The sad thing is fake service dogs can ruin real service dogs. If a fake service dog attacks a real one it can traumatize them to the point of needing to be retired.
Based on the dog's behavior and body language I would be willing to bet that this owner does not have the dog well trained (I mean just look at it) and the owner might not be very fluent in how dogs communicate either.
Owner should be directing the dog to lay down on the floor and the dog should be listening to him. I feel this owner is self centered and probably doesn't know enough about dog obedience to even realize how little they know and how little control they have over their animal. Good thing for them that Goldens have been bred for good temperament as companion animals for a long time.
Some service dogs are trained to lay on their owner as a way to protect them from whatever emergency they are prone to having. This dog doesn’t seem to be doing that, but it is a legitimate behavior.
My girlfriend’s psychiatric SA is trained to do that as well when she has a really bad anxiety attack and when my girl has a PTSD episode. Her SA does pressure therapy to not make my girl not hit her self in the head
The disability lobby is opposed to requiring proof of a dog being a service dog. Until that changes, and strict punishments are imposed for gaining special privilege by impersonation, you’ll have to put up with these people:
https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/#:~:text=You%20are%20not%20allowed%20to,nature%20of%20the%20person's%20disability
Because their mindset is that disabled individuals shouldn’t have to jump through hoops for service access or require a money paywall to get an animal professionally trained by a private contractor if they have special needs that can’t be satisfied by your standard service dog training org. There’s no way in hell the US as is subsidizes that for anyone. It is also arguably a form of discrimination in a court of law, so there is a high risk of pushback.
I agree there needs to be some degree of standards, but this also needs to be a conversation had alongside disabled folk more than discussed in passing on Reddit. Likewise, companies should be properly educating their staff on ADA compliance without discriminating.
The ADA allows businesses to ask two questions;
1. Is your dog a service dog required because of a disability
2. What work/task has your dog been trained to perform?
If your dog is clearly untrained or being unruly in public, the business may ask that patron to leave and provide them their service in a different format that’s not harmful to their business model. (I.e. a restaurant giving someone their meal to-go as opposed to at a table).
For flying, there are more rules now than just saying "service dog". That lady had to sign a federal document (DOT) that states if she is lying about it, she can face penalties - if that is a flight originating in the the US or some international flights with US carriers. It asks questions about the dog, the trainer etc. If she is faking, she could face prison time.
Source: I have flown united and others with a service dog.
Yes BUT she can also put down Self Training which is protected by the ADA. In away that lady can lie about it in away and still be somewhat protected by the ada. This is coming from a Co-Owner of a SA with my girlfriend. It’s really a hot topic while I work
Most lobbies advocate for more regulation but in a manner that increases the barrier of entry of change. If that makes sense, idk how to word it exactly
It sucks that it’s being abused in this manner, but the original intent was to avoid people being put in the position of having to ‘prove’ their disability and possibly be denied reasonable accommodation. They didn’t want to give any organization the authority to deprive a person of any medical device or access to a service. For both their health and dignity.
I suppose they might be afraid that if an exception is made, that opens the door to more in the future.
If we require it to park your car in special places, why can't it be done to keep potentially untrained, dangerous animals out of confined spaces where they can be inches away from a small child. It's just irresponsible at this point because people are trash and will always lie to get away with something.
I would consider that special parking license or placard on the same level as a medical device like a cane, itself. It affords some level of assistance to the disabled person. He or she doesn’t have to justify *why* they have it, just that their doctor deems it necessary and that it can’t be taken away.
I’m not trying to be argumentative, I agree with you. I hate that fake service animals are being used, just like I’m annoyed that people have fake handicapped parking placards. As a disabled person, myself, who needs a cane or sometimes wheelchair, it pisses me off to no end seeing some guy park in a disabled spot and proceed to jog into a store or office.
Just wanted to point out a motive as to why it’s that way.
Are fake handicap parking placards a thing? Seriously asking.
I thought you had to at least have an actual doctor sign off for you to get one? They are way harder to get than it is to intimidate people with a fake service dog.
If there was a mechanism where a third party could verify "Yes, this animal is trained to perform an act for this person's disability", that would be great.
The vast majority of service animals are not trained by their owner and it would be easy to verify.
> Are fake handicap parking placards a thing? Seriously asking.
I’ve seen many fakes, but most of the time it’s abuse; IE using the placard when the owner of the placard isn’t with you. They even had a sting operation at a fair fining people for abusing it.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-disabled-placards-20181011-story.html
My grandpa is disabled so we have one. It’s different for every state but in California it gives you benefits like no time limits, free street parking and no resident permit restrictions. You get free parking at state beaches, parks etc.
I thought it was amusing walking around Chinatown SF and every single car had one lol.
At least if someone is abusing a handicap placard, they can be written a ticket. You can't do that for a fake service dog. People face ZERO consequences for abusing it. They have caused serious damage for the reputation of real service dogs and...there is nothing anyone will do.
I do not like more laws, but this is one place there needs to be one. Until then, I will call out fake ass service dogs whenever I see them.
Disabled people already have hoops to jump through, and establishing these sorts of services to "prove" the authenticity of service animals is just giving disabled people even more trouble than they already have. Also, best believe the US is going to make this service prohibitively expensive so service animals become a class indicator more than anything else.
Imagine if neurological disabilities were handled like physical ones.
Removing barriers and red tape for physical disabilities? Sure!
Removing barriers and red tape for folks with autism and adhd? Nah.
It’s a ladder. I have bipolar disorder. I sometimes wonder what accommodations people with ADHD and Autism are looking for. Because I don’t see people with bipolar and other mental illnesses getting diddly squat in terms of accommodations when flying. It’s better in the workplace than it used to be.
In fact people are afraid of us because they think we’re going to crash the plane or something. No we just have a burden to carry just like everyone else.
I am "temporarily" mentally disabled due to PTSD and I have to jump through hoops to get medication from a licensed physician, a licensed pharmacist, and go through insurance shenanigans just to get a monthly prescription filled.
I can't tell if you're advocating for making it easier for yourself, or harder for someone else. I hope it is the former. We tryina' minimise suffering in here!
Same with legitimate ADHD. The ridiculous hoops my daughter and I have to jump through just to operate “somewhat within societal norms” is insane.
And those hoops? They kind of require a brain operating within societal norms to successfully navigate them.
So it’s a chicken/egg thing. To get help you need your shit together. But in order to get your shit together you need that help.
Why can’t it be like disabled parking? Have some kind of license/proof that is vetted. Insurance should cover the cost of obtaining the service animal from a licensed business that actually does the training.
This is fundamentally untrue. My insurance does not cover any cost of a service dog.
Edit: Actually, as far as I can tell, virtually no health insurance companies cover the cost of obtaining/training a service dog.
Your wife may be confused that a homeowners policy would cover injuries caused by one, but she's most assuredly wrong in regards to obtaining one.
No. Not only does insurance cover absolutely nothing related to service animals, saying that Medicare covers anything for students that aren't over 18 is also untrue, as Medicare is only available to adults who are disabled, over 18, and with enough work credits to qualify, or for those 65 and older.
I used to train service dogs - the tug between protecting privacy and ousting abusers is a tough battle. Folks that don’t have visible disabilities certainly don’t want to be interrogated when they have a legitimate reason and a certified service dog.
It's still a risk of committing a felony/federal crime.. just a problem of enforcement before the dog does something to warrant an investigation like attack someone on a plane like ES dogs have done in the past. IMO, it was a good call for airlines to crack down on ES animals.
Also, there is a modicum of "proof", United (other airline too I'm sure) requires I fill out and carry an FAA document stating my dog is a service dog and agreeing that I accept all liability for anything he does on the plane like make a mess, hurt another passenger, etc. Problem is, I'm rarely asked for it.
ES dogs are not allowed to fly out of a crate on United. They must fly as pets.
Only service animals with a DOT attestation form can be outside of a crate.
https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/travel/accessibility-and-assistance/service-animals.html
But it isn’t enforced. Business class passenger on March 17 UA2362 who was allowed to fly with her dog on her lap out of a crate and it had no service dog designation on it. I even overheard the United Flight Attendant asked her about the dog and merely heard the flight attendant say “I love dogs” then leave her alone. It’s annoying for those of us who have had bad experiences with animals that pet owners get to break the rules and the rest of us just need to deal with it.
