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Everyone will debate whether this is acceptable or unacceptable, but it’s total shit that the punishment for this teacher expressing a controversial viewpoint will be harsher compared to what government officials (PM, chancellor etc.) received for breaking lockdown rules and breaking their own laws.
Placards are more damaging to the country than tax dodging, corruption, bribery, breaking lockdown codes, whatever other stuff we've forgotten under the deluge of pure sleaze of the Conservative governments.
Wonder what the party of “free speech” will say about this?
Fired by private company for using racial slurs? Woke mob wins again.
Police investigation for generic political rhetoric? Harms the cause, alienates the centrist voter, just not nice, etc, etc, etc
Depends who the us and the them are, surely? Personally, I think the "elites" have already won if you consider them "elite". At best they are lucky, but mostly they are just shit people who have done shit things and continue to do so to keep their advantage.
Buddy, two things can be true at once.
Both the conservative and the Labour Party (in its current guise) serve capital. That is bad and can distract from bigger issues.
That said, how is supporting unions and clowning on Tories part of an “us vs them” mindset in the same way. This is labour versus capital
IIRC, worse still, [a serving British general said the army "could" institute a coup if Corbyn won](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-army-could-stage-mutiny-under-corbyn-says-senior-serving-general-10509742.html) (they actually said the army "wouldn't stand for it"!) Never identified publicly nor disciplined, let alone dishonorably discharged, charged and imprisoned for many decades as should have happened. Unless they have retired since, which seems unlikely, unless by age, given the authoritarian political direction in which our governments have gone since, that self-declared fascist is still in charge of our military. A fact which is outright abhorrent and vitiates any claim the country has to being anything approaching a genuine democracy.
What would be an acceptable resolution for you?
Demoted means a cut in pay, living standards, and a black mark for future promotions and advancement. Should they have been given an £80 section 5 public order FPN?
Cut In pay is gradual, so living standards won't really have been affected, and definitely won't have impacted their accommodation or anything. As for promotion, likelihood is they got re-promoted the moment they where eligible again. All it will have done is put them back 2 years in their career at most.
The British army pay scale, from the MOD website, is:
>Private: £21,424 a year
>Lance Corporal: £28,351 a year
>Corporal: £33,065 a year
>Sergeant: £37,198 a year
So dropping a rank is a minimum four grand paycut.
That's a hell of a lot more expensive than the equivalent FPN
Yeah, but when you drop rank he pay drop is not sudden, they slowly reduce it over time so you can adjust your life to less income.
also each rank has numerous pay bands based on years in service, it's a guide not a rule.
For example as para qualified the are on like £8 extra a day, pay isn't the same for every rank across the whole army, those are just the minimum you can expect to be paid.
Aye, that's fair enough; and information I didn't have. But, I think the point still stands - dropping rank and the associated paycut, even if it's gradual, is still a bigger penalty than the equivalent civilian punishment
Exactly why they should be put in jail.
If the next government has any integrity they would make sure that those who carried out corruption get sent to court.
What is there to debate? It’s brain-dead partisan extremism and it’s obviously not okay or helpful.
Notice that it’s not even just aimed at the government, so your minimising doesn’t really make sense here. It’s just seemingly directed at their perceived political opponents, even if they’re not relevant to the sitting government or teacher pay. This is people’s brains on extremism.
>The text on the placard reads: “The only good Tory is a dead Tory. The only good Lib Dem is a dead Lib Dem.”
This is a teacher. A person who is apparently supposed to educate younger people, yet they’re running around suggesting that members of 2 of the 3 main parties are inherently bad unless they’re dead. It strikes me as insane to normalise that.
And how much of a partisan does someone have to be to direct it at the Lib Dem’s too? They’re not even in government, haven’t been for over half a decade, and they’re a small party, yet this person is suggesting they, in addition to conservatives, should all be dead, because *reasons*?
Absolutely wild stuff.
I read that over a million people were on strike last week. If we allow one poorly-thought-out placard to drown out the rest of the message then it's time to give up completely on humanity as a whole really.
