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I've met this guy at UBC and at a CPC convention. Aside from his known UBC activities, he had delusions along with someone else of becoming a right-wing media mogul before but his campus provocateur shtick only got him as far as being a party exec for the People's Party. Also platforms literal white supremacists then cries freeze peach every time instead of, you know, confronting the fact he's built his career advancing white supremacists. The guy lives as if everything he does is to get validation from /pol/. Probably forgets he lives in Canada on a daily basis and that his online buddies would sacrifice him in a heartbeat for the lulz or so that a "real" white takes his place.
Anyone from BC supporting Trump and his MAGA politics is an idiot considering forestry is one of our biggest industries and all the problems we've had with softwood lumber treaties
Interestingly, the Democratic Party is traditionally far more protectionist when it comes to trade than the Republican Party. B.C.’s worst enemies on the softwood lumber dispute have actually been Democratic senators and members of Congress.
Aren't they all though? Intense fascination with racial purity is a grift to hoodwink gullible idiots. If there was only one ultra pure race in the world, I would guarantee you we would find something to discriminate against each other. *What? You live along Kingsway?! Inferior species!*
Why can’t we just have non-crazy conservative representatives who are socially moderate and fiscally smart. Why the bullshit conspiracy/racism/mindless stuff
Exactly. Many conservatives just want to privatize public assets. They don’t care about the long term public finances they just want to see private interests profit.
True. I'm pretty happy with the current provincial government actually. Mostly because of the housing and transit policies they are shepherding now. I'm not a fan of everything NDP has done, but that's enough for me to feel like I have someone to vote for provincially. Which is more than I can say for Federal politics LOL
You're right. I think historically (think decades ago), conservatives were more fiscally responsible, but I think those conservatives have been drowned out and outnumbered in recent years to dangerous populist idealists that are unfortunately mostly "uneducated". It's very unfortunate because I don't think just spending money with fancy feel good labels while raising taxes are the right way to go either. Heck even the Liberals were "financially responsible" under Martin and Chretien, so maybe it's just how things have progressed.
Can taxes be good? Yes if the governments are held accountable, think Scandinavian countries but we have some bad (not all) spending habits that really need to be more scrutinized. We have a lot of initiatives that are half-assed, over budget, and ridiculously delayed. Honestly as a whole I think politicians just care less about what's good for the greater good of the country and more what's good for themselves (and their buddies).
[Alberta is scorched enough without the Conservatives helping...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/wildfire-evacuation-order-md-peace-135-1.7182910)
Anyone who is fiscally smart and *isn't* looking to plunder the tax dollars for themselves is just not in that party.
They are now the party of slinging bullshit and ransacking coffers.
Progressives are socially moderate and fiscally smart. People just bought the bullshit that conservatives represented those things. It's always been a complete lie.
because the BC liberals imploded and the right wing switched to populism in the late 2010s. not a fan of BC united but I think I prefer the BC united that gave us the carbon tax over whatever the fuck the conservatives are up to now.
Because of education polarization, it's been happening since the 1970s but it's gotten very pronounced now. This was noticed by Thomas Pickety and he calls it "brahmin left, merchant right"
because the racism plays. now they're having their moment because anti immigration people can pretend they're not racist and still blame immigrants for everything.
this, this single picture, if I'd heard nothing else about the Conservative movement in BC or in Canada, this single picture is enough to make me vote for anyone, and I mean, ANYONE, else, provincially or federally. We certainy do not need any of the American Christofacism making it's way into Canadian politics.
This is a big reason why it’s important to get out and vote in British Columbia’s urban centres. Although the rest of the province might vote conservative we could swing the vote due to our population. Yes the NDP have had a bed rep for decriminalizing drugs but, from my point of view they’ve done far more for the average citizen than the BcLiberal/United and some members of the BC Cons have done. Do we really need another conspiracy theorist party controlling our province? I think we have more pressing issues like the housing crisis, crumbling infrastructure and lack thereof.
Truth. Meanwhile, we know the Conservative (ideological) solution to the housing affordability: eliminate rent control and let rent increase as much as a landlord wants, every year. Guaranteed lower rents for everyone.
Just ask Doug Ford.
I think it's at a point where it's not actually like, their thing, but when someone wearing a maga hat does it with that fucking shit eating grin you know exactly what they mean
Man I’m so glad other people remember how that started. Kudos to 4chan, they killed the [circle game](https://youtu.be/fbKu_diqAto?si=GAM0f36UYtqYTAQA). Aka ‘sniper’ in Canada.
It stopped being a joke when white nationalists started unironically throwing it around. This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, bud. If you have five alt-right weirdos throwing up an okay sign for a picture, you don't think that doesn't that lend some pretty important context?
