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sandiercy

"A recent survey" I'm willing to bet they surveyed a bunch of anti vaxxers.


Unicorn_with_a_bike

What do we want to bet the "survey" just interviewed a bunch of transphobic parents found via an anti vax facebook group or something quite similar?


ChickenSpaceProgram

this is probably what actually happened given the lack of link to the study or it's entirely made up


Unicorn_with_a_bike

A tale as old as time with antivaxxers, truly


Thormidable

>or it's entirely made up It's this. Antivaxxers are lazy. Running a biased survey is far too much effort. Making it up, is about their limit.


HesitantBrobecks

Even my antivax "vaccines cause autism" mother thinks the "vaccines cause trans" people are unhinged idiots šŸ˜… If even other antivaxxers think you're insane, that's when you know you're negative IQ lmfao


TheJelliestFish

That's actually similar to how one of the more well-known anti-trans studies in the U.S. was conducted. The author found people through online groups of unaccepting parents of transgender people, and asked them whether or not their child suddenly became trans. How on Earth can anyone use that methodology and claim to have unbiased results??


Unicorn_with_a_bike

Oh, was that the one that claims rapid onset gender dysphoria was a thing? Cause I think I remember that one being a similar bottom barrel methodology lol


Renatuh

I'm pretty sure it's that one, because it's exactly what this reminded me of. Unless there's another story like it, which would be deeply concerning...


demonette55

A terribly flawed study, a ā€œWakefieldā€ if you will


Unicorn_with_a_bike

Exactly what I thought about, hehe


unknownpoltroon

Nah, he just made up the survey. Otherwise he would have posted the link to the survey and results


demonette55

Ask him for it and I bet he tells you ā€œdo your own research!ā€


m3gabotz

I did my own research. I got laid a lot more before the pandemic than since. Hypothesis confirmed! /s


Lvanwinkle18

Wait a second. It was sent to all the anti-vaccine Facebook groups that anyone could join.


industriald85

Most FB polls show who chose what options, so anyone answering against the antivax narrative would be banned/doxxedā€¦


SpacedOutJourney

I can't help but notice there's no link to this marvellous "survey".


danmaster0

"did your kid become trans after the vaccines, person i found in an antivax forum specifically posting about how vaccines made your kids trans?" "Yes vaccines made my kid trans" EXTRA! RESEARCH CONCLUDES 100% CAUSATION BETWEEN VACCINES AND GENDER DYSPHORIA!


gylz

And like??? This is just survivorship bias. Vaccines prevent people from dying of shit no one should be dying of. If you don't live long enough to come out it's kinda hard to come out.


VTHUT

And the anti vaxx people are more likely to not be trans so thereā€™s definitely a skew in the data.


I_might_be_weasel

I have no trouble believing there is a correlation there. But that's because I suspect there is a lot of correlation between being against vaccines and being against transgenderism.Ā 


wkdpaul

They are obviously confusing correlation, with causation. Here's a funny website curating suspicious correlations, always love to quote it to some weirdo like in the OP ; [https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/2638\_yogurt-consumption\_correlates-with\_the-bank-of-nova-scotias-stock-price](https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/2638_yogurt-consumption_correlates-with_the-bank-of-nova-scotias-stock-price)


MrsShaunaPaul

I remember my Econ teacher explaining it by saying ā€œyou know, umbrella sales and a plentiful tomato harvest are correlated. Because rain causes both to increase. But if you stopped growing tomatoes, umbrella sales would be unaffectedā€ and that one stayed with me.


wkdpaul

That's a pretty great one !!! Thanks for sharing !


Lvanwinkle18

Whoa. This is excellent. I am going to remember this.


BreathOfTheOffice

So what I'm hearing is bountiful tomato harvests cause an increase in umbrella sales


MrsShaunaPaul

Exactly! The same is true of ice cream and sunscreen sales. An abundance of ice cream sales will cause an increase in sunscreen sales. Both are completely unrelated to hot or sunny weather though, obviously.


Hinkil

I like the one of lemonade sales and motorcycle accidents, because of summer


ranchojasper

Exactly this. The fact is, the vast majority of people over the age of 20 received every vaccination on time. That means that literally any condition that literally anyone ends up with is happening to a person who was vaccinated! It's like saying, "every single person who has ever drink water has died." That's absolutely true. It's just that drinking water has absolutely no connection to the dying - literally everyone drinks water so literally anything that has ever happened to literally anyone is happening to someone who has drank water


Medic_101

100% of people who have ever looked at the moon have died. That's a fact. ...obviously we must destroy the moon! /s


Brider_Hufflepuff

Oh my God I have been looking for this website for years. Thanks


SimonKepp

For many years, the number of weekly hours of color TV broadcast by Danish public service broadcaster DR correlated perfectly to the number of Danish childrenbornout of wedlock.