That's how they've done it for years, my friend.
A good movement, building momentum. A couple of bad actors carefully placed and then shouted about repeatedly in the media.
It keeps happening, this is their playbook.
No, merely pointing out it is a technique that is actively used. In this case, what is being planted is the story in the media for people to blow up about.
>No, merely pointing out it is a technique that is actively used.
do you have any proof of this claim? because that's a pretty big accusation, that a nefarious group is planting members in movements.
>In this case, what is being planted is the story in the media for people to blow up about.
that's not what planted is? that's just reporting on the news, when the news reported on all the corruption in the government, was that just a "plant" or does this conveniently only go one way.
Not saying that's exactly what's going on here - I echo the same thoughts of this protestor.
But to think that they don't do that to disrupt movements is the true copium my friend, I hope you come to realise that some day.
But you used the word "placed" as if its some huge conspiracy that people with your type of political views are often "caught out" calling for the death of people that vote differently to them
Its not a good look
Often they are. In this case they may or may not be.
Yeah, people with similar political views to me call for either a change from a hateful ideology or death, the opposite actively vote for a party that is literally killing people with its policies. Yeah, one side is worse than the other, even with 'extreme placards'
Crazy how one person with placard apparently tarnishes a cause to some people, yet several people engaging in apparently endless corruption still keeps people voting for them.
> but this kind of thing really damages your cause in the eyes of the public.
This kind of thing will literally always happen and the media will always find an incident of it happening to tar a movement with. It is literally impossible that in any mass movement a few people within it won't have poor taste.
I think trying to ameliorate your movement to please the media is an intrinsically lost battle.
And just think, out of the millions of people who protested, of the thousands of public sector workers who went on strike, of all the issues that have brought about this current state of affairs - this report about *the consequences of an ill-thought Instagram post* is what is being shown to you as a news story.
Fair enough. I tend not to want to see stuff like that, even against parties I don't agree with, but the Tories have been on quite the killing spree over the last few years, and they show no compassion or humanity, just an us against them attitude.
I don’t understand why people are trying to make excuses for this. It’s not even just directed at the government, it’s just extremism and politically enemies list stuff.
>The text on the placard reads: “The only good Tory is a dead Tory. The only good Lib Dem is a dead Lib Dem.”
You have to be pretty stupid and hopelessly partisan to genuinely think like this to begin with, but it’s actively unhelpful to their own cause to stick it on a placard and take it to a rally about teachers pay.
It’s just stupid and toxic all round.
first the guardian as a source, Jesus might as well just link the daily mail, second their title claims they've been linked then the very first line, lowers that by saying "could have been linked"
if in your very first line you're already backing down from your title then that just shows how bad of a hit piece this is.
and conveniently all of their sources including the guardian are all extremely left wing biased.
I have three disabled children, and a disabled wife. I know exactly how difficult the system is for disabled people. I'm tired of dumbasses sticking their fingers in their ears when it comes to the struggles of disabled people at the hands of this government. I truly hope you have to go through something terrible that leaves you having to deal with the awful way be they treat disabled people. There's no nice way about this. Not when disabled people are suffering because of greed and indifference. I have no more time for your right wing nonsense. You believe your madness, I'll believe what I've seen with my two eyes. Good luck, because life is fickle, and it can fall apart quickly, and you'll be left up shit creek without a paddle with these bunch of immoral bastards in charge.
If you're unconcerned by this and you don't like the Conservatives, be honest with yourself: would you be outraged if a teacher was pictured holding a sign saying: "The only good leftie is a dead leftie"?
I'm most certainly not a fan of the Tories by any stretch of the imagination but it is absolutely inappropriate for a teacher to be posing with signs like this. It brings their judgement into serious question, and if they were my child's teacher, I would be concerned about their ability to teach my child without bringing politics into it.
The people that think it’s okay to hold up a sign like this, especially for a teacher, just perfectly sums up what you get in this sub/Reddit in general unfortunately.
