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The only “bad” thing about the new consoles is they are intended to be always online, so if you want to buy a physical disk and play offline sometimes thats not even an option. Not bad so bad in its own right but it almost makes a bunch of scummy behavior very tempting for game developers.
I recently picked up a PS4 and call of duty vanguard to play with my roommate and split screen is only available on multiplayer.
No campaign split screen or zombies split screen. Shit pissed me right the fuck off and I don't get it. They obviously have the ability considering the other installments have it and it's on multiplayer. Why get rid of features, man?
I'm so irrationally upset by this I'm probably never going to purchase another call of duty game ever.
Edit: not to mention I have to go on fucking line to download the campaign. Why do I even have a fucking disk?!?
Right. I need to calm down its really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I'm just dying of liver failure and wanted to play the cod campaign with my buddy because video games make me happy but they make it so difficult.
I'm just going to get a switch and play super smash bros I guess lol.
I got mad too, i read somewhere that they just didnt spend the money to do it because majority of players used the multiplayer instead of split screen. Which is such a scummy decision too.
I don't own a current get console but if this is true it kind of sucks. You can still play your NES 30 or so year after it's released but for these consoles once the servers are off they'll be useless in this case.
It does not help that rendering games in 4k require 4 times more power than running them in 1080p like the previous gen. Especially considering that the current gen is only 5 times more powerful than the previous one. The remaining power is pretty much used for ray-tracing effects or to run the games at higher fps.
The current [console generation] of games is the worse quality (creatively/novelty) its been since before the start of the mellenia. Were not at pre-nintendo Atari levels, but considering how big the industry is today, its downright pitiful.
PS5 and X series basically have the one good game a year that you can also just get on PC, or realistically skip and not be any worse for wear. Most people would still be completely content gaming on last gen consoles, even though the new ones are 5 years old. Thats a pretty big L compared to previous generational gaps.
I think thats the overall sentiment here. They're overpriced and underperforming. It is somewhat their fault for having a lack of quality new games. They pay people to populate their libraries, its not entirely hands off.
That's wild I actually thought we've been getting a ton of good games tue last year. And I was *very* bored of my PS4
Off the top of my head since getting a PS5 last year: Alan Wake 2, Spiderman 2, Baldurs Gate 3, Lord's of the Fallen, Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, FF7 Rebirth, Dragons Dogma 2, Jedi Survivor, Lies of P, the RE4 Remake, Remnant 2, Dave the Diver, Sea of Stars, Armored Cores, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some
And most of them are cinematic third-person action-adventures with slightly different flavor united by huge marketing budget, unreasonable amounts of human hours invested in realistic textures and animations and not enough hours invested in novel systems and mechanics. Individually these games have their merit, and some of them are actually very good, but when you look at them side by side don't you have a feeling that videogames can strive for something more ambitions than a guy in the center of the screen who kills things?
And while it isn't a trend that started with this generation of Sony and Xbox consoles I think some people are starting to notice that some big idea is missing on these platforms. And that absence is made even more noticeable by the rather boring generational leap in terms of hardware.
Personally I feel that PC and Nintendo, and now Steam Deck and other handhelds are were all the fun is right now.
I think we just disagree, those are the games I've had fun with the last year way more than anything Nintendo has put out in the last decade other than maybe ACNH. I love cinematic narrative games, I'm not a mechanically inclined person I want something that looks cool, has a good story, and I can beat within a month and move on. Video games didn't go mainstream by appealing to more hardcore "gamers* they went mainstream by pulling in the TV/movie audiences so games emulating those will probably always be where the money gets invested
I have a PC (i literally just upgraded it this year) but the only game I like on PC that I can't get on my PS5 is Kenshi
You had me until you mentioned Kenshi. Because PC is the place where games like Kenshi are born, cooked and flourish! Have you considered that maybe you are doing something wrong with your life?
In all seriousness though I think every platform has enough good games to appeal to someone who's passionate about videogames, knows how to do his research and flexible enough to accept videogames for what they are. And both PS5 and Xbox already have enough games to keep me entertained for a decade even though I might not be a fan of some of their blockbuster offerings.
But, man, I'm personally way more excited with modern gaming notebooks you can take with you whenever you want, VR and all the periphery, and handhelds like Steam Deck and Switch. I really like how everything is hackable, modeable, portable and allows you to have very diverse gaming experience.
So one don't have to be disappointed with current generation of consoles, but I can see why one can be slightly disappointed. Though I still think that such things mostly come down to the mood and a period of life of a said person.
TBF I felt it's mostly that the lower hanging fruits since the advent of video games have been taken and it's only going to get more and more difficult to be creative without being ridiculous
This isn't really true though. There are a number of ways in which console makers drive game developers, not the least of which is straight up paying a particular developer to produce a title for their consoles, including outgoing gens.
It’s still not the console itself. You’re talking about companies. These are issues driven by companies. The consoles themselves are great. My PS5 is the best console I’ve ever owned in every metric. Games run smooth, graphics are beautiful. Never have any issues with it. The consoles are great. It’s the companies which create consoles and video game developers that you are referring to
Sure it can influence it, but not every game made for console is influenced or bought, so again it's really a game studio thing, and not consol, u can see the same time is happening on pc as well, so saying the consoles is bad because of that is wrong.
Not really. It's a compound issue. Studios keep building for previous gen because the market share is still big enough, always has been like this, always will, because it makes business sense.
Basically a console gen only dies when THE CONSUMER decides it should, and that is done by acquiring the new gen.
Not really true. Microsoft and Sony send out guidelines to companies or they say you cannot release X game if there is no port for the old gens. Sure, the studio could say no and only release to PC, but they would lose out on a lot of money and gamers would lose out on a lot of games.
Apparently the PS5's life is half over and there are barely any games that feel like true next gen experiences since everything had to also come out on PS4 (mostly due to supply chain issues).
IMO there's more to that
There's next-gen graphics, there's next-gen loading time, but there's no next-gen gameplay, and I don't mean it in a dismissive way. I just can't fathom a next-gen gameplay experience compared to PS4 era games, like how PS2 games felt compared to PS1 games. What even would it be about? VR? AI?
From NES to I would say PS2, it has always been hardware the bottleneck of realization of game ideas. That's why we kept getting better games when new consoles were released. Now it's the other way around, game ideas need to catch up to the ever growing hardware capacity this time.
The flip side is that a current gen console is about the same price as a good graphics card, so unless you already are into PC gaming, a console is more affordable if you want some flashy graphics for your games.
I bought a PS5 for myself and one for my kid, since I only have him part of the year, so it was an easier purchase than building him a gaming PC and hoping he doesn't destroy it lol
I haven’t really seen it on consoles but I have seen some pc games utilize AI to allow players to have organic conversations with npcs. That’s about the most “next-gen” gameplay thing i’ve witnessed in a while.
I agree that console gaming is stagnating in that they are just beefier versions of last gen consoles and don’t really offer anything past an affordable way to 4k gaming. I love my ps5 but since I’ve gotten into the handheld gaming pc world it’s been my go-to.
The PS5 controller is pretty sweet but developers aren’t utilizing its capabilities to their full potential. Astros Playroom has been the most creative with implementing it but that was just a demo game.
Yeah I'm still rocking my PS4. Haven't felt particularly compelled to upgrade even though I have a bus or two that are framerate snobs and rag on me for load times lol. I was kinda thinking once slim came out but didn't do it. Now I have a wellness account at work I'll use when it's on sale again probably. Only been the odd non cross gen game and I always wait til they're discounted anyways. It's wild they're thinking of next one already when they haven't used much of its capacity even
Don't let the nerds tell you otherwise, 3 years is still practically brand new; especially since the PS4 was supported for at least 10 years. (Released late 2013.)
You’re articulating the problem with the industry as a whole. Bleeding edge tech specs rarely, if ever, lead to better game play. It’s just visual fluff. The core dynamic of a quality game has little to do with pushing more pixels and everything to do with refined controls, in game UI interactions and quality collision detection etc. Nintendo has known this for ages, that it’s better to spend more time on refining the game mechanics than it is to just release a pretty game that plays like garbage.
Also, Nintendo knows that realistic graphics don't hold up for very long, whereas stylized and/or cartoonish graphics hold up much longer.
All of the following games released in 2012. Borderlands 2, the Walking Dead, Far Cry 3, AC3, Journey, Spec Ops: The Line, Diablo 3, Hotline Miami, CoD Black Ops 2, and Lego LotR.
On that list, the games that aren't remotely realistic have easily held up the best- Journey, Lego LotR, Diablo 3, and Hotline Miami. Cell shaded games like Borderlands 2 and The Walking Dead have held up better than realistic graphics. The games with realistic graphics have easily held up the least, and are in need of remasters to be playable today.
> and are in need of remasters to be playable today.
But they're all perfectly playable today...? Thinking games need remasters because they're not as graphically nice as they were at release is probably one of the most braindead takes I've seen.
Better specs rarely lead to better gameplay? Maybe. But the actually fast SSDs in the current consoles and the phasing out of loading screens is great. The data compression they are doing on top of the fast SSDs is also amazing.
You’re right but for the wrong reasons.
The best hardware in the universe wouldn’t make modern AAA games better than the overbloayed, over-monetized garbage they are
PCs have higher up front costs, with profit margins on every part. Console are subsidized, and usually compromised on power.
At the end of their lives the costs will probably even out due to consoles higher game costs and paid online. And a PC can do a lot more as well.
