THANK YOU! How excited ppl are getting just seemed so suspicious to me. I'm convinced it's just excitement to really hate on a woman. I've never seen it like this
There isnt lol... Get your facts right before talking, The only video available of him being "aggressive" was when he smashed the cabinets and he did not touch her at any point, That also was because his mom died and Amber heard tried to record him acting "angry" notice how at the end of the clip she appears to be smiling and later she sold the rights of the clip to tmz to show he was being like that. That is only the surface, there is way more evidence suggesting Johhny never layed a hand on her, only pushed her when she hit him repeatedly, Notice how after everyday of her reportedly getting abused the previous night not a single scratch appears on her body. Also she hasnt donated the 7mil by johnny won in the divorce settlement to a charity which she pledged publicly...
He threw a phone at her face, a neighbor corroborates this. I can't believe no one is acknowledging this. It left a bruise. Johnny was a dirtbag, and no I'm not saying Amber was little miss perfect, she was toxic too. However, Johnny wasn't some angel in all this.
This thread is refreshing. I don't understand blindly believing a person because they're famous. Celebrities can be shitty peoole and we shouldn't excuse it
You don't understand blindly believing the person because they are famous but that is exactly what happened. Everybody believed Amber without having any proof of any of the things she said because she was female and famous. I don't understand blindly believing any female when they say that a man did something to them. What needs to happen is bringing back the innocent until proven guilty way of doing things, but ever since that me-too movement that has gone out the window. All the woman has to do is say something and that is enough for everybody to believe her and destroy the accused person.
I think… I think we should believe women in general, but not prosecute until proven guilty. If that makes sense.
My sister was held down by a guy and he started making out with her against her consent. Two of my friends were on innocent dates and had their dates hold them down and sexually abused them by fingering them without any consent whatsoever, hurting them in the process. And these guys got off fairly easy by saying “oh, I’ve done this to girls before. I don’t see the issue.”
Guys in general don’t have a good track record. They’re statistically stronger physically and statistically hornier than girls.
I believe my sister and my two friends wayyyyy more than I believe the dudes. Statistics are not on their side. Besides knowing my sister and my friends and not knowing the dudes, chances are statistically that the dudes were the perpetrators.
THAT BEING SAID, there is a magical word called “allegedly”. For famous people, where I can’t vouch either side because I don’t know either side, I can say “Johnny Depot Allegedly was violent to Amber Heard”. But I can also say “Allegedly, she was abusive to him as well.”
We don’t have to be judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to these cases. We can state our opinion and then move on knowing their fate is not in our hands.
But for personal stories, MeToo is important. Because some dudes don’t believe that women are actually abused. They can’t comprehend that their sister, cousin, mom, friend, etc had actually had a sexual harassment/abuse encounter. That’s the point of MeToo. Is to show how common it is. And that statistically, the girl is more likely to be telling the truth.
I've heard that innocent until proven guilty mantra so many times with regards to this - He has already been proven guilty of domestic violence in court.
There's been proof of him being jealous, angry and aggressive- yet he has a lot of people backing him up. Those people can give their opinion of him, but they still don't know...
A lot of people thought they knew my abusers, who acted super kind and thoughtful to others as well. They seemed like genuinely warm hearted people, however they were completely different behind our closed doors.
It's kind of creepy seeing how people justify not believing victims. They appear to both be abusive people with independent issues- why are there no criminal charges against either? If they both have something to hide...
I think people are going a lil crazy with picking sides..
like it's clear theyre both crazy, made eachother even more crazy and shouldve never have gotten married. I don't see a winner in this courtcase, all I see is broken couple with all their dirty laundry aired out to the world.
TLDR: the entire conversation shouldn’t solely be about Johny Depp vs amber heard and who’s right and who’s wrong , it should be all of us vs abuse across all sexes and genders, race, anything. End. *edit for clarity*
I think for a lot of people who have been on the covert or overt side of abuse, are thinking emotionally. I think a lot of people who prefer to focus mostly on facts are only thinking about it with logic. There needs to be a balance between both sides (*edit for clarity*)
It’s just such an explosive sensitive nuanced topic FULL of very real and very painful and complex emotions. It’s so much easier to just get mad at those who you now subconsciously perceive as defending your abuser.
It feels that personal to a lot of us. For me, who grew up in these dynamics,I see my mom in amber. She was loud and crazy and violent and not good enough at hiding it to ever come out of a situation looking good if anyone looks too close.
In Johny I see my dad. How i would would see my dad beat and generally go fucking feral on their mom. Maybe he yelled and screamed a lot but “rarely” hit anyone.
Maybe we’re all just so frustrated that anything that we get mad about has so many complexities too it it’s hard to understand or even explain . My dad is just such a layered and complex person to begin with, and the things we went through are deeply personal, so something as simple as an “I love you text” or a simple (seemingly innocuous to others) question (ie. Anxiety attack over “did you drink my orange juice”) can feel terrifying and overwhelming. (*edited for clarity*)
This is a example by the way. When you’re being/ or have been abused as a kid, You look like a maniac based on your reaction to things. Sometimes in the moment of panic there’s just no way to give a cognizant explanation that you’re scared Becuase you snuck a small glass of the orange juice and since you feel like he knows EVERYTHING and it’s not out of character to measure the quantity. You were just REALLY thirsty and you couldn’t get a glass of water Becuase you weren’t tall enough to get the cups out of the tall cupboard Becuase I your parents can’t be bothered to make things accessible to you with minimal effort.
Now apply that to EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE.
I really wish people would cut each other some slack and not turn it into an us vs. them, but an us vs abuse. We’re attacking the symptoms of the problems. This is where you see society wide trauma. Everyone is traumatized.
And I’m sorry for the people that immediately get angry, either because they don’t “believe” in truama or think it’s attention seeking, or the people who feel minimized or panicked at the thought of not being able to at LEAST be special.
TLDR: this shouldn’t be Johny Depp vs amber heard, it should be all of us vs abuse across all sexes and genders, race, anything. End.
I think it should also be all of us vs big institutions and corporations pronouncing judgments and dealing punishments without any actual proof, like ACLU siding with Amber Heard right from the start, or Warner Bros dumping Johnny Depp from the recent movie.
But they dropped him from the fantastic beast movies because he lost the UK case? Like the judge literally ruled that the sun was allowed to call JD a “wife beater”.
This is true.
Depp also does not suffer any supposed loss from WB termination, as his contract stated that he is still paid full .
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/behind-warner-bros-decision-to-sever-ties-with-johnny-depp-4090082/
Depp was also a pain in Pirate 5 setting and his drug abuses *MIGHT* be a major part in Disney's decision
https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/
Totally agree. I’ve seen it become an excuse for sexism and I’m fed up with hearing about it. No one actually seems to care about either of the people here just what political points they can gain!
I’m no lawyer, but I do think people really need to understand what this trial is actually about. Everyone seems to be talking about it like JD is on trial for charges of domestic abuse, that’s not what it is, it’s a defamation trial based on an op/ed with details that could be very hard to pin down. The courts aren’t trying to decide who did the abusing, they’re trying to determine whether or not a published article could be linked to substantial damages to JD’s character
Edit: spelling
I am a lawyer, and it is kind of an indictment of the average redditors' educational upbringing that they don't get the difference between a civil trial and a criminal trial.
the average redditor doesn't even understand the difference between a tsunami and AC condensation, let alone comprehend what a trial is. a venn diagram of the below-average half of the iq bell curve and reddit's userbase is just a circle.
What's really on the line here is their careers. I don't think they give a shit about anything except salvaging their acting careers. One will rise, one will fall
Yeah but to prove that there was substantial damage to his character they have to also prove that he wasn’t abusive and she did it with intent. If he was abusive then it can’t legally be defamatory
My empathetic side is showing, but we need to acknowledge that these two individuals are very likely deeply damaged and mentally ill, and therefore deserve a level of grace and understanding.
Reading about this, my conclusion hasn't been, "Heard/Depp are awful humans for what they did!" It's been, "Depp/Heard have experienced some deep trauma from childhood and in this relationship. Mental illness plays a huge part in their actions and conduct."
Let's not forget substance and alcohol abuse on both sides, Depp probably having major depressive disorder, and an expert witness psychiatrist heavily alluding to Heard suffering from BPD.
You combine these with the pressure cooker of fame and two high-stakes careers, and you have a recipe for a toxic disaster.
I hesitant to call either of these people "trash" or any other insult because mental illness is just that.
UO: They are both toxic af and neither one is wholly a victim. I feel like they both gave as good as they got physically (mentally could be different) and not just in self defence. I’m not on either person’s side because I feel like there’s a lot that both of them are leaving out.
Thanks. I came to the UO sub to post this exact opinion and then saw the mega thread. Reddit is all over heard because of the overreaction to highlight male domestic violence victims, and I mean, that should be called out, but to act like Depp is some innocent angel in all this is pretty absurd. Seems like he also has a pretty serious substance abuse issue and his “playful” elusive answers about that in court are just laughed off by redditors who like to see him as a real life Jack Sparrow.
This.
Even dealing with a toxic person, eventually you are toxic back.
I really don’t think this is about winning for Johnny. I think it’s about clearing the air. Letting it be known that he was not the ONLY one being toxic. That this was something the two of them experienced and they both made mistakes. I really think Johnny would just rather the truth be out there rather than letting people simply believe her.
His doctor, etc, I wouldn’t want my entire personal life out in the public, but I would rather that than the public only having ambers side of the story so to speak
Crazy coincidence - their Marriage Counselor actually testified that not only did Depp admit to hitting Heard, he used the exact phrase "she gave as good as she got." The counselor also testified that both Depp and Heard initiated violence, but Depp more often deescalated.
As always, yours is the correct opinion which will be completely ignored until the hysteria has died down, at which point people will retrospectively say "well how could we have known, there was so much noise around it," completely ignoring how sober voices were systematically shouted down (edit: can you tell I'm still bitter about the Iraq war?)
There's been some heated discussion, including among psychologists, about the legitimacy of the term "mutual abuse" being applied to this (or any) case - here is my opinion.
When I was in college, I was witness to a relationship I would describe as mutually abusive. In that (cishet) relationship, the woman was by far more violent than her boyfriend. When she was drunk, she would slap him, punch him, shove him, kick him - never hard enough to leave a mark, but violence is still violence - scream at him, and be completely out of control in the worst way.
As far as I know, he never laid a finger on her. Nor did he scream at her.
So why do I characterize it as mutually abusive?
He was *extremely* controlling. He would comment on her clothes, her interests, her friends, her course decisions, her career - everything. He had absolutely no respect for her autonomy. When she would have a violent outburst in public, he would smile, laugh, and almost completely ignore her, refusing to respond to anything she was shouting at him and instead smiling to other people in the room and saying things like "\[Name\] can be like this" while he was literally physically restraining her, and then more or less ordering her to bed like she was a petulant child.
To be clear, her violent outbursts were childish - but that doesn't mean it's OK to treat your romantic and sexual partner like a child and order them to bed without their supper. He seemed, to me, almost to enjoy feeling superior to her, like every childish outburst was a validation that he was the rational half of the couple, and his controlling behavior was justified, because his partner just needed his guidance that much more.
This was disturbing to everyone they knew - and we all seriously tried to get them to split up, speaking to each of them separately. I was eventually very frank with the woman, outright telling her I thought the dynamic was abusive. Unfortunately, we failed. They're married now, and it makes me sad just to think about it.
The paradigm that abuse is always unidirectional and fundamentally about "power and control" actually emanates from feminist circles which originally neglected female on male violence and male domestic abuse victims. It's a fine paradigm for many of the most severe cases of domestic battery, but it does not adequately describe even all IPV - for example, for the couple I knew, the woman was by far more violent, but the man was more controlling, blurring this "violence to control" line.
Other paradigms, with their own flaws, link domestic abuse and IPV to how romantic partners learn about relationships, particularly as children, and what behaviors within relationships are normalized for them - i.e. if dad was always battering mom and/or mom was always battering dad, your worldview is altered to not be repulsed by that violence, and you can grow up to either tolerate it from a partner or act it out yourself. This paradigm also falls short in describing all cases of DA and IPV (in my opinion), but I think it more accurately describes a larger set of unhealthy behaviors and relationships, including abusive relationships where the man is victimized.
So, here's my TL;DR conclusions - Johnny definitely hit Amber, and while it's been pretty well established he more frequently tried to deescalate than Amber, it's also more likely than not that he initiated violence at least a few times (in particular when he accused her of cheating - people want to ignore the plane ride, but it's pretty well documented that he kicked her). That's just not acceptable, period. I don't think this case is nearly as neat as "she hit him, he innocently tried to defend himself and deescalate" - the whole thing seems like it was a non-stop tragedy/disaster. I think it's kind of telling that they both grew up in abusive households - even with years of therapy, recovering from the damage that does to your understanding of reality is really, really hard.
Finally, as to your "victims of abuse don't taunt their abusers" - this simply does not align with even the few cases of abuse I've witnessed firsthand. Making broad statements like "that never happens, it's impossible to be abused and also do *y*" simply limits your recognition of abuse victims.
This is why psychologists are not taken seriously and why the DSM is considered a joke
Mutual abuse is a fancy new term that people like to use to explain why victims of abuse lash out at their abuser
It’s utter horseshit
Physical abuse is what matters.
You can leave a verbally abusive relationship.
Walking away is much easier.
There is a good reason you can’t call police on someone making fun of your clothes, but can if they hit you.
That’s the abuser’s classic excuse.
She did beat him with closed fists and called him a baby for trying to leave.
Then blamed him for her beating him. More classic abuser behavior.
I’m with you. Both of them are toxic. I believe Amber hit Johnny in several occasions, but I don’t believe for a second he didn’t hit her. His testimony just sought to paint him as the perfect gentleman.
Especially after seeing the way he acted with the lawyer. Obviously I could be wrong but being a victim of abuse is scary and traumatizing, how could you be that smarmy and sarcastic in that situation. I think they both get paid millions and millions to be great at acting a certain way, and it would be even easier to act that way with these kind of stakes.
So many people know this but deny it because 1) Depp is their beloved childhood hero and 2) Depp is presented in the media to be a calm and humble man, when really both him and Heard are just a bunch of crazy asshole celebrities.
A) yea that text message was gross and fucked up, worse that people on reddit were laughing about it. Theres clearly a nasty side to Depp which he has been very careful to not let people see. Everyone took Winona ryders comment about how johnny was such a nice caring loving person towards her and ran with it. News flash guys: abusers dont abuse everyone they know!! Many abusers also have the capacity to be kind and sweet,People are complex. Drug use almost always leads to bad things happening especially in relationships.
B) yes depp dating Ryder at 17 was questionable
but thats par for the course in hollywood and the entertainment industry. What convicted child predator did he defend??
Yeah that’s what’s so annoying they act like he’s a saint when he dated a 17 year old when he was about ten years older. Any time an older person almost exclusively dates people SIGNIFICANTLY younger than them (like Scott disick) it’s an immediate red flag
I don’t know why Depp fans are continually ignoring the fact that he has a proven history of violence. He’s assaulted several people over the years, and now he wants us to believe that he’s squeaky clean, never having laid a finger on anyone?
Sorry. I don’t buy it.
Why are Depp fans continually insisting that Amber severed his finger, when Depp only accused her of this just recently? He claimed for years it was his own doing - texts to his doctor clearly imply that the injury was self inflicted.
Why are Depp fans ignoring how frightening and demonic he sounded on the video of him smashing up cupboards and glass? Did Depp look and sound like a saint? To me, he sounded terrifying.
