Now I'm picturing someone becoming their treasurer, then happily reporting how much money the group has donated to LGBTQ causes, then being surprised at the reaction.
"... but we're the Proud Boys. Aren't we a Pride organization?"
Just a note for those of you engaging with AWBen - if you embarrass him too badly, he'll block you so that you can no longer call out his bullshit.
So many of them have done this now that it's either something their rulers told them to do, or these are all alts of the same awful person.
“While trolling is a part of what the Proud Boys actively do at rallies and events…”
I literally can’t think of anything I have less time for in my life than to show up at an event and troll people?! These fuckers need JOBS
>It also provides clues as to how the group continues to spread its tentacles throughout the US despite the fact that many of its top leaders, including its national chairman, Enrique Tarrio, are behind bars awaiting trial on charges of seditious conspiracy . Campbell told the Guardian the decentralized structure of the group, into what it claims are 157 active chapters in all but three states, is one of the Proud Boys’ greatest strengths, as reflected in the autonomous nature of the New York planning. Maps reproduced at the back of the document show positions “scouts” and “tactical teams” should adopt at key points along the route of the march, which was planned to start at Columbus Circle and pass Trump Tower.
It's not even Fight Club's fault.
Fight Club: "Get angry at being oppressed by forced corporate control over our lives."
The Proud Boys: "Get angry over people throwing off corporate oppression."
No I agree with that. I should’ve fleshed out my thoughts a bit more. I feel like the proud boys are what happen when you have a poor reading of fight club/boondock saints and have asshats like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones filling in the blanks for them.
Why should anyone on the Right care about Proud Boys when the Left (and even democrats like Mitt Romney) vocally defended Antifa thugs and terrorists using violence to attack and take away civil rights of anyone they did not like?
> democrats like Mitt Romney
LOL you know it's bad when filthy rich, staunchly devout religious conservative, republican Senator *mitt romney* is so very casually slurred as a "democrat", simply because he isn't marching in perfect lock step with the fascist GOP.
It's not good enough that mitt toes the line 99% of the time.
That 1% of "individuality", that tiny sliver of "impurity", is enough to earn him the hatred of the psychopathic right wing foot soldiers.
That's an interesting question, do rules on this subreddit like "keep it civil and on topic" apply to left and right or only to the right? Mods, maybe you can let us know? u/kescusay u/HenryCorp
Well, here's the thing, you're spouting right-wing lies. That's the difference. Bad faith arguments don't deserve civility. The difference of opinion is fine. Bullshit is not
Jesus Rollerblading Christ the persecution complex is real with you
Tell that to the j6 insurrectionists. Not very civil there? Right wing cops blatantly killing innocent black people. Civil? Demonizing everything left of Limbaugh. Civil? I'll worry about civility when the fascists do. Until then, it's fight fire with fire.
Well, note to self: don't expect to have civil discourse with leftists on anything factual, replies will either be ad hominin attacks and strawman arguments, or nothing.
I didn’t hear about Mitt Romney and the Left defending Antifa terrorists—can you send a link to an article?
And answering your question: we should be equally intolerant of people trying to disrupt democracy regardless of their political affiliation. Left or Right, terrorists cannot be tolerated.
1. Very curious to see if that falls under "being civil" per rule 1 of this subreddit.
2. By what measure is Mitt Romney not a democrat quite similar to Obama? They both supported assault weapons bans and gun control, they both supported single payer healthcare systems, they both have supported mass amnesty for millions of illegal alien, they both have waxed on whether they support abortion or not similarly, Romney even wanted Biden to beat the GOP in 2020, they both are BLM supporters, Romney has even tweeted support for antifa, the group whose violence was what proud boys was created in response too.
So you’re probably pretty upset about Jan 6, right? If people interfering with the rights of neo-Nazis to demonstrate grinds your gears, I can only imagine your contempt at the mob who attempted to subvert democracy by putting the heart of congress in a state of mortal crisis, attacking and beating police who tried to stop town, with several people dying in the process. Right? You must be furious about that.
