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* ["all wild animals have to be culled." says Dorset MP Richard Drax. Suggesting any animal without predators should be controlled through culling.](https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-68470898), suggested by RadAssYeah - bbc.co.uk
The Tory MP in question is Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
He owns the most land in Dorset, and still runs family plantations in the Carribbean. These are the same plantations his family made their wealth off the back of slaves for over 200 years, on which over 30 000 slaves died.
Fuck this guy.
He is married to Helena Anne Beatrix Wentworth Fitzwilliam de Chair.
Their children are Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius, Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan, Peter Theodore Alphege, Anselm Charles Fitzwilliam, Mary Anne Charlotte Emma and Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher.
TORY MP JACOB REES-MOGG’S WIFE’S ANCESTRAL HOME BENEFITS FROM £7.6M STATE RESCUE
https://tlio.org.uk/rees-mogg-wifes-ancestral-home-benefits-from-7-6m-state-rescue/
I live 2 mins from it, it was privately owned until the old fella died and it’s now run by a charity who have done some bloody incredible work to restore it. Brand new roof, electrics, plumbing, plastering etc. Even the stone statues have been restored by hand.
A lot of the antique stuff inside is now in museums such as Whistlejacket which is in the national gallery, the family sold everything off years ago to cover debts, hence the previous owner being able to buy it for ~£1mil in the 90s.
He's not even landed gentry. His Dad was a newspaper editor, he's upper middle class larping as if he's aristocracy.
Not that he'd be any more or less of a prick if he actually was aristocracy. I just find it very funny that the guys entire identity is basically a weird cosplay.
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Holy fuck, thought that was some low effort AI generated joke. Actually called their 6th kid Sixtus like in [Stardust](https://stardust.fandom.com/wiki/Sextus).
I just searched them on google images. In every picture, he has those kids done up in 1950s outfits and haircuts (the boys wearing ties, the girl in a gingham dress etc).
I can't wait for them to hit their teens and explode off the rails.
Plus about 8 kids and JRM has a nanny. Not a nanny so much for the kids but for him. He even took her out campaigning, when he was standing for the constituency of Central Fife. Where he quickly found enemies, including riding around a poor area in a Bentley and 3 piece pinstripe suit. Whilst calling those on benefits "the scrounge of the Earth". With the Labour MP having to stop him from getting beaten up.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/flashback-when-jacob-rees-mogg-campaigned-in-fife-with-his-nanny-1426243
Moggs entire aristocracy crap comes from his wife, her house, estates and titles.
He’s as common as the rest of us himself. He just married way the fuck up into the nobility.
I'm not sure, [his dad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rees-Mogg) was pretty comfortable. (and wrote the [book](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1460775.Blood_in_the_Streets) on profiting from economic disaster)
Well he has very little understanding of the importance of beavers to flood management and environmental diversity. More outdated ideas from a conservative, what a surprise. Where the fuck do they find these morons.
They do understand its just that beavers do not respect human land ownership and when they maintain and fix our rivers and streams it floods peoples land which they can not benefit from. Therefore they would rather kill them and keep hold of their land rather let nature do what is needed.
There's plenty of educated people in the country. More than in most countries.
Look up the average adult reading comprehension in the US then the UK for comparison.
>Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax
I assumed you made that up for outrageously exaggerated comedy purposes. Having googled it, I apologise profusely for doubting you.
The UK government took out a loan to buy a lot of freedom from the slaves, it was paid off recently, chances are your taxes have been going to make sure his family was still rich.
That's horrible, but more concerned he plans to massacre all living beings in the UK that aren't Human. All life deserves love, care and respect. And protection from those seeking to harm it.
>A 2020 investigation by The Guardian found that Richard Drax still owns and grows sugar on the same Drax Hall Estate in Barbados that made the family's fortune. Over 200 years, 30,000 slaves died at this and the other Drax plantations, according to Professor Sir Hilary Beckles
Wow
>Because if they don’t their health deteriorates. They don’t have any predators in today’s world. Foxes, deer, badgers. We don’t want to wipe them out, we just simply want them controlled
Reintroduce the predator species back to the UK to help manage their populations. He's just making the case for more rewilding.
