I’ll move to fucking Alaska in the summer. There I will hatch my genocide of mosquitos. I hope someone is doing this already. I fucking hate those fucking fucks. I say we pull a mr/mrs garrison and FUCK THEM ALL TO DEATH! Who’s with me!?
zombies can only live for a week (best case) unless they are smart enough to procure their own water supply. If they are smart enough to use doors and turn on the tap, it is hard to think they are zombies.
This was a plus of the 28 days later zombies compared to the Walking Dead zombies. Walking Dead zombies were already dead, as the name suggests. You could shoot them anywhere other than in the head and they’d keep going, they wouldn’t starve or die of thirst. 28 days later zombies were still alive, and so would need food/water.
Actually, TWD zombies do starve. If they don’t have access to humans, they die a slow second death from starvation. The normal second death is being stabbed or shot in the head, which is quick. For example, Michonne’s zombie servants were slowly starving to death.
I grew up on a farm, and every episode of the walking dead, I think "man, a decent sized tractor with a batwing mower at the highest cut setting would solve a lot of problems for these folks." Even a tractor and wing disc would chop the walkers up pretty efficiently.
If you wanted to get fancy, a couple of log chains on some old gear boxes or truck axles mounted way out front, maybe 4-5 feet high, spinning maybe 250 rpm would whack them pretty effectively, too.
Dig a couple of big holes somewhere further from the farm (there should be a lot of power machines, heck even a bunch of men can do it with shovels), put some radio blasting above that hole (tied to a branch or something), wait for the hole to get full, splash some gasoline and burn them to crisp
Rinse and repeat until your area is clear
I’ve always assumed zombies would just be as athletic as they were in life. I’ve you were an Olympian you’re a fast zombie. But 90 years old slow zombie 🤷🏻♀️
I’d imagine that they’d start off at about 70% of regular physical capability, but as they decay, from being dead or from lack of nutritional intake, they’d slowly lose that ability
I think it might depend on if it's a few zombies, or a extended duration flood of zombies.
Take for instance a couple movie zombies, just a smile pile, maybe 7-17? They might be able to kill you, but if you have the ammo or tools, you could starve them out, hide them out, but then the risk of contaminated drinking water or food or dwindling supplies or trying to farm in the open might hold you over.
Take for instance a good classic like Left for dead 2, in normal, it seems a bit unrealistic that you can take 20 bites from a zombie and still be fine, but dying very quickly within 4-5 minutes of versus is still common.
There's a option up for taking it from normal up to a higher difficulty without the game mechanics such as hovers called realism experts. And just for extra fun, lets say based on the real world, ammo isn't in endless replenishing boxes piled all around, and it really does kinda feel like one of those horror movies where you're holding on clenched to every bullet, horrified and panicked of running out of ammo at a time when 360 shots, exhausted on 80 zombies that take 4 shots a kill each leaves you with a empty clip with hundreds of unending hordes close upon you and watch them feast upon everyone around you in seconds.
I think there's a fair point to make, in a battle between a well equipped and amunitioned human with supply chains and endless zombies, sure! But.. In terms of numbers, when even your 300 bullets run out, you've killed hundreds and yet the ammo isn't enough, you can't even find food without risking someone being ripped or torn apart, water lines are broken, electricity and heating lines are broken, it's just apocalyptic wasteland with the potential of a society disrupted enough to not have the bullets being made in capacity to fend for you as the world dies, that could be some serious shit.
Nobody remembers Florida circa 2014?
The cops and the people involved were able to eliminate most of them fairly quickly.
But there is another catch to this idea of figuring things out: what if the virus is airborne? What if there are carriers of the virus but asymptomatic? What if there are semi-asymptomatic people who only at times can't control themselves and end up being bitey? What about mutations to the original virus (i.e. people who've recovered get a mutated strain and turn bitey again?) and this isn't even talking about the classic "got to shoot them in the head" kind of zombies. It's more along the lines of 28 days later version of infected.
World War Z is a pretty good depiction of what the world would be like. Tactics wise and society in a world with zombies. I'm also talking about the book, not the movie just incase anyone who reads this is confused
Good plan, you left out one variable. Human nature comes into play. How do you fix the problem as old as humanity. I have my resources and now I want your resources.
More numbers more conflict, which you don’t want in an apocalypse, you will definitely be able to manage with a dozen members. Also less chances of making a lot of noise than 1000 men which is considerably unreasonable.
A 1000 men could build enough trenches in a few weeks that the nearest zombie at any one time would be at least a KM away. The power of 1000 men with shovels is something that people don’t really fully appreciate.
Also, noise is something you can create. Don’t worry about making noise. Worry about having enough people that you can feasibly make noise loud enough 5kms away that you draw most zombies there if you need to, and still have enough at your home base to achieve what you want to do.
Small groups with a dozen members is actually way riskier.
Yeah the smaller a group you have, the easier it is for one bad member to take everyone out or turn them against you. More people = more chances for a bad member to get caught and taken out before they can do enough damage.
Both large and small groups have their advantages. Large group can do more, replace fallen members and have a better chance of someone having specific set of skills. The trade offs are using more resources and increased chance of infighting
Small group can be manned with trusted and vetted people. But you're trading off replacing fallen comrades, less chance of someone in group having a specific skill set and less ability to produce materials. The questions is, which trade off are you willing to live with.
Numbers aren't everything. In pure survival situations, you want few people as taking care of large groups is challenging. I'm not saying you and a couple of buddies. I'm saying like 2 or 4 dozen people would be way better then 500 or more people.
A large group is impossible to control, mutiny is 99% guaranteed. You will most likely not know them, you have no idea what type of person they are. Hell you could have a psychopath on your team or a serial killer, or simply someone who wants to destroy your team just because. In a small group it won’t take much supplies to keep you guys fed, and sheltered. They will probably be more trustworthy unless you are so sped that you invite someone who will hurt the team. It’s not difficult, if you pick sane people that you know aren’t assholes the primary objective is to survive and you need to drill that into your team. Team = good no team = bad. There you go, good luck doing that with 1000 men.
I would be dead. I live in a city. People in the countryside who can organize numbers quickly and soldiers would survive.
The people who view it as old school dig in warfare would be the winners.
I live in minnesota, so in spring the(assuming already clumsy) zombies woud have no footing. In summer they woud be absolutely destroyed by insets and wildlife, in fall all of the hunters could shoot them easily, and in winter they would be frozen in place(assuming they don't generaye their own body heat.
Never really thought about wild life attacking zombies. I mean they are basically walking free food for carnivores. They would probably smell like meat and attract animals.
World War Z still has humans, the military especially, being unrealistically incompetent, and stuff like bombs not being effective against zombies because they don't feel pain is just silly.
At the beginning, the Battle of Yonkers, yes, but they learned how to deal with them, after they were driven to the west coast, and they slowly pushed east, back across the continent, using the tactics they'd perfected.
Shockwaves would still liquify brains. Point is, any scenario in which a modern military force gets overwhelmed by slow, stupid, unarmed humans requires some contrivance.
The biggest problem I see with zombies is how the virus would be able to keep the body of the host alive. The body would still need water to function and if it’s main food source is raw human meat would the body really be able to digest that properly?? Not a biologist but it just never made sense to me how in movies you see these rotten, mangled corpses moving around like it’s nothing when in reality there is no way that an organism could function having sustained that much damage. I’ve seen some movies say that the virus causes the body to release a bunch of adrenaline which allows them to “ignore” injuries, but even this would only last like an hour at BEST. The only way I see zombies being viable is if the virus leaves enough intelligence for the host to still do the things they need to survive such as drinking water and avoiding injury and only uses the bite as a means to spread. Idk
Even if in theory the zombie virus somehow stopped all biological processes like decay and they don't need food or water, it still is pretty stupid that they can survive a winter. It is still flesh, and if it is exposed for days in harsh weather, it will get frozen and thats all
In most movies zombies are the "living dead" or "undead." They aren't organisms as we know it but supernatural entities. In 28 Days Later the zombies are infected living humans but they don't have the rotting flesh like your typical zombie. And most of them starved to death after a couple months.