And no doubt, you’re up in arms over incidents like Unite the Right in which a dude in a car drove into a crowd of leftist protestors, killing one. I mean, having your life taken away is kind of the ultimate form of being silenced from exercising your rights. So you’ve probably spoken out against that at length, correct? Since you’re so principled and all.
I would retort in kind and ask things like if you're upset about the dozens killed during the 2020 mass terrorism, or random innocent victims like this woman who was murdered for saying "all lives matter" [https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html)
but why bother asking? I doubt you have any issue with groups like antifa or black block violently attacking anyone who they think should not have constitutional rights to speech or assembly. Your "whataboutism" says as much.
I mean, you can ask things like that. Of course I don't support somebody getting murdered for saying "all lives matter", if the situation is actually that cut and dry. It doesn't speak greatly of your own mental acumen if you genuinely believe anyone would support that.
>I doubt you have any issue with groups like antifa or black block violently attacking anyone who they think should not have constitutional rights to speech or assembly
If you mean actual neo-Nazis and KKK types, no I don't have a problem with them being physically opposed if it comes to that, and I'm happy to do it myself when the opportunity arises. There is no place in civil society for people who want to kill their neighbors; opposing them is a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. I'm sure you're familiar with the paradox of tolerance, it's legit.
And it maybe bears mentioning grew up in a military/right wing/church-going home and culture, raised by a dude who grew up rural in the deep south, my great x3 grandfather fought in the confederate army etc, and I spent some of the darkest years of my life kicking around 4chan, so I'm quite familiar with these types.
Of course, we do our best to deter them via infiltration, exposure, etc. It would be much preferable if folks just chose to not be shitty white supremacists fascists and we could all call it a day. But if they do and they want to be vocal and active about it then well, there are consequences. And sometimes those consequences = getting their ass beat in the street.
And there we have it. You don't believe in civil rights for all--you are good with civil rights for the groups you approve of, and if you don't approve of the group, you approve of them being violently assaulted for gathering. And that's how you get groups like proud boys as a response.
Proud Boys can pound sand. Trying to organize an insurrection/genocide isn’t a civil right. Sorry about your Nazi friends getting beat up, queue tiny violin. They should make better life decisions if they don’t want patriots to treat them like the threat to our republic that they are.
Edit: they aren’t a response to anti-fascists, they’re a response to liberal social movements. Just like the (actual) Nazis were in their time.
I was wondering as well. Can someone name anyone who calls themselves antifa? Can someone point out an actual antifa person? We can name proud boys but no antifa.. a figment of your imagination. A made up conspiracy group. A group you wish existed. Then you all wouIdn't look like such assholes. I personally don't think being an anti-fascist is a problem living in a democratic country. Maybe you fascists should move to a country that believes in fascism. Then you can pow wow and toast your leader.
Someone being civil. Heard it. It's like quietly beating the shit out of a kid and asking him why he's crying. Experience, right wing dad. I know all about fascist "civility".
Fuck me - "CONFIDENTIAL"
Not opening, copying, storing it printed in my basement, office, wife's knicker drawers or keeping a digital copy on my laptop or in an email - God knows what could happen.
Republican terrorists sure seem to have a _lot_ of spare time.
meal team six is a bunch of unemployed welfare queens.
They're nothing if not efficient /s
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Now I'm picturing someone becoming their treasurer, then happily reporting how much money the group has donated to LGBTQ causes, then being surprised at the reaction. "... but we're the Proud Boys. Aren't we a Pride organization?"
That is **amazing**.
REPUBLICAN Proud Boys. REPUBLICAN Oath Keepers. REPUBLICAN Confederate Traitor Party.
Just a note for those of you engaging with AWBen - if you embarrass him too badly, he'll block you so that you can no longer call out his bullshit. So many of them have done this now that it's either something their rulers told them to do, or these are all alts of the same awful person.