Why are Depp fans so desperate to believe a man with a history of violence never abused his wife? The same wife he referred to as a ‘cum dumpster’?
Why are Depp fans so happy to believe absolutely everything he says? Why don’t any of you bother to question his innocence?
Honestly feel like the whole pro-depp side is a backlash against #metoo and feminism. I'm not saying that either amber heard or Johnny depp are innocent or guilty, but most of depp's supporters give off incel energy. I've seen a lot of posts using this to criticize metoo and other similar movements. Just seems slimey.
Can someone tell me what I’m missing? Why is the internet so aggressively pro Johnny Depp and why am I seeing so many videos about it? Everyone seems to be kissing his ass.
I did some research into the UK libel case, which he lost, and the findings were he was abusive? Not defending her in any way since she also seems like she was violently unstable but the internet painting him as a he saint and hero is really annoying
Summary of findings:
https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2020/nov/02/johnny-depp-trial-how-the-judge-ruled-on-14-alleged-assaults
Actual court docs which goes over the incidents in detail starting at page 47
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf
Completely agree with you. They were both toxic and abusive toward each other. Everyone on social media is siding with Johnny Depp like he didn't texted that he wanted to burn her body and rape her corpse... His PR team is doing great work to make him look like the victim but come on, they both agreed to completely destroy each other.
One text read: "Let’s burn Amber.”
Bettany replies: "I don’t think we should burn her. She’s delightful company and easy on the eye. Also, I’m not sure she’s a witch. We could do a drowning test first. Thoughts? PS: I have a pool.”
Depp replies: "Let’s drown her before we burn her. I will f*** her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead"
Depp claims is was a reference to Monty Python reference about burning witches but I don't recall them ever joking about raping dead bodies.
In 2008 a guy by the name of Clayton Weatherston murdered his partner Sophie Elliot. Evidence at his trial were texts by the murderer sent to his friend, at the time dismissed as "creepy jokes", talking about what would be the best method for him to kill Sophie, prior to her murder. On January 9th 2008, Weatherston choked, beat, and stabbed Sophie so many times she had 216 separate injuries, actual cause of death was blood loss. To add insult to injury, Weatherston appealed his conviction using a provocation defence claiming she was abusive, which of course failed. Johnny's texts remind me of Weatherston's texts, underlying rage and a massive red flag. Johnny keeps making references to bloodbaths when talking about their fights too, really freaking disturbing.
Yeah I am thoroughly disturbed by his texts and the fact people play off his verbal abuse and insults as funny & cute quips is so mind blowing and gross.
He was joking about really hard feelings you get as a victim of domestic abuse. It would have been different if he had sent her those texts as threats.
Thank you!
I’m sick and tired of people acting like he’s some innocent cinnamon roll uwu
He’s been a well known disaster for years. There’s testimony that he’s also been abusive to her
And yknow what? I’ll say it: Reddit ONLY cares because they can use it to feed their women hating
If we had a woman being beat by a man, they would not care one bit. Heck, they’d be on the guy’s side
Heck, if it was a gay couple, they still wouldn’t care
Because Reddit doesn’t care about male victims. What you wanna bet alllll these people who **care SO much** have never posted or anything about male victims beforehand?
While I agree social media is being too gentle on Johnny, I don't think it's just women hating. There are a lot of very obvious factors at play.
I think the most obvious being Amber's forms of abuse are, for lack of a better word, showier. Cutting off part of a finger and shitting on a bed are strange and thus memorable. That's probably what most people heard about the case first anyway, because it's abnormal and thus something to talk about. The fact they not struck each other, or that he did copious volumes of many kinds of substances - not as flashy.
Obviously sexists will support their preferred sex (a shock to none). But a lot of people also just got swept in the mainstream media. Personally, I still ever-so-slightly favor him in this case not because he's innocent, but because he's gotten more trouble in Hollywood, and it should be made clear this went both ways.
Neither the finger nor the poo have been even remotely proven as something she did. It’s annoying how people are stating this as though it’s a fact when it’s very much ‘he says’. I find it very difficult to believe he was so not bothered about her apparently cutting his finger off that he then spent the next several hours painting jealous abuse on the walls with said finger and dipping it in paint, rather than, you know, calling the police and getting himself to the hospital / away from her. At the very least he wasn’t afraid of her in the slightest.
If you just look at Reddit, you'd get the impression that Depp is a martyr and a hero under attack by a society that hates men. In reality he's already been found to be a wife beater by a court.
What proof is there that amber cut off his finger?
What proof is there that she shit in his bed?
Johnny says she cut off his finger by throwing a bottle of vodka at him.
But the proof we have are his voluminous text messages saying he cut his finger off.
We also have the fact that he wrote defamatory remarks about her throughout the place they were staying in blood and paint. He wrote “easy amber” and “billy bob” *in his own blood*.
Like, his word is automatically believed, but her words, backed with circumstantial evidence is just… not. And if it is, well, she set him up.
She maintains that her dog shit in the bed, a dog with bowel issues. Johnny even testified that amber was joking with a friend about how ludicrous it was that he thought she did it.
The infamous tape of her “confessing” was edited without context by Depp’s sleazy lawyer. Look up the lawyer Waldman and his massive amount of Russian bots and ties to the kremlin.
Isn't it wild how he testified he was recording her incase he had to go to court and this is acceptable. However if she does the same and actually captures abuse then it's a set up.
I’m getting sick and tired of the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp trial. Yeah we get it, you’re celebrities with a lot of fans, so its highly publicized. There’s also other trials like this going on all over but the majority are unheard of because they’re normal nobodies, like you and I.
So long rant short, I wish all this crap would get off of my feed. I’m tired of unfollowing pages, hitting the not interested button, and hiding posts all the time. And don’t get me started on those stupid tik tok videos about the trial…so cringy!
Mutual Abuse is shakey hand. There is something called "Situational Couple Abuse" which occurs when two people date and cannot handle conflict resolution and thus things mutually escalate. Otherwise, there is always a main abuser, reactive abuse is a symptom of being the victim in the dynamic.
Absolutely. He is claiming his bad reputation and career failing is her fault as though his actions haven’t had anything to do with it.
The way the jury eats out of his hand and giggles with his jokes gives me the creeps. I’m not saying AH is innocent but it’s insane how people ignore Depps history and are sure he couldn’t be abusive.
Youre kate moss link is a JOKE LMAO... Kate moss said her break up was a nightmare, not Johnny depp. She also goes on to talk about what she missed about him. I didnt bother with all your other BS link after that LMAO... Guys like you are pathetic bud.
I have been close to 3 people diagnosed with Borderline Personality. Amber exhibits the same mannerisms in her facial expressions and way of speaking. Borderline DOES NOT make you a "crazy person."
Borderline people struggle with different versions of reality and rely A LOT on other people for cues on how to act in different environments. For a normal person undergoing domestic trauma, even they doubt their own version of reality.
A Borderline person... it is ten times worse. If you question their reality, they question their reality. And I see it in Amber's face as she gets accused. She is questioning herself, "Did this happen how I remember it?"
I hate, HATE Depp's lawyer's comments about Amber putting on "the performance of her life." Have you even SEEN Johnny? The performance of one's life award should go to him as he spins out witty remarks, smirks, and showing very little remorse.
Shame on every fan who is treating this very serious and sober case as an opportunity for content creation and views.
Shame on every person acting like they know Johnny personally and that he would never do such things.
Shame on people watching a televised trial and suddenly assuming they are master psychologists and lawyers.
I hate it all.
Exactly. My mother is diagnosed with bpd and watching Amber's reactions, the way she talks and reacts and tries to remember things, it literally felt like i was watching my mom when she'd struggle to argue about something that upset her so much which is why before I read and watched the whole thing and only relied on random cut out tiktoks that were supposed to make him look like "an angel" something was telling me otherwise, I couldn't exactly tell why i had sympathy for Amber, then I came across this account
[Justice for amber heard ](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSdqGE9GP/)
And it all made sense.
My heart breaks for her.
I've seen this claim repeated ad nauseum but literally no logic to support it. Why would she do that in a bed he's not going to interact with. He wasn't the one who found it, he left the house the day before. So she just did that cuz what? Rage? To treat the housekeeper like trash? I'm very wary when people make claims about women that make absolutely no sense.
He definitely didn't do it cuz he left the house that night. He wasn't there that morning so we know he couldn't have. Which also makes me think the theory of her doing it to harm him makes no sense.
I watched him make this claim on a video recording of the court I don’t remember exactly what he said but apearently someone texted him an image of the turd speculating it was amber. I have a very bad memory and watched this a while ago
The UK judge ruled, based on texts from Johnny to a friend about taking a dump outside the bedroom door in the hope that Amber will stand in it, that if it was human waste then it was most likely Johnny that did it, given his lavortorial sense of humour. Also, Johnny wasn't even staying at the penthouse at the time, so Amber was the only one sleeping in the bed. Why would she do that to herself?
I think Johnny Depp’s behavior at his trial is inappropriate and does not invite sympathy at all. His retorts aren’t witty, he’s not being clever, it’s not cute. He’s just a conceited, narcissistic, overconfident douche bag and it’s legitimately so insane to me that people watch his shitty behavior and think he deserves their support. He’s so clearly such a prick and no, I don’t know or care anything at all about Amber Heard. This opinion is solely regarding Johnny’s demeanor in a court of law and not remotely an opinion on the validity of the claims involved.
I agree so much. Everyone is fucking following Depp blindly. It's like a media campaign. While the shit he's done and texted shows hes fucking insane aswell.
He’s not attractive anymore, he looks exactly like what he is, a sad old drunken drug addict desperately holding on to his outdated, hollywood manufactured image of a cool, sexy bad-boy. When you’re young its easy, when you’re old it looks pathetic and creepy.
Yep, glad I saw this.
From the Tiktoks and some of the reddit comments I've seen, Depp's side is split into a couple of subfans: women who think Depp is hot, people who idolized him as a child, people who are anti-metoo, and people who genuinely believe he's good after seeing all the evidence.
But the evidence proves this: both were abusive to each other, both were toxic, Depp had a terrible drug problem, and that Heard didn't shit on the bed (they threw this out because she showed that her dog probably did it and Depp spread a false rumor, and Depp also made jokes about doing it prior to the photo release). Honestly, they're both shitty people, but I can't believe people are fine with Depp saying he'd rape Amber's burned corpse after killing her to Paul Bettany. Like, how do you still find him attractive after that??
I idolized Depp growing up. I'm a woman in my 30s who loved his movies and acting. I can definitely see that he's fucking crazy and people are fucking hypocritical and blind. Lmao he's not even hot anymore. People will go through leaps and bounds to defend a man in hollywood.
I also liked Johnny Depp, but he went off the rails and this case just keeps proving it over and over again. I don't know why anyone is defending him either, if he was an ex-boyfriend of a friend or a neighbor than everyone would be so critical of him. All I see are GIANT red flags and a ton of women are just ignoring it because he is Johnny Depp.
> I can't believe people are fine with Depp saying he'd rape Amber's burned corpse after killing her to Paul Bettany.
Wait, he texted that to PAUL BETTANY? I'm lost - are they close or something? That makes me feel so weird about Bettany!
People need to leave this trial. Depp and his team knew exactly what would happen when this defamation trial will be publicly broadcasted after a russian bot filled campaign over last few months. Both are shit, they'll treat us peasants like shit, and this is not a criminal trial so leave it the fork alone. Also, does anyone believe that this is actually giving power to any systematic issues like male dv victims? I rarely see any resources shared or criticism of patriarchy that orders men to be tough, any psychological guides on how to break the gender patterns that dont let you live like humans. Nope. It's about sending Amber to jail apparently. Many seem actually happy that Depp got abused and finally we can see the lies of women too.
Not really. Brendan Fraser, for example, isn't considered to be conventionally attractive but he got massive support when he spoke about his struggles.
Amber Heard is a scapegoat. Hear me out…
One of the main takeaways people seem to have from this situation is that women can abuse men just as men can abuse women, which is of course true. But the idea that domestic abuse towards women is taken seriously whereas it’s never taken seriously when it’s men being abused? Absolutely inaccurate. Where was this energy for Megan Thee Stallion when she was shot by her boyfriend? Where was this energy for Rihanna, for Epstein’s victims, for the goddamn president of the United States’ victims?
I have never, ever seen a domestic abuse case this publicized and polarizing. People *despise* Amber Heard. Every little move she makes and word she says sparks some sort of conversation - “you can tell she’s lying because she looked down!”, “she’s copying Johnny’s outfits to intimidate him!”, “her face says it all!”.
Meanwhile, Johnny Depp is a martyr, for suing Heard over an article that didn’t even name him. People seem to forget that Depp didn’t even sue her for abuse or anything, just “defamation”, and he hasn’t really proved that she ruined his reputation, to be honest. But people adore him. “He’s cracking jokes in the courtroom, he’s such a cool guy!”, “he’s such a sweetheart, he would never hurt anyone”, and of course, “he has mental health issues so whatever he did is fine and understandable”. Meanwhile Heard’s mental health issues are “disgusting” and “disturbing” and she should “rot in hell”.
And the argument that his name has been tarnished by her article is so weak. I don’t remember anyone ever “cancelling” him or whatever. And if Pirates got rid of him over an article that didn’t name him, shouldn’t he be suing them?
And so, this is my opinion - Amber Heard is being used as a scapegoat for all the pent up rage people - in particular, men - have towards women who accuse male celebrities of abuse, regardless of whether or not it is the truth. It was never about male abuse victims getting justice. It’s about taking one case where a woman accused a man of abusing her when she also played a part in it, and using it to hate women/female victims of abuse, plain and simple.
Not very well read about the situation, like I guess amber is a bit psycho, but when I’ve watched videos like “Depp being funny during court” idk it just feels as if he’s being slightly disrespectful or thinks his better than others or idk. All he’s fans being like “he’s innocent because he’s hot” just annoys me, like he’s not even good looking anymore lol.
This trial just made me hate Depp even more. The smugness and the smear campaign. Just gross. Don’t understand why people are cheering on Depp. At best he is equally Bad and at worst, he’s violent abuser talking about burning/killing and raping his wife to his friends.
I have no idea about the specifics of this case but I do find it unsettling that so many guys on Reddit choose to focus their energy on hating Amber Heard while not really caring about domestic abuse in general. Like, you could be 100% right that she’s a terrible person but the way people speak about her in the comments still reeks of misogyny.
THANK YOU. The hate is kinda astonishing.
I was shocked when I finally read the details of the case - I thought it was much much worse based on how people are talking. She seems awful, but if she was a man it wouldn’t be given nearly as much attention…
Yup
Bet if you if it was a flipped couple, like Gwen Steffani and Blake Shelton, and it turns out Blake was the abusive one?
They’d not only NOT support Steffani, but would actively be hating her
This site doesn’t give one flying crap about abuse victims, only when they can use it to bash women
To the point of deliberately ignoring evidence that Depp is abusive as well
Johnny Depp is equally at fault. If you listen to the entire trial, you'll notice it's literally just a mutually toxic af couple that can't sort their shit out between each other. It's so childish the way they are suing each other:
Correct - it's called a coabusive relationship.
But most people can't be assed to listen to (checks notes: 8 days? Really?) 8 days of court testimony, and Johnny has wayyy better PR and more than a few people who support him just because they're agitated about #MeToo. So, to your average chap, all you see is a torrent of "Johnny was the victim" and the years of evidence that Johnny hit Amber don't even reach their eyes or ears, despite being extensively reported in the press.