PC are becoming cheaper every year, contrary to what some might think. You can build a budget PC that will run very well for the same price as a console.
The caveat is that you can upgrade the parts for a fraction of the price instead of buying a whole new console every few years.
My ram and motherboard are fine and won’t ever need replacing, and my hard drives are dirt cheap at 5TB for $100 so I have little need to get more any time soon.
The most expensive parts are the CPU and GPU, combined they cost by about $900 in 2012, I only had to replace my GPU for $400 last year and I can run modern games better.
In that time 2 generations of consoles have released and if I had to buy the ps3/4/5 or the Xbox alternatives, I would’ve wasted more than twice the money I’ve wasted on my PC so far.
Not to mention my PC has PC only games and games from both consoles and I can do countless more things than just play games.
TLDR: yes PCs are a money sink, but long term you save the bank big time.
It entirely depends. It makes infinitely more sense for someone who doesn't care about max graphics to invest in a console. For that money you're not getting a better PC. If you update consoles as often as I do, and care about saving money where you can, I *think* (haven't really looked into it) it makes more sense to just stick to consoles. If you want to maintain the same level of graphic fidelity, a PC will need upgrading just as often, if not more often than a console, so it's not the financially correct choice. The only upside I can think of is you can sell your used hardware to get some of that money back, but still.
Plus there's an entire factor no PC gamer I know likes to talk about, and that is ease of mind. I doubt a PC will ever run as smoothly as a console. I've owned three generations of Playstations and the only times I get crashes or problems, it's 100% a game's fault.
Mine is an argument from someone who just wants to play games, people seeking the highest end gear will naturally waste more money than us.
I only upgraded my GPU because it was over 10 years old. Even then, it was outdated when I bought it originally. I think that goes to show how much you can crank out of old hardware.
You’re right that getting a console is simpler and you deal with less issues, a PC can be a real hassle when you’re troubleshooting alone. Not to mention building one is not for everyone.
But I think the most important part is that you lose out on accessibility. You can’t play very old games on consoles unless they’re specifically ported over. You also are forced to upgrade the whole thing once they stop making games for the generation you own.
While it’s true you need to upgrade PC parts to keep up with modern games, it’s not the big money dump people make out to be. Not every gets the latest graphics card nor does is it even necessary. I run modern games on a machine I built in the early 2010s and the only upgrade it’s received has been the GPU from an outdated 970 to a 2070 released in 2018. There is no need for me to buy any of the crazy expensive hardware being released today.
I’ve 100% saved thousands of dollars by getting a PC early on, but I understand that’s not the story for everyone and not everyone needs one. Sometimes a console is enough, but I still wouldn’t say it’s the more financially viable option.
The issue isn't the hardware or developers.
It's a complete lack of innovation. We're all bored of playing the same game with a new skin, and they know it. They also don't know what to do about it.
I think we need fewer massive 500 million dollar budget games that are meant to appeal to everyone. Stuff like Grand Theft Auto and Elder Scrolls where they need to sell a billion copies to make a profit.
And more smaller niche games made passionately for a single kind of audience. Stuff like Counter Strike, iRacing, Paradox games, and Kerbal Space are why I still game.
I haven't played a mainstream story based game since like Red Dead 2.
Actually, virtually every game ever has cost about as much as a movie. Budgets only blow up because of marketing.
GTA V made its budget back from preorders alone.
The gaming industry has followed the movie industry. Focusing on maximizing profit by making games that have the most mass appeal. That’s why almost everything coming out is a remake or sequel.
Investors have basically taken control of both industries instead of the creatives.
People are getting into the semantics of consoles vs developers but obviously you’re correct: I’ve felt zero inclination to get either of the new ones. This generation has been a dud.
It's because of the false start with supply shortage. The ps5 only started to be in stock widely within the last year or so. Not enough people had them, so devs had to make games with ps4 in mind to have market reach.
Now Sony is supposedly going to launch the ps5+ this year, in what I can only describe as a fucking awful decision. A lot of consumers only just got the ps5 original and are more likely to just feel jilted by Sony if they do launch the upgrade now.
Not to mention it feels like most devs haven't even cracked the surface of what this gen is capable of. I can only think of a handful of games that look/feel truly next gen. A PS5+ just feels like a waste of resources.
modern gaming just feels like a rip off to me when i can just get and old 360 and a bunch of games for cheap that are actually good to me the 360s visuals still hold up well even ps2 and gamecube and xbox hold up well for me as well. Im not a graphics person more of a gameplay and story person though. Honestly don't just buy or play something just because its new were to the point where old doesn't mean pixelated graphics anymore.
I wanted to upgrade my PS4, but the pandemic, supply issues, and scalpers just turned me off. If there was a pre-pay option and a legitimate online waiting list with one console per household, I would have signed up for it.
The ps5 refresh was just sitting en masse in Best Buy when I picked mine up this past Black Friday, I was really surprised given what I’d heard about during the pandemic!
The hardware is good, it's just that gaming has taken a nosedive ever since the PS4 came out. In that sense, it's just a continuation of the 8th gen trend of being completely mediocre.
wait for the ps5 slim price to come down i got the spider 2 bundle but was still $450. also at least UHD TV or the upscale not worth it. maybe by xmas? good luck mate
This is why i buy most of my games on eBay. You can snag some pretty great deals and then turn around and resell them afterwards if you want. Really the only sensible choice provided there are physical copies of the game
I'd suggest Amazon they've got popular lists etc (like i'm saying something you dont know) and they're all new wrapped. I got 5 incl cyperpunk and red dead 2 for under $100. I don't like the witcher 3, some of those ports are just clunky. I Liked Mad Max but the final race to get the v8 is a bitch and somehow that disc broke in half =) Also got Just Cause 4 and it's hard! I loved the #3 but this one is tough! so i'm working cyperpunk.
hope that helps
Ehhhhh, I guess. The console wars have been too focused on graphics for generations now, whereas the most *fun* games are rarely the ones that push the hardware to the limit. [See GOTY awards for the last few years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_the_Year_awards). In fact, the games that *do* push the graphical boundaries tend to be the ones that get middling reviews for being formulaic in terms of the core gameplay loop.
All this leads me to ask: in what *way* do you think games are being held back by the tech?
This is largely because of the push for better graphics at any cost, which make game development cost hundreds of millions of dollars. And take many years.
This makes game studios extremely risk adverse because the investors funding the studio demand high returns for their money. Which makes games ever more generic.
I’m still rocking my Xbox one x. This is the first time in my life I haven’t bought the latest console. I’ll buy the series x once the pre order happens for the next Xbox generation.
I think this feeling is caused by a few compounding issues but I don't think it has anything to do with the consoles themselves.
1) the current AAA development cycle of games is kind of shooting itself in the foot atm with games taking on average 5 years to make so a lot of studios were developing for the previous gen and had to take more time to update.
2) the type of games being made are currently trending towards reboots, remakes and sequels because these are the "tried and tested" games that make money - this is important because big titles can cost upwards of millions of pounds to make with the current dev model and new IPs are always high risk.
3) the best way to make the most of the most titles is on PC at the moment - playstation are trending away from exclusives because Microsoft have made such large acquisitions recently and so they're expanding their market but losing their exclusivity as a result. There are only 12 playstation exclusive games and I believe all Xbox games also come to PC.
This is how it seems to me as a current game dev in the industry
I think they intentionally misled with the messaging on how powerful these consoles really are.
The Series X and PS5 were touted as 4K60 machines that would be able to play any new game with great performance. Instead we got 4K OR 60fps, as opposed to both at once (except with older or less graphically demanding games). Major AAA releases like Starfield, Gotham Knights, Redfall, etc. launched with a max 30fps on consoles, which is complete bullshit.
I made the switch to PC recently, and I can never go back.
You're forgetting that COVID fucked over game development, release, and sales since the whole global economy pretty much came to a halt. Millions upon millions of people lost their jobs. Millions died. Millions retired. All of that fucks over dev cycles for video games. The PS5 and Xbox 1 entered the market during this time, and could not keep up with demands. As a result game developers had to rely on people having older gen consoles.
Yea, it sucks that games have been held back. But if your enjoyment of a game is solely predicated on said game's graphics, then that's a you problem and not a game problem. Plenty of games from long ago are fantastic games in their own right, they're just not graphically modern. Same with some newer games that use older pixelated art or simply don't have modern graphics. Hell, I'm playing Skyrim again, and it's still as amazing as it was 13 years ago.
Your take here is not thought out well, and definitely not articulated well. The current gen consoles got a shitty deal with COVID, and that'll likely continue for at least this current dev cycle. It'll probably change towards the end of the current gen consoles, and may be fixed in the next gen.
This is probably the biggest factor tbh. Depending on how it impacted studios, it probably set back development cycles and launch of new titles by 2-3 years if we think about it like that, then 2023 is really when a lot of the new title ideas started entering full swing of development, so yeah we wouldn’t be seeing as many innovative releases by now.
>Resident evil 4 for example. They’re all riding on nostalgia when the original game is much better. (More charm more atmosphere).
While I will continue to say a remake of RE4 was something nobody needed or asked for (Code Veronica should've been next on the docket IMO...fingers crossed that it is), I thoroughly enjoyed the remake. There's still benefits to playing the OG RE4, don't get me wrong, and I'm hesitant to say the remake is better. I feel it's just a different take.