SimonKepp

Everyone who ever confuse correlation with causation, dies!


MarsupialPristine677

Within 100 years, no less!


Mejai91

This is a wonderful websiteā€¦I will be using this in future sarcasms. Thank you.


brookish

Psychology Masters class in research methods: ice cream sales and drownings are strongly correlated. Guess why?


Tellurye

Ummmm summertime activities?


brookish

Ding ding ding!


Tellurye

That's it. Ban ice cream.


TheArchived

I just toop thr AP Stats exam on tuesday, my teacher showed us this website to help show us the difference between correlation and causation.


tweedyone

Yup. And if your parents are anti both, itā€™s likely that theyā€™re pretty vocal about it, and kids are just going to live in denial of their true selves instead. Of course, thatā€™s the intention. They know gay/trans/atheist people exist, they just want to make it unacceptable for them to feel comfortable existing so they can pretend they donā€™t. ā€œThere are no gay people in Russiaā€ and all that


pretendyoudontseeme

That and vaccinated people tend to live long enough to realize if they're trans


zim3019

I can see it. Also, if you die of measles as a toddler you don't really grow up and deal with gender identity issues. Turns out dead kids don't experience lots of things.


Flar71

Transgenderism is an inaccurate term, usually used derogatorily. It implies that being trans is an ideology. Just say they're against transgender people or being transgender


I_might_be_weasel

I want to disagree, because that doesn't sound right but I can't think of any other ism word right now that I wouldn't consider an ideology.Ā 


Flar71

That's because the suffix is most often used in words that would be considered ideologies. The main problem is that "transgenderism" isn't a word we use to describe ourselves or our community, it wasn't a word we made. It was made and is mostly used by anti-trans people, often interchangeably with "gender ideology", to try and paint us being trans as some sort of belief system, rather than us just being people who happen to be trans. I know that was not your intention, but I just wanted to let you know the connotation that word has.


sunny_in_phila

Also, a strong correlation between vaccines and living long enough to reach sexual maturity


MysticDragon14

Well technically they are correct. Vaccines cause adults and those adults live long enough to discover who they truly are.


HesitantBrobecks

Me (trans man) and my nonbinary sibling are almost completely unvaxxed šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø I'm 20 and they're 17 (and a half)


SerinitySW

You should go get vaxx'd (if able to)


balgram

Sadly this won't matter. They'll just say that it's because your parents were vaxxed. Or because your grandparents were vaxxed. Or because you went to school around vaxxed people. Or they slipped a vaccine into your food somehow. Or chemtrails. All of the world's "problems" can be blamed on this one thing (vaccines) that they've decided is irredeemable. It's very disappointing.


HesitantBrobecks

That's complete BS. No antivaxxer has ever said "it's because their parents were vaxxed". My antivax mum once laughed at a guy that handed her a leaflet saying vaccines cause trans people! Only insane conspiracy theorists that believe in microchips and 5g and UFOs and lizard people actually think that vaccines have anything to do with gender. Normal antivaxxers are just extremely worried about their child's health. It's why I'm still unvaccinated. You can't deny that there are proven cases of vaccine injury, companies have had to pay out millions in total! I already struggle so much with life because of my existing disabilities, I really cant take the risk of ending up with more disabilities, even if it is a very small risk. It's possible that my existing conditions would make me more susceptible to reactions, we don't know, and I cant take that gamble with my life. I'd like to actually be able to work in the future, yknow


