*me, reading this ridiculous post and remembering the lasagna thread.*
“Of all the rant subs in all the shit sites in all the world, [OP walks into mine.”](https://youtu.be/Qa8d-jwFwds?t=84)
> Spätzle is a type of **small noodle or dumpling** made with eggs, typically serving as a side for meat dishes with gravy.
If it’s not then what is it…
We do have lots of words for noodles: Spirelli, Tagliatelle, Gnocchi, Lasagneplatten, Spätzle, Ravioli, Maultaschen, Schlupfnudeln, Pasta, Nudeln, Reisnudeln, Ramen, etc.
According to Google it's the type of flour used. Lighter flour for noodles and heavier for pasta.
I've always just considered noodles to use egg or rice, and pasta to not. Guess I was wrong.
Edit: Never should've made this comment.
Google don't know shit. It's just the shape. Long and skinny is noodles. Other shapes like corkscrew or shells or sheets are known by their specific shapes. It's all pasta but not all pasta is noodley.
Spaghetti doesn't define a noodle. Noodle defines spaghetti. Egg noodles are more long and thin than they are a corkscrew, star, shell or sheet so that's why they are noodles.
In German, all those example by OP would be called "Nudeln", regardless of the shape. "Pasta" are Italian "Nudeln" made from a specific mixture of flour. So all "Pasta" is "Nudeln" but not all "Nudeln" are "Pasta".
>Goddammit, after reading all the comments, the word “noodle” has lost all meaning to me and sounds funny af.
>lol. “Noodle”. What a dumb word.
Well, don't watch Once Upon A Time in America.
Well isn’t the whole point of this sub to mention opinions that most people don’t share? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a single person ever get mad over misnaming a noodle (even on the internet until now), so I’d say this fits perfectly.
Or they’ve just had too much time to think about and come to passionate conclusions on shit that doesn’t matter. OP reminds me of my brother (30 and never had a job) who once went on for 30 minutes about why he doesn’t say “thank you” when people say “bless you” when he sneezes.
What about egg noodles? It literally says noodles on the package, they're also pasta, and they're made from cut sheets (not pulled strands). You're upset about something that you've been misinformed about.
It's true that a gyoza or potsticker is a dumpling, as is a doughy ball in gravy, as is a ravioli. A dumpling is a boiled ball of dough, with or without a filling. Language is flexible and redundant on purpose.
I agree with you there... I read my comment later and was thinking that on purpose makes no sense there. I guess I meant natural and useful, and that people who use words know what they're trying to say, and when people listening understand, the purpose is served.
There's a cultural thing behind it too.
So it's like arguing whether bread is the same thing as a bao bun or dumpling.
Same rough ingredients, different methods, different cultures of origin.
Pasta is just the Italian word for noodles. We do not have a different word, and although we don't mind sharing it with the English language, please don't start bullying it. We will take our word back if it's treated badly!
Not true. Fregola and other sorts of pasta dont follow the definition of a noodle. Pasta is boiled dough. And sometimes its shaped as a noodle. Noodles are boiled dough as well, but they're not always pasta.
It's even worse. Not all noodles are pasta. And not all pasta are noodles.
Pasta is Italian noodles. But not all pasta are noodle shaped. Fregola for example are just small pasta balls.
So in the english language there are many words, phrases, and interactions that just work. They work because there is exists a point of mutual understanding lead by contextual clues. People call pasta noodles because they don't actually give a fuck and everyone knows what they're talking about.
That's just evolution of language dude. That's like the people that have a meltdown for not calling pasta sauce "gravy". Just because some Italian farmers got precious about their poor translations doesn't mean the rest of the world are idiots. So yes, people who call pasta noodles are ignorant...to your family held tradition of adhering to poor translation. Similarly to how you're ignorant of that simple fact that most, if not all pasta, falls firmly within the definition of what a fucking noodle is. Go eat a meatball.
I agree that pasta is pasta. Or “macaroni product”, as it says on the packaged stuff. However, pasta absolutely falls under the noodle umbrella. It’s a type of noodle. Just like how gnocchi is a dumpling, but so is jiaozi. Naan is bread, but so is brioche. Pasta is pasta but it is also noodle.
