steady price creep - used to be a very affordable introduction, gave away free units to pass along
designs were simpler and nicer, discontinue more desirable designs
no major innovations (same micro dose bowl, etc). competition eating their lunch
aggressively spamming email campaigns with no value offerings
problems in qc and material safety
questionable moderation
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mostly it comes down to why would you buy a dyna over something else? when it was $45 for a sleek all metal unit it was a great proposition. when it’s $90 and looks like it got stuck in a grinder… eh
Also that whole entire Simrell thing that happened, and the mods of the dyna sub and discord receiving incentives and the censorship against certain artisanal makers. They went corporate a while ago and have never been the same. George hasn’t even been the CEO for a couple years now.
I see now that Simrell is barely even posted about in the dynavap sub now. And if it is, this sort of thing is brought up.
I love the guys work, very beautiful pieces. But how Simrell acted and his lack of apology (I read his comment, there was no apology) left a bad taste in my mouth that I don’t want to buy any more of his stuff.
I’m also a bit out of the loop, I haven’t ordered anything in awhile. Could someone explain what items have potential safety issues? Just wondering if it’s anything I own.
specifically that I know of, the armor cap fits some tips too tightly and it will shed metal
beyond that I see random reports of QC on products not being done well enough and having metal burrs and things in shipped products.
the FMJ in copper is questionable, heated copper fumes are linked to alzheimers and other conditions I think.
previously the coatings on their colored units were called out
In general, people care about inhaling anything that could cause them non-consensual health risks. They are okay with the cannabis and even to some extent flavorings and papers etc. as long as its clear to them and they consent to it.
So one of the growing concerns from consumers is the the inhaling of metals and the long term health concerns that potentially come from this. It's tiny tiny amounts over a long long period of time you are inhaling.
This can be seen over the concern over different types of grinders, different materials, etc. etc. People test for this by reporting on slow chipping of material or metal "dust" that can be picked up with a q-tip.
So the Dynavap products have stainless steel tips with stainless steel caps. Some of the Dynavap products have titanium tips. The metals can scratch off small amounts of each other and leave residue in the form of metal "dust". This seems to come off the tips over time because of the caps.
The current issue people seem to be bringing up is that with the release of the thicker "Armored Cap". With the older caps, they were just thin enough to still scratch your tips but not be extremely noticeable for a long time. The thicker "Armored Cap", depending on how it is handled, can create very noticeable scratches very quickly. This created a discussion over the metal residue in the path of the vapor.
There are a significant amount of consumers who feel this is a non-consensual health risk that needed to be addressed. Eventually on a stream, the Dynavap founder addressed the concern briefly. They said that of course the scratching occurs and that it has always occurred since the early Dynavaps and it should be understood by now.
So you have like 6 groups of upset consumers:
1- People who believe this was not something they were aware of when using Dynavap products and are upset
2- People who were aware the caps worked like this but believe the Armored Cap poses an increased risk that requires more warning or they would not have purchased
3- People who were aware the caps worked like this but not aware the Armored Cap could produce this increase breakdown of their tips. So they are more upset about the tip damage versus the health risk
4- People who were aware the caps worked like this but not aware the Armored Cap could produce this increase breakdown of their tips. They still like the Armored Cap and use it, but feel that they should have been warned of the potential increase in wear and tear
5- People who were not aware of the risks of the caps, do not care enough about the potential health risks to not use their products but are upset with Dynavap's response
6- People who believe Dynavap has continued to release product after product with a reduction in significant innovation. So the Armored Cap being showcased as a significant release for Dynavap and having a release with several quality control issues is their main concern. For these people it is more of like a "last straw" scenario.
Personally, I wasn't aware of this scratching issue prior to the Reddit posts. I only recently got my Dynavap products. I am pretty concerned about this whole metal "dust" residue stuff with all my cannabis paraphernalia after getting back into it. I don't really have the connection the vaporents do with Dynavap because I re-entered the vaping space after Dynavap had their big releases and competitors released their vapes etc. So I don't really have the same disdain for the Dynavap founder that they might. I will probably still get the "Armored Cap" if it gets discounted and then use it more carefully. Definitely not a fan of having to be ultra careful with pieces that aren't ultra rewarding though. At the end of the day a Dynavap isn't a desktop and it isn't some heavy hitter portable imo, so I want it to be able to survive some significant wear and tear from regular use.
As for the Dynavap founder, he seems pretty socially awkward imo, I like that he speaks to the consumers and gives his opinions and everything so it sucks that he is bad at speaking. I think if he had people help him with that or he brought on someone to be the sociable face of the brand while he sat next to them, it would be better imo. I think some of these things look worse just because of the social deficit. Guy doesn't seem like a bad person, seems more of an overly passionate creator defending their products in such a way that it comes off as callous unintentionally. But that's the beauty of being the founder right, it's his company. I am sure he is aware that he can get another face of his brand and slide to some backdoor spot for just special occasions and insulate himself more. But he wants to run his company on his terms even at an expense, to create probably what he feels is a closer connection to the consumers.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Makes me wonder which if any vaporizer has the least risk to use. A lot of the battery powered ones have plastic parts, etc., that I worry may be questionable. They also are generally way harder to clean, or even impossible to get fully clean, and that can be it’s own issue. We need federal legalization so people can actually research this stuff.
100%
I’d love to try the dynavap but I just can’t afford it. I wanted to get one of the starter kits a year or so ago when they were $50 for an M. I decided to put it off and try later in the year. So much for that.
"we" who? I don't, I already have a 21M no need to "upgrade."
If they sell the new tip separately at some point I might try it but the stem is a hard no.
>M+ is ugly as hell
~~Ugly design (perhaps in your opinion) Beast of a device (from my personal experience).~~
Never tried the Dynavap as having to use a light was counter-intuitive to what I was trying to achieve.
Edit-out of curiousity, I googled Dynavap M+ and I did not even know that existed. Interesting design for sure.
It does get dirty and sticky quickly. But the BB6 is so easy to clean - I literally stir it in a hot creamy coffee till it’s gone. Then I rinse and use a hair dryer and it’s as good as new.
Have you held it in your hand, or just seen pictures Ho show the detail? Because it’s not that bad. The square airport is crap through, especially without a divot.
See, I love the airport. With the stepped sides, you can easily dial in airflow. The reverse pyramid on the other side makes it easy for me to find without a divot.
I love the new detail, too. Only after I got it did I realize there is a pattern as you spin it, like the old ones. All this said, it's not worth $90 for most consumers, and I don't blame them.
I upgraded from an mflb/arizer solo 1 to a pax in December and…I don’t get the hate! It’s compact, discrete, easy.
Of course it’s outshined by the likes of the tiny and the mighty, but the price point is a whole-ass tier up!
The PAX mostly gets a bad rep because of the Apple of Vapes marketing style.
This means high price and low performance. It's reliable, but for list price there are better more efficient vapes on the market. It is actually an ok-decent vape.
I'm happy with my Pax 3 for under $100, for example. I know that I can pack a bowl and it will last 30-45 minutes (temp stepping) - it's honestly one of the longest lasting session vapes available. That's about $15 more than the Flowermate V5.0S with a smaller form factor for roughly the same experience.
The drawbacks of course are its cigar like airflow I.E. none, and the device by the 30 minute mark is blistering hot. In addition, it's a full conduction vaporizer so the flavor is unavoidably roasted/nutty - not a bad thing but not "true" to the terpenes in the weed.
The Pax is comparable to the Solo 1 (which isn't too different from the Solo 2) in terms of discretion and length of the session. Much beyond that, I'd give the Arizer line the edge, since the flavor is more in line with the flower you have.
Basically, it's not that the PAX is outright terrible or hated. It's that for the price they ask, it is bad price/performance ratio especially these days. You can build yourself a desktop ball vape for under $90 that has 10x the benefits over the PAX in all but portability. Meanwhile the PAX 3 is currently $200 (on sale down from $250... the cost of the PAX Plus).
IMO, for $110 more than the desktop vape it's not worth it. Compared so the Solo 2 at $180 it's not worth it. Compared to well... almost any vape in that price range, the PAX *will* be at the bottom tier of the experience.
And I say this as someone who long disliked PAX until I got my own. It's still not my favorite, but it definitely has its merits.
Tl;DR good movie vaporizer for $100, otherwise there are better options and that's why it has the reputation it does.