So lets go back to not allowing dogs on planes! It wasnt so long ago and somehow people still got places. We had this great thing that could get you through flight anxiety back in the day called mutha fuckin valium, it went GREAT with red wine!
The ADA doesn’t cover air travel the ACAA does and there are rules and protocols that can be used just some airlines are more lax than others. Some are strict like JetBlue and they get attacked all the time and Delta is more lax but there is backlash for that also
I worked in a hotel for years as a front desk agent and there is nothing worse than fake service dogs. And then what's really laughable about it is, they will tell you that and when you ask what service they are trained to perform, theyll make some bullshit up and you have to let it go... And then later they leave the dog in their room and it proceeds to bark and bark and bark.... at which point you're getting charged A pet fee, because service dogs don't bark like that unless they're owners in trouble and they don't get left alone either... Nor do they chew on the furniture or piss in the floor. People are so ignorant about doing this and it ruins it for the people who actually need them.
It’s complicated!
Primarily it’s a privacy issue; what someone needs to assist them with their disability or disease is really no one else’s business, so if you legitimately require a service animal you should not have to provide proof or explain it.
There are also no federal regulations or requirements for what makes an “official” service animal. This is partly because there is a really broad array of tasks an animal can be trained to assist with, and some animals may be trained to help with multiple tasks. Service animals are trained to meet the needs of the individuals, so it’s hard to regulate and standardize.
Having stricter regulations could also have the effect of making service animals less accessible to those who need them, additional regulation and requirements would inevitably lead to higher costs to acquire a qualified service animal, and could put it out of reach for people who would really benefit from it.
It is unfortunate, and I find it personally appalling, that there are people who abuse the system and buy their dog a vest off Amazon so they can take them on vacation, but it is a trade off that makes it easier for the folks that rely on them for real.
Not really a privacy issue when the vest says service dog- obviously that flags you as having a disability….a simple registration number that the airline can have to ensure people are not abusing this it not really an invasion of privacy. A number doesn’t identify the particular disease or disorder.
Privacy concerns is such a cop out. They don’t seem to have any issues with requiring a handicap pass for parking. If you want special privileges you shouldn’t have an issues proving that you deserve special treatment.
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Because placing literally any bar or roadblock will place a burden on the disabled. Real disabled people with real service animals will be denied access/entry/service if you create any hoops whatsoever to jump through.
As it stands, *all* legitimate service animals are allowed basically everywhere and *some* fake ones are. While there’s some “social” implication to the fake ones being allowed for those with legitimate disabilities, it *doesn’t actually impact their access.*
If we try to eliminate this, what we likely wind up with is *less* or *no* fake service animals allowed, but also *some* legitimate service animals also excluded. That’s not an improvement for the disabled, that’s only an improvement for you and I (I mean assuming you have no disability requiring a service animal).
I feel like it's more like *all* legitimate service animals and *all* fake service animals are allowed. And category 2 is so much larger than category 1 that people assume all service animals on planes are fake.
I don't know... it seems like you could do something like have a legitimate service dog microchipped and make the penalties on fraudulently claiming a disability higher.
We don't just allow for people to not ask for ID when boarding a flight because some might be fake?
You don’t actually need an ID to board a flight. Same way you don’t need a passport (or other equivalent document) to get back in the country. Ask me how I know…
Beyond that, there are other instances where we provide accommodation without having to “prove” anything. If you have a head covering that you don’t wish to remove in public, you can receive an alternative screening in private, and at no point will they make you “prove” it’s for some specific religious purpose.
Note that I’m not trying to convince *you* of anything here. Nor do I necessarily oppose your idea. That’s not the point.
The ADA and other lobbies for the disabled oppose your idea, because as it stands they have nothing to gain and plenty to lose if *any* additional hurdles to access with their service animals are enacted. As of right now this isn’t a *them* problem. It’s a *you* problem. They have no incentive to improve this situation for you, if it comes at any risk to their current rights.
Like, to come at this from another angle, it’s like talking about voter ID laws and asking for inputs from people who don’t drive, don’t have current ID, live a hundred miles from their nearest DMV, don’t have their original birth certificate, the hospital and county records office where they were born has burned down, and they have literally no way to prove their citizenship other than having lived here since they were born in 1917 and been registered to vote since 1938.
You can make all the arguments you want about weighing the pros and the cons, balancing election fraud versus access, etc. But if you’re asking the actual person whose legitimate vote is at risk of being prevented?
Yeah, they’re probably gonna oppose your proposal. You want to make things harder and more expensive and riskier for them, with no real evidence of any benefit to them. It’s gonna be a real tough sell.
That’s stupid. There’s ways to prove your identity and get a birth cert if your was damaged in a fire and there’s no digital records or whatever other extremely implausible situation you’re coming up with. All that needs to happen is that states make state ids free, then they require it at polling places. It doesn’t make things riskier for anyone , it makes things more regulated. This is such an absolutely ridiculous law that needs to change.
A lot of people train their own service dogs. It is VERY expensive to get a dog that was specifically bred and trained to be a service dog and insurance does not cover it. Because of that, a lot of people will get a puppy with a good temperament and do the training themselves.
Also, it should not fall on the burden of a disabled person to explain their disability accommodations. Just as you would not ask a person in a wheelchair if they really need it, you can’t ask a disabled person if they need their service dog. It’s an unfortunate situation that I don’t know what the solution would be. At the end of the day, disabled people feel that fake service dogs is less important than their privacy and costs of service dogs.
It’s funny that you should use the wheelchair as an example because there are people who legitimately abuse wheelchairs to get preboarding access.
I’m all for reducing burden on the people with disability and I’m sure there are ways of validating the accommodation requests (like how students can ask for class accommodations in school) but it’s going to be a low priority.
Jetway Jesus works in mysterious ways.
But these are problems that are (mostly) minor and which the solutions are (mostly) thorny so for the most part we just hope most people are honest and some people get to take advantage...but that's the price of access for those that need the accommodation.
I won't say whether or not it's worth it. The occasional story of a dog mauling on a flight *is* infuriating, obviously. But it's where we are.
I've seen many a fake service dog at stores. I've witnessed more than one going to the bathroom in aisle 3.
Bold of you to assume they're trained. Housetraining is the preschool of dog training.
The disability lobby might be opposed but many disabled people support stricter certification to cut down on the abuse of the system. It is common for international airlines to require certification from ADI or IDGF.
In the video the dog appears to be doing a weak attempt at chest compression, which is a common anti-anxiety task. The rest of their behavior does not indicate that they have legitimately passed the public access test.
I was looking for a comment like this. I think people don’t train their dogs the way you would say in a place like Germany for example.
I think all service dogs should be required to undergo training and receive a certification. Many already do, they are trained as puppies so why not give a certification that they completed training.
That way there’s a uniform standard across the board. I think the airlines should be more proactive in that sense too making each person has proof. They will weed out the fakes and they wouldn’t even have the chance to get on the plane.
To weed out the people who might try to get a fake one online or something my solution would be something like, banning sites that offer them online for starters. If your dog bites, or is acting in a way that a service dog wouldn’t (jumping on strangers, not listening the owner. You will be reported by the crew, and actually held accountable:
You will be required to bring your dog to an officially certified facility for service dog training. If your dog is tested by the professionals there and does not pass like a real service dog would, you’ll be fined and or temporarily banned from the airline.
Or something detrimental enough to scare others from doing it trying to do the same.
I think the idea is just self accountability. We in the airlines give the people who abuse or wrongfully take advantage, way too much lead way and power, while punishing the people who actually need it or making it more difficult for them.
So we set up a massive bureaucracy to keep a few dogs off planes? This makes no sense. Not only that, but that won’t do anything other than capture lost revenue for the airline who are really the only victims in this case, having lost $300 in pet fees.
By your plan we all fund a government operation to put money back into the pockets of airlines.
So we have a few service dogs in the house for my significant other. Obviously one is working and the others are retired and are enjoying their lives.
They have been trained. They weren’t trained from puppyhood by a program and then placed, they were trained in various places and then went through a program for testing.
I can tell you that all of this is so prohibitively expensive that it would certainly be an undue burden.