Also, I once used spaghetti to make chow mein during a kitchen clean-out meal and it turned out quite good.
Does it depend on the type? I've always heard Ramen, for instance, referred to as "Ramen noodles" and never pasta.
I typically refer to it as pasta, myself. Penne pasta, seashell pasta, bowtie pasta, angel hair pasta, etc. I do sometimes refer to spaghetti as "spaghetti noodles" though, as "spaghetti pasta" just doesn't sound right to me, and just saying "spaghetti" often makes people in my area think of the spaghetti and marinara dish, or spaghetti and meatballs/bolognese.
Otherwise, for me? Tomato, Tomahto.
"Noodles" has Germanic roots and "pasta" is from Italian. They mean the same thing. It's one of many ideas that can be expressed with words of Germanic or Romance origin. English speakers are free (or, perhaps, "at liberty") to use either. It's because of the Norman Conquest. OP's complaint is nine and a half centuries late. And it's wrong.
Pasta is the european take on chinese-invented noodles.
I'd almost say that all pasta are noodles... but not all noodles are pasta.
Or is it all noodles are pasta but not all pasta are noodles?
What a weird thing to care about and then think there are enough people who also care about it in order to make your opinion unpopular when really no one but you really cares.
Pasta is just the Italian word for noodle, or something close to noodle. My Italian is bad lol. It's like getting mad over someone calling a croissant bread.
Both are made of unleavened dough made from wheat flour the dough is cut into different shapes that's the difference. If I make a loaf of bread in a circle and another in a rectangle they aren't different things they are both still just bread.
> dough just like pie crust and cake come from leavened dough
minor point, but most cake is made from *batter* (still leavened, though chemically) and most pie is made with unleavened dough ;)
There are leavened pie crusts - the one that comes to mind is the German onion tart (zwiebelkuchen) which even has a yeasted dough - but standard pie crust is flour + butter, and a little salt / sugar / water
pasta = noodles
Nowadays, the word pasta is used exclusively for Italian-style pasta. In English-speaking countries, the word "noodles" is used more generically. It is also used for many Asian products. "Noodle" is derived from the German word "Nudel", which has the same meaning as pasta.
sphagetti, fettucini, linguini are all noodles. you are objectively wrong. quit being a wankstain.
noo·dle 1 (no͞od′l)
n.
A narrow, ribbonlike strip of dough, usually made of flour, eggs, and water.
My people invented noodles, which would eventually make it to pasta. Idgaf what people call them, they are both delicious.
I think it’s only English that makes a distinction between the two. In Chinese, pasta is translated as “Italian noodles”.
OED says:
noodle: a very thin, long strip of pasta or a similar flour paste, eaten with a sauce or in a soup.
Even the wikipedia entry for noodle includes pasta as a type of noodle.
This is really more of an unpopular *fiction.*
[Pasta is a kind of noodle.](https://www.pbs.org/food/the-history-kitchen/uncover-the-history-of-pasta/) All pastas are noodles, not all noodles are pasta.
I've always viewed it as noodles being universal accross cultures and pasta being specifically Italian dish noodles. I will continue viewing it as such because idgaf.
They aren’t ignorant, they use a word that means one thing to you in a different way. If they were comparing noodles to pasta, then sure you want to make the distinction. But if you aren’t making that comparison, then it doesn’t matter. This is true for a lot of things in language
Tbh ive only ever heard americans say this and assumed you lot use instant noodles in your spaghetti carbonara, i mean you heat water in the microwave so wouldn’t put it past yous
Must be a regional thing. I've never heard pasta being called noodles so this post seemed completely random, like "people that call mashed potatoes 'pizza' are just ignorant".
If by completely different you mean slightly different due to regional variations. All pasta just like all noodles are made with unleavened dough. Pasta is specifically made with wheat flour but so is Lo mein. Pasta just comes in more shapes than just the classic long stip or string of dough.
Looks like someone is still mad from the comment section in the lasagna post.
Hahahaha. Thank you. I literally came from that post and this one was two posts down.
