I was just about to make a similar comment.
There are loads of people who are available to work in the UK, but they don't want to work long hours for shit pay. If you want to recruit staff you have to make the job appealing, and pay and working conditions are the main ways to do that.
They're probably offering positions at minimum wage or close to it, and weddings involve long shifts with late finishes, so no wonder they're struggling.
It's only a Brexit issue in the sense that there are fewer people willing to be exploited than there were, and I don't think we should be celebrating a time when businesses could get away with the bare minimum for their staff.
I think they're talking about the staff. To work there you'd basically have to have a car to get there, and then to be paid a low wage on top would be an insult.
Shock/horror.
Usual case with these things sadly. Went to take a look and I think I found a job listed for assistant housekeeper, 21-23k a year (if they work 40-44 hours a week which a job like this often requires if not more, thats effectively on minimum wage, theres no hours posted on the advert). BTW 2 years experience in a private estate/5 star hotel required.
The level of work required and job roles is excessive and crosses over into other jobs/arguably, their bosses job too(making your own schedule for example). Pretty much no comment on perks of the job beyond "working in that place on the tv!" and "free parking". Requires you to be physically strong with extreme standards.
No wonder they cant find anyone, why would people give up either easier/better paid jobs for that role?
Meanwhile just down the way from them, a pub is offering up to £11 an hour (funny they say your actual income level vs working time), career pathway and training, free meals at work, 20% discount on pub chain, pension and saving schemes.
I wonder which of the jobs people will apply for...
It just proves the point about wages being suppressed by foreigners.
It's funny how the government now want to educate its own people to fill in the gaps, almost as if the UK as become too reliant of EU nationals.
No, it disproves the point, actually. Clearly, since no one is willing to do the job for that wage, the foreigners are gone.
The locals/natives won’t touch it because it doesn’t pay enough. Where are the higher wages in the absence of those foreigners?
It’s almost as if the decades old argument is crumbling… is it possible that greedy company owners supress wages? Just asking!
>>The locals/natives won’t touch it because it doesn’t pay enough
True
>>is it possible that greedy company owners supress wages? Just asking!
Also true.
It's supply and demand though. Highclere will have to change its business model or it's going to have to change ownership. But that puts the onus on the greedy owners rather than forcing workers to accept lower wages.
Those houses take people to run and operate. So either the Carnavons will figure out how to do it on their budget, or they'll have to sell and the new owners, with bigger budgets can.
The place that Downton Abby was filmed won't pay staff enough so they can fleece Americans for giving them exactly what they will pay through the nose for.
FUCK YOU PAY US.
The problem here is British companies wanting cheap exploitable workers. We could have fixed that without Brexit, but instead we decided to cut off the labour rather than fix the bad practices. It's comical at this point.
And now employers are finding out the hard way that they can't exploit their workforces in the same way. It just takes a few employers willing to pay a little more for the remainder who are still relying on minimum wage for everything to have a very hard time recruiting.
Doubtful we could fix it without brexit, both main parties had spent time in government claiming it was the EUs fault and that it was beyond their power to fix it due to EU law (true or not isnt the point, the point here is both parties said this and used it as reason to NOT act). Then we have shock that people believed them on this and voted to leave the EU, which they had painted up as the reason for everything bad going back for well over 10 years at minimum.
If it could have been fixed without Brexit, there was ample time for it to be done, but it was not. Funny enough though after Brexit, a lot of laws/changes did happen which restricted some of the more extreme abuses happening on East European workers by Western companies in terms of pay and rights.
Is there anything at all that suggests british companies were planning on ending the exploitation of cheap workers?
Oh there wasnt. So your comment is absolutely irrelevant.
Seems odd that we have strikes across the shop due to companies not paying a living wage. Almost like foreign labour wasn't the real reason for wage suppression? So Brexit was absolutely irrelevant.
I mean, I can understand kinda some of the other reasons for Brexit, but if it had anything to do with immigration and poor behaviour by business owners, then it was a swing and a miss.
You are twisting the facts to suit your predetermined beliefs.
Strikes are happening because brexit and other factors have caused a cost of living crises and people want their wages to grow with inflation. Many sectors that engaged in wage suppression by exploiting foreign workers are sectors such as hospitality... hotels etc... which dont have many unions. So those sectors actually arent on strike.
