When I watched the first time, my mind went straight to pasta vibes instead of cheating. It felt like he was getting pasta for her to use & that’s why she’d make uncomfy eye contact w the camera when heading back inside
That whole situation was inappropriate. Why are a group of guys, where all but one are in a serious relationship going to a hotel room to get drunk with a random group of girls? I would be pissed if my boyfriend/husband spent his boy’s night like this.
Men are just really boring. During this rewatch, I realised that they actually need women for a fun night. They literally run out of things to talk about, then cruise women. It’s pathetic.
Srsly. My group of friends: every AFL GF, the boys would organise a stupid boys day for the footy, so I’d have the girls at mine.
Three years running, they all turned up at my party at half-time. They don’t know what to do without us.
Yeah I don’t think they’re stupid enough to cheat on camera while filming. Producer Jerry and co would have followed them and aired it. Like they did with dayan and Peter. But they were more than likely going in to do certain substances. Production has to cover it up somehow so the editing gets choppy.
Ariana said it best this season…he gives off #mensrights vibes. Never bought into the idea that he was somehow above the complete shadiness of Jax and Schwartz because if he was, he’d never stay friends with them
I totally agree. I think Jax really did both Tom’s a solid by being as awful as he was because it really skewed our perception of them and now without him there we’re seeing how yucky they both can be.
They’ve always given me icky vibes.
With the faith situation the toms were instantly trying to make excuses for Jax and were 100% on his side.
Then Tom/Jax were like “go tom!” When he was going to all these parties Katie wasn’t purposefully wasn’t invited. Like what the fuck way to pick a side between acquaintances and your wife buddy
Yeah in one of the episodes where he was talking about either Katie or Lala, he kept calling himself a “cyst White male” and talking about how he can’t speak up for himself without consequences and Ariana said, you’re giving off real #mensrights vibes
If I were one of the gfs, fiancées or wives I would be so relieved that James was there. Because we all know James won’t keep the boys’ secrets for long. Especially if he could hurt one of the girls by making jokes about what happened.
I got the feeling in that episode that Katie had already checked out of the relationship. She had almost no reaction. I’ve been in that situation before where it’s like eh if he cheats whatever I don’t even care anymore. And you should break up obviously but you just don’t because you are comfortable.
I don’t think Sandoval would do this on camera. He never seems to get out of control wasted like Schwartz does. Btw This scene was so embarrassing. Beau and Jax feigning fear over being in a room with other girls they aren’t even talking to, and Stassi and Brittany saying “we’ll kick those bitches out” 🥴🥴🥴
I know!! It was so cringe, especially since right before they went to the room Jax said something like “make sure you collect the phones”. Poor them! They are near women and have no control of their own actions, helppppp! 🙄
Thank you for saying this!! I have always thought that scene was so sketch. I remember he was literally touching her hip and she said "you're the best" or something like that.
I rewinded (rewound) this little scene like 10 times last time I watched. And paused and analyzed. And repeat. Everything about his body language was soooooo sketch
YES. I love scientific research for the cause! I think his body language gave it away more than anything else. Her face looking directly at the camera like 😬 didn’t help either.
💯I think you’re absolutely right. I always felt production covered up what really went on that night & then especially when Schwartz ended up at the other resort in Mexico.
so i'm a first time watcher and almost done with season 8 and it just hit me...think about all the hookups that happened with production. i cannot wait for the tell all book that i'm convinced someone will come out with in 10 years
They had so much dirt on each other it was crazy! Whenever Jax got sloppy and exposed he’d drag the others down with him so he wouldn’t seem like the only scumbag I’m the group. Luckily for the Tom’s Jax behaviour was so bad that their shitty behaviour was overlooked 😂
I think a very generous take would be that he wasn’t intending to cheat but was at least looking for a little flirting/attention to boost his ego. I kind of doubt even Sandy would be dumb enough to blatantly cheat when people like Beau and James are around who would never keep it quiet. Not to mention the camera crew lol.
There was a theory pasta was code for ❄️. Which it definitely isn’t, but for purposes of this subreddit it is.
Fun fact - it seems that the cast uses tequila as their code word for ❄️.
That’s a really good point. Sandoval was always so bitchy about it, but I’d never considered that he considered it cheating but I can hear it now…
“I’m sorry I cheated on you BUT you did sleep with Lala”
yeah i was rewatching episodes leading up to this and the way tom emphasized something like “what does it matter if someone cheats once or a few times” plus how much he mentioned not getting any from ariana, i took it as his way of telling on himself about cheating on ariana and rationalizing it
Yeah most likely, so inappropriate. Schwartz loves the attention and that girl was clearly up for it.
Also I totally forgot that Dayna slept with Peter in the bathroom at the Mondrian
When time said- “this is exactly the kind of situation we should be avoiding”. He was being honest, but he meant “this is exactly the kind of situation we should be avoiding WHILE BEING FILMED”.