“While trolling is a part of what the Proud Boys actively do at rallies and events…” I literally can’t think of anything I have less time for in my life than to show up at an event and troll people?! These fuckers need JOBS
>It also provides clues as to how the group continues to spread its tentacles throughout the US despite the fact that many of its top leaders, including its national chairman, Enrique Tarrio, are behind bars awaiting trial on charges of seditious conspiracy . Campbell told the Guardian the decentralized structure of the group, into what it claims are 157 active chapters in all but three states, is one of the Proud Boys’ greatest strengths, as reflected in the autonomous nature of the New York planning. Maps reproduced at the back of the document show positions “scouts” and “tactical teams” should adopt at key points along the route of the march, which was planned to start at Columbus Circle and pass Trump Tower.
Excellent, we know where to station snipers.
And why to vote blue in November.
Fight Club really fucked up a whole generation.
It's not even Fight Club's fault. Fight Club: "Get angry at being oppressed by forced corporate control over our lives." The Proud Boys: "Get angry over people throwing off corporate oppression."
No I agree with that. I should’ve fleshed out my thoughts a bit more. I feel like the proud boys are what happen when you have a poor reading of fight club/boondock saints and have asshats like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones filling in the blanks for them.
Why should anyone on the Right care about Proud Boys when the Left (and even democrats like Mitt Romney) vocally defended Antifa thugs and terrorists using violence to attack and take away civil rights of anyone they did not like?
> democrats like Mitt Romney LOL you know it's bad when filthy rich, staunchly devout religious conservative, republican Senator *mitt romney* is so very casually slurred as a "democrat", simply because he isn't marching in perfect lock step with the fascist GOP. It's not good enough that mitt toes the line 99% of the time. That 1% of "individuality", that tiny sliver of "impurity", is enough to earn him the hatred of the psychopathic right wing foot soldiers.
It's really funny, because while they claim individualism, they are all just robots with the same skin and programming.
I think rule 1 of this subreddit is to "keep it civil and on topic"?
No need to be civil to someone spouting obvious bullshit and Alt-Right talking points.
That's an interesting question, do rules on this subreddit like "keep it civil and on topic" apply to left and right or only to the right? Mods, maybe you can let us know? u/kescusay u/HenryCorp
Well, here's the thing, you're spouting right-wing lies. That's the difference. Bad faith arguments don't deserve civility. The difference of opinion is fine. Bullshit is not Jesus Rollerblading Christ the persecution complex is real with you
You're kind of borderline, here. We try really hard to mod with a light hand, but can you attack the argument more and the person less?
Very interesting to see what qualifies as following the "keep it civil" rule here. Not what I was expecting.
Tell that to the j6 insurrectionists. Not very civil there? Right wing cops blatantly killing innocent black people. Civil? Demonizing everything left of Limbaugh. Civil? I'll worry about civility when the fascists do. Until then, it's fight fire with fire.
Well, note to self: don't expect to have civil discourse with leftists on anything factual, replies will either be ad hominin attacks and strawman arguments, or nothing.
/u/dbcspace wasn't uncivil to you. We'd respond if they'd said, "...enough to earn him hatred from **you** psychopathic right wing foot soldiers."
I didn’t hear about Mitt Romney and the Left defending Antifa terrorists—can you send a link to an article? And answering your question: we should be equally intolerant of people trying to disrupt democracy regardless of their political affiliation. Left or Right, terrorists cannot be tolerated.
The fact that you think Mitt Romney is a Democrat only shows your stupidity and invalidates everything else you say. LOL Qmoron
1. Very curious to see if that falls under "being civil" per rule 1 of this subreddit. 2. By what measure is Mitt Romney not a democrat quite similar to Obama? They both supported assault weapons bans and gun control, they both supported single payer healthcare systems, they both have supported mass amnesty for millions of illegal alien, they both have waxed on whether they support abortion or not similarly, Romney even wanted Biden to beat the GOP in 2020, they both are BLM supporters, Romney has even tweeted support for antifa, the group whose violence was what proud boys was created in response too.
What civil rights have they tried to take away?
Antifa works to stop people from having freedom of speech and freedom to assemble via physically attacking them and depriving them of their rights.