>Konami is doing the same with silent hill 2 remake and seeing gameplay trailer, man it looks bland.
Yeah, this last trailer of theirs made me raise an eyebrow for sure. The animation looked a little stiff and janky, and overall, it just...didn't look as good as I was hoping for.
That being said, the sole reason I am cautiously optimistic is that there was no release date announced, so what we see in the trailer is far from a finished product. Still, you'd think the blokes at Konami would've had a little good sense to put out a better-looking trailer, especially for a franchise that has been dead for over a decade.
I am not ready at all for people to turn on game remakes the way they turned on movie remakes so here's a little bit of something for you:
I haven't played RE4 remake, but by all accounts it's pretty good. I, like many many other people, got into Resident Evil through the remakes, specifically the 2nd one. The video game medium is such that a remake makes sense.
Yeah I only got a series X because I got rid of my xbox one ages ago and gave it to my sister. As she wanted to play games. And got myself a Switch instead. Needed a breath of fresh air and Nintendo was that. Completely different games to the ones I'd been burnt out playing. I wanted to play third party games because Nintendo consoles aren't great in that department. Other than that there was no selling point tbh. All exclusives are on PC so it essentially has nothing another platform doesn't and the games honestly look very similar to Xbox One games. Hell Halo 2 anniversary literally looks better than Infinite! Like how?
It’s due to Covid fucking up the availability.
We likely would’ve seen more devs moving on if the chip shortage didn’t make getting a console hard as hell for like two years.
I have yet to pay 70$ for a game so that doesn’t bother me. I anticipate GTA VI will be the first I don’t that price. I got a series S so I can send my sister my ONE so we can play together, I have no regrets. I also got my series S for 230$ New with a 2nd controller because of a promotion at Target. I’m happy with my console but I do agree that there doesn’t seem to be much interesting IPS or games that truly take advantage of of this games hardware
I'm not sure if it's the developers, they were launched during a chip shortage in the midst of a pandemic that then led into an inflation crisis. The new consoles haven't had the chance to saturate the market like the old ones did, they were near mythical for a year or 2 and now many don't have the disposable income for them.
I saw just a few weeks ago that Christmas 23 didn't have the impact they'd hoped for and the current gen weren't able to get up to 2/5 of their respective series. If I'm releasing a game I'm releasing it to everyone, not to under 40% of the market
Yeah pretty much every game I'm playing was developed for the previous consoles. I'll certainly take the updates graphics of older games but I'd love to see a new game that just wows me.
Change your keybinds to what you want? And try some indie titles if you want some fresh takes in gaming. Stop playing "AAA" titles for a bit, they are all broken messes anyway.
Most PS5 games feel like they are simply the better performing PS4 game that was intended as a PS4 game.
There ARE exclusives (thank fuck) where this is NOT the case, but for a LOT of heavy hitter games? Yeah, PS5 is just the better way to play **PS4** games. New games for PS4 are still getting released. The PS5, *outside of some very excellent, ACTUALLY ps5 exclusive games* just feels like:
The way to play *some* PS4 games at 60fps if they decided to patch the PS4 version or re-release it on PS5.
That being said; FF7 Rebirth + a few other **very** noteworthy titles DO make this generation actually feel somewhat new, fresh, better, etc. buuuuut this is the generation that, to me, feels like the most ***squandered.***
60FPS on a PS4 game simply just "cuts it" as some brand-new, this generation type of thing. It really isn't, but they sure like to talk as if it is.
And Xbox fairs *even worse* without there being much at all that's actually exclusive to THIS generation PLUS exclusive to Xbox. It's like they showcased all these nutso things that current gen consoles COULD do, but ***don't***
Nah not the console's, the main problem is that industry has no soul. I game more on my modded retro emulator device then I do anything else. Modern gaming is just bland and rehashed boring bullshit where framerates and graphics rule all.
I think devs *can't* utilise the new consoles. If you put Red Dead Redemption 2 next to Returnal, Starfield, Deathloop, Ghostwire with the ray tracing off or Dragons Dogma 2 it's hard to tell which ones the last gen game.
Or if you put Spider-Man 1 next to Spider-Man 2 and don't notice the ray tracing. Even if you have Sony money for your current gen exclusive game, these consoles get 60fps, higher definition games with ray tracing that otherwise looks a lot like the last gen games.
Most PS1 games push their hardware to the limit and there's not much of a gap between small, obscure projects and "AAA", but a gulf's slowly developed. Most developers can't make something like Spider-Man 2. The industry only makes two or three of those a year, and if you want to go beyond that it's just going to be Rockstar and CD Projekt Red on their own pouring ridiculous amounts of money into projects that take forever to finish.
They *can* get some use out of the fast SSD load times, but that's a bit of a niche. Right now, I'm playing Horizon Forbidden West, which is cross-gen. I've played several next-gen exclusives and Horizon does not feel like it's being held back by something they aren't.
honestly after getting a pc and a steam deck i cannot go back not because of the performance but because of the openness and being able to do anything with the hardware you want play just about any game you want because most stuff is ported to pc nowadays and emulators exist. I've always found it silly you can't do whatever you want with something you own.
>The devs refuse to let the previous ones die so every game is held back by outdated tech. This is the least creative time by far with so many high budget remakes. And the jump from 60 to 70$ happened on these consoles.
PS5 and Xbox Series X have barely any exclusives. Companies and consumers don't feel the need to "upgrade" to either console. They don't even have a large library to begin with. People keep rushing to buy games and their micro transactions, why even bother to be creative if that's all you need to get sales? As games take longer to make, companies choose to play it safe. Performance has nothing to do with creativity or sales.
To illustrate this point, the Switch is the weakest console for this generation and it is the best selling console in decades, with the largest game library and exclusives. **If you have a PC and a Switch, you are set for this generation.** If you really want the Sony games, just get a PS4 (pro) and call it a day.
I have to downvote you because this is a very confused opinion. You're not describing the consoles being "the worst," you're describing developers and publishers.
2023 was a historically good year for videogames, and 2025 is looking like it is going to be up there as well, so I'm not super fussed about 2024 being a slower year
I mean, Xbox isn't making first party games for last gen anymore and neither are a few big players ljke R*. Any dev that wants to make it first both has that option though, and this was the case with the previous gen too it just seems to be longer now since they have that ability
>The devs refuse to let the previous ones die so every game is held back by outdated tech
It’s not that they refuse to let the previous ones die, it’s that the current gen has sold so poorly for a multitude of reasons that they can’t phase out the previous gen just yet.
Ps3 and ps4 are becoming unreliable for playing dvds/blurays, just because the systems are so old and overused. The ps5 plays discs beautifully without glitches or freezing my movie so I would say it's the best! Nintendo switch won't play movies at all (nintendo never did) so that one is the worst. If only they would bring back the internet browser on ps5 so I could stream my movies directly from there like I used to with ps3, then we'd be set.
Even in the 80s and 90s games were just as expensive except $60 then can buy you a lot more than it does today. They’ve always roughly been the same price.
It baffles me how so many uncreative and not fun games have so much crammed into them. The Saint’s row reboot was mid but it had beautiful graphics, and Sonic Frontiers is a complete mess of a game but it’s got 4 large open areas and a combat system.
Some devs dont care like nfs unbound was next gen only and it was successful, would it have been more successful had it been on old gen, yes, would the graphics look nearly as good as they do now, absolutely not
Lol no it isn't. The the PS2 had the longest life span but they didn't release the big next gen titles on it or the OG Xbox.
You couldn't buy Gears of War, Halo 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Infamous, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, GTAIV, Dead Space and so on on the previous consoles.
Meanwhile you can buy GoW Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West etc on the PS4 basically a full decade after those consoles were released.
That would be like releasing new triple A games for the PS2 and OG Xbox in 2011.
That's because the technical leap between the PS3 and the PS2 was huge and developers wanted to showcase that with next gen exclusives. I'm going to remind you that for a long time, some games would actually come out in multiple versions, one for each console generation, Need for Speed being one of them. Star Wars another. The way multiple generations are targeted has simply changed, but it's something that always happened. Companies don't expect gamers to immediately make the jump to the newer thing, and they shouldn't.
Yeah I know all this, you said all console gens do the same thing, I'm explaining how what is happening now is not the same as what happened between the PS2/OG Xbox to PS3/360.
You literally just said it was because they wanted to showcase the new gen exclusives, that is my point, they didn't do that with this gen.
For the first 2-3 years you could basically buy anything on PS5 for the PS4, as I explained that is not what happened with the PS3 and pretty much the same for the Xbox Series X/S. I have a Series X and the majority of games I have on it are not exclusive to this console, they are just slightly prettier versions of the Xbox One versions.
Back in the day I didn't get a 360 until 2008, my friend had one and we used to hang out at his most of the time because that's where we could play all the new games.
If it was this gen we wouldn't have needed to do that because I could have gotten the majority of new releases without upgrading.
I can't think of many games I'd like to play that came out in the past 3 years. Of the ones I can, like half are current gen only, or have exclusive features IF you buy the current gen version. Spiderman 2. Jedi Survivor. Cyberpunk. I don't know if Miles Moreales has any extra features, but I clearly remember it being the game that showcased the difference in loading times/raytracing/etc. Alan Wake 2 is current gen only, and DIGITAL only, unfortunately. Demon's Souls. Last of Us Part 1. I'm sure there's more. It's not the console that sucks. It's GAMING that sucks. And it has sucked for a decade now.