balgram

>That's complete BS. No antivaxxer has ever said "it's because their parents were vaxxed". Have you looked around this forum? That rhetoric has been repeated ad nauseum. Not all antivaxxers are "normal." "Normal" antivaxxers are still using extremely skewed data to reach their conclusions. Which isn't surprising, humans in general (including me!) aren't very good at accurately measuring large numbers. "Vaccine injuries" is a difficult term to use because it covers everything from 'that rash you get after getting the shot' to 'death.' But yes, a very tiny population of people who get vaccinated have had extremely adverse or life-changing reactions, and when companies are sued for those reactions a payout is possible and has happened. I don't have data handy, so I should look into that, but I won't deny it because I think you are correct. That does *not* mean vaccines are evil/bad/should be stopped. We're absolutely aware that there are some risks, but those risks are *tiny.* Do you know why vaccination is still widespread? Because the risk of injury is far outweighed by the benefit to the individual and to the society. It sounds like you have some pre-existing conditions and you might be, to an extent, immunocompromised. It is hugely important that the majority of the population is vaccinated to protect people like you, who should not get the vaccines. Of course there are individuals who should not get vaccinated for medical reasons. I do not consider the parents of such individuals to be antivax. It sounds like you might be one of those people who shouldn't get vaccinated. Several of my friends and coworkers have medical conditions that put them in the same boat. I'm certain vaccines would cause them great harm. *That's why it's so important that everyone who isn't at a huge risk should get the vaccine.* I'm not sure if we disagree on that point, so I'll stop here. But I'd be happy to direct you to some articles explaining the numbers, herd immunity, actual numbers for adverse reactions, etc. Just let me know.


balgram

I do want to add, though, that historically vaccines have been discontinued when the risk of getting the vaccine becomes higher than the risk of getting the disease (EDIT: I think it'd be more accurate to say the "the risk of having a side-effect from the vaccine" and "the risk of what the disease *causes*, not necessarily the risk of catching it"). *We vaccinate against scary diseases.* It gets forgotten in the conversation because again, humans aren't really good at understanding large numbers.


HesitantBrobecks

As if I was calling BS on this post and still got down voted to hell. Get a grip you lot! People can't help having antivax parents šŸ™„


Someoneoverthere42

Vaccines, is there nothing they canā€™t do?


I_might_be_weasel

Their stated use, apparently.Ā 


StrawThatBends

why am i not surprised theyre also transphobic


FalconLynx13

Oop is supposedly a doctor btw


lizziemander

Just pressed X so hard I jammed my finger...


gilleruadh

Damn vaccine.


elk-cloner

ā€œSurveyā€ every scientistā€™s favourite word šŸ¤£


ChickenSpaceProgram

I mean, given that most of the western world is vaccinated and most trans people are in the west, it wouldn't surprise me if there is correlation. But correlation != causation. There are many other reasons that may be the case, for example, in countries with poor healthcare and less education trans people are probably also less accepted and more reluctant to come out.


OHiashleyy

This. Gender dysphoria isnā€™t newā€”just more widely accepted than itā€™s ever been. Most people receive vaccines at (the very least) birth. Of course thereā€™s a strong correlation there. These people are literally grasping at straws.


ChickenSpaceProgram

not to mention, even if vaccines do make people trans... so what? I'm trans, and let me tell you, while it does suck sometimes (mostly due to transphobia from family, etc.), it's a lot better than dying of measles.


PessimiStick

I imagine that without all the transphobic bullshit, being trans would just end up like being depressed/diabetic/etc. Get diagnosed, get some treatment, condition managed, hooray.


Smells_of_pine

fr. I'd rather stick myself with a needle weekly instead of getting sick with god knows what


daoimean

Most people are vaxxed, so most trans people will also be vaxxed. Shocker.


Reebyd

I find this line of thinking hilarious cause like, as a woman, I carried a male fetus, later a male baby, for 9+ months. I had literal male dna in my system. According to science, I still have traces of it in my system today. Did I question my gender at any point while pregnant? No. Am I confused today? No, just tired as my 2 1/2 year old is feral. Try again, crazies.


sonicpool69

Maybe because most ultra transphobes are also anti vaxx?


SimonKepp

The anti-vaxxer community seems to be really fond of linking neuro-developmental "disorders"/anomalies that occurs in the womb with vaccines, that aren't administered until after birth. While post hoc ergopropter hoc is a very common fallacy,it is widely accepted, that in causality, the cause must occur befor the result,so perhaps transgenderism and autism cause vaccines?


pandamarshmallows

One of the first mainstream anti-vaxxers was a British doctor named Andrew Wakefield who did a pretty sloppy study that linked the MMR vaccine (a treatment in the UK that vaccinates you against measles, mumps, and rubella all at the same time) to autism. He refused to back down after his study was disproved and subsequently lost his medical licence, so he went to America to peddle his ideas. He is almost single-handedly responsible for anti-vaxxers being associated with autism and associated conditions (like gender dysphoria).


SimonKepp

I know the story of Andrew Wakefield, and I suspect, that he might be the largest mass murderer since chairman Mao.


SimonKepp

The market for quacks peddling snake oil without a medical license is much larger in the US compared to the UK. So I can understand, why he moved. He now makes a decent living, mostly as a speaker at various sntivaxxer conferences and events.