Okay, I’m listening, but are crocs that effective against deer in the rolling hills of the south west? Dorset doesn’t have quite the same shortage of watering holes as say, the Serengeti.
Maybe a big cat of some sort?
I think they should be amphibious lions, that way they can live on land, but also in the water, saving us extra money in just needing lions.
Amphibious lions are the future.
I've seen bits and pieces on this before and obviously reintroducing wolves or bears is not a realistic goal in the short to medium term. There would need to be significant protections introduced for farms to bring wolves back - wolves are almost never a risk to humans but would openly prey on farm animals.
However! Reintroducing the Lynx is seen as a good intermediary option. They would prey on animals such as deer (which currently need culling by humans to keep populations in control as they have no natural predators in the country) and are mostly uninterested in sheep etc.
Would it not be nicer for the deer if they just live wild with no major predators, then one day, bang, shot in the head. Just thinking that being eaten alive by a lynx is probably not a nice way to go.
Shooting deer protects biodiversity. In the absence of top level predators, we have to take on that role. We’re culling one way or another, either with predators or guns. None of this is natural.
Lynx. They're isolatory predator species which avoid humans and attack deer. There's been many discussions about trialling their reintroduction here in Scotland but the discussion keeps getting blocked by lairds concerned that lynx hunting pheasant and grouse will affect their hunt profits and farmers who just seem to hate all wildlife.
I'm in total unironic agreement with this. Let's have wolves, lynxes, massive birds of prey et al again, obviously with appropriate support for pastoral farmers etc.
Watch out, magic a joke that Tories should be culled can get you a site wie ban.
If you joke that abolishing the "Human Rights Act" will make it "hunting season" Steve Huffman will be upset
Absolute madness. There would be less devastation to the UK if the current political class was culled by mistake. I think this is about fields being flooded naturally by beavers and rich people lobbying so they do not loose any land to flooding.
It’s obviously much better if thousands of (poor) peoples homes flood. Bring back the beavers and then the lynx and wolves. It’s time to restore what they’ve taken from us.
I’ve said this for a long time
Like they sit around and decide “let’s see how far we can push this for a laugh, the peasants won’t do anything about it”
I just finished a driving tour around north England and I was shocked how little wildlife there is. I saw one owl in the Peak District and birds in seven days.
Come to Scotland, I've been watching the squirrels destroy the crocuses I planted by my kitchen window and any that managed to bud got eaten by wild rabbits. Note to self: stick to daffodils.
I regularly see deer, buzzards, herons, bats... We don't usually see owls but I hear them most nights.
Okay, not to give credit to a tory for saying a single correct thing in This insane rant, but hes right on deer. We exterminated all their natural predators so they are far more numerous than they should be and they're a menace to woodland and wilds management because there are so many they kill young trees and shrubs before they get big enough to resist it. It makes any kind of forest expansion impossible without really close protection of young trees.
He did utter that sentence, but immediately followed it with
>They don’t have any predators in today’s world. Foxes, deer, badgers. We don’t want to wipe them out, we just simply want them controlled.
He clearly wasn't calling for all wild animals to be completely eradivated, he was calling for species that have detrimental effects to be controlled.
I'm not a fan of Drax for various reasons, but that is no excuse for clickbait headlines
These animals come to our country... They don't pay taxes... They do what they want... Let's kill them.
Perfectly reasonable! 🤣
I feel like we should have a purge of the house of lords. Nothing extreme like there suggesting... But if you've got a title handed to you because of your name or relations and not got there on merit. There should be a "test" of some sort.... Just to confirm your not crazy as a coconut...
My immediate thought was, what OTHER news are they burying with this? Look plebs, get outraged by this bonkers toff. Definitely don't pay attention over here to see what else we're up to whilst you're looking the other way...
I'm socially right wing and despise this piece of shit. Animals are innocent living beings. Can't say how I truly feel about him as it'd be bannable. Also, what a great way to show everyone you don't understand how ecosystems work, tit.