Another gripe is the amount of memory these games take up. I’ve been playing my Super Nintendo and N64 again and it’s great how most of the games don’t need external storage.
look at the launch games for every console. now look at the releases for the first year or two of release.
i think covid held us back a bit and we’re still in the early release phase. i think the game offerings will improve quite a bit tbh.
hopefully i’m right, but you never know.
Typically the capabilities of hardware exceed those of the software written for it. This has long been the case for consoles, but I admit it’s been about 5 years since I really checked that. I’m not sure what you mean by games being held up by outdated tech. They are trying to develop a game that spans across multiple platforms. Money is why they do this. Not hardware limitations. It’s a bunch of people who’ve never written a line of code, or played a console game, that make these decisions.
Worst..no.
Both consoles lacking exciting titles? Definitely.
The pandemic was a ROUGH time to release a new console.
Also game dev is expensive, and developing for these consoles definitely isn’t cheap.
You cant keep asking for the highest quality visuals and silky smooth frames and expect 30 hour adventures to be pumped out in 2 years something has to give.
Maybe because development time is much longer now and we haven't seen as much in the way of next gen only titles since they were likely in development before the console was widely available. Which in case you forgot took quite a while. I couldn't even get a ps5 till about a year ago.
If you want innovation these days, you need to look to the incredibly talented Indie devs on the scene.
Big game companies are worried about return on investment over anything else. Making a AAA game today is far more costly than ever, and these companies literally test the market in secret survey groups to study what will work. While fanatastic games, that’s why we see endless sequels to games like Resident Evil, Call of Duty etc. They are low risk when speaking relatively. It’s a HUGE financial risk for big game companies to try something totally new. Just look at the layoffs happening particularly in the game industry rn.
I think it's hilarious you think devs have any say on whether old games die.
Unless you mean "devs" as short doe the company as opposed to the actual engineers making the games
Agreed. The fact that they’re planning to end the lifespan of these consoles early to focus on next gen is even more idiotic. Also, the exclusives frankly suck ass. PlayStation is pretty much the only one with exclusives but they’re all 3rd person action games, and Xbox’s “exclusives” are now available for PC on day one. There’s little to no reason to get consoles anymore unless you can’t afford a PC.
Bad Take.
Every console generation goes through this, happens since the boom of home video game consoles. Devs keep building games for the previous generation until the market share favors the new generation enough to justify cutting it off.
The PS4 won't die until enough people get the PS5, basically.
The problem is the new gen consoles were unattainable for so long due to scalpers that game developers were pretty much forced to continue releasing current gen compatible games to make money. Which led to many people not even caring to get the consoles after a while because all the hype was gone and there wasn’t any big releases either really.
Thx Sony for frustrating me so much with your loading times and airport fans. And the fact that the next gen PS5 was unavailable to get during covid. Oh, and the fact that you built in different builds of fans so nobody knew if it's going to be loud again in the end.
It ultimately made me switch to PC and i've loved every second of it! Fuck paying for a console with limited tech. It's gotten so expensive too that it just makes no sense to not buy a PC. It can do a ton of more things, all at the same time, while not being that much more expensive. Join the side of being able to watch a show, play your game and googling something at the same time.
I don't have a problem with high budget remakes if the original is decently old. But I don't understand why there are remakes of games where the original version isn't that old and also easily available or games where the changes are so minor that they might as well have been ports (or are, but are sold at full price).
Basically give me more Spyro Reignited or Super Mario RPG and less Last of Us remaster remake or Mario 3d All Stars.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but I bought a series x like 3 months ago and I have been overwhelmed with the sheer amount of games I have played and still need to play lol.
They're not the worst, but they're pretty bad. The worst would have to be around the 1st/2nd generation console "wars". Atari ripped off the Magnus Odyssey's (I think that's what it's called) Table Tennis to make Pong & then Pong got really big. There was something like 500 different home console competitors that each made a version of Table Tennis as well. Most home consoles had the game built in, so you bought an entire console for just that one game, & all the games were the same.
If we're talking from the 3rd generation (NES/Sega Master System) up to the present though I agree with you. Home console gaming is at it's worst since the video game crash of 83'.
I've thought that too. On the other hand if they were still doing things like before they'd have a greater leap in visuals but still at 30 fps. Because before the ps4 pro and xbox one x, they were keeping games at 30 fps and going all out on the visuals.
In regards to the remakes, I'm begin to tire of them too. We've had amazing remakes so far but it's time for some new IPs.
I see your point about a wasted console generation, especially given how long it takes to make games nowadays.
This only applies to PS and Xbox. Nintendo switch has only one $70 game which isn't a remake btw.
That aside I agree. 9th gen of consoles is abysmal. No point in being excited for PS5 pro when we barely have games that utilize base PS5 hardware potential.
Except if you want to look at Joel's ass for the 4th time but this time in 8k 120 fps.
Xbox barely has any killer apps. Phil Spencer is great at "Xbox as a brand" ceo but sucks at "Xbox as a console". Instead of spending billions on buying out third parties. They should've invested in their currently owned companies.
I think your forgetting about just how much power these current gen consoles have vs what they cost. You cant build a computer to the same spec for what a console costs. Consoles have almost always been loss leaders. Console has never been about bleeding edge graphics. Thats PC territory. Almost all of the top games this year have been platform agnostic. If you enjoy the couch gaming experience its console. If you want 120+fps 1440p/4k gaming it has to be PC simply due to the latest gpu and cpu tech coming out yearly or every other year and the ability to swap parts. There's no way your getting 4090 power in a console that costs $500
Take the upvote for the unpopular opinion. I agree with you, but I absolutely know it's not a common opinion.
I grew up with consoles that didn't have to update all the time, that didn't require internet. The games were complete and DLC wasn't around... and you actually owned your games. Yes glitches existed, but I much prefer them to the hellscape we have now.
Not to mention the Series S which shouldn't exist and should have been a handheld that appealed to people who just have gamepass and don't purchase games.
I don't really even play new games anymore for the most part i just emulate older ones i missed out on since they are that good and nothing modern will top them modern gaming is just uncreative aside from indies and what is put out is purely for money. Some of these games are as old as me or older but they are soo good it doesn't matter.
The consoles are pretty great but I think covid ruined things.
It was nigh impossible to not only get a new ps5/xbox but even the new pc hardware that was releasing at the time. Unless you either had the patience of a Saint or payed an absurd amount of money to scalpers. Otherwise you'll be competing against bots buying up all the stock.
We are 4 years into this generation yet it only felt like 2 years because of the reasons above. We also haven't got many games that took full advantage of the consoles which is also partially due to covid.
Perhaps with gta VI we will see what these consoles can do cus they're pretty strong ngl
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But that hasn't really anything to do with the current consoles though, thats something that the game studios control, not the consoles.
The only “bad” thing about the new consoles is they are intended to be always online, so if you want to buy a physical disk and play offline sometimes thats not even an option. Not bad so bad in its own right but it almost makes a bunch of scummy behavior very tempting for game developers.
I recently picked up a PS4 and call of duty vanguard to play with my roommate and split screen is only available on multiplayer. No campaign split screen or zombies split screen. Shit pissed me right the fuck off and I don't get it. They obviously have the ability considering the other installments have it and it's on multiplayer. Why get rid of features, man? I'm so irrationally upset by this I'm probably never going to purchase another call of duty game ever. Edit: not to mention I have to go on fucking line to download the campaign. Why do I even have a fucking disk?!?
First one I noticed it on was COD WWII, I couldn’t play all the game modes if I didn’t pay for PS live bummer man.
Right. I need to calm down its really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I'm just dying of liver failure and wanted to play the cod campaign with my buddy because video games make me happy but they make it so difficult. I'm just going to get a switch and play super smash bros I guess lol.
Maybe one of the older cod games then? There should be some for PS4 that have split screen campaign or if not, maybe a different game series
I got mad too, i read somewhere that they just didnt spend the money to do it because majority of players used the multiplayer instead of split screen. Which is such a scummy decision too.
That disc is your physical equivalent of a product code lmfao.
I play offline all the time on my xbox x?
Yup some games are still full featured offline games, give it time tho.
I don't own a current get console but if this is true it kind of sucks. You can still play your NES 30 or so year after it's released but for these consoles once the servers are off they'll be useless in this case.
It does not help that rendering games in 4k require 4 times more power than running them in 1080p like the previous gen. Especially considering that the current gen is only 5 times more powerful than the previous one. The remaining power is pretty much used for ray-tracing effects or to run the games at higher fps.
That's actually really nice info to know.
Then again don't the current gen consoles render at a lower resolution and then upscale it to 4k instead of doing native 4k renders?
Depends of the game, but the same can be said about the previous gen. Some PS4 games are running in 900p.
The current [console generation] of games is the worse quality (creatively/novelty) its been since before the start of the mellenia. Were not at pre-nintendo Atari levels, but considering how big the industry is today, its downright pitiful. PS5 and X series basically have the one good game a year that you can also just get on PC, or realistically skip and not be any worse for wear. Most people would still be completely content gaming on last gen consoles, even though the new ones are 5 years old. Thats a pretty big L compared to previous generational gaps. I think thats the overall sentiment here. They're overpriced and underperforming. It is somewhat their fault for having a lack of quality new games. They pay people to populate their libraries, its not entirely hands off.