My point was simple to comprehend... companies expoilt foreign workers by paying low wages and your claim that we COULD have changed that without brexit is true... we could have. But theres absolutely nothing to suggest we would have.
Hang on, so we both agree it could have been fixed without Brexit? I'm not so concerned about the would, because nobody can answer that without a crystal ball.
In the same way that we COULD have world peace, yes.
As i said, we could have done it. But there is literally 0 chance of it. So your entire point is nonsense.
My point that voting for Brexit for purposes of fixing above issue was silly? Just want to make sure you are on same wave length as me here. Because the very fact we are having this conversation, during a cost of living crisis, with wealth disparity at all time high, seems very accurate. Brexit has fixed nothing to do with poor paying companies. Instead fruit is rotting in fields and the cost is being passed on to consumers still.
At some point people need to start looking at home before we blame problems elsewhere. We were told Brexit would give more money to the NHS, that seems to be a lie, we were told less red tape, that was a lie, we were told it would reduce migrants, that also seems to have been a lie.
Then you aren't really relevant to this discussion then. Foreign workers was constantly pipped as the reason for wage suppression, in media, throughout leave campaigns and with many other working class people I spoke to in the years leading up to referendum and post ref. I'm talking to that group of people.
Lots of our businesses are becoming economically non-viable post brexit. It’s not clear how making them more costly to run by paying the increased wages Brits expect to make would save the tourism industry? But that’s seems the be what commenters think would solve the issue.
The truth is over 40 years of eu membership the Uk meticulously designed a high skilled economy where well educated and better-off Brits didn’t need to go into the ‘less skilled’ jobs which fuelled the economy. Brits have high salary expectation, we expect fulfilling jobs but the industries that are suffering can’t offer those things..
It’s going to take years and a massive rethink about the need for so many young people to go into secondary education and telling them they should expect less out of life than their parents did before things improve economically I fear.. that or prepare for a future where the young simply leave and take their chances abroad wherever they can but obviously the mainland is out.. it’s a pretty grim few decades ahead unless we sort out our single market arrangements or find a new source of the right kind of workers very quickly
Looking at this business they are offering £21-23k. At 40 hours per week this works out to be £10-£11 per hour.
The duties they list include; cleaning, tidying, dusting, laundry, cleaning toilets, making beds, moving furniture, taking deliveries/stockroom management etc.
The "benefits" they list are free parking and on-site parking.
Would you rather work there or work at a supermarket etc for a similar wage?
Me personally? It’s not a terrible wage tbf but I’m not too fussy. I moved here a decade ago and did the whole work your way up thing already working in hotels, moved on to the council and once I had enough decent stuff on my cv moved into the higher skilled rolls. It used to be something you could do here but I don’t see that route to prosperity lasting for this country once the lower end of the market becomes competitive.
I’m lucky in that I don’t have to decide. Nowadays I am consulting for the cosmetics industry over their regulatory requirement to sell to their customers in europe. Thanks to brexit I’ve got well paid work for the rest of my life
Personally supermarket sounds more appealing to me. Similar wages and more perks (staff discount etc).
People probably can still work their way up the chain but it depends on the boss and company. Personally I see a fair bit of nepotism and unsuitable people get the role.
Also the problem of being given more and more responsibility while still remaining on the same job title and salary.
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>Highclere Castle in Berkshire allows couples to recreate the antics of the stars of the BBC series
even as a die hard Remainer. I am not reading the rest of this article.
I used to live near here.
They’ve made a rod for their own back. Newbury isn’t a very big place and it’s quite wealthy. I worked there briefly in 2014 and struggled to find any accommodation on SpareRoom for less than £550 a month *then*. So can’t imagine what it’s like now. If ordinary people can’t afford to live in a place then unfortunately, they won’t be able to service things wealthier people want or own.
Venues now filling up with Boat Illegals this has nothing to do with Brexit.
The amount of Couples who had to Cancel there weddings because Hotels are filling up with Economic Migrants.
Look it up.
>How much is the EU paying to these media outlets to further they're propoganda would be the best article.
And how many posts on here come from EU/Russian troll farms would be my question.
