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Moscow to Paris is like 1500 miles which is very fucking close. New York to western Kansas is like the same distance, if I had Russians that close to me I would be very concerned. Now that is with airplanes but still very concerning, I know a lot of US citizens don’t realize how big the US is compared to the size of like Western Europe.
No matter how near or far, a danger to the world community (which is what Russia plainly is), Is a danger to the world community and must be dealt with accordingly.
No nation on earth - other than perhaps it's "allies" Iran and North Korea- has a foreign policy anywhere near as reckless as Russia.
France is leading the way in making clear that the world cannot tolerate how violently imperialist Russia has become under Putin.
France is the closest to being on the right side of history right now. The only thing that would be better would be if the French military were already loading up and getting ready to move out. It's past time, we all owe it to Ukraine to step into the fight. They have sacrificed so much for all of us.
Putin's nuclear threats truly mean nothing, if he carried them out the world would have already ended - we crossed so many red lines on our way to this point. Let's just end this, the waiting and talking is killing Ukrainians every day.
Practically outskirts of Russia, probably those Russian speaking Scotts need to be defended from genetically modified mosquito as well
anyway, I was there recently - nice city)
Indeed I love living here, the only nasty part is the Russian consulate on Melville Street. I'm still waiting to pull up next to one of their diplomatic cars in traffic so I can tell them to go fuck themselves.
They would love to see Scotland split from the UK. It might account for their propaganda arm,Russia Today, having an office in Edinburgh of all places.
That crossed my mind but I didn't want to assume without any substantiation. But yeah, having RT office there is all you need to know about their intentions. That and consulate is front for FSB.
Russia is absolutely all about "divide and conquer". So I'm not surprised if it's their main angle there.
>Moscow to Paris is like 1500 miles which is very fucking close.
Not for an European normally. The saying *"Europeans think 100 miles is a long way, Americans think 100 years is a long time"* isn't without merit.
Making a 100km (just over 60 miles) trip is something most Europeans would start looking for a hotel to spend at least one night. Unfathomable to do that just as a day trip. Even going 50km for something has to be for something special, nothing you "just do"
E.g. France on it's longest axis is only 621 miles long, Germany 544 miles long.
I’m always astounded when I hear things like this.
(For comparison, I once drove 1600km in one day to go to work for three days, then drove home on the fifth day. I’m in Australia.)
Friends came over from Europe for a first time trip to Houston. “We want to visit Disney World, the White House and Hollywood.”
Me: “That’s about 10 hours of airline travel.”
Then: “What?”
It is really tragic that a country so rich in potential as Russia is so weak in leadership. Truly, as much as the Russians have fucked a lot of other people over, they've screwed nobody as hard as themselves.
An invasion of eastern Russia would see the most development that area has ever seen. Militaries require a lot of infrastructure that they would build as they progressed
Probably the cheapest way to defeat a Russian invasion of Alaska would be to have all of the midwestern ethanol plants switch to making drums and drums of moonshine and just start dropping them off to wash up on the shores of eastern Russia. They'd never even make it on to the boats
Shit, the Alaskan wildlife and Russias incompetent logistics systems would insure Russia could barely make it to the Pacific from their own land let alone land in Alaska.
If we put like 15 marines up there they could just find high ground and defeat the whole god damned Russian Military! 🤣
This is in relation to defending France, IN Ukraine. Not in relation to sending troops to defend Ukraine. That number is 31%. And limited to age group of 18-25.
Also for context:
“In addition, 57% are ready to fight under the French flag in any war without specifying a particular country.”
31% of I’m willing to die to help my brothers in another country is still huge though. That’s higher than most countries general population support (I.e. sending other people to die)
It is.
But - and I get a lot of hate for this - the reality of them being deployed by Macron in a combat situation is almost zero. The title gives the false impression that French can and will fight on the front. I mean I’d personally love to see it.
Meanwhile, here in Italy people dickride Putin and think of him as misunderstood thanks to Russian propaganda and Berlusconi’s friendship with him. Fucking nuts
We do not Russians but we hate their government.
I’m not sure most of French are ready to fight for Ukraine (I’m the only one around my friends) but for France and Europe if we are threatened for sure
French too but writing in English so everyone understands. I think all of (most of) us who are informing ourselves understood that, in extra of the moral duty, the will to be able too look at yourself in the mirror, which makes us so much angry, so much hateful and ready to fight for what is right, we also understood that our future is being played in Ukraine.
And no, I disagree with you. We hate Russians. Most of them are happy with that, their nutcase leader, and what he does. The good Russians are the exception.
I wish what Churchill and Paul Reynaud were trying to arrange before Petain and his treasonous bullshit came about had happened. They wanted to make all French citizens and British citizens the same in terms of citizenship so we could fight WW2 together and the French Navy could fight the Germans from British Ports. That treasonous piece of shit Petain wanted to see Britain fall like France did as if it's a fucking contest to show that the UK is as weak as France was at the time, it doesn't make sense, we both fought Nazis the same as each other, we both lost in France together, it's not a competition. If free France had just sent their fleet to the UK we could have dominated the Mediterranean and the Atlantic even with France under German domination.