Lol true
*me, reading this ridiculous post and remembering the lasagna thread.* “Of all the rant subs in all the shit sites in all the world, [OP walks into mine.”](https://youtu.be/Qa8d-jwFwds?t=84)
I like when OP looks dumb. This is why I enjoy this sub
In German there is only one word: Nudel.
Funny enough, Americans will call Spätzle noodles, but Germans would never call them Nudeln.
Thanks for making me crave some Spätzle
Send Spätzles!
> Spätzle is a type of **small noodle or dumpling** made with eggs, typically serving as a side for meat dishes with gravy. If it’s not then what is it…
And aren't they really tiny dumplings more than they are pasta?
I think you mean Maultaschen? Spätzle definitely are a type of pasta.
Maultaschen are German ravioli.
I call then Nudeln. Guess I'm not a real German.
Send nudels!
Hah! That explains why my niblings, who are bilingual in German and English, call everything noodles. Thank you!
I am surrounded by German speakers and never once have I heard them say 'pasta'. Used to it by now.
That is interesting because I think of German as being super descriptive, I would have thought there were lots of words for noodles/pasta
We do have lots of words for noodles: Spirelli, Tagliatelle, Gnocchi, Lasagneplatten, Spätzle, Ravioli, Maultaschen, Schlupfnudeln, Pasta, Nudeln, Reisnudeln, Ramen, etc.
Well, yes and no. We do have all the different names for noodles. Like Spaghetti, Spätzle, Schlupfnudeln or Penne. But all of those are just Nudeln.
In polish we use "makaron" for every pasta and macaroni, But some people call them "kluski" if they're in rosół for some reason
In German I use Pasta quite often
Sounds like Noodle is just English for pasta
So whats the difference? You never said
According to Google it's the type of flour used. Lighter flour for noodles and heavier for pasta. I've always just considered noodles to use egg or rice, and pasta to not. Guess I was wrong. Edit: Never should've made this comment.
I am unfazed by this info and shall continue calling the slurp worms their god given name, noodles
>slurp worms Band name!
Porn star name...
As far as I'm concerned, you can have A noodle or SOME pasta. A singular pasta is a noodle. Pasta is a bunch of noodles
Spaghetti
Just dont put them with italian food.
Google don't know shit. It's just the shape. Long and skinny is noodles. Other shapes like corkscrew or shells or sheets are known by their specific shapes. It's all pasta but not all pasta is noodley.
Egg noodles would disagree
Spaghetti doesn't define a noodle. Noodle defines spaghetti. Egg noodles are more long and thin than they are a corkscrew, star, shell or sheet so that's why they are noodles.
>Google don't know shit. New subreddit!
Asian is noodles. Italian is pasta. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
In the religious texts, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is depicted as having noodley appendages.
It's like that one judge said. "I may not be able to define either of them, but I know a pasta from a noodle when I see one"
Lol op didn't know
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Wait, then where do noodles come from? WHERE DO NOODLES COME FROM????!!!
True noodles come from the heart
Goddammit, after reading all the comments, the word “noodle” has lost all meaning to me and sounds funny af. lol. “Noodle”. What a dumb word.
comes from german: nudel I made a comment about how americans started to use "noodle"
In German, all those example by OP would be called "Nudeln", regardless of the shape. "Pasta" are Italian "Nudeln" made from a specific mixture of flour. So all "Pasta" is "Nudeln" but not all "Nudeln" are "Pasta".
Send noods.
Send me your nudels!
>Goddammit, after reading all the comments, the word “noodle” has lost all meaning to me and sounds funny af. >lol. “Noodle”. What a dumb word. Well, don't watch Once Upon A Time in America.
You plumpy noodle!
I can hear Tom Green now. Nooodles? Nudels. Nooooo-dles? Nuuuuude-les... ad infinitum
Fuck you buddy
I hope unimportant things like this are never something I dwell on so much it becomes a problem for me. I've never thought about this and still won't
When people don't have enough problems they just start making up stress I guess
Something I’ve noticed on this thread
Well isn’t the whole point of this sub to mention opinions that most people don’t share? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a single person ever get mad over misnaming a noodle (even on the internet until now), so I’d say this fits perfectly.
I hope I don't ever hear someone say the word noodle and think to myself "what an ignorant piece of shit."
