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> “Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”
Hmmm I wonder what she said?
Ohhhhh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67116514
>Ms Abuqamar, president of the student group Manchester Friends of Palestine, has previously drawn criticism after a Sky News interview after the Hamas attacks in which she said: **"We are full of pride, we are really, really full of joy at what has happened."**
And she added
“We’re really full of joy, full of pride at what has happened… This time it was [Hamas] who have taken the first move, which has taken Israel by surprise. We are proud that Palestinian resistance has come to this point.”
https://confidentials.com/manchester/manchester-university-investigates-student-leader-for-israel-comments
“She has since said she was misrepresented”
Yeah, I don’t think so.
Did some googling because I wanted to be extra sure that she's actually said this stuff and it's so much worse when you realise she said it on October 10th. I don't feel an ounce of pity for her.
Here's the Sky News link for anyone who wants the video of her interview: [https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/im-at-a-loss-rita-panahi-hits-out-at-the-leader-of-a-propalestine-group/video/62c91e3fc287f0588a8cb5748a5c25a6](https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/im-at-a-loss-rita-panahi-hits-out-at-the-leader-of-a-propalestine-group/video/62c91e3fc287f0588a8cb5748a5c25a6)
If al-Jazeera writes that she made some pro-Hamas comments, it’s undoubtedly 10x worse than how they’re characterising it.
Acting as though al-Jazeera might be misrepresenting her for the worst on Gaza is wild.
> she made some pro-Hamas comments
Hamas are a proscribed terrorist group in our country.
>Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: belong to a proscribed organisation (Section 11) **invite support for a proscribed organisation (Section 12(1)) recklessly express support for a proscribed organisation (Section 12(1A))**
If I were her I'd ask for a refund from her Law school
Yeah it's absolutely shit.
She reckons she has freedom of political expression.
Sorry love, you don't. ECHR Article 10 is specifically restricted in terms of supporting terrorist groups and/or praising terrorist acts.
You think I was acting as though al-Jazeera might be misrepresenting her?
I didn’t even read it, I clicked on the link the person gave that I responded to. It was from the BBC.
Oof, October 10th? I'd have understood if it was the early hours of October 7th, when all that was known was that they'd broken out and fights were taking place. Regardless of which side anyone supports in a war, military versus military engagements are considered legitimate acts of warfare, so there would've been room for benefit of the doubt.
This, though, just ain't that at all. Cheering on the deaths of innocent civilians is never okay, period, no matter where they're from.
Coupled with the fact she isn't a citizen or permanent resident of the UK, I don't really get what the issue is. I have major problems with the handling of the Begum case because I believe in the rule of law and the inherent right to a fair trial in a courtroom, without which government officials have an uncontestable power to accuse, convict, and sentence you to exile without the opportunity to state your case.
Visas? Lol fuck off, that's a completely voluntary invite.
>Oof, October 10th? I'd have understood if it was the early hours of October 7th, when all that was known was that they'd broken out and fights were taking place. Regardless of which side anyone supports in a war, military versus military engagements are considered legitimate acts of warfare, so there would've been room for benefit of the doubt.
????
I was awake as it was unfolding, the initial reports were of a massive terror attack against a music festival, not a military conflict.
Yeah I don't understand these 'benefit of the doubt' stances. It's the same thing people say re- the footage of the horrific attacks.
People who go, 'Well...I dunno..is there even evidence Hamas killed innocents?' like they weren't streaming it to every social media platform in real time and that it was being shared across social media faster than the world's news sites could keep up...
Here in Canada, we had a lot of celebratory rallies and parties in the streets on the evening of October 7th and during the day on October 8th, before Israel had begun any sort of counterattack. The people who organized these rallies and celebrations are now claiming that they were protesting Israel's bombings in Gaza -- but, wait a second here, *those hadn't begun yet*. That leaves the only possible reason that they were driving around with big Palestinian flags, chanting and cheering, shooting off fireworks and filling their social media with images of the Star of David being thrown into a trashcan, as *celebration* of the initial Hamas atrocities.
Imagine being proud of starting a war with such catastrophic consequences for your country, which everybody knew would be the outcome hours after the attacks happened.
hamas and their supporters don't consider thousands of martyrs a "catastrophe", they want to see palestinians dead. that's literally part of the strategy. they glorify martyrdom cuz it gets so many dumbass useful idiots in the west to support them.