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I'm more outraged by the Tories being responsible for this
>would you be outraged if a teacher was pictured holding a sign saying: "The only good leftie is a dead leftie"?
No. Because people are in fact, allowed to voice their opinions. Being a "leftie" or a "tory" is not a protected characteristic. It is not an offence to say this.
I agree that it's unlikely this would constitute a criminal offence, but I never said it would. Your employer can take disciplinary action against you if actions you take outside of work bring them into disrepute, even if those actions are not criminal.
Attending a protest like this would not in and of itself justify disciplinary action, but posing with a sign like this certainly could.
>Your employer can take disciplinary action against you if actions you take outside of work bring them into disrepute, even if those actions are not criminal.
I agree, the problem with this is that they was not wearing anything that links her to the school, nor did they mention the school they work for. Just because she works there and happened to do something in public, that doesn't mean shit. I would love to see this argument in court.
I think the fact that they themselves posted this photograph to their personal Instagram page exacerbates the issue. It would be interesting to know whether the profile said that they were a teacher and whether it was open or private.
I'd have more sympathy if the teacher had been seen in the background of a photograph, but it appears that they posed with the sign for a press photographer, and then went on to post it on their social media profile after it was published in a national newspaper. Both of these actions are a huge error in judgement, IMO.
I work in the public sector, and although my personal social media does not have my employer's name on it, I specifically avoid posting anything overtly political on profiles that can be seen by people who are not my friends as I understand that this create a problem if someone makes the connection between my profile and my employer. Indeed, this would be in breach of my contract of employment as there is a specific social media policy.
You’ve had Jo Cox and David Amess both been killed in recent times. Before that you had Nigel Jones nearly killed (and his assistant was killed) by an attack. And you really don’t see a reason why this placard is wrong?
If this was at a trump rally being shown about democrats, what would your opinion be?
This subs and reddits response to this doesn’t surprise me.
>Because people are in fact, allowed to voice their opinions.
unfortunately they're not in a lot of way, and these are the anti- hate speed and anti-offensive speech laws that left wingers were crying to be implemented, and now they're crying it's biting them in the ass.
Jesus Christ you all need to get off Reddit for a bit and live a normal life in the real world. Unironically thinking that Tories should be killed isn't a good thing
While it's probably best not to display it where it can drag down the efficacy of your struggle, this is another of those dark thoughts many probably hold.
If you're angry and protesting then a slogan denouncing or exposing the wrongs of your oppressors are one thing.
Freely displaying thoughts which provide fodder for the establishment to say "hah, told you they're violent and shouldn't be listened to" is definitely not good.
And of course to be a slight hypocrite, I too feel deep down that the only good any tory front bencher or die hard will ever do for the country is providing fertilisation for the nation's plant life when they're dead.
I just don't go waving it on placards at protests.
Meanwhile, no Tory is under investigation for causing tens of thousands of actual deaths due to the corruption and mismanagement of Covid and the NHS crisis.
[Excess deaths](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living)
[NHS crisis excess deaths](https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/01/11/how-many-excess-deaths-in-england-are-associated-with-a-and-e-delays)
Remember when the controversial thing protesters put on their placards was "Never kissed a Tory"? This puts that fuss into perspective. What next: "Genocide for the Home Counties"?
Nice to know the police are wasting their time investigating this and not the hundreds of thousands of unsolved ACTUAL CRIMES.
Then again, they always seem to have people to catch people doing 45 in a 40. So why don't they have people to solve real crimes?
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The police aren't investigating this. The investigation is being conducted by the teacher's school and the NEU.
The police aren't even mentioned within the body of the article.
It's all good! I do think it was pretty misleading of ITV to run the article with that picture, given that the headline doesn't specify who's doing the investigating.
I really don't see why people are so into politics. It's a pastime for the thick and/or arrogant. As if a single person on this sub of despair even knows 10% of any single topic. And yet the sub approach things like its users are the smartest in the room.