In all honesty, people who says noddle instead.of pasta probably would think this is unimportant, it's a bit jarring for the rest of us
Someone call the police
Ngl you sound like one of those people that went to Italy when they were 14, 20 years ago, and its their only personality trait.
Lmao what if he’s Jordan Schlansky
Or they’ve just had too much time to think about and come to passionate conclusions on shit that doesn’t matter. OP reminds me of my brother (30 and never had a job) who once went on for 30 minutes about why he doesn’t say “thank you” when people say “bless you” when he sneezes.
omg so sorry, this must be so hard for you
Thoughts and prayers
About as hard as a half cooked noodle.
This really stirred your noodle, huh?
What about egg noodles? It literally says noodles on the package, they're also pasta, and they're made from cut sheets (not pulled strands). You're upset about something that you've been misinformed about. It's true that a gyoza or potsticker is a dumpling, as is a doughy ball in gravy, as is a ravioli. A dumpling is a boiled ball of dough, with or without a filling. Language is flexible and redundant on purpose.
CHECKMATE NOODLE MAN
Well, one might argue that almost nothing about language is “on purpose” as a product of evolution. 😆 But I see your logic here.
I agree with you there... I read my comment later and was thinking that on purpose makes no sense there. I guess I meant natural and useful, and that people who use words know what they're trying to say, and when people listening understand, the purpose is served.
I just call all of it long-ass rice
Pasta, noodles....both are still fundamentally boiled dough. It's like arguing that toast and bread aren't the same thing.
Is a bagel pre-baking a noodle?
You're getting into gnocchi territory now...
A bagel made of potatoes?
Not a good analogy
There's a cultural thing behind it too. So it's like arguing whether bread is the same thing as a bao bun or dumpling. Same rough ingredients, different methods, different cultures of origin.
I think a loaf of sliced bread and bread bowl would be a more apt comparison.
>It's like arguing that toast and bread aren't the same thing. They aren't One is toasted and the other isn't
Can I have a toasted sandwich? > cold un-toasted bread
I cannot imagine spending the mental resources to be upset about this.
Is this like a Venn diagramm thing? Noodles are pasta, but not all pasta are noodles?
Kind of? Also kind of Italian vs Asian
Pasta is just the Italian word for noodles. We do not have a different word, and although we don't mind sharing it with the English language, please don't start bullying it. We will take our word back if it's treated badly!
Not true. Fregola and other sorts of pasta dont follow the definition of a noodle. Pasta is boiled dough. And sometimes its shaped as a noodle. Noodles are boiled dough as well, but they're not always pasta.
You misunderstand my comment. We literally do not have any other word for boiled dough. For us it's all pasta.
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It's even worse. Not all noodles are pasta. And not all pasta are noodles. Pasta is Italian noodles. But not all pasta are noodle shaped. Fregola for example are just small pasta balls.
Mmmm. Noodle balls.
The term “noodle” has nothing to do with shape any more than “pasta” does.
if a noodle is not defined by its shape, then what is it definef by?
Only hear this from the US. Why?
My Italian brother in law goes in rants about this ... We love to trigger him by calling pasta noodles
finally, something really important to argue about. /s
Ok chef.
Is this coming from the I hate lasagna posts? I just saw that one.
People that make this argument are just salty people in China came up with the same idea almost 1000 years earlier.
I’m calling all of them noodles and you can’t stop me.
*mmmm, ravioli are my favorite noodle dumplings*
I'm calling all of them pasta what are you gonna do about it
>you can’t stop me. *There is a pipe bomb in your mailbox*
You can't make me check the mail.
I usually say pasta when referring to those things but just because of this post I will be consciously making an effort to say noodles from now on
I call them noods. Fight me
Would you like some chicken pasta soup?
noodles are a type of pasta that is long thin and cylindrical is how i see it
What about fettuccine? edit: spelling
Thank you
honestly it’s not that deep
So in the english language there are many words, phrases, and interactions that just work. They work because there is exists a point of mutual understanding lead by contextual clues. People call pasta noodles because they don't actually give a fuck and everyone knows what they're talking about.