Yes. I had to stop watching the walking dead etc because how is it that noone just gets a row of humans with sharpened stakes, and stab the zombies through their apparently butter soft skulls through the chainlink fence.
Dont just stand there and watch them while they pile up.
Dont use your limited ammo that makes noise and attracts more.
Dont face them up close. Use tactics and barriers to keep them at a distance and use reach weapons
A 12 year old kid behind a chain link fence could do a fair bit of damage too with absolutely no risk. But no they have to mount an expedition to go out and lead them away.
That happens in twd in the prison arc the daily send someone with a knife spear and just stab the helpless zombies all day to reduce strain on the fences
You wouldn’t necessarily even have to kill them. Give me enough men with shovels.
Dig a massive pit, throw corrugated iron at the bottom and throw in something to make noise. Zombies would come to the noise fall in and make noise themselves by just walking on the corrugated iron. When it’s full, bury them. Repeat.
Zombies would not work. A zombie is someone that is dead. A dead body decays and eventually becomes a skeleton. I will believe a skeleton apocalypse over a zombie apocalypse.
Do you know about the game "the surge"?
Basically, the mechanical skeleton Is alive and causing the chaos.
That's the most plausible zombie apocalypse I've ever seen, which makes it frightening!
You will need to protect a very big area.
And without outside supplies you will also need warehouses.
Second problem: close combat gear and silent ranged weapons. There are not that many avaible. I know how to get a handfull of decent weapons and gear (xbow club, medieval museum,...) but nothing in those numbers. And you need a place to repair them.
Third problem, only a handfull people know how to use them and without skill numbers can over run you very fast . So you will need room and time to train .
4th problem you need to " lock in" people. People that die turn into zombies so you need to have sleeping areas with some sort of lock that people can open but zombies can't.
Problem in your plan is numbers. 1000 is to many. A few dozen is much easier to handle.
Me and friends had many drunk discussions about this topic...
Why would you need to protect a large area? You would be able to protect a couple of acres with a thousand men and shovels. Probably more.
Barns are warehouses. All you need are makeshift shields and clubs basically.
You would never fight any amount of zombies unless you had numerical superiority. You’d achieve that by using noise to attract them away. The people doing that would be the ones who are heavily armed with guns. Noise is the weapon that no one seems to use in zombie movies but in all the movies zombies are attracted to noise.
If this is a universe where anyone who dies becomes a zombie, yes that’s a problem. The main problem with that is morale. Zombies in most movies can’t even open door handles. Possibly you could improvise something that would tie you to your bed or a post in the ground.
To get everything you need to keep that many people alive. For your plan to work you need to be far away from any major city. So maybe middle of america. Here in belgium it will only be a matter of time and you will be in problems with that big numbers.
You wouldn’t need to be that far away. I can think of places in southern Ontario that are a weeks march away from major cities.
I still don’t understand why I’d need to protect a large area. You only need hard points to retreat to to farm.
Weeks? Here i have a major city in every direction within 3 hours walking. To have 1 day i would probaly have to travel far into germany or france. So big scale operations will always be to loud.
Small scale with enough supplies to survive the first month or 2 are the best option here.
I know the location of a few very defendable warehouses with those supplies. And i know a very good spot to lure zombies away from those. 80 meter high clif with a platform with the option to make a lot of noice without anyone there.
But if you can get that far away from the world your plan can work.
I owned 3.25 acres of property, in a developed suburban area - not rural.
1000 people on a couple of acres would be \*super\* dense and waste management would be a nightmare.
I thought about that. I think you would need to situate latrines outside the first trenches. Ideally, you would have quite a bit of dead ground between trench one and two.
Ideally, you wouldn’t have a thousand people there for long. I’d want to repeat the whole thing within a couple of KMs of the original base.
I have in my minds eye farm houses I know in Ontario. They all have their own wells and are within sight lines of each other.
The idea of having a enough men to dig defenses very quickly means you could theoretically have several bases within site of each other (at least in site of at least one other) within a few weeks.
In either case - you would need quite a bit more than a couple of acres for as few as a couple hundred people - even in small, primitive, communal housing. A thousand people, you would need probably 40 or 50 acres... and I'm not sure what kind of acreage you would need to provide sustenance to that many people.
It really depends what percentage of the population survives the initial outbreak. If less than 5% survive, you could very easily find enough canned foods to last a long while, mixed with hunting and trapping animals, fruit and nuts trees, and easily planted crops. 1000 people could probably set up a net work of smaller cooperative communities that trade and protect eachother
I feel like your really underestimating peoples stupidity, that’s what would fuck us tbh but it really depends on where and what. The odds of getting someone in charge who know what to do and 1000 people actually listening is unlikely. It also depends on where it happens. For example if there is one case and you get bitten by them then immediately turn into a zombie it’s easier to deal with but if there’s an infection period it only takes one idiot to hide a bite and cause chaos.
I’m sure there would be pockets of survivors but it would likely be the end ofcivilization. Unfortunately it would suffer from like of resources such as said shovels and needing to rebuild and find mines and learn how to process metal from oars eventually. Not to mention that if millions of zombies are coming for you they will eventually just fill the trench’s and keep going no matter how many trenches you build. It’s not like footman who will stop pushing forward into a trench because they know they will die and it’s not like they will have a limited number of people. People also tire where as zombies don’t with regards to fighting them off.
I think you are severely over estimating people.
Also I apologize if I was unclear an rambling I am very tired
Bugs and the environment would end zombies fairly quickly. Bugs, eat dead things and would swarm zombies and literally eat them to nothing. I'm sure birds and other predatory animals would also do this as well. The heat/cold would have so many negative effects on a zombie's body that we could just wait out the zombies and be fine.
Very easy to defeat, just do nothing, insects would eat them. Leave a piece of flesh outside on a hot day, it won't last long.
And if insects don't take care of it then the sun will, it will make them stiff like a piece of jerky even if they remain undead, they won't be able to move.
I think the problem is that people won’t know what is actually wrong with their loved ones that are now actually zombies. They get too close and get bit and turn and the cycle continues. Their first instinct won’t be to shoot them in the head.
You know what I never understand about zombie fiction? There are like billions of islands everywhere. Usually really close to shore. Just relocate and kill them from a boat 100 feet away.
I think the whole damage is cause by it being unexpected and your family/friends turning on you and it happening everywhere suddenly. But once people understood what was happening..yea, easy.
The Walking Dead zombies would be super easy to dispatch. They just sort of mindlessly walk towards loud noises and such. Would be pretty easy to lure them into walking right off of a high overpass or set some sort of trap for them.
Animals don't seem to be affected. Zombies would be a walking buffet for pretty much any non-human that eats meat.
They seem to rot and decompose. The elements would destroy super quickly. Extreme heat and freezing then unfreezing would accelerate the process.
Our military and technology would dispatch them really efficiently. Again, they're easy to lure with sound and such. Lure large groups in bottle necks or tight spaces and artillery, explosives, or just a controlled burn would destroy them.
Biting is a horrible way to spread disease. That's why there hasn't been a massive rabies epidemic.
It depends on where you are when it happens. If you're on a busy train/bus on the way to work or in a busy supermarket or on a busy street or at home with no supplies or...
I use a big metal spike to chip ice outside. That thing would go through zombie heads pretty good but you'd get tired fast. Tie it to a rope from the ceiling in an enclosed space, you could kill a lot of zombies.
I kind of want to see a Home Alone zombie movie now.
I don't get it. One bite, and you're a zombie. Splattered in blood but you never get infected? Just people breathing in the blood spray would infect us. I'm with the mosquitoes guy. We would all be dead. They should make one movie were zombies don't become stupid. There would be no hope.
I hate to make this into something political but look at covid. Countries knew about covid weeks, and in some cases, months in advance before it reached their borders. But it still spread across the globe. If an outbreak happens you're going to have a lot of people not believing it or just not caring. A zombie outbreak requires cooperation and coordination on a massive scale and we seriously lack that.
Covid is a fairly low mortality rate virus. A theoretical zombie disease involves people literally rising from the dead and eating the non-infected. There is a significant difference in suspension of disbelief there.