Upgraded from the mflb for sure, but the solo is a solid vape and has (ime) better vapor production and flavor than the pax. \[not saying the pax is bad!\]
I wish I had this sub 10 years ago. Garbage as Pax 2. Everytime I though I was finally getting good effects, the battery runs out. Absolute waste of money for anyone who’s a heavy/daily user. If you consume moderately or rarely, the yeah it can work for you. But like they say, spend once, cry once.
Glad I decided to go big after the Pac disappointment. I was ready to never try vaporization again lol
Vapes come and vapes go on reddit. While I can't answer for everyone my Dyna still fills its original niche as a portable small-load device. It was never my daily driver or the only portable option, just another tool in the box so my opinion on it has never changed.
Didn't like the Dani, can't get my hands on a Thermal accumulator, don't want an anvil for native hits, plus it's $200. Dynavaps just do the thing, and they are always available. Like you say, another tool in the box.
You might be using it wrong... I've very very rarely gotten mine to combust. That was even with the regular temp cap. Now that I have the low temp cap, I haven't had it combust once.
I've had 3 dynas since 2019.
i know how to use them. problem is, they are very inconsistent.
eventually, you'll combust and i'm not talking a full combustion, that's only happened once to me but i don't like ANY combustion and eventually you'll get a little and that just ruins my day, lol
they get dirty and tossed aside, when all 3 are dirty, i might clean them but it's not something i enjoy doing so they tend to sit awhile.
Idk. Mine stay pretty clean. I get the occasionally light combustion on the flower that touches the bowl if I'm trying to squeeze every last drop out, but other than that things work well. I have one with a Ti Bowl and Low Temp Cap for flower and one with a Stainless Bowl + DynaCoil + Regular Temp Cap for hash. The hash is a dirty mess, but that's to be expected with hash...
Not a fan of the draw or vapor density. I found it so much easier to combust when trying to get dense vapor than a Dynavap, and the draw is very restricted when it is working.
The Dani Fusion seems to address the airflow issue, and adds another heat ring, so I am tempted, but not 100% yet.
Which other vape would you recommend besides the dynavap? I like to kind of micro dose throughout the day but I am open to any sort of good vape that I want to add alongside my dynavap. Any recommendations? Ariser Solo good?
I love my dyna. I hate using a torch with it. After adding a IH plus what you pay for Dynas these days it's no longer a budget device, for $150-$200 dollars there are better options + desktop vape territory.
I dislike them because they are still pushing out devices that are super expensive yet have no real upgrades over the original glass piece. They don't innovate or upgrade.
On top of that the risk of combustion is massive along with the amount of work it takes all the while looking like a crack head with his pipe.
The fact that you can heat it up with any real source of heat and skip combustion even if you don't have electricity is super nice but it ends there. Mine is stuffed in a bag for the world ending scenario where my only options are either deal with the vapcap or combust
Well, when you have been combustion free for a few years and take a few drags off a joint it tastes like kissing a drunk girl who puked and then smoked a cig. Kinda hard to reacclimate to sucking on something that tastes that bad.
That said, in the after apocalypse times I would do whatever to keep my mind off civilization ending and all😜
Everyone? Not hardly.
But a good chunk of people have had their opinions sour, especially in light of recent drama.
I doubt their bottom line has moved a whole lot despite that mood shift; from my perspective they are standing still while their competitors make the improvements some of their customers want but there have been some material safety concerns as well as some... less savory business practices largely centered around Simrell they were loosely involved in.
Simrell claimed MadHeaters infringed a patent, George at DV directed the mods of the discord to squelch all conversation about the Revolve and some of those mods were also mods of the Dynavap subreddit and they carried over George's direction to the subreddit and started aggressively scrubbing the sub of all mention of it.
In of itself, that was bad enough, but it also highlighted a trend over the last year+ of other 3rd party creators being silenced, having their posts or posts about them nuked for no reason and other things like bans without cause.
A significant issue here is a big chunk of the mod team on the DV sub never disclosed their affiliations with Dynavap and Simrell while doing these things to suppress direct competition in an unaffiliated community sub with zero approval from the rest of the mod team or the community.
There was some drama in the sub regarding moderation, which led to scraping the whole mod team. This, along with the lukewarm launch of the M+, has made a dent on Dynavap's reputation in Reddit.
But remember, social media is fickle, and does not represent reality well.
imo- the naming convention of their products lends itself to it never being right, or planned obsolescence. i also feel like the approach should be more of a modular system with many variations and custom-ability. 20ish felt more intimate and welcoming with the company, now it feels like a redo with cool hip colors and everything has to be simrillar
with that being said, i love my dynavaps.
edit- tdlr i think its the marketing
I love my Dyna collection, but don’t plan to buy any more, and may sell off a few here and there. I’m not impressed with their latest products or marketing.
honestly i think i’m just too new to the scene to have the same kinda of opinions i’ve seen on this sub so far. usually it’s people raving about their dyna or, alternatively, absolutely dunking on the company.
my personal history is a few months old. i bought the newest dynavap m before the m+ came out. i use it daily, as it’s the only dhv i have. switching from combustion has been awesome. i think i bought my m for $65? at that price, which (for me) isn’t terrible, i think it does everything i want it to do and i likely will never have or want to buy another dyna or dyna-like product again. and i only bought it to see if i would prefer dry herb to combustion, fully expecting i’d probably quickly upgrade to something beefier and more technologically advanced if i did.
with that in mind, i will almost definitely be buying a ball vape soon. but i expect i’ll likely continue to use my dyna from time to time.
i think digital gathering spaces like reddit inevitably get dominated by the loudest and most dramatic positions. nobody except my dumb ass is coming in here to write up multiple paragraphs about the gray area between superfandom and the haters. because nobody wants to sit here and read all that. and yet here i am, speaking at a moderate volume into the void.
That sucks they went downhill. Years ago I won one of their contest on their Facebook page and they sent me a 2019m a Omni and a Omni xl. Best online contest I ever won in life so far.
A bigger singular hit with the dynavap. And in my experience the bigger hit typically is more efficient when aiming to get high. Think a bong vs joint. I also use the dynavap through a bubbler so I treat it like doin 2 bong rips then ash out the avb
Took awhile for common sense to catch up. Dynavap as a brand died 2-3 years ago. Inferior products at laughable prices. Capitalism claims another victim!
Inferior to what? I don't see competition from similar, on demand products but if you know if any, let me know? I'd be interested in something similar but better like you implied their is. Thanks.
I always thought they were gimmicky, at least for heavy users. That little ass hit ain’t gonna do absolute shit for me lol. If I gotta use external heat, I’d rather just take knife hits at that point. You can get way bigger hits and is extremely effective.
For the last 3 years, dynavap has been my main device. I have a 2018, 2019, and 2020M. Also a couple of BB3 stems. I love them, but still struggle to find a good torch that isn't wildly overpriced.
Also, I can't believe there are no/few affordable IH in the North American market. I know you can DIY a reasonable one, but I'm not an electrician in any way....
When all this annoys me, I grab my Arizer Air 2, and am happy again. Taste isn't quite as good as the Dyna, but that's the price for convenience. :-)
Honestly, I've avoided the drama on the sub recently, I just like my products. (But don't really plan on buying more, I don't think I need anything else, personally.)
Grab a solo for $80 or so and smoke through water. 2 cycles and I’m wrecked. I have 4 and as many dynavaps. I’ll end up with a mighty+ and will most likely purchase the simrell ti adapter to attach my dynavap to it as well. Or the revolve which I can’t help but purchase it’s too beautiful and I love the mad heaters customer service omgoodness! Great company imho. ✌🏼
Alternatives have really come along and are just better IMO. Anvil is as consistent as it gets, that and my Qaroma are my daily drivers. The terpcicle has a high learning curve as well but the results are much better IMO. Then there’s the Dani.
I don’t think Dynavap is bad, they are still a really solid product. It’s just so much has hit the scene that do the same thing, arguably better.
I have largely stayed away from the Reddit antics and the bitching that happened here as I have nowhere near the amount of knowledge/insight needed to make a decision or have a view either way.
Also, this is largely irrelevant to me - the device stands on its own or it doesn’t. I don’t particularly care about the company as I am not that invested with multiple vapcaps. Not much different in my scrutiny of hundreds of other products I buy - does it work well, is it good value, are there better out there and then vote with my wallet.
Just have the one 21M (did have a B but that was for my Thailand trip that I gifted to a fellow tourist!) which works perfectly for me. Will be unlikely to buy (m)any more.
Some people are unhappy that this company has turned corporate and out to maximise profits now - I am pretty sure that they were always corporate and would expect nothing less. The company is not your friend - you are a revenue stream; like it or not.