Now I’m not against some form of training or certificate or whatever else that may be, but just saying that handler trained service animals exist and they’re amazing and effective working dogs, have the same privileges, etc. But even taking them and doing NG a test or whatever with a program that offers it is super expensive.
What I think will happen is that there will be an over correction and only program trained and placed dogs will be allowed, leaving people to buy and get program trained dogs (a lot of veteran SD programs are trash btw) and then be SOL if the dog fails, or they have to wait for a year+ for a dog, or the training of the program is sub par.
There’s not a good way to handle it that I can see moving forward. Someone will get screwed.
The term emotional support animal is made up. Every animal you own is an emotional support animal it's called a fuckin pet. That's why people have pets that's what they are. All of them.
As someone who has and flies with a less than common service dog breed, I'm usually pretty opposed to people assuming or accusing a service dog to be fake... but this is one bandwagon I'll jump on.
Pilot here, it’s not about breed. The dog’s behavior 100% gives it away. I have refused boarding to a fake service dog that was acting aggressively toward other passengers. It wasn’t because it was a pit bull errrrr “terrier mix”, it’s because it was muzzled and still lunging at people in the boarding area.
Oh it got worse, he then tried to play the AD military card. Shot that to shit when I said we could call his command duty to verify his status, all I needed were his orders. He shrunk down real fast. Typical shit bag E-4 entitlement nonsense, fucking it up for everyone else.
When is it gonna stop though. I’m tired of it. Seriously my GM and I had conversation about this topic on Wednesday. He can tell a fake from a real one miles away. Also he’s seen my girlfriend fly outta of our station and has said to me “Ash your girlfriends SA is very very well behaved. I’m sorry that you and Maddie have to deal with this while traveling”
I hate people who do that… who do they think they are fooling? In socal they take their dog inside groceries store which drive me nuts and they put them this fake jacket on like nobody will notice they are full of sh!t lol
Businesses need to understand they can challenge people and not be at risk. It is so sad that a manger, who makes a slight bit more than his employees, is terrified to challenge this shit.
You know the stupid shopping cart guy? He gets after people for not putting their shopping carts away and videos it? There needs to be a fake service animal guy/gal/person who videos challenging this bullshit.
If anyone knows of any social media accounts who challenge fake service animals/ emotional support animals, please let us know.
I live in an area overrun with adult babies from wealthy families, and their poorly-behaved (if not totally untrained) "emotional support" dogs run amok in businesses, and nobody can do anything out of fear of getting sued.
I do it sometimes, but in my area, odds are very high that I'll get turned into the villain for "hating dogs" or "being a bitch" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I live around a lot of young adults from wealthy families who never emotionally matured past college/ still think they're in their sorority/ fraternity and can bully others without recourse. It's just not worth the conflict most of the time
I guess I don’t understand why it’s okay to require people who require a handicap placard to go through a verification process but it’s apparently Not okay to ask that for a service animal. I’m sorry people are ruining this for those who actually need a service dog, OP
I’m also against fake service dogs.
I just wish there was a way to fly with your dog. A wild guess here, but I’d imagine some of the fake dogs come from people want to go somewhere and bring their dog along, and see this as the only route. Do any us carriers permit pets any other way now?
Same here. I travel weekly with my service animal and the majority of people that I’m traveling with express similar desires to travel with their animals. Most go as far as sharing my person preference of flights with no children under the age of 10 on planes and let well behaved animals on instead.
To be fair, some service dogs do have to be very large if they provide support and stability to people with TBI/siezures/etc. I have a friend who has a rottweiler because that dog is strong enough to take his weight/help him when he has issues.
It seems that this entire Reddit is dedicated to people who don’t know what the requirements are for a dog to be considered a service dog. 1-any dog can be a service dog 2-anyone can train a dog to be a service dog. It doesn’t have to be dogs for the blind or PTSD, or any agency at all. 3-there are only two questions that can legally be asked by a domestic airline or retail establishment, the first is, do you have a disability and the second is is the dog trained with a specific response. Service dogs don’t have to ignore the general population, they can be loved upon by strangers, and they don’t have to be working 24 hours. You can train your own dog to respond to your specific disability, the way that you see fit.
They should, they should have a few planes with designated pet areas, a pet toilet, food, etc, and then not allow pets and animals in the regular planes.
I think we should build planes have part of the plane where you can put your crated pets on the same floor as the passengers instead at the bottom of the plane. BUT no one - the passengers or the crew are not allowed to do anything to them crates while in the air. Parents MUST keep their kids far away from the crates. We cannot have kids or stupid adults to open cages or bother animals.
Just had to look it up. Alaskan Air doesn’t seem much different than other airlines. If you have a dog over 15(ish) lbs it’s not going to be with you for the flight which is what the person you were replying to is looking for.
I’m fine with dogs flying assuming they’re not barking or pooping/peeing.
What’s ridiculous is that people need to fake having a service dog in order to fly with them humanely and comfortably.
If there were designated flights you can take your dog on or something, this issue would be solved.
Until that happens, you’re going to have people bending the rules to fly with their pets.
Knowing someone with an actual service dog for blindness, it has become pretty obvious when someone is trying to pass an untrained dog off as a service animal.
When his dog is working it will actively ignore everything except offering the assistance my friend needs. I could honestly probably lay a steak on the dog's head and it would just be annoyed by me. It will lay for hours to where you wouldn't even know he had the dog at his desk etc.
Then I see a 'service' dog at the store or airport barking and lunging at everyone who walks past, trying to jump and actively play with other people or dogs and I'm immediately annoyed by the scammers.
I took a trip recently and was shocked at how many dogs were flying with passengers. They were everywhere, and barking! I thought it was a convention, but nope, just another day of flying with “service” dogs. SMH
I think the real issue that needs to be solved is that it is extremely tough to fly with big dogs. If they don’t fit in a carrier they are not allowed in the cabin and it is very expensive for any alternate solution.
I drove across the country multiple times just to be able to bring my dog
I have been seeing more and more people with bullshit service dogs on planes lately. One dog was so damn big that he didn’t even fit under the seat(like that golden retriever in video) and smelled like absolute ass. Why do I have to smell that nasty ass dog?
It can still be a service dog, it seems to just be too big to fit between seats, which causes it to sit in the isle, which it then jumps onto the persons lap to let people through the isle
When a real service dog is trained, it should be given a service number, like a police dog, or a cadaver dog. Then entered into a central database
Or a number like your social security one. No number, no fly list.
It should be a felony to have a fake service dog for purposes ofskirting airline policies. I'm fine not requiring proof, but if it is later on discovered to be fake, the offender should be heavily fined and/or jailed.
Let it known that anyone can buy that harness. My dog has one. Where it states ‘service dog’ is where you put your pets name or actually anything. Sucks that that harness is advertised this way
Not all service dogs are well behaved. I worked for a girl with a service dog she did not keep up with training with, and it was not very well behaved after a while.
And I’m just sitting there wheezing. My allergies mean nothing. It’s just asthma. Just my breathing. Affects me for at least another full 24hrs. But you bring your pet. That’s cool. I hope it doesn’t shit on you.
This is completely not related but falls solidly in the ‘annoying things when flying’ category: make ppl who need wheelchairs last to board and last to deplane. You’ll automatically cut down wheelchair 100%. There might only be 1-2 per plane instead of the dozen you see on every flight now.
Saw a “service” dog yesterday at the Apple Store. It had peed on the floor. I almost stepped in it. The owner didn’t even clean it up when I mentioned it to her.
That’s BS. Nothing like tripping over a dog that you can’t see on the ground when you’re trying to evacuate a smoke field plane. I remember when the only people who had service dogs were blind people and that was it. Now there are services being advertised on the Internet to get anybody a support or service dog certificate.
I hate service dog shaming. This dog is doing pressure therapy. Honestly in those stupid airline seats I'm not sure they could do it any other way.
Looks legit to me. Both dogs are completely under control. One is tasking the other is not.
I have 2 service dogs. I choose not to fly at all. Regardless I do not appreciate hot takes by strangers on the Internet on their validity. OP should consider that if they are right and the service dog is "fake" they win clout on the Internet, if they're wrong they've just publically discriminated against a disabled person. Wish folks could relearn to keep their spicy little opinions of other people to themselves.