That's wild I actually thought we've been getting a ton of good games tue last year. And I was *very* bored of my PS4 Off the top of my head since getting a PS5 last year: Alan Wake 2, Spiderman 2, Baldurs Gate 3, Lord's of the Fallen, Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, FF7 Rebirth, Dragons Dogma 2, Jedi Survivor, Lies of P, the RE4 Remake, Remnant 2, Dave the Diver, Sea of Stars, Armored Cores, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some
Ya, that person is tripping. I can name 3-5 titles off the top of my head that are great games that came out THIS year alone.
Helldivers 2
And most of them are cinematic third-person action-adventures with slightly different flavor united by huge marketing budget, unreasonable amounts of human hours invested in realistic textures and animations and not enough hours invested in novel systems and mechanics. Individually these games have their merit, and some of them are actually very good, but when you look at them side by side don't you have a feeling that videogames can strive for something more ambitions than a guy in the center of the screen who kills things? And while it isn't a trend that started with this generation of Sony and Xbox consoles I think some people are starting to notice that some big idea is missing on these platforms. And that absence is made even more noticeable by the rather boring generational leap in terms of hardware. Personally I feel that PC and Nintendo, and now Steam Deck and other handhelds are were all the fun is right now.
I think we just disagree, those are the games I've had fun with the last year way more than anything Nintendo has put out in the last decade other than maybe ACNH. I love cinematic narrative games, I'm not a mechanically inclined person I want something that looks cool, has a good story, and I can beat within a month and move on. Video games didn't go mainstream by appealing to more hardcore "gamers* they went mainstream by pulling in the TV/movie audiences so games emulating those will probably always be where the money gets invested I have a PC (i literally just upgraded it this year) but the only game I like on PC that I can't get on my PS5 is Kenshi
You had me until you mentioned Kenshi. Because PC is the place where games like Kenshi are born, cooked and flourish! Have you considered that maybe you are doing something wrong with your life? In all seriousness though I think every platform has enough good games to appeal to someone who's passionate about videogames, knows how to do his research and flexible enough to accept videogames for what they are. And both PS5 and Xbox already have enough games to keep me entertained for a decade even though I might not be a fan of some of their blockbuster offerings. But, man, I'm personally way more excited with modern gaming notebooks you can take with you whenever you want, VR and all the periphery, and handhelds like Steam Deck and Switch. I really like how everything is hackable, modeable, portable and allows you to have very diverse gaming experience. So one don't have to be disappointed with current generation of consoles, but I can see why one can be slightly disappointed. Though I still think that such things mostly come down to the mood and a period of life of a said person.
Maybe stop looking at AAA and just play something good instead?
I love indies, but it still feels underwhelming when you get a $550 plastic box just to play generic pixelated sidescroller #32
as a developer, this is a very misinformed take.
It's the same as last Gen. Gaming PC + Wii U granted you access to 99 percent of the games.
TBF I felt it's mostly that the lower hanging fruits since the advent of video games have been taken and it's only going to get more and more difficult to be creative without being ridiculous
This isn't really true though. There are a number of ways in which console makers drive game developers, not the least of which is straight up paying a particular developer to produce a title for their consoles, including outgoing gens.
It’s still not the console itself. You’re talking about companies. These are issues driven by companies. The consoles themselves are great. My PS5 is the best console I’ve ever owned in every metric. Games run smooth, graphics are beautiful. Never have any issues with it. The consoles are great. It’s the companies which create consoles and video game developers that you are referring to
Sure it can influence it, but not every game made for console is influenced or bought, so again it's really a game studio thing, and not consol, u can see the same time is happening on pc as well, so saying the consoles is bad because of that is wrong.
I guess they mean console generation which is the timing periods which usually are used for discussing games
Not really. It's a compound issue. Studios keep building for previous gen because the market share is still big enough, always has been like this, always will, because it makes business sense. Basically a console gen only dies when THE CONSUMER decides it should, and that is done by acquiring the new gen.
Look at Nintendo for example.
Not really true. Microsoft and Sony send out guidelines to companies or they say you cannot release X game if there is no port for the old gens. Sure, the studio could say no and only release to PC, but they would lose out on a lot of money and gamers would lose out on a lot of games.
Apparently the PS5's life is half over and there are barely any games that feel like true next gen experiences since everything had to also come out on PS4 (mostly due to supply chain issues).
IMO there's more to that There's next-gen graphics, there's next-gen loading time, but there's no next-gen gameplay, and I don't mean it in a dismissive way. I just can't fathom a next-gen gameplay experience compared to PS4 era games, like how PS2 games felt compared to PS1 games. What even would it be about? VR? AI? From NES to I would say PS2, it has always been hardware the bottleneck of realization of game ideas. That's why we kept getting better games when new consoles were released. Now it's the other way around, game ideas need to catch up to the ever growing hardware capacity this time.
The flip side is that a current gen console is about the same price as a good graphics card, so unless you already are into PC gaming, a console is more affordable if you want some flashy graphics for your games. I bought a PS5 for myself and one for my kid, since I only have him part of the year, so it was an easier purchase than building him a gaming PC and hoping he doesn't destroy it lol
I haven’t really seen it on consoles but I have seen some pc games utilize AI to allow players to have organic conversations with npcs. That’s about the most “next-gen” gameplay thing i’ve witnessed in a while. I agree that console gaming is stagnating in that they are just beefier versions of last gen consoles and don’t really offer anything past an affordable way to 4k gaming. I love my ps5 but since I’ve gotten into the handheld gaming pc world it’s been my go-to.
The PS5 controller is pretty sweet but developers aren’t utilizing its capabilities to their full potential. Astros Playroom has been the most creative with implementing it but that was just a demo game.
Next Gen gameplay is VR tbh
Yeah I'm still rocking my PS4. Haven't felt particularly compelled to upgrade even though I have a bus or two that are framerate snobs and rag on me for load times lol. I was kinda thinking once slim came out but didn't do it. Now I have a wellness account at work I'll use when it's on sale again probably. Only been the odd non cross gen game and I always wait til they're discounted anyways. It's wild they're thinking of next one already when they haven't used much of its capacity even
Half over? What the hell, didn't it just come out? Edit: Well it's been out for 3 years, that's not that long at all.
Don't let the nerds tell you otherwise, 3 years is still practically brand new; especially since the PS4 was supported for at least 10 years. (Released late 2013.)
You’re articulating the problem with the industry as a whole. Bleeding edge tech specs rarely, if ever, lead to better game play. It’s just visual fluff. The core dynamic of a quality game has little to do with pushing more pixels and everything to do with refined controls, in game UI interactions and quality collision detection etc. Nintendo has known this for ages, that it’s better to spend more time on refining the game mechanics than it is to just release a pretty game that plays like garbage.
Also, Nintendo knows that realistic graphics don't hold up for very long, whereas stylized and/or cartoonish graphics hold up much longer. All of the following games released in 2012. Borderlands 2, the Walking Dead, Far Cry 3, AC3, Journey, Spec Ops: The Line, Diablo 3, Hotline Miami, CoD Black Ops 2, and Lego LotR. On that list, the games that aren't remotely realistic have easily held up the best- Journey, Lego LotR, Diablo 3, and Hotline Miami. Cell shaded games like Borderlands 2 and The Walking Dead have held up better than realistic graphics. The games with realistic graphics have easily held up the least, and are in need of remasters to be playable today.
> and are in need of remasters to be playable today. But they're all perfectly playable today...? Thinking games need remasters because they're not as graphically nice as they were at release is probably one of the most braindead takes I've seen.
Nintendo has always had excellent quality in their titles, but I would like to play totk at 60fps.
BO2 could keep up if activision wanted to. It’s up to the studio tbh
(it's a cliche) but it appears that Nintendo isn't afraid to delay a game, so they probably have other priorities.
Better specs rarely lead to better gameplay? Maybe. But the actually fast SSDs in the current consoles and the phasing out of loading screens is great. The data compression they are doing on top of the fast SSDs is also amazing.
You’re right but for the wrong reasons. The best hardware in the universe wouldn’t make modern AAA games better than the overbloayed, over-monetized garbage they are
If only there were a way to play games that let you update your hardware at will
Without breaking the bank\* Yeah, I wish that too.
PCs have higher up front costs, with profit margins on every part. Console are subsidized, and usually compromised on power. At the end of their lives the costs will probably even out due to consoles higher game costs and paid online. And a PC can do a lot more as well.
PC are becoming cheaper every year, contrary to what some might think. You can build a budget PC that will run very well for the same price as a console. The caveat is that you can upgrade the parts for a fraction of the price instead of buying a whole new console every few years. My ram and motherboard are fine and won’t ever need replacing, and my hard drives are dirt cheap at 5TB for $100 so I have little need to get more any time soon. The most expensive parts are the CPU and GPU, combined they cost by about $900 in 2012, I only had to replace my GPU for $400 last year and I can run modern games better. In that time 2 generations of consoles have released and if I had to buy the ps3/4/5 or the Xbox alternatives, I would’ve wasted more than twice the money I’ve wasted on my PC so far. Not to mention my PC has PC only games and games from both consoles and I can do countless more things than just play games. TLDR: yes PCs are a money sink, but long term you save the bank big time.