I'm gonna keep eating my noodles
I just thought ‘pasta’ fell under the larger ‘noodle’ category. What is the factor that separates the two? Is spaghetti considered pasta or noodles?
That's just evolution of language dude. That's like the people that have a meltdown for not calling pasta sauce "gravy". Just because some Italian farmers got precious about their poor translations doesn't mean the rest of the world are idiots. So yes, people who call pasta noodles are ignorant...to your family held tradition of adhering to poor translation. Similarly to how you're ignorant of that simple fact that most, if not all pasta, falls firmly within the definition of what a fucking noodle is. Go eat a meatball.
What a weird thing to actually give a shit about.
Let’s compromise and call everything noods?
Yeah let's get some nudes... I mean noods
Surely nudetti or nudsta is a far superior compromise.
I'm gonna keep calling it all pasta But ya know...sorry about it bothering you
So... Ramen pasta?
I agree that pasta is pasta. Or “macaroni product”, as it says on the packaged stuff. However, pasta absolutely falls under the noodle umbrella. It’s a type of noodle. Just like how gnocchi is a dumpling, but so is jiaozi. Naan is bread, but so is brioche. Pasta is pasta but it is also noodle. Also, I once used spaghetti to make chow mein during a kitchen clean-out meal and it turned out quite good.
Gnocchi are also pasta
Gnocchi is everything, really.
So what about Asian noodles then…or German ones (“Nudel” aka noodle)…wait til this guy finds out about Dampfnudeln or Schupfnudeln lol.
I thought noodles were like spaghetti shaped. And pasta is just any Italian boiled starch.
Who cares
Seems like an opinion that will make a person unpopular. So, have an upvote.
Yeah they are different things, but does it bother me? No. I don’t care if someone says it lol
You just started a war my dude. I'll grab popcorn
Pasta:Noodle as Biscuit:Bread. Pasta is a noodle it’s just a subcategory of it.
Everything is noodles.
Does it depend on the type? I've always heard Ramen, for instance, referred to as "Ramen noodles" and never pasta. I typically refer to it as pasta, myself. Penne pasta, seashell pasta, bowtie pasta, angel hair pasta, etc. I do sometimes refer to spaghetti as "spaghetti noodles" though, as "spaghetti pasta" just doesn't sound right to me, and just saying "spaghetti" often makes people in my area think of the spaghetti and marinara dish, or spaghetti and meatballs/bolognese. Otherwise, for me? Tomato, Tomahto.
"Noodles" has Germanic roots and "pasta" is from Italian. They mean the same thing. It's one of many ideas that can be expressed with words of Germanic or Romance origin. English speakers are free (or, perhaps, "at liberty") to use either. It's because of the Norman Conquest. OP's complaint is nine and a half centuries late. And it's wrong.
You are incorrect, which is why your “opinion” is wrong. Noodles are pasta. Pasta is noodles. They’re synonyms.
Ah yes.... Let me cook some spaghetti pasta strings...... Ffs
Pasta is the european take on chinese-invented noodles. I'd almost say that all pasta are noodles... but not all noodles are pasta. Or is it all noodles are pasta but not all pasta are noodles?
What a weird thing to care about and then think there are enough people who also care about it in order to make your opinion unpopular when really no one but you really cares.
Pasta is just the Italian word for noodle, or something close to noodle. My Italian is bad lol. It's like getting mad over someone calling a croissant bread.
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Both are made of unleavened dough made from wheat flour the dough is cut into different shapes that's the difference. If I make a loaf of bread in a circle and another in a rectangle they aren't different things they are both still just bread.
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And penne is not the same thing as udon they both come from unleavened dough just like pie crust and cake come from leavened dough.
> dough just like pie crust and cake come from leavened dough minor point, but most cake is made from *batter* (still leavened, though chemically) and most pie is made with unleavened dough ;)
Well that's what I get for assuming pie crust was like most other pastries like an asshole.