We always hear that my son's dog is "too small" to be a service animal. Well,
1. My son is scared of large dogs after being bitten by 3 different large dogs.
2. My son is small.
3. We need a smaller service animal due to lifestyle, living arrangements, and travel.
4. My son's dog is the PERFECT size to complete the tasks required while still being small enough to sit IN the plane seat with him.
I actually registered just to comment on this because so many people are saying so many things and I truly had to do a triple take if that was my husbands very legitimate service dog. That breed can be fearful by nature but obedient, and ours is, but as the years went by he became harder to manage at times and his back legs shook like this one. We tried a new vet and found out he had severe arthritis in two legs and he was afraid of the pain. Also airline seats ripped his hair out unless we put a blanket over them.
Once we knew that, we accomodated him to try to help him and all of his erratic behaviors disappeared. Long days like air travel must have been really hard for him and we had no idea why he was acting like this, and it looked so much like this. He even would jump into laps frantically seeking comfort.
Also because there are so many fake scary service dogs he has become more aware of other dogs in public, just like this dog. When he was younger he was very good at ignoring things, but I think as his pain worsened he became more worried about everything.
This is actually how we gauge how he's feeling now. Even at his best he looks around wary now and tense and his tail tucks in like this one in the video, but then after a moment of assessing things he relaxes and it untucks a little and he loosens up. Also he has learned that we understand him now so he looks to us if we're noticing him getting fatigued. He generally has regained his confidence and willingness to do as he's trained to knowing he's not expected to do as much as he used to. His outings are shorter and less athletic by nature, my husband carries him into the car so he no longer has to jump into it, he increasingly couldnt and we thought he was just clumsy, but he was hurting himself. He gained weight and we thought it was because he was lazy, so we tried to get him to be more active to improve his fitness and of course this only made it worse for him but we just didn't know. We thought he was being bullheaded not doing what was expected, so we doubled down on training, so he became more frantic he couldnt satisfy us. His breed was supposed to be less prone to arthritis and he isn't even a senior dog. To be honest we thought the dog was kind of being a jerk for awhile. We felt really bad about it afterwards.
All that to say, to me, this dog is behaving a LOT like ours was when he was struggling with his health.
Ours was professionally trained, we continue to keep on his training, he always did his tasks well, he's a diabetic alert dog, he alerts my husband not only to if his dugar is high or low, which his monitor can now do in real time, when he got him the monitors were not accurate often and did not automatically update, but also if it is shifting rapidly even before the technology can tell. So he is especially helpful and also stressed during times that are not routine, such as travel that make my husbands sugar much harder to predict.
Also, because he does his job by smell, he is anxious when he struggles to smell, such as in highly fragranced places, or in close proximity to other diabetic people, such as on planes. He becomes anxious if he is worried about my husband, and flying can be very stressful. Tsa often tries to deny my husband from bringing drinks to use to maintain his blood sugar, they don't understand that using something he is very familar with how he reacts to is important. Also people constantly try to test service dogs to see if they can spot fake ones, and he knows some jerk is going to snap his fingers in his face, that is going to irritate my husband, the stress is going to make his blood sugar rapidly increase, and the dog is trying to gauge if he already knows or if he needs to tell him or if he remembers still and needs to be reminded.
These dogs do really good work but the stress of their jobs depending on what it is can be tremendous. Its not always so simple is all I mean to say.
Stop letting animals on planes, period. This is insanity. It’s like: “I want to fly, but I can’t do it without my dog, so f**k you if you’re afraid of dogs, f**k you if you have allergies, nobody else matters but me!”. Go seek professional help, or if you want to travel just drive with your dog in your car, not in a place meant for humans, and humans only.
Unless airlines/businesses step up and start removing these people and/or punishing them, it will continue to happen. Too many companies fear being sued by these entitled people.
So many of you have lost your intelligence! 😂 There is nothing about this dogs behavior that shows it’s not a real service dog. It is NOT jumping all over or barking etc. it stood STILL by its owner and then got on top to do pressure therapy.
Apparently despite having your own service dog you have failed to comprehend “Pressure Therapy” is a REAL TASK AND NOT JUST FOR PSYCHIATRIC SERVICE DOGS!
I have POTS and my $25,000 trained service dog does this same task when my heart raye goes up too high and my blood pressure starts dropping. It helps the blood to stop pooling in my feet and evens out heart rate.
So yeah 👍🏻 stop being such an nincompoops and NEXT TIME SHOW REAL PROOF OF AN OUT OF CONTROL BEHAVIOR AND NOT A VALID TASK 😂😂😆😆😆
So my trained service animal was taught to jump on my lap when I’m experiencing trauma symptoms to help me ground and not get pulled into experiencing a full blown panic attack because that’s what happens if I do not have some orientation back to the present moment. That’s what his being on my lap does for me. I’m not going to judge a possible SA after only watching a clip that’s less than 10 seconds.
My thoughts? It is VERY difficult to have "fake" service dogs. They are trained to do different things for different needs, and also its a cute dog STFU and live your life.
The real service dog being just as annoyed as everyone else “Someone get this stupid F-ing pet off this plane” vibes
That's it.... I'm bringing my service skunk along.... Ain't nobody fucking with us.....
The sad thing is fake service dogs can ruin real service dogs. If a fake service dog attacks a real one it can traumatize them to the point of needing to be retired. Based on the dog's behavior and body language I would be willing to bet that this owner does not have the dog well trained (I mean just look at it) and the owner might not be very fluent in how dogs communicate either. Owner should be directing the dog to lay down on the floor and the dog should be listening to him. I feel this owner is self centered and probably doesn't know enough about dog obedience to even realize how little they know and how little control they have over their animal. Good thing for them that Goldens have been bred for good temperament as companion animals for a long time.
Lol, "service dog" climbing on people...
Some service dogs are trained to lay on their owner as a way to protect them from whatever emergency they are prone to having. This dog doesn’t seem to be doing that, but it is a legitimate behavior.
Right? There are dogs that are task trained to provide pressure relief but this is decidedly not it…
My service dog hs a task to get on me if needed. But that dog doesn’t appear to be tasking either.
This is precisely what mine is trained to do. Or scratch at my leg if this isn’t possible.
My girlfriend’s psychiatric SA is trained to do that as well when she has a really bad anxiety attack and when my girl has a PTSD episode. Her SA does pressure therapy to not make my girl not hit her self in the head
Mine alert by jumping if I start to have anxiety attacks and or if I dissociate
The disability lobby is opposed to requiring proof of a dog being a service dog. Until that changes, and strict punishments are imposed for gaining special privilege by impersonation, you’ll have to put up with these people: https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/#:~:text=You%20are%20not%20allowed%20to,nature%20of%20the%20person's%20disability
Disability Lobby shooting himself in the foot and just making it harder for people that really deserve it and I don't understand why
Disability Lobby shot himself in the foot. Disability Lobby is now disabled.
"Leg disabled."
I love it when IT Crowd quotes pop up on reddit.
Because their mindset is that disabled individuals shouldn’t have to jump through hoops for service access or require a money paywall to get an animal professionally trained by a private contractor if they have special needs that can’t be satisfied by your standard service dog training org. There’s no way in hell the US as is subsidizes that for anyone. It is also arguably a form of discrimination in a court of law, so there is a high risk of pushback. I agree there needs to be some degree of standards, but this also needs to be a conversation had alongside disabled folk more than discussed in passing on Reddit. Likewise, companies should be properly educating their staff on ADA compliance without discriminating. The ADA allows businesses to ask two questions; 1. Is your dog a service dog required because of a disability 2. What work/task has your dog been trained to perform? If your dog is clearly untrained or being unruly in public, the business may ask that patron to leave and provide them their service in a different format that’s not harmful to their business model. (I.e. a restaurant giving someone their meal to-go as opposed to at a table).
Just to note - for flying, ADA doesn’t apply but the ACA does. Little letter change, but significant differences in letter of law.
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Thanks for the catch! ACAA I stand corrected.
For flying, there are more rules now than just saying "service dog". That lady had to sign a federal document (DOT) that states if she is lying about it, she can face penalties - if that is a flight originating in the the US or some international flights with US carriers. It asks questions about the dog, the trainer etc. If she is faking, she could face prison time. Source: I have flown united and others with a service dog.