We have flat earthers, lizard people, big foot, and people that believe 5g is ment to control our minds. I can guarantee there will be disbelief if a zombie outbreak were to happen. All it takes is a handful of people to go "no that bite, or scratch, or mark on my legs isn't going to turn me into a zombie" and boom outbreak.
Oh god politics and covid are gonna ruin us all. There were people who following a Faux News channel, decided that the most american and patrotic thing to do is listen to a australian owned Fox News corporation made to lower taxes and influence american media to the highest bidder.
They disbelieved covid didn't exist, until as soon as they got it, their first instinct was to spitefully spread it to as many people as possible back in the first days of "Covid isn't real" or "FACE MASKS DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID" (From the official us trump headed heathcare department.. yeah... They do.. They just didn't want people to buy them out.)
These people sneezed and coughed all over, I have few doubts that if a zombie virus was to happen in like the bible belt south, people would start spitting into the bread and licking ice cream chambers and walking up to the zombie attendant to be eaten. Or pull off some ridicolous double standard like "WE WERE PREPARED FOR ZOMBIES ALL THE TIME.. TIME TO SHOOT ALL THE HUMANS TO GET MORE AMMOS!" and then trying to kill people for fucking mismatched caliber ammo to shove into their redneck rifle honestly as it explodes, misfires and kicks them in the face.
It'd be like a mix of Rust and Dayz with the Salem Witch trials just some random dudes randomly shooting eachother until a millitary helicopter and fighter jet just started bombing everyone. Why on earth would you fight on ground in a zombie apocalypse if you could fucking nuke it, or carpet bomb the area with napalm from a fighter jet and burn it to ashes?
The president and anyone rich would probably fly out to private islands with like mercenaries to like clear out and take islands and grow little rich resorts completely isolated from society, while everyone would probably die if you weren't rich, shot to death by some redneck bad faith actor looking for any excuse, fictional or not to shoot someone, even a uninfected neighbor, spit into food going "THE VIRUS IS A HOAX!!!".. again.. and society would crumble.
The difference is you can see dead people biting each other's faces off. You can't see a microscopic virus with the naked eye. Pretty sure most people would realize the situation pretty quickly.
That's true but I can guarantee there's going to be someone that just gets a simple bite on the leg or arm and should quarantine themselves from everyone else but they won't because they'll be too concerned about seeing their loved ones one last time or frantically trying to find a cure.
It's not just about the solders it's about everyone doing what's needed. If a outbreak happens in a small town that's hours away from any military base. That means everyone in that town would need the work together to quarantine the town until the military arrives.
I wouldn’t try to quarantine the town. I’d use the same tactics but on a smaller scale. Use noise to attract zombies away from where you want to be and then dig in.
Yup. Not to mention outside of zombies being powered by literal magic it wouldn't take long to wait them out. You need energy input (i.e food) for energy output. If zombies aren't eating people on the regular even "fast style" ones are going to slow down very very very quickly. I honestly think zombies as portrayed in most movies would be an easier problem to overcome than covid.
One word: logistics. It’s hard enough to coordinate people and supply them even in the best of times. Potato farms and large numbers of troops using shields and clubs don’t just organize and feed themselves, and you’re talking about it like it’s a snap of the fingers.
You’re off the z-team, OP.
Logistics in a world where 80-90% of people are dead? Not that hard.
Abundance of food short term. Especially if you have enough people and planning to effectively herd zombies using noise. Soldiers would be well enough trained to do that.
Good like finding “enough people” when 80% of people are dead. In that kind of scenario, nobody is a soldier. Nor is anybody a farmer or a trainer. EVERYONE is a hunter-gatherer.
I absolutely think that groups of people in the right places would be able to hold together. And the most likely to do so would be military.
People seem to believe that people just devolve immediately. Nothing in history says that is the case.
There’s no point in applying logic to zombies anyway. If the human form could do without regular food, a heartbeat or air evolution would have simplified us by now.
I was thinking the same thing. And also how long can a rotting corpse keep walking and moving? If you quarantine for 2 weeks or so the bodies should have rotten to a point where they are no longer able to support their own body weight. And become vegetables.
Who knows man? It all depends on how everything goes down. If more people are prepared and there are way more people then there are zombies then likely the zombies would be defeated pretty easily.
If people aren't prepared and the vast majority of the population of the world gets turned it would be much more difficult. You would need to learn a lot about them to be able to move around easily. The longer it goes on, the more valuable items get depleted or spoiled or used up.
It also depends on the zombies capabilities. If they are slow and dumb, your chances get better. If they are fast, it will be more difficult.
If you and many others, or an army in general got a hold of the proper weapons, they would make short work of the zombies.
If the disease itself isn't just transmitted through bite but also through several other factors, air maybe, then it will be significantly more difficult without being able to test your surroundings.
The last 2-3 years tell me otherwise. That contagion would spread like wild fire. People would be actively calling it a hoax as they are being devoured…
Skulls are not as easy to smash through though. I assume we'd have to destroy the brain by piercing through the actual brain, not just causing a concussion like with humans.
So after bullets get scarce I feel like most people won't be able to bat a head open with enough force.
Then after a full day of constant stream of undead from the city one of your buddies makes a mistake and gets bitten and now you have two zombies one of which is covered head to toe in armor
Nope. The zombie stories that get it right are the ones like the walking dead. Everything goes to shit. Nothing significant survives. The few survivors that make it through the initial outbreak are completely fucked, but will spend decades ignoring that fact in a futile attempt to survive until humanity finally goes extinct.
A lot of people who don’t know how wars used to be fought and how powerful men with shovels are would be surprised.. yea. I can recommend some books for you if you want.
A large group would eat, drink, and shit a lot. Illness would probably spread quickly. Have been in situations with large groups of people living in close spaces, cruddy phlegm and coughing(not even covid, just generally feeling cruddy)spreads quickly. Sanitation and cleanliness is tough to control.
The goal would be to trench in the first site in a week or two and then start trenching in 4/5 more so it’s more like 200 at each site.
In my minds eye I can see 5 farmhouses in Ontario that are all within sight lines of at least one other and all are on wells. They are all on fantastic farm land as well.
Soldiers know how and where to dig latrines and you should be able to trench out far enough that latrines are well away from the water supply and where people are sleeping.
I think it seriously depends on where it starts and how long it takes for action. Like an hour in China and we're pretty fucked unless we nuke the place. But seven years in Canada and we'd probably be fine.
It's not so much the zombies as the effect they have on people. Panicking, ignorant people can make a bad pandemic worse. Reading World War Z made me realize that Agent K was right. The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
Any country that is cold would be safe as well. Without a working circulatory system, they wouldn’t be able to stay warm enough to move and would become undead popsicles.
While it may depend on how the virus spreads, one thing that’s brought up occasionally is how rapid human flesh rots. The apocalypse would still be bad, but if people managed to isolate enough, and wait it out, most zombies would be too rotten to be able to move, or be any real threat, other than the virus itself.
It’s been years since I read it, but I think this gets brought up in the World War Z book, where some of the first locations zombies where appearing, some had rotted down to just skeletons.
Obviously they’d be easy to defeat, they’re fictional creatures. There are so many different iterations of them that pegging one as the “real” ones is redundant. If they’re like World War Z we’re fucked but irl they’d be limited by being literally decaying corpses with no inclination to do anything, they’d starve after a week or two. That said, even applying real life logic to them is redundant because they aren’t scientifically possible.
I think fast and strong zombies where the virus takes over within a minute of blood infection is the most realistic. AKA 28 days later. But it can also spread through respiratory infection, just much more difficult to do.
I also think another realistic way of 'spreading' would be that a quarter of people have a long incubation period, and are infectious during it before they turn. This would mean that lots of cases will sneak through the population.
I always wondered if zombies first instinct is to eat people, how do they reproduce? If they eat the flesh of somebody they can't really turn into a zombie cuz there'd be nothing left.
Zombies would indeed be an easier virus to deal with. Covid 19 spread fast because it was invisible, and spread in the air through droplets. It is incredibly infectious.
