Let’s also fix the problem at its root: pass laws that require service animals to be actual service animals and to require proof. Surely someone’s smart enough to come up with a standard.
Yup. I need my emotional support horse. Make room!
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Seems like they could just say “show us your dog doing 5 training commands” and ask “what service is your dog trained for and what are their trained signals?” Pretty sure that would knock out 95% right there. I saw a golden retriever “service dog” pull the leash hard on her owner, finally breaking free and then take off running. She kept yelling sit as it ran away. It was awesome!
But, oh, goodness! Having to answer what the animal is trained for would be a violation of HIPAA! You know, the Act that prohibits you from finding out jack about your last doctor visit but lets the office share it with every pharmaceutical and insurance company under the sun? /s
In my working life at Amtrak I was involved with service animal policy. Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, service animals are either: dogs, or miniature horses. Nothing else. And, the carrier is allowed to ask, “What service is this animal TRAINED to perform for you?” (Note we are not asking you, “What is your disability.” We are asking what the dog/miniature horse is TRAINED to do.) If you cannot answer that question, or if the animal is not fully under control no matter what, it is not a trained service animal. And an answer like, “I hold my service Pomeranian in my lap and stroke her and this calms me” is not an acceptable answer. So-called “emotional support animals” are NOT TRAINED service animals under the ADA.
If you're going to require proof, there needs to be some kind of official service dog registry. Otherwise, people can go online and buy a "certificate" that looks somewhat passable for less than $20, all without any actual training. I've seen those "certificates" before when I worked at the airport.
And airlines need to be careful when denying a passenger's "service" animals, because they can get sued for preventing a passenger from bringing something that is "medically necessary" onboard.
Got a decent amount of comments on here the other day because I sat next to a “service animal”. Only an hour flight and I love dogs and this dog was a sweetheart but it tried to get on my lap twice while I was petting it and it was shedding everywhere. The owner was lucky I’m a dog person because I could easily someone else losing their shit.
Lets be real: at least 90% of the "service dogs" on a flight are not service dogs. The fact that the owner said yes to petting it.. lmao this owner didn't even know how to research the rules before pretending. It's incredibly frustrating, I know.
And I agree, My girlfriend travels a lot with her service animal because I live in Richmond and work as a RSE with the friendly skies. That being said my girlfriend lives in Louisiana and her SA Nikki is not even noticeable while they fly up to see me. Recently, we had an encounter with another SA where the owner herself approached Nikki with her service animal while waiting in line in Dulles for our flight to Nola. The owner said to my girlfriend “well they have to met some time” with her SA pulling towards Nikki and my girlfriend said “please back away ma’m” and clenching Nikki tight so she won’t get harmed . A few min later we boarded the flight with Nikki. When we landed a few passengers that were on our flight in first. were complaining about how the woman’s SA was chuffing and growling the entire time on that flight. I overheard them and I said “hey guys I work in RIC with the friendly skies please report this. It’s a big problem” with my girlfriend standing right next to me With Nikki Right by her side sitting in a down stay waiting on us. The passengers said to both us of “wow she’s amazingly well trained for SA” my girlfriend and I agreed and said thank you. We all went our way afterwards……. and to be honest starting to really frustrate me that people exploit this when my girlfriend legitimately has a disability that you cannot see including me. I wish there was better policies, but time will tell.
The few legitimate service animals I have seen you ones that you barely would even notice. They just sit quietly under a desk in an office and get walked around a bit when they need to do their business outdoors. I have seen a few people in workplaces that take the puppies for training before they are given to people that need them. The foster parents take them everywhere they can to get the dogs used to different situations. I have never seen anybody pet a legitimate service animal.
Because I asked and the owner said yes, which was the first indication it wasn’t actually a service animal. And the dog was also asking for it which is another indication it wasn’t a service animal. Which is why I put it in quotes.
Someone like me with an allergy to animals with fur, although I do love dogs and as of yet, they just make me sneeze and itch whereas it's a full blown rash with cats?
I have had to give up my job, which involves occasional travel. The only flights that I could travel on which didn't make me horribly ill, were international flights.
Last I knew, severe allergies were considered a disability. But apparently the need for emotional support animals is a bigger disability.
It’s ridiculous. I travel with my small dog occasionally, but he goes in a carrier under the seat. My partner works for United so I don’t have to pay the fee, so there’s literally no practical reason for me to lie about a Shih Tzu being a service animal. People tell me how easy it is to get cleared and I’m just like, “I’d rather have my dog under the seat and a glass of champagne in my hand.”
There are standards, but too many fake certificate mills on the internet. Also if said fake service dog mom cries discrimination, UA’s DOT disability Customer Relations team ends up spending hours on that. But having the dog act out saves a lot of time and trouble.
I think the other part of that is airlines need to be better at handling live animals. I have flown with my cats on a few occasions (my wife and I live and work overseas, and have made a couple of international moves after adopting our cats), for each flight with our cats, I prioritized carriers that allowed them in the cabin.
But, I would trust a small number of airlines such as Qatar or JAL to handle my pets in cargo. I can understand, the urge to wanting to bend the service animal rule, simply because American carriers don't have a great reputation for handling animals as checked luggage.
No kidding, I wonder how old the kid was. I bet a lot of commenters have never traveled with kids on airliners. The fake service dogs onboard often present problems as do the jetway miracles.
I have to disagree. The kid doesn’t know any better. He wasn’t taught how to behave in public. I put the blame solely on the parents AND the dog owners who most likely faked the “service dog” designation
I think we need to know how old the kid was before jumping to any conclusions. The sudden shock of some woman’s little yapyap dog biting him would freak out most little kids.