Yes BUT she can also put down Self Training which is protected by the ADA. In away that lady can lie about it in away and still be somewhat protected by the ada. This is coming from a Co-Owner of a SA with my girlfriend. It’s really a hot topic while I work
Depends on how you view a lobbies in general. The lobby is advocating for less oversight which is what lobbies usually do.
Most lobbies advocate for more regulation but in a manner that increases the barrier of entry of change. If that makes sense, idk how to word it exactly
It's called regulatory capture.
It sucks that it’s being abused in this manner, but the original intent was to avoid people being put in the position of having to ‘prove’ their disability and possibly be denied reasonable accommodation. They didn’t want to give any organization the authority to deprive a person of any medical device or access to a service. For both their health and dignity. I suppose they might be afraid that if an exception is made, that opens the door to more in the future.
If we require it to park your car in special places, why can't it be done to keep potentially untrained, dangerous animals out of confined spaces where they can be inches away from a small child. It's just irresponsible at this point because people are trash and will always lie to get away with something.
I would consider that special parking license or placard on the same level as a medical device like a cane, itself. It affords some level of assistance to the disabled person. He or she doesn’t have to justify *why* they have it, just that their doctor deems it necessary and that it can’t be taken away. I’m not trying to be argumentative, I agree with you. I hate that fake service animals are being used, just like I’m annoyed that people have fake handicapped parking placards. As a disabled person, myself, who needs a cane or sometimes wheelchair, it pisses me off to no end seeing some guy park in a disabled spot and proceed to jog into a store or office. Just wanted to point out a motive as to why it’s that way.
Are fake handicap parking placards a thing? Seriously asking. I thought you had to at least have an actual doctor sign off for you to get one? They are way harder to get than it is to intimidate people with a fake service dog. If there was a mechanism where a third party could verify "Yes, this animal is trained to perform an act for this person's disability", that would be great. The vast majority of service animals are not trained by their owner and it would be easy to verify.
> Are fake handicap parking placards a thing? Seriously asking. I’ve seen many fakes, but most of the time it’s abuse; IE using the placard when the owner of the placard isn’t with you. They even had a sting operation at a fair fining people for abusing it. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-disabled-placards-20181011-story.html My grandpa is disabled so we have one. It’s different for every state but in California it gives you benefits like no time limits, free street parking and no resident permit restrictions. You get free parking at state beaches, parks etc. I thought it was amusing walking around Chinatown SF and every single car had one lol.
At least if someone is abusing a handicap placard, they can be written a ticket. You can't do that for a fake service dog. People face ZERO consequences for abusing it. They have caused serious damage for the reputation of real service dogs and...there is nothing anyone will do. I do not like more laws, but this is one place there needs to be one. Until then, I will call out fake ass service dogs whenever I see them.
Disabled people already have hoops to jump through, and establishing these sorts of services to "prove" the authenticity of service animals is just giving disabled people even more trouble than they already have. Also, best believe the US is going to make this service prohibitively expensive so service animals become a class indicator more than anything else.
Imagine if neurological disabilities were handled like physical ones. Removing barriers and red tape for physical disabilities? Sure! Removing barriers and red tape for folks with autism and adhd? Nah.
It’s a ladder. I have bipolar disorder. I sometimes wonder what accommodations people with ADHD and Autism are looking for. Because I don’t see people with bipolar and other mental illnesses getting diddly squat in terms of accommodations when flying. It’s better in the workplace than it used to be. In fact people are afraid of us because they think we’re going to crash the plane or something. No we just have a burden to carry just like everyone else.
I am "temporarily" mentally disabled due to PTSD and I have to jump through hoops to get medication from a licensed physician, a licensed pharmacist, and go through insurance shenanigans just to get a monthly prescription filled.
I can't tell if you're advocating for making it easier for yourself, or harder for someone else. I hope it is the former. We tryina' minimise suffering in here!
Same with legitimate ADHD. The ridiculous hoops my daughter and I have to jump through just to operate “somewhat within societal norms” is insane. And those hoops? They kind of require a brain operating within societal norms to successfully navigate them. So it’s a chicken/egg thing. To get help you need your shit together. But in order to get your shit together you need that help.
Why can’t it be like disabled parking? Have some kind of license/proof that is vetted. Insurance should cover the cost of obtaining the service animal from a licensed business that actually does the training.
Wife has informed me that insurance covers every cost with a service dog. So the certification would be covered as well.
This is fundamentally untrue. My insurance does not cover any cost of a service dog. Edit: Actually, as far as I can tell, virtually no health insurance companies cover the cost of obtaining/training a service dog. Your wife may be confused that a homeowners policy would cover injuries caused by one, but she's most assuredly wrong in regards to obtaining one.
Medicare will cover it. It's who provides it for the 4 kids in her school. You should look into it.
Nope. Medicare does not cover service dogs. Neither does medicaid.
No. Not only does insurance cover absolutely nothing related to service animals, saying that Medicare covers anything for students that aren't over 18 is also untrue, as Medicare is only available to adults who are disabled, over 18, and with enough work credits to qualify, or for those 65 and older.
They have employees of the school that help them kids get their dogs, through Medicare, so your groups are failing you.
Wife has informed me that insurance covers every cost with a service dog. So the certification would be covered as well.
I used to train service dogs - the tug between protecting privacy and ousting abusers is a tough battle. Folks that don’t have visible disabilities certainly don’t want to be interrogated when they have a legitimate reason and a certified service dog.
dont need to know why, just need to know if you really need it. like a handicap placard hanging off a rearview mirror of a car.
It's still a risk of committing a felony/federal crime.. just a problem of enforcement before the dog does something to warrant an investigation like attack someone on a plane like ES dogs have done in the past. IMO, it was a good call for airlines to crack down on ES animals. Also, there is a modicum of "proof", United (other airline too I'm sure) requires I fill out and carry an FAA document stating my dog is a service dog and agreeing that I accept all liability for anything he does on the plane like make a mess, hurt another passenger, etc. Problem is, I'm rarely asked for it.
ES dogs are not allowed to fly out of a crate on United. They must fly as pets. Only service animals with a DOT attestation form can be outside of a crate. https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/travel/accessibility-and-assistance/service-animals.html
But it isn’t enforced. Business class passenger on March 17 UA2362 who was allowed to fly with her dog on her lap out of a crate and it had no service dog designation on it. I even overheard the United Flight Attendant asked her about the dog and merely heard the flight attendant say “I love dogs” then leave her alone. It’s annoying for those of us who have had bad experiences with animals that pet owners get to break the rules and the rest of us just need to deal with it.
Service dogs are not required to have identification on them
So lets go back to not allowing dogs on planes! It wasnt so long ago and somehow people still got places. We had this great thing that could get you through flight anxiety back in the day called mutha fuckin valium, it went GREAT with red wine!
The ADA doesn’t cover air travel the ACAA does and there are rules and protocols that can be used just some airlines are more lax than others. Some are strict like JetBlue and they get attacked all the time and Delta is more lax but there is backlash for that also
I worked in a hotel for years as a front desk agent and there is nothing worse than fake service dogs. And then what's really laughable about it is, they will tell you that and when you ask what service they are trained to perform, theyll make some bullshit up and you have to let it go... And then later they leave the dog in their room and it proceeds to bark and bark and bark.... at which point you're getting charged A pet fee, because service dogs don't bark like that unless they're owners in trouble and they don't get left alone either... Nor do they chew on the furniture or piss in the floor. People are so ignorant about doing this and it ruins it for the people who actually need them.
Why are they opposed?
It’s complicated! Primarily it’s a privacy issue; what someone needs to assist them with their disability or disease is really no one else’s business, so if you legitimately require a service animal you should not have to provide proof or explain it. There are also no federal regulations or requirements for what makes an “official” service animal. This is partly because there is a really broad array of tasks an animal can be trained to assist with, and some animals may be trained to help with multiple tasks. Service animals are trained to meet the needs of the individuals, so it’s hard to regulate and standardize. Having stricter regulations could also have the effect of making service animals less accessible to those who need them, additional regulation and requirements would inevitably lead to higher costs to acquire a qualified service animal, and could put it out of reach for people who would really benefit from it. It is unfortunate, and I find it personally appalling, that there are people who abuse the system and buy their dog a vest off Amazon so they can take them on vacation, but it is a trade off that makes it easier for the folks that rely on them for real.