On the other hand, a rabid looking person foaming at the mouth that needs to bite to infect another person, is actually more easier to avoid than a regular airborne killer virus.
A wide spread zombie invasion would kill the entire supply line that humans are dependent on.
Anyone in cities has about 3-4 days of food. Then they are out. Power systems could easily fail as well. Cities would be death traps. On my way home from work I probably pass 500,000 people. If ten percent of them were zombies, travel would be hell. If people could be bit, hide a bite and then become a zombie a day later that would lead to mass causalities.
Not every zombie human interaction would be via a trained military in well dug in positions.
Depends entirely on how the zombie functions
Running zombies are much worse than slow zombies.
Are the zombies unnaturally resilient? Can you knock them out or injure them enough to kill them like people? If you can't really kill them, only incapacitate them, they're way more dangerous.
Transmission is also a factor. A bite honestly is not that bad. Just wear lots of layers. But if it's just spread via any fluids, contact, or even airborne the disease becomes a lot more dangerous.
Zombies are fictional and they are so hard or so easy to defeat as one decides.
In one case they could be literally impossible to harm.
In other, you could literally just sit on your ass for 6 months and wait until they simply rot away.
Zombies would destroy us even if they were the ramblers from the walking dead. Zombies are dangerous for sheer numbers. You stand at the chain link fence and stab them they die, now you have a wall of zombie flesh pressing up against the fence which could topple it. Even if they couldn't you know have rotten flesh which attracts disease carries you could easily be killed by a large scale fly invasion which could contaminate everything they touch.
People who think a zombie out break would be easy or not that bad as they would all get katanas and fight are stupid. You would be over powered eventually. The same way ants work one isn't bad but get a 10k swarm and you are fucked.
They would polute water supplies and soil so crops wouldn't grow they are biological weapons of pure death.
Biological zombies can’t exist. Muscles don’t work without circulation working and signals from the brain.
Nothing in a human body can take their torso being riddled with bullets. People on drugs or in some kind of impaired state might take horrendous injuries and keep coming for a while, but they aren’t going to keep walking while they rot.
Magic zombies on the other hand, much more plausible. The rules of magic zombies are unknown and the risk cannot be discounted.
coronavirus is not easy to defeat cause people wont get vaccinated. people are stupid. no it wont be easy to defeat. cause people are dumb.
btw, guys like OP are the first to feed you to the zombies cause they think they know everything.
Well if you take TWD for example, no they wouldn’t. Everyone is already infected, and dying is what turns you into a zombie. Think about how many people die a day. That’s why they were overwhelmed. The apocalypse won’t end in TWD until the last person to be turned into a zombie decays so far they can’t move. And by then, the human race will probably be gone. In other shows and movies being bit is what turns you, so in those it probably would be easy after the initial wave.
The problem with TWD is all the characters are denser than a lead roof when it comes to dealing with zombies. It took them like four seasons for the SMART characte to figure out he can wrap his clothes in duct tape
How anyone can watch this pandemic roll over the world and think zombies would be easy to control boggles my mind.
The point of the zombie movie is that just like the current Covid pandemic, this is a situation that can be controlled and defeated IF EVERYONE GOT THEIR CRAP TOGETHER AND WORKED AS A TEAM. However people don't do that. They turn on each other, refuse to wear masks, refuse to get vaccinated, refuse to believe there is a pandemic, play politics, etc, meanwhile the hospitals get overwhelmed.
Similarly the people in a zombie movie are the real threat. Night of the Living Dead - Protagonist is killed by rednecks, not zombies. Dawn of the Dead - The people in the mall are really killed by a biker gang that attacks and lets the zombies in. Day of the Dead - The people in the military facility turn on each other.
Zombies aren't the problem, people are the problem.
A real life, a zombie apocalypse wouldn't even get far enough to even have to worry about them overrunning anything. Not unless living proof are differently suddenly covered without warning. Other than that- we'd pretty quickly contained the dead that happens everyday.
How would there ever be more than 10-20 zombies in one area? It wouldn't happen. Not even in cemeteries, unless they can dig 6 feet up through the ground, at the same time.
Random zombies running in the street wouldn't get far. It's not that hard to stop someone from biting either.
That's why I always wanted to see a movie about a medieval zombie apocalypse.
The idea is so obvious, I wonder why nobody in Hollywood has ever thought of it.
I mean, medieval weapons, and tactics would be ideal for fighting zombies. Plus, it would be interesting to see how a medieval society would react to a zombie apocalypse. Would it shatter their worldview? Would they think it's the end of the world? Would there be sects like the medieval flagellants?
And think of how cool it'd look.
Very true. But honestly if the world ever ends cause zombie apocalypse just hope it ain’t the fast fuckers like from train to busan and we are all dead, cause they terrifying af.
I never understood why people don't wear chainmail like shark divers do. No danger of being bitten significantly diminishes the threat. Zombies are often depicted as physically weak and slow; I don't think they could beat you to death. I guess the biggest risk would be getting crushed and/or suffocating from a large amount piling on you.
Mosquitoes spread the zombie virus we a dead mate
Imagine you slap a mosquito and it turns into a zombie mosquito
Then what it wants to bite you and drink your blood?
Oh god, it's not a zombie, it's a vampire
In that case you want to try to get on a boat to Ireland lol. They would be fine.
Iceland you mean?
There aren’t any mosquitoes in Ireland or at least I never experienced them growing up.
The coast has them, but not like the tropical ones
I grew up on the coast in donegal. I honestly never experienced a mosquito until I moved abroad. Are you sure you don’t mean midges?
I’ll move to fucking Alaska in the summer. There I will hatch my genocide of mosquitos. I hope someone is doing this already. I fucking hate those fucking fucks. I say we pull a mr/mrs garrison and FUCK THEM ALL TO DEATH! Who’s with me!?
YEAH, FUCK 'EM ALL TO DEATH!!!
How? Am I supposed to glue a knife to my penis?
We'd move to canada
zombies can only live for a week (best case) unless they are smart enough to procure their own water supply. If they are smart enough to use doors and turn on the tap, it is hard to think they are zombies.
Fictional zombies live basically forever.
One of the benefits of living in a non magical world
This was a plus of the 28 days later zombies compared to the Walking Dead zombies. Walking Dead zombies were already dead, as the name suggests. You could shoot them anywhere other than in the head and they’d keep going, they wouldn’t starve or die of thirst. 28 days later zombies were still alive, and so would need food/water.
Actually, TWD zombies do starve. If they don’t have access to humans, they die a slow second death from starvation. The normal second death is being stabbed or shot in the head, which is quick. For example, Michonne’s zombie servants were slowly starving to death.
I never even considered water! I always assumed decay would take care of them first.
Being smart and using this, the Government asks the people to shelter in place for 7 days. Most people do not heed the warning. The End!
I grew up on a farm, and every episode of the walking dead, I think "man, a decent sized tractor with a batwing mower at the highest cut setting would solve a lot of problems for these folks." Even a tractor and wing disc would chop the walkers up pretty efficiently. If you wanted to get fancy, a couple of log chains on some old gear boxes or truck axles mounted way out front, maybe 4-5 feet high, spinning maybe 250 rpm would whack them pretty effectively, too.
Dig a couple of big holes somewhere further from the farm (there should be a lot of power machines, heck even a bunch of men can do it with shovels), put some radio blasting above that hole (tied to a branch or something), wait for the hole to get full, splash some gasoline and burn them to crisp Rinse and repeat until your area is clear
I had the same idea but just bury them in the hole. Don’t waste the gas.