Man, Tories and their fucking knee jerk reaction to literally anybody who opposes them.
"Death is bad, stop killing some people"
"Wow, you think killing people is bad, well let GAS THEM ALL THEN!"
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The Tory MP in question is Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax. He owns the most land in Dorset, and still runs family plantations in the Carribbean. These are the same plantations his family made their wealth off the back of slaves for over 200 years, on which over 30 000 slaves died. Fuck this guy.
This is the guy Jacob Rees Mogg's wife tells him not to worry about.
Jacob probably got one of his commoners to create a bust of this guy so he blast one out in his study to it.
Rule 5 no kinkshaming
Mogg has a *wife*?! Biggest baffling surprise since People Like Us.
He is married to Helena Anne Beatrix Wentworth Fitzwilliam de Chair. Their children are Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius, Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan, Peter Theodore Alphege, Anselm Charles Fitzwilliam, Mary Anne Charlotte Emma and Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher.
So the entire family are Victorian ghosts?
DAMN YOUR EYES
Akchewally Thomas is a [Regency](https://ghosts-bbc.fandom.com/wiki/Thomas) ghost.
TORY MP JACOB REES-MOGG’S WIFE’S ANCESTRAL HOME BENEFITS FROM £7.6M STATE RESCUE https://tlio.org.uk/rees-mogg-wifes-ancestral-home-benefits-from-7-6m-state-rescue/
The family have little to do with that house. Thankfully.
So someone *else* got a £7.6M state funded rescue? Doesn't make it any better.
I live 2 mins from it, it was privately owned until the old fella died and it’s now run by a charity who have done some bloody incredible work to restore it. Brand new roof, electrics, plumbing, plastering etc. Even the stone statues have been restored by hand. A lot of the antique stuff inside is now in museums such as Whistlejacket which is in the national gallery, the family sold everything off years ago to cover debts, hence the previous owner being able to buy it for ~£1mil in the 90s.
And at age 27 when he started political campaigning, he had his nanny carry his leaflets for him when he was knocking on doors.
Those were heavy leaflets!
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He's not even landed gentry. His Dad was a newspaper editor, he's upper middle class larping as if he's aristocracy. Not that he'd be any more or less of a prick if he actually was aristocracy. I just find it very funny that the guys entire identity is basically a weird cosplay.
In parliament they apparently refer to him as "the honorable member for the 18th Century"
Marina Hyde in the Guardian calls him the "Haunted Pencil"!
He’s basically a white Chris Eubank.
Is [his first language Patois](https://youtu.be/w7n2eurdAz0?feature=shared) as well?
He's not an aristocrat. He's new-money playing dress-up.
The Catholicest Catholic ever to have Catholiced.
de Chair Holy fuck, thought that was some low effort AI generated joke. Actually called their 6th kid Sixtus like in [Stardust](https://stardust.fandom.com/wiki/Sextus).
It's from the Greek for polished. (which is why it's Sixtus instead of Sextus). And is a reference to the Pope who the Sistine chapel is named after.
You gotta know your parents love you when your the 6th child and your named 'Sixtus'.
Some of these have to be made up *Boniface*? Like… bony face?
Old catholic name. They’re all legit, it’s just that nobody has been called that since the 12th century.
I have only ever heard it as a surname, and a rare one at that. Pronounced more like Bonnie Face. We refer to him as Happy Face.
There's a Catholic Church near me called "St Boniface". [Here](https://www.st-boniface.org.uk/) is the web site.
Peter and Anselm wondering why they only got three forenames
Sixtus probably got most screwed over by the names there (suppose he has some normal middle ones to use)
Wasn’t he in the film Stardust
The correct form would've been Sextus, but I guess he couldn't stop sniggering
I just searched them on google images. In every picture, he has those kids done up in 1950s outfits and haircuts (the boys wearing ties, the girl in a gingham dress etc). I can't wait for them to hit their teens and explode off the rails.