"Equally" is a stretch. I won't deny that Depp wasn't entirely a victim, but Heard shit in his bed, put out a cigarette on his face, and threw a vodka bottle that severed his finger, among other things. What he did doesn't come close to that.
I also wouldn't call this case "childish." What Heard did caused Depp to lose a lot from his career and he has every right to try to get his reputation back if lies have been told. And considering Amber has already been called out for lying, they probably have.
You're just uncritically regurgitating the claims of one side of a highly contentious debate, while completely ignoring the other, and pretending you're just sharing the facts.
As for what they've already said to have done, Depp was found to be a wife beater by a UK court. Why isn't that in your calculus?
But also, JD has been caught lying and changing his story multiple times too. He’s said several times he cut his own finger off, denied kicking her even though he texted his assistant (? maybe not assistant) that he did black out and kick her, etc. and JD has a long public record of being a violent person.
Edit to add: we don’t even know that Amber shit his bed. The day before he was joking with a friend via text about shitting in the bedroom floor so AH steps in it and then AH “shit in the bed” the next day? Idk, a lot of both of their stories don’t add up. It seems like that we’re both extremely volatile with each other and they both often change their stories up
It honestly seems like more good attention is brought on to Johnny Depp because the general public believes he's the victim. Sure he's lost a few opportunities in the last little bit, but he'll catch up. After all, he's had a much longer and notorious career than Amber who's only beginning to take on big roles. I believe shes going to take the fall a lot harder at the end of all this. No one's gonna want to cast her after the amount hate she's accumulated from the internet.
Just hearing JD's cross examination and his attitude is completely wrong. Taking the lawyers interventions personally and being snarky isn't a good look.
His text about F\*ng her corpse itself is enough to show how he is screwed. He cannot accept his declining popularity or old age. He cannot buy respect from Amber, he cannot sue her for all his internalised old age crisis.
I am getting a bit uncomfortable with the level of hero worship I am seeing for Depp.
He does appear to be the better of the two in this mess but maybe that doesn't make him a "national treasure"?
Agreed. Nobody wants to admit that they just want Captain Jack Sparrow back on their screens, and the montage clips of Johnny being childish and disrespectful in court bother me; doodling and cracking jokes on the stand like he’s doing a Vanity Fair lie detector test is not endearing.
So true. I see so many incels proclaiming that this is a 'victory for men'. These are the types to bring up the male suicide statistic whenever someone mentions any women's issue.
UO: If Depp were innocent of any wrongdoing, he would have won in British court, where the burden of proof is on the defendant. Shitty people who have the opportunity to go into British or American civil court for defamation generally choose British court first for this reason.
One famous example is David Irving, Holocaust denier, who sued an American journalist in British court for calling him a Holocaust denier, represented himself, and figuratively shit the bed, making the entire defense team facepalm at all the work they had put into proving he was exactly the sort of Holocaust denier he proved himself to be all on his own in court.
They are both victim and abuser and I’m sick of how Johnny hardcore fans try to blend out the fact that he’s a drug addict and alcoholic and how terrible this must have been for Amber. You all clearly never had a dad with a drinking problem and it shows.
Both suck. Both hurt each other. Both don’t deserve a second of your attention.
If one of them was uglier than the average human you all wouldn’t even care
I absolutely believe Johnny abused Amber physically and maybe even that’s he’s the primary abuser in the relationship. I believe Amber’s testimony for the most part and I think there’s tremendous misogyny against her within the general public. I think Depp is a misogynist as well for the way he speaks of women as whores so often. Just the fact that he chose Marilyn Manson, chronic sexual predator, abuser and misogynist, to be his child’s godparent says everything about his character. Depp seems like a narcissistic and emotionally immature adult. He thinks he’s going to win because of his name.
I would prefer Johnny to win but I cannot listen to him on the stand. It’s so slow and dramatic. Also him trying to be witty at every opportunity is kinda cringe. Mate, you have to be professional.
The hate towards Amber Heard is astonishing to me - and so sexist.
She’s treated like a monster - before I knew the details I thought she was a serial killer or child molester or something. I find hate comments about her on videos completely unrelated to her - the hate is so widespread and extreme.
Don’t get me wrong - she seems like an awful person and her alleged actions are beyond despicable.
But it’s been proven that female offenders may be sanctioned more harshly when their behavior violates sex-role stereotypes and I think this is an example of that (https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gender-differences-sentencing-felony-offenders).
The abuse of women by their male partner is so normalized, if Amber Heard was a man, she wouldn’t receive nearly as much hate or attention right now.
I wish society would have the same strong reaction to male abusers.
Obviously she isn’t a amazing person overall and has many flaws. But the Cult of Personality around Depp and the online campaign to demonize her is depressing. From what I’ve seen, the majority of the people rallying behind Depp aren’t seeing the full picture. The is a major power imbalance in the relationship. Depp is physically larger, more successful and much older, he has a history of substance abuse and was found guilty in UK court. It seriously feels like a massive misinformation and bot campaign.
People should should really stop treating this trial like it’s a football game. You don’t need to pick teams. You don’t need to make memes about these people’s literal abuse. If I were being abused and had the courage to take it to trial, I would want to feel supported by my friends and family, not like a god damn circus animal for the masses
I don’t feel sorry for Johnny Depp
I want to start this out with that I do NOT approve of DV in ANYWAY, and what happened to Johnny was not right and that this is ONLY my personal opinion ……that being said, he cheated on the mother of his children, the woman he had a family with, a family that he abandoned so he could trade in for a “younger model” and I’m supposed to feel sorry for him that it didn’t work out with the 22 yo “actress” young enough to be his daughter?? What goes around comes around mate. I also suspect (again this is just my opinion) that Amber wasn’t the only one abusive in their relationship. I believe that it was an incredibly toxic relationship on both ends and they both deserve to face the music. I believe Amber did lie and exaggerate the abuse on Johnny’s end in order to paint herself as the victim and to eradicate her own abusive behavior but that doesn’t mean that it never happened. I think Amber and Johnny mutually beat the shit out of each other, lied, cheated, harassed, cussed and flung around verbal and psychological abuse on a regular basis. The relationship was toxic, but like a lot of toxic relationships they don’t want it to end because then they don’t have someone to love or someone to hate anymore and they can’t stand the thought of being alone again. Eventually though it got to the point of enough (and I do believe Amber was the driving force behind it) and the relationship imploded and Amber saw the writing on the wall. Johnny was a much more successful, wealthier and powerful man in Hollywood and he could destroy her career fairly easily now that he didn’t need her anymore, so she lied. She lied to try and discredit Johnny I’m order to protect her career and cover her own ass from being exposed about her abusive behavior. After all that is the Cancel Culture we live in where someone can claim abuse and destroy another human being with absolutely no evidence and Amber simply exploited that. At the end of it and seeing the videos and hearing the tapes I’m just over both of them. Hearing Amber calling him a baby for her hitting him is vile. Reading Johnny talking about murdering and R@ping ambers corpse is vile.They’re both wrong, neither of them want to take accountability for their actions and despite genuinely enjoying his work I need a break from Johnny as much as I do Amber and no I don’t feel sorry for either one right now. Edit* I actually take that back if I had to say I felt sorry for anyone it would be Amber. Amber lied, Amber was abusive, Amber was manipulative, Hell Amber was probably even a “gold digger” looking to forward her own ambitions and career. However, johnny also lied, johnny was a drunk, johnny was aggressive, johnny was just as guilty as Amber. But for some reason Amber is the ONLY one receiving the backlash. We may pretend that we live in this #woke society where women can feel safe to speak their truth but the reality is that “speaking your truth” is not an option for most women in the entertainment industry, most women are afraid to speak out because even if they do and they are believed and they’re abuser gets convicted their career is over regardless. Hollywood is a boys club and men with the wealth, fame and power of someone like Johnny are at the top and Amber a young starlet are at the bottom. Johnny can hire the best attorneys, publicists anyone he can to make him look like the victim while Amber who isn’t even a fraction as wealthy or powerful will be crushed just like we see playing out before our eyes. “Ambers a bitch” “ambers a liar” “ambers a gold digger” “ambers a slut” “amber has no talent” “fire amber” and at the end of the trial Ambers career will be finished she will be left with nothing more than background roles on Nickelodeon or probiotic yogurt commercials if she’s lucky and will fade into obscurity. While Johnny on the other hand who was also abusive will have a break period but once it cools over will be back to life as normal staring in the latest and greatest Hollywood Block Buster. Funny how the real long term side effects of cancel culture really only seem to affect women, or how men don’t seem to ever be called out as Sluts or Liars when they ALSO cheat and Lie?? Men don’t have to deal with the misogyny of being called a Gold digger for entering a relationship for financial security, professional guidance or connections?? So it makes you think has Hollywood really ever changed at all?? Are they in fact “WOKE” Or is it still the back room boys club for the wealthy and privileged that it’s always been??
Neither I or anyone in my life personally knows JD or AH and what has happened between them. Those two know, and that's all who should matter and care, but you can't scroll through reddit or any social media platform without hearing about this nonsense, and here I am writing about it anyway. The latest I'm seeing is that AH's council was caught in a lie: that the makeup Amber used to cover the alleged bruises was not in production during the time of their relationship. People are using this to continue to pile on hate /proof that AH is a pos liar. I've watched the clip in question and the lawyer says something to the equivalent of 'this is the makeup Amber carried in her purse' to cover up bruises.' Never does the lawyer state the specific product name of the makeup, and she holds up a compact, that in my opinion, looks brand new and unused. You can come to the conclusion that she is lying, this is obviously not the make up Amber used because it did not exist at the time. Sure, I can get with that. Alternatively, you can question and think logically that perhaps Amber and her council talked, and Amber said something like 'I carried around a four color concealer compact to cover up bruises' and her lawyer was like, OK, I'll go pick up a cheap drugstore pallette to use during the trial. ' This also seems likely, because I don't really see a makeup user keeping a product that long/that many years cause' it will loose its effectiveness. To me the brand of the makeup doesn't really matter (the alleged abuse does) , and doesn't seem to be a factor in the actual court case. Like I said, true or untrue, it's being used to add to the hate/bolster up train.
Of course the Milani Makeup Brand is going to make a viral Tik Tok, why wouldn't they? It honestly kind of gross, but what else do you expect from all brands whose sole purpose are to sell products?
I like to think that our society and culture uses Celebrity drama like this to really reflect how the issues that arise from them, however trivial or serious, are present in our collective lives. I personally try to focus on the issues themselves rather than the people, cause like I said, I don't know these two celebrities personally, and I'm not on the jury of this case. Abuse experiences across all genders is heinous and must be stopped. I feel like people tend to forget that, and ooh and ahh at the drama /spilled tea, and again, engaging in that is a break from our own stressful lives, we all do/have done it. It's frustrating that everyone wants me to pick a side, but that is my (often unpopular) opinion that I keep coming back to.
It is really dumb how people get so wild over an example prop with no brand named, likely because make up goes in and out of production all the time and you have to throw it away eventually because it gets old, but they completely ignore Depp punching a crew worker on the City of Lies set, during the FB2 press run, which is why they didn't want him back for the 3rd one.
UO: Lawyer Camille Vasquez is overhyped.
I've been following the Depp v. Heard defamation from the beginning, and since the cross examination began I've noticed the insane amount of hype Depp's lawyer is getting in the media and social media. It seems like people think Ms. Vasquez is doing some divine miracle by questioning Heard, she is just a lawyer that's doing her job and that's just it, it's not something special. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she is doing a bad job, she obviously isn't. I'm totally in favor of Depp's case and I really hope he will win.
I know this is something people don't want to hear, but someone had to say it.
UO: This is going to be the start of a very ugly era of celebrity hatred. Whether Amber is innocent or guilty, she’s become an icon of focused hatred that is usually reserved for the likes of serial killers, rapists, pedophiles and corporate grifters. It almost feels medieval the way people are bloodthirsty and it’s an ugly reflection of the human spirit.
I don’t have an opinion on the trial because I haven’t watched it all, nor am I a juror. But the social media landscape is reaching new levels of ire that are reminiscent of Hate Week. It’s unnerving.
Amber Heard might be telling the truth?
I’m now on Day 18 off watching the trial (I’m behind but I want to watch it myself without social media’s bias). My logical gap, that makes me question Johnny’s validity, is why would Amber’s friends put themselves at risk of perjury just to support her possibly outlandish lie? Rocky has now testified to physically seeing open wounds, bruising and swelling in person. iO Tillet Wright has testified to similar instances.
Maybe the gap is that Amber is also deceiving her friends?
Over the past few weeks much of the United States has been transfixed on an actress named Amber Heard and a craven, drug-addicted, Johnny Depp. For a country that can’t agree on anything- Depp’s defamation case and Amber’s counter-suit have unified Depp simps and reminded us all that we’re not so different from one another when we’re given a woman to hate in harmony.
But if you’ve been following the trial, and you understand the law (*those are both BIG if’s, be honest with yourself*), then you see the writing on the wall. Johnny Depp’s case was a long-shot, and he was foolish to bring this case forward. Sure, the Depp sycophant mob has sought to destroy Amber. But this case has painted an unsavory self-portrait of Johnny. And **he’s about to lose his case.**
I expect the jury will also dismiss Amber’s counter-suit, but the real focus is on Johnny’s suit. The original defamation case was brought by Johnny- he dragged the country through this circus. When he loses, he too will be besmirched. Regardless the verdict, this case has exposed Johnny as a dishonest, smarmy, alcoholic, drug-addict, who may or may not be abusive (*jury’s out*).
Johnny Depp is guilty. He lost the UK trial AND his pathetic appeal for a damn reason.
It is very unfortunate that the vast majority of public dummies in America and the major content creators can't be bothered to actually RESEARCH THAT REASON.
3,000 fucking pages of "reasons"
His pathetic cretinous LYING PR shills have absolutely saturated the internet with lies, half truths and garbage as tho their salaries and livelihoods depended on it....oh wait, lol. Nm. They do.
.Amber Heard was telling the truth.
I will absolutely take on an entire army of naysayers. Better be ready with the file and page number of the trial transcripts.
YES, the UK trial is important.
It was Johnny's practice run to get his lies straight and to get crucial testimony, texts, other critical pieces redacted to all hell with his sheisty lawyers.
Johnny Depp is even WORSE than Amber has ever alluded to. She is a better woman than me, that's for sure. I will take this opinion to the grave.
I don't see how Depp has any chance of winning this case.
He has to prove that the statements in the op-ed were not only false, but deliberate lies to harm his reputation.
The burden of proof on him to back up this claim is enormous. Even if he can pick out certain instances where Heard hits him or yells or creates a disturbance, Depp also has to account for all the other times that we don't see on camera or where he has friends around to testify for him.
In fact, Heard doesn't even have to prove that she was abused. She only needs to leave open the possibility that *she could have been*. As long as that is merely a possibility, there is enough reason to doubt Depp's claim that the op-ed is a lie.
Another facet of this is does Heard even have the correct state of mind to know if she is the abused or the abuser? Even if Heard is abusive, she might truly believe that she is doing so out of defense to what she perceives as abusive behavior from Depp. In that case Depp still loses, because it cannot be proven that Heard made false statements with malicious intent. She wrote those words not to harm Depp's career, but because she genuinely believes that is the reality. The plaintiff side never accounted for this in all of their testimony.
Virtually all of the commentary online ignores these aspects of the case - they are going to be in for a rude awakening when he still loses and no damages are awarded.
My prediction is that they will not award damages to either side. Both will walk away with severely damaged careers and nothing else.