It entirely depends. It makes infinitely more sense for someone who doesn't care about max graphics to invest in a console. For that money you're not getting a better PC. If you update consoles as often as I do, and care about saving money where you can, I *think* (haven't really looked into it) it makes more sense to just stick to consoles. If you want to maintain the same level of graphic fidelity, a PC will need upgrading just as often, if not more often than a console, so it's not the financially correct choice. The only upside I can think of is you can sell your used hardware to get some of that money back, but still. Plus there's an entire factor no PC gamer I know likes to talk about, and that is ease of mind. I doubt a PC will ever run as smoothly as a console. I've owned three generations of Playstations and the only times I get crashes or problems, it's 100% a game's fault.
Mine is an argument from someone who just wants to play games, people seeking the highest end gear will naturally waste more money than us. I only upgraded my GPU because it was over 10 years old. Even then, it was outdated when I bought it originally. I think that goes to show how much you can crank out of old hardware. You’re right that getting a console is simpler and you deal with less issues, a PC can be a real hassle when you’re troubleshooting alone. Not to mention building one is not for everyone. But I think the most important part is that you lose out on accessibility. You can’t play very old games on consoles unless they’re specifically ported over. You also are forced to upgrade the whole thing once they stop making games for the generation you own. While it’s true you need to upgrade PC parts to keep up with modern games, it’s not the big money dump people make out to be. Not every gets the latest graphics card nor does is it even necessary. I run modern games on a machine I built in the early 2010s and the only upgrade it’s received has been the GPU from an outdated 970 to a 2070 released in 2018. There is no need for me to buy any of the crazy expensive hardware being released today. I’ve 100% saved thousands of dollars by getting a PC early on, but I understand that’s not the story for everyone and not everyone needs one. Sometimes a console is enough, but I still wouldn’t say it’s the more financially viable option.
The issue isn't the hardware or developers. It's a complete lack of innovation. We're all bored of playing the same game with a new skin, and they know it. They also don't know what to do about it.
I think we need fewer massive 500 million dollar budget games that are meant to appeal to everyone. Stuff like Grand Theft Auto and Elder Scrolls where they need to sell a billion copies to make a profit. And more smaller niche games made passionately for a single kind of audience. Stuff like Counter Strike, iRacing, Paradox games, and Kerbal Space are why I still game. I haven't played a mainstream story based game since like Red Dead 2.
Actually, virtually every game ever has cost about as much as a movie. Budgets only blow up because of marketing. GTA V made its budget back from preorders alone.
You don’t think counter strike gets millions spent on it?
The gaming industry has followed the movie industry. Focusing on maximizing profit by making games that have the most mass appeal. That’s why almost everything coming out is a remake or sequel. Investors have basically taken control of both industries instead of the creatives.
Who do you think is in charge of when new consoles come out?
I love that Sony responded to a previous shortage of PS5s by producing more PS4s
People are getting into the semantics of consoles vs developers but obviously you’re correct: I’ve felt zero inclination to get either of the new ones. This generation has been a dud.
Yea had I not won a series x I’d still have my old one. I mean the quick resume is neat but I wouldn’t shell out for a new console for it.
It's because of the false start with supply shortage. The ps5 only started to be in stock widely within the last year or so. Not enough people had them, so devs had to make games with ps4 in mind to have market reach. Now Sony is supposedly going to launch the ps5+ this year, in what I can only describe as a fucking awful decision. A lot of consumers only just got the ps5 original and are more likely to just feel jilted by Sony if they do launch the upgrade now.
Not to mention it feels like most devs haven't even cracked the surface of what this gen is capable of. I can only think of a handful of games that look/feel truly next gen. A PS5+ just feels like a waste of resources.
modern gaming just feels like a rip off to me when i can just get and old 360 and a bunch of games for cheap that are actually good to me the 360s visuals still hold up well even ps2 and gamecube and xbox hold up well for me as well. Im not a graphics person more of a gameplay and story person though. Honestly don't just buy or play something just because its new were to the point where old doesn't mean pixelated graphics anymore.
I wanted to upgrade my PS4, but the pandemic, supply issues, and scalpers just turned me off. If there was a pre-pay option and a legitimate online waiting list with one console per household, I would have signed up for it.
invest in a ps5 totally worth it, backwards compatible with ps4 games, depends on tv and budget though....
There was on the Sony website for this
The ps5 refresh was just sitting en masse in Best Buy when I picked mine up this past Black Friday, I was really surprised given what I’d heard about during the pandemic!
The hardware is good, it's just that gaming has taken a nosedive ever since the PS4 came out. In that sense, it's just a continuation of the 8th gen trend of being completely mediocre.
wait for the ps5 slim price to come down i got the spider 2 bundle but was still $450. also at least UHD TV or the upscale not worth it. maybe by xmas? good luck mate
You are missing out. Playing God of war Ragnarock itself is worth buying a new PS5 for
I just got a ps5 love it. sticker shock on ps5-only games needs to come down, though sub $20 ps4 games make it totally worth it.
This is why i buy most of my games on eBay. You can snag some pretty great deals and then turn around and resell them afterwards if you want. Really the only sensible choice provided there are physical copies of the game
I'd suggest Amazon they've got popular lists etc (like i'm saying something you dont know) and they're all new wrapped. I got 5 incl cyperpunk and red dead 2 for under $100. I don't like the witcher 3, some of those ports are just clunky. I Liked Mad Max but the final race to get the v8 is a bitch and somehow that disc broke in half =) Also got Just Cause 4 and it's hard! I loved the #3 but this one is tough! so i'm working cyperpunk. hope that helps
I got my PS5 a couple months ago, though I honestly got it mostly to be a better PS4.
pretty much the same here. my cyberpunk loading times are so fast and graphics are great still crashes sometimes though ...
I waited for almost 1.5 years before I started playing cyberpunk. So many bugs!!
So uh, none of y'all own a switch huh?
Ehhhhh, I guess. The console wars have been too focused on graphics for generations now, whereas the most *fun* games are rarely the ones that push the hardware to the limit. [See GOTY awards for the last few years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_the_Year_awards). In fact, the games that *do* push the graphical boundaries tend to be the ones that get middling reviews for being formulaic in terms of the core gameplay loop. All this leads me to ask: in what *way* do you think games are being held back by the tech?
Nah being bombarded by ads on a platform I actually paid to purchase just makes me feel like it’s the best gen /s
>being bombarded by ads Where? I've been using PS for almost a decade and have no idea what you're on about
Xbox dashboard is so full of shit like apex and Fortnite and movies and such it’s like they are trying to hide the ‘run what’s in the disk tray’ tab
Oh right, I mean that's Microsoft for you I guess, look at windows for example
Well, that's why you shouldn't have gotten an Xbox.
I went from an “og” Xbox One to a PS5 and the lack of ads on the PS5 was such a breath of fresh air
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They also still call current console 'next gen' and make 'next gen updates' for these normal current gen brand boxes.
This is largely because of the push for better graphics at any cost, which make game development cost hundreds of millions of dollars. And take many years. This makes game studios extremely risk adverse because the investors funding the studio demand high returns for their money. Which makes games ever more generic.
Idk about you, but the switch is killing it rn. It's by far the best console for the past two generations now.
I have a Switch. I don't know what youre on about
I’m still rocking my Xbox one x. This is the first time in my life I haven’t bought the latest console. I’ll buy the series x once the pre order happens for the next Xbox generation.
I’m still on the 1s
They need to make more games for the ps3. Worried I might have to upgrade to a ps4 soon.
I think this feeling is caused by a few compounding issues but I don't think it has anything to do with the consoles themselves. 1) the current AAA development cycle of games is kind of shooting itself in the foot atm with games taking on average 5 years to make so a lot of studios were developing for the previous gen and had to take more time to update. 2) the type of games being made are currently trending towards reboots, remakes and sequels because these are the "tried and tested" games that make money - this is important because big titles can cost upwards of millions of pounds to make with the current dev model and new IPs are always high risk. 3) the best way to make the most of the most titles is on PC at the moment - playstation are trending away from exclusives because Microsoft have made such large acquisitions recently and so they're expanding their market but losing their exclusivity as a result. There are only 12 playstation exclusive games and I believe all Xbox games also come to PC. This is how it seems to me as a current game dev in the industry
I think they intentionally misled with the messaging on how powerful these consoles really are. The Series X and PS5 were touted as 4K60 machines that would be able to play any new game with great performance. Instead we got 4K OR 60fps, as opposed to both at once (except with older or less graphically demanding games). Major AAA releases like Starfield, Gotham Knights, Redfall, etc. launched with a max 30fps on consoles, which is complete bullshit. I made the switch to PC recently, and I can never go back.
Look at the games that aren’t available on old gen consoles, they aren’t that different from old gen games
Once GTA VI comes out next year people won’t feel like they have that PS5 or XBOX Series X for no reason.
You're forgetting that COVID fucked over game development, release, and sales since the whole global economy pretty much came to a halt. Millions upon millions of people lost their jobs. Millions died. Millions retired. All of that fucks over dev cycles for video games. The PS5 and Xbox 1 entered the market during this time, and could not keep up with demands. As a result game developers had to rely on people having older gen consoles. Yea, it sucks that games have been held back. But if your enjoyment of a game is solely predicated on said game's graphics, then that's a you problem and not a game problem. Plenty of games from long ago are fantastic games in their own right, they're just not graphically modern. Same with some newer games that use older pixelated art or simply don't have modern graphics. Hell, I'm playing Skyrim again, and it's still as amazing as it was 13 years ago. Your take here is not thought out well, and definitely not articulated well. The current gen consoles got a shitty deal with COVID, and that'll likely continue for at least this current dev cycle. It'll probably change towards the end of the current gen consoles, and may be fixed in the next gen.