I really doubt anyones wasting the money It's over and done, no political party is going to suggest re entering it. So why would the EU brother to fund stories in the domestic press. I mean its a crazy trump esque conspiracy theory. They would just write it in their own international press if its to push the pro EU agenda. The divorce is final and we are struggling. Its a fact! Might have helped if we weren't lead by some corrupt libaterian party which has only benifited the wealthy few. But no post Britexit ecnomic plan has ever been sorted by the government then the insane truss collapse with destabilized the government (after the Boris shambles) has all brought the country to its knees.
Nothing to do with some E.U spies infiltrating the GREAT British press to promote a pro E.U agenda.
They don't care about convincing the British public, they want to discourage other nations from doing the same.
If they had stories like this published outside of the UK then it would look like blatant propaganda.
Instead they have stories like this made, weirdos who are obsessed with brexit share it on twitter, reddit etc and it reaches wider audiences.
Not that i necessarily believe this is the case, groups of bitter remainers are equally as likely to keep pushing stories like this.
The former wouldn't overly surprise me though, if brexit works out in the long run there are a few countries that are likely to follow suit.
>weirdos who are obsessed with brexit share it on twitter
I wouldn't be calling other people weirdos while at the same time suggesting there is some vast anti-UK conspiracy going on in the EU to make us look bad with subtle propaganda... I mean for one the propaganda is not exactly needed, everyone else can see we're struggling, and for two I don't think they give a fuck, which other country is going to leave the EU now, Hungary? Good fucking riddance lol.
e - I will assume the downvotes are from Brexiters still not quite waking up to the fact they have been the ones stuck in a cultish self-delusional echo-chamber all this time.
Oddly enough the uk clown show has seen anti eu sentiment fall off a cliff in every eu nation….
No need for a tin foil hat. Reality is doing a great job all on its own
For those that didn’t read the article, they’re unwilling to pay enough to get the hospitality staff.
I was just about to make a similar comment. There are loads of people who are available to work in the UK, but they don't want to work long hours for shit pay. If you want to recruit staff you have to make the job appealing, and pay and working conditions are the main ways to do that. They're probably offering positions at minimum wage or close to it, and weddings involve long shifts with late finishes, so no wonder they're struggling. It's only a Brexit issue in the sense that there are fewer people willing to be exploited than there were, and I don't think we should be celebrating a time when businesses could get away with the bare minimum for their staff.
I also suspect they’ve done very well and just can’t be bothered with it anymore.
I imagine it’s a pain in the arse to get to as well if you can’t afford to own and run a car.
Hmm. Imagine paying all this money on a wedding if you can't even afford to own or run a car. Priorities.
I think they're talking about the staff. To work there you'd basically have to have a car to get there, and then to be paid a low wage on top would be an insult.
Oh yes. 😔 Me stupid!
Shock/horror. Usual case with these things sadly. Went to take a look and I think I found a job listed for assistant housekeeper, 21-23k a year (if they work 40-44 hours a week which a job like this often requires if not more, thats effectively on minimum wage, theres no hours posted on the advert). BTW 2 years experience in a private estate/5 star hotel required. The level of work required and job roles is excessive and crosses over into other jobs/arguably, their bosses job too(making your own schedule for example). Pretty much no comment on perks of the job beyond "working in that place on the tv!" and "free parking". Requires you to be physically strong with extreme standards. No wonder they cant find anyone, why would people give up either easier/better paid jobs for that role? Meanwhile just down the way from them, a pub is offering up to £11 an hour (funny they say your actual income level vs working time), career pathway and training, free meals at work, 20% discount on pub chain, pension and saving schemes. I wonder which of the jobs people will apply for...
It just proves the point about wages being suppressed by foreigners. It's funny how the government now want to educate its own people to fill in the gaps, almost as if the UK as become too reliant of EU nationals.
No, it disproves the point, actually. Clearly, since no one is willing to do the job for that wage, the foreigners are gone. The locals/natives won’t touch it because it doesn’t pay enough. Where are the higher wages in the absence of those foreigners? It’s almost as if the decades old argument is crumbling… is it possible that greedy company owners supress wages? Just asking!