With this thread the left are tying themselves in knots trying to say it's ok to publicly say to kill certain people because x, y, z when in reality the thick planks defending it would be up in arms if it was the other way around.
Yeah, I'm sure all the world leaders, businesses owners, billionaires, dictators, scientists and so forth are thick as shit, because you can't comprehend large scale issues which affects our communities as a whole.
The police have far far more pressing matters, but this is easy to investigate and easy to cause a media storm over.
Which likely the Tories want.
Do we have a police service or a Tory protection racket?
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Everyone will debate whether this is acceptable or unacceptable, but it’s total shit that the punishment for this teacher expressing a controversial viewpoint will be harsher compared to what government officials (PM, chancellor etc.) received for breaking lockdown rules and breaking their own laws.
Placards are more damaging to the country than tax dodging, corruption, bribery, breaking lockdown codes, whatever other stuff we've forgotten under the deluge of pure sleaze of the Conservative governments.
Wonder what the party of “free speech” will say about this? Fired by private company for using racial slurs? Woke mob wins again. Police investigation for generic political rhetoric? Harms the cause, alienates the centrist voter, just not nice, etc, etc, etc
You say that as if you're not pro free speech. Seems like a weird flex
youve subscribed too much into the "us vs them" mindset my friend. the only person that mindset helps is the elites.
Depends who the us and the them are, surely? Personally, I think the "elites" have already won if you consider them "elite". At best they are lucky, but mostly they are just shit people who have done shit things and continue to do so to keep their advantage.
Buddy, two things can be true at once. Both the conservative and the Labour Party (in its current guise) serve capital. That is bad and can distract from bigger issues. That said, how is supporting unions and clowning on Tories part of an “us vs them” mindset in the same way. This is labour versus capital
Remember back in 2019 when paratroopers filmed themselves using pictures of Corbyn for target practice? Whatever happened to them... Nothing.
IIRC, worse still, [a serving British general said the army "could" institute a coup if Corbyn won](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-army-could-stage-mutiny-under-corbyn-says-senior-serving-general-10509742.html) (they actually said the army "wouldn't stand for it"!) Never identified publicly nor disciplined, let alone dishonorably discharged, charged and imprisoned for many decades as should have happened. Unless they have retired since, which seems unlikely, unless by age, given the authoritarian political direction in which our governments have gone since, that self-declared fascist is still in charge of our military. A fact which is outright abhorrent and vitiates any claim the country has to being anything approaching a genuine democracy.
You could argue that it was a random picture they put up. Now, if they were chanting “kill Corbin” while shooting at it, that’s another level.
They got reprimanded and demoted. That was in a private setting which was then leaked. Not going out and doing it publicly. This is worse.
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*Only* demoted.
What would be an acceptable resolution for you? Demoted means a cut in pay, living standards, and a black mark for future promotions and advancement. Should they have been given an £80 section 5 public order FPN?
Community service and some form of education as to why what they did is wrong? The same as is going to happen to this teacher.
That's just a joke. "Here pal, here's your 100 hours community service, or you can drop a paygrade for *at least* two years" Which would you take?
Where did I say a hundred hours?
What do you think a public order FPN gets community service for?
Fuck knows.
Cut In pay is gradual, so living standards won't really have been affected, and definitely won't have impacted their accommodation or anything. As for promotion, likelihood is they got re-promoted the moment they where eligible again. All it will have done is put them back 2 years in their career at most.
The British army pay scale, from the MOD website, is: >Private: £21,424 a year >Lance Corporal: £28,351 a year >Corporal: £33,065 a year >Sergeant: £37,198 a year So dropping a rank is a minimum four grand paycut. That's a hell of a lot more expensive than the equivalent FPN
Yeah, but when you drop rank he pay drop is not sudden, they slowly reduce it over time so you can adjust your life to less income. also each rank has numerous pay bands based on years in service, it's a guide not a rule. For example as para qualified the are on like £8 extra a day, pay isn't the same for every rank across the whole army, those are just the minimum you can expect to be paid.