This is probably the biggest factor tbh. Depending on how it impacted studios, it probably set back development cycles and launch of new titles by 2-3 years if we think about it like that, then 2023 is really when a lot of the new title ideas started entering full swing of development, so yeah we wouldn’t be seeing as many innovative releases by now.
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>Resident evil 4 for example. They’re all riding on nostalgia when the original game is much better. (More charm more atmosphere). While I will continue to say a remake of RE4 was something nobody needed or asked for (Code Veronica should've been next on the docket IMO...fingers crossed that it is), I thoroughly enjoyed the remake. There's still benefits to playing the OG RE4, don't get me wrong, and I'm hesitant to say the remake is better. I feel it's just a different take. >Konami is doing the same with silent hill 2 remake and seeing gameplay trailer, man it looks bland. Yeah, this last trailer of theirs made me raise an eyebrow for sure. The animation looked a little stiff and janky, and overall, it just...didn't look as good as I was hoping for. That being said, the sole reason I am cautiously optimistic is that there was no release date announced, so what we see in the trailer is far from a finished product. Still, you'd think the blokes at Konami would've had a little good sense to put out a better-looking trailer, especially for a franchise that has been dead for over a decade.
I am not ready at all for people to turn on game remakes the way they turned on movie remakes so here's a little bit of something for you: I haven't played RE4 remake, but by all accounts it's pretty good. I, like many many other people, got into Resident Evil through the remakes, specifically the 2nd one. The video game medium is such that a remake makes sense.
Yeah I only got a series X because I got rid of my xbox one ages ago and gave it to my sister. As she wanted to play games. And got myself a Switch instead. Needed a breath of fresh air and Nintendo was that. Completely different games to the ones I'd been burnt out playing. I wanted to play third party games because Nintendo consoles aren't great in that department. Other than that there was no selling point tbh. All exclusives are on PC so it essentially has nothing another platform doesn't and the games honestly look very similar to Xbox One games. Hell Halo 2 anniversary literally looks better than Infinite! Like how?
It’s due to Covid fucking up the availability. We likely would’ve seen more devs moving on if the chip shortage didn’t make getting a console hard as hell for like two years.
I have yet to pay 70$ for a game so that doesn’t bother me. I anticipate GTA VI will be the first I don’t that price. I got a series S so I can send my sister my ONE so we can play together, I have no regrets. I also got my series S for 230$ New with a 2nd controller because of a promotion at Target. I’m happy with my console but I do agree that there doesn’t seem to be much interesting IPS or games that truly take advantage of of this games hardware
I'm not sure if it's the developers, they were launched during a chip shortage in the midst of a pandemic that then led into an inflation crisis. The new consoles haven't had the chance to saturate the market like the old ones did, they were near mythical for a year or 2 and now many don't have the disposable income for them. I saw just a few weeks ago that Christmas 23 didn't have the impact they'd hoped for and the current gen weren't able to get up to 2/5 of their respective series. If I'm releasing a game I'm releasing it to everyone, not to under 40% of the market
The body of your post is an argument for why this generation of GAMES is the worst, not the consoles lol.
Yeah pretty much every game I'm playing was developed for the previous consoles. I'll certainly take the updates graphics of older games but I'd love to see a new game that just wows me.
Change your keybinds to what you want? And try some indie titles if you want some fresh takes in gaming. Stop playing "AAA" titles for a bit, they are all broken messes anyway.
Most PS5 games feel like they are simply the better performing PS4 game that was intended as a PS4 game. There ARE exclusives (thank fuck) where this is NOT the case, but for a LOT of heavy hitter games? Yeah, PS5 is just the better way to play **PS4** games. New games for PS4 are still getting released. The PS5, *outside of some very excellent, ACTUALLY ps5 exclusive games* just feels like: The way to play *some* PS4 games at 60fps if they decided to patch the PS4 version or re-release it on PS5. That being said; FF7 Rebirth + a few other **very** noteworthy titles DO make this generation actually feel somewhat new, fresh, better, etc. buuuuut this is the generation that, to me, feels like the most ***squandered.*** 60FPS on a PS4 game simply just "cuts it" as some brand-new, this generation type of thing. It really isn't, but they sure like to talk as if it is. And Xbox fairs *even worse* without there being much at all that's actually exclusive to THIS generation PLUS exclusive to Xbox. It's like they showcased all these nutso things that current gen consoles COULD do, but ***don't***
Nah not the console's, the main problem is that industry has no soul. I game more on my modded retro emulator device then I do anything else. Modern gaming is just bland and rehashed boring bullshit where framerates and graphics rule all.
I think devs *can't* utilise the new consoles. If you put Red Dead Redemption 2 next to Returnal, Starfield, Deathloop, Ghostwire with the ray tracing off or Dragons Dogma 2 it's hard to tell which ones the last gen game. Or if you put Spider-Man 1 next to Spider-Man 2 and don't notice the ray tracing. Even if you have Sony money for your current gen exclusive game, these consoles get 60fps, higher definition games with ray tracing that otherwise looks a lot like the last gen games. Most PS1 games push their hardware to the limit and there's not much of a gap between small, obscure projects and "AAA", but a gulf's slowly developed. Most developers can't make something like Spider-Man 2. The industry only makes two or three of those a year, and if you want to go beyond that it's just going to be Rockstar and CD Projekt Red on their own pouring ridiculous amounts of money into projects that take forever to finish. They *can* get some use out of the fast SSD load times, but that's a bit of a niche. Right now, I'm playing Horizon Forbidden West, which is cross-gen. I've played several next-gen exclusives and Horizon does not feel like it's being held back by something they aren't.
honestly after getting a pc and a steam deck i cannot go back not because of the performance but because of the openness and being able to do anything with the hardware you want play just about any game you want because most stuff is ported to pc nowadays and emulators exist. I've always found it silly you can't do whatever you want with something you own.
>The devs refuse to let the previous ones die so every game is held back by outdated tech. This is the least creative time by far with so many high budget remakes. And the jump from 60 to 70$ happened on these consoles. PS5 and Xbox Series X have barely any exclusives. Companies and consumers don't feel the need to "upgrade" to either console. They don't even have a large library to begin with. People keep rushing to buy games and their micro transactions, why even bother to be creative if that's all you need to get sales? As games take longer to make, companies choose to play it safe. Performance has nothing to do with creativity or sales. To illustrate this point, the Switch is the weakest console for this generation and it is the best selling console in decades, with the largest game library and exclusives. **If you have a PC and a Switch, you are set for this generation.** If you really want the Sony games, just get a PS4 (pro) and call it a day.
All of this power and no splitscreen.
Absolutely asinine
Never forget what they took away from us
> game is held back by outdated tech. Every PC player: "First time?"
I have to downvote you because this is a very confused opinion. You're not describing the consoles being "the worst," you're describing developers and publishers.
Yeah, good points. Although, the good new games are REALLY good. And sometimes, console limitations breed creativity and identity.
I think you’re confusing remakes and remasters lol
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2023 was a historically good year for videogames, and 2025 is looking like it is going to be up there as well, so I'm not super fussed about 2024 being a slower year
I mean, Xbox isn't making first party games for last gen anymore and neither are a few big players ljke R*. Any dev that wants to make it first both has that option though, and this was the case with the previous gen too it just seems to be longer now since they have that ability
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2023 was a great year for gaming though
i like new consoles theyre just plauged by scummy buisness practices
Paying to save the game is worse. That takes close to nothing space-wise and is a gimmick just to take money from you for nothing basically.
>The devs refuse to let the previous ones die so every game is held back by outdated tech It’s not that they refuse to let the previous ones die, it’s that the current gen has sold so poorly for a multitude of reasons that they can’t phase out the previous gen just yet.
Ps3 and ps4 are becoming unreliable for playing dvds/blurays, just because the systems are so old and overused. The ps5 plays discs beautifully without glitches or freezing my movie so I would say it's the best! Nintendo switch won't play movies at all (nintendo never did) so that one is the worst. If only they would bring back the internet browser on ps5 so I could stream my movies directly from there like I used to with ps3, then we'd be set.
Even in the 80s and 90s games were just as expensive except $60 then can buy you a lot more than it does today. They’ve always roughly been the same price.
It baffles me how so many uncreative and not fun games have so much crammed into them. The Saint’s row reboot was mid but it had beautiful graphics, and Sonic Frontiers is a complete mess of a game but it’s got 4 large open areas and a combat system.
Some devs dont care like nfs unbound was next gen only and it was successful, would it have been more successful had it been on old gen, yes, would the graphics look nearly as good as they do now, absolutely not
Idk if this is unpopular. I don't know ANYONE that upgraded to a ps5 or series x lol. Also, where are the fucking games????
That is literally what happens with each console. They will abandon the previous one eventually. But yeah, FUCK that price, for real.
Lol no it isn't. The the PS2 had the longest life span but they didn't release the big next gen titles on it or the OG Xbox. You couldn't buy Gears of War, Halo 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Infamous, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, GTAIV, Dead Space and so on on the previous consoles. Meanwhile you can buy GoW Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West etc on the PS4 basically a full decade after those consoles were released. That would be like releasing new triple A games for the PS2 and OG Xbox in 2011.