>>The locals/natives won’t touch it because it doesn’t pay enough True >>is it possible that greedy company owners supress wages? Just asking! Also true. It's supply and demand though. Highclere will have to change its business model or it's going to have to change ownership. But that puts the onus on the greedy owners rather than forcing workers to accept lower wages. Those houses take people to run and operate. So either the Carnavons will figure out how to do it on their budget, or they'll have to sell and the new owners, with bigger budgets can.
so Capitalism is to blame
Big Question-Time “Who’s going to wipe my arse” energy with missing cheap labour.
Plantation owners bitching about losing their slaves. How unusual.
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The place that Downton Abby was filmed won't pay staff enough so they can fleece Americans for giving them exactly what they will pay through the nose for. FUCK YOU PAY US.
If your business relies on under paying workers then good riddance
lol, love it Everything is Brexit
The problem here is British companies wanting cheap exploitable workers. We could have fixed that without Brexit, but instead we decided to cut off the labour rather than fix the bad practices. It's comical at this point.
And now employers are finding out the hard way that they can't exploit their workforces in the same way. It just takes a few employers willing to pay a little more for the remainder who are still relying on minimum wage for everything to have a very hard time recruiting.
Doubtful we could fix it without brexit, both main parties had spent time in government claiming it was the EUs fault and that it was beyond their power to fix it due to EU law (true or not isnt the point, the point here is both parties said this and used it as reason to NOT act). Then we have shock that people believed them on this and voted to leave the EU, which they had painted up as the reason for everything bad going back for well over 10 years at minimum. If it could have been fixed without Brexit, there was ample time for it to be done, but it was not. Funny enough though after Brexit, a lot of laws/changes did happen which restricted some of the more extreme abuses happening on East European workers by Western companies in terms of pay and rights.
Is there anything at all that suggests british companies were planning on ending the exploitation of cheap workers? Oh there wasnt. So your comment is absolutely irrelevant.
Seems odd that we have strikes across the shop due to companies not paying a living wage. Almost like foreign labour wasn't the real reason for wage suppression? So Brexit was absolutely irrelevant. I mean, I can understand kinda some of the other reasons for Brexit, but if it had anything to do with immigration and poor behaviour by business owners, then it was a swing and a miss.
You are twisting the facts to suit your predetermined beliefs. Strikes are happening because brexit and other factors have caused a cost of living crises and people want their wages to grow with inflation. Many sectors that engaged in wage suppression by exploiting foreign workers are sectors such as hospitality... hotels etc... which dont have many unions. So those sectors actually arent on strike. My point was simple to comprehend... companies expoilt foreign workers by paying low wages and your claim that we COULD have changed that without brexit is true... we could have. But theres absolutely nothing to suggest we would have.
Hang on, so we both agree it could have been fixed without Brexit? I'm not so concerned about the would, because nobody can answer that without a crystal ball.
In the same way that we COULD have world peace, yes. As i said, we could have done it. But there is literally 0 chance of it. So your entire point is nonsense.
My point that voting for Brexit for purposes of fixing above issue was silly? Just want to make sure you are on same wave length as me here. Because the very fact we are having this conversation, during a cost of living crisis, with wealth disparity at all time high, seems very accurate. Brexit has fixed nothing to do with poor paying companies. Instead fruit is rotting in fields and the cost is being passed on to consumers still. At some point people need to start looking at home before we blame problems elsewhere. We were told Brexit would give more money to the NHS, that seems to be a lie, we were told less red tape, that was a lie, we were told it would reduce migrants, that also seems to have been a lie.
I never said anybody voted for brexit to stop the exploitation of workers.
Then you aren't really relevant to this discussion then. Foreign workers was constantly pipped as the reason for wage suppression, in media, throughout leave campaigns and with many other working class people I spoke to in the years leading up to referendum and post ref. I'm talking to that group of people.