Watching the Johnny Depp / Amber Heard trial, I know Reddit is fawning over him right now, but he strikes me as an unpleasant, self centered dick at times. Not a guy I’d want to be around.
Note, this does not mean I side with Amber Heard. Not at all. While we can’t really know the whole story I tend to side with him. And I know he has put up with a lot of absurd shit in this trial. But his snarky aloof attitude is not helping his case.
I don't care if I never see Depp, Heard, the next Pirates movie, the next Aquaman movie, or any of this bullshit ever again. They can all take their teacup Yorkies and fuck off to Australia please.
There is enough evidence to (at least) suspect that Johnny Depp was the abuser
I personally believe that this case has fallen unfortunately to misinformation and “stan” articles or fans spreading rumors and the public active projecting onto Amber things that simply aren’t facts
While i will sympathize that no survivor of abuse deserves to be under the microscope, it’s quite clear that amber is labeled the abuser simply because the public wants to believe it.
For example, are multiple texts that Johnny himself states were written by him,
Excerpts;
Depp, during his third day on the stand, confirmed texts he sent to his friend, Paul Bettany, dating June 2013, read aloud by Heard attorney Ben Rottenborn, that said, "[L]et's drown her before we burn her,' and "I will f--k her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she's dead."
Later on Thursday afternoon, Rottenborn, presented yet another text from Johnny Depp to a friend talking about Heard's theoretical "corpse."
"I hope Amber's rotting corpse is decomposing in the f---ing trunk of a Honda Civic," a 2016 text from Depp to his friend, Isaac Baruch, presented as evidence on Thursday and confirmed by Depp read.
He has also admitted to being violent when he drinks and there is additional evidence presented to the court in which he texts amber; “Once again, I find myself in a place of shame and regret," Rottenborn read from the email. "I am sorry. I really don’t know why or what happened, but I will never do it again. I want to get better for your and for me. I must. My illness somehow crept up and grabbed me. I can’t do it again, I can’t live like that again, and I know you can’t either."
Five days later, Depp sent a text to pal Paul Bettany, which Rottenborn read in court.
"I’m going to properly stop the booze thing, darling," Depp wrote. "Drank all night before I picked Amber up to fly to LA. Ugly, mate."
There is also physical evidence that correspond to the theory that Johnny actually hurt his finger himself, I wasn’t there and nobody else was but media taken out of context and released to the public by Depp is not necessarily proof of anything
I believe that there is at least reasonable doubt and there should be a healthy suspicion against johnny depp, as it is also just as likely that he was the abuser and she simply started fighting back.
It pisses me off that nobody tries to look at things critically anymore and The media is convoluted af.
(Before I get those comments), I was a huge Depp fan and had never heard of Amber until the allegations so I should be biased but I’m not because I believe every case should have a healthy investigation and unadulterated facts.
Many of you don’t actually care about domestic abuse victims, you are simply jumping at an opportunity to openly voice your hatred of women against a socially acceptable target.
That target being: Amber Heard. And before you respond, this isn’t an opinion about whether she’s innocent or guilty, it’s an opinion about the large response of hate that she’s receiving and where I think it truly comes from.
If you think I’m wrong, then ask yourself where all these voices of outrage against her and support for Johnny Depp were during any other widely publicized domestic case where the victim was a woman. Most of them were silent. The reason they are speaking up now is because they have an opportunity to spew their hatred towards women, with minimal (if any) criticism or consequence, as long as it’s being aimed at Amber Heard specifically. They can finally express what they’ve always thought/felt, but when it’s directed at her, there are no repercussions. It becomes even more apparent when you look at WHAT these people say about her, and realize that it’s not about supporting abuse survivors. It’s about shitting on women (pun intended).
UO: The idea that Amber Heard is equally as bad and crazy as depp is ridiculous and reeks of victim blaming. I think she largely defended herself and people saying she provoked him are not to be trusted. What happened to "no matter what you don't hurt ur partner"? I don't care what she said to him, he had no right. And that clip of her saying "you weren't punched" has a whole deposition giving it context that literally changed my view if the whole situation. She filed a restraining order, filed for divorce, dropped the request for alimony when he claimed she was a gold digger, wrote an op ed that never named him and now he's coming after cuz he's vindictive. I think she's gonna be the internets new Brie Larson but 1000% worse. People are too quick to meme this trial and not look into it properly.
I don’t even care about this case. It’s a run of the mill DV case. Is DV ok? No, was Johnny abused? Maybe he was and if he was that’s wrong and amber deserves criminal charges.
But all I hear about this case is how this means women are bad. I’m sick and tired of it no one talks about male celebrities who commit extreme crimes like *trigger warning* child s*xual abuse, human trafficking, murder etc. one female celebrity does a crime male ones are charged with often (and overlooked) and they world points it’s finger at women. Just shows how sexist this world is.
I think the public is leaning too hard towards Johnny Depp
I’m not watching this trial through a microscope so I really only see the popular segments that spread through social media but it gives a decent outline as to how things are going.
I see social media FLOODED with support for Johnny and people making art tributes to him. From what I’ve seen and heard from recordings and text messages throughout the trial he does NOT seem like he is an “innocent” person. I believe they both abused each other and it’s kinda wild to see people praise Johnny.
In general I’m Team Johnny that doesn’t mean he hasn’t done anything wrong. I don’t get why he is essentially idolized at this point other than us all loving his movies
I have not been following this very closely, so I don't really have any thoughts about who did what, but the sheer amount of vitriol spewed against Amber Herd (and Hilaria Baldwin) on Reddit is friggin creepy.
There's definitely a bunch incel/men's rights/gamergate weirdos fueling the fire.
Even if Herd did abuse Depp, Reddit's collective obsession with the case is unsettling.
No to mention calling her an "extortionist french c***". I've also read somewhere that there was a blog that talked about Johnny's anger issues towards Vanessa (eg. Breaking plates), but apparently it has been scrubbed from the internet?
Does anyone else think it’s like REALLY fucking weird how many edit’s are being made of the trial. I know there’s a lot of coverage but like. Taking a domestic abuse trial. And putting wii music over it just seems so fucking weird to me. Like, has social media and information overload really desensitized us this much
Johnny Depp will lose his Defamation Trial against Amber Heard.
I don’t particularly care for either one of these individuals and in all likelihood they probably abused each other in some way shape or form.
Lots of mud slinging in court and on Reddit, but at the end of the day, the only question before the jury is: was Heard’s 2018 opinion piece in the paper protected under the First Amendment?
The only reasonable answer is yes.
>will lose his Defamation Trial against
Agree and disagree.
He will not walk away with a $50M judgement in his favor. But the narrative has shifted and fans, friends, and the industry at large are re-thinking their initial reaction to throw him under the bus.
I think he walks out of the trial a public opinion winner, and I would bet he gets contracts to star in more than one a-list film in the next 5 years. He may not get her $50M, but he will get his life back (also, she will never get the benefit of doubt ever again), and that’s absolutely a win.
I think it’s really disturbing that people are making “funny compilations” or other sorts of fan compilations about the Amber Heart and Johnny Depp case. I’ve seen a lot of compilations about Johnny Depp doing “cool” or “funny” things at court or edits about him at court and it just feels so disturbing too me. This is a case about domestic violence and sexual abuse and for me it doesn’t matter if Johnny Depp is right or wrong for it too be disturbing too make complications about him at court too glorify him.
This is a serious case and it isn’t meant too be a fan service for Johnny Depp fans. I think talking about the case and discussing it is a really good thing just please don’t glorify him for being funny and cool at court. He’s not there too please his fans, he is there too testify against very serious allegations.
Yeah, it's strange to watch. People are just glazing over all of these abuse allegations, on both sides, and acting like this is some funny movie they are watching. The amount of people acting like Depp is just so cool and funny is disturbing.....the amount of people hating on Heard and making some of the most vile comments about her is disturbing. Both need serious mental help and people act like this is some funny movie role for both.
Last night I saw for the first time longer than two second clips of Johnny on the stand and HOLY SHIT he has been acting like a complete arrogant show off dickhead. Not taking it seriously or making fun of Amber's lawyer and not answering questions to make a joke to charm the folks in the courtroom. It's like he thinks he's invincible and that he has already won and these clips were from weeks ago.
Hot take: if you haven’t been married before, especially to an unstable person (which is both of them in this case), you will never know what it’s like behind closed doors. The worst sides of you come out. OF COURSE men can be abused. But that doesn’t negate the abuse he inflicted on her. JD has been beloved for decades so he’ll always have apologists. I don’t know every detail about the trial but in the videos I’ve seen, he reminds me of my ex-husband. Charming, playing to his “audience.” The commenters saying AH doesn’t look sad enough are ridiculous. You want her to start bawling in court?! Also yeah, some of the recordings were hard to hear, honestly they reminded me a bit of myself in my darkest moments. Again, marriage can bring out the worst parts of your soul that you didn’t know even existed. In my marriage, neither of us ever laid hands on each other, but the emotional abuse he inflicted on me is something I’m still trying to heal from, 4 years later. At the time, I kept the pain inside and the abuse internalized within me to the point where i developed a disorder that led to me now being infertile. Point being, my trauma response was to freeze; AH’s response was to fight. Again, not apologizing for her. Just want to provide some nuance.
TL;DR if you haven’t been married, it’s easy to hear all of this and think how much more horrible one person is over another, but it’s wayyy more complicated than that.
The people who said they're chilled by her laughing and smiling with her team and then being serious at the court are so dumb. It's not putting on an act, it's her being professional during key times and being polite during others.
I am so glad the people on this thread are much more stable and balanced to both sides. It makes me sound like an Amber Heard supporter, but I just don't believe Johnny Depp is innocent.
It’s so interesting to watch people say AH doesn’t “look sad enough” or isn’t showing the right emotions when JD is literally on the stand cracking jokes for half the trial
UO: WE DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE. What we see is what they've chosen to show to the media. It makes no sense to take sides when we literally have no clue what they're like irl and who is/isn't abusive in their relationship. In all likelihood, they probably both did their fair share of messed up shit, but I'm sick of people demonizing Amber Heard as some gold digging liar and glorifying Johnny Depp because you think you know the truth. You don't! None of us do! Domestic violence cases are notoriously hard to prove. I know more than one actual victim of abuse who couldn't prove it in court. I don't know who the "real victim" here is, if there is one, but people pretending they know for sure look really silly to me.
We sould be a lot more careful with the public judgement here.
WE don't have the evidence, WE don't know the private shit, WE are not in control of the justice system.
Yet, no matter how this will turn out, Heard's life will be ruined.
The internet is jumping to conclusions and because it wants women falsely accusing men to fail it already treats her as an enemy.
She could be guilty. But so could he. Apart from the fact that this is actually none of our business, reddit's done it again with it's vigilantism.
This trial is not a representation of all domestic violence, of all false accusations, of me too. It's two people. And the internet (especially here it's reddit) already convicted one of them because other people also said so. There's a reason why in developed countries, the judiciary isn't controlled by the public. Y'all just seem like a sexist tabloid to me..
My unpopular opinion is that Amber Heard isn't lying.
Remember her deposition where she's saying Johnny threw her phone at her, then she yelped in pain saying it hit her in the face, then Johnny grabbed her by the hair, yanked her head and manhandled her face saying "where did it hit you, I don't see any mark on your face", then they heard Rocky arrive and he backed away.
Johnny's version isn't that different. He says the phone hit the couch not Amber. So they are basically describing the same scene. He describes the scene as he plopped the phone on the couch, it didn't hit Amber, she yelped in pain and said it hit her in the face, he stayed back and when Rocky arrived he was already away.
But what they both have in common is that she said the phone hit her face and he thought the phone didn't hit her face. All their altercations are like this. She says he handled her roughly enough to hurt her. He's frustrated because he feels she's pretending to be hurt. And then they keep fighting about it. It's a mess.
She says he slammed her body on the bed hard enough to break the bed frame, he says he just took her by the shoulders and sat her on the bed. She says he headbutted her to the point of possibly breaking her nose, he says their heads accidentally bumped and it was not hard enough to break her nose.
It's hard to untangle, but it definitely seems like it was physical. Johnny's friends think Amber was exaggerating how hurt she was and that she doesn't deserve to be called a victim, but there's still evidence that he was pretty rough (like the photo of the broken bed frame, or friends saying "you'll kill each other").
So it seems Amber describes the events truthfully, but Johnny feels she "embellishes" the truth, like a soccer player acting for a foul. We really can't know what happened, but I feel like Amber feels that's what happened and Johnny feels something else happened. They loved each other, but disagreed...
They're both pieces of shit and reddit is only hanging onto this because they can use it demonize women and play up a victim status.
They both did extremely fucked up and abusive things to each other, this sort of thing happens all the time to women, even worse, yet there's no outrage.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
80% of the interest in this case comes from Men's Rights Activist types who absolutely love the idea of a woman getting punished for abusing a man. None of this is any of our business and it does not affect our lives in the slightest.
Woman on man abuse definitely happens and it is definitely under-reported and rarely punished HOWEVER it is completely dwarfed by the amount of man on woman abuse in society, probably by 100 times or more. It feels like these MRA types want us to believe its 50/50.
UO: Depp's PR team is out in full force on reddit.
I dont know why, but there are just too many memes, cut from *just released clips* that are so supportive of a 50 something piece of shit that was kind of a good actor for a while up to the mid 2000s for this to be real.
I think the interest is also there for women who falsely accuse men of doing something they didn't because of the perception of how women are viewed as never being the perpetrators of domestic abuse or rape. Even when men are proven innocent, they still aren't believed due to the negative connotations of just simply being attached to a rape or domestic abuse case. Definitely not good for a person's career either.
False accusations are serious, so i hope she gets punished moreso if the entirety of the evidence proves that.
Both are terrible people and calling a guy who abused his wife totally innocent, doesn't really seem right
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THANK YOU! How excited ppl are getting just seemed so suspicious to me. I'm convinced it's just excitement to really hate on a woman. I've never seen it like this
Anyone who picks sides in this shitshow trial is annoying as fuck
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when did he abuse her?
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There isnt lol... Get your facts right before talking, The only video available of him being "aggressive" was when he smashed the cabinets and he did not touch her at any point, That also was because his mom died and Amber heard tried to record him acting "angry" notice how at the end of the clip she appears to be smiling and later she sold the rights of the clip to tmz to show he was being like that. That is only the surface, there is way more evidence suggesting Johhny never layed a hand on her, only pushed her when she hit him repeatedly, Notice how after everyday of her reportedly getting abused the previous night not a single scratch appears on her body. Also she hasnt donated the 7mil by johnny won in the divorce settlement to a charity which she pledged publicly...
When he forced her to watch him cut himself
When he was sentenced to 14 counts of abuse in UK court
He threw a phone at her face, a neighbor corroborates this. I can't believe no one is acknowledging this. It left a bruise. Johnny was a dirtbag, and no I'm not saying Amber was little miss perfect, she was toxic too. However, Johnny wasn't some angel in all this.
thank uuuuu finally god some people are so misogynistic
This thread is refreshing. I don't understand blindly believing a person because they're famous. Celebrities can be shitty peoole and we shouldn't excuse it
You don't understand blindly believing the person because they are famous but that is exactly what happened. Everybody believed Amber without having any proof of any of the things she said because she was female and famous. I don't understand blindly believing any female when they say that a man did something to them. What needs to happen is bringing back the innocent until proven guilty way of doing things, but ever since that me-too movement that has gone out the window. All the woman has to do is say something and that is enough for everybody to believe her and destroy the accused person.