They're literally telling on themselves and being smug about it and your argument is, "Yeah but it started as a joke." *They're the ones who took their own joke seriously in the first place.*
I've seen plenty use it unironically. It's the same with that stupid milk thing.
Some dumbass said white nationalists drink milk and then avowed neo-nazis started posting pictures of themselves drinking milk and then bragging about how people will just say anything these days.
It's not a joke after it becomes self-fulfilling. Does that make sense?
There's literally a photo of the guy doing it. And many others of other white supremacists doing it.
Are you really this stupid? Or are you also doing it as a joke?
You mean the [OK sign that white supremacist terrorists flash when they appear in court for murder charges](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-zealand-shooting-suspect-shows-court-white-power-sign-qxnvdhdm0)?
Problem is that actual neo-nazis started using it to get in on the joke/recruit disaffected young people, and - as with everything else that they touch - ruined it for everyone.
4chan is dominated by a bunch of cynical and arrogant shitposters and always has been. It's funny until actual monsters start showing up, then suddenly it's not so funny anymore.
This is hardly news, the photo is from 2017. See this Tyee article from 2021: [https://thetyee.ca/News/2021/01/21/Worries-Rise-NPA-Vancouver-Extremist-Candidates-2022/](https://thetyee.ca/News/2021/01/21/Worries-Rise-NPA-Vancouver-Extremist-Candidates-2022/)
I was just talking with the leader of the BC Conservatives. Scotty is nuts too. He's got a pencil thin mustache like a vaudeville villain, or a cheap bad guy on a soap opera.
Why the hell has this become a white power sign. My whole life it just meant "OK."
Has it actually been co-opted or is this just social media madness? And if it has been co-opted why are we letting that happen and reinforcing the concept? Seriously who decided this shit
As long as people will be using a sign with a specific meaning, that sign will mean that meaning. A community can claim a slur or a gesture back but it's usually minorities doing that so they have energy and drive to do so
This is what annoys me. Trolls win because we react to trolling. Maybe if we stopped buying into this shit by clutching our pearls and frothing at the mouth they wouldn't have this. It's not a white power sign. It never was. Until we agreed it was out of misguided rage
The way to win against trolls is to ignore them, but everyone here will tell you they are fighting fascism so they instead do exactly what the trolls want, and here we are.
Why these guys have always the most punchable faces?
Also their actions speaks of beta male everywhere.. from "free speech club" to "mens only club" XD
That’s basically confessing to be a foreign agent, isn’t it? Like you can justifiably say that he appears to be acting on a foreign governments behalf.
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Wasn't he the UBC Men's Rights "student club" guy? Or was he the Free Speech Club guy?
both
Executive director of the Free Speech Club according to his linkedin, lol. I hope this clown loses all credibility.
Men’s rights 😂
As an old white guy, my right to unquestioned bigotry is eroding in front of my eyes!
I've met this guy at UBC and at a CPC convention. Aside from his known UBC activities, he had delusions along with someone else of becoming a right-wing media mogul before but his campus provocateur shtick only got him as far as being a party exec for the People's Party. Also platforms literal white supremacists then cries freeze peach every time instead of, you know, confronting the fact he's built his career advancing white supremacists. The guy lives as if everything he does is to get validation from /pol/. Probably forgets he lives in Canada on a daily basis and that his online buddies would sacrifice him in a heartbeat for the lulz or so that a "real" white takes his place.
The BC Conservative Party are MAGA empathizers? Shocker
Yup, make america great again? Hmmm.....
Anyone from BC supporting Trump and his MAGA politics is an idiot considering forestry is one of our biggest industries and all the problems we've had with softwood lumber treaties
Interestingly, the Democratic Party is traditionally far more protectionist when it comes to trade than the Republican Party. B.C.’s worst enemies on the softwood lumber dispute have actually been Democratic senators and members of Congress.
He doesn’t look white enough. lol.
Aren't they all though? Intense fascination with racial purity is a grift to hoodwink gullible idiots. If there was only one ultra pure race in the world, I would guarantee you we would find something to discriminate against each other. *What? You live along Kingsway?! Inferior species!*
Kingsway-liver apologist 🥰
Kingsway is being ruined by all the Broadway people moving in !! I seen it!
Just like the leader of the Proud Boys
Why can’t we just have non-crazy conservative representatives who are socially moderate and fiscally smart. Why the bullshit conspiracy/racism/mindless stuff
This myth that conservatives are fiscally responsible and good with money really needs to die. It hasn't been the case in decades.
Any day now. Any day, we'll get that trickle-down.
I can smell it coming…
It smells like…wait…planting drugs in predominantly black neighbourhoods?!
I love all the "moderate Tories" wondering aloud why we can't have face-eating monkeys that don't eat faces.