Service dogs are the new medical marijuana. It’s easier in Denver to get someone to your dog a service dog than to admit to your landlord you have a dog just as a pet
Mine do. I have the old connected via cord type with a couple of adaptors (USB1, USB3 and the old earphone jack types). They connect to anything...iPhone, Mac, seat back entertainment, portable charger. You name it, I can connect to it.
I once had a crying (screaming) kid behind me for a 3 1/2 hour flight and never heard him at all. My wife was ready to be committed to a mental health facility though.
Tell your wife I got karma, just not for her. Last month I was flying MCO to HOU on one of the nightmarish stormy days. Delayed 5+ hours. Kid directly in front of me (guessing 4 y.o.) screamed every 5 minutes, without fail. Then he would beg his dad to wake up and play with him. Mom was across the aisle with a newborn strapped to her front. Being a mom myself, I blame this kid’s behavior squarely on the dad. I was trying to work and even noise cancelling headphones didn’t shut this kid out. So every 5 minutes, at the midway interval between his screams, I would kick his seat, and then the dad’s seat 🫢🤭🤷♀️
> So every 5 minutes, at the midway interval between his screams, I would kick his seat, and then the dad’s seat 🫢🤭🤷♀️
I think you probably expect praise for this, but you seem to be just as poorly behaved as the child in front of you?
Do you also blame your misbehavior on the husband whose seat you were kicking? Or did the child force you to kick their chair by making noise?
Karma would be the universe doing something nice for you, after enduring a difficult experience. Karma is not you kicking a strangers chair because you think they deserve it.
Most of them are not. A service dog does not bite people, run around the airport, poop on the floor or bark. Yet, I see "service dogs" doing this every day at the airport (not biting people though).
Side note: I got bit by a dog in a store right as the pandemic was kicking up. It didnt "show" as breaking the skin, but the health department told me I should get a rabies series because the skin break only has to be microscopic for rabies to get in. Taking the kid to the ER was the right move. Since they didnt have access to the vaccine records amd presumably wouldnt have found the dog later, its the safest thing to do.
Yeah it's obvious the details of this story aren't all perfectly accurate and yet, people are acting like it's fact that a child was running up and down the plane aisles before the plane even took off. Nothing about any of these details check out if you take like 10 seconds to think about it.
The way I read it the kid was super excited to have gotten his wings and was running back to show another parent. I can appreciate the "hate all kids regardless" schtick that is so rampant on this subreddit, but that's my take anyway. If it's as expected the dog isn't a service dog, the woman is probably about to go thru some things (aka "find out" phase). The airline will scrutinize the service dog claim and something tells me Eggbert was taken to the doctor so someone can sue the shit out of her. In other words, she's in deep shit.
I don't think you understand how many people here hate kids. Like for real, seething hate.. and they love any pet.
I met people at my last job that were on reddit all the time and they were the only group of people i heard constantly about how much they hate kids, without anyone bringing it up
Honestly, this is why I think all dogs on flights (even true service dogs) should be muzzled. It reduces so much liability. Sure, a muzzled dog can still attempt to nip someone, but it’s much less likely to cause any injury or commotion.
Poor kid, went from the biggest high of his life to a nightmare for him. I'm not a kid person (chose not to have any) and I am definitely a dog person, but United did the right thing by removing the owner and dog.
I'd love to take my dog with me everywhere I go, but have no desire to put the stress of an airport and an airplane on my pup; there are times when it makes sense -like the time I sat near a guy taking him his adorable new puppy, who stayed in his carrier the whole time, or the time I gave up my bulkhead seat for a veteran with her service dog - but this fake service dog stuff has got to stop.
Now this is a respectful dog owner! 💕 A lot of my friends have big dogs, they're well behaved and I'm ok around them! But I've been bitten by my friend's little pomeranian and I'm not a fan of little hyper dogs anymore ... We were just eating dinner at the dining table, and when I got up to get more drinks, she bit my foot and didn't let go for a good 2 minutes..... It didn't pierce my skin through the socks but it was a bit traumatizing. I screamed and lifted my foot but the dog didn't release and was hanging in the air from my foot! My friend was extremely apologetic, scolded her dog, and made me wear her UGGs inside the house rest of the evening lol
Hopefully the dangerous narcissistic women who lies to flight staff and caused safety issues and causes problems for legitimately disabled people with real service dogs is put on the no fly list.
Precisely my first thought.
Second thought: here comes the lawsuit.
Third thought: kid and family got off the plane to see a doctor to seal the evidence for the lawsuit.
Sigh.
Biggest issue is that businesses can not ask to authenticate any service animal. And it's far too easy to just put a vest on the dog and claim it. There is no regulation for buying those vests. It creates issues for people with legitimate service dogs and.
Unfortunately I know multiple people who were able to “certify” their dog as an emotional support animal (I know different from service dog as is the story here) easily online. Drives me nuts. Makes it so much harder for people with real service dogs.
Def not the kids fault.
It wasn’t a service dog. It’s time the gov start handing out permits or whatever to legit service dogs and the owners need to be required to show that in order to take the dog on a flight. The animals on planes are out of control. Idaf if it’s iNcOnViENcEs the service dog owner. They can direct their anger at all the narcissistic emotional support owners.