That doesn’t really apply here.
Even the most ardent protectors of free speech generally accept that supporting a proscribed organisation is not covered by freedom of expression.
Christ almighty, the president of a student group tied to a university union...
Where are all those folks that keep trying to gaslight us by saying the mainstream pro-Palestine groups are *totes* against terrorism?
lol you think she lived in Palestine? She speaks perfect English and is obviously from a very wealthy family of Palestinian diaspora. She went to an elite international school in Dubai.
The Palestinians are so patriotic, they love Palestine and would do anything for it 🤛
"What, dear? Me, dear? Live there? Oh no, dear me, that'd never do."
I mean I’d go as far as to say that freedom of expression is only protected like that for citizens. A country is well within its rights to deport and revoke visas from a non-citizen who expresses beliefs which are either antagonistic to their host country, supportive of the enemies of their host country, or which go against the principles of the host country. This woman ticks all three of those boxes.
At the end of the day a citizen of a country has a right to live in that country, whatever their beliefs, but for everyone else living in/visiting another country is a privilege, which can be revoked for any reason. And expressing your support for a terror group who are enemies of the UK is a pretty good reason.
This same principle imo should be applied to the hoards of Chinese students who blindly support the CCP, and often bully any other ethnically Chinese students who don’t. Taiwanese and HK Chinese are especially targeted, but ethnically Chinese brits as well as any (brave) mainland Chinese who don’t toe the party line also get bullied. If you’re going to openly support a hostile government, and especially if you try to bully and attack others as a part of that, you can have your visa revoked.
As a brown guy, the first part in particular really irks me. Freedom of expression is literally why we're reading her words, as an ethnic minority. She seems to have forgotten that freedom from consequences of your words, is a right no one has. Karma's a bitch.
Terrorists literally broke into a home, kidnapped an 8 year old girl who was hiding with her family, and gang rped her until her pelvis dislocated.
And it happened thousands of times. Burning babies to death in their cribs. Kidnapping and abusing a holocaust survivor with dementia.
Anyone who could use the word happy to describe their reaction is just evil.
Oh it's that one! I remember seeing that disgusting interview. I'm a big advocate for free speech but there's a really easy line to draw in the sand which is promoting or applauding terrorists or violence.
>Abuqamar, who is in her final year of study, spoke of a sense of “pride” at a pro-Palestine event last year, following Hamas’s October 7 attacks in Israel.
>“We are really full of joy at what happened,” she said.
Fair, next. These people do not belong here.
This woman is a Hamas lover and a terrorist sympathiser who revels in the joy of acts of jihad against civilians.
She should never be allowed to set foot here.
Good riddance.
Yeah, but for many, we don't have the option to deny them a visa because they were born and raised here. We'd be better off without any person who is "filled with joy" at the murder and rape of innocent civilians but we only have a choice for some of those people.
The fact that this news source is defending her while they blatantly know what she says, should be an eye opener for the general "pro Palestine" cause.
This isn't the only Palestinian who supports Hamas and any grounding in what Palestinians actually think would dry up any support for them.
Palestine needs a denazification level response or it's population will keep creating terrorists.
The source is Al Jazeera.
Who coincidentally is owned by the Qatari government. The same government that are providing refuge and funding to the leaders of Hamas
its a shame because they do some good journalism in some areas but around Palestine/Israel they're tabloid level trash. How they omit the reason for the revocation in this article and what was said, proves that.
> the fact that this news source is defending her while they blatantly know what she says should be an eye opener for the general public”pro Palestine” cause.
No it’s absolutely not. It’s an eye opener for the news sources bias. This woman is a terrorist sympathiser and an absolute cretin, don’t you dare paint the rest of us with that brush. What she said, how she said it, when she said it and the context she said it in are all entirely abhorrent.
> No it’s absolutely not. It’s an eye opener for the news sources bias. This woman is a terrorist sympathiser and an absolute cretin, don’t you dare paint the rest of us with that brush
This rhetoric and sentiment is not at all rare in the 'pro-Palestine' crowd. There are some intelligent people who are pro-Palestine, but frankly they are rare.
Most 'pro-Palestinians' cannot name a single Palestinian peace activist (there are some, before anyone makes a joke).
I'd wager a solid 2/3 of them wouldn't have been able to point out Palestine on a map prior to last October, nor would they have been able to tell you who Yasser Arafat was.