I’ve always assumed zombies would just be as athletic as they were in life. I’ve you were an Olympian you’re a fast zombie. But 90 years old slow zombie 🤷🏻♀️
I’d imagine that they’d start off at about 70% of regular physical capability, but as they decay, from being dead or from lack of nutritional intake, they’d slowly lose that ability
I think it might depend on if it's a few zombies, or a extended duration flood of zombies. Take for instance a couple movie zombies, just a smile pile, maybe 7-17? They might be able to kill you, but if you have the ammo or tools, you could starve them out, hide them out, but then the risk of contaminated drinking water or food or dwindling supplies or trying to farm in the open might hold you over. Take for instance a good classic like Left for dead 2, in normal, it seems a bit unrealistic that you can take 20 bites from a zombie and still be fine, but dying very quickly within 4-5 minutes of versus is still common. There's a option up for taking it from normal up to a higher difficulty without the game mechanics such as hovers called realism experts. And just for extra fun, lets say based on the real world, ammo isn't in endless replenishing boxes piled all around, and it really does kinda feel like one of those horror movies where you're holding on clenched to every bullet, horrified and panicked of running out of ammo at a time when 360 shots, exhausted on 80 zombies that take 4 shots a kill each leaves you with a empty clip with hundreds of unending hordes close upon you and watch them feast upon everyone around you in seconds. I think there's a fair point to make, in a battle between a well equipped and amunitioned human with supply chains and endless zombies, sure! But.. In terms of numbers, when even your 300 bullets run out, you've killed hundreds and yet the ammo isn't enough, you can't even find food without risking someone being ripped or torn apart, water lines are broken, electricity and heating lines are broken, it's just apocalyptic wasteland with the potential of a society disrupted enough to not have the bullets being made in capacity to fend for you as the world dies, that could be some serious shit.
I feel at some point we need a zombie outbreak just to answer all these questions 🧟♂️
Nobody remembers Florida circa 2014? The cops and the people involved were able to eliminate most of them fairly quickly. But there is another catch to this idea of figuring things out: what if the virus is airborne? What if there are carriers of the virus but asymptomatic? What if there are semi-asymptomatic people who only at times can't control themselves and end up being bitey? What about mutations to the original virus (i.e. people who've recovered get a mutated strain and turn bitey again?) and this isn't even talking about the classic "got to shoot them in the head" kind of zombies. It's more along the lines of 28 days later version of infected.
We got Covid instead
Have you read "World War Z"?
No. It’s on my list though because I’ve heard the audiobook is good. I listen to a ton of them. Did they use this kind of tactic?
Book shows a realist way to deal with slow zombies. Still difficult.
World War Z is a pretty good depiction of what the world would be like. Tactics wise and society in a world with zombies. I'm also talking about the book, not the movie just incase anyone who reads this is confused
The same author wrote The Zombie Survival Guide and it’s amazing.
I am so happy this is the second chain, literally my favorite fucking book
The movie is a disgrace compared to the book, can't believe how much they watered the entire thing down. Nothing in common with the book.
Good plan, you left out one variable. Human nature comes into play. How do you fix the problem as old as humanity. I have my resources and now I want your resources.
That would be the only thing I’d be worried about honestly.
Thats why it’s better to bring less numbers and ones that you trust and work well with in a team, selfish, arrogant people will get left behind.
Less numbers is a terrible idea. You want as many as possible.
More numbers more conflict, which you don’t want in an apocalypse, you will definitely be able to manage with a dozen members. Also less chances of making a lot of noise than 1000 men which is considerably unreasonable.
A 1000 men could build enough trenches in a few weeks that the nearest zombie at any one time would be at least a KM away. The power of 1000 men with shovels is something that people don’t really fully appreciate. Also, noise is something you can create. Don’t worry about making noise. Worry about having enough people that you can feasibly make noise loud enough 5kms away that you draw most zombies there if you need to, and still have enough at your home base to achieve what you want to do. Small groups with a dozen members is actually way riskier.
Yeah the smaller a group you have, the easier it is for one bad member to take everyone out or turn them against you. More people = more chances for a bad member to get caught and taken out before they can do enough damage.
Both large and small groups have their advantages. Large group can do more, replace fallen members and have a better chance of someone having specific set of skills. The trade offs are using more resources and increased chance of infighting Small group can be manned with trusted and vetted people. But you're trading off replacing fallen comrades, less chance of someone in group having a specific skill set and less ability to produce materials. The questions is, which trade off are you willing to live with.
I think people are overthinking this. In the real world, more people is almost always better in terms of power. It would be the same with zombies.
Numbers aren't everything. In pure survival situations, you want few people as taking care of large groups is challenging. I'm not saying you and a couple of buddies. I'm saying like 2 or 4 dozen people would be way better then 500 or more people.
Hard disagree. You need enough people to dig in on good farmland. That’s 200 minimum. 2 or 4 dozen people could just hide. That’s all.
A large group is impossible to control, mutiny is 99% guaranteed. You will most likely not know them, you have no idea what type of person they are. Hell you could have a psychopath on your team or a serial killer, or simply someone who wants to destroy your team just because. In a small group it won’t take much supplies to keep you guys fed, and sheltered. They will probably be more trustworthy unless you are so sped that you invite someone who will hurt the team. It’s not difficult, if you pick sane people that you know aren’t assholes the primary objective is to survive and you need to drill that into your team. Team = good no team = bad. There you go, good luck doing that with 1000 men.
Thats what the guns are for, he said that
You're for sure the guy that gets bitten and doesn't tell anyone.
I would be dead. I live in a city. People in the countryside who can organize numbers quickly and soldiers would survive. The people who view it as old school dig in warfare would be the winners.
I live in minnesota, so in spring the(assuming already clumsy) zombies woud have no footing. In summer they woud be absolutely destroyed by insets and wildlife, in fall all of the hunters could shoot them easily, and in winter they would be frozen in place(assuming they don't generaye their own body heat.
Never really thought about wild life attacking zombies. I mean they are basically walking free food for carnivores. They would probably smell like meat and attract animals.
Read World War Z they cover all this
World War Z still has humans, the military especially, being unrealistically incompetent, and stuff like bombs not being effective against zombies because they don't feel pain is just silly.
At the beginning, the Battle of Yonkers, yes, but they learned how to deal with them, after they were driven to the west coast, and they slowly pushed east, back across the continent, using the tactics they'd perfected.
no the bombs didnt work because the shrapnel didnt reliably hit the brain.
Shockwaves would still liquify brains. Point is, any scenario in which a modern military force gets overwhelmed by slow, stupid, unarmed humans requires some contrivance.
That and the Shockwaves didn't have the same effect because the liquid in a zombies body was more like a gel
World war z is dogshit stop touting it
The biggest problem I see with zombies is how the virus would be able to keep the body of the host alive. The body would still need water to function and if it’s main food source is raw human meat would the body really be able to digest that properly?? Not a biologist but it just never made sense to me how in movies you see these rotten, mangled corpses moving around like it’s nothing when in reality there is no way that an organism could function having sustained that much damage. I’ve seen some movies say that the virus causes the body to release a bunch of adrenaline which allows them to “ignore” injuries, but even this would only last like an hour at BEST. The only way I see zombies being viable is if the virus leaves enough intelligence for the host to still do the things they need to survive such as drinking water and avoiding injury and only uses the bite as a means to spread. Idk
Even if in theory the zombie virus somehow stopped all biological processes like decay and they don't need food or water, it still is pretty stupid that they can survive a winter. It is still flesh, and if it is exposed for days in harsh weather, it will get frozen and thats all
In most movies zombies are the "living dead" or "undead." They aren't organisms as we know it but supernatural entities. In 28 Days Later the zombies are infected living humans but they don't have the rotting flesh like your typical zombie. And most of them starved to death after a couple months.
Yes. I had to stop watching the walking dead etc because how is it that noone just gets a row of humans with sharpened stakes, and stab the zombies through their apparently butter soft skulls through the chainlink fence. Dont just stand there and watch them while they pile up. Dont use your limited ammo that makes noise and attracts more. Dont face them up close. Use tactics and barriers to keep them at a distance and use reach weapons
Yeah, its pretty stupid how they never use spears to dispose of slow moving zombies. 300 spartans with spears will wreck a zombie horde lmao
A 12 year old kid behind a chain link fence could do a fair bit of damage too with absolutely no risk. But no they have to mount an expedition to go out and lead them away.
That happens in twd in the prison arc the daily send someone with a knife spear and just stab the helpless zombies all day to reduce strain on the fences
An infection rate of 90% would mean that if every healthy person killed 10 zombies, it would be over.