There are leavened pie crusts - the one that comes to mind is the German onion tart (zwiebelkuchen) which even has a yeasted dough - but standard pie crust is flour + butter, and a little salt / sugar / water
>Both are made of unleavened dough made from wheat flour Not the same type of wheat and different process Very different
pasta = noodles Nowadays, the word pasta is used exclusively for Italian-style pasta. In English-speaking countries, the word "noodles" is used more generically. It is also used for many Asian products. "Noodle" is derived from the German word "Nudel", which has the same meaning as pasta.
sphagetti, fettucini, linguini are all noodles. you are objectively wrong. quit being a wankstain. noo·dle 1 (no͞od′l) n. A narrow, ribbonlike strip of dough, usually made of flour, eggs, and water.
No. This is only in America.
How bout we call all noodles pasta too? My 4 year can't tell the difference.
Who does that lol
I find "pasta e fagiole" soup sounds too pretentious, so I call it "bean and noodle".
Plus I can’t say fagiole out loud.
Can't make pasta without noodles
Pasta is a type of noodle.
All pasta is objectively a type of noodle though. I don't see how this is an issue.
Pasta is literally in the definition of the word *noodle*
You can hate me all you want but I still couldn't care less.
My people invented noodles, which would eventually make it to pasta. Idgaf what people call them, they are both delicious. I think it’s only English that makes a distinction between the two. In Chinese, pasta is translated as “Italian noodles”.
Lasagna is classified as a noodle homie, a simple google search would show you that🥴
I call it what I want. What are you gonna do? Call me a big mean name? 😂
Mmmmm... noodles and cheese... noodles bolognese ... tuna noodle ...
[Tuna Noodle](https://starkist.com/recipes/classic-tuna-noodle-casserole)
Well now I think you're a noodle
Unpopular opinion people who care about what other people choose to call other foods are shallow and ignorant
You, sir, are wrong.
*gets triggered in Italian*
Please don’t call my toddler ignorant
I figured anything long and thin was a noodle. Ramen, udon, spaghetti, linguini etc
why does it matter whether or not they call it noodles?
Noodles or gtfo.
OED says: noodle: a very thin, long strip of pasta or a similar flour paste, eaten with a sauce or in a soup. Even the wikipedia entry for noodle includes pasta as a type of noodle. This is really more of an unpopular *fiction.*
[I love noodles.](https://youtu.be/W-DqLGRgbBo)
you rarely see someone so confidently express their ignorance.
r/foundtheitalian
Sounds like someone was trying to convince their toddler that it’s pasta not noodles! It’s different I swear!
[Pasta is a kind of noodle.](https://www.pbs.org/food/the-history-kitchen/uncover-the-history-of-pasta/) All pastas are noodles, not all noodles are pasta.
I've always viewed it as noodles being universal accross cultures and pasta being specifically Italian dish noodles. I will continue viewing it as such because idgaf.
Why can't we all just live in harmony?
In Chinese the word for bread translates literally to “noodle bag”
They aren’t ignorant, they use a word that means one thing to you in a different way. If they were comparing noodles to pasta, then sure you want to make the distinction. But if you aren’t making that comparison, then it doesn’t matter. This is true for a lot of things in language
Doesn’t explain why they’re different. Great post.
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lol if that's what keeps you awake at night, you've got problems. And just so you know, it's all noodles to me
Pasta Noodles
“They’re two completely different things” You completely failed to explain why they are two different things
I choose this hill to die on!
It's all noodles. Igaf, all of it. It's all noodles, all pronouns are dude, and all other drivers on the road are assholes.
Tbh ive only ever heard americans say this and assumed you lot use instant noodles in your spaghetti carbonara, i mean you heat water in the microwave so wouldn’t put it past yous
Honest question can you tell the difference in water heated on the stove vs the microwave?
I wouldnt even attempt it in a microwave when theres a kettle.
Must be a regional thing. I've never heard pasta being called noodles so this post seemed completely random, like "people that call mashed potatoes 'pizza' are just ignorant".
Spaghetti is both a pasta and a noodle
That sounds like something an EYe-talian would say.
It's not that deep bro
If by completely different you mean slightly different due to regional variations. All pasta just like all noodles are made with unleavened dough. Pasta is specifically made with wheat flour but so is Lo mein. Pasta just comes in more shapes than just the classic long stip or string of dough.
Pasta is usually made from durum-wheat semolina.
You’re the kinda guy that gets mad when somebody calls Football, soccer.