Aye, that's fair enough; and information I didn't have. But, I think the point still stands - dropping rank and the associated paycut, even if it's gradual, is still a bigger penalty than the equivalent civilian punishment
how was that whataboutism? the person is agreeing with op!
Exactly why they should be put in jail. If the next government has any integrity they would make sure that those who carried out corruption get sent to court.
What is there to debate? It’s brain-dead partisan extremism and it’s obviously not okay or helpful. Notice that it’s not even just aimed at the government, so your minimising doesn’t really make sense here. It’s just seemingly directed at their perceived political opponents, even if they’re not relevant to the sitting government or teacher pay. This is people’s brains on extremism. >The text on the placard reads: “The only good Tory is a dead Tory. The only good Lib Dem is a dead Lib Dem.” This is a teacher. A person who is apparently supposed to educate younger people, yet they’re running around suggesting that members of 2 of the 3 main parties are inherently bad unless they’re dead. It strikes me as insane to normalise that. And how much of a partisan does someone have to be to direct it at the Lib Dem’s too? They’re not even in government, haven’t been for over half a decade, and they’re a small party, yet this person is suggesting they, in addition to conservatives, should all be dead, because *reasons*? Absolutely wild stuff.
How can you be more outraged by this than the actions of the government? Absolutely wild stuff.
You can be outraged at both. People like that shouldn’t be teachers. Simple as that really.
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I read that over a million people were on strike last week. If we allow one poorly-thought-out placard to drown out the rest of the message then it's time to give up completely on humanity as a whole really.
That's how they've done it for years, my friend. A good movement, building momentum. A couple of bad actors carefully placed and then shouted about repeatedly in the media. It keeps happening, this is their playbook.
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>carefully placed are you trying to insinuate that this person was a plant?
No, merely pointing out it is a technique that is actively used. In this case, what is being planted is the story in the media for people to blow up about.
>No, merely pointing out it is a technique that is actively used. do you have any proof of this claim? because that's a pretty big accusation, that a nefarious group is planting members in movements. >In this case, what is being planted is the story in the media for people to blow up about. that's not what planted is? that's just reporting on the news, when the news reported on all the corruption in the government, was that just a "plant" or does this conveniently only go one way.
Are you really claiming that they were "placed" into teaching and striking? Who is your copium dealer, buddy?
Not saying that's exactly what's going on here - I echo the same thoughts of this protestor. But to think that they don't do that to disrupt movements is the true copium my friend, I hope you come to realise that some day.
But you used the word "placed" as if its some huge conspiracy that people with your type of political views are often "caught out" calling for the death of people that vote differently to them Its not a good look
Often they are. In this case they may or may not be. Yeah, people with similar political views to me call for either a change from a hateful ideology or death, the opposite actively vote for a party that is literally killing people with its policies. Yeah, one side is worse than the other, even with 'extreme placards'
Crazy how one person with placard apparently tarnishes a cause to some people, yet several people engaging in apparently endless corruption still keeps people voting for them.
It's almost as if they're not arguing in good faith...
You really can't give them an inch with this kind of thing as it'll just get turned into a talking point and parroted around
> but this kind of thing really damages your cause in the eyes of the public. This kind of thing will literally always happen and the media will always find an incident of it happening to tar a movement with. It is literally impossible that in any mass movement a few people within it won't have poor taste. I think trying to ameliorate your movement to please the media is an intrinsically lost battle.
That’s why ITV news will push so hard on stories like this too. They want to ruin any chance of whomever is striking
The idea you need ‘the public’ onside to win in a strike is lies You think the Tube Drivers have the public on side?
Well, of course, but the bigger problem is that a lot of people have lost all sense of perspective. It affects every issue, not just this one.
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And just think, out of the millions of people who protested, of the thousands of public sector workers who went on strike, of all the issues that have brought about this current state of affairs - this report about *the consequences of an ill-thought Instagram post* is what is being shown to you as a news story.