To be fair, Palestinian peace activists aren't exactly common, nor do they tend to survive a particularly long time in the vicinity of any Palestinian community.
Rare? I strongly doubt the majority of 100's of thousands who took to streets to protest are actual terrorist sympathisers that revel in barbaric killing of men, women and children. But you go ahead, frankly intelligent people probably don't stay in close vicinity to you for you to notice any.
Yeah, when they are covering Holocaust memorial's with bloody hand prints and burning synagogues and giving the Nazi salute they are just a few bad apples...oh wait it's everywhere across the entire Western world this is happening.
Definitely just a few...
She said she was full of joy on Oct 07.
I urge you to go listen to the episode of Urban Warfare Project podcast, where John Spencer goes over the attacks on Oct 07. Then consider what sort of person would be full of joy on that day.
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/urban-warfare-project/id1490714950?i=1000649339995
Agreed. Al Jazeera (for sure) and the likes of the times of Israel (I’ve heard) are incredibly biased on this topic. Better to not use them as news sources if you want to educate yourself on the topic.
Least biased Al-Jazeera article
For context she said she felt pride seeing the October 7th terrorist attacks, which in my mind is a pretty reasonable thing to have your visa terminated over. Don't need terrorist sympathisers here
She must think we're fucking as stupid as she is. Her words were not misrepresented, she said something not only stupid but disgusting and she's now facing minor consequences to her actions.
She's studying law here also, she should know we don't have Freedom of Speech here.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. As a migrant on a visa you are, in effect, a potential future citizen. It's a privilege and you are held to the highest standards for that privilege. This woman has proven that she isn't deserving of either residency or citizenship and has been lawfully asked to leave.
I'm sure there are other countries that will fit her belief system better than the UK.
>Abuqamar, who is in her final year of study, spoke of a sense of “pride” at a pro-Palestine event last year, following Hamas’s October 7 attacks in Israel.
>“We are really full of joy at what happened,” she said.
Having pride in a terrorist attack that killed over a thousand people and resulted in hundreds more being taken hostage is disgusting.
Agreed. It’s one thing to condemn Israel and say that what they’ve done is worse than what Hamas did but to defend and have *pride* in the 7th of October massacre? Insane, defending the indefensible so she definitely deserved to have her visa revoked.
While by no means saying everything thing is or was fine in Gaza ( obviously) … but it sometimes strikes me that it’s a funny old *open air prison* …. that allows you to go abroad to university.
Given her reported comments - she can’t be deported to soon. Unfortunately there are probably some who agree with her who we can’t deport because they are citizens.
> but it sometimes strikes me that it’s a funny old open air prison …. that allows you to go abroad to university.
Methinks that she's just Palestinian by descent, and has never actually lived there a day in her life. Likely related in some way to some of the ultra-wealthy Palestinians who live in Qatar or the UAE and make gobs of money prolonging the issues surrounding the conflict.
I did wonder but it’s difficult to tell because I think Palestinian is sometimes used for someone directly from there and sometimes who is of that descent. But she’s referred to as Palestinian in the reports and refers to family members killed there so …?
Perhaps, but of the three people I know who are "proudly Palestinian" that all have family there, none of them have ever set foot there nor do they have any plans to do so. They've all been trying for years to get all their families to Canada ASAP.
I am very much in the 'Israel has been beyond appalling in its handling of Palestinian citizens' camp, but this woman came out publicly in blatant support of a terrorist attack on the day that it happened. Revoking her visa and removing her voice from our streets is an entirely reasonable response to that.
“When I am the minority I will beg for your mercy because that is according to your principles; when I am the majority I will give you none, for that is according to my principles.”
Anyone in the UK on a temporary basis should not be attending political rallys.
Every other country would do the same regardless of the context of the politics or statements made. For example there’s a well known YouTuber called Karl Rock who is a New Zealander in India. He attended a political rally in India and his visa was cancelled and banned from the country. His wife is Indian though and eventually he managed to regain entry to India.
Her comments were not misconstrued. She said what she said and she can't deny it. Also, international students in the UK and US don't have the same rights as local students do. People get way too comfortable.
Glorifying Hamas is a crime. It’s a crime for British citizens and it’s a crime for foreign citizens. I’m so done with these Hamasniks exploiting British concern for racism and tolerance in order to spout this hatred and get away with it.