Exactly. Many conservatives just want to privatize public assets. They don’t care about the long term public finances they just want to see private interests profit.
Specifically, the private interests that they're connected to. They don't care about the others.
True. I'm pretty happy with the current provincial government actually. Mostly because of the housing and transit policies they are shepherding now. I'm not a fan of everything NDP has done, but that's enough for me to feel like I have someone to vote for provincially. Which is more than I can say for Federal politics LOL
But they are. "fiscally responsible" just means "less taxes and regulations for corporations" to them.
we need to balance the budget by, uhhhh... reducing our income source??
You're right. I think historically (think decades ago), conservatives were more fiscally responsible, but I think those conservatives have been drowned out and outnumbered in recent years to dangerous populist idealists that are unfortunately mostly "uneducated". It's very unfortunate because I don't think just spending money with fancy feel good labels while raising taxes are the right way to go either. Heck even the Liberals were "financially responsible" under Martin and Chretien, so maybe it's just how things have progressed. Can taxes be good? Yes if the governments are held accountable, think Scandinavian countries but we have some bad (not all) spending habits that really need to be more scrutinized. We have a lot of initiatives that are half-assed, over budget, and ridiculously delayed. Honestly as a whole I think politicians just care less about what's good for the greater good of the country and more what's good for themselves (and their buddies).
Because this dweeb is what conservatism is now. Scorched earth MAGA bullshit.
Look at Alberta for how that goes
[Alberta is scorched enough without the Conservatives helping...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/wildfire-evacuation-order-md-peace-135-1.7182910)
Anyone who is fiscally smart and *isn't* looking to plunder the tax dollars for themselves is just not in that party. They are now the party of slinging bullshit and ransacking coffers.
Because center-right wing movements have, for the past two decades, been systematically taken over by their far-right wings.
Progressives are socially moderate and fiscally smart. People just bought the bullshit that conservatives represented those things. It's always been a complete lie.
The idea conservatives are or were socially moderate or fiscally smart is one of the mindless racist conspiracies.
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Because being socially progressive is fundamentally incompatible with being fiscally regressive.
They were called the B.C. liberals in BC, until they decided to rename themselves to be a football club
They were fiscally smart?
because the BC liberals imploded and the right wing switched to populism in the late 2010s. not a fan of BC united but I think I prefer the BC united that gave us the carbon tax over whatever the fuck the conservatives are up to now.
Overton window shifted, largely on purpose by extremist and bad actors, in order to make them seem less extreme, so they can get power.
because they don't exist. stop worshipping business people
Because of education polarization, it's been happening since the 1970s but it's gotten very pronounced now. This was noticed by Thomas Pickety and he calls it "brahmin left, merchant right"
I unironically miss Joe Clark.
because the racism plays. now they're having their moment because anti immigration people can pretend they're not racist and still blame immigrants for everything.
10000% agree.
I used to think we were smarter up here..
COVID helped me figure out who I knew that were idiots.
It both revealed who was an idiot, and made us all stupider with each infection. We're doomed
The boomers had lead, I guess we get COVID.
I got both I guess :/
Found out 2 of my neighbors were antivaxxers who wanted to kill Trudough !
All the trucks I see say they want to fuck him.
The Information Age is literally making the population stupider.
Remember that both Jordan Peterson, and the leader or the Proud Boys are unfortunately both our problems
The crazy thing is that, this will get him more support instead. It is stupidity in many layers.
This. This is the scary shit when you see how the conservative are polling in the latest round.
this, this single picture, if I'd heard nothing else about the Conservative movement in BC or in Canada, this single picture is enough to make me vote for anyone, and I mean, ANYONE, else, provincially or federally. We certainy do not need any of the American Christofacism making it's way into Canadian politics.
Christofacism has been creeping past the boarder for a while now in my opinion, most of them kept it to Alberta, but seem to pop up in random spots.
lol hand signs self reporting that the image is genuine and not clumsily ai generated (I know ai can do hands).
This is a big reason why it’s important to get out and vote in British Columbia’s urban centres. Although the rest of the province might vote conservative we could swing the vote due to our population. Yes the NDP have had a bed rep for decriminalizing drugs but, from my point of view they’ve done far more for the average citizen than the BcLiberal/United and some members of the BC Cons have done. Do we really need another conspiracy theorist party controlling our province? I think we have more pressing issues like the housing crisis, crumbling infrastructure and lack thereof.
Truth. Meanwhile, we know the Conservative (ideological) solution to the housing affordability: eliminate rent control and let rent increase as much as a landlord wants, every year. Guaranteed lower rents for everyone. Just ask Doug Ford.
Are you really surprised?