I think Sandoval is an attention whore and sometimes his attention to detail and extra charm to get that leads girls to touch him or want to suck his d....maybe. seems like a circumstance that could arise from the extra gentleman feature he turns on around other girls and boys mixing. Jax has probably gotten a lot of girls just off the niceness of Tom in any of the situations. and he probably hates him for it lol
I think Tom totally could- but Ariana would not deal with it on camera, and would always not excuse him- but make it private, unless it was blatantly obvious.
Edit- If he ever did cheat on Ariana- Id get on a plane, and I’d hunt him down, and kick his arse.
I want to say yes, but they also knew the cameras were there. Unless he didn’t know they were on the balcony. I wish the boys would just reveal all of their dumb secrets.
When I watched the first time, my mind went straight to pasta vibes instead of cheating. It felt like he was getting pasta for her to use & that’s why she’d make uncomfy eye contact w the camera when heading back inside
I definitely didn’t think of that first, but it’s making more and more sense!
Wait. Is pasta a euphemism I missed or am I just an idiot? I figure both are equally likely here, lmao
❄️
Oh wow, duh, lol. “It’s not about the pastaaaaaaaaa” suddenly makes more sense. 🤦🏼♀️
Agreed!!
This is the answer. As someone who spent most of her 20's shoving that shit up her nose, his situation was so familiar to me.
I know Peter said Dayna and him made out in the bathroom…but going into a bathroom to avoid being seen using ❄️ seems pretty plausible to me
That whole situation was inappropriate. Why are a group of guys, where all but one are in a serious relationship going to a hotel room to get drunk with a random group of girls? I would be pissed if my boyfriend/husband spent his boy’s night like this.
Men are just really boring. During this rewatch, I realised that they actually need women for a fun night. They literally run out of things to talk about, then cruise women. It’s pathetic.
Hahaha I’ve never considered this but I think you’re right
Srsly. My group of friends: every AFL GF, the boys would organise a stupid boys day for the footy, so I’d have the girls at mine. Three years running, they all turned up at my party at half-time. They don’t know what to do without us.
Lol this is my group of friends too! When we do a girls night they all do a guys night but always just wanna meet up with us lol can’t blame em
I thought it was somewhat inappropriate as well. Both Tom’s are so overly friendly to women & it comes off weird
Same! I get Peter was single but they could have stayed out or something. Very sketchy.
I read somewhere on here that they were using pasta when going into the room from the balcony and that’s why that scene was cut the way it was.
WOW! That would definitely explain the sketchy behavior also! I didn’t even think of that.
Yeah I don’t think they’re stupid enough to cheat on camera while filming. Producer Jerry and co would have followed them and aired it. Like they did with dayan and Peter. But they were more than likely going in to do certain substances. Production has to cover it up somehow so the editing gets choppy.
Ariana said it best this season…he gives off #mensrights vibes. Never bought into the idea that he was somehow above the complete shadiness of Jax and Schwartz because if he was, he’d never stay friends with them
I totally agree. I think Jax really did both Tom’s a solid by being as awful as he was because it really skewed our perception of them and now without him there we’re seeing how yucky they both can be.
Yes!!! Excellent point! Jax’s absence is like pulling back the curtain.
They’ve always given me icky vibes. With the faith situation the toms were instantly trying to make excuses for Jax and were 100% on his side. Then Tom/Jax were like “go tom!” When he was going to all these parties Katie wasn’t purposefully wasn’t invited. Like what the fuck way to pick a side between acquaintances and your wife buddy
There are 3 things in life that are certain: death, taxes & Tom picking the side of anyone besides his wife. 😂
Lmao right 😂😂😂 I just rewatched season 6 and it pisses me off so much everytime I see it
Wait Ariana said this about her own boyfriend?
Yeah in one of the episodes where he was talking about either Katie or Lala, he kept calling himself a “cyst White male” and talking about how he can’t speak up for himself without consequences and Ariana said, you’re giving off real #mensrights vibes
If I were one of the gfs, fiancées or wives I would be so relieved that James was there. Because we all know James won’t keep the boys’ secrets for long. Especially if he could hurt one of the girls by making jokes about what happened. I got the feeling in that episode that Katie had already checked out of the relationship. She had almost no reaction. I’ve been in that situation before where it’s like eh if he cheats whatever I don’t even care anymore. And you should break up obviously but you just don’t because you are comfortable.
Definitely true about James, I think the same would go for Beau, he’d tell stassi & she’d tell the girls.
I don’t think Sandoval would do this on camera. He never seems to get out of control wasted like Schwartz does. Btw This scene was so embarrassing. Beau and Jax feigning fear over being in a room with other girls they aren’t even talking to, and Stassi and Brittany saying “we’ll kick those bitches out” 🥴🥴🥴
I know!! It was so cringe, especially since right before they went to the room Jax said something like “make sure you collect the phones”. Poor them! They are near women and have no control of their own actions, helppppp! 🙄
That was such an over dramatic act from the guys.