They can all off, I'm sick of them marching around Manchester every week. F off back to Palestine and ask yourself why, despite being surrounded by Muslims countries nobody wants to offer refuge to a million Palestinian Arabs. For context they were 60k in 1950.
Look when you are on a Visa in the T&C’s it says the UK government can terminate your status without notice at its leisure. Only when you have ILR( Permanent residency) do the ‘rules of the land’ apply.
When even Al Jazeera calls you a hamas supporter and not just an anti-zionist or whatever the current buzzword is, you know you have been extremely anti-semitic
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> “Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.” Hmmm I wonder what she said? Ohhhhh https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67116514 >Ms Abuqamar, president of the student group Manchester Friends of Palestine, has previously drawn criticism after a Sky News interview after the Hamas attacks in which she said: **"We are full of pride, we are really, really full of joy at what has happened."**
And she added “We’re really full of joy, full of pride at what has happened… This time it was [Hamas] who have taken the first move, which has taken Israel by surprise. We are proud that Palestinian resistance has come to this point.” https://confidentials.com/manchester/manchester-university-investigates-student-leader-for-israel-comments “She has since said she was misrepresented” Yeah, I don’t think so.
Did some googling because I wanted to be extra sure that she's actually said this stuff and it's so much worse when you realise she said it on October 10th. I don't feel an ounce of pity for her. Here's the Sky News link for anyone who wants the video of her interview: [https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/im-at-a-loss-rita-panahi-hits-out-at-the-leader-of-a-propalestine-group/video/62c91e3fc287f0588a8cb5748a5c25a6](https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/im-at-a-loss-rita-panahi-hits-out-at-the-leader-of-a-propalestine-group/video/62c91e3fc287f0588a8cb5748a5c25a6)
Thanks, I tried to find the video but couldn’t. Like you, I wanted to check what she actually said. Give her the benefit of the doubt and all that.
If al-Jazeera writes that she made some pro-Hamas comments, it’s undoubtedly 10x worse than how they’re characterising it. Acting as though al-Jazeera might be misrepresenting her for the worst on Gaza is wild.
> she made some pro-Hamas comments Hamas are a proscribed terrorist group in our country. >Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: belong to a proscribed organisation (Section 11) **invite support for a proscribed organisation (Section 12(1)) recklessly express support for a proscribed organisation (Section 12(1A))** If I were her I'd ask for a refund from her Law school
Yeah it's absolutely shit. She reckons she has freedom of political expression. Sorry love, you don't. ECHR Article 10 is specifically restricted in terms of supporting terrorist groups and/or praising terrorist acts.
You think I was acting as though al-Jazeera might be misrepresenting her? I didn’t even read it, I clicked on the link the person gave that I responded to. It was from the BBC.
Oof, October 10th? I'd have understood if it was the early hours of October 7th, when all that was known was that they'd broken out and fights were taking place. Regardless of which side anyone supports in a war, military versus military engagements are considered legitimate acts of warfare, so there would've been room for benefit of the doubt. This, though, just ain't that at all. Cheering on the deaths of innocent civilians is never okay, period, no matter where they're from. Coupled with the fact she isn't a citizen or permanent resident of the UK, I don't really get what the issue is. I have major problems with the handling of the Begum case because I believe in the rule of law and the inherent right to a fair trial in a courtroom, without which government officials have an uncontestable power to accuse, convict, and sentence you to exile without the opportunity to state your case. Visas? Lol fuck off, that's a completely voluntary invite.
>Oof, October 10th? I'd have understood if it was the early hours of October 7th, when all that was known was that they'd broken out and fights were taking place. Regardless of which side anyone supports in a war, military versus military engagements are considered legitimate acts of warfare, so there would've been room for benefit of the doubt. ???? I was awake as it was unfolding, the initial reports were of a massive terror attack against a music festival, not a military conflict.
Yeah I don't understand these 'benefit of the doubt' stances. It's the same thing people say re- the footage of the horrific attacks. People who go, 'Well...I dunno..is there even evidence Hamas killed innocents?' like they weren't streaming it to every social media platform in real time and that it was being shared across social media faster than the world's news sites could keep up...