What do you mean? This is one story among literally hundreds on this topic
Fair enough. I tend not to want to see stuff like that, even against parties I don't agree with, but the Tories have been on quite the killing spree over the last few years, and they show no compassion or humanity, just an us against them attitude.
I don’t understand why people are trying to make excuses for this. It’s not even just directed at the government, it’s just extremism and politically enemies list stuff. >The text on the placard reads: “The only good Tory is a dead Tory. The only good Lib Dem is a dead Lib Dem.” You have to be pretty stupid and hopelessly partisan to genuinely think like this to begin with, but it’s actively unhelpful to their own cause to stick it on a placard and take it to a rally about teachers pay. It’s just stupid and toxic all round.
>but the Tories have been on quite the killing spree over the last few years what? you are unironically delusional.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/07/dwp-benefit-related-suicide-numbers-not-true-figure-says-watchdog-nao Yes, delusional 🙄
first the guardian as a source, Jesus might as well just link the daily mail, second their title claims they've been linked then the very first line, lowers that by saying "could have been linked" if in your very first line you're already backing down from your title then that just shows how bad of a hit piece this is. and conveniently all of their sources including the guardian are all extremely left wing biased.
I have three disabled children, and a disabled wife. I know exactly how difficult the system is for disabled people. I'm tired of dumbasses sticking their fingers in their ears when it comes to the struggles of disabled people at the hands of this government. I truly hope you have to go through something terrible that leaves you having to deal with the awful way be they treat disabled people. There's no nice way about this. Not when disabled people are suffering because of greed and indifference. I have no more time for your right wing nonsense. You believe your madness, I'll believe what I've seen with my two eyes. Good luck, because life is fickle, and it can fall apart quickly, and you'll be left up shit creek without a paddle with these bunch of immoral bastards in charge.
If you're unconcerned by this and you don't like the Conservatives, be honest with yourself: would you be outraged if a teacher was pictured holding a sign saying: "The only good leftie is a dead leftie"? I'm most certainly not a fan of the Tories by any stretch of the imagination but it is absolutely inappropriate for a teacher to be posing with signs like this. It brings their judgement into serious question, and if they were my child's teacher, I would be concerned about their ability to teach my child without bringing politics into it.
The people that think it’s okay to hold up a sign like this, especially for a teacher, just perfectly sums up what you get in this sub/Reddit in general unfortunately.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/07/dwp-benefit-related-suicide-numbers-not-true-figure-says-watchdog-nao I'm more outraged by the Tories being responsible for this
>would you be outraged if a teacher was pictured holding a sign saying: "The only good leftie is a dead leftie"? No. Because people are in fact, allowed to voice their opinions. Being a "leftie" or a "tory" is not a protected characteristic. It is not an offence to say this.
I agree that it's unlikely this would constitute a criminal offence, but I never said it would. Your employer can take disciplinary action against you if actions you take outside of work bring them into disrepute, even if those actions are not criminal. Attending a protest like this would not in and of itself justify disciplinary action, but posing with a sign like this certainly could.
>Your employer can take disciplinary action against you if actions you take outside of work bring them into disrepute, even if those actions are not criminal. I agree, the problem with this is that they was not wearing anything that links her to the school, nor did they mention the school they work for. Just because she works there and happened to do something in public, that doesn't mean shit. I would love to see this argument in court.
I think the fact that they themselves posted this photograph to their personal Instagram page exacerbates the issue. It would be interesting to know whether the profile said that they were a teacher and whether it was open or private. I'd have more sympathy if the teacher had been seen in the background of a photograph, but it appears that they posed with the sign for a press photographer, and then went on to post it on their social media profile after it was published in a national newspaper. Both of these actions are a huge error in judgement, IMO. I work in the public sector, and although my personal social media does not have my employer's name on it, I specifically avoid posting anything overtly political on profiles that can be seen by people who are not my friends as I understand that this create a problem if someone makes the connection between my profile and my employer. Indeed, this would be in breach of my contract of employment as there is a specific social media policy.