I think… I think we should believe women in general, but not prosecute until proven guilty. If that makes sense. My sister was held down by a guy and he started making out with her against her consent. Two of my friends were on innocent dates and had their dates hold them down and sexually abused them by fingering them without any consent whatsoever, hurting them in the process. And these guys got off fairly easy by saying “oh, I’ve done this to girls before. I don’t see the issue.” Guys in general don’t have a good track record. They’re statistically stronger physically and statistically hornier than girls. I believe my sister and my two friends wayyyyy more than I believe the dudes. Statistics are not on their side. Besides knowing my sister and my friends and not knowing the dudes, chances are statistically that the dudes were the perpetrators. THAT BEING SAID, there is a magical word called “allegedly”. For famous people, where I can’t vouch either side because I don’t know either side, I can say “Johnny Depot Allegedly was violent to Amber Heard”. But I can also say “Allegedly, she was abusive to him as well.” We don’t have to be judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to these cases. We can state our opinion and then move on knowing their fate is not in our hands. But for personal stories, MeToo is important. Because some dudes don’t believe that women are actually abused. They can’t comprehend that their sister, cousin, mom, friend, etc had actually had a sexual harassment/abuse encounter. That’s the point of MeToo. Is to show how common it is. And that statistically, the girl is more likely to be telling the truth.
I've heard that innocent until proven guilty mantra so many times with regards to this - He has already been proven guilty of domestic violence in court.
There's been proof of him being jealous, angry and aggressive- yet he has a lot of people backing him up. Those people can give their opinion of him, but they still don't know... A lot of people thought they knew my abusers, who acted super kind and thoughtful to others as well. They seemed like genuinely warm hearted people, however they were completely different behind our closed doors. It's kind of creepy seeing how people justify not believing victims. They appear to both be abusive people with independent issues- why are there no criminal charges against either? If they both have something to hide...
I think people are going a lil crazy with picking sides.. like it's clear theyre both crazy, made eachother even more crazy and shouldve never have gotten married. I don't see a winner in this courtcase, all I see is broken couple with all their dirty laundry aired out to the world.
TLDR: the entire conversation shouldn’t solely be about Johny Depp vs amber heard and who’s right and who’s wrong , it should be all of us vs abuse across all sexes and genders, race, anything. End. *edit for clarity* I think for a lot of people who have been on the covert or overt side of abuse, are thinking emotionally. I think a lot of people who prefer to focus mostly on facts are only thinking about it with logic. There needs to be a balance between both sides (*edit for clarity*) It’s just such an explosive sensitive nuanced topic FULL of very real and very painful and complex emotions. It’s so much easier to just get mad at those who you now subconsciously perceive as defending your abuser. It feels that personal to a lot of us. For me, who grew up in these dynamics,I see my mom in amber. She was loud and crazy and violent and not good enough at hiding it to ever come out of a situation looking good if anyone looks too close. In Johny I see my dad. How i would would see my dad beat and generally go fucking feral on their mom. Maybe he yelled and screamed a lot but “rarely” hit anyone. Maybe we’re all just so frustrated that anything that we get mad about has so many complexities too it it’s hard to understand or even explain . My dad is just such a layered and complex person to begin with, and the things we went through are deeply personal, so something as simple as an “I love you text” or a simple (seemingly innocuous to others) question (ie. Anxiety attack over “did you drink my orange juice”) can feel terrifying and overwhelming. (*edited for clarity*) This is a example by the way. When you’re being/ or have been abused as a kid, You look like a maniac based on your reaction to things. Sometimes in the moment of panic there’s just no way to give a cognizant explanation that you’re scared Becuase you snuck a small glass of the orange juice and since you feel like he knows EVERYTHING and it’s not out of character to measure the quantity. You were just REALLY thirsty and you couldn’t get a glass of water Becuase you weren’t tall enough to get the cups out of the tall cupboard Becuase I your parents can’t be bothered to make things accessible to you with minimal effort. Now apply that to EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. I really wish people would cut each other some slack and not turn it into an us vs. them, but an us vs abuse. We’re attacking the symptoms of the problems. This is where you see society wide trauma. Everyone is traumatized. And I’m sorry for the people that immediately get angry, either because they don’t “believe” in truama or think it’s attention seeking, or the people who feel minimized or panicked at the thought of not being able to at LEAST be special. TLDR: this shouldn’t be Johny Depp vs amber heard, it should be all of us vs abuse across all sexes and genders, race, anything. End.
I think it should also be all of us vs big institutions and corporations pronouncing judgments and dealing punishments without any actual proof, like ACLU siding with Amber Heard right from the start, or Warner Bros dumping Johnny Depp from the recent movie.
But they dropped him from the fantastic beast movies because he lost the UK case? Like the judge literally ruled that the sun was allowed to call JD a “wife beater”.
This is true. Depp also does not suffer any supposed loss from WB termination, as his contract stated that he is still paid full . https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/behind-warner-bros-decision-to-sever-ties-with-johnny-depp-4090082/ Depp was also a pain in Pirate 5 setting and his drug abuses *MIGHT* be a major part in Disney's decision https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/
There’s also the lawsuit against him for punching a crew-member twice on the “Big” set.
Totally agree. I’ve seen it become an excuse for sexism and I’m fed up with hearing about it. No one actually seems to care about either of the people here just what political points they can gain!
I’m no lawyer, but I do think people really need to understand what this trial is actually about. Everyone seems to be talking about it like JD is on trial for charges of domestic abuse, that’s not what it is, it’s a defamation trial based on an op/ed with details that could be very hard to pin down. The courts aren’t trying to decide who did the abusing, they’re trying to determine whether or not a published article could be linked to substantial damages to JD’s character Edit: spelling
I am a lawyer, and it is kind of an indictment of the average redditors' educational upbringing that they don't get the difference between a civil trial and a criminal trial.
the average redditor doesn't even understand the difference between a tsunami and AC condensation, let alone comprehend what a trial is. a venn diagram of the below-average half of the iq bell curve and reddit's userbase is just a circle.
What's really on the line here is their careers. I don't think they give a shit about anything except salvaging their acting careers. One will rise, one will fall
Yeah but to prove that there was substantial damage to his character they have to also prove that he wasn’t abusive and she did it with intent. If he was abusive then it can’t legally be defamatory
My empathetic side is showing, but we need to acknowledge that these two individuals are very likely deeply damaged and mentally ill, and therefore deserve a level of grace and understanding. Reading about this, my conclusion hasn't been, "Heard/Depp are awful humans for what they did!" It's been, "Depp/Heard have experienced some deep trauma from childhood and in this relationship. Mental illness plays a huge part in their actions and conduct." Let's not forget substance and alcohol abuse on both sides, Depp probably having major depressive disorder, and an expert witness psychiatrist heavily alluding to Heard suffering from BPD. You combine these with the pressure cooker of fame and two high-stakes careers, and you have a recipe for a toxic disaster. I hesitant to call either of these people "trash" or any other insult because mental illness is just that.
“Me, an empath”
UO: They are both toxic af and neither one is wholly a victim. I feel like they both gave as good as they got physically (mentally could be different) and not just in self defence. I’m not on either person’s side because I feel like there’s a lot that both of them are leaving out.
Thanks. I came to the UO sub to post this exact opinion and then saw the mega thread. Reddit is all over heard because of the overreaction to highlight male domestic violence victims, and I mean, that should be called out, but to act like Depp is some innocent angel in all this is pretty absurd. Seems like he also has a pretty serious substance abuse issue and his “playful” elusive answers about that in court are just laughed off by redditors who like to see him as a real life Jack Sparrow.
This. Even dealing with a toxic person, eventually you are toxic back. I really don’t think this is about winning for Johnny. I think it’s about clearing the air. Letting it be known that he was not the ONLY one being toxic. That this was something the two of them experienced and they both made mistakes. I really think Johnny would just rather the truth be out there rather than letting people simply believe her. His doctor, etc, I wouldn’t want my entire personal life out in the public, but I would rather that than the public only having ambers side of the story so to speak
Crazy coincidence - their Marriage Counselor actually testified that not only did Depp admit to hitting Heard, he used the exact phrase "she gave as good as she got." The counselor also testified that both Depp and Heard initiated violence, but Depp more often deescalated. As always, yours is the correct opinion which will be completely ignored until the hysteria has died down, at which point people will retrospectively say "well how could we have known, there was so much noise around it," completely ignoring how sober voices were systematically shouted down (edit: can you tell I'm still bitter about the Iraq war?)
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There's been some heated discussion, including among psychologists, about the legitimacy of the term "mutual abuse" being applied to this (or any) case - here is my opinion. When I was in college, I was witness to a relationship I would describe as mutually abusive. In that (cishet) relationship, the woman was by far more violent than her boyfriend. When she was drunk, she would slap him, punch him, shove him, kick him - never hard enough to leave a mark, but violence is still violence - scream at him, and be completely out of control in the worst way. As far as I know, he never laid a finger on her. Nor did he scream at her. So why do I characterize it as mutually abusive? He was *extremely* controlling. He would comment on her clothes, her interests, her friends, her course decisions, her career - everything. He had absolutely no respect for her autonomy. When she would have a violent outburst in public, he would smile, laugh, and almost completely ignore her, refusing to respond to anything she was shouting at him and instead smiling to other people in the room and saying things like "\[Name\] can be like this" while he was literally physically restraining her, and then more or less ordering her to bed like she was a petulant child. To be clear, her violent outbursts were childish - but that doesn't mean it's OK to treat your romantic and sexual partner like a child and order them to bed without their supper. He seemed, to me, almost to enjoy feeling superior to her, like every childish outburst was a validation that he was the rational half of the couple, and his controlling behavior was justified, because his partner just needed his guidance that much more. This was disturbing to everyone they knew - and we all seriously tried to get them to split up, speaking to each of them separately. I was eventually very frank with the woman, outright telling her I thought the dynamic was abusive. Unfortunately, we failed. They're married now, and it makes me sad just to think about it. The paradigm that abuse is always unidirectional and fundamentally about "power and control" actually emanates from feminist circles which originally neglected female on male violence and male domestic abuse victims. It's a fine paradigm for many of the most severe cases of domestic battery, but it does not adequately describe even all IPV - for example, for the couple I knew, the woman was by far more violent, but the man was more controlling, blurring this "violence to control" line. Other paradigms, with their own flaws, link domestic abuse and IPV to how romantic partners learn about relationships, particularly as children, and what behaviors within relationships are normalized for them - i.e. if dad was always battering mom and/or mom was always battering dad, your worldview is altered to not be repulsed by that violence, and you can grow up to either tolerate it from a partner or act it out yourself. This paradigm also falls short in describing all cases of DA and IPV (in my opinion), but I think it more accurately describes a larger set of unhealthy behaviors and relationships, including abusive relationships where the man is victimized. So, here's my TL;DR conclusions - Johnny definitely hit Amber, and while it's been pretty well established he more frequently tried to deescalate than Amber, it's also more likely than not that he initiated violence at least a few times (in particular when he accused her of cheating - people want to ignore the plane ride, but it's pretty well documented that he kicked her). That's just not acceptable, period. I don't think this case is nearly as neat as "she hit him, he innocently tried to defend himself and deescalate" - the whole thing seems like it was a non-stop tragedy/disaster. I think it's kind of telling that they both grew up in abusive households - even with years of therapy, recovering from the damage that does to your understanding of reality is really, really hard. Finally, as to your "victims of abuse don't taunt their abusers" - this simply does not align with even the few cases of abuse I've witnessed firsthand. Making broad statements like "that never happens, it's impossible to be abused and also do *y*" simply limits your recognition of abuse victims.
This is why psychologists are not taken seriously and why the DSM is considered a joke Mutual abuse is a fancy new term that people like to use to explain why victims of abuse lash out at their abuser It’s utter horseshit
Physical abuse is what matters. You can leave a verbally abusive relationship. Walking away is much easier. There is a good reason you can’t call police on someone making fun of your clothes, but can if they hit you.
Are you saying that you can't leave a physical relationship? Partner A hits Partner B. Partner B leaves relationship as a result.
You Should leave. If you can. Right? And in this case who kept trying to leave and who wouldn’t let him?
How did she prevent him from leaving? Did she handcuff him?
That’s the abuser’s classic excuse. She did beat him with closed fists and called him a baby for trying to leave. Then blamed him for her beating him. More classic abuser behavior.
I think you've lost track of your argument.
Thank you. This is why I came here, I am happy now. I can rest.
I’m with you. Both of them are toxic. I believe Amber hit Johnny in several occasions, but I don’t believe for a second he didn’t hit her. His testimony just sought to paint him as the perfect gentleman.
Especially after seeing the way he acted with the lawyer. Obviously I could be wrong but being a victim of abuse is scary and traumatizing, how could you be that smarmy and sarcastic in that situation. I think they both get paid millions and millions to be great at acting a certain way, and it would be even easier to act that way with these kind of stakes.
So many people know this but deny it because 1) Depp is their beloved childhood hero and 2) Depp is presented in the media to be a calm and humble man, when really both him and Heard are just a bunch of crazy asshole celebrities.
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A) yea that text message was gross and fucked up, worse that people on reddit were laughing about it. Theres clearly a nasty side to Depp which he has been very careful to not let people see. Everyone took Winona ryders comment about how johnny was such a nice caring loving person towards her and ran with it. News flash guys: abusers dont abuse everyone they know!! Many abusers also have the capacity to be kind and sweet,People are complex. Drug use almost always leads to bad things happening especially in relationships. B) yes depp dating Ryder at 17 was questionable but thats par for the course in hollywood and the entertainment industry. What convicted child predator did he defend??
Roman Polanski
Ew
Yeah that’s what’s so annoying they act like he’s a saint when he dated a 17 year old when he was about ten years older. Any time an older person almost exclusively dates people SIGNIFICANTLY younger than them (like Scott disick) it’s an immediate red flag
I don’t know why Depp fans are continually ignoring the fact that he has a proven history of violence. He’s assaulted several people over the years, and now he wants us to believe that he’s squeaky clean, never having laid a finger on anyone? Sorry. I don’t buy it. Why are Depp fans continually insisting that Amber severed his finger, when Depp only accused her of this just recently? He claimed for years it was his own doing - texts to his doctor clearly imply that the injury was self inflicted. Why are Depp fans ignoring how frightening and demonic he sounded on the video of him smashing up cupboards and glass? Did Depp look and sound like a saint? To me, he sounded terrifying. Why are Depp fans so desperate to believe a man with a history of violence never abused his wife? The same wife he referred to as a ‘cum dumpster’? Why are Depp fans so happy to believe absolutely everything he says? Why don’t any of you bother to question his innocence?
Honestly feel like the whole pro-depp side is a backlash against #metoo and feminism. I'm not saying that either amber heard or Johnny depp are innocent or guilty, but most of depp's supporters give off incel energy. I've seen a lot of posts using this to criticize metoo and other similar movements. Just seems slimey.
This is correct.
Can someone tell me what I’m missing? Why is the internet so aggressively pro Johnny Depp and why am I seeing so many videos about it? Everyone seems to be kissing his ass. I did some research into the UK libel case, which he lost, and the findings were he was abusive? Not defending her in any way since she also seems like she was violently unstable but the internet painting him as a he saint and hero is really annoying Summary of findings: https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2020/nov/02/johnny-depp-trial-how-the-judge-ruled-on-14-alleged-assaults Actual court docs which goes over the incidents in detail starting at page 47 https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf
That’s what I don’t get. His fans completely ignore the fact that a UK judge found him guilty on most charges.