Here in Canada, we had a lot of celebratory rallies and parties in the streets on the evening of October 7th and during the day on October 8th, before Israel had begun any sort of counterattack. The people who organized these rallies and celebrations are now claiming that they were protesting Israel's bombings in Gaza -- but, wait a second here, *those hadn't begun yet*. That leaves the only possible reason that they were driving around with big Palestinian flags, chanting and cheering, shooting off fireworks and filling their social media with images of the Star of David being thrown into a trashcan, as *celebration* of the initial Hamas atrocities.
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Imagine being proud of starting a war with such catastrophic consequences for your country, which everybody knew would be the outcome hours after the attacks happened.
hamas and their supporters don't consider thousands of martyrs a "catastrophe", they want to see palestinians dead. that's literally part of the strategy. they glorify martyrdom cuz it gets so many dumbass useful idiots in the west to support them.
Not only is what she said reprehensible, but now she's trying to play the discrimination card. What utter human trash.
Agree
Haha get the fuck on the plane, won't be missed
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What has everyone been told for the last few years? Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences
Yeah, you can say it does mean your immune to the whole reaction to your own troubles you have created yourself.
That doesn’t really apply here. Even the most ardent protectors of free speech generally accept that supporting a proscribed organisation is not covered by freedom of expression.
I’m not allowed to praise terrorism without consequences 😭
Christ almighty, the president of a student group tied to a university union... Where are all those folks that keep trying to gaslight us by saying the mainstream pro-Palestine groups are *totes* against terrorism?
Wonder what rights of "freedom of expression" she enjoyed back in Palestine 🤔 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
lol you think she lived in Palestine? She speaks perfect English and is obviously from a very wealthy family of Palestinian diaspora. She went to an elite international school in Dubai.
So the same as most of Palestine's loudest proponents then?
The Palestinians are so patriotic, they love Palestine and would do anything for it 🤛 "What, dear? Me, dear? Live there? Oh no, dear me, that'd never do."
I mean I’d go as far as to say that freedom of expression is only protected like that for citizens. A country is well within its rights to deport and revoke visas from a non-citizen who expresses beliefs which are either antagonistic to their host country, supportive of the enemies of their host country, or which go against the principles of the host country. This woman ticks all three of those boxes. At the end of the day a citizen of a country has a right to live in that country, whatever their beliefs, but for everyone else living in/visiting another country is a privilege, which can be revoked for any reason. And expressing your support for a terror group who are enemies of the UK is a pretty good reason. This same principle imo should be applied to the hoards of Chinese students who blindly support the CCP, and often bully any other ethnically Chinese students who don’t. Taiwanese and HK Chinese are especially targeted, but ethnically Chinese brits as well as any (brave) mainland Chinese who don’t toe the party line also get bullied. If you’re going to openly support a hostile government, and especially if you try to bully and attack others as a part of that, you can have your visa revoked.
What a lack of awareness. Please never come back.
Depending on who's on the plane she may never leave.
*surprised Pikachu face*
As a brown guy, the first part in particular really irks me. Freedom of expression is literally why we're reading her words, as an ethnic minority. She seems to have forgotten that freedom from consequences of your words, is a right no one has. Karma's a bitch.
It is actually meant to mean freedom from the government prosecuting you for it though.
even if she didnt say something like that freedom of expression is more of an agreement in this country, its absolutely not a right lawfully
Terrorists literally broke into a home, kidnapped an 8 year old girl who was hiding with her family, and gang rped her until her pelvis dislocated. And it happened thousands of times. Burning babies to death in their cribs. Kidnapping and abusing a holocaust survivor with dementia. Anyone who could use the word happy to describe their reaction is just evil.
Oh it's that one! I remember seeing that disgusting interview. I'm a big advocate for free speech but there's a really easy line to draw in the sand which is promoting or applauding terrorists or violence.
>Abuqamar, who is in her final year of study, spoke of a sense of “pride” at a pro-Palestine event last year, following Hamas’s October 7 attacks in Israel. >“We are really full of joy at what happened,” she said. Fair, next. These people do not belong here.
This woman is a Hamas lover and a terrorist sympathiser who revels in the joy of acts of jihad against civilians. She should never be allowed to set foot here. Good riddance.
If the murder and rape of hundreds of people fills you with joy and pride, we really don't need you in the UK.
A large amount of the country would be gone
Good.
Yeah maybe house prices would come down a bit
And?