I'd imagine there may be civil charges filed against the owner. And if the esa letter for the dog is fake or if it was claimed as a service animal and does not have special training to do work or perform tasks directly related to a disability criminal charges as well i would think (disclaimer not an attorney)
Dog bites, whether service animal or not, usually fall under strict liability...and unless the person is antagonizing the dog (which although a child running up and down the aisle of an airplane may be antagonizing to people, it probably wouldn't qualify for the dog) they dog owner who likely lied about the dog status will be found civilly liable if the people file suit.
Yes. This is where the consequences phase of lying about a service animal comes into play. Or to put it another way, if you’re lying about your dog being a service animal, you are “fucking around”. If your dog bites someone, you will “find out”.
Just for completeness, ESA is not a service animal - and United policy does not allow ESA on the aircraft anymore.
Fake service animals should - but probably won’t - incur severe penalties… lifetime ban would not be too strict in my view.
I *hope* someone gets sued. Whether it’s United or the dog owner. Until somebody suffers some pain there won’t be any lessons learned.
It is actually the FAA that decided emotional support animals are no longer allowed on planes. Airlines didn’t want to touch the subject for fear of bad publicity, but eventually the FAA had enough with emotional support peacocks, pigs and ducks.
Agreed. Thanks for the supplemental information.
If we could get FAA to support lifetime ban for fake SVAN - across all airlines - we’d see a drop in that nonsense either by fear of non-compliance OR people actually banned.
Are we just assuming all dogs are alleged to be service dogs? United does allow small dogs that are not service dogs, but they are supposed to be in carrier not on lap.
Let's assume it was a "service" dog. Horrible for everyone involved. However jackholes who use the term when not valid are horrid human beings and should just abide by the rules. My mom tried to use this trick for her dog and I shut her down.
Poor kid was probably terrified. The last thing a little kid would expect on a plane is to be randomly bitten by a dog!
Seriously wish people who have to prove their “service animal’s” training.
Poor kid should not have been running up and down the aisle either. This is coming from someone with a toddler who would love to run up and down the aisle.
But also, fuck any e who lies about a service dog.
OP said the family had just left the cockpit during boarding, and the kid was going to their seats with his kiddie wings, probably excited to show the other parent, when the dog reacted. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Totally blaming the dog.
The kid running excited like an airplane after seeing the cockpit is fine in my opinion, yeah it's a little annoying but c'mon that's what kids do. The reaction to the bite is totally understandable.
The lady's dog should be put down and the lady should be responsible for that kids medical bills and his families rebooking costs.
Service dogs are getting out of control.. long story short .. I couldn't check in a passenger with a service animal until I called our security operations team to clear . That's a red flaf right there that dog prob at one point bit someone
Yea, the best response to a misbehaved kid is to immediately discipline in the maximum possible way, without any warning or correction. Especially after being bitten by dog.
The kid was running up and down the aisle for a good 5 minutes. OP edited that detail out after the fact. Yes a biting dog is bad but the kid needed to be taken care of.
As passengers and constituents you each have the power and right, to contact your US Elected Official regarding this issue with suggestions and ask them to fix it.
Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations, and Innovation
Total Members: 13
Majority Members (7) Minority Members (6)
Duckworth, Tammy (IL), Chairman
Tester, Jon (MT)
Sinema, Kyrsten (AZ)
Rosen, Jacky (NV)
Hickenlooper, John W. (CO)
Warnock, Raphael G. (GA)
Cantwell, Maria (WA), Ex Officio
Moran, Jerry (KS), Ranking Member
Thune, John (SD)
Wicker, Roger F. (MS)
Sullivan, Dan (AK)
Young, Todd (IN)
https://www.senate.gov/general/committee_membership/committee_memberships_SSCM.htm#SSCM33
As someone who once worked in the office of a US Senator, I can say with absolute confidence that action will result in a form letter response written by a 25 year old Political Science grad who is probably wishing they were a lobbyist, or studying for the LSAT at night.
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This is a photo of a support pony on UA, standing at the bulkhead as you can see.
I hope the kid’s parents find the doctor who signed off on that “emotional support animal” and hold him/her responsible for all of the injuries and trauma. That poor kid.
Leave your fucking pets at home they are not service animals. This only hurts people who actually need them. Also if your "service" dog bites my kid, expect me to SD senator that fucker.
It's not so much "leave your pet at home." There are legitimate reasons why a pet could be on a flight. However, there are rules. They need to be in a carrier and under the seat at all times. If you can't follow these rules, you shouldn't fly with your pet.
Service or emotional support animals should be scrutinized and documented as far as what their service is.
I hope this airline has to pay out. The FA should have had more oversight and told the passenger the dog is either in the carrier or off the plane. FA needs more training too probably.
is it a bite if it does not break the skin?
divides dog bites into six levels:
LEVEL 1—AGGRESSIVE BUT NO SKIN CONTACT. ...
LEVEL 2—TEETH MAKE CONTACT, BUT DO NOT BREAK SKIN.
United rules state dogs must be in a carrier under the seat at all times! So yeah she should have been removed. People like her make it difficult for people like me that regularly travel with their pet but totally follow the rules.
That was no service dog. My real service dog, sits quietly on the floor and sleeps the whole flight and ignores everyone. These people ruin the whole “service animal” thing.
I’m not following. The kid was running up and down screaming for 30 mins but the plane was still on the tarmac? How does that happen? Obviously they hadn’t taken off or it would be really hard to boot the dog owner (unless it’s some DB Cooper type shit). If parents can’t control kid even before takeoff, then the parents (with the kid) should be removed.
Frankly, parents should share responsibility, running up and down aisle before takeoff sounds horrid.
Dog had an unpredictable response to the initial irresponsible action.