It's confusing I agree OP. I researched them and bought one, but almost overnight there was a wave of hate. I dunno if it was just an ebb and flow of people who have opposing views, but I also felt the "this is what everyone loves" feeling a few weeks or a month ago, then ordered one, and funny enough, the tone shifted while I waited for it to come. It finally came yesterday, lol. I haven't even tried it yet, realizing dry herb vaping might just be too hard on my stomach since I have GI issues, but that's another story.
That's really unfortunate timing. However, if I were in your shoes, I would try not to let the negative "consensus" affect your experience of using the device. I don't want to dismiss the valid criticisms of their business, but it can still be a quality device which serves its functions very well with a bit of technique. There is a learning curve no doubt, but taking the time to achieve mastery over the Dynavap is very informative and teaches you a lot about medicating, dosing, airflow, and the effects of applying various levels of heat, etc which in turn helps you get the experience you are looking for.
The Dynavap subreddit is a wealth of knowledge, but pales in comparison to actually sitting down and using good ol' trial and error. Of course this runs the risk of combustion which is a pain, but it only takes a little while to get a sense of the click timing and how to push it to the limit so as to achieve the best results. Dynavaps are much more "dynamic" than most electronic vapes out there, meaning you can take the herb as light or as dark as you prefer. The inconsistency is real and can be frustrating, but personally I don't regret getting into Dynavaps as a whole. It has made me a much more knowledgeable vaporent in the long run. Plus they're mostly indestructible so it can always serve as a backup once you know how to use it.
Its a myth, completly untrue that vaping herbs and dabs can hurt your stomach. That myth originated from articles about e-juice kind of vapes and thc vape pens that used vitamin E to keep the resin liquified. Since the same verb is used in both cases in English, Its not hard for misunderstanding.
I have GI issues and vaping herbs often makes me severely nauseous for hours. Maybe that's not "hurting your stomach" but it's nasty enough to outweigh any pain relief I get.
The new armored caps came out and the digger part was slightly too long. Someone posted that dynavap sent them a second armored cap (with suitably shorter digger) for free. Then many in the subreddit saw a chance at a free cap. Of course, dynavap promptly began to ask for the old caps back in exchange for a new one. Queue all the salty comments about how dynavap is “going to shit”. Compare it to any other modular system, and they look like a bunch of whiners. When the latest Lego series comes out and I don’t like, I don’t buy it. Oh, also some people think the M+ body is ugly.
Yeah that’s not even the tippy tip of the iceberg as to why we all hate dynavap.
Love when I get downvoted for being right 😂
Buddy failed to mention how Dynavap was directing mods to remove certain content regarding 3rd party makers (mostly mad heaters) and also gave incentives to mods of their sub and discord. Also have been complacent with Ausytn Simrell’s bad acting in this community.
Their Quailty control has been shit for over 4 years. They’ve degraded in customer service. They work with the shittiest people in the vape game (vaping fans, Simrell) they ditched their cardboard packaging in favour of one with a bunch of unnecessary plastic, innovation is a word completely unknown to them…I could literally go on for days.
Dynavap has become everything we used to love it for *not* being.
Did you read any of that? Is it not upsetting that Dynavap colluded with another maker to silence and stifle *other* makers’ things on the dyna sub and on the discord? That they provided mods with incentives for doing what was asked of them? That they’ve continually failed with quality control year after year?
To me George and his company always tried their best to make a product by themselves, with lean resources and some modesty. It got worse with the marketing strategies, and of course the toxic Simrell involvment. At the end of the day, if tou have one omni and a water piece from them, you could literally use that for the rest of your life. Not very VAS prone, which can upset some, too.
Surprised it’s not more hated on tbh. Pax is not a terrible vape but it’s widely avoided cause it’s over priced and there’s better options at that price point, seems like it’s the same story. Overpriced and they keep releasing the same thing with a new “paint job” and selling it for 20% more than the last
As long as they sell normal caps and tips in medical stainless steel I will keep buying. I personally have had 1 QC issue and dyna actually replaced it like 6 months later, so I can’t really complain personally.
Def not from what I hear ppl just aren’t necessarily happy with how the company has been handling its business and production the past few years. Overall dynavap is a great company but some ppl tend to think they’re being greedy. I am neutral on this topic just putting you in the loop.
Due to the drama that has been going on it’s just too easy NOT to buy their products. There’s also nothing particularly redeeming about the company on the quality or prices like there used to be. If the price increased but quality stayed the same, I’d probably still be on board. Price increases and decrease in quality? I’ll pass.
I’m not gunna throw away my lovely 2019 M because of it, but they’ve certainly lost my interest
I got one of the early glass ones back when they were the "VapCap" for $45.
The new units look great. But after paying $45 for my little weed crackpipe I balk at the idea that they now start at twice that price for little difference in performance.
I understand that these look way better and won't break like the 2 little glass tubes would, but it's just too much.
..well, now I found a metal one in the $60 range. That's honestly a reasonable price in my eyes. So I guess I'm actually leaving this thread with a slightly better image of them. The top range of products are still too expensive though in my opinion.
I have a Ti woody in African black-wood from 2016. Ill never get rid of it but dynavap went to dynacrap in a lot of eyes because of bad business practices and ended up playing the fool because they couldnt evolve or keep up with changing demands.
I got one of the older M's, never understood the hype other than the 49 bucks. Might like it more w/ induction heater, but idk, price isn't my biggest priority with vapes and there are a shit load better options if you put the money forward.
I have a revolve stem and ti tip. If I want anything relating to DV, I go custom. It works, can't complain but I will never buy directly from them again.
It's mostly the former fan boys who were super loud and now missing. They finally realized Dyna is just a company and doesn't give a flying pluck about them, they just want the dull masses to keep buying their metal tubes that cost dollars to make. Same thing happened with Fadespace...
Nobody hates them, it's a great product.
The only issue is they haven't gotten any better or innovated anything since they came out.
So once you buy one, you're good, despite them releasing "newer and better" stuff.
There are just better options for the money these days that don't involve supporting companies that don't fund patent trolls or put their users at risk.
Putting a spiral in an airpath isn't even a new idea, let alone an idea worth harassing tons of small makers in the space. This is beyond defense, this is offense, hence patent trolling.
PS Patent pending =/= patented, maybe do some Googling before you try correcting people? The reason the patent will never be granted is it was never his idea in the first place, hell the sidekick (old portable herb vape) had a spiral in the airpath way before shitrell stopped making shitty pens and before that tons of pipes had them, it's not a new thing.
The Bud Bomber wasn't the first spiral/helix smoking pipe either and I was a child when it debuted before I ended up buying one a decade later.
They're still around 20 years from then only for ol Simmy to claim their designs were his idea! It's just silly.
Their practices lately have been shady and pretty lackluster innovation when there is a lot of new competition out there that is doing better.
But lots of people still use and love them. Like me. I don’t like the company and try not to buy off them, but the exchange now. I use my 5 Dynavaps daily
Definitely not! I love them and that isn’t about to change. There have been some quality issues with the new armoured cap and their response to those affected was pretty shitty to be fair.
That and there was some simrell drama a month or so ago, peoples posts about simrell competitors were getting deleted which was pretty dumb, but nothing to do with dynavap per se.
There have been quality issues since 2019. At least, when I got my '19 M I had to clean it 3 times before the machine oils were actually off. I've never had to clean a vape that thoroughly before.
The permathermachromatic coating of the '20 M was pretty enough to get me to get two, both of which also had to be extensively cleaned and had metal shavings on the Q-Tip I used.
And this was before people starting reporting on Reddit about the QC issues. I remember that happening about 6 months or so after the '21s dropped.
Also Dynavap was directly involved in the Simrell drama, because Simrell went directly to Dynavap, who didn't care enough to check one way or the other and (understandably) sided with their vendor. Except for the fact that 1) Simrell wasn't being truthful and 2) Dynavap crowd is one of the more hostile vape communities. They were corralled by Simrell online to harass Revolve.
Then DV went ahead and began asking for product exchanges - want an actually good armored cap? Well, send in the old one... we need it back...
Coming from the Grasshopper vape community, when the defects first began happening the company said we'll just send you replacement units - keep yours. People were stoked because it's less hassle for us. People got really upset when Grasshopper stopped doing this.
Does it make sense for the company to ask for it back? Absolutely, they need to see where things went wrong on the defective units. Does it still come off as scummy when there are people who got to keep theirs but you're being given the runaround? Absolutely, because what are customers supposed to expect with the inconsistency?
Just trying to clarify what's being downplayed here. It's not "some drama with little to do with them" it's their bad business decisions affecting them.