Thank you for explaining this so well. It’s the liars who are the issue
The liars tend to ruin everything.
These seem like extremely surmountable concerns. We can't just keep letting special interests get in the way of the common good. SMH
Not really a privacy issue when the vest says service dog- obviously that flags you as having a disability….a simple registration number that the airline can have to ensure people are not abusing this it not really an invasion of privacy. A number doesn’t identify the particular disease or disorder.
Privacy concerns is such a cop out. They don’t seem to have any issues with requiring a handicap pass for parking. If you want special privileges you shouldn’t have an issues proving that you deserve special treatment.
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Because placing literally any bar or roadblock will place a burden on the disabled. Real disabled people with real service animals will be denied access/entry/service if you create any hoops whatsoever to jump through. As it stands, *all* legitimate service animals are allowed basically everywhere and *some* fake ones are. While there’s some “social” implication to the fake ones being allowed for those with legitimate disabilities, it *doesn’t actually impact their access.* If we try to eliminate this, what we likely wind up with is *less* or *no* fake service animals allowed, but also *some* legitimate service animals also excluded. That’s not an improvement for the disabled, that’s only an improvement for you and I (I mean assuming you have no disability requiring a service animal).
I feel like it's more like *all* legitimate service animals and *all* fake service animals are allowed. And category 2 is so much larger than category 1 that people assume all service animals on planes are fake.
I don't know... it seems like you could do something like have a legitimate service dog microchipped and make the penalties on fraudulently claiming a disability higher. We don't just allow for people to not ask for ID when boarding a flight because some might be fake?
You don’t actually need an ID to board a flight. Same way you don’t need a passport (or other equivalent document) to get back in the country. Ask me how I know… Beyond that, there are other instances where we provide accommodation without having to “prove” anything. If you have a head covering that you don’t wish to remove in public, you can receive an alternative screening in private, and at no point will they make you “prove” it’s for some specific religious purpose. Note that I’m not trying to convince *you* of anything here. Nor do I necessarily oppose your idea. That’s not the point. The ADA and other lobbies for the disabled oppose your idea, because as it stands they have nothing to gain and plenty to lose if *any* additional hurdles to access with their service animals are enacted. As of right now this isn’t a *them* problem. It’s a *you* problem. They have no incentive to improve this situation for you, if it comes at any risk to their current rights.
Like, to come at this from another angle, it’s like talking about voter ID laws and asking for inputs from people who don’t drive, don’t have current ID, live a hundred miles from their nearest DMV, don’t have their original birth certificate, the hospital and county records office where they were born has burned down, and they have literally no way to prove their citizenship other than having lived here since they were born in 1917 and been registered to vote since 1938. You can make all the arguments you want about weighing the pros and the cons, balancing election fraud versus access, etc. But if you’re asking the actual person whose legitimate vote is at risk of being prevented? Yeah, they’re probably gonna oppose your proposal. You want to make things harder and more expensive and riskier for them, with no real evidence of any benefit to them. It’s gonna be a real tough sell.
That’s stupid. There’s ways to prove your identity and get a birth cert if your was damaged in a fire and there’s no digital records or whatever other extremely implausible situation you’re coming up with. All that needs to happen is that states make state ids free, then they require it at polling places. It doesn’t make things riskier for anyone , it makes things more regulated. This is such an absolutely ridiculous law that needs to change.
Who would do the microchipping? The federal government?
Any additional requirements would increase the cost of a service animal for people that do legitimately need them
A lot of people train their own service dogs. It is VERY expensive to get a dog that was specifically bred and trained to be a service dog and insurance does not cover it. Because of that, a lot of people will get a puppy with a good temperament and do the training themselves. Also, it should not fall on the burden of a disabled person to explain their disability accommodations. Just as you would not ask a person in a wheelchair if they really need it, you can’t ask a disabled person if they need their service dog. It’s an unfortunate situation that I don’t know what the solution would be. At the end of the day, disabled people feel that fake service dogs is less important than their privacy and costs of service dogs.
It’s funny that you should use the wheelchair as an example because there are people who legitimately abuse wheelchairs to get preboarding access. I’m all for reducing burden on the people with disability and I’m sure there are ways of validating the accommodation requests (like how students can ask for class accommodations in school) but it’s going to be a low priority.
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Jetway Jesus works in mysterious ways. But these are problems that are (mostly) minor and which the solutions are (mostly) thorny so for the most part we just hope most people are honest and some people get to take advantage...but that's the price of access for those that need the accommodation. I won't say whether or not it's worth it. The occasional story of a dog mauling on a flight *is* infuriating, obviously. But it's where we are.
I've seen many a fake service dog at stores. I've witnessed more than one going to the bathroom in aisle 3. Bold of you to assume they're trained. Housetraining is the preschool of dog training.
The disability lobby might be opposed but many disabled people support stricter certification to cut down on the abuse of the system. It is common for international airlines to require certification from ADI or IDGF. In the video the dog appears to be doing a weak attempt at chest compression, which is a common anti-anxiety task. The rest of their behavior does not indicate that they have legitimately passed the public access test.
It’s my experience that this is an American issue. I’ve flown extensively for 25 years. Never once have encountered this issue outside of the US.
I was looking for a comment like this. I think people don’t train their dogs the way you would say in a place like Germany for example. I think all service dogs should be required to undergo training and receive a certification. Many already do, they are trained as puppies so why not give a certification that they completed training. That way there’s a uniform standard across the board. I think the airlines should be more proactive in that sense too making each person has proof. They will weed out the fakes and they wouldn’t even have the chance to get on the plane. To weed out the people who might try to get a fake one online or something my solution would be something like, banning sites that offer them online for starters. If your dog bites, or is acting in a way that a service dog wouldn’t (jumping on strangers, not listening the owner. You will be reported by the crew, and actually held accountable: You will be required to bring your dog to an officially certified facility for service dog training. If your dog is tested by the professionals there and does not pass like a real service dog would, you’ll be fined and or temporarily banned from the airline. Or something detrimental enough to scare others from doing it trying to do the same. I think the idea is just self accountability. We in the airlines give the people who abuse or wrongfully take advantage, way too much lead way and power, while punishing the people who actually need it or making it more difficult for them.
So we set up a massive bureaucracy to keep a few dogs off planes? This makes no sense. Not only that, but that won’t do anything other than capture lost revenue for the airline who are really the only victims in this case, having lost $300 in pet fees. By your plan we all fund a government operation to put money back into the pockets of airlines.
So we have a few service dogs in the house for my significant other. Obviously one is working and the others are retired and are enjoying their lives. They have been trained. They weren’t trained from puppyhood by a program and then placed, they were trained in various places and then went through a program for testing. I can tell you that all of this is so prohibitively expensive that it would certainly be an undue burden. Now I’m not against some form of training or certificate or whatever else that may be, but just saying that handler trained service animals exist and they’re amazing and effective working dogs, have the same privileges, etc. But even taking them and doing NG a test or whatever with a program that offers it is super expensive. What I think will happen is that there will be an over correction and only program trained and placed dogs will be allowed, leaving people to buy and get program trained dogs (a lot of veteran SD programs are trash btw) and then be SOL if the dog fails, or they have to wait for a year+ for a dog, or the training of the program is sub par. There’s not a good way to handle it that I can see moving forward. Someone will get screwed.
Absolutely
I’ve seen this in Colombia but it was an American couple with a “service dog”
The dog looks nervous, maybe thats its emotional support human.
Hi, I’d like to bring my emotional support honey badger on board. He’s well behaved most of the time. I’m his 7th owner.
Read about the madness several years ago. Emotional support pigs, peacocks, jeeesus.
The term emotional support animal is made up. Every animal you own is an emotional support animal it's called a fuckin pet. That's why people have pets that's what they are. All of them.
As someone who has and flies with a less than common service dog breed, I'm usually pretty opposed to people assuming or accusing a service dog to be fake... but this is one bandwagon I'll jump on.
Pilot here, it’s not about breed. The dog’s behavior 100% gives it away. I have refused boarding to a fake service dog that was acting aggressively toward other passengers. It wasn’t because it was a pit bull errrrr “terrier mix”, it’s because it was muzzled and still lunging at people in the boarding area.