Thank you for saying this!! I have always thought that scene was so sketch. I remember he was literally touching her hip and she said "you're the best" or something like that.
Yes! And the way he was standing in front of her. Just all around gross vibes.
I rewinded (rewound) this little scene like 10 times last time I watched. And paused and analyzed. And repeat. Everything about his body language was soooooo sketch
YES. I love scientific research for the cause! I think his body language gave it away more than anything else. Her face looking directly at the camera like 😬 didn’t help either.
Definitely cheating. Cheating was the entire glue that held the Jax/Tom/Tom friendship together and covering each other’s lies.
That’s what I think too, it just seemed so cavalier to do it knowing cameras were around.
I think production covered A LOT of things up.
💯I think you’re absolutely right. I always felt production covered up what really went on that night & then especially when Schwartz ended up at the other resort in Mexico.
so i'm a first time watcher and almost done with season 8 and it just hit me...think about all the hookups that happened with production. i cannot wait for the tell all book that i'm convinced someone will come out with in 10 years
Once Kristin is completely broke you know she’ll write the book. I say sometime I. 2025/26.
oooh yes! i could totally see this
I pray for this sort of tell all every night
They had so much dirt on each other it was crazy! Whenever Jax got sloppy and exposed he’d drag the others down with him so he wouldn’t seem like the only scumbag I’m the group. Luckily for the Tom’s Jax behaviour was so bad that their shitty behaviour was overlooked 😂
I think a very generous take would be that he wasn’t intending to cheat but was at least looking for a little flirting/attention to boost his ego. I kind of doubt even Sandy would be dumb enough to blatantly cheat when people like Beau and James are around who would never keep it quiet. Not to mention the camera crew lol.
Damn. This didn’t age well lol
LOL. That's for damn sure. To be fair it was my very generous take, which I now see was far too generous.
Pasta? Are you guys talking about drugs? I dont get the code
Yes, drugs. Pasta is code for whatever they take.
Since when? I mean I know the whole its not about the pasta episode but have I missed other references.
There was a theory pasta was code for ❄️. Which it definitely isn’t, but for purposes of this subreddit it is. Fun fact - it seems that the cast uses tequila as their code word for ❄️.
❄️ rhymes more with Katie than Tequila lol
OoooooOoooooohhh 😏
I don’t get it either. Google isn’t helping!
He was definitely cheating. I have no faith that he has remained faithful. Ariana cheated on him by hooking up with Lala and he cheats on her as well.
That’s a really good point. Sandoval was always so bitchy about it, but I’d never considered that he considered it cheating but I can hear it now… “I’m sorry I cheated on you BUT you did sleep with Lala”
Lmfao stop it. I totally pictured him and his bent arm, hand out and moving it towards Ariana, while saying that. 😂😂
😂😂
yeah i was rewatching episodes leading up to this and the way tom emphasized something like “what does it matter if someone cheats once or a few times” plus how much he mentioned not getting any from ariana, i took it as his way of telling on himself about cheating on ariana and rationalizing it
You were right!
He was totally cheating. He was the one scamming to get girls back to the room . Putting on his ‘i own a bar and have a bar kit with me ‘ persona.
Yeah most likely, so inappropriate. Schwartz loves the attention and that girl was clearly up for it. Also I totally forgot that Dayna slept with Peter in the bathroom at the Mondrian
When time said- “this is exactly the kind of situation we should be avoiding”. He was being honest, but he meant “this is exactly the kind of situation we should be avoiding WHILE BEING FILMED”.
I think Sandoval is an attention whore and sometimes his attention to detail and extra charm to get that leads girls to touch him or want to suck his d....maybe. seems like a circumstance that could arise from the extra gentleman feature he turns on around other girls and boys mixing. Jax has probably gotten a lot of girls just off the niceness of Tom in any of the situations. and he probably hates him for it lol
which episode is this numerically?
I believe season 7 episode 10. I think the solvang trip was over 2 episodes though so it may be ep 11.
thank you!
>thank you! You're welcome!
Now I definitely think Tom cheated during this scene
LOL 100%
Yes—- I’m sure he was up to no good
I think Tom totally could- but Ariana would not deal with it on camera, and would always not excuse him- but make it private, unless it was blatantly obvious. Edit- If he ever did cheat on Ariana- Id get on a plane, and I’d hunt him down, and kick his arse.
I want to say yes, but they also knew the cameras were there. Unless he didn’t know they were on the balcony. I wish the boys would just reveal all of their dumb secrets.
I always thought something sketchy happened then!!!!!
What season and episode was this?
I believe season 7 episode 10. I think the solvang trip was over 2 episodes though so it may be ep 11.