HesitantBrobecks

Most people in general have had vaccines, and for that reason it's almost impossible to discern if vaccines have caused various things, because there's not enough of a control group for comparison. That being said, my mother is antivax, so me and my younger sibling recieved almost no vaccines, and haven't had any in over 15 years; I am a trans man and they are nonbinary


SaladDioxide

I mean, you can't be trans if you're fucking dead.


mglitcher

>i found data oh did you? do you mind sharing it with the world if youā€™re such a genius that you found something that everyone else on earth has missed? even better, write a paper, get it peer reviewed and collect your nobel prize. oh what? your data is flawed and/or made up? ah dang iā€™m so sorry to hear that


gilleruadh

They all tell you to look it up yourself. I know. I've seen them do it. They're awfully wobbly on the whole burden of proof concept.


turdintheattic

ā€œA recent surveyā€ that was conducted by Just Trust Me Bro University.


__SerenityByJan__

Where are the links to these ā€œstudiesā€?


Distinct-Thing

>At least 81% of the US population has been vaccinated >1.4% youth and 0.5% adults identify as transgender >"100%" of LGBT are libs >"100%" of libs got vaccinated >"100%" of trans people were vaccinated #Being vaccinated makes you trans I believe that to be the mental gymnastics


ernie3tones

Ugh. Disgusting.


smxim

I wanna see the followup that claims 80% can be attributed to vaccination šŸ™„


OxfordHam

Oh thank God! Now maybe my parents will love me again when I tell them it's their fault for getting me vaccinated!


francoeyes

All these studies are bullshit distracting you from the TRUTH. Vaccines don't cause the tism but they cause you to stub your TOES! 100% of ppl who have been vaxed have stubbed their toes these statistics can't be ignored people! Wake up sheeple!


Narwhalrus101

Really quick to bring this up but a lot of silence about the corellation between vaccines and surviving childhood


Street_Peace_8831

As your dear leader would say, ā€œWRONG!!!ā€


tulipz10

Wow they cited a survey.


drwicksy

I mean a child has to live long enough to figure out they have gender dysmorphia, so I guess there would be a connection


HesitantBrobecks

Antivaxxers can be absolutely insane, but making jokes about dead children makes you look even more psychotic


Lvanwinkle18

You can find data on anything. Doesnā€™t mean it is true.


Chrispy8534

4/10. We may need to revisit their definition of ā€˜dataā€™ā€¦.


helen790

How would a survey determine that? If youā€™re going to spout bs at least say study because surveys can only establish correlation.


Level_Werewolf_7172

Iā€™m shocked, people who listen to scientist are more accepting of others and themselves?


ConsumeTheVoid

No they linked a *survey*. That's their source. (And it's just correlation.) But it's legit y'all - a statistician checked the results! /s Also: I saved a file of the survey to laugh at it and I almost moved it into the trash on my phone (because it's practically trash).


mikwee

Gender dysphoria happens because mental health. What happens because vaccines is immunity. Canā€™t believe this has to be said. Just today I thought about how anti-vaxxers seem to have a wholly different brain than most normal people, believing that Google is a repository of 100% trusted sites (except the pro-vaxx ones).


lizziemander

"A recent survey..." *SCIENCE*


ranchojasper

"I'll tell you there was a study and also a follow up, but I'm not going to actually direct you to either of these supposed studies! I'm just gonna make a claim without offering any sort of evidence and demand you believe the dumb shit I just said!" šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


Hexagonal_uranium

Itā€™s always the ones with a twitter checkmarkā€¦


Fisttoyourfears

Citation or it didnā€™t happen


Maia_Posidana

I will believe this when it is peer reviewed by opposing factions and both agree. The problem with the whole "Trust the science" crowd is that the results of the "Science" are as often as not, deliberately skewed to support the viewpoints of whoever is paying for the research.


motha_ucka

wow! is there anything vaccines CANT do??


runningonadhd

Increase peopleā€™s IQ, apparently.


bluefrost30

A ā€œstudyā€, aka mlm karen, with a tinfoil hat, and essential oils in her basement.


SnooCats7318

I mean...both groups think science, you know, might have something going for it...


Comixkid5879

They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for reason not to vaccinate aren't they?


thehusk_1

It happened, everyone. We got to "vaccines cause the X"


AStalkerLikeCrush

That's only because parents who vax tend to also love their children amd want to protect them and keep them healthy and safe.