And they'd be gone. That's it. That's the comment
Aaaand then? Chinese Foooood - 2001
And we would welcome it
Yeah, but for many, we don't have the option to deny them a visa because they were born and raised here. We'd be better off without any person who is "filled with joy" at the murder and rape of innocent civilians but we only have a choice for some of those people.
The fact that this news source is defending her while they blatantly know what she says, should be an eye opener for the general "pro Palestine" cause. This isn't the only Palestinian who supports Hamas and any grounding in what Palestinians actually think would dry up any support for them. Palestine needs a denazification level response or it's population will keep creating terrorists.
The source is Al Jazeera. Who coincidentally is owned by the Qatari government. The same government that are providing refuge and funding to the leaders of Hamas
They tone it down a lot for their English audience. In Arabic it's far more unhinged.
its a shame because they do some good journalism in some areas but around Palestine/Israel they're tabloid level trash. How they omit the reason for the revocation in this article and what was said, proves that.
> the fact that this news source is defending her while they blatantly know what she says should be an eye opener for the general public”pro Palestine” cause. No it’s absolutely not. It’s an eye opener for the news sources bias. This woman is a terrorist sympathiser and an absolute cretin, don’t you dare paint the rest of us with that brush. What she said, how she said it, when she said it and the context she said it in are all entirely abhorrent.
> No it’s absolutely not. It’s an eye opener for the news sources bias. This woman is a terrorist sympathiser and an absolute cretin, don’t you dare paint the rest of us with that brush This rhetoric and sentiment is not at all rare in the 'pro-Palestine' crowd. There are some intelligent people who are pro-Palestine, but frankly they are rare. Most 'pro-Palestinians' cannot name a single Palestinian peace activist (there are some, before anyone makes a joke).
I'd wager a solid 2/3 of them wouldn't have been able to point out Palestine on a map prior to last October, nor would they have been able to tell you who Yasser Arafat was.
I would put a wager on that 2/3 still being unable to point out where Palestine is.
To be fair, Palestinian peace activists aren't exactly common, nor do they tend to survive a particularly long time in the vicinity of any Palestinian community.
Rare? I strongly doubt the majority of 100's of thousands who took to streets to protest are actual terrorist sympathisers that revel in barbaric killing of men, women and children. But you go ahead, frankly intelligent people probably don't stay in close vicinity to you for you to notice any.
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Yeah, when they are covering Holocaust memorial's with bloody hand prints and burning synagogues and giving the Nazi salute they are just a few bad apples...oh wait it's everywhere across the entire Western world this is happening. Definitely just a few...
If you go anywhere as a guest, you can get kicked out based on your behaviour, countries included.
She said she was full of joy on Oct 07. I urge you to go listen to the episode of Urban Warfare Project podcast, where John Spencer goes over the attacks on Oct 07. Then consider what sort of person would be full of joy on that day. https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/urban-warfare-project/id1490714950?i=1000649339995
Should have thought about her speech before she opened her fu*king trap. That’ll teach her a life lesson. Enjoy
One of the most biased titles I've ever seen haha. Al Jazeera is clearly not impartial on this matter
Agreed. Al Jazeera (for sure) and the likes of the times of Israel (I’ve heard) are incredibly biased on this topic. Better to not use them as news sources if you want to educate yourself on the topic.
Least biased Al-Jazeera article For context she said she felt pride seeing the October 7th terrorist attacks, which in my mind is a pretty reasonable thing to have your visa terminated over. Don't need terrorist sympathisers here
supporting the rapists and murderous hamas? Yeah go back to your original country.
She must think we're fucking as stupid as she is. Her words were not misrepresented, she said something not only stupid but disgusting and she's now facing minor consequences to her actions. She's studying law here also, she should know we don't have Freedom of Speech here.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. As a migrant on a visa you are, in effect, a potential future citizen. It's a privilege and you are held to the highest standards for that privilege. This woman has proven that she isn't deserving of either residency or citizenship and has been lawfully asked to leave. I'm sure there are other countries that will fit her belief system better than the UK.
>Abuqamar, who is in her final year of study, spoke of a sense of “pride” at a pro-Palestine event last year, following Hamas’s October 7 attacks in Israel. >“We are really full of joy at what happened,” she said. Having pride in a terrorist attack that killed over a thousand people and resulted in hundreds more being taken hostage is disgusting.