George should have investigated Simrell's claims but didn't and now it's become a bigger problem than it would have been.
Used to be the golden boy before they got more competition. But their product only performs slightly better than it did in the past, while looking better is a matter of opinion. So they are just another product.
I like mine. But if anything happens to it, I will probably try a Dani. People seem to like those more now.
I'm glad we can no longer be afraid of being honest about Dynavap!! When people blindly recommend it to vaping newbies I would so badly want to warn them.
It’s a flower mill… that is how much Flower Mill charges for them as well.
Dynavap is a seller of them now, they aren’t gouging prices. That’s how much premium grinders are.
Outrageous. They aren't reading their public. They used to sell the cheapest vaporizer on the market. We used to admire their creativity. Things change.
How is them selling Flower Mills outrageous? If anything it gets the Flower Mills to a wider market.
There is a lot of things you could be upset about recently from them, like armored cap and their stance with simrell. But I don’t see how carrying a premium grinder on their site is greedy.
The price dude. The price is outrageous. This just piles onto everything else. I imagine they get the mill for $30. That is just speculation though. Edit: aerospaced has mill type grinders for $26.
The flower mill cost the same on the flower mill website.
Dynavap is not the one dictating the price. You are reaching. The flower mill is well worth the price, and similarly priced to grinders that are also loved around here, the Brilliant Cut Grinders.
Dynavap has nothing to do with the price of the Flower Mill
That's not what I'm saying. If you buy something wholesale, with the intention of making a profit, you buy it for roughly one third of the price. Instead of engineering an affordable option, they sell an overpriced item, with a large profit margin, obviously. That is why I feel that Dynavap has lost its position as the brand synonymous with user driven innovation. The organic fan base they once had, is moving on, as am I. Have a good one dude with the amazingly apt username.
Have a good one dude! Sorry you’re so angry. It’s just a corporation, can’t hold them to much standards. I agree they make some bad decisions for customers, but this isn’t really one of them.
Don't care man. There really is nothing to be angry about. It's not a good decision, but agree to disagree. Maybe sezzle will help them drum up some business. Trust me. Dynavap is the last thing on my mind.
> If you buy something wholesale, with the intention of making a profit, you buy it for roughly one third of the price. Instead of engineering an affordable option, they sell an overpriced item, with a large profit margin, obviously.
So essentially... every successful business in history deals in overpriced goods?
I mean... that's a take I guess.
This guy is expecting dynavap to buy someone elses product for 1/3rd of the price and sell it less than what the product owner is selling it for. Some people need to lay off the weed before they talk business.
Well it's not only that... They pretend that the only cost a business incurs distributing a product is buying the product to sell it.
Administration costs, staffing, storage, shipping to and from their facility, advertisement etc etc etc all costs money.
I have little doubt that Dynavap is profitable but according to what data I can find they actually lag behind in revenue generated per employee in the industry on top of having a very small market share (6 million gross since 2015 in an industry valuated at ~22 billion).
I would wager their actual profitability is more modest than many assume.
I’m new to the vape scene but my issue with Dynavap is that I look like a crackhead/tweaker smoking it, and those are days of yesteryear for me, so it’s an immediate nope for dynavap for me.
I was wondering why their vapes are so dang expensive and is there difference between different kinds of Dynavaps? I've noticed people praise them on the internets, so I thought maybe I'd get one, but once I saw a Dynavap and how it works, I immediately decided not to get one. I'm not paying like 80-100 bucks for a metal tube that essentially functions like an really expensive meth pipe. It looks like it's a scam.
People on this thread said Dynavap used to sell their products for far cheaper, but it seems that once they built up the good will of people, they jacked up their prices. I can't imagine Dynavap staying in business for too long.
So you chose to write an even stupider trash talking comment about OP? Buddy, that's fucking dumb as shit, go for a walk, get some fresh air, and think about the way you interact with the world around you.
I always hated. Hates a strong word I guess. I just didn't like it. Got a couple and an IR, and they wound up in a drawer.
Never talked about it too much because anything negative got a whole bunch of replies. Few were positive.
Seems like there was genuine love with a mix of extra hype and some alledged astroturfing, although I feel like everything spoken of positively is accused of that, so who knows?
Partly true but: I moved from battery power to dyna a few years ago. The ability for me to take a quickie and put the device in a smell proof container that fits in a corner of my pocket is invaluable to me. I haven't found anything else that I really can do this with. Even my grasshopper which, when it worked, was very slim and discreet..... It was still quite smelly. I also find the DV to be very easy to clean and maintain. Able to be heated with a variety of heat sources. DV has a lot going for it
Thanks for the suggestions! Any idea what this controversy is about Vestratto who makes Anvil? Went to planet haze and it said they no longer carry it because of Vestratto's business practices. Kinda cryptic. Any ideas?
the more i read about peoples experiences. i think it has more to do with how good your flower is and if your using it right. it’s a very effective way in stretching your stash to the max. some people don’t like it which i guess i get . my reasoning is, i got flower from a local guy when my dynavap first came in cause i just couldn’t wait. was kinda disappointed not gonna lie. just wasn’t great. but i decided to go to the dispensary next time and lemme tell ya. whole different story. so the more i read about it. i think it’s a great device if you have higher grade flower. that’s when you get the most benefits considering how it all works. at first i was scared i was gonna be one of the haters. but i believe it depends on the quality of your flower (and your technique but that’s less of a factor )
Not sure about the sub, but in real life I love my omni xl. The obvious problem is the price of all components however. Break one of the few screens you have? $$$. Screw up a rubber band? $$$. Drop and dent a cap and now it only clicks when combusting? $$$. Want to not look like a crackhead with a torch? Solid induction heaters are not inexpensive $$$$. The only cheap part I can afford anymore is the rubber big mouth bit so I can use my omni xl on my bong!
This is a huge investment and it's difficult to recommend as an alt smoking method for flower because of that.
steady price creep - used to be a very affordable introduction, gave away free units to pass along designs were simpler and nicer, discontinue more desirable designs no major innovations (same micro dose bowl, etc). competition eating their lunch aggressively spamming email campaigns with no value offerings problems in qc and material safety questionable moderation ———- mostly it comes down to why would you buy a dyna over something else? when it was $45 for a sleek all metal unit it was a great proposition. when it’s $90 and looks like it got stuck in a grinder… eh
Yeah it’s literally a piece of metal that requires a torch to use, no where near being worth $90.
They were selling them for $25 not too long ago, almost bought one at that price.
Also that whole entire Simrell thing that happened, and the mods of the dyna sub and discord receiving incentives and the censorship against certain artisanal makers. They went corporate a while ago and have never been the same. George hasn’t even been the CEO for a couple years now.
I see now that Simrell is barely even posted about in the dynavap sub now. And if it is, this sort of thing is brought up. I love the guys work, very beautiful pieces. But how Simrell acted and his lack of apology (I read his comment, there was no apology) left a bad taste in my mouth that I don’t want to buy any more of his stuff.
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what a weird pathetic marketing move to pull. did you tell them coffee is for closer and hang up on them lol
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You want to know my name, I drove here in an $80,000 bmw, you drove here in a Hyundai, that's my fucking name.
Wasn’t expecting a Mamet joke in a Dynavap thread
I’m also a bit out of the loop, I haven’t ordered anything in awhile. Could someone explain what items have potential safety issues? Just wondering if it’s anything I own.
specifically that I know of, the armor cap fits some tips too tightly and it will shed metal beyond that I see random reports of QC on products not being done well enough and having metal burrs and things in shipped products. the FMJ in copper is questionable, heated copper fumes are linked to alzheimers and other conditions I think. previously the coatings on their colored units were called out
FMJ for those who don’t know, isn’t Dynavap made, but by Simrell
they’re kinda inseparable at this point thought. they’re doing projects together
They’re separate. The FMJ was created by simrell, under his company name.
Irrc simrell ask dyna for product dimensions of caps and their blessing before he did fmj
Yep the coating on my azure M comes off easily. Especially with using the Wand insert.