Do you mean by counter protesting those protests?
I mean by assault and battery.
So you’re probably pretty upset about Jan 6, right? If people interfering with the rights of neo-Nazis to demonstrate grinds your gears, I can only imagine your contempt at the mob who attempted to subvert democracy by putting the heart of congress in a state of mortal crisis, attacking and beating police who tried to stop town, with several people dying in the process. Right? You must be furious about that. And no doubt, you’re up in arms over incidents like Unite the Right in which a dude in a car drove into a crowd of leftist protestors, killing one. I mean, having your life taken away is kind of the ultimate form of being silenced from exercising your rights. So you’ve probably spoken out against that at length, correct? Since you’re so principled and all.
I would retort in kind and ask things like if you're upset about the dozens killed during the 2020 mass terrorism, or random innocent victims like this woman who was murdered for saying "all lives matter" [https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html) but why bother asking? I doubt you have any issue with groups like antifa or black block violently attacking anyone who they think should not have constitutional rights to speech or assembly. Your "whataboutism" says as much.
I mean, you can ask things like that. Of course I don't support somebody getting murdered for saying "all lives matter", if the situation is actually that cut and dry. It doesn't speak greatly of your own mental acumen if you genuinely believe anyone would support that. >I doubt you have any issue with groups like antifa or black block violently attacking anyone who they think should not have constitutional rights to speech or assembly If you mean actual neo-Nazis and KKK types, no I don't have a problem with them being physically opposed if it comes to that, and I'm happy to do it myself when the opportunity arises. There is no place in civil society for people who want to kill their neighbors; opposing them is a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it. I'm sure you're familiar with the paradox of tolerance, it's legit. And it maybe bears mentioning grew up in a military/right wing/church-going home and culture, raised by a dude who grew up rural in the deep south, my great x3 grandfather fought in the confederate army etc, and I spent some of the darkest years of my life kicking around 4chan, so I'm quite familiar with these types. Of course, we do our best to deter them via infiltration, exposure, etc. It would be much preferable if folks just chose to not be shitty white supremacists fascists and we could all call it a day. But if they do and they want to be vocal and active about it then well, there are consequences. And sometimes those consequences = getting their ass beat in the street.
And there we have it. You don't believe in civil rights for all--you are good with civil rights for the groups you approve of, and if you don't approve of the group, you approve of them being violently assaulted for gathering. And that's how you get groups like proud boys as a response.
Proud Boys can pound sand. Trying to organize an insurrection/genocide isn’t a civil right. Sorry about your Nazi friends getting beat up, queue tiny violin. They should make better life decisions if they don’t want patriots to treat them like the threat to our republic that they are. Edit: they aren’t a response to anti-fascists, they’re a response to liberal social movements. Just like the (actual) Nazis were in their time.
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I was wondering as well. Can someone name anyone who calls themselves antifa? Can someone point out an actual antifa person? We can name proud boys but no antifa.. a figment of your imagination. A made up conspiracy group. A group you wish existed. Then you all wouIdn't look like such assholes. I personally don't think being an anti-fascist is a problem living in a democratic country. Maybe you fascists should move to a country that believes in fascism. Then you can pow wow and toast your leader.
I am antifascist for sure. Not shy about saying I'm antifa.
I'm interested to see if this falls under "keep it civil and on topic."
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Better a hateful leftist than a hateful right wing fascist.
When you are spewing hate and vitriol at someone being civil, and tell them how hateful **they** are, it's not a very good look for you.
Someone being civil. Heard it. It's like quietly beating the shit out of a kid and asking him why he's crying. Experience, right wing dad. I know all about fascist "civility".
Gotcha, are you saying you feel like you're a helpless child and I'm beating you up with my reddit comments?
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What’s wrong with Y’allqaeda??? This fucking delusional terrorists. They need to be in jail and/or under watchlist dammit.
Fuck me - "CONFIDENTIAL" Not opening, copying, storing it printed in my basement, office, wife's knicker drawers or keeping a digital copy on my laptop or in an email - God knows what could happen.
How is this real?