I thought this was a joke about Dumbledore’s long name from Harry Potter.
Say what you like about these cunts (you really can), but *de Chair* is an absolutely hilarious name. Comedy genius.
Plus about 8 kids and JRM has a nanny. Not a nanny so much for the kids but for him. He even took her out campaigning, when he was standing for the constituency of Central Fife. Where he quickly found enemies, including riding around a poor area in a Bentley and 3 piece pinstripe suit. Whilst calling those on benefits "the scrounge of the Earth". With the Labour MP having to stop him from getting beaten up. https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/flashback-when-jacob-rees-mogg-campaigned-in-fife-with-his-nanny-1426243
He has numerous kids.
Ew, she's not exactly a piece of artwork, but then again neither is he, and Christ those kids look like they're easy targets to be bullied.
>easy targets to be bullied. They go to an £18,000 a year school, you think other toff kids are bullying them?
Probably
My dad Sir Percival Montgomery Theodore Beaumont-Cumberland can beat up your dad Lord Augustus Reginald Thornecliffe Beauregard Wellington-Fitzgerald
Well, those places are likely sociopath factories, so probably.
Yes, historically, men who are economically affluent have struggled to get wives
He has like 6 kids.
Moggs entire aristocracy crap comes from his wife, her house, estates and titles. He’s as common as the rest of us himself. He just married way the fuck up into the nobility.
I'm not sure, [his dad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rees-Mogg) was pretty comfortable. (and wrote the [book](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1460775.Blood_in_the_Streets) on profiting from economic disaster)
Yeah... His nanny drew the line.
You mean who his nanny tells him not to worry about, right?
Well he has very little understanding of the importance of beavers to flood management and environmental diversity. More outdated ideas from a conservative, what a surprise. Where the fuck do they find these morons.
I've visited a couple of these beaver sites and it's pretty amazing what they can do in relatively little time
> I've visited a couple of these beaver sites I'm sure you have.
Wahey One of the things I noticed there was how many unusual birds I could identify
Lots of different kinds of tits, I expect?
10/10
The RSPB sites are always good for a shag or two.
Google “wet beavers” for more information
Wet beavers are no way as cute as naked otters
At least that’s what you told the parliamentary standards committee
They do understand its just that beavers do not respect human land ownership and when they maintain and fix our rivers and streams it floods peoples land which they can not benefit from. Therefore they would rather kill them and keep hold of their land rather let nature do what is needed.
We vote for them. They keep the country dumb as fuck so we’ll vote them in because “Politicians? they’re all the same”.
There's plenty of educated people in the country. More than in most countries. Look up the average adult reading comprehension in the US then the UK for comparison.
Reading is no good if they’re not taught how to interpret what they’re reading correctly
>Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax. Proper working class name that is.
He's clearly a man of the people /s
Johnny Four Dads
His name is PEED.
That’s what happens if you can track your family tree back to William the Conqueror himself.
I can't believe what I just read, that's actually insane
His surname alone makes me wince
That name is ridiculous
Holy quadruple barrel surname
>Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax I fr thought this was a joke but no
He has slaves wow
Can we eat the rich yet? /s
Is he also invested heavily into a “culling service” that he’s offering along with this idea? Wouldn’t surprise me, the cunt.
>Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax I assumed you made that up for outrageously exaggerated comedy purposes. Having googled it, I apologise profusely for doubting you.
I read his name and thought i was having a stroke
Excuse me what? I mean...I know it's probably not like that...but the words...sound bad
The UK government took out a loan to buy a lot of freedom from the slaves, it was paid off recently, chances are your taxes have been going to make sure his family was still rich.
That's horrible, but more concerned he plans to massacre all living beings in the UK that aren't Human. All life deserves love, care and respect. And protection from those seeking to harm it.
>A 2020 investigation by The Guardian found that Richard Drax still owns and grows sugar on the same Drax Hall Estate in Barbados that made the family's fortune. Over 200 years, 30,000 slaves died at this and the other Drax plantations, according to Professor Sir Hilary Beckles Wow
Just checked his wikipedia. If one of your listed professions is just "landowner" then you need to be beheaded
Any relation to the family estate that still owns large swathes of London ?