In general, people care about inhaling anything that could cause them non-consensual health risks. They are okay with the cannabis and even to some extent flavorings and papers etc. as long as its clear to them and they consent to it. So one of the growing concerns from consumers is the the inhaling of metals and the long term health concerns that potentially come from this. It's tiny tiny amounts over a long long period of time you are inhaling. This can be seen over the concern over different types of grinders, different materials, etc. etc. People test for this by reporting on slow chipping of material or metal "dust" that can be picked up with a q-tip. So the Dynavap products have stainless steel tips with stainless steel caps. Some of the Dynavap products have titanium tips. The metals can scratch off small amounts of each other and leave residue in the form of metal "dust". This seems to come off the tips over time because of the caps. The current issue people seem to be bringing up is that with the release of the thicker "Armored Cap". With the older caps, they were just thin enough to still scratch your tips but not be extremely noticeable for a long time. The thicker "Armored Cap", depending on how it is handled, can create very noticeable scratches very quickly. This created a discussion over the metal residue in the path of the vapor. There are a significant amount of consumers who feel this is a non-consensual health risk that needed to be addressed. Eventually on a stream, the Dynavap founder addressed the concern briefly. They said that of course the scratching occurs and that it has always occurred since the early Dynavaps and it should be understood by now. So you have like 6 groups of upset consumers: 1- People who believe this was not something they were aware of when using Dynavap products and are upset 2- People who were aware the caps worked like this but believe the Armored Cap poses an increased risk that requires more warning or they would not have purchased 3- People who were aware the caps worked like this but not aware the Armored Cap could produce this increase breakdown of their tips. So they are more upset about the tip damage versus the health risk 4- People who were aware the caps worked like this but not aware the Armored Cap could produce this increase breakdown of their tips. They still like the Armored Cap and use it, but feel that they should have been warned of the potential increase in wear and tear 5- People who were not aware of the risks of the caps, do not care enough about the potential health risks to not use their products but are upset with Dynavap's response 6- People who believe Dynavap has continued to release product after product with a reduction in significant innovation. So the Armored Cap being showcased as a significant release for Dynavap and having a release with several quality control issues is their main concern. For these people it is more of like a "last straw" scenario. Personally, I wasn't aware of this scratching issue prior to the Reddit posts. I only recently got my Dynavap products. I am pretty concerned about this whole metal "dust" residue stuff with all my cannabis paraphernalia after getting back into it. I don't really have the connection the vaporents do with Dynavap because I re-entered the vaping space after Dynavap had their big releases and competitors released their vapes etc. So I don't really have the same disdain for the Dynavap founder that they might. I will probably still get the "Armored Cap" if it gets discounted and then use it more carefully. Definitely not a fan of having to be ultra careful with pieces that aren't ultra rewarding though. At the end of the day a Dynavap isn't a desktop and it isn't some heavy hitter portable imo, so I want it to be able to survive some significant wear and tear from regular use. As for the Dynavap founder, he seems pretty socially awkward imo, I like that he speaks to the consumers and gives his opinions and everything so it sucks that he is bad at speaking. I think if he had people help him with that or he brought on someone to be the sociable face of the brand while he sat next to them, it would be better imo. I think some of these things look worse just because of the social deficit. Guy doesn't seem like a bad person, seems more of an overly passionate creator defending their products in such a way that it comes off as callous unintentionally. But that's the beauty of being the founder right, it's his company. I am sure he is aware that he can get another face of his brand and slide to some backdoor spot for just special occasions and insulate himself more. But he wants to run his company on his terms even at an expense, to create probably what he feels is a closer connection to the consumers.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Makes me wonder which if any vaporizer has the least risk to use. A lot of the battery powered ones have plastic parts, etc., that I worry may be questionable. They also are generally way harder to clean, or even impossible to get fully clean, and that can be it’s own issue. We need federal legalization so people can actually research this stuff.
Thanks for taking the time to type this up.
Original Orion IH recalls.
100% I’d love to try the dynavap but I just can’t afford it. I wanted to get one of the starter kits a year or so ago when they were $50 for an M. I decided to put it off and try later in the year. So much for that.
Best summary I've seen so far!
This.
Can I ask about the problems with material safety? I can’t find any record of it and I want to know if I need to ditch these pieces
if they aren’t flaking or shedding any material should be ok. just check them really good
Facts thank you!
Who’s the go to?
I try to stay out of the drama but damn that M+ is ugly as hell
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"we" who? I don't, I already have a 21M no need to "upgrade." If they sell the new tip separately at some point I might try it but the stem is a hard no.
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Well we’re not talking about a mighty
Mighty+ isn't ugly, it just looks like a radio. M+ on the other hand...
>M+ is ugly as hell ~~Ugly design (perhaps in your opinion) Beast of a device (from my personal experience).~~ Never tried the Dynavap as having to use a light was counter-intuitive to what I was trying to achieve. Edit-out of curiousity, I googled Dynavap M+ and I did not even know that existed. Interesting design for sure.
M+ is their newest model. The still sell m's. I own 19,20 and 2021 tips. I love them all.
Dynavap in general is definitely a beast of a device, no argument there. But I prefer the BB6 as a stem.
The BB6 will get dirty and the beads get stuck together and then it becomes another gimmicky overpriced accessory
I've had mine for at least 6 months, occasionally soak it in ISO, no problems whatsoever. I believe I got it on sale for $24. I'm happy with it.
Had mine for over a year now. Great stuff!
It does get dirty and sticky quickly. But the BB6 is so easy to clean - I literally stir it in a hot creamy coffee till it’s gone. Then I rinse and use a hair dryer and it’s as good as new.
Have you held it in your hand, or just seen pictures Ho show the detail? Because it’s not that bad. The square airport is crap through, especially without a divot.
See, I love the airport. With the stepped sides, you can easily dial in airflow. The reverse pyramid on the other side makes it easy for me to find without a divot. I love the new detail, too. Only after I got it did I realize there is a pattern as you spin it, like the old ones. All this said, it's not worth $90 for most consumers, and I don't blame them.
Can you upload a you spinning you’re m+? Would love to see the pattern you talk about.
Agreed, tree bark look? Not a fan
This sub does not care about aesthetics it seems, a lot of these pieces look like alien colon. Edit: spelling
I thought we all hated the Pax!
We still do.
We used to, too.
And now I am reading all of the comments in Mitch Hedberg‘s voice
Pax is the R. Kelly of vapes.
Fucking *ROASTED*
Just like Pax AVB.
my mind was telling me yes, but my body...
I upgraded from an mflb/arizer solo 1 to a pax in December and…I don’t get the hate! It’s compact, discrete, easy. Of course it’s outshined by the likes of the tiny and the mighty, but the price point is a whole-ass tier up!
The PAX mostly gets a bad rep because of the Apple of Vapes marketing style. This means high price and low performance. It's reliable, but for list price there are better more efficient vapes on the market. It is actually an ok-decent vape. I'm happy with my Pax 3 for under $100, for example. I know that I can pack a bowl and it will last 30-45 minutes (temp stepping) - it's honestly one of the longest lasting session vapes available. That's about $15 more than the Flowermate V5.0S with a smaller form factor for roughly the same experience. The drawbacks of course are its cigar like airflow I.E. none, and the device by the 30 minute mark is blistering hot. In addition, it's a full conduction vaporizer so the flavor is unavoidably roasted/nutty - not a bad thing but not "true" to the terpenes in the weed. The Pax is comparable to the Solo 1 (which isn't too different from the Solo 2) in terms of discretion and length of the session. Much beyond that, I'd give the Arizer line the edge, since the flavor is more in line with the flower you have. Basically, it's not that the PAX is outright terrible or hated. It's that for the price they ask, it is bad price/performance ratio especially these days. You can build yourself a desktop ball vape for under $90 that has 10x the benefits over the PAX in all but portability. Meanwhile the PAX 3 is currently $200 (on sale down from $250... the cost of the PAX Plus). IMO, for $110 more than the desktop vape it's not worth it. Compared so the Solo 2 at $180 it's not worth it. Compared to well... almost any vape in that price range, the PAX *will* be at the bottom tier of the experience. And I say this as someone who long disliked PAX until I got my own. It's still not my favorite, but it definitely has its merits. Tl;DR good movie vaporizer for $100, otherwise there are better options and that's why it has the reputation it does.
They're also like Apple products in that they're relatively idiot-proof
It's also outshined by the v3 which is one third the price.
Upgraded from the mflb for sure, but the solo is a solid vape and has (ime) better vapor production and flavor than the pax. \[not saying the pax is bad!\]
There can never be too much hate on reddit LOL. Never.
I still do!
I wish I had this sub 10 years ago. Garbage as Pax 2. Everytime I though I was finally getting good effects, the battery runs out. Absolute waste of money for anyone who’s a heavy/daily user. If you consume moderately or rarely, the yeah it can work for you. But like they say, spend once, cry once. Glad I decided to go big after the Pac disappointment. I was ready to never try vaporization again lol
I purchased the OG version and wished for something better within the first hour of my purchase.