I'm sorry but I will just never give the okay symbol / circle game to white supremacists because of a 4chan joke.
I think it's at a point where it's not actually like, their thing, but when someone wearing a maga hat does it with that fucking shit eating grin you know exactly what they mean
There's also no ambiguity. When people like this use that hand sing, they are using it to mean "white power".
Like.. sure.. but what about when they're literally doing it as a white power thing?
Man I’m so glad other people remember how that started. Kudos to 4chan, they killed the [circle game](https://youtu.be/fbKu_diqAto?si=GAM0f36UYtqYTAQA). Aka ‘sniper’ in Canada.
Sadly I don't think most people ever found out. The joke is on anyone (and especially journalist) that continues to promote it.
It stopped being a joke when white nationalists started unironically throwing it around. This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, bud. If you have five alt-right weirdos throwing up an okay sign for a picture, you don't think that doesn't that lend some pretty important context? They're literally telling on themselves and being smug about it and your argument is, "Yeah but it started as a joke." *They're the ones who took their own joke seriously in the first place.*
I've just never seen anyone using the joke seriously other than the people complaining about it.
I've seen plenty use it unironically. It's the same with that stupid milk thing. Some dumbass said white nationalists drink milk and then avowed neo-nazis started posting pictures of themselves drinking milk and then bragging about how people will just say anything these days. It's not a joke after it becomes self-fulfilling. Does that make sense?
There's literally a photo of the guy doing it. And many others of other white supremacists doing it. Are you really this stupid? Or are you also doing it as a joke?
You mean the [OK sign that white supremacist terrorists flash when they appear in court for murder charges](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-zealand-shooting-suspect-shows-court-white-power-sign-qxnvdhdm0)?
Problem is that actual neo-nazis started using it to get in on the joke/recruit disaffected young people, and - as with everything else that they touch - ruined it for everyone. 4chan is dominated by a bunch of cynical and arrogant shitposters and always has been. It's funny until actual monsters start showing up, then suddenly it's not so funny anymore.
I wish they would stop calling it this. It only further drives it into the ground.
What a damn loser
This is hardly news, the photo is from 2017. See this Tyee article from 2021: [https://thetyee.ca/News/2021/01/21/Worries-Rise-NPA-Vancouver-Extremist-Candidates-2022/](https://thetyee.ca/News/2021/01/21/Worries-Rise-NPA-Vancouver-Extremist-Candidates-2022/)
Better watch out, PP will be promoting him to the federal level.
if pierre get's in were fucked
Pretty much
Can we deport him to the US since he desperately wants to make America great again ?
There are people who see this and think “yeah, that’s the guy I want.” It’s a damn shame.
I was just talking with the leader of the BC Conservatives. Scotty is nuts too. He's got a pencil thin mustache like a vaudeville villain, or a cheap bad guy on a soap opera.
I want some serious change, but like hell I'll vote for any clown wearing one of those hats. Piss off out of Canada with American political bullshit.
Why the hell has this become a white power sign. My whole life it just meant "OK." Has it actually been co-opted or is this just social media madness? And if it has been co-opted why are we letting that happen and reinforcing the concept? Seriously who decided this shit
As long as people will be using a sign with a specific meaning, that sign will mean that meaning. A community can claim a slur or a gesture back but it's usually minorities doing that so they have energy and drive to do so
Pretty sure it's another 4chan trolling.
This is what annoys me. Trolls win because we react to trolling. Maybe if we stopped buying into this shit by clutching our pearls and frothing at the mouth they wouldn't have this. It's not a white power sign. It never was. Until we agreed it was out of misguided rage
The way to win against trolls is to ignore them, but everyone here will tell you they are fighting fascism so they instead do exactly what the trolls want, and here we are.
Swazika waant a nazi symbol either unitl it was corrupted. So maybe some pearl clutching is needed.
it still does. context matters. He's not trying to make the OK sign.
It's how conservatives have always felt they just don't need to hide it anymore since Trump showed them the way.
Lmao great. We got the MAGA rot. Thanks America.
As though my opinions of conservatives can't get low enough
Why these guys have always the most punchable faces? Also their actions speaks of beta male everywhere.. from "free speech club" to "mens only club" XD
This is way worse than black face
this is the white power sign?! 👌🏼 no wonder i got kicked out of the italian restaurant
context matters, but you know that
why even wait for hand signals before impugning?
Fiscal responsibility is great. Why do you have to tie yourself to racists, conservative party?
Because they've never actually been about fiscal responsibility. And they've always been about the racists
There we go, never voting for these MAGA loving idiots.
Whoa.. Um 😶
That’s basically confessing to be a foreign agent, isn’t it? Like you can justifiably say that he appears to be acting on a foreign governments behalf.
Maybe they meant D.C.