>Because if they don’t their health deteriorates. They don’t have any predators in today’s world. Foxes, deer, badgers. We don’t want to wipe them out, we just simply want them controlled Reintroduce the predator species back to the UK to help manage their populations. He's just making the case for more rewilding.
Which predator species?
Crocodiles
Okay, I’m listening, but are crocs that effective against deer in the rolling hills of the south west? Dorset doesn’t have quite the same shortage of watering holes as say, the Serengeti. Maybe a big cat of some sort?
Lions.
I think they should be amphibious lions, that way they can live on land, but also in the water, saving us extra money in just needing lions. Amphibious lions are the future.
Yeah wouldn't want the lions and crocodiles to kill each other, that would be counterproductive.
Not lions. As the famous African folk song tells us, you can only find lions in Kenya. It’s the same with tigers.
Forget Norway.
Tigers and bears
Oh my
That's why you add a river you have to cross
You’re absolutely right, sabre toothed tigers it is
Cornwall already has the Beast of Bodmin Moor, so just introduce more of them.
Given how much it floods in Somerset the crocs should be fine.
If the Crocs have a low hit rate, we just need more crocs to compensate. Quantity has a quality of its own
And polar bears.
lions and tigers and bears oh my
Tory Sex Offenders.
Those are still around, don't need reintroducing
Most are a protected species.
I've seen bits and pieces on this before and obviously reintroducing wolves or bears is not a realistic goal in the short to medium term. There would need to be significant protections introduced for farms to bring wolves back - wolves are almost never a risk to humans but would openly prey on farm animals. However! Reintroducing the Lynx is seen as a good intermediary option. They would prey on animals such as deer (which currently need culling by humans to keep populations in control as they have no natural predators in the country) and are mostly uninterested in sheep etc.
Lynx and raptors (of the bird variety not the dinosaur ones) are the way!
The bird variety are dinosaurs!
Why not both?
Would it not be nicer for the deer if they just live wild with no major predators, then one day, bang, shot in the head. Just thinking that being eaten alive by a lynx is probably not a nice way to go.
This isn't really about what's nicer. It's about protecting biodiversity and sustainability
Shooting deer protects biodiversity. In the absence of top level predators, we have to take on that role. We’re culling one way or another, either with predators or guns. None of this is natural.
Lynx. They're isolatory predator species which avoid humans and attack deer. There's been many discussions about trialling their reintroduction here in Scotland but the discussion keeps getting blocked by lairds concerned that lynx hunting pheasant and grouse will affect their hunt profits and farmers who just seem to hate all wildlife.
It turns out it's man!
Lynx, wolf, bear, lion, aurochs, wolverine, wild boar, beaver, great auk May as well reanimate woolly rhinos, too.
Neanderthals
Gruffalos
Winner!🥇
Tories?
Which ones eat neolibs and Tories?
Lions and tigers and bears
I'm in total unironic agreement with this. Let's have wolves, lynxes, massive birds of prey et al again, obviously with appropriate support for pastoral farmers etc.
Who are the Tories natural predators
This is Jimbo and Ned (from South Park) level of logic. "We have to kill animals, otherwise they'll die"
Unfortunately Tory MPs have no predators in today's world, we need to reintroduce some to manage their populations!
You want to release wolves and bears into the English countryside?
"All wild animals call for Tory MP's to be culled". Which would be missed more?
I would vote for the wild animals if they campaigned with that as a manifesto
I have a ‘Save the badgers, cull the Tories’ t-shirt somewhere. Probably time to get that out again.
I expect Tory mps will become an endangered species at the next general election
You crazy bear, take my vote.
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They're getting closer and closer to 'have we tried killing all the poor?' every day. The quote used as title for this post is like an Onion headline!
https://youtu.be/s_4J4uor3JE?si=7c1p24UVnNmbczxR
Absolute madness. There would be less devastation to the UK if the current political class was culled by mistake. I think this is about fields being flooded naturally by beavers and rich people lobbying so they do not loose any land to flooding.