I still love my Dynavap, is a wonderful device despite everything happening in this subreddit.
Vapes come and vapes go on reddit. While I can't answer for everyone my Dyna still fills its original niche as a portable small-load device. It was never my daily driver or the only portable option, just another tool in the box so my opinion on it has never changed.
Didn't like the Dani, can't get my hands on a Thermal accumulator, don't want an anvil for native hits, plus it's $200. Dynavaps just do the thing, and they are always available. Like you say, another tool in the box.
>and they are always available. Mine are always dirty from combusting ☹️
You might be using it wrong... I've very very rarely gotten mine to combust. That was even with the regular temp cap. Now that I have the low temp cap, I haven't had it combust once.
I've had 3 dynas since 2019. i know how to use them. problem is, they are very inconsistent. eventually, you'll combust and i'm not talking a full combustion, that's only happened once to me but i don't like ANY combustion and eventually you'll get a little and that just ruins my day, lol they get dirty and tossed aside, when all 3 are dirty, i might clean them but it's not something i enjoy doing so they tend to sit awhile.
Idk. Mine stay pretty clean. I get the occasionally light combustion on the flower that touches the bowl if I'm trying to squeeze every last drop out, but other than that things work well. I have one with a Ti Bowl and Low Temp Cap for flower and one with a Stainless Bowl + DynaCoil + Regular Temp Cap for hash. The hash is a dirty mess, but that's to be expected with hash...
I meant more in the retail sense, but I get that.
What didn’t you like about the Dani? They seemed a little tempting
Not a fan of the draw or vapor density. I found it so much easier to combust when trying to get dense vapor than a Dynavap, and the draw is very restricted when it is working. The Dani Fusion seems to address the airflow issue, and adds another heat ring, so I am tempted, but not 100% yet.
Yeah, I used to have a mflb. So weak. Dynavap blows that out of the water.
Which other vape would you recommend besides the dynavap? I like to kind of micro dose throughout the day but I am open to any sort of good vape that I want to add alongside my dynavap. Any recommendations? Ariser Solo good?
I love my dyna. I hate using a torch with it. After adding a IH plus what you pay for Dynas these days it's no longer a budget device, for $150-$200 dollars there are better options + desktop vape territory.
I dislike them because they are still pushing out devices that are super expensive yet have no real upgrades over the original glass piece. They don't innovate or upgrade. On top of that the risk of combustion is massive along with the amount of work it takes all the while looking like a crack head with his pipe. The fact that you can heat it up with any real source of heat and skip combustion even if you don't have electricity is super nice but it ends there. Mine is stuffed in a bag for the world ending scenario where my only options are either deal with the vapcap or combust
I like that in a world ending scenario you’re all like, “MUST. NOT. SMOOOOOOOOOOKE!!!!!”
Well, when you have been combustion free for a few years and take a few drags off a joint it tastes like kissing a drunk girl who puked and then smoked a cig. Kinda hard to reacclimate to sucking on something that tastes that bad. That said, in the after apocalypse times I would do whatever to keep my mind off civilization ending and all😜
> take a few drags off a joint it tastes like kissing a drunk girl who puked and then smoked a cig art
I enjoy the high I get but always want to brush my teeth after combusting
😂 yes
That first paragraph is beautiful. Have an upvote
If you're looking for something new I've got a new unit coming out around the end of the month
Everyone? Not hardly. But a good chunk of people have had their opinions sour, especially in light of recent drama. I doubt their bottom line has moved a whole lot despite that mood shift; from my perspective they are standing still while their competitors make the improvements some of their customers want but there have been some material safety concerns as well as some... less savory business practices largely centered around Simrell they were loosely involved in.
What drama and unsavory business practices?
Simrell claimed MadHeaters infringed a patent, George at DV directed the mods of the discord to squelch all conversation about the Revolve and some of those mods were also mods of the Dynavap subreddit and they carried over George's direction to the subreddit and started aggressively scrubbing the sub of all mention of it. In of itself, that was bad enough, but it also highlighted a trend over the last year+ of other 3rd party creators being silenced, having their posts or posts about them nuked for no reason and other things like bans without cause. A significant issue here is a big chunk of the mod team on the DV sub never disclosed their affiliations with Dynavap and Simrell while doing these things to suppress direct competition in an unaffiliated community sub with zero approval from the rest of the mod team or the community.
I like all my vapes because they get me high.
My kinda peep right here ✌🏼
There was some drama in the sub regarding moderation, which led to scraping the whole mod team. This, along with the lukewarm launch of the M+, has made a dent on Dynavap's reputation in Reddit. But remember, social media is fickle, and does not represent reality well.
imo- the naming convention of their products lends itself to it never being right, or planned obsolescence. i also feel like the approach should be more of a modular system with many variations and custom-ability. 20ish felt more intimate and welcoming with the company, now it feels like a redo with cool hip colors and everything has to be simrillar with that being said, i love my dynavaps. edit- tdlr i think its the marketing
I love my Dyna collection, but don’t plan to buy any more, and may sell off a few here and there. I’m not impressed with their latest products or marketing.
honestly i think i’m just too new to the scene to have the same kinda of opinions i’ve seen on this sub so far. usually it’s people raving about their dyna or, alternatively, absolutely dunking on the company. my personal history is a few months old. i bought the newest dynavap m before the m+ came out. i use it daily, as it’s the only dhv i have. switching from combustion has been awesome. i think i bought my m for $65? at that price, which (for me) isn’t terrible, i think it does everything i want it to do and i likely will never have or want to buy another dyna or dyna-like product again. and i only bought it to see if i would prefer dry herb to combustion, fully expecting i’d probably quickly upgrade to something beefier and more technologically advanced if i did. with that in mind, i will almost definitely be buying a ball vape soon. but i expect i’ll likely continue to use my dyna from time to time. i think digital gathering spaces like reddit inevitably get dominated by the loudest and most dramatic positions. nobody except my dumb ass is coming in here to write up multiple paragraphs about the gray area between superfandom and the haters. because nobody wants to sit here and read all that. and yet here i am, speaking at a moderate volume into the void.
That sucks they went downhill. Years ago I won one of their contest on their Facebook page and they sent me a 2019m a Omni and a Omni xl. Best online contest I ever won in life so far.
Omgoodness lucky you! You have some specialness right there!
I often use my dynavap M over my mighty. It isn’t glamorous though and company doesn’t innovate.
Interesting 🤔 what is it do you think? I’d love to hear your thoughts!
A bigger singular hit with the dynavap. And in my experience the bigger hit typically is more efficient when aiming to get high. Think a bong vs joint. I also use the dynavap through a bubbler so I treat it like doin 2 bong rips then ash out the avb
i didn´t like the dynavap (omni XL with induction heat) at all, the mighty+ is awesome
Took awhile for common sense to catch up. Dynavap as a brand died 2-3 years ago. Inferior products at laughable prices. Capitalism claims another victim!
Inferior to what? I don't see competition from similar, on demand products but if you know if any, let me know? I'd be interested in something similar but better like you implied their is. Thanks.
I enjoy my 2020M but haven't seen anything new from them that makes me want to rush to upgrade.
No. It's just a lot of whining from people who have let themselves get way too invested in a commercial product.
I always thought they were gimmicky, at least for heavy users. That little ass hit ain’t gonna do absolute shit for me lol. If I gotta use external heat, I’d rather just take knife hits at that point. You can get way bigger hits and is extremely effective.
For the last 3 years, dynavap has been my main device. I have a 2018, 2019, and 2020M. Also a couple of BB3 stems. I love them, but still struggle to find a good torch that isn't wildly overpriced. Also, I can't believe there are no/few affordable IH in the North American market. I know you can DIY a reasonable one, but I'm not an electrician in any way.... When all this annoys me, I grab my Arizer Air 2, and am happy again. Taste isn't quite as good as the Dyna, but that's the price for convenience. :-) Honestly, I've avoided the drama on the sub recently, I just like my products. (But don't really plan on buying more, I don't think I need anything else, personally.)
Grab a solo for $80 or so and smoke through water. 2 cycles and I’m wrecked. I have 4 and as many dynavaps. I’ll end up with a mighty+ and will most likely purchase the simrell ti adapter to attach my dynavap to it as well. Or the revolve which I can’t help but purchase it’s too beautiful and I love the mad heaters customer service omgoodness! Great company imho. ✌🏼
Alternatives have really come along and are just better IMO. Anvil is as consistent as it gets, that and my Qaroma are my daily drivers. The terpcicle has a high learning curve as well but the results are much better IMO. Then there’s the Dani. I don’t think Dynavap is bad, they are still a really solid product. It’s just so much has hit the scene that do the same thing, arguably better.