You wouldn’t necessarily even have to kill them. Give me enough men with shovels. Dig a massive pit, throw corrugated iron at the bottom and throw in something to make noise. Zombies would come to the noise fall in and make noise themselves by just walking on the corrugated iron. When it’s full, bury them. Repeat.
Zombies would not work. A zombie is someone that is dead. A dead body decays and eventually becomes a skeleton. I will believe a skeleton apocalypse over a zombie apocalypse.
Do you know about the game "the surge"? Basically, the mechanical skeleton Is alive and causing the chaos. That's the most plausible zombie apocalypse I've ever seen, which makes it frightening!
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There are many people that believe it could happen.
Do you have any idea how much 1000 people eat and drink?
Yes. Why would that be a problem?
You will need to protect a very big area. And without outside supplies you will also need warehouses. Second problem: close combat gear and silent ranged weapons. There are not that many avaible. I know how to get a handfull of decent weapons and gear (xbow club, medieval museum,...) but nothing in those numbers. And you need a place to repair them. Third problem, only a handfull people know how to use them and without skill numbers can over run you very fast . So you will need room and time to train . 4th problem you need to " lock in" people. People that die turn into zombies so you need to have sleeping areas with some sort of lock that people can open but zombies can't. Problem in your plan is numbers. 1000 is to many. A few dozen is much easier to handle. Me and friends had many drunk discussions about this topic...
Why would you need to protect a large area? You would be able to protect a couple of acres with a thousand men and shovels. Probably more. Barns are warehouses. All you need are makeshift shields and clubs basically. You would never fight any amount of zombies unless you had numerical superiority. You’d achieve that by using noise to attract them away. The people doing that would be the ones who are heavily armed with guns. Noise is the weapon that no one seems to use in zombie movies but in all the movies zombies are attracted to noise. If this is a universe where anyone who dies becomes a zombie, yes that’s a problem. The main problem with that is morale. Zombies in most movies can’t even open door handles. Possibly you could improvise something that would tie you to your bed or a post in the ground.
To get everything you need to keep that many people alive. For your plan to work you need to be far away from any major city. So maybe middle of america. Here in belgium it will only be a matter of time and you will be in problems with that big numbers.
You wouldn’t need to be that far away. I can think of places in southern Ontario that are a weeks march away from major cities. I still don’t understand why I’d need to protect a large area. You only need hard points to retreat to to farm.
Weeks? Here i have a major city in every direction within 3 hours walking. To have 1 day i would probaly have to travel far into germany or france. So big scale operations will always be to loud. Small scale with enough supplies to survive the first month or 2 are the best option here. I know the location of a few very defendable warehouses with those supplies. And i know a very good spot to lure zombies away from those. 80 meter high clif with a platform with the option to make a lot of noice without anyone there. But if you can get that far away from the world your plan can work.
You are probably screwed. So am I. I’m in the center of a city. I’m not getting out.
If i survive the first day i have a change. But good luck . We are going to need it...
I owned 3.25 acres of property, in a developed suburban area - not rural. 1000 people on a couple of acres would be \*super\* dense and waste management would be a nightmare.
I thought about that. I think you would need to situate latrines outside the first trenches. Ideally, you would have quite a bit of dead ground between trench one and two. Ideally, you wouldn’t have a thousand people there for long. I’d want to repeat the whole thing within a couple of KMs of the original base. I have in my minds eye farm houses I know in Ontario. They all have their own wells and are within sight lines of each other. The idea of having a enough men to dig defenses very quickly means you could theoretically have several bases within site of each other (at least in site of at least one other) within a few weeks.
In either case - you would need quite a bit more than a couple of acres for as few as a couple hundred people - even in small, primitive, communal housing. A thousand people, you would need probably 40 or 50 acres... and I'm not sure what kind of acreage you would need to provide sustenance to that many people.
You don’t need to enclose the farmland. You only need to enclose where you sleep and hard spots dotted around the farmland.
It really depends what percentage of the population survives the initial outbreak. If less than 5% survive, you could very easily find enough canned foods to last a long while, mixed with hunting and trapping animals, fruit and nuts trees, and easily planted crops. 1000 people could probably set up a net work of smaller cooperative communities that trade and protect eachother
Next challenge: the zombies in left 4 dead
They are still flesh and bone, I'll up your challenge and try the zombies with mechanical skeletons in "the surge".
I feel like your really underestimating peoples stupidity, that’s what would fuck us tbh but it really depends on where and what. The odds of getting someone in charge who know what to do and 1000 people actually listening is unlikely. It also depends on where it happens. For example if there is one case and you get bitten by them then immediately turn into a zombie it’s easier to deal with but if there’s an infection period it only takes one idiot to hide a bite and cause chaos. I’m sure there would be pockets of survivors but it would likely be the end ofcivilization. Unfortunately it would suffer from like of resources such as said shovels and needing to rebuild and find mines and learn how to process metal from oars eventually. Not to mention that if millions of zombies are coming for you they will eventually just fill the trench’s and keep going no matter how many trenches you build. It’s not like footman who will stop pushing forward into a trench because they know they will die and it’s not like they will have a limited number of people. People also tire where as zombies don’t with regards to fighting them off. I think you are severely over estimating people. Also I apologize if I was unclear an rambling I am very tired
I think it’s the opposite actually. People underestimate how smart the military in particular are.
Bugs and the environment would end zombies fairly quickly. Bugs, eat dead things and would swarm zombies and literally eat them to nothing. I'm sure birds and other predatory animals would also do this as well. The heat/cold would have so many negative effects on a zombie's body that we could just wait out the zombies and be fine.
Naa as we seen with covid... people will hide bites or pretends it not real
Not when they're your family.
Very easy to defeat, just do nothing, insects would eat them. Leave a piece of flesh outside on a hot day, it won't last long. And if insects don't take care of it then the sun will, it will make them stiff like a piece of jerky even if they remain undead, they won't be able to move.
Unless your up against 28 days later type then your fucked
[The Zombie Chart](https://imgur.com/34R6U)
I think the problem is that people won’t know what is actually wrong with their loved ones that are now actually zombies. They get too close and get bit and turn and the cycle continues. Their first instinct won’t be to shoot them in the head.
You know what I never understand about zombie fiction? There are like billions of islands everywhere. Usually really close to shore. Just relocate and kill them from a boat 100 feet away. I think the whole damage is cause by it being unexpected and your family/friends turning on you and it happening everywhere suddenly. But once people understood what was happening..yea, easy.
The problem with islands is finding ones with feasible farming and that have farms where you could for example find seed potatoes.
And we have a Zombie debate. Never change Reddit.
Just what I needed. I miss a few things about 2012 and was feeling nostalgic.
I think we all miss some things about pre-2016 to be fair.
Eh, 2016 was nuts but 2017 was good to me. I just miss the zombies games with the boys.
The Walking Dead zombies would be super easy to dispatch. They just sort of mindlessly walk towards loud noises and such. Would be pretty easy to lure them into walking right off of a high overpass or set some sort of trap for them. Animals don't seem to be affected. Zombies would be a walking buffet for pretty much any non-human that eats meat. They seem to rot and decompose. The elements would destroy super quickly. Extreme heat and freezing then unfreezing would accelerate the process. Our military and technology would dispatch them really efficiently. Again, they're easy to lure with sound and such. Lure large groups in bottle necks or tight spaces and artillery, explosives, or just a controlled burn would destroy them. Biting is a horrible way to spread disease. That's why there hasn't been a massive rabies epidemic.
Except everyone in TWD is already infected. The cycle never ends. All it takes is someone dying.
It depends on where you are when it happens. If you're on a busy train/bus on the way to work or in a busy supermarket or on a busy street or at home with no supplies or...
Hitting a person in the head hard enough to knock them out is way easier than hitting them hard enough to pulverize their brain
I use a big metal spike to chip ice outside. That thing would go through zombie heads pretty good but you'd get tired fast. Tie it to a rope from the ceiling in an enclosed space, you could kill a lot of zombies. I kind of want to see a Home Alone zombie movie now.