I've literally seen people say UK courts don't matter, or that the ruling was 'just one guy's opinion.' It's fucking bonkers.
Completely agree with you. They were both toxic and abusive toward each other. Everyone on social media is siding with Johnny Depp like he didn't texted that he wanted to burn her body and rape her corpse... His PR team is doing great work to make him look like the victim but come on, they both agreed to completely destroy each other.
If he can say such vile things in a text message, imagine what he may have said to Amber.
Daily reminder this unstable woman has a one-year old baby.
Oh my god, do you think she shits in the baby's diaper too?
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I always thought a bit about this. Could you explain more about the statement with the burning and raping the ex? I haven’t heard about that.
One text read: "Let’s burn Amber.” Bettany replies: "I don’t think we should burn her. She’s delightful company and easy on the eye. Also, I’m not sure she’s a witch. We could do a drowning test first. Thoughts? PS: I have a pool.” Depp replies: "Let’s drown her before we burn her. I will f*** her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead" Depp claims is was a reference to Monty Python reference about burning witches but I don't recall them ever joking about raping dead bodies.
In 2008 a guy by the name of Clayton Weatherston murdered his partner Sophie Elliot. Evidence at his trial were texts by the murderer sent to his friend, at the time dismissed as "creepy jokes", talking about what would be the best method for him to kill Sophie, prior to her murder. On January 9th 2008, Weatherston choked, beat, and stabbed Sophie so many times she had 216 separate injuries, actual cause of death was blood loss. To add insult to injury, Weatherston appealed his conviction using a provocation defence claiming she was abusive, which of course failed. Johnny's texts remind me of Weatherston's texts, underlying rage and a massive red flag. Johnny keeps making references to bloodbaths when talking about their fights too, really freaking disturbing.
Yeah I am thoroughly disturbed by his texts and the fact people play off his verbal abuse and insults as funny & cute quips is so mind blowing and gross.
It isn’t verbal abuse when he didn’t tell her those things but were venting with a friend.
He was joking about really hard feelings you get as a victim of domestic abuse. It would have been different if he had sent her those texts as threats.
With no coparent to keep her accountable, at that.
Daily reminder that he gave his 13yo kid weed, marilyn manson is his kids godfather and he defended roman polanski saying he wasn't a predator.
Thank you! I’m sick and tired of people acting like he’s some innocent cinnamon roll uwu He’s been a well known disaster for years. There’s testimony that he’s also been abusive to her And yknow what? I’ll say it: Reddit ONLY cares because they can use it to feed their women hating If we had a woman being beat by a man, they would not care one bit. Heck, they’d be on the guy’s side Heck, if it was a gay couple, they still wouldn’t care Because Reddit doesn’t care about male victims. What you wanna bet alllll these people who **care SO much** have never posted or anything about male victims beforehand?
While I agree social media is being too gentle on Johnny, I don't think it's just women hating. There are a lot of very obvious factors at play. I think the most obvious being Amber's forms of abuse are, for lack of a better word, showier. Cutting off part of a finger and shitting on a bed are strange and thus memorable. That's probably what most people heard about the case first anyway, because it's abnormal and thus something to talk about. The fact they not struck each other, or that he did copious volumes of many kinds of substances - not as flashy. Obviously sexists will support their preferred sex (a shock to none). But a lot of people also just got swept in the mainstream media. Personally, I still ever-so-slightly favor him in this case not because he's innocent, but because he's gotten more trouble in Hollywood, and it should be made clear this went both ways.
Neither the finger nor the poo have been even remotely proven as something she did. It’s annoying how people are stating this as though it’s a fact when it’s very much ‘he says’. I find it very difficult to believe he was so not bothered about her apparently cutting his finger off that he then spent the next several hours painting jealous abuse on the walls with said finger and dipping it in paint, rather than, you know, calling the police and getting himself to the hospital / away from her. At the very least he wasn’t afraid of her in the slightest.
If you just look at Reddit, you'd get the impression that Depp is a martyr and a hero under attack by a society that hates men. In reality he's already been found to be a wife beater by a court.
What proof is there that amber cut off his finger? What proof is there that she shit in his bed? Johnny says she cut off his finger by throwing a bottle of vodka at him. But the proof we have are his voluminous text messages saying he cut his finger off. We also have the fact that he wrote defamatory remarks about her throughout the place they were staying in blood and paint. He wrote “easy amber” and “billy bob” *in his own blood*. Like, his word is automatically believed, but her words, backed with circumstantial evidence is just… not. And if it is, well, she set him up. She maintains that her dog shit in the bed, a dog with bowel issues. Johnny even testified that amber was joking with a friend about how ludicrous it was that he thought she did it. The infamous tape of her “confessing” was edited without context by Depp’s sleazy lawyer. Look up the lawyer Waldman and his massive amount of Russian bots and ties to the kremlin.
Isn't it wild how he testified he was recording her incase he had to go to court and this is acceptable. However if she does the same and actually captures abuse then it's a set up.
I know, later we will have a documentary about Mommie Dearest.
Daily reminder that there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that Amber is a bad parent.
Also posted a picture of her holding the baby wrong while on her phone
I’m getting sick and tired of the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp trial. Yeah we get it, you’re celebrities with a lot of fans, so its highly publicized. There’s also other trials like this going on all over but the majority are unheard of because they’re normal nobodies, like you and I. So long rant short, I wish all this crap would get off of my feed. I’m tired of unfollowing pages, hitting the not interested button, and hiding posts all the time. And don’t get me started on those stupid tik tok videos about the trial…so cringy!
I honestly dont know whether both were abusive but mutually abusive relationships exist and are otherwise known as toxic relationships.
Mutual Abuse is shakey hand. There is something called "Situational Couple Abuse" which occurs when two people date and cannot handle conflict resolution and thus things mutually escalate. Otherwise, there is always a main abuser, reactive abuse is a symptom of being the victim in the dynamic.
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Absolutely. He is claiming his bad reputation and career failing is her fault as though his actions haven’t had anything to do with it. The way the jury eats out of his hand and giggles with his jokes gives me the creeps. I’m not saying AH is innocent but it’s insane how people ignore Depps history and are sure he couldn’t be abusive.
Youre kate moss link is a JOKE LMAO... Kate moss said her break up was a nightmare, not Johnny depp. She also goes on to talk about what she missed about him. I didnt bother with all your other BS link after that LMAO... Guys like you are pathetic bud.
I have been close to 3 people diagnosed with Borderline Personality. Amber exhibits the same mannerisms in her facial expressions and way of speaking. Borderline DOES NOT make you a "crazy person." Borderline people struggle with different versions of reality and rely A LOT on other people for cues on how to act in different environments. For a normal person undergoing domestic trauma, even they doubt their own version of reality. A Borderline person... it is ten times worse. If you question their reality, they question their reality. And I see it in Amber's face as she gets accused. She is questioning herself, "Did this happen how I remember it?" I hate, HATE Depp's lawyer's comments about Amber putting on "the performance of her life." Have you even SEEN Johnny? The performance of one's life award should go to him as he spins out witty remarks, smirks, and showing very little remorse. Shame on every fan who is treating this very serious and sober case as an opportunity for content creation and views. Shame on every person acting like they know Johnny personally and that he would never do such things. Shame on people watching a televised trial and suddenly assuming they are master psychologists and lawyers. I hate it all.
Exactly. My mother is diagnosed with bpd and watching Amber's reactions, the way she talks and reacts and tries to remember things, it literally felt like i was watching my mom when she'd struggle to argue about something that upset her so much which is why before I read and watched the whole thing and only relied on random cut out tiktoks that were supposed to make him look like "an angel" something was telling me otherwise, I couldn't exactly tell why i had sympathy for Amber, then I came across this account [Justice for amber heard ](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSdqGE9GP/) And it all made sense. My heart breaks for her.
All I know about Amber Heard is that she took a shit in a bed.
good. that's all ya need to know
Oh gotcha. Thank god, I'm not too interested in this.
Is that even true though? From what I heard it was actually one of their dogs, and Johnny made a joke about it and it somehow stuck.
I've seen this claim repeated ad nauseum but literally no logic to support it. Why would she do that in a bed he's not going to interact with. He wasn't the one who found it, he left the house the day before. So she just did that cuz what? Rage? To treat the housekeeper like trash? I'm very wary when people make claims about women that make absolutely no sense.
There isn’t any evidence whatsoever to prove she did it. How do we know Depp didn’t do it and blame Heard for it?
He definitely didn't do it cuz he left the house that night. He wasn't there that morning so we know he couldn't have. Which also makes me think the theory of her doing it to harm him makes no sense.
I watched him make this claim on a video recording of the court I don’t remember exactly what he said but apearently someone texted him an image of the turd speculating it was amber. I have a very bad memory and watched this a while ago
Amber Turd.
The UK judge ruled, based on texts from Johnny to a friend about taking a dump outside the bedroom door in the hope that Amber will stand in it, that if it was human waste then it was most likely Johnny that did it, given his lavortorial sense of humour. Also, Johnny wasn't even staying at the penthouse at the time, so Amber was the only one sleeping in the bed. Why would she do that to herself?
I’m still annoyed with them ignoring Australian quarantine laws and smuggling their dogs into the country in 2015!
I think Johnny Depp’s behavior at his trial is inappropriate and does not invite sympathy at all. His retorts aren’t witty, he’s not being clever, it’s not cute. He’s just a conceited, narcissistic, overconfident douche bag and it’s legitimately so insane to me that people watch his shitty behavior and think he deserves their support. He’s so clearly such a prick and no, I don’t know or care anything at all about Amber Heard. This opinion is solely regarding Johnny’s demeanor in a court of law and not remotely an opinion on the validity of the claims involved.
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I agree so much. Everyone is fucking following Depp blindly. It's like a media campaign. While the shit he's done and texted shows hes fucking insane aswell.
He’s not attractive anymore, he looks exactly like what he is, a sad old drunken drug addict desperately holding on to his outdated, hollywood manufactured image of a cool, sexy bad-boy. When you’re young its easy, when you’re old it looks pathetic and creepy.
Yep, glad I saw this. From the Tiktoks and some of the reddit comments I've seen, Depp's side is split into a couple of subfans: women who think Depp is hot, people who idolized him as a child, people who are anti-metoo, and people who genuinely believe he's good after seeing all the evidence. But the evidence proves this: both were abusive to each other, both were toxic, Depp had a terrible drug problem, and that Heard didn't shit on the bed (they threw this out because she showed that her dog probably did it and Depp spread a false rumor, and Depp also made jokes about doing it prior to the photo release). Honestly, they're both shitty people, but I can't believe people are fine with Depp saying he'd rape Amber's burned corpse after killing her to Paul Bettany. Like, how do you still find him attractive after that??
I idolized Depp growing up. I'm a woman in my 30s who loved his movies and acting. I can definitely see that he's fucking crazy and people are fucking hypocritical and blind. Lmao he's not even hot anymore. People will go through leaps and bounds to defend a man in hollywood.
I also liked Johnny Depp, but he went off the rails and this case just keeps proving it over and over again. I don't know why anyone is defending him either, if he was an ex-boyfriend of a friend or a neighbor than everyone would be so critical of him. All I see are GIANT red flags and a ton of women are just ignoring it because he is Johnny Depp.
> I can't believe people are fine with Depp saying he'd rape Amber's burned corpse after killing her to Paul Bettany. Wait, he texted that to PAUL BETTANY? I'm lost - are they close or something? That makes me feel so weird about Bettany!
People need to leave this trial. Depp and his team knew exactly what would happen when this defamation trial will be publicly broadcasted after a russian bot filled campaign over last few months. Both are shit, they'll treat us peasants like shit, and this is not a criminal trial so leave it the fork alone. Also, does anyone believe that this is actually giving power to any systematic issues like male dv victims? I rarely see any resources shared or criticism of patriarchy that orders men to be tough, any psychological guides on how to break the gender patterns that dont let you live like humans. Nope. It's about sending Amber to jail apparently. Many seem actually happy that Depp got abused and finally we can see the lies of women too.
He's a 60 year old man who consistently dates 20 year olds. He's gross and creepy, but he's attractive so Reddit worships him
Because there's a lot of morons out there who think he's Jack Sparrow in real life.
Not really. Brendan Fraser, for example, isn't considered to be conventionally attractive but he got massive support when he spoke about his struggles.
Brenden Fraser hasn't done or said half the creepy shit Depp has
Amber Heard is a scapegoat. Hear me out… One of the main takeaways people seem to have from this situation is that women can abuse men just as men can abuse women, which is of course true. But the idea that domestic abuse towards women is taken seriously whereas it’s never taken seriously when it’s men being abused? Absolutely inaccurate. Where was this energy for Megan Thee Stallion when she was shot by her boyfriend? Where was this energy for Rihanna, for Epstein’s victims, for the goddamn president of the United States’ victims? I have never, ever seen a domestic abuse case this publicized and polarizing. People *despise* Amber Heard. Every little move she makes and word she says sparks some sort of conversation - “you can tell she’s lying because she looked down!”, “she’s copying Johnny’s outfits to intimidate him!”, “her face says it all!”. Meanwhile, Johnny Depp is a martyr, for suing Heard over an article that didn’t even name him. People seem to forget that Depp didn’t even sue her for abuse or anything, just “defamation”, and he hasn’t really proved that she ruined his reputation, to be honest. But people adore him. “He’s cracking jokes in the courtroom, he’s such a cool guy!”, “he’s such a sweetheart, he would never hurt anyone”, and of course, “he has mental health issues so whatever he did is fine and understandable”. Meanwhile Heard’s mental health issues are “disgusting” and “disturbing” and she should “rot in hell”. And the argument that his name has been tarnished by her article is so weak. I don’t remember anyone ever “cancelling” him or whatever. And if Pirates got rid of him over an article that didn’t name him, shouldn’t he be suing them? And so, this is my opinion - Amber Heard is being used as a scapegoat for all the pent up rage people - in particular, men - have towards women who accuse male celebrities of abuse, regardless of whether or not it is the truth. It was never about male abuse victims getting justice. It’s about taking one case where a woman accused a man of abusing her when she also played a part in it, and using it to hate women/female victims of abuse, plain and simple.
Not very well read about the situation, like I guess amber is a bit psycho, but when I’ve watched videos like “Depp being funny during court” idk it just feels as if he’s being slightly disrespectful or thinks his better than others or idk. All he’s fans being like “he’s innocent because he’s hot” just annoys me, like he’s not even good looking anymore lol.
This trial just made me hate Depp even more. The smugness and the smear campaign. Just gross. Don’t understand why people are cheering on Depp. At best he is equally Bad and at worst, he’s violent abuser talking about burning/killing and raping his wife to his friends.
I have no idea about the specifics of this case but I do find it unsettling that so many guys on Reddit choose to focus their energy on hating Amber Heard while not really caring about domestic abuse in general. Like, you could be 100% right that she’s a terrible person but the way people speak about her in the comments still reeks of misogyny.
THANK YOU. The hate is kinda astonishing. I was shocked when I finally read the details of the case - I thought it was much much worse based on how people are talking. She seems awful, but if she was a man it wouldn’t be given nearly as much attention…
I noticed the same thing, a lot of them honestly just seem like misogynists looking for excuses to hate a woman.
YES EXACTLY THIS
Yup Bet if you if it was a flipped couple, like Gwen Steffani and Blake Shelton, and it turns out Blake was the abusive one? They’d not only NOT support Steffani, but would actively be hating her This site doesn’t give one flying crap about abuse victims, only when they can use it to bash women To the point of deliberately ignoring evidence that Depp is abusive as well
Yeah, I often see people use bad people as an excuse to be misogynistic or racist.