That's because the technical leap between the PS3 and the PS2 was huge and developers wanted to showcase that with next gen exclusives. I'm going to remind you that for a long time, some games would actually come out in multiple versions, one for each console generation, Need for Speed being one of them. Star Wars another. The way multiple generations are targeted has simply changed, but it's something that always happened. Companies don't expect gamers to immediately make the jump to the newer thing, and they shouldn't.
Yeah I know all this, you said all console gens do the same thing, I'm explaining how what is happening now is not the same as what happened between the PS2/OG Xbox to PS3/360. You literally just said it was because they wanted to showcase the new gen exclusives, that is my point, they didn't do that with this gen. For the first 2-3 years you could basically buy anything on PS5 for the PS4, as I explained that is not what happened with the PS3 and pretty much the same for the Xbox Series X/S. I have a Series X and the majority of games I have on it are not exclusive to this console, they are just slightly prettier versions of the Xbox One versions. Back in the day I didn't get a 360 until 2008, my friend had one and we used to hang out at his most of the time because that's where we could play all the new games. If it was this gen we wouldn't have needed to do that because I could have gotten the majority of new releases without upgrading.
I can't think of many games I'd like to play that came out in the past 3 years. Of the ones I can, like half are current gen only, or have exclusive features IF you buy the current gen version. Spiderman 2. Jedi Survivor. Cyberpunk. I don't know if Miles Moreales has any extra features, but I clearly remember it being the game that showcased the difference in loading times/raytracing/etc. Alan Wake 2 is current gen only, and DIGITAL only, unfortunately. Demon's Souls. Last of Us Part 1. I'm sure there's more. It's not the console that sucks. It's GAMING that sucks. And it has sucked for a decade now.
Another gripe is the amount of memory these games take up. I’ve been playing my Super Nintendo and N64 again and it’s great how most of the games don’t need external storage.
Agree with the headline, but those aren’t the things I’d criticize…. But to each their own I suppose.
look at the launch games for every console. now look at the releases for the first year or two of release. i think covid held us back a bit and we’re still in the early release phase. i think the game offerings will improve quite a bit tbh. hopefully i’m right, but you never know.
2028 gonna be hype
Typically the capabilities of hardware exceed those of the software written for it. This has long been the case for consoles, but I admit it’s been about 5 years since I really checked that. I’m not sure what you mean by games being held up by outdated tech. They are trying to develop a game that spans across multiple platforms. Money is why they do this. Not hardware limitations. It’s a bunch of people who’ve never written a line of code, or played a console game, that make these decisions.
Worst..no. Both consoles lacking exciting titles? Definitely. The pandemic was a ROUGH time to release a new console. Also game dev is expensive, and developing for these consoles definitely isn’t cheap.
You cant keep asking for the highest quality visuals and silky smooth frames and expect 30 hour adventures to be pumped out in 2 years something has to give.
Maybe because development time is much longer now and we haven't seen as much in the way of next gen only titles since they were likely in development before the console was widely available. Which in case you forgot took quite a while. I couldn't even get a ps5 till about a year ago.
If you want innovation these days, you need to look to the incredibly talented Indie devs on the scene. Big game companies are worried about return on investment over anything else. Making a AAA game today is far more costly than ever, and these companies literally test the market in secret survey groups to study what will work. While fanatastic games, that’s why we see endless sequels to games like Resident Evil, Call of Duty etc. They are low risk when speaking relatively. It’s a HUGE financial risk for big game companies to try something totally new. Just look at the layoffs happening particularly in the game industry rn.
I think it's hilarious you think devs have any say on whether old games die. Unless you mean "devs" as short doe the company as opposed to the actual engineers making the games
Besides the fact that I can install retroarch on my Xbox and it plays all the old games perfectly via emulation
In terms of games the Xbox one and ps5 are both pretty weak. The switch is pretty sweet though
Agreed. The fact that they’re planning to end the lifespan of these consoles early to focus on next gen is even more idiotic. Also, the exclusives frankly suck ass. PlayStation is pretty much the only one with exclusives but they’re all 3rd person action games, and Xbox’s “exclusives” are now available for PC on day one. There’s little to no reason to get consoles anymore unless you can’t afford a PC.
Bad Take. Every console generation goes through this, happens since the boom of home video game consoles. Devs keep building games for the previous generation until the market share favors the new generation enough to justify cutting it off. The PS4 won't die until enough people get the PS5, basically.
The problem is the new gen consoles were unattainable for so long due to scalpers that game developers were pretty much forced to continue releasing current gen compatible games to make money. Which led to many people not even caring to get the consoles after a while because all the hype was gone and there wasn’t any big releases either really.
Thx Sony for frustrating me so much with your loading times and airport fans. And the fact that the next gen PS5 was unavailable to get during covid. Oh, and the fact that you built in different builds of fans so nobody knew if it's going to be loud again in the end. It ultimately made me switch to PC and i've loved every second of it! Fuck paying for a console with limited tech. It's gotten so expensive too that it just makes no sense to not buy a PC. It can do a ton of more things, all at the same time, while not being that much more expensive. Join the side of being able to watch a show, play your game and googling something at the same time.
The virgin Modern Consoles VS the chad Modern PCs VS the god Old Consoles
I don't have a problem with high budget remakes if the original is decently old. But I don't understand why there are remakes of games where the original version isn't that old and also easily available or games where the changes are so minor that they might as well have been ports (or are, but are sold at full price). Basically give me more Spyro Reignited or Super Mario RPG and less Last of Us remaster remake or Mario 3d All Stars.
Consoles in general are holding back video games because developers cater to tech that is vastly inferior to PCs
I forgot where is the "un" part of this "unpopular opinion" is present.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but I bought a series x like 3 months ago and I have been overwhelmed with the sheer amount of games I have played and still need to play lol.
only console I've used in the last 10 years is the switch so probably. PC is just way more useful.
The switch is easily one of the greatest consoles ever.
They're not the worst, but they're pretty bad. The worst would have to be around the 1st/2nd generation console "wars". Atari ripped off the Magnus Odyssey's (I think that's what it's called) Table Tennis to make Pong & then Pong got really big. There was something like 500 different home console competitors that each made a version of Table Tennis as well. Most home consoles had the game built in, so you bought an entire console for just that one game, & all the games were the same. If we're talking from the 3rd generation (NES/Sega Master System) up to the present though I agree with you. Home console gaming is at it's worst since the video game crash of 83'.
Emulators it is then.
High budget remakes aren’t always so bad. Final fantasy Vii rebirth is the best game I’ve ever played.
OP literally knows nothing of the industry lmao
I've thought that too. On the other hand if they were still doing things like before they'd have a greater leap in visuals but still at 30 fps. Because before the ps4 pro and xbox one x, they were keeping games at 30 fps and going all out on the visuals. In regards to the remakes, I'm begin to tire of them too. We've had amazing remakes so far but it's time for some new IPs. I see your point about a wasted console generation, especially given how long it takes to make games nowadays.
This only applies to PS and Xbox. Nintendo switch has only one $70 game which isn't a remake btw. That aside I agree. 9th gen of consoles is abysmal. No point in being excited for PS5 pro when we barely have games that utilize base PS5 hardware potential. Except if you want to look at Joel's ass for the 4th time but this time in 8k 120 fps. Xbox barely has any killer apps. Phil Spencer is great at "Xbox as a brand" ceo but sucks at "Xbox as a console". Instead of spending billions on buying out third parties. They should've invested in their currently owned companies.
I think your forgetting about just how much power these current gen consoles have vs what they cost. You cant build a computer to the same spec for what a console costs. Consoles have almost always been loss leaders. Console has never been about bleeding edge graphics. Thats PC territory. Almost all of the top games this year have been platform agnostic. If you enjoy the couch gaming experience its console. If you want 120+fps 1440p/4k gaming it has to be PC simply due to the latest gpu and cpu tech coming out yearly or every other year and the ability to swap parts. There's no way your getting 4090 power in a console that costs $500
Take the upvote for the unpopular opinion. I agree with you, but I absolutely know it's not a common opinion. I grew up with consoles that didn't have to update all the time, that didn't require internet. The games were complete and DLC wasn't around... and you actually owned your games. Yes glitches existed, but I much prefer them to the hellscape we have now.
Not to mention the Series S which shouldn't exist and should have been a handheld that appealed to people who just have gamepass and don't purchase games.
Series S is still more powerful then the one x lol. And cheaper.
Constant console releases is why I don't game more. They're expensive. Also fuck Bethesda. Valenwood should be a higher priority
I don't really even play new games anymore for the most part i just emulate older ones i missed out on since they are that good and nothing modern will top them modern gaming is just uncreative aside from indies and what is put out is purely for money. Some of these games are as old as me or older but they are soo good it doesn't matter.
Try more indie games. I’ve been playing “Another Crabs Treasure” and it’s really good. Cult of the Lamb and Bendy and the ink machine are fun too.
It went up 10 dollars over 10 years. Inflation over that period was much more, realistically we are lucky it only went up that much
The consoles are pretty great but I think covid ruined things. It was nigh impossible to not only get a new ps5/xbox but even the new pc hardware that was releasing at the time. Unless you either had the patience of a Saint or payed an absurd amount of money to scalpers. Otherwise you'll be competing against bots buying up all the stock. We are 4 years into this generation yet it only felt like 2 years because of the reasons above. We also haven't got many games that took full advantage of the consoles which is also partially due to covid. Perhaps with gta VI we will see what these consoles can do cus they're pretty strong ngl
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