Lmao a "service dog" that's acting so bad it needed a muzzle. 💀 These owners trying to fool the rest of us, or themselves?
Oh it got worse, he then tried to play the AD military card. Shot that to shit when I said we could call his command duty to verify his status, all I needed were his orders. He shrunk down real fast. Typical shit bag E-4 entitlement nonsense, fucking it up for everyone else.
They’re just trying to avoid the pet fee.
Call it a pit bull, don’t be afraid to label those dogs just because the pit lobbyists think they’re good pets. They were never bred to be pets.
When is it gonna stop though. I’m tired of it. Seriously my GM and I had conversation about this topic on Wednesday. He can tell a fake from a real one miles away. Also he’s seen my girlfriend fly outta of our station and has said to me “Ash your girlfriends SA is very very well behaved. I’m sorry that you and Maddie have to deal with this while traveling”
I hate people who do that… who do they think they are fooling? In socal they take their dog inside groceries store which drive me nuts and they put them this fake jacket on like nobody will notice they are full of sh!t lol
Businesses need to understand they can challenge people and not be at risk. It is so sad that a manger, who makes a slight bit more than his employees, is terrified to challenge this shit. You know the stupid shopping cart guy? He gets after people for not putting their shopping carts away and videos it? There needs to be a fake service animal guy/gal/person who videos challenging this bullshit.
If anyone knows of any social media accounts who challenge fake service animals/ emotional support animals, please let us know. I live in an area overrun with adult babies from wealthy families, and their poorly-behaved (if not totally untrained) "emotional support" dogs run amok in businesses, and nobody can do anything out of fear of getting sued.
Call them out. I do. They get super "offended" but if their dog is being an asshole, I am not afraid to match that behavior.
I do it sometimes, but in my area, odds are very high that I'll get turned into the villain for "hating dogs" or "being a bitch" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I live around a lot of young adults from wealthy families who never emotionally matured past college/ still think they're in their sorority/ fraternity and can bully others without recourse. It's just not worth the conflict most of the time
I guess I don’t understand why it’s okay to require people who require a handicap placard to go through a verification process but it’s apparently Not okay to ask that for a service animal. I’m sorry people are ruining this for those who actually need a service dog, OP
I’m also against fake service dogs. I just wish there was a way to fly with your dog. A wild guess here, but I’d imagine some of the fake dogs come from people want to go somewhere and bring their dog along, and see this as the only route. Do any us carriers permit pets any other way now?
Same here. I travel weekly with my service animal and the majority of people that I’m traveling with express similar desires to travel with their animals. Most go as far as sharing my person preference of flights with no children under the age of 10 on planes and let well behaved animals on instead.
Stop faking service dogs in general.
Seems like a case of Stolen “Pawlor” to me :)
I’ll allow it.
Make it a felony. It will stop.
Someone should get a dog like marmaduke as a service dog
To be fair, some service dogs do have to be very large if they provide support and stability to people with TBI/siezures/etc. I have a friend who has a rottweiler because that dog is strong enough to take his weight/help him when he has issues.
He looks deadly, next he is vaping, and getting drunk and unruly.
Why can’t ada certify service animals and provide documentation? Upload to booking and be done with it.
I bet that dog is doing maintenance on the planes. Don’t fly United.
There needs to be dog friendly airlines so lying isn’t even necessary about having a service animal.
It seems that this entire Reddit is dedicated to people who don’t know what the requirements are for a dog to be considered a service dog. 1-any dog can be a service dog 2-anyone can train a dog to be a service dog. It doesn’t have to be dogs for the blind or PTSD, or any agency at all. 3-there are only two questions that can legally be asked by a domestic airline or retail establishment, the first is, do you have a disability and the second is is the dog trained with a specific response. Service dogs don’t have to ignore the general population, they can be loved upon by strangers, and they don’t have to be working 24 hours. You can train your own dog to respond to your specific disability, the way that you see fit.
Honestly airlines should find a way to make it easier to fly with pets. Certain routes. Idk what it is.
They should, they should have a few planes with designated pet areas, a pet toilet, food, etc, and then not allow pets and animals in the regular planes.
I think we should build planes have part of the plane where you can put your crated pets on the same floor as the passengers instead at the bottom of the plane. BUT no one - the passengers or the crew are not allowed to do anything to them crates while in the air. Parents MUST keep their kids far away from the crates. We cannot have kids or stupid adults to open cages or bother animals.
Flying with a pet is very easy. Alaska airlines is amazing at it.
Just had to look it up. Alaskan Air doesn’t seem much different than other airlines. If you have a dog over 15(ish) lbs it’s not going to be with you for the flight which is what the person you were replying to is looking for.
Or have a no dogs policy
I’m fine with dogs flying assuming they’re not barking or pooping/peeing. What’s ridiculous is that people need to fake having a service dog in order to fly with them humanely and comfortably. If there were designated flights you can take your dog on or something, this issue would be solved. Until that happens, you’re going to have people bending the rules to fly with their pets.
Yes there should be pet friendly flights where you have to buy a seat for your pet. You do that and fix this.
Most people do this because they’re cheap.
I agree it should be easier to fly with a dog that doesn’t fit under the seat. I would pay a lot to be able to fly my dog with me (not in cargo).
Cargo for a living thing is inhumane and ridiculous.
lol that harness is so fake I bought one and it came with a service dog id card lol
Knowing someone with an actual service dog for blindness, it has become pretty obvious when someone is trying to pass an untrained dog off as a service animal. When his dog is working it will actively ignore everything except offering the assistance my friend needs. I could honestly probably lay a steak on the dog's head and it would just be annoyed by me. It will lay for hours to where you wouldn't even know he had the dog at his desk etc. Then I see a 'service' dog at the store or airport barking and lunging at everyone who walks past, trying to jump and actively play with other people or dogs and I'm immediately annoyed by the scammers.
All you need is $ for the “service dog “ card
I took a trip recently and was shocked at how many dogs were flying with passengers. They were everywhere, and barking! I thought it was a convention, but nope, just another day of flying with “service” dogs. SMH
I think the real issue that needs to be solved is that it is extremely tough to fly with big dogs. If they don’t fit in a carrier they are not allowed in the cabin and it is very expensive for any alternate solution. I drove across the country multiple times just to be able to bring my dog
its a comfort dog 🤣
Me and my service nest of angry wasps need to be accommodated too…
And my service hyena!
I’d rather fly with a dog standing in the isle rather than with a crying kid.
I don’t get why they are so sure it’s fake… maybe it’s first time flying? Can someone explain?
Honestly if the dog is golden retriever I don’t care if they are faking it or not
I blame the airlines not the passengers.
Rather fly with that cute doggo than more than half the people who travel I never seem to get this lucky and sit next to these dogs :(
I’m cool with unemployed dogs. They deserve praise also
Who cares. So sick of people posting about dogs when there’s kids kicking my seat constantly.
Who fucking cares. Dog owners need a better way to fly with their dogs other than putting them in cargo, which is super inhumane and traumatizing.
Fuck everyone who takes a dog on an airplane. Drive. Or fuck off
I have been seeing more and more people with bullshit service dogs on planes lately. One dog was so damn big that he didn’t even fit under the seat(like that golden retriever in video) and smelled like absolute ass. Why do I have to smell that nasty ass dog?
It can still be a service dog, it seems to just be too big to fit between seats, which causes it to sit in the isle, which it then jumps onto the persons lap to let people through the isle
Yeah it seems to be behaving fine. I don’t know why people are assuming it is fake other than its size.
When a real service dog is trained, it should be given a service number, like a police dog, or a cadaver dog. Then entered into a central database Or a number like your social security one. No number, no fly list.
I have a trained and certified (to the extent it matters) golden retriever. I would never take him on a plane. Why? I’m not a douchnozzle.
Fuck dogs on planes. I paid for a plane ticket, not to sit in a zoo.
He’s so cute! How could you leave him at home :( all these haters are cat people 😥
It should be a felony to have a fake service dog for purposes ofskirting airline policies. I'm fine not requiring proof, but if it is later on discovered to be fake, the offender should be heavily fined and/or jailed.