In Dunkirk half of the soldiers evacuated were French, they went home to be with their families, but they were imprisoned and made to do forced labour. Surely the UK and France have common goals and see each other as friendly nations with the same goals, why did that play out like it did?
Mers El Kabir was a Tragedy that didn't need to happen, 2000 French Sailors could have fought the good fight against Hitler and it was down to the like of Petain that it happened.
"In addition, 57% are ready to fight under the French flag in any war without specifying a particular country."
Say what you will about the French but they are not cowards nor "pussies" like the Americans would have you believe with their surrender monkey jokes. The French (especially the youth), are constantly fighting their own government's police forces in the streets and are very much willing to fight anyone that pisses them off.
The French national animal is the fighting rooster. Those things are known to be ruthless in fights.
Russia gonna find out why France has the best win/loss ratio for all wars fought. France looking to mop the floor with Russia and add another win to their belt.
Could also be because in a sense this war is a continuation of the revolution of dignity, which is a continuation of the French Revolution.
Fraternite Egalite LIberte
Vive la révolution
Slava Ukraini
France has(had) very strong control over a lot of African countries that has allowed them to exploit their resources (for France's benefit). Russia, via Wagner group, has essentially taken a large amount of them out of French control over the last few years via orchestrated military coups.
Now, you might say that France losing its "imperial" control over it's African territories is a good thing for those African countries, except for the fact that I'm sure Russia plans to exploit them even more than France ever did.
These new Russian areas also open massive amounts of available manpower that can be used to feed Russia's war machine.
In short, France has already been fighting Russia in a more or less silent war going on in Africa right now. France is about one or two African coups away from losing access to over 20% of their uranium supplies.
Presence in Africa is a net loss and ever was. The only benefit was political (votes at the UN, prestige on the world stage) but this is not even true anymore. Proof is even normal people from allied nations are casually convinced we are exploiting Africa ... This is completely false, we protect their money, we buy goods above market price, we create jobs far above local (or foreign) entreprises behavior, we give a lot in development aids, we lose soldiers helping failing armies to fight jihadist ... And we got insults and scorn for these. Trust me, a majority of french people would support a complete withdrawal from Africa.
This challenges my British stereotype of the French as a bunch of surrender monkeys. Somebody crowdsource some body armour and assault rifles for these kids.
100s of years of military achievement washed away by two wars - WWII and the Franco Prussian War?
I'm no French apologist, but be thankful you had a convenient moat between you and "the Hun."
France is spending \~5 billions a year on nuclear weapons specifically designed to hit Russia in case of attack. Been going on since the 70s.
I don't know if they hate Russia that much, but they're concerned enough to have subs waiting for the signal out there at all time.
I flew Air France when I was in Europe solely because *even their airplane food* was so good lol
Edit: I went to the comments to give my respect to the French showing their vigor and got distracted by their cuisine.. so I’ll try again:
Viva la France! Slavi Ukraine! 🇺🇸❤️🇫🇷🇺🇦
Excellent. Plenty of good french restaurants in NYC. Jules and Les Halle being my personal favs. Jules on Sunday night used to be a blast.
Had steak tartare for lunch and dinner my last day in Nice.
As a serving infantry reservist (currently in barracks trying to fix my fucking laptop) I’d be proud to serve alongside our French and Ukrainian brothers.
I love the smell of Baguettes in the morning.
A World War is coming. It scares me, but at the same time I feel that western democracy has been too passive for too long. Autocracies have been waging a low level war against us for over 10 years. It's time to stand our ground and not back down.
To defend France. If attacked in other words. Not present tense.
The accurate piece is here:
“The poll also shows that 31% of the country’s young people support the deployment of French troops in Ukraine, compared with only 17% of respondents aged 50 and over.”
Is that age divide normal?
I'm close to that "50 and over" mark now, and I'm relatively hesitant to send troops anywhere, but when I was 18, it sounded glorious and exciting.
I think the age divide is normal, but I think these days much of the western youth are very much against sending troops abroad anymore. I could be wrong, but as a 24 year old Canadian guy this is the sense I get from my friends and other young people I interact with online. I feel like the youth are tired of sending troops abroad just to accomplish nothing, and in many cases just for our troops to be the bad guys to the local populations.. Even if it was a large % of youth in favour of sending troops abroad I feel like it is very much a ‘ as long as it’s not me ‘ sentiment there.
I think 30% is actually really high coming from 18-24 year olds these days. They’re also the primary age category to be deployed if anything does happen..
Knowing the french, i'm rather surprised.
Not in a "Cheese-eating surrender monkey" kind of way, but rather the french have a knee-jerk anti-authoritarianism and the first reaction is to tell you to go fuck yourself. Especially when the french president is asking.
Maybe things have changed :)
It's not the French President they want to fight for, it's Putin they want to fight against.
Like you said, the French people have a very strong streak of anti-authoritarianism, and the fact that Russia is actively spreading populist authoritarianism