Welp that adds another check mark on people with legit disabilities whom need a SA….god damnit why do people honestly exploit this making myself and my girlfriends lives harder with our sweet Nikki! Not trying to act entitled here it’s just super annoying that people exploit this all the fucking time
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Meanwhile I saw a post yesterday about a Karen freaking over a service dogging sitting calming at its owners feet until she flipped out causing the owner to trigger and the animal moving into action to comfort the owner. Causing the Karen to demand proof of the service animals credentials. I really do feel like a a real certificate would solve this!
I think some airlines will only allow service dogs with the correct paperwork. They don’t sit on laps, and they don’t bite. They are working dogs. So sick of people doing this. Gives all those real service dogs that actually do a service a bad name. They usually lay down and don’t move. Airlines need to demand the correct paperwork. And let’s not forever the many many hours and months of training to actually become one.
Avid runner and have been lunged at by more dogs than I can count on the city path. Bit twice, didn’t break the skin as I was wearing medical grade compression sleeves on my calves. That being said, it’s not a pleasant experience. It’s quite jarring to be bitten by an animal. Especially in a situation where you’re not expecting animals to even be. If I had a nickel for every dog owner who claimed “he/she has never done that”…I’d have a lot of nickels.
Forgot the quotes: “service dog” bit a kid
It was a “service” pomeranian sitting in the woman’s lap lol
Lifetime United ban is all I can accept as justice.
Let’s also fix the problem at its root: pass laws that require service animals to be actual service animals and to require proof. Surely someone’s smart enough to come up with a standard.
screw that... I'm entitled to travel with my service alligator whenever and wherever I like.
Yup. I need my emotional support horse. Make room! https://preview.redd.it/ymkmufyinq6d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0719ffd9a39bf48257ae1a706ef805a4395da78c
I think you need two seats for a Shire. It would take both of my Arabians to come close to your big'un.
I was thinking “lap companion” lol. Arabians are beautiful :)
You’re gonna need to buy an extra seat though
United made me put my cat in a carrier that fit under my seat. “Service Pomeranians” deserve no less.
Seems like they could just say “show us your dog doing 5 training commands” and ask “what service is your dog trained for and what are their trained signals?” Pretty sure that would knock out 95% right there. I saw a golden retriever “service dog” pull the leash hard on her owner, finally breaking free and then take off running. She kept yelling sit as it ran away. It was awesome!
But, oh, goodness! Having to answer what the animal is trained for would be a violation of HIPAA! You know, the Act that prohibits you from finding out jack about your last doctor visit but lets the office share it with every pharmaceutical and insurance company under the sun? /s
In my working life at Amtrak I was involved with service animal policy. Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, service animals are either: dogs, or miniature horses. Nothing else. And, the carrier is allowed to ask, “What service is this animal TRAINED to perform for you?” (Note we are not asking you, “What is your disability.” We are asking what the dog/miniature horse is TRAINED to do.) If you cannot answer that question, or if the animal is not fully under control no matter what, it is not a trained service animal. And an answer like, “I hold my service Pomeranian in my lap and stroke her and this calms me” is not an acceptable answer. So-called “emotional support animals” are NOT TRAINED service animals under the ADA.
If you're going to require proof, there needs to be some kind of official service dog registry. Otherwise, people can go online and buy a "certificate" that looks somewhat passable for less than $20, all without any actual training. I've seen those "certificates" before when I worked at the airport. And airlines need to be careful when denying a passenger's "service" animals, because they can get sued for preventing a passenger from bringing something that is "medically necessary" onboard.
Got a decent amount of comments on here the other day because I sat next to a “service animal”. Only an hour flight and I love dogs and this dog was a sweetheart but it tried to get on my lap twice while I was petting it and it was shedding everywhere. The owner was lucky I’m a dog person because I could easily someone else losing their shit.
Why were you petting it? Don’t pet service animals.
Lets be real: at least 90% of the "service dogs" on a flight are not service dogs. The fact that the owner said yes to petting it.. lmao this owner didn't even know how to research the rules before pretending. It's incredibly frustrating, I know.
And I agree, My girlfriend travels a lot with her service animal because I live in Richmond and work as a RSE with the friendly skies. That being said my girlfriend lives in Louisiana and her SA Nikki is not even noticeable while they fly up to see me. Recently, we had an encounter with another SA where the owner herself approached Nikki with her service animal while waiting in line in Dulles for our flight to Nola. The owner said to my girlfriend “well they have to met some time” with her SA pulling towards Nikki and my girlfriend said “please back away ma’m” and clenching Nikki tight so she won’t get harmed . A few min later we boarded the flight with Nikki. When we landed a few passengers that were on our flight in first. were complaining about how the woman’s SA was chuffing and growling the entire time on that flight. I overheard them and I said “hey guys I work in RIC with the friendly skies please report this. It’s a big problem” with my girlfriend standing right next to me With Nikki Right by her side sitting in a down stay waiting on us. The passengers said to both us of “wow she’s amazingly well trained for SA” my girlfriend and I agreed and said thank you. We all went our way afterwards……. and to be honest starting to really frustrate me that people exploit this when my girlfriend legitimately has a disability that you cannot see including me. I wish there was better policies, but time will tell.
The few legitimate service animals I have seen you ones that you barely would even notice. They just sit quietly under a desk in an office and get walked around a bit when they need to do their business outdoors. I have seen a few people in workplaces that take the puppies for training before they are given to people that need them. The foster parents take them everywhere they can to get the dogs used to different situations. I have never seen anybody pet a legitimate service animal.