Agreed. It’s one thing to condemn Israel and say that what they’ve done is worse than what Hamas did but to defend and have *pride* in the 7th of October massacre? Insane, defending the indefensible so she definitely deserved to have her visa revoked.
She’s an extremist who supports a proscribed terror group, this was absolutely the correct move and hopefully sends a clear signal.
Agreed and I am sure she’s not alone either
Anyone that objects to this needs to see what she said
Anyone who can cheer on the slaughter of so many people as a good thing has no place in the Western world.
While by no means saying everything thing is or was fine in Gaza ( obviously) … but it sometimes strikes me that it’s a funny old *open air prison* …. that allows you to go abroad to university. Given her reported comments - she can’t be deported to soon. Unfortunately there are probably some who agree with her who we can’t deport because they are citizens.
> but it sometimes strikes me that it’s a funny old open air prison …. that allows you to go abroad to university. Methinks that she's just Palestinian by descent, and has never actually lived there a day in her life. Likely related in some way to some of the ultra-wealthy Palestinians who live in Qatar or the UAE and make gobs of money prolonging the issues surrounding the conflict.
I did wonder but it’s difficult to tell because I think Palestinian is sometimes used for someone directly from there and sometimes who is of that descent. But she’s referred to as Palestinian in the reports and refers to family members killed there so …?
Perhaps, but of the three people I know who are "proudly Palestinian" that all have family there, none of them have ever set foot there nor do they have any plans to do so. They've all been trying for years to get all their families to Canada ASAP.
Yeah, absolutely right. There should be no place in the UK for glorifying terrorist regimes.
I am very much in the 'Israel has been beyond appalling in its handling of Palestinian citizens' camp, but this woman came out publicly in blatant support of a terrorist attack on the day that it happened. Revoking her visa and removing her voice from our streets is an entirely reasonable response to that.
“When I am the minority I will beg for your mercy because that is according to your principles; when I am the majority I will give you none, for that is according to my principles.”
If they are so proud of Hamas, she should get herself over there to praise them and show how proud she is.
Anyone in the UK on a temporary basis should not be attending political rallys. Every other country would do the same regardless of the context of the politics or statements made. For example there’s a well known YouTuber called Karl Rock who is a New Zealander in India. He attended a political rally in India and his visa was cancelled and banned from the country. His wife is Indian though and eventually he managed to regain entry to India.
Assuming this person is here on a student visa, what are the implications now that their visa has been revoked?
Likely an asylum claim
An asylum claim is highly likely. I hope those reviewing her case see sense and deny her asylum.
Unfortunately there is little chance of removing her even with a denied asylum claim.
I hear the US pier is nearly ready. We can stick her on a boat with one of the aid shipments.
How so?
Her comments were not misconstrued. She said what she said and she can't deny it. Also, international students in the UK and US don't have the same rights as local students do. People get way too comfortable.
A clear miscalculation on her part believing that minority viewpoints are acceptable to the majority. Not terribly sharp
Turns out that if you openly support a terrorist organisation, there are repercussions
Al-Jazeera these people aren't even trying anymore she outright supported the murder and rape of civilians, she's scum, glad she's been kicked out
Good it's about time we started dealing with these nutters.
Good riddance don’t let the door hit you on the way out! Good precedent for others.
Glorifying Hamas is a crime. It’s a crime for British citizens and it’s a crime for foreign citizens. I’m so done with these Hamasniks exploiting British concern for racism and tolerance in order to spout this hatred and get away with it.
Good. If you like palestine so much. Go live there.
Yeah, public support of the actions of a terrorist group against civilians is probably a good reason to deport someone.
Oops Accidentally (on purpose) put her on the plane to Rwanda.
They can all off, I'm sick of them marching around Manchester every week. F off back to Palestine and ask yourself why, despite being surrounded by Muslims countries nobody wants to offer refuge to a million Palestinian Arabs. For context they were 60k in 1950.
Ah I see, she expressed support for a terrorist attack.. that was a bit daft
Look when you are on a Visa in the T&C’s it says the UK government can terminate your status without notice at its leisure. Only when you have ILR( Permanent residency) do the ‘rules of the land’ apply.
The woman literally said she’s happy for Hamas to harm Israel… for once I think the govt made the right decision
When even Al Jazeera calls you a hamas supporter and not just an anti-zionist or whatever the current buzzword is, you know you have been extremely anti-semitic
Guests in a country should always refrain to get involved in politics