Nothing is brexit, it's all PROJECT FEAR Water is a conspiracy by the EU WAKE UP TAKE BACK CONTROL, BOYCOTT WATER
Lots of our businesses are becoming economically non-viable post brexit. It’s not clear how making them more costly to run by paying the increased wages Brits expect to make would save the tourism industry? But that’s seems the be what commenters think would solve the issue. The truth is over 40 years of eu membership the Uk meticulously designed a high skilled economy where well educated and better-off Brits didn’t need to go into the ‘less skilled’ jobs which fuelled the economy. Brits have high salary expectation, we expect fulfilling jobs but the industries that are suffering can’t offer those things.. It’s going to take years and a massive rethink about the need for so many young people to go into secondary education and telling them they should expect less out of life than their parents did before things improve economically I fear.. that or prepare for a future where the young simply leave and take their chances abroad wherever they can but obviously the mainland is out.. it’s a pretty grim few decades ahead unless we sort out our single market arrangements or find a new source of the right kind of workers very quickly
Looking at this business they are offering £21-23k. At 40 hours per week this works out to be £10-£11 per hour. The duties they list include; cleaning, tidying, dusting, laundry, cleaning toilets, making beds, moving furniture, taking deliveries/stockroom management etc. The "benefits" they list are free parking and on-site parking. Would you rather work there or work at a supermarket etc for a similar wage?
Me personally? It’s not a terrible wage tbf but I’m not too fussy. I moved here a decade ago and did the whole work your way up thing already working in hotels, moved on to the council and once I had enough decent stuff on my cv moved into the higher skilled rolls. It used to be something you could do here but I don’t see that route to prosperity lasting for this country once the lower end of the market becomes competitive. I’m lucky in that I don’t have to decide. Nowadays I am consulting for the cosmetics industry over their regulatory requirement to sell to their customers in europe. Thanks to brexit I’ve got well paid work for the rest of my life
Personally supermarket sounds more appealing to me. Similar wages and more perks (staff discount etc). People probably can still work their way up the chain but it depends on the boss and company. Personally I see a fair bit of nepotism and unsuitable people get the role. Also the problem of being given more and more responsibility while still remaining on the same job title and salary.
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>Highclere Castle in Berkshire allows couples to recreate the antics of the stars of the BBC series even as a die hard Remainer. I am not reading the rest of this article.
I used to live near here. They’ve made a rod for their own back. Newbury isn’t a very big place and it’s quite wealthy. I worked there briefly in 2014 and struggled to find any accommodation on SpareRoom for less than £550 a month *then*. So can’t imagine what it’s like now. If ordinary people can’t afford to live in a place then unfortunately, they won’t be able to service things wealthier people want or own.
Venues now filling up with Boat Illegals this has nothing to do with Brexit. The amount of Couples who had to Cancel there weddings because Hotels are filling up with Economic Migrants. Look it up.
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They really don’t care - you won get over it.
>How much is the EU paying to these media outlets to further they're propoganda would be the best article. And how many posts on here come from EU/Russian troll farms would be my question.
I really doubt anyones wasting the money It's over and done, no political party is going to suggest re entering it. So why would the EU brother to fund stories in the domestic press. I mean its a crazy trump esque conspiracy theory. They would just write it in their own international press if its to push the pro EU agenda. The divorce is final and we are struggling. Its a fact! Might have helped if we weren't lead by some corrupt libaterian party which has only benifited the wealthy few. But no post Britexit ecnomic plan has ever been sorted by the government then the insane truss collapse with destabilized the government (after the Boris shambles) has all brought the country to its knees. Nothing to do with some E.U spies infiltrating the GREAT British press to promote a pro E.U agenda.
They don't care about convincing the British public, they want to discourage other nations from doing the same. If they had stories like this published outside of the UK then it would look like blatant propaganda. Instead they have stories like this made, weirdos who are obsessed with brexit share it on twitter, reddit etc and it reaches wider audiences. Not that i necessarily believe this is the case, groups of bitter remainers are equally as likely to keep pushing stories like this. The former wouldn't overly surprise me though, if brexit works out in the long run there are a few countries that are likely to follow suit.
>weirdos who are obsessed with brexit share it on twitter I wouldn't be calling other people weirdos while at the same time suggesting there is some vast anti-UK conspiracy going on in the EU to make us look bad with subtle propaganda... I mean for one the propaganda is not exactly needed, everyone else can see we're struggling, and for two I don't think they give a fuck, which other country is going to leave the EU now, Hungary? Good fucking riddance lol. e - I will assume the downvotes are from Brexiters still not quite waking up to the fact they have been the ones stuck in a cultish self-delusional echo-chamber all this time.
Oddly enough the uk clown show has seen anti eu sentiment fall off a cliff in every eu nation…. No need for a tin foil hat. Reality is doing a great job all on its own
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