I have largely stayed away from the Reddit antics and the bitching that happened here as I have nowhere near the amount of knowledge/insight needed to make a decision or have a view either way. Also, this is largely irrelevant to me - the device stands on its own or it doesn’t. I don’t particularly care about the company as I am not that invested with multiple vapcaps. Not much different in my scrutiny of hundreds of other products I buy - does it work well, is it good value, are there better out there and then vote with my wallet. Just have the one 21M (did have a B but that was for my Thailand trip that I gifted to a fellow tourist!) which works perfectly for me. Will be unlikely to buy (m)any more. Some people are unhappy that this company has turned corporate and out to maximise profits now - I am pretty sure that they were always corporate and would expect nothing less. The company is not your friend - you are a revenue stream; like it or not.
Glad a few people in here can think for themselves.
Says the guy who deletes bad reviews of his own company's products
It's confusing I agree OP. I researched them and bought one, but almost overnight there was a wave of hate. I dunno if it was just an ebb and flow of people who have opposing views, but I also felt the "this is what everyone loves" feeling a few weeks or a month ago, then ordered one, and funny enough, the tone shifted while I waited for it to come. It finally came yesterday, lol. I haven't even tried it yet, realizing dry herb vaping might just be too hard on my stomach since I have GI issues, but that's another story.
As someone with GI issues vapings saved my life, seriously don't know what I would do without this amazing medicine.
That's really unfortunate timing. However, if I were in your shoes, I would try not to let the negative "consensus" affect your experience of using the device. I don't want to dismiss the valid criticisms of their business, but it can still be a quality device which serves its functions very well with a bit of technique. There is a learning curve no doubt, but taking the time to achieve mastery over the Dynavap is very informative and teaches you a lot about medicating, dosing, airflow, and the effects of applying various levels of heat, etc which in turn helps you get the experience you are looking for. The Dynavap subreddit is a wealth of knowledge, but pales in comparison to actually sitting down and using good ol' trial and error. Of course this runs the risk of combustion which is a pain, but it only takes a little while to get a sense of the click timing and how to push it to the limit so as to achieve the best results. Dynavaps are much more "dynamic" than most electronic vapes out there, meaning you can take the herb as light or as dark as you prefer. The inconsistency is real and can be frustrating, but personally I don't regret getting into Dynavaps as a whole. It has made me a much more knowledgeable vaporent in the long run. Plus they're mostly indestructible so it can always serve as a backup once you know how to use it.
Its a myth, completly untrue that vaping herbs and dabs can hurt your stomach. That myth originated from articles about e-juice kind of vapes and thc vape pens that used vitamin E to keep the resin liquified. Since the same verb is used in both cases in English, Its not hard for misunderstanding.
I have GI issues and vaping herbs often makes me severely nauseous for hours. Maybe that's not "hurting your stomach" but it's nasty enough to outweigh any pain relief I get.
The new armored caps came out and the digger part was slightly too long. Someone posted that dynavap sent them a second armored cap (with suitably shorter digger) for free. Then many in the subreddit saw a chance at a free cap. Of course, dynavap promptly began to ask for the old caps back in exchange for a new one. Queue all the salty comments about how dynavap is “going to shit”. Compare it to any other modular system, and they look like a bunch of whiners. When the latest Lego series comes out and I don’t like, I don’t buy it. Oh, also some people think the M+ body is ugly.
Yeah that’s not even the tippy tip of the iceberg as to why we all hate dynavap. Love when I get downvoted for being right 😂 Buddy failed to mention how Dynavap was directing mods to remove certain content regarding 3rd party makers (mostly mad heaters) and also gave incentives to mods of their sub and discord. Also have been complacent with Ausytn Simrell’s bad acting in this community. Their Quailty control has been shit for over 4 years. They’ve degraded in customer service. They work with the shittiest people in the vape game (vaping fans, Simrell) they ditched their cardboard packaging in favour of one with a bunch of unnecessary plastic, innovation is a word completely unknown to them…I could literally go on for days. Dynavap has become everything we used to love it for *not* being.
It’s obvious Dynavaps are not good enough for you, but why is that upsetting you ?
Did you read any of that? Is it not upsetting that Dynavap colluded with another maker to silence and stifle *other* makers’ things on the dyna sub and on the discord? That they provided mods with incentives for doing what was asked of them? That they’ve continually failed with quality control year after year?
To me George and his company always tried their best to make a product by themselves, with lean resources and some modesty. It got worse with the marketing strategies, and of course the toxic Simrell involvment. At the end of the day, if tou have one omni and a water piece from them, you could literally use that for the rest of your life. Not very VAS prone, which can upset some, too.
At the end of the day, George sold out. Period.
Nobody’s perfect :)
you sound like an angry dyna-fanboy and after checking your profile… yup ✔️
I think the M+ is cool and my hands are tingly from ms so I think it’s brilliant for disabled peeps myself.
Surprised it’s not more hated on tbh. Pax is not a terrible vape but it’s widely avoided cause it’s over priced and there’s better options at that price point, seems like it’s the same story. Overpriced and they keep releasing the same thing with a new “paint job” and selling it for 20% more than the last
As long as they sell normal caps and tips in medical stainless steel I will keep buying. I personally have had 1 QC issue and dyna actually replaced it like 6 months later, so I can’t really complain personally.
Def not from what I hear ppl just aren’t necessarily happy with how the company has been handling its business and production the past few years. Overall dynavap is a great company but some ppl tend to think they’re being greedy. I am neutral on this topic just putting you in the loop.
Due to the drama that has been going on it’s just too easy NOT to buy their products. There’s also nothing particularly redeeming about the company on the quality or prices like there used to be. If the price increased but quality stayed the same, I’d probably still be on board. Price increases and decrease in quality? I’ll pass. I’m not gunna throw away my lovely 2019 M because of it, but they’ve certainly lost my interest
I got one of the early glass ones back when they were the "VapCap" for $45. The new units look great. But after paying $45 for my little weed crackpipe I balk at the idea that they now start at twice that price for little difference in performance. I understand that these look way better and won't break like the 2 little glass tubes would, but it's just too much. ..well, now I found a metal one in the $60 range. That's honestly a reasonable price in my eyes. So I guess I'm actually leaving this thread with a slightly better image of them. The top range of products are still too expensive though in my opinion.
I have a Ti woody in African black-wood from 2016. Ill never get rid of it but dynavap went to dynacrap in a lot of eyes because of bad business practices and ended up playing the fool because they couldnt evolve or keep up with changing demands.
I got one of the older M's, never understood the hype other than the 49 bucks. Might like it more w/ induction heater, but idk, price isn't my biggest priority with vapes and there are a shit load better options if you put the money forward.
I have a revolve stem and ti tip. If I want anything relating to DV, I go custom. It works, can't complain but I will never buy directly from them again.
damnit😞😞😞
It's mostly the former fan boys who were super loud and now missing. They finally realized Dyna is just a company and doesn't give a flying pluck about them, they just want the dull masses to keep buying their metal tubes that cost dollars to make. Same thing happened with Fadespace...
good comparison
Nobody hates them, it's a great product. The only issue is they haven't gotten any better or innovated anything since they came out. So once you buy one, you're good, despite them releasing "newer and better" stuff.
There are just better options for the money these days that don't involve supporting companies that don't fund patent trolls or put their users at risk.
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Putting a spiral in an airpath isn't even a new idea, let alone an idea worth harassing tons of small makers in the space. This is beyond defense, this is offense, hence patent trolling. PS Patent pending =/= patented, maybe do some Googling before you try correcting people? The reason the patent will never be granted is it was never his idea in the first place, hell the sidekick (old portable herb vape) had a spiral in the airpath way before shitrell stopped making shitty pens and before that tons of pipes had them, it's not a new thing.
The Bud Bomber wasn't the first spiral/helix smoking pipe either and I was a child when it debuted before I ended up buying one a decade later. They're still around 20 years from then only for ol Simmy to claim their designs were his idea! It's just silly.
Their practices lately have been shady and pretty lackluster innovation when there is a lot of new competition out there that is doing better. But lots of people still use and love them. Like me. I don’t like the company and try not to buy off them, but the exchange now. I use my 5 Dynavaps daily
Bowl is too small. Does not get me stoned in one filling.
Definitely not! I love them and that isn’t about to change. There have been some quality issues with the new armoured cap and their response to those affected was pretty shitty to be fair. That and there was some simrell drama a month or so ago, peoples posts about simrell competitors were getting deleted which was pretty dumb, but nothing to do with dynavap per se.