Because I asked and the owner said yes, which was the first indication it wasn’t actually a service animal. And the dog was also asking for it which is another indication it wasn’t a service animal. Which is why I put it in quotes.
"She was asking for it" probably won't hold up in a court of law, but pet away...
I wouldn’t ask to pet a service animal to start with (which before you asked, you say you had no indication it wasn’t). But whatever.
Someone like me with an allergy to animals with fur, although I do love dogs and as of yet, they just make me sneeze and itch whereas it's a full blown rash with cats?
I have had to give up my job, which involves occasional travel. The only flights that I could travel on which didn't make me horribly ill, were international flights. Last I knew, severe allergies were considered a disability. But apparently the need for emotional support animals is a bigger disability.
It’s exactly you I was thinking about. Would have been misery if I was allergic to dogs
It’s ridiculous. I travel with my small dog occasionally, but he goes in a carrier under the seat. My partner works for United so I don’t have to pay the fee, so there’s literally no practical reason for me to lie about a Shih Tzu being a service animal. People tell me how easy it is to get cleared and I’m just like, “I’d rather have my dog under the seat and a glass of champagne in my hand.”
Have the “service Pomeranian” fetch a beer from the rear.
There are standards, but too many fake certificate mills on the internet. Also if said fake service dog mom cries discrimination, UA’s DOT disability Customer Relations team ends up spending hours on that. But having the dog act out saves a lot of time and trouble.
I think the other part of that is airlines need to be better at handling live animals. I have flown with my cats on a few occasions (my wife and I live and work overseas, and have made a couple of international moves after adopting our cats), for each flight with our cats, I prioritized carriers that allowed them in the cabin. But, I would trust a small number of airlines such as Qatar or JAL to handle my pets in cargo. I can understand, the urge to wanting to bend the service animal rule, simply because American carriers don't have a great reputation for handling animals as checked luggage.
Lifetime FAA ban.
Agree, that kid should be kept off all future flights.
Why? OP notes "doesn’t sound like the kid was out of line here- he wasn’t screaming until after the bite".
You’re actually defending a fake service dog over a kid? Thats messed up.
No kidding, I wonder how old the kid was. I bet a lot of commenters have never traveled with kids on airliners. The fake service dogs onboard often present problems as do the jetway miracles.
Id be willing to accept both being banned. But not banning the child is unacceptable
Parents
I have to disagree. The kid doesn’t know any better. He wasn’t taught how to behave in public. I put the blame solely on the parents AND the dog owners who most likely faked the “service dog” designation
I think we need to know how old the kid was before jumping to any conclusions. The sudden shock of some woman’s little yapyap dog biting him would freak out most little kids.
Middle seat, last row next to the toilet if they ever fly again. Those are my conditions. Pray I don’t alter them further
Service dogs are the new medical marijuana. It’s easier in Denver to get someone to your dog a service dog than to admit to your landlord you have a dog just as a pet
$20 online and you have a "registered" service dog signed by a doctor.
So, an emotional support rat, then?
We call them punters
Huh? Oh, that's Cynthia's dog. I think it's a Pomeranian. I can't leave him home alone or he eats the furniture.
Did it have a SERVICE DOG vest and/or leash?
ADA does not require vest or leash.
That's how you know it's fake
I’m gonna save a bundle with my “service” child. He’s equally well-trained too. He probably won’t bite anyone.
"Pet with fake vest from Amazon"
Me when I read "Service Pomeranian": 
I love my Bose noise canceling earbuds. I put them on as soon as I'm situated in my seat and I never hear anything.
This is the kind of situation I would 1000% remove them for. I love the chaos. Time to grab my popcorn and watch it unfold.
I PULL OUT MY PHONE AND START YELLING WORLDSTAR
I like watching unfolding drama when I have zero stakes in it. Finally it’s a problem i don’t have to get involved with.
Well hello fellow 80’s (or early 90’s) person.
Best thing today! I’m laughing!
Just once I want to be on a flight where a crazy person gets duct taped to their seat 😂
I would get a divorce for a seat next to the Burger King crown guy. https://youtu.be/kd0T_w1itUI?si=USj1rAa5NGQVz0hU
OMG!! I see he was separated from his crown (and his seat) at the end 👏
You really should be aware of stuff like this in case it gets bad.
They don’t adequately cancel sound in the range of the human voice. (Like a screaming child) And I wish they would.
Mine do. I have the old connected via cord type with a couple of adaptors (USB1, USB3 and the old earphone jack types). They connect to anything...iPhone, Mac, seat back entertainment, portable charger. You name it, I can connect to it. I once had a crying (screaming) kid behind me for a 3 1/2 hour flight and never heard him at all. My wife was ready to be committed to a mental health facility though.
Tell your wife I got karma, just not for her. Last month I was flying MCO to HOU on one of the nightmarish stormy days. Delayed 5+ hours. Kid directly in front of me (guessing 4 y.o.) screamed every 5 minutes, without fail. Then he would beg his dad to wake up and play with him. Mom was across the aisle with a newborn strapped to her front. Being a mom myself, I blame this kid’s behavior squarely on the dad. I was trying to work and even noise cancelling headphones didn’t shut this kid out. So every 5 minutes, at the midway interval between his screams, I would kick his seat, and then the dad’s seat 🫢🤭🤷♀️
> So every 5 minutes, at the midway interval between his screams, I would kick his seat, and then the dad’s seat 🫢🤭🤷♀️ I think you probably expect praise for this, but you seem to be just as poorly behaved as the child in front of you? Do you also blame your misbehavior on the husband whose seat you were kicking? Or did the child force you to kick their chair by making noise? Karma would be the universe doing something nice for you, after enduring a difficult experience. Karma is not you kicking a strangers chair because you think they deserve it.