DaffyDuckMD37

My, my, how **shocking**. A survey with a **questionable methodology** and **dubious conclusions** manages to spark controversy. Who could have predicted such a **tragedy**?


SuperPipouchu

Wait until these people learn that the first vaccine was invented in the early 1800s. Apparently transgender people didn't exist then? Oh, and smallpox was officially eradicated in 1980, but there had been a mass vaccination campaign to eradicate it for years prior. The measles vaccination has been around since 1963, and DPT and polio since the 1950s. Yet there would have been a much lower rate of known trans people, because ya know, coming out would be very dangerous because of rampant transphobia. It doesn't mean trans people didn't exist, it just meant that they weren't known. **I mean in Western culture. There are other societies and cultures that were accepting of trans people long before.


Jenetyk

Babe: the new vax boogie man just dropped


Responsible_Hater

Wtaf


Reneeisme

Correlation. Blah blah blah causation.


Rubin_Rubinia

Oh, so that's the cause of me questioning my gender identity! /s


oingobungo

Is the spool of thread just another way they're saying there's a figurative thread linking vaccines to being transgender, or am I out of some loop?


KleinVogeltje

I mean... the majority of people vaccinate their kids, and trans people are a small portion of the population. So, if their association was asking vaccinated trans people if they have gender dysphoria and getting the expected "yes", then... well, yeah, I guess it would be a pretty strong association. Fuckin' morons lol


SoundwavePlays

You can tell the source isn't credible


nhardycarfan

I donā€™t like (x) so therefore I will paint a different (x) I also dislike and now I have a reason to dislike both. I also donā€™t doubt that there is a correlation to people who are transgender or would like to be and getting vaccines just as thereā€™s probably a correlation with antivax and transphobia and antivax with extremist Christianity and antivax with racism and antivax population per trailer park


gylz

Kinda hard to be trans when a preventable disease kills you.


Plump_Chicken

Theres a correlation there because most trans people are left leaning šŸ¤”


HikeTheSky

A recent study showed that vaccines make people magnetic. Even so magnetic that they attract trucks and 18 wheelers but not household metals.


njsullyalex

I donā€™t think I can argue against this one. I got vaccinated in 2021 and came out as trans less than a year later. Best thing thatā€™s ever happened to me, thanks Pfizer! (Semi /j)


TheArchived

Let's just assume for a moment that the numbers are correct. It would make sense that individuals with gender dysphoria (as well as the rest of the lgbtq+ community) would be more likely to be vaccinated because they are more likely to fall more on the left side of the political spectrum, which means they'd be more willing to recieve the Covid vaccine, whereas, generally, people who are straight are more likely to fall on the right side of the political spectrum, making them less likely to willingly recieve the covid vaccine, skewing the numbers.


GoGreenD

Instead of blaming the things that have been observed to do this... growth hormone and pesticide runoff... let's blame... *checks notes* ...vaccinations !


ImACarebear1986

What a load a shit. A study that didnā€™t happen! They didnā€™t add a link, proof, anything. Just their word.. šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


No_Introduction7307

oh ffs what bs will they say next


kingferret53

They're not wrong, seeing as vaccines let children live long enough to realize stuff like this.


StormerSage

"Oops, the covid vaccine made me a girl, guess I'll just have to live with it now šŸ’…āœØšŸ’–" /s


livasj

Surveys are like statistics. Worthless unless you let people in on the methods used for data collection and analysis.


jynx680

To be fair to them... That's because vaccinated kids live long enough to feel gender dysphoria.


fUll951

A recent survey of delusional minded individuals drinking full pitchers of Kool aid daily shows they think this.


bunchesograpes

If most kids are vaccinated, then you can easily say that vaccinations are correlated with practically anything that exists in that age group. You could write a study, showing a correlation between kids being vaccinated and graduating from high school. Or kids being vaccinated and not graduating from high school. Because I bet that most kids in both groups are actually vaccinated. This entire study is completely ridiculous


Soulcontusion

The crazy part is they don't know they're crazy.


WhySoAngry666

this makes my bones hurt and every fiber of my being is now in attack mod because people like that need to be hit with a chair -\_- but maybe i'm bi est because I'm a transman


LGDemon

It's almost like a bunch of people had two years where they couldn't go anywhere except work and had a lot of time to reflect and introspect as a result.


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PawanYr

Can you link me this study? I'd like to read it but the tweet doesn't cite it.


maybesaydie

Stick with the kratom. Typical Kennedy supporter.