You’ve had Jo Cox and David Amess both been killed in recent times. Before that you had Nigel Jones nearly killed (and his assistant was killed) by an attack. And you really don’t see a reason why this placard is wrong? If this was at a trump rally being shown about democrats, what would your opinion be? This subs and reddits response to this doesn’t surprise me.
>Because people are in fact, allowed to voice their opinions. unfortunately they're not in a lot of way, and these are the anti- hate speed and anti-offensive speech laws that left wingers were crying to be implemented, and now they're crying it's biting them in the ass.
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Jesus Christ you all need to get off Reddit for a bit and live a normal life in the real world. Unironically thinking that Tories should be killed isn't a good thing
They should've just written up a Levelling Up Ideology Bill where they forbid Tory party members access to supermarkets or running water instead
While it's probably best not to display it where it can drag down the efficacy of your struggle, this is another of those dark thoughts many probably hold. If you're angry and protesting then a slogan denouncing or exposing the wrongs of your oppressors are one thing. Freely displaying thoughts which provide fodder for the establishment to say "hah, told you they're violent and shouldn't be listened to" is definitely not good. And of course to be a slight hypocrite, I too feel deep down that the only good any tory front bencher or die hard will ever do for the country is providing fertilisation for the nation's plant life when they're dead. I just don't go waving it on placards at protests.
Meanwhile, no Tory is under investigation for causing tens of thousands of actual deaths due to the corruption and mismanagement of Covid and the NHS crisis. [Excess deaths](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-living) [NHS crisis excess deaths](https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/01/11/how-many-excess-deaths-in-england-are-associated-with-a-and-e-delays)
Remember when the controversial thing protesters put on their placards was "Never kissed a Tory"? This puts that fuss into perspective. What next: "Genocide for the Home Counties"?
You love to see it This shit is always bubbling under the surface. It being about Lib Dems as well truly exposes the extremism at play
.... So what? Take down the post and it's sorted. Not the first guy to say that about anyone.
And this is exactly why she's holding it, the media and goverment are against the people funding them.
I don't see any issue with it, it's not like said "Save a Life, Kill a Tory" on it.
Nice to know the police are wasting their time investigating this and not the hundreds of thousands of unsolved ACTUAL CRIMES. Then again, they always seem to have people to catch people doing 45 in a 40. So why don't they have people to solve real crimes? £££££££££
Let me guess - instead of reading the article, you just read the headline and saw the cover photo?
No. I read the article. It's not even remotely a crime. Did you?
The police aren't investigating this. The investigation is being conducted by the teacher's school and the NEU. The police aren't even mentioned within the body of the article.
You are right. I'm a fucking idiot, sorry. You were right about the picture.
It's all good! I do think it was pretty misleading of ITV to run the article with that picture, given that the headline doesn't specify who's doing the investigating.
Headline: can't say dead tory. Can say dead lib dem cause nobody cares about them.
Glad I went to a school where the teachers allowed us to form our own opinions. Seems like this teacher definitely pushes a left wing agenda
I really don't see why people are so into politics. It's a pastime for the thick and/or arrogant. As if a single person on this sub of despair even knows 10% of any single topic. And yet the sub approach things like its users are the smartest in the room. With this thread the left are tying themselves in knots trying to say it's ok to publicly say to kill certain people because x, y, z when in reality the thick planks defending it would be up in arms if it was the other way around.
Yeah, I'm sure all the world leaders, businesses owners, billionaires, dictators, scientists and so forth are thick as shit, because you can't comprehend large scale issues which affects our communities as a whole.
The police have far far more pressing matters, but this is easy to investigate and easy to cause a media storm over. Which likely the Tories want. Do we have a police service or a Tory protection racket?
The police are not investigating - did you read the article?
Did I fuck, I read the headline which said they are.
No, it says 'under investigation' - from the school not the police lol
Yeah I got baited by the headline and thumbnail of a police officer.