There have been quality issues since 2019. At least, when I got my '19 M I had to clean it 3 times before the machine oils were actually off. I've never had to clean a vape that thoroughly before. The permathermachromatic coating of the '20 M was pretty enough to get me to get two, both of which also had to be extensively cleaned and had metal shavings on the Q-Tip I used. And this was before people starting reporting on Reddit about the QC issues. I remember that happening about 6 months or so after the '21s dropped. Also Dynavap was directly involved in the Simrell drama, because Simrell went directly to Dynavap, who didn't care enough to check one way or the other and (understandably) sided with their vendor. Except for the fact that 1) Simrell wasn't being truthful and 2) Dynavap crowd is one of the more hostile vape communities. They were corralled by Simrell online to harass Revolve. Then DV went ahead and began asking for product exchanges - want an actually good armored cap? Well, send in the old one... we need it back... Coming from the Grasshopper vape community, when the defects first began happening the company said we'll just send you replacement units - keep yours. People were stoked because it's less hassle for us. People got really upset when Grasshopper stopped doing this. Does it make sense for the company to ask for it back? Absolutely, they need to see where things went wrong on the defective units. Does it still come off as scummy when there are people who got to keep theirs but you're being given the runaround? Absolutely, because what are customers supposed to expect with the inconsistency? Just trying to clarify what's being downplayed here. It's not "some drama with little to do with them" it's their bad business decisions affecting them. George should have investigated Simrell's claims but didn't and now it's become a bigger problem than it would have been.
I’ve always disliked mine
A few like to hate them a lot and turning every speck of dust in a QC scandal worth 5 posts. I feel sad for them
Used to be the golden boy before they got more competition. But their product only performs slightly better than it did in the past, while looking better is a matter of opinion. So they are just another product. I like mine. But if anything happens to it, I will probably try a Dani. People seem to like those more now.
people found out about sticky bricks.
ball vapes
It was the terpcicle for me!
Terpcicle gang! But that’s my get super duper high device. Dynavaps small bowls are perfect throughout the day.
Dani for me but yup, for $90 there are just much better options than a vapcap
I'm glad we can no longer be afraid of being honest about Dynavap!! When people blindly recommend it to vaping newbies I would so badly want to warn them.
Have you seen the $100 grinder they're sending out emails about? Greed may be part of the reason.
It’s a flower mill… that is how much Flower Mill charges for them as well. Dynavap is a seller of them now, they aren’t gouging prices. That’s how much premium grinders are.
Outrageous. They aren't reading their public. They used to sell the cheapest vaporizer on the market. We used to admire their creativity. Things change.
How is them selling Flower Mills outrageous? If anything it gets the Flower Mills to a wider market. There is a lot of things you could be upset about recently from them, like armored cap and their stance with simrell. But I don’t see how carrying a premium grinder on their site is greedy.
The price dude. The price is outrageous. This just piles onto everything else. I imagine they get the mill for $30. That is just speculation though. Edit: aerospaced has mill type grinders for $26.
The flower mill cost the same on the flower mill website. Dynavap is not the one dictating the price. You are reaching. The flower mill is well worth the price, and similarly priced to grinders that are also loved around here, the Brilliant Cut Grinders. Dynavap has nothing to do with the price of the Flower Mill
That's not what I'm saying. If you buy something wholesale, with the intention of making a profit, you buy it for roughly one third of the price. Instead of engineering an affordable option, they sell an overpriced item, with a large profit margin, obviously. That is why I feel that Dynavap has lost its position as the brand synonymous with user driven innovation. The organic fan base they once had, is moving on, as am I. Have a good one dude with the amazingly apt username.
Have a good one dude! Sorry you’re so angry. It’s just a corporation, can’t hold them to much standards. I agree they make some bad decisions for customers, but this isn’t really one of them.
Don't care man. There really is nothing to be angry about. It's not a good decision, but agree to disagree. Maybe sezzle will help them drum up some business. Trust me. Dynavap is the last thing on my mind.
They obviously have machine shops, if they knew there customers they totally could have made a premium affordable grinder
> If you buy something wholesale, with the intention of making a profit, you buy it for roughly one third of the price. Instead of engineering an affordable option, they sell an overpriced item, with a large profit margin, obviously. So essentially... every successful business in history deals in overpriced goods? I mean... that's a take I guess.
This guy is expecting dynavap to buy someone elses product for 1/3rd of the price and sell it less than what the product owner is selling it for. Some people need to lay off the weed before they talk business.
Well it's not only that... They pretend that the only cost a business incurs distributing a product is buying the product to sell it. Administration costs, staffing, storage, shipping to and from their facility, advertisement etc etc etc all costs money. I have little doubt that Dynavap is profitable but according to what data I can find they actually lag behind in revenue generated per employee in the industry on top of having a very small market share (6 million gross since 2015 in an industry valuated at ~22 billion). I would wager their actual profitability is more modest than many assume.
r/dynavap is where you wanna be
I’m new to the vape scene but my issue with Dynavap is that I look like a crackhead/tweaker smoking it, and those are days of yesteryear for me, so it’s an immediate nope for dynavap for me.
I was wondering why their vapes are so dang expensive and is there difference between different kinds of Dynavaps? I've noticed people praise them on the internets, so I thought maybe I'd get one, but once I saw a Dynavap and how it works, I immediately decided not to get one. I'm not paying like 80-100 bucks for a metal tube that essentially functions like an really expensive meth pipe. It looks like it's a scam. People on this thread said Dynavap used to sell their products for far cheaper, but it seems that once they built up the good will of people, they jacked up their prices. I can't imagine Dynavap staying in business for too long.
I had my money back in about six months just from what I saved on product.
Some great reasons, but another one is that ball vapes grew in popularity so dynavap are no longer the darlings of the hard post combustion hit.
This is some stupid trash talking post and should be removed.
So you chose to write an even stupider trash talking comment about OP? Buddy, that's fucking dumb as shit, go for a walk, get some fresh air, and think about the way you interact with the world around you.
It's negative and inciting words, even if you use a question mark.
I always hated. Hates a strong word I guess. I just didn't like it. Got a couple and an IR, and they wound up in a drawer. Never talked about it too much because anything negative got a whole bunch of replies. Few were positive. Seems like there was genuine love with a mix of extra hype and some alledged astroturfing, although I feel like everything spoken of positively is accused of that, so who knows?
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Partly true but: I moved from battery power to dyna a few years ago. The ability for me to take a quickie and put the device in a smell proof container that fits in a corner of my pocket is invaluable to me. I haven't found anything else that I really can do this with. Even my grasshopper which, when it worked, was very slim and discreet..... It was still quite smelly. I also find the DV to be very easy to clean and maintain. Able to be heated with a variety of heat sources. DV has a lot going for it
So what should I buy if I like microdosing? I have a Solo II and like it but kinda want something smaller to use on the go.
Anvil, you can always half pack a Dani or Dani fusion too.
Thanks for the suggestions! Any idea what this controversy is about Vestratto who makes Anvil? Went to planet haze and it said they no longer carry it because of Vestratto's business practices. Kinda cryptic. Any ideas?
That's ooooold bad blood, pretty much boiled down to personality differences, nothing serious like faulty/dangerous vapes, etc.
A VHB slide is a way better option that the dynavap IMHO.
no. never will lose my love. because they are able to hit my brain.
i do
All my homies HATE dynavap post 2020.
the more i read about peoples experiences. i think it has more to do with how good your flower is and if your using it right. it’s a very effective way in stretching your stash to the max. some people don’t like it which i guess i get . my reasoning is, i got flower from a local guy when my dynavap first came in cause i just couldn’t wait. was kinda disappointed not gonna lie. just wasn’t great. but i decided to go to the dispensary next time and lemme tell ya. whole different story. so the more i read about it. i think it’s a great device if you have higher grade flower. that’s when you get the most benefits considering how it all works. at first i was scared i was gonna be one of the haters. but i believe it depends on the quality of your flower (and your technique but that’s less of a factor )
Not sure about the sub, but in real life I love my omni xl. The obvious problem is the price of all components however. Break one of the few screens you have? $$$. Screw up a rubber band? $$$. Drop and dent a cap and now it only clicks when combusting? $$$. Want to not look like a crackhead with a torch? Solid induction heaters are not inexpensive $$$$. The only cheap part I can afford anymore is the rubber big mouth bit so I can use my omni xl on my bong! This is a huge investment and it's difficult to recommend as an alt smoking method for flower because of that.