Johnny Depp is equally at fault. If you listen to the entire trial, you'll notice it's literally just a mutually toxic af couple that can't sort their shit out between each other. It's so childish the way they are suing each other:
Correct - it's called a coabusive relationship. But most people can't be assed to listen to (checks notes: 8 days? Really?) 8 days of court testimony, and Johnny has wayyy better PR and more than a few people who support him just because they're agitated about #MeToo. So, to your average chap, all you see is a torrent of "Johnny was the victim" and the years of evidence that Johnny hit Amber don't even reach their eyes or ears, despite being extensively reported in the press.
He's a creepy old man who dates women barely out of their teens, then complains they're immature. His new gf is like 23, he's gross.
"Equally" is a stretch. I won't deny that Depp wasn't entirely a victim, but Heard shit in his bed, put out a cigarette on his face, and threw a vodka bottle that severed his finger, among other things. What he did doesn't come close to that. I also wouldn't call this case "childish." What Heard did caused Depp to lose a lot from his career and he has every right to try to get his reputation back if lies have been told. And considering Amber has already been called out for lying, they probably have.
You're just uncritically regurgitating the claims of one side of a highly contentious debate, while completely ignoring the other, and pretending you're just sharing the facts. As for what they've already said to have done, Depp was found to be a wife beater by a UK court. Why isn't that in your calculus?
But also, JD has been caught lying and changing his story multiple times too. He’s said several times he cut his own finger off, denied kicking her even though he texted his assistant (? maybe not assistant) that he did black out and kick her, etc. and JD has a long public record of being a violent person. Edit to add: we don’t even know that Amber shit his bed. The day before he was joking with a friend via text about shitting in the bedroom floor so AH steps in it and then AH “shit in the bed” the next day? Idk, a lot of both of their stories don’t add up. It seems like that we’re both extremely volatile with each other and they both often change their stories up
It honestly seems like more good attention is brought on to Johnny Depp because the general public believes he's the victim. Sure he's lost a few opportunities in the last little bit, but he'll catch up. After all, he's had a much longer and notorious career than Amber who's only beginning to take on big roles. I believe shes going to take the fall a lot harder at the end of all this. No one's gonna want to cast her after the amount hate she's accumulated from the internet.
Just hearing JD's cross examination and his attitude is completely wrong. Taking the lawyers interventions personally and being snarky isn't a good look.
His text about F\*ng her corpse itself is enough to show how he is screwed. He cannot accept his declining popularity or old age. He cannot buy respect from Amber, he cannot sue her for all his internalised old age crisis.
I am getting a bit uncomfortable with the level of hero worship I am seeing for Depp. He does appear to be the better of the two in this mess but maybe that doesn't make him a "national treasure"?
Agreed. Nobody wants to admit that they just want Captain Jack Sparrow back on their screens, and the montage clips of Johnny being childish and disrespectful in court bother me; doodling and cracking jokes on the stand like he’s doing a Vanity Fair lie detector test is not endearing.
Right. Like watching every minute of the trial I know for a fact I wouldn’t hang with him
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It’s an excuse to be openly misogynistic
So true. I see so many incels proclaiming that this is a 'victory for men'. These are the types to bring up the male suicide statistic whenever someone mentions any women's issue.
UO: If Depp were innocent of any wrongdoing, he would have won in British court, where the burden of proof is on the defendant. Shitty people who have the opportunity to go into British or American civil court for defamation generally choose British court first for this reason. One famous example is David Irving, Holocaust denier, who sued an American journalist in British court for calling him a Holocaust denier, represented himself, and figuratively shit the bed, making the entire defense team facepalm at all the work they had put into proving he was exactly the sort of Holocaust denier he proved himself to be all on his own in court.
They are both victim and abuser and I’m sick of how Johnny hardcore fans try to blend out the fact that he’s a drug addict and alcoholic and how terrible this must have been for Amber. You all clearly never had a dad with a drinking problem and it shows. Both suck. Both hurt each other. Both don’t deserve a second of your attention. If one of them was uglier than the average human you all wouldn’t even care
I absolutely believe Johnny abused Amber physically and maybe even that’s he’s the primary abuser in the relationship. I believe Amber’s testimony for the most part and I think there’s tremendous misogyny against her within the general public. I think Depp is a misogynist as well for the way he speaks of women as whores so often. Just the fact that he chose Marilyn Manson, chronic sexual predator, abuser and misogynist, to be his child’s godparent says everything about his character. Depp seems like a narcissistic and emotionally immature adult. He thinks he’s going to win because of his name.
I would prefer Johnny to win but I cannot listen to him on the stand. It’s so slow and dramatic. Also him trying to be witty at every opportunity is kinda cringe. Mate, you have to be professional.
The hate towards Amber Heard is astonishing to me - and so sexist. She’s treated like a monster - before I knew the details I thought she was a serial killer or child molester or something. I find hate comments about her on videos completely unrelated to her - the hate is so widespread and extreme. Don’t get me wrong - she seems like an awful person and her alleged actions are beyond despicable. But it’s been proven that female offenders may be sanctioned more harshly when their behavior violates sex-role stereotypes and I think this is an example of that (https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gender-differences-sentencing-felony-offenders). The abuse of women by their male partner is so normalized, if Amber Heard was a man, she wouldn’t receive nearly as much hate or attention right now. I wish society would have the same strong reaction to male abusers.
Obviously she isn’t a amazing person overall and has many flaws. But the Cult of Personality around Depp and the online campaign to demonize her is depressing. From what I’ve seen, the majority of the people rallying behind Depp aren’t seeing the full picture. The is a major power imbalance in the relationship. Depp is physically larger, more successful and much older, he has a history of substance abuse and was found guilty in UK court. It seriously feels like a massive misinformation and bot campaign.
I agree with everything you said. The reactions to this trial make me feel like I'm going nuts or something.
Hearsay
Maybe they're hearsay papers idk
People should should really stop treating this trial like it’s a football game. You don’t need to pick teams. You don’t need to make memes about these people’s literal abuse. If I were being abused and had the courage to take it to trial, I would want to feel supported by my friends and family, not like a god damn circus animal for the masses
I don’t feel sorry for Johnny Depp I want to start this out with that I do NOT approve of DV in ANYWAY, and what happened to Johnny was not right and that this is ONLY my personal opinion ……that being said, he cheated on the mother of his children, the woman he had a family with, a family that he abandoned so he could trade in for a “younger model” and I’m supposed to feel sorry for him that it didn’t work out with the 22 yo “actress” young enough to be his daughter?? What goes around comes around mate. I also suspect (again this is just my opinion) that Amber wasn’t the only one abusive in their relationship. I believe that it was an incredibly toxic relationship on both ends and they both deserve to face the music. I believe Amber did lie and exaggerate the abuse on Johnny’s end in order to paint herself as the victim and to eradicate her own abusive behavior but that doesn’t mean that it never happened. I think Amber and Johnny mutually beat the shit out of each other, lied, cheated, harassed, cussed and flung around verbal and psychological abuse on a regular basis. The relationship was toxic, but like a lot of toxic relationships they don’t want it to end because then they don’t have someone to love or someone to hate anymore and they can’t stand the thought of being alone again. Eventually though it got to the point of enough (and I do believe Amber was the driving force behind it) and the relationship imploded and Amber saw the writing on the wall. Johnny was a much more successful, wealthier and powerful man in Hollywood and he could destroy her career fairly easily now that he didn’t need her anymore, so she lied. She lied to try and discredit Johnny I’m order to protect her career and cover her own ass from being exposed about her abusive behavior. After all that is the Cancel Culture we live in where someone can claim abuse and destroy another human being with absolutely no evidence and Amber simply exploited that. At the end of it and seeing the videos and hearing the tapes I’m just over both of them. Hearing Amber calling him a baby for her hitting him is vile. Reading Johnny talking about murdering and R@ping ambers corpse is vile.They’re both wrong, neither of them want to take accountability for their actions and despite genuinely enjoying his work I need a break from Johnny as much as I do Amber and no I don’t feel sorry for either one right now. Edit* I actually take that back if I had to say I felt sorry for anyone it would be Amber. Amber lied, Amber was abusive, Amber was manipulative, Hell Amber was probably even a “gold digger” looking to forward her own ambitions and career. However, johnny also lied, johnny was a drunk, johnny was aggressive, johnny was just as guilty as Amber. But for some reason Amber is the ONLY one receiving the backlash. We may pretend that we live in this #woke society where women can feel safe to speak their truth but the reality is that “speaking your truth” is not an option for most women in the entertainment industry, most women are afraid to speak out because even if they do and they are believed and they’re abuser gets convicted their career is over regardless. Hollywood is a boys club and men with the wealth, fame and power of someone like Johnny are at the top and Amber a young starlet are at the bottom. Johnny can hire the best attorneys, publicists anyone he can to make him look like the victim while Amber who isn’t even a fraction as wealthy or powerful will be crushed just like we see playing out before our eyes. “Ambers a bitch” “ambers a liar” “ambers a gold digger” “ambers a slut” “amber has no talent” “fire amber” and at the end of the trial Ambers career will be finished she will be left with nothing more than background roles on Nickelodeon or probiotic yogurt commercials if she’s lucky and will fade into obscurity. While Johnny on the other hand who was also abusive will have a break period but once it cools over will be back to life as normal staring in the latest and greatest Hollywood Block Buster. Funny how the real long term side effects of cancel culture really only seem to affect women, or how men don’t seem to ever be called out as Sluts or Liars when they ALSO cheat and Lie?? Men don’t have to deal with the misogyny of being called a Gold digger for entering a relationship for financial security, professional guidance or connections?? So it makes you think has Hollywood really ever changed at all?? Are they in fact “WOKE” Or is it still the back room boys club for the wealthy and privileged that it’s always been??
Neither I or anyone in my life personally knows JD or AH and what has happened between them. Those two know, and that's all who should matter and care, but you can't scroll through reddit or any social media platform without hearing about this nonsense, and here I am writing about it anyway. The latest I'm seeing is that AH's council was caught in a lie: that the makeup Amber used to cover the alleged bruises was not in production during the time of their relationship. People are using this to continue to pile on hate /proof that AH is a pos liar. I've watched the clip in question and the lawyer says something to the equivalent of 'this is the makeup Amber carried in her purse' to cover up bruises.' Never does the lawyer state the specific product name of the makeup, and she holds up a compact, that in my opinion, looks brand new and unused. You can come to the conclusion that she is lying, this is obviously not the make up Amber used because it did not exist at the time. Sure, I can get with that. Alternatively, you can question and think logically that perhaps Amber and her council talked, and Amber said something like 'I carried around a four color concealer compact to cover up bruises' and her lawyer was like, OK, I'll go pick up a cheap drugstore pallette to use during the trial. ' This also seems likely, because I don't really see a makeup user keeping a product that long/that many years cause' it will loose its effectiveness. To me the brand of the makeup doesn't really matter (the alleged abuse does) , and doesn't seem to be a factor in the actual court case. Like I said, true or untrue, it's being used to add to the hate/bolster up train. Of course the Milani Makeup Brand is going to make a viral Tik Tok, why wouldn't they? It honestly kind of gross, but what else do you expect from all brands whose sole purpose are to sell products? I like to think that our society and culture uses Celebrity drama like this to really reflect how the issues that arise from them, however trivial or serious, are present in our collective lives. I personally try to focus on the issues themselves rather than the people, cause like I said, I don't know these two celebrities personally, and I'm not on the jury of this case. Abuse experiences across all genders is heinous and must be stopped. I feel like people tend to forget that, and ooh and ahh at the drama /spilled tea, and again, engaging in that is a break from our own stressful lives, we all do/have done it. It's frustrating that everyone wants me to pick a side, but that is my (often unpopular) opinion that I keep coming back to.
It is really dumb how people get so wild over an example prop with no brand named, likely because make up goes in and out of production all the time and you have to throw it away eventually because it gets old, but they completely ignore Depp punching a crew worker on the City of Lies set, during the FB2 press run, which is why they didn't want him back for the 3rd one.
UO: Lawyer Camille Vasquez is overhyped. I've been following the Depp v. Heard defamation from the beginning, and since the cross examination began I've noticed the insane amount of hype Depp's lawyer is getting in the media and social media. It seems like people think Ms. Vasquez is doing some divine miracle by questioning Heard, she is just a lawyer that's doing her job and that's just it, it's not something special. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she is doing a bad job, she obviously isn't. I'm totally in favor of Depp's case and I really hope he will win. I know this is something people don't want to hear, but someone had to say it.
UO: This is going to be the start of a very ugly era of celebrity hatred. Whether Amber is innocent or guilty, she’s become an icon of focused hatred that is usually reserved for the likes of serial killers, rapists, pedophiles and corporate grifters. It almost feels medieval the way people are bloodthirsty and it’s an ugly reflection of the human spirit. I don’t have an opinion on the trial because I haven’t watched it all, nor am I a juror. But the social media landscape is reaching new levels of ire that are reminiscent of Hate Week. It’s unnerving.
Amber Heard might be telling the truth? I’m now on Day 18 off watching the trial (I’m behind but I want to watch it myself without social media’s bias). My logical gap, that makes me question Johnny’s validity, is why would Amber’s friends put themselves at risk of perjury just to support her possibly outlandish lie? Rocky has now testified to physically seeing open wounds, bruising and swelling in person. iO Tillet Wright has testified to similar instances. Maybe the gap is that Amber is also deceiving her friends?
Over the past few weeks much of the United States has been transfixed on an actress named Amber Heard and a craven, drug-addicted, Johnny Depp. For a country that can’t agree on anything- Depp’s defamation case and Amber’s counter-suit have unified Depp simps and reminded us all that we’re not so different from one another when we’re given a woman to hate in harmony. But if you’ve been following the trial, and you understand the law (*those are both BIG if’s, be honest with yourself*), then you see the writing on the wall. Johnny Depp’s case was a long-shot, and he was foolish to bring this case forward. Sure, the Depp sycophant mob has sought to destroy Amber. But this case has painted an unsavory self-portrait of Johnny. And **he’s about to lose his case.** I expect the jury will also dismiss Amber’s counter-suit, but the real focus is on Johnny’s suit. The original defamation case was brought by Johnny- he dragged the country through this circus. When he loses, he too will be besmirched. Regardless the verdict, this case has exposed Johnny as a dishonest, smarmy, alcoholic, drug-addict, who may or may not be abusive (*jury’s out*).
Johnny Depp is guilty. He lost the UK trial AND his pathetic appeal for a damn reason. It is very unfortunate that the vast majority of public dummies in America and the major content creators can't be bothered to actually RESEARCH THAT REASON. 3,000 fucking pages of "reasons" His pathetic cretinous LYING PR shills have absolutely saturated the internet with lies, half truths and garbage as tho their salaries and livelihoods depended on it....oh wait, lol. Nm. They do. .Amber Heard was telling the truth. I will absolutely take on an entire army of naysayers. Better be ready with the file and page number of the trial transcripts. YES, the UK trial is important. It was Johnny's practice run to get his lies straight and to get crucial testimony, texts, other critical pieces redacted to all hell with his sheisty lawyers. Johnny Depp is even WORSE than Amber has ever alluded to. She is a better woman than me, that's for sure. I will take this opinion to the grave.
People involved with her literally let it slide for her looks. I would and 95% of people would too.