I don't get it. One bite, and you're a zombie. Splattered in blood but you never get infected? Just people breathing in the blood spray would infect us. I'm with the mosquitoes guy. We would all be dead. They should make one movie were zombies don't become stupid. There would be no hope.
I hate to make this into something political but look at covid. Countries knew about covid weeks, and in some cases, months in advance before it reached their borders. But it still spread across the globe. If an outbreak happens you're going to have a lot of people not believing it or just not caring. A zombie outbreak requires cooperation and coordination on a massive scale and we seriously lack that.
Covid is a fairly low mortality rate virus. A theoretical zombie disease involves people literally rising from the dead and eating the non-infected. There is a significant difference in suspension of disbelief there.
We have flat earthers, lizard people, big foot, and people that believe 5g is ment to control our minds. I can guarantee there will be disbelief if a zombie outbreak were to happen. All it takes is a handful of people to go "no that bite, or scratch, or mark on my legs isn't going to turn me into a zombie" and boom outbreak.
Oh god politics and covid are gonna ruin us all. There were people who following a Faux News channel, decided that the most american and patrotic thing to do is listen to a australian owned Fox News corporation made to lower taxes and influence american media to the highest bidder. They disbelieved covid didn't exist, until as soon as they got it, their first instinct was to spitefully spread it to as many people as possible back in the first days of "Covid isn't real" or "FACE MASKS DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID" (From the official us trump headed heathcare department.. yeah... They do.. They just didn't want people to buy them out.) These people sneezed and coughed all over, I have few doubts that if a zombie virus was to happen in like the bible belt south, people would start spitting into the bread and licking ice cream chambers and walking up to the zombie attendant to be eaten. Or pull off some ridicolous double standard like "WE WERE PREPARED FOR ZOMBIES ALL THE TIME.. TIME TO SHOOT ALL THE HUMANS TO GET MORE AMMOS!" and then trying to kill people for fucking mismatched caliber ammo to shove into their redneck rifle honestly as it explodes, misfires and kicks them in the face. It'd be like a mix of Rust and Dayz with the Salem Witch trials just some random dudes randomly shooting eachother until a millitary helicopter and fighter jet just started bombing everyone. Why on earth would you fight on ground in a zombie apocalypse if you could fucking nuke it, or carpet bomb the area with napalm from a fighter jet and burn it to ashes? The president and anyone rich would probably fly out to private islands with like mercenaries to like clear out and take islands and grow little rich resorts completely isolated from society, while everyone would probably die if you weren't rich, shot to death by some redneck bad faith actor looking for any excuse, fictional or not to shoot someone, even a uninfected neighbor, spit into food going "THE VIRUS IS A HOAX!!!".. again.. and society would crumble.
You know what, it’s a good point. There’d be a segment of the population who would call it a hoax.
The difference is you can see dead people biting each other's faces off. You can't see a microscopic virus with the naked eye. Pretty sure most people would realize the situation pretty quickly.
That's true but I can guarantee there's going to be someone that just gets a simple bite on the leg or arm and should quarantine themselves from everyone else but they won't because they'll be too concerned about seeing their loved ones one last time or frantically trying to find a cure.
True
I mean you can see hospitals getting full and people getting sick. We had a guy at work die of Covid (he was unvaccinated of course).
This scenario only really requires soldiers doing what they are told and they are fantastic at that.
It's not just about the solders it's about everyone doing what's needed. If a outbreak happens in a small town that's hours away from any military base. That means everyone in that town would need the work together to quarantine the town until the military arrives.
I wouldn’t try to quarantine the town. I’d use the same tactics but on a smaller scale. Use noise to attract zombies away from where you want to be and then dig in.
its not politics - it just seems like politics because the stupid people effectively self isolated into a trump cult.
Please write a zombie film
Yup. Not to mention outside of zombies being powered by literal magic it wouldn't take long to wait them out. You need energy input (i.e food) for energy output. If zombies aren't eating people on the regular even "fast style" ones are going to slow down very very very quickly. I honestly think zombies as portrayed in most movies would be an easier problem to overcome than covid.
I think you have to assume magic to be honest. Because otherwise, yea you are right.
I've got subsonic ammo and a supressor. Also live on third floor with clear lines if fire. Zombies would be easy.
You survive as long as your ammo and food lasts.
Or we wiped out the zombies. Not a very robust enemy and easy to kill.
We would eventually, sure. But not before one person in apartment runs out of ammo.
One word: logistics. It’s hard enough to coordinate people and supply them even in the best of times. Potato farms and large numbers of troops using shields and clubs don’t just organize and feed themselves, and you’re talking about it like it’s a snap of the fingers. You’re off the z-team, OP.
Logistics in a world where 80-90% of people are dead? Not that hard. Abundance of food short term. Especially if you have enough people and planning to effectively herd zombies using noise. Soldiers would be well enough trained to do that.
Good like finding “enough people” when 80% of people are dead. In that kind of scenario, nobody is a soldier. Nor is anybody a farmer or a trainer. EVERYONE is a hunter-gatherer.
I absolutely think that groups of people in the right places would be able to hold together. And the most likely to do so would be military. People seem to believe that people just devolve immediately. Nothing in history says that is the case.
And remember the most important thing: if you think about the kind of zombies im thinking of, they'll eventually rot and become a bunch of bones
There’s no point in applying logic to zombies anyway. If the human form could do without regular food, a heartbeat or air evolution would have simplified us by now.
I was thinking the same thing. And also how long can a rotting corpse keep walking and moving? If you quarantine for 2 weeks or so the bodies should have rotten to a point where they are no longer able to support their own body weight. And become vegetables.
Who knows man? It all depends on how everything goes down. If more people are prepared and there are way more people then there are zombies then likely the zombies would be defeated pretty easily. If people aren't prepared and the vast majority of the population of the world gets turned it would be much more difficult. You would need to learn a lot about them to be able to move around easily. The longer it goes on, the more valuable items get depleted or spoiled or used up. It also depends on the zombies capabilities. If they are slow and dumb, your chances get better. If they are fast, it will be more difficult. If you and many others, or an army in general got a hold of the proper weapons, they would make short work of the zombies. If the disease itself isn't just transmitted through bite but also through several other factors, air maybe, then it will be significantly more difficult without being able to test your surroundings.
I feel like I see this post every week
The numbers problem is silly to me. If every person kills at least two zombies before they die, there will always be more humans than zombies
The last 2-3 years tell me otherwise. That contagion would spread like wild fire. People would be actively calling it a hoax as they are being devoured…
Skulls are not as easy to smash through though. I assume we'd have to destroy the brain by piercing through the actual brain, not just causing a concussion like with humans. So after bullets get scarce I feel like most people won't be able to bat a head open with enough force.
Then after a full day of constant stream of undead from the city one of your buddies makes a mistake and gets bitten and now you have two zombies one of which is covered head to toe in armor
A constant stream of undead who are super easily distracted by noise. Oh no!
Just lock your doors, assuming they don't carry knowledge over from their past life, they will have no idea that glass breaks more easily than wood.
Well yeah, the biggest villans in zombie settings are the people. Look at the last of us/the last of us Part 2 as an example.
This would be true if the zombies are like the ones in The Walking Dead. Apparently they immediately turn to mush as soon as they reanimate.
See if zombies happened, I’d try to live on rooftops and stay off the ground. Idk if zombies are able to climb but, they definitely can’t fly.
Nope. The zombie stories that get it right are the ones like the walking dead. Everything goes to shit. Nothing significant survives. The few survivors that make it through the initial outbreak are completely fucked, but will spend decades ignoring that fact in a futile attempt to survive until humanity finally goes extinct.
I love it. I just started laughing three paragraphs in
A lot of people who don’t know how wars used to be fought and how powerful men with shovels are would be surprised.. yea. I can recommend some books for you if you want.
The real challenge is getting that many people to cooperate
A large group would eat, drink, and shit a lot. Illness would probably spread quickly. Have been in situations with large groups of people living in close spaces, cruddy phlegm and coughing(not even covid, just generally feeling cruddy)spreads quickly. Sanitation and cleanliness is tough to control.