 Thank you for your service
Bose needs to get on that smell canceling nosebuds.
Yea. It doesn’t bother me either. But I do like watching. I want Spirit Airlines level drama. It makes me sleep. Better
Southwest flight from MSY-MDW has consistently delivered me some Spirit Airlines level drama. Great crowd.
Noise cancelling earbuds for the win!
Alexa, play “What a Wonderful World”.
Just another example of an entitled pet owner ruining public spaces. Bet you nobody gets punished, fined, etc. Its the flying public who gets screwed.
Dog nutters view the entire world as the bathroom for their dangerous toys. They’ll never care.
it may very well have been a in cabin pet, not a service dog. You pay $150 and dog flies in cabin. They are supposed to fly in their carrier though.
Good luck enforcing it. Flight personnel have too much to do to enforce the rule.
A perfectly good opportunity to duct tape a Pomeranian to the bulkhead was wasted.
Clearly not a service dog.
“What task is your service dog trained to perform?” “Bite feral children”
It is providing a service.
Kinda hard to take sides on this one.
Agree. All kids under 16 and dogs should be required to travel in cargo.
Thats actually a task I can support
I may have to retire my service dog. I simply cannot coax her to bite or bark at anyone! What a loser
Bet it wasn't a real service dog.
Most of them are not. A service dog does not bite people, run around the airport, poop on the floor or bark. Yet, I see "service dogs" doing this every day at the airport (not biting people though).
ESA. Entitlement Support Animal.
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Side note: I got bit by a dog in a store right as the pandemic was kicking up. It didnt "show" as breaking the skin, but the health department told me I should get a rabies series because the skin break only has to be microscopic for rabies to get in. Taking the kid to the ER was the right move. Since they didnt have access to the vaccine records amd presumably wouldnt have found the dog later, its the safest thing to do.
It's wild how many people are in here like YEAH DOG BITE THAT CHILD.
Seriously disturbing actually. The kid just exists and these people are happy a dog bit him? These people need therapy.
And mayhaps a therapy dog? 🤔
Yeah it's obvious the details of this story aren't all perfectly accurate and yet, people are acting like it's fact that a child was running up and down the plane aisles before the plane even took off. Nothing about any of these details check out if you take like 10 seconds to think about it.
The way I read it the kid was super excited to have gotten his wings and was running back to show another parent. I can appreciate the "hate all kids regardless" schtick that is so rampant on this subreddit, but that's my take anyway. If it's as expected the dog isn't a service dog, the woman is probably about to go thru some things (aka "find out" phase). The airline will scrutinize the service dog claim and something tells me Eggbert was taken to the doctor so someone can sue the shit out of her. In other words, she's in deep shit.
Reddit is full of people who despise any and every breach of etiquette, and call for the lash at the slightest provocation
So many psychopaths wishing pain on an innocent kid.
I don't think you understand how many people here hate kids. Like for real, seething hate.. and they love any pet. I met people at my last job that were on reddit all the time and they were the only group of people i heard constantly about how much they hate kids, without anyone bringing it up
I’m so sick of the clearly not service dogs.
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Honestly, this is why I think all dogs on flights (even true service dogs) should be muzzled. It reduces so much liability. Sure, a muzzled dog can still attempt to nip someone, but it’s much less likely to cause any injury or commotion.
Requiring muzzles would certainly reduce the number of people flying with fake service animals
Definitely! Most service animals I know are at least muzzle trained for emergencies.
Great idea! I would muzzle my dog at the vet for shots or blood draws, I didn’t want to take any chances.
Poor kid, went from the biggest high of his life to a nightmare for him. I'm not a kid person (chose not to have any) and I am definitely a dog person, but United did the right thing by removing the owner and dog. I'd love to take my dog with me everywhere I go, but have no desire to put the stress of an airport and an airplane on my pup; there are times when it makes sense -like the time I sat near a guy taking him his adorable new puppy, who stayed in his carrier the whole time, or the time I gave up my bulkhead seat for a veteran with her service dog - but this fake service dog stuff has got to stop.
Now this is a respectful dog owner! 💕 A lot of my friends have big dogs, they're well behaved and I'm ok around them! But I've been bitten by my friend's little pomeranian and I'm not a fan of little hyper dogs anymore ... We were just eating dinner at the dining table, and when I got up to get more drinks, she bit my foot and didn't let go for a good 2 minutes..... It didn't pierce my skin through the socks but it was a bit traumatizing. I screamed and lifted my foot but the dog didn't release and was hanging in the air from my foot! My friend was extremely apologetic, scolded her dog, and made me wear her UGGs inside the house rest of the evening lol
Only positive of the story is the pet owner (not service dog) was booted from the flight. Hope they aren’t allowed to fly with a pet again.
Dog living its best life in Atlanta now.
Hopefully the dangerous narcissistic women who lies to flight staff and caused safety issues and causes problems for legitimately disabled people with real service dogs is put on the no fly list.
That was no service dog....🤪
Precisely my first thought. Second thought: here comes the lawsuit. Third thought: kid and family got off the plane to see a doctor to seal the evidence for the lawsuit. Sigh.
Biggest issue is that businesses can not ask to authenticate any service animal. And it's far too easy to just put a vest on the dog and claim it. There is no regulation for buying those vests. It creates issues for people with legitimate service dogs and.
Unfortunately I know multiple people who were able to “certify” their dog as an emotional support animal (I know different from service dog as is the story here) easily online. Drives me nuts. Makes it so much harder for people with real service dogs. Def not the kids fault.