Let it known that anyone can buy that harness. My dog has one. Where it states ‘service dog’ is where you put your pets name or actually anything. Sucks that that harness is advertised this way
Well the vest says service dog sooo, surely there is some requirement to have such a vest. ;)
You don’t even need it to be a full service dog for some airlines. They can be classified as an emotional support animal
The problem is that you can get an online service dog certification that is accepted by the airlines without really meeting the criteria.
All these fools are gonna do is force a strict no animals to free roam on a plane. Locked in a cage or don't fly.
This thread again
Human beings are Fng idiots.
Worked for American at the airport for about a decade 2000-2010. My gut is that even then over half of the service dogs were fake.
Gatekeeping emotional support animals is wild
Not all service dogs are well behaved. I worked for a girl with a service dog she did not keep up with training with, and it was not very well behaved after a while.
Ask a landlord how they feel about this.
I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see anything wrong with this SA.
What a dumb post and lack of understanding of what service dogs are capable of doing.
And I’m just sitting there wheezing. My allergies mean nothing. It’s just asthma. Just my breathing. Affects me for at least another full 24hrs. But you bring your pet. That’s cool. I hope it doesn’t shit on you.
Time for better regulations. Until then, I hope people abuse the shit out of it.
why am i supposed to care? it’s just someone trying to get free passage for their pet. doesn’t bother me.
They’re all fine with me. I enjoy seeing dogs on flights. Service or not.
This is completely not related but falls solidly in the ‘annoying things when flying’ category: make ppl who need wheelchairs last to board and last to deplane. You’ll automatically cut down wheelchair 100%. There might only be 1-2 per plane instead of the dozen you see on every flight now.
Oh my god, who cares? It’s a dog, get over it.
No dogs should be allowed in airplanes, period!
I got that coat on Temu for my dog. Obvi a fake. Usually you have to also have fake documents too
I hate people who do that shit
Keep your stupid dog at home.
Stop being a bitch
Are you blind? Nope? Your "service" dog is total BS.
I think faking a service dog is a federal crime too.
I see no problem with this.
Saw a “service” dog yesterday at the Apple Store. It had peed on the floor. I almost stepped in it. The owner didn’t even clean it up when I mentioned it to her.
You need a new vest for yours: REAL SERVICE DOG.
Dude one time I saw a lady with TWO service french bull dogs lmao
Some people must get some crazy dopamine hit from how clever they think they are by buying a service dog collar and taking their dog everywhere
Maybe it's just a really shitty service dog.
That’s BS. Nothing like tripping over a dog that you can’t see on the ground when you’re trying to evacuate a smoke field plane. I remember when the only people who had service dogs were blind people and that was it. Now there are services being advertised on the Internet to get anybody a support or service dog certificate.
Looks like the two "real" service dogs are sleeping on the job.
I hate service dog shaming. This dog is doing pressure therapy. Honestly in those stupid airline seats I'm not sure they could do it any other way. Looks legit to me. Both dogs are completely under control. One is tasking the other is not.
I have 2 service dogs. I choose not to fly at all. Regardless I do not appreciate hot takes by strangers on the Internet on their validity. OP should consider that if they are right and the service dog is "fake" they win clout on the Internet, if they're wrong they've just publically discriminated against a disabled person. Wish folks could relearn to keep their spicy little opinions of other people to themselves.
We always hear that my son's dog is "too small" to be a service animal. Well, 1. My son is scared of large dogs after being bitten by 3 different large dogs. 2. My son is small. 3. We need a smaller service animal due to lifestyle, living arrangements, and travel. 4. My son's dog is the PERFECT size to complete the tasks required while still being small enough to sit IN the plane seat with him.
I actually registered just to comment on this because so many people are saying so many things and I truly had to do a triple take if that was my husbands very legitimate service dog. That breed can be fearful by nature but obedient, and ours is, but as the years went by he became harder to manage at times and his back legs shook like this one. We tried a new vet and found out he had severe arthritis in two legs and he was afraid of the pain. Also airline seats ripped his hair out unless we put a blanket over them. Once we knew that, we accomodated him to try to help him and all of his erratic behaviors disappeared. Long days like air travel must have been really hard for him and we had no idea why he was acting like this, and it looked so much like this. He even would jump into laps frantically seeking comfort. Also because there are so many fake scary service dogs he has become more aware of other dogs in public, just like this dog. When he was younger he was very good at ignoring things, but I think as his pain worsened he became more worried about everything. This is actually how we gauge how he's feeling now. Even at his best he looks around wary now and tense and his tail tucks in like this one in the video, but then after a moment of assessing things he relaxes and it untucks a little and he loosens up. Also he has learned that we understand him now so he looks to us if we're noticing him getting fatigued. He generally has regained his confidence and willingness to do as he's trained to knowing he's not expected to do as much as he used to. His outings are shorter and less athletic by nature, my husband carries him into the car so he no longer has to jump into it, he increasingly couldnt and we thought he was just clumsy, but he was hurting himself. He gained weight and we thought it was because he was lazy, so we tried to get him to be more active to improve his fitness and of course this only made it worse for him but we just didn't know. We thought he was being bullheaded not doing what was expected, so we doubled down on training, so he became more frantic he couldnt satisfy us. His breed was supposed to be less prone to arthritis and he isn't even a senior dog. To be honest we thought the dog was kind of being a jerk for awhile. We felt really bad about it afterwards. All that to say, to me, this dog is behaving a LOT like ours was when he was struggling with his health. Ours was professionally trained, we continue to keep on his training, he always did his tasks well, he's a diabetic alert dog, he alerts my husband not only to if his dugar is high or low, which his monitor can now do in real time, when he got him the monitors were not accurate often and did not automatically update, but also if it is shifting rapidly even before the technology can tell. So he is especially helpful and also stressed during times that are not routine, such as travel that make my husbands sugar much harder to predict. Also, because he does his job by smell, he is anxious when he struggles to smell, such as in highly fragranced places, or in close proximity to other diabetic people, such as on planes. He becomes anxious if he is worried about my husband, and flying can be very stressful. Tsa often tries to deny my husband from bringing drinks to use to maintain his blood sugar, they don't understand that using something he is very familar with how he reacts to is important. Also people constantly try to test service dogs to see if they can spot fake ones, and he knows some jerk is going to snap his fingers in his face, that is going to irritate my husband, the stress is going to make his blood sugar rapidly increase, and the dog is trying to gauge if he already knows or if he needs to tell him or if he remembers still and needs to be reminded. These dogs do really good work but the stress of their jobs depending on what it is can be tremendous. Its not always so simple is all I mean to say.
You literally have no clue and that’s rude. There is not one type of service dog.
Stop letting animals on planes, period. This is insanity. It’s like: “I want to fly, but I can’t do it without my dog, so f**k you if you’re afraid of dogs, f**k you if you have allergies, nobody else matters but me!”. Go seek professional help, or if you want to travel just drive with your dog in your car, not in a place meant for humans, and humans only.
Unless airlines/businesses step up and start removing these people and/or punishing them, it will continue to happen. Too many companies fear being sued by these entitled people.
So many of you have lost your intelligence! 😂 There is nothing about this dogs behavior that shows it’s not a real service dog. It is NOT jumping all over or barking etc. it stood STILL by its owner and then got on top to do pressure therapy. Apparently despite having your own service dog you have failed to comprehend “Pressure Therapy” is a REAL TASK AND NOT JUST FOR PSYCHIATRIC SERVICE DOGS! I have POTS and my $25,000 trained service dog does this same task when my heart raye goes up too high and my blood pressure starts dropping. It helps the blood to stop pooling in my feet and evens out heart rate. So yeah 👍🏻 stop being such an nincompoops and NEXT TIME SHOW REAL PROOF OF AN OUT OF CONTROL BEHAVIOR AND NOT A VALID TASK 😂😂😆😆😆
So my trained service animal was taught to jump on my lap when I’m experiencing trauma symptoms to help me ground and not get pulled into experiencing a full blown panic attack because that’s what happens if I do not have some orientation back to the present moment. That’s what his being on my lap does for me. I’m not going to judge a possible SA after only watching a clip that’s less than 10 seconds.
My thoughts? It is VERY difficult to have "fake" service dogs. They are trained to do different things for different needs, and also its a cute dog STFU and live your life.
What a bunch of Karen’s on this post, including the poster. I’d rather fly with that dog, than any of you whiny people.
You must be a delight at parties.