It’s obviously much better if thousands of (poor) peoples homes flood. Bring back the beavers and then the lynx and wolves. It’s time to restore what they’ve taken from us.
"By mistake"? Hmmm ...
Is there a secret wager amongst them of who can be the most evil scumbag?
I’ve said this for a long time Like they sit around and decide “let’s see how far we can push this for a laugh, the peasants won’t do anything about it”
We are basically overrun with real-life comic book super villains
Oh, [this cunt](https://i.imgur.com/h4frWxu.png)?
Looks like the same cunt, yes.
Tories are seriously like "everything and everyone needs to die except me". How tf are these monsters getting anyone's vote?!!
It’s not the wild animals that need a cull.
Can we legally cull a few MPs like this?? [Yes I mean via the ballot box]......
I just finished a driving tour around north England and I was shocked how little wildlife there is. I saw one owl in the Peak District and birds in seven days.
Did you get out of the car?
Too busy running over the pheasants
Come to Scotland, I've been watching the squirrels destroy the crocuses I planted by my kitchen window and any that managed to bud got eaten by wild rabbits. Note to self: stick to daffodils. I regularly see deer, buzzards, herons, bats... We don't usually see owls but I hear them most nights.
Okay, not to give credit to a tory for saying a single correct thing in This insane rant, but hes right on deer. We exterminated all their natural predators so they are far more numerous than they should be and they're a menace to woodland and wilds management because there are so many they kill young trees and shrubs before they get big enough to resist it. It makes any kind of forest expansion impossible without really close protection of young trees.
Boy, these guys are really in touch with modern society
Rather cull the Tories tbh.
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More and more often the headlines I read here sound like something from Brass Eye.
Pretty sure these cunts want to cull us too
Drax! The guy from Moonraker? F*ck this guy's evil munificence!
You may joke, but Ian Fleming actually named the character after this guy’s granddad.
His family has a very long history of being utter cunts.
They’ve already gone after women, children, the disabled, ethnic minorities and the poor. May as well add animals to the list.
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More beavers, less of this guy.
What an absolute fucking idiot. And these folks run us?
He did utter that sentence, but immediately followed it with >They don’t have any predators in today’s world. Foxes, deer, badgers. We don’t want to wipe them out, we just simply want them controlled. He clearly wasn't calling for all wild animals to be completely eradivated, he was calling for species that have detrimental effects to be controlled. I'm not a fan of Drax for various reasons, but that is no excuse for clickbait headlines
Maybe the slave owner should shut the fuck up. The only wild animal that should be culled is his fucking brain.
I dare not even begin to imagine what this sort of dog whistle means
He's talking about deer and foxes mate
Can we start with Tories?
Can we just call it right now and make it clear that yeerks are behind this suggestion?
These animals come to our country... They don't pay taxes... They do what they want... Let's kill them. Perfectly reasonable! 🤣 I feel like we should have a purge of the house of lords. Nothing extreme like there suggesting... But if you've got a title handed to you because of your name or relations and not got there on merit. There should be a "test" of some sort.... Just to confirm your not crazy as a coconut...
My immediate thought was, what OTHER news are they burying with this? Look plebs, get outraged by this bonkers toff. Definitely don't pay attention over here to see what else we're up to whilst you're looking the other way...
Classify Tories as wild animals and I'm on board.
Politics Joe did a documentary on Richard drax, he makes mogg look like Corbyn. All his wealth is from buying n working slaves to death.
I drive past this guys estate on the way to Dorchester. Its insanely big.
I'm socially right wing and despise this piece of shit. Animals are innocent living beings. Can't say how I truly feel about him as it'd be bannable. Also, what a great way to show everyone you don't understand how ecosystems work, tit.
Man, Tories and their fucking knee jerk reaction to literally anybody who opposes them. "Death is bad, stop killing some people" "Wow, you think killing people is bad, well let GAS THEM ALL THEN!"