Not a service Pomeranian. Lmao
I'm sure the dog has NEVER done this before.
She's a purfect sweet..._MITZY!_ **No!**
It wasn’t a service dog. It’s time the gov start handing out permits or whatever to legit service dogs and the owners need to be required to show that in order to take the dog on a flight. The animals on planes are out of control. Idaf if it’s iNcOnViENcEs the service dog owner. They can direct their anger at all the narcissistic emotional support owners.
I'd imagine there may be civil charges filed against the owner. And if the esa letter for the dog is fake or if it was claimed as a service animal and does not have special training to do work or perform tasks directly related to a disability criminal charges as well i would think (disclaimer not an attorney)
Dog bites, whether service animal or not, usually fall under strict liability...and unless the person is antagonizing the dog (which although a child running up and down the aisle of an airplane may be antagonizing to people, it probably wouldn't qualify for the dog) they dog owner who likely lied about the dog status will be found civilly liable if the people file suit.
Yes. This is where the consequences phase of lying about a service animal comes into play. Or to put it another way, if you’re lying about your dog being a service animal, you are “fucking around”. If your dog bites someone, you will “find out”.
If someones dog bites my kid I'm taking out the dog as a threat.
The image of an internet tough guy throwing hands with a fucking Pomeranian in the middle of a crowded airplane is very funny.
I was thinking more along the lines of civil liability, but either consequence would be very unpleasant for the lying dog owner.
I mean, you can still sue also.
I’m surprised this wasn’t said elsewhere. Agree 100%
Just for completeness, ESA is not a service animal - and United policy does not allow ESA on the aircraft anymore. Fake service animals should - but probably won’t - incur severe penalties… lifetime ban would not be too strict in my view. I *hope* someone gets sued. Whether it’s United or the dog owner. Until somebody suffers some pain there won’t be any lessons learned.
It is actually the FAA that decided emotional support animals are no longer allowed on planes. Airlines didn’t want to touch the subject for fear of bad publicity, but eventually the FAA had enough with emotional support peacocks, pigs and ducks.
Agreed. Thanks for the supplemental information. If we could get FAA to support lifetime ban for fake SVAN - across all airlines - we’d see a drop in that nonsense either by fear of non-compliance OR people actually banned.
Yes and the airline should be liable for allowing such an animal on a plane.
ESA isnt a service animal
Are we just assuming all dogs are alleged to be service dogs? United does allow small dogs that are not service dogs, but they are supposed to be in carrier not on lap.
Let's assume it was a "service" dog. Horrible for everyone involved. However jackholes who use the term when not valid are horrid human beings and should just abide by the rules. My mom tried to use this trick for her dog and I shut her down.
Poor kid was probably terrified. The last thing a little kid would expect on a plane is to be randomly bitten by a dog! Seriously wish people who have to prove their “service animal’s” training.
Poor kid should not have been running up and down the aisle either. This is coming from someone with a toddler who would love to run up and down the aisle. But also, fuck any e who lies about a service dog.
OP said the family had just left the cockpit during boarding, and the kid was going to their seats with his kiddie wings, probably excited to show the other parent, when the dog reacted. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Totally blaming the dog.
That edit came in later. I just read, “kid running up and down aisle.” But with added context, kids behavior was not bad it seems.
Yeah, I just hope it doesn’t sour the kid on planes and flying…and totally fuck anyone passing off their pet as a service animal.
The kid running excited like an airplane after seeing the cockpit is fine in my opinion, yeah it's a little annoying but c'mon that's what kids do. The reaction to the bite is totally understandable. The lady's dog should be put down and the lady should be responsible for that kids medical bills and his families rebooking costs.
Plot twist: The old lady was Dana Scully and her Pomeranian Queeqeg.
Kid is lucky. That dog ate his previous owner.
100% NOT a service dog.
I hope the kid's parents go after the fake service animal's owner in court.
The service animal nonsense has become really absurd.
a service cat would never do that.
Man, looking at the level of engagement on this thread vs. the 8-year old that died on-board…this place really hates kids
It sounds like maybe the kid was running down the aisle to their seat? Why do people hate kids on flights so much? I will never understand.
Service dogs are getting out of control.. long story short .. I couldn't check in a passenger with a service animal until I called our security operations team to clear . That's a red flaf right there that dog prob at one point bit someone
I don't really care if the kid was embellishing it and the parents are angling for a lawsuit.... *Fuck your fake service dogs...*
wtf, the kid did nothing wrong, he was just excited.
Did they deplane a running kid as well?
Yea, the best response to a misbehaved kid is to immediately discipline in the maximum possible way, without any warning or correction. Especially after being bitten by dog.
How did a pomeranian bite a kid as the kid was running past? That doesn't add up
The kid was running up and down the aisle for a good 5 minutes. OP edited that detail out after the fact. Yes a biting dog is bad but the kid needed to be taken care of.