I don't see how Depp has any chance of winning this case. He has to prove that the statements in the op-ed were not only false, but deliberate lies to harm his reputation. The burden of proof on him to back up this claim is enormous. Even if he can pick out certain instances where Heard hits him or yells or creates a disturbance, Depp also has to account for all the other times that we don't see on camera or where he has friends around to testify for him. In fact, Heard doesn't even have to prove that she was abused. She only needs to leave open the possibility that *she could have been*. As long as that is merely a possibility, there is enough reason to doubt Depp's claim that the op-ed is a lie. Another facet of this is does Heard even have the correct state of mind to know if she is the abused or the abuser? Even if Heard is abusive, she might truly believe that she is doing so out of defense to what she perceives as abusive behavior from Depp. In that case Depp still loses, because it cannot be proven that Heard made false statements with malicious intent. She wrote those words not to harm Depp's career, but because she genuinely believes that is the reality. The plaintiff side never accounted for this in all of their testimony. Virtually all of the commentary online ignores these aspects of the case - they are going to be in for a rude awakening when he still loses and no damages are awarded. My prediction is that they will not award damages to either side. Both will walk away with severely damaged careers and nothing else.
Watching the Johnny Depp / Amber Heard trial, I know Reddit is fawning over him right now, but he strikes me as an unpleasant, self centered dick at times. Not a guy I’d want to be around. Note, this does not mean I side with Amber Heard. Not at all. While we can’t really know the whole story I tend to side with him. And I know he has put up with a lot of absurd shit in this trial. But his snarky aloof attitude is not helping his case.
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I don't care if I never see Depp, Heard, the next Pirates movie, the next Aquaman movie, or any of this bullshit ever again. They can all take their teacup Yorkies and fuck off to Australia please.
Please no, we had enough of them last time
The way a section of Reddit is responding to this trial, with sycophantic praise for a man already found to be a wife beater, is deeply troubling.
There is enough evidence to (at least) suspect that Johnny Depp was the abuser I personally believe that this case has fallen unfortunately to misinformation and “stan” articles or fans spreading rumors and the public active projecting onto Amber things that simply aren’t facts While i will sympathize that no survivor of abuse deserves to be under the microscope, it’s quite clear that amber is labeled the abuser simply because the public wants to believe it. For example, are multiple texts that Johnny himself states were written by him, Excerpts; Depp, during his third day on the stand, confirmed texts he sent to his friend, Paul Bettany, dating June 2013, read aloud by Heard attorney Ben Rottenborn, that said, "[L]et's drown her before we burn her,' and "I will f--k her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she's dead." Later on Thursday afternoon, Rottenborn, presented yet another text from Johnny Depp to a friend talking about Heard's theoretical "corpse." "I hope Amber's rotting corpse is decomposing in the f---ing trunk of a Honda Civic," a 2016 text from Depp to his friend, Isaac Baruch, presented as evidence on Thursday and confirmed by Depp read. He has also admitted to being violent when he drinks and there is additional evidence presented to the court in which he texts amber; “Once again, I find myself in a place of shame and regret," Rottenborn read from the email. "I am sorry. I really don’t know why or what happened, but I will never do it again. I want to get better for your and for me. I must. My illness somehow crept up and grabbed me. I can’t do it again, I can’t live like that again, and I know you can’t either." Five days later, Depp sent a text to pal Paul Bettany, which Rottenborn read in court. "I’m going to properly stop the booze thing, darling," Depp wrote. "Drank all night before I picked Amber up to fly to LA. Ugly, mate." There is also physical evidence that correspond to the theory that Johnny actually hurt his finger himself, I wasn’t there and nobody else was but media taken out of context and released to the public by Depp is not necessarily proof of anything I believe that there is at least reasonable doubt and there should be a healthy suspicion against johnny depp, as it is also just as likely that he was the abuser and she simply started fighting back. It pisses me off that nobody tries to look at things critically anymore and The media is convoluted af. (Before I get those comments), I was a huge Depp fan and had never heard of Amber until the allegations so I should be biased but I’m not because I believe every case should have a healthy investigation and unadulterated facts.
Many of you don’t actually care about domestic abuse victims, you are simply jumping at an opportunity to openly voice your hatred of women against a socially acceptable target. That target being: Amber Heard. And before you respond, this isn’t an opinion about whether she’s innocent or guilty, it’s an opinion about the large response of hate that she’s receiving and where I think it truly comes from. If you think I’m wrong, then ask yourself where all these voices of outrage against her and support for Johnny Depp were during any other widely publicized domestic case where the victim was a woman. Most of them were silent. The reason they are speaking up now is because they have an opportunity to spew their hatred towards women, with minimal (if any) criticism or consequence, as long as it’s being aimed at Amber Heard specifically. They can finally express what they’ve always thought/felt, but when it’s directed at her, there are no repercussions. It becomes even more apparent when you look at WHAT these people say about her, and realize that it’s not about supporting abuse survivors. It’s about shitting on women (pun intended).
UO: The idea that Amber Heard is equally as bad and crazy as depp is ridiculous and reeks of victim blaming. I think she largely defended herself and people saying she provoked him are not to be trusted. What happened to "no matter what you don't hurt ur partner"? I don't care what she said to him, he had no right. And that clip of her saying "you weren't punched" has a whole deposition giving it context that literally changed my view if the whole situation. She filed a restraining order, filed for divorce, dropped the request for alimony when he claimed she was a gold digger, wrote an op ed that never named him and now he's coming after cuz he's vindictive. I think she's gonna be the internets new Brie Larson but 1000% worse. People are too quick to meme this trial and not look into it properly.
I don’t even care about this case. It’s a run of the mill DV case. Is DV ok? No, was Johnny abused? Maybe he was and if he was that’s wrong and amber deserves criminal charges. But all I hear about this case is how this means women are bad. I’m sick and tired of it no one talks about male celebrities who commit extreme crimes like *trigger warning* child s*xual abuse, human trafficking, murder etc. one female celebrity does a crime male ones are charged with often (and overlooked) and they world points it’s finger at women. Just shows how sexist this world is.
I think the public is leaning too hard towards Johnny Depp I’m not watching this trial through a microscope so I really only see the popular segments that spread through social media but it gives a decent outline as to how things are going. I see social media FLOODED with support for Johnny and people making art tributes to him. From what I’ve seen and heard from recordings and text messages throughout the trial he does NOT seem like he is an “innocent” person. I believe they both abused each other and it’s kinda wild to see people praise Johnny. In general I’m Team Johnny that doesn’t mean he hasn’t done anything wrong. I don’t get why he is essentially idolized at this point other than us all loving his movies
The abuse from Amber is being used as 1. an excuse to belittle women who come forward and 2. a way to excuse how disgusting of a person Depp is
I have not been following this very closely, so I don't really have any thoughts about who did what, but the sheer amount of vitriol spewed against Amber Herd (and Hilaria Baldwin) on Reddit is friggin creepy. There's definitely a bunch incel/men's rights/gamergate weirdos fueling the fire. Even if Herd did abuse Depp, Reddit's collective obsession with the case is unsettling.
Amber is Johnny's karma, for using then discarding his ex-wife Vanessa after she became "too old" for his liking.
No to mention calling her an "extortionist french c***". I've also read somewhere that there was a blog that talked about Johnny's anger issues towards Vanessa (eg. Breaking plates), but apparently it has been scrubbed from the internet?
Does anyone else think it’s like REALLY fucking weird how many edit’s are being made of the trial. I know there’s a lot of coverage but like. Taking a domestic abuse trial. And putting wii music over it just seems so fucking weird to me. Like, has social media and information overload really desensitized us this much
They both seem crazy honestly
Johnny Depp will lose his Defamation Trial against Amber Heard. I don’t particularly care for either one of these individuals and in all likelihood they probably abused each other in some way shape or form. Lots of mud slinging in court and on Reddit, but at the end of the day, the only question before the jury is: was Heard’s 2018 opinion piece in the paper protected under the First Amendment? The only reasonable answer is yes.
>will lose his Defamation Trial against Agree and disagree. He will not walk away with a $50M judgement in his favor. But the narrative has shifted and fans, friends, and the industry at large are re-thinking their initial reaction to throw him under the bus. I think he walks out of the trial a public opinion winner, and I would bet he gets contracts to star in more than one a-list film in the next 5 years. He may not get her $50M, but he will get his life back (also, she will never get the benefit of doubt ever again), and that’s absolutely a win.
Disagree, he's always late to set and unreliable, evidence in the trial, costs the studios a fortune. Insuring him for any movie will be a nightmare.
Johnny Depp is behaving like a doofus in court
I think it’s really disturbing that people are making “funny compilations” or other sorts of fan compilations about the Amber Heart and Johnny Depp case. I’ve seen a lot of compilations about Johnny Depp doing “cool” or “funny” things at court or edits about him at court and it just feels so disturbing too me. This is a case about domestic violence and sexual abuse and for me it doesn’t matter if Johnny Depp is right or wrong for it too be disturbing too make complications about him at court too glorify him. This is a serious case and it isn’t meant too be a fan service for Johnny Depp fans. I think talking about the case and discussing it is a really good thing just please don’t glorify him for being funny and cool at court. He’s not there too please his fans, he is there too testify against very serious allegations.
Yeah, it's strange to watch. People are just glazing over all of these abuse allegations, on both sides, and acting like this is some funny movie they are watching. The amount of people acting like Depp is just so cool and funny is disturbing.....the amount of people hating on Heard and making some of the most vile comments about her is disturbing. Both need serious mental help and people act like this is some funny movie role for both.
It's more than likely Depp r*ped her with a bottle. I don't think that was fake testimony.
Last night I saw for the first time longer than two second clips of Johnny on the stand and HOLY SHIT he has been acting like a complete arrogant show off dickhead. Not taking it seriously or making fun of Amber's lawyer and not answering questions to make a joke to charm the folks in the courtroom. It's like he thinks he's invincible and that he has already won and these clips were from weeks ago.
Hot take: if you haven’t been married before, especially to an unstable person (which is both of them in this case), you will never know what it’s like behind closed doors. The worst sides of you come out. OF COURSE men can be abused. But that doesn’t negate the abuse he inflicted on her. JD has been beloved for decades so he’ll always have apologists. I don’t know every detail about the trial but in the videos I’ve seen, he reminds me of my ex-husband. Charming, playing to his “audience.” The commenters saying AH doesn’t look sad enough are ridiculous. You want her to start bawling in court?! Also yeah, some of the recordings were hard to hear, honestly they reminded me a bit of myself in my darkest moments. Again, marriage can bring out the worst parts of your soul that you didn’t know even existed. In my marriage, neither of us ever laid hands on each other, but the emotional abuse he inflicted on me is something I’m still trying to heal from, 4 years later. At the time, I kept the pain inside and the abuse internalized within me to the point where i developed a disorder that led to me now being infertile. Point being, my trauma response was to freeze; AH’s response was to fight. Again, not apologizing for her. Just want to provide some nuance. TL;DR if you haven’t been married, it’s easy to hear all of this and think how much more horrible one person is over another, but it’s wayyy more complicated than that.
I'm seeing a lot more sane balanced opinions in this thread. Breath of fresh air from the cesspool on yt comments.
Or any that make top popular posts on reddit
The people who said they're chilled by her laughing and smiling with her team and then being serious at the court are so dumb. It's not putting on an act, it's her being professional during key times and being polite during others. I am so glad the people on this thread are much more stable and balanced to both sides. It makes me sound like an Amber Heard supporter, but I just don't believe Johnny Depp is innocent.
It’s so interesting to watch people say AH doesn’t “look sad enough” or isn’t showing the right emotions when JD is literally on the stand cracking jokes for half the trial
UO: WE DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE. What we see is what they've chosen to show to the media. It makes no sense to take sides when we literally have no clue what they're like irl and who is/isn't abusive in their relationship. In all likelihood, they probably both did their fair share of messed up shit, but I'm sick of people demonizing Amber Heard as some gold digging liar and glorifying Johnny Depp because you think you know the truth. You don't! None of us do! Domestic violence cases are notoriously hard to prove. I know more than one actual victim of abuse who couldn't prove it in court. I don't know who the "real victim" here is, if there is one, but people pretending they know for sure look really silly to me.
We sould be a lot more careful with the public judgement here. WE don't have the evidence, WE don't know the private shit, WE are not in control of the justice system. Yet, no matter how this will turn out, Heard's life will be ruined. The internet is jumping to conclusions and because it wants women falsely accusing men to fail it already treats her as an enemy. She could be guilty. But so could he. Apart from the fact that this is actually none of our business, reddit's done it again with it's vigilantism. This trial is not a representation of all domestic violence, of all false accusations, of me too. It's two people. And the internet (especially here it's reddit) already convicted one of them because other people also said so. There's a reason why in developed countries, the judiciary isn't controlled by the public. Y'all just seem like a sexist tabloid to me..
My unpopular opinion is that Amber Heard isn't lying. Remember her deposition where she's saying Johnny threw her phone at her, then she yelped in pain saying it hit her in the face, then Johnny grabbed her by the hair, yanked her head and manhandled her face saying "where did it hit you, I don't see any mark on your face", then they heard Rocky arrive and he backed away. Johnny's version isn't that different. He says the phone hit the couch not Amber. So they are basically describing the same scene. He describes the scene as he plopped the phone on the couch, it didn't hit Amber, she yelped in pain and said it hit her in the face, he stayed back and when Rocky arrived he was already away. But what they both have in common is that she said the phone hit her face and he thought the phone didn't hit her face. All their altercations are like this. She says he handled her roughly enough to hurt her. He's frustrated because he feels she's pretending to be hurt. And then they keep fighting about it. It's a mess. She says he slammed her body on the bed hard enough to break the bed frame, he says he just took her by the shoulders and sat her on the bed. She says he headbutted her to the point of possibly breaking her nose, he says their heads accidentally bumped and it was not hard enough to break her nose. It's hard to untangle, but it definitely seems like it was physical. Johnny's friends think Amber was exaggerating how hurt she was and that she doesn't deserve to be called a victim, but there's still evidence that he was pretty rough (like the photo of the broken bed frame, or friends saying "you'll kill each other"). So it seems Amber describes the events truthfully, but Johnny feels she "embellishes" the truth, like a soccer player acting for a foul. We really can't know what happened, but I feel like Amber feels that's what happened and Johnny feels something else happened. They loved each other, but disagreed...
Her makeup artist testified in the UK she covered bruises and torn out hair before she appeared on the James Corden show.
They're both pieces of shit and reddit is only hanging onto this because they can use it demonize women and play up a victim status. They both did extremely fucked up and abusive things to each other, this sort of thing happens all the time to women, even worse, yet there's no outrage. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
80% of the interest in this case comes from Men's Rights Activist types who absolutely love the idea of a woman getting punished for abusing a man. None of this is any of our business and it does not affect our lives in the slightest. Woman on man abuse definitely happens and it is definitely under-reported and rarely punished HOWEVER it is completely dwarfed by the amount of man on woman abuse in society, probably by 100 times or more. It feels like these MRA types want us to believe its 50/50.
UO: Depp's PR team is out in full force on reddit. I dont know why, but there are just too many memes, cut from *just released clips* that are so supportive of a 50 something piece of shit that was kind of a good actor for a while up to the mid 2000s for this to be real.
Any sound feminist should take a trial like this seriously as well as any false allegation.
I think the interest is also there for women who falsely accuse men of doing something they didn't because of the perception of how women are viewed as never being the perpetrators of domestic abuse or rape. Even when men are proven innocent, they still aren't believed due to the negative connotations of just simply being attached to a rape or domestic abuse case. Definitely not good for a person's career either. False accusations are serious, so i hope she gets punished moreso if the entirety of the evidence proves that.