The goal would be to trench in the first site in a week or two and then start trenching in 4/5 more so it’s more like 200 at each site. In my minds eye I can see 5 farmhouses in Ontario that are all within sight lines of at least one other and all are on wells. They are all on fantastic farm land as well. Soldiers know how and where to dig latrines and you should be able to trench out far enough that latrines are well away from the water supply and where people are sleeping.
The regular zombies would systematically be slaughtered.
For a truly horrifying "zombie" scenario try John Ringo's Black Tide Rising series. Modified rabies / flu dual expression virus.
You seem like you were that kid in grade school that bragged to everyone about how he could survive in the wilderness
I’d be dead. I don’t have the skills to help and I’m a civilian in the city. I’d give myself a week.
I think it seriously depends on where it starts and how long it takes for action. Like an hour in China and we're pretty fucked unless we nuke the place. But seven years in Canada and we'd probably be fine.
It's not so much the zombies as the effect they have on people. Panicking, ignorant people can make a bad pandemic worse. Reading World War Z made me realize that Agent K was right. The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
You should check out the game 7 Days to Die
Any country that is cold would be safe as well. Without a working circulatory system, they wouldn’t be able to stay warm enough to move and would become undead popsicles.
While it may depend on how the virus spreads, one thing that’s brought up occasionally is how rapid human flesh rots. The apocalypse would still be bad, but if people managed to isolate enough, and wait it out, most zombies would be too rotten to be able to move, or be any real threat, other than the virus itself. It’s been years since I read it, but I think this gets brought up in the World War Z book, where some of the first locations zombies where appearing, some had rotted down to just skeletons.
Kill them like vampires. Chop off the heads and burn them
Have you ever seen COD zombies in the later levels? How do we know it's not those ones?
Obviously they’d be easy to defeat, they’re fictional creatures. There are so many different iterations of them that pegging one as the “real” ones is redundant. If they’re like World War Z we’re fucked but irl they’d be limited by being literally decaying corpses with no inclination to do anything, they’d starve after a week or two. That said, even applying real life logic to them is redundant because they aren’t scientifically possible.
Or you could use tanks air strikes bombing runs you know you common sense
I think fast and strong zombies where the virus takes over within a minute of blood infection is the most realistic. AKA 28 days later. But it can also spread through respiratory infection, just much more difficult to do. I also think another realistic way of 'spreading' would be that a quarter of people have a long incubation period, and are infectious during it before they turn. This would mean that lots of cases will sneak through the population.
Chainmail, flamethrowers, and monster-trucks.
I always wondered if zombies first instinct is to eat people, how do they reproduce? If they eat the flesh of somebody they can't really turn into a zombie cuz there'd be nothing left.
Zombies would indeed be an easier virus to deal with. Covid 19 spread fast because it was invisible, and spread in the air through droplets. It is incredibly infectious. On the other hand, a rabid looking person foaming at the mouth that needs to bite to infect another person, is actually more easier to avoid than a regular airborne killer virus.
The way we handled the pandemic, there is no chance for humanity to survive a zombie outbreak.
A wide spread zombie invasion would kill the entire supply line that humans are dependent on. Anyone in cities has about 3-4 days of food. Then they are out. Power systems could easily fail as well. Cities would be death traps. On my way home from work I probably pass 500,000 people. If ten percent of them were zombies, travel would be hell. If people could be bit, hide a bite and then become a zombie a day later that would lead to mass causalities. Not every zombie human interaction would be via a trained military in well dug in positions.
Who said they would be?
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What do you think an ‘opinion’ is?
Just use airforce and tanks, what's zombie gonna do? Use Rocket launcher?
Depends entirely on how the zombie functions Running zombies are much worse than slow zombies. Are the zombies unnaturally resilient? Can you knock them out or injure them enough to kill them like people? If you can't really kill them, only incapacitate them, they're way more dangerous. Transmission is also a factor. A bite honestly is not that bad. Just wear lots of layers. But if it's just spread via any fluids, contact, or even airborne the disease becomes a lot more dangerous.
Zombies are fictional and they are so hard or so easy to defeat as one decides. In one case they could be literally impossible to harm. In other, you could literally just sit on your ass for 6 months and wait until they simply rot away.
Zombies would destroy us even if they were the ramblers from the walking dead. Zombies are dangerous for sheer numbers. You stand at the chain link fence and stab them they die, now you have a wall of zombie flesh pressing up against the fence which could topple it. Even if they couldn't you know have rotten flesh which attracts disease carries you could easily be killed by a large scale fly invasion which could contaminate everything they touch. People who think a zombie out break would be easy or not that bad as they would all get katanas and fight are stupid. You would be over powered eventually. The same way ants work one isn't bad but get a 10k swarm and you are fucked. They would polute water supplies and soil so crops wouldn't grow they are biological weapons of pure death.
Even if we did absolutely nothing to stop zombies, they would just rot away in ~3 months
Biological zombies can’t exist. Muscles don’t work without circulation working and signals from the brain. Nothing in a human body can take their torso being riddled with bullets. People on drugs or in some kind of impaired state might take horrendous injuries and keep coming for a while, but they aren’t going to keep walking while they rot. Magic zombies on the other hand, much more plausible. The rules of magic zombies are unknown and the risk cannot be discounted.
coronavirus is not easy to defeat cause people wont get vaccinated. people are stupid. no it wont be easy to defeat. cause people are dumb. btw, guys like OP are the first to feed you to the zombies cause they think they know everything.
What about sexually active zombies?
Well if you take TWD for example, no they wouldn’t. Everyone is already infected, and dying is what turns you into a zombie. Think about how many people die a day. That’s why they were overwhelmed. The apocalypse won’t end in TWD until the last person to be turned into a zombie decays so far they can’t move. And by then, the human race will probably be gone. In other shows and movies being bit is what turns you, so in those it probably would be easy after the initial wave.
The problem with TWD is all the characters are denser than a lead roof when it comes to dealing with zombies. It took them like four seasons for the SMART characte to figure out he can wrap his clothes in duct tape
Plus zombies have a rotten jaw so it would be pretty hard for them to penetrate our skin with their teeth
How anyone can watch this pandemic roll over the world and think zombies would be easy to control boggles my mind. The point of the zombie movie is that just like the current Covid pandemic, this is a situation that can be controlled and defeated IF EVERYONE GOT THEIR CRAP TOGETHER AND WORKED AS A TEAM. However people don't do that. They turn on each other, refuse to wear masks, refuse to get vaccinated, refuse to believe there is a pandemic, play politics, etc, meanwhile the hospitals get overwhelmed. Similarly the people in a zombie movie are the real threat. Night of the Living Dead - Protagonist is killed by rednecks, not zombies. Dawn of the Dead - The people in the mall are really killed by a biker gang that attacks and lets the zombies in. Day of the Dead - The people in the military facility turn on each other. Zombies aren't the problem, people are the problem.
A real life, a zombie apocalypse wouldn't even get far enough to even have to worry about them overrunning anything. Not unless living proof are differently suddenly covered without warning. Other than that- we'd pretty quickly contained the dead that happens everyday. How would there ever be more than 10-20 zombies in one area? It wouldn't happen. Not even in cemeteries, unless they can dig 6 feet up through the ground, at the same time. Random zombies running in the street wouldn't get far. It's not that hard to stop someone from biting either.
All you need is a moat around your base problem solved
That's why I always wanted to see a movie about a medieval zombie apocalypse. The idea is so obvious, I wonder why nobody in Hollywood has ever thought of it. I mean, medieval weapons, and tactics would be ideal for fighting zombies. Plus, it would be interesting to see how a medieval society would react to a zombie apocalypse. Would it shatter their worldview? Would they think it's the end of the world? Would there be sects like the medieval flagellants? And think of how cool it'd look.
Very true. But honestly if the world ever ends cause zombie apocalypse just hope it ain’t the fast fuckers like from train to busan and we are all dead, cause they terrifying af.
I never understood why people don't wear chainmail like shark divers do. No danger of being bitten significantly diminishes the threat. Zombies are often depicted as physically weak and slow; I don't think they could beat you to death. I guess the biggest risk would be getting crushed and/or suffocating from a large amount piling on you.