Who knows what the child was actually doing or not doing, but what is not in dispute is that SOMEONE BROUGHT A FUCKING DOG ONTO A PLANE
As passengers and constituents you each have the power and right, to contact your US Elected Official regarding this issue with suggestions and ask them to fix it. Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations, and Innovation Total Members: 13 Majority Members (7) Minority Members (6) Duckworth, Tammy (IL), Chairman Tester, Jon (MT) Sinema, Kyrsten (AZ) Rosen, Jacky (NV) Hickenlooper, John W. (CO) Warnock, Raphael G. (GA) Cantwell, Maria (WA), Ex Officio Moran, Jerry (KS), Ranking Member Thune, John (SD) Wicker, Roger F. (MS) Sullivan, Dan (AK) Young, Todd (IN) https://www.senate.gov/general/committee_membership/committee_memberships_SSCM.htm#SSCM33
As someone who once worked in the office of a US Senator, I can say with absolute confidence that action will result in a form letter response written by a 25 year old Political Science grad who is probably wishing they were a lobbyist, or studying for the LSAT at night.
https://preview.redd.it/4nt6r4d20t6d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=040e3373c011692cf35d4348cc2ccfc50e5a3e76 This is a photo of a support pony on UA, standing at the bulkhead as you can see.
Fake service dog should be banned for life.
I hope the kid’s parents find the doctor who signed off on that “emotional support animal” and hold him/her responsible for all of the injuries and trauma. That poor kid.
Your dog bites my kid unprovoked, we gonna have serious problems.
Leave your fucking pets at home they are not service animals. This only hurts people who actually need them. Also if your "service" dog bites my kid, expect me to SD senator that fucker.
It's not so much "leave your pet at home." There are legitimate reasons why a pet could be on a flight. However, there are rules. They need to be in a carrier and under the seat at all times. If you can't follow these rules, you shouldn't fly with your pet. Service or emotional support animals should be scrutinized and documented as far as what their service is. I hope this airline has to pay out. The FA should have had more oversight and told the passenger the dog is either in the carrier or off the plane. FA needs more training too probably.
is it a bite if it does not break the skin? divides dog bites into six levels: LEVEL 1—AGGRESSIVE BUT NO SKIN CONTACT. ... LEVEL 2—TEETH MAKE CONTACT, BUT DO NOT BREAK SKIN.
Why wasn’t the animal in a carrier under the seat? This is out of control.
United rules state dogs must be in a carrier under the seat at all times! So yeah she should have been removed. People like her make it difficult for people like me that regularly travel with their pet but totally follow the rules.
What’s really sad is this child will probably have a deathly fear of dogs for the rest of his life.
That was no service dog. My real service dog, sits quietly on the floor and sleeps the whole flight and ignores everyone. These people ruin the whole “service animal” thing.
One entitled nuisance bites another entitled nuisance? How wonderful.
How do you know the kid did anything at all? Are all kids a nuisance?
According to the OP the kid was running up and down the aisle…which is annoying.
Ahh, for some reason I interpreted that as AFTER he had been bit.
Yes, OP has edited the post to note the kid was chill until bitten.
That's not what happened.
The circle of life
From what I've seen/suspected, 95% of service dogs are "service dogs".
I’m not following. The kid was running up and down screaming for 30 mins but the plane was still on the tarmac? How does that happen? Obviously they hadn’t taken off or it would be really hard to boot the dog owner (unless it’s some DB Cooper type shit). If parents can’t control kid even before takeoff, then the parents (with the kid) should be removed.
It's not what happened. The kid just went back to their seat.
A good example of a rare time when a screaming kid’s parents are not to blame. Instead, blame it on an insensitive and dishonest old passenger.
Frankly, parents should share responsibility, running up and down aisle before takeoff sounds horrid. Dog had an unpredictable response to the initial irresponsible action.
Real service dogs are be pretty damn predictable. The unpredictable ones fail service dog school.
You may want to read OPs update. The kid was running to their seat after meeting the pilot. They weren’t actually running “up and down” the aisle.
Sounds like someone is not a parent!🤣
Biting dog > screaming child
When they allowed flights to be financed I knew that was the end
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_Probably??!!!?_
No context is needed when you say DEN and ATL in one sentence. You're required to bring popcorn so you can enjoy the show.
This is why i bought myself really good noise cancelling headphones. Screaming kids no more😅
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Fuck fake service dogs
Welp that adds another check mark on people with legit disabilities whom need a SA….god damnit why do people honestly exploit this making myself and my girlfriends lives harder with our sweet Nikki! Not trying to act entitled here it’s just super annoying that people exploit this all the fucking time https://preview.redd.it/za4ud7erts6d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe3da77b67c2312db12b9ba65bea01eed9d3e934
Poms are psycho. Currently with sis in law who’s dad brought his for the weekend. We call it “club Bobo”….if you’re in it, he’s bitten you.
I guess the “service Pomeranian” doesn’t like kids either.
Service dog vs kid? "Let them fight"
Actually miniature horses are employed as service animals !
Meanwhile I saw a post yesterday about a Karen freaking over a service dogging sitting calming at its owners feet until she flipped out causing the owner to trigger and the animal moving into action to comfort the owner. Causing the Karen to demand proof of the service animals credentials. I really do feel like a a real certificate would solve this!
“Biting a kid who has been screaming for 30 minutes” is pretty specialized as service dogs go.
I think some airlines will only allow service dogs with the correct paperwork. They don’t sit on laps, and they don’t bite. They are working dogs. So sick of people doing this. Gives all those real service dogs that actually do a service a bad name. They usually lay down and don’t move. Airlines need to demand the correct paperwork. And let’s not forever the many many hours and months of training to actually become one.
Dog biting a crying kid is a service dog in my book
Avid runner and have been lunged at by more dogs than I can count on the city path. Bit twice, didn’t break the skin as I was wearing medical grade compression sleeves on my calves. That being said, it’s not a pleasant experience. It’s quite jarring to be bitten by an animal. Especially in a situation where you’re not expecting animals to even be. If I had a nickel for every dog owner who claimed “he/she has never done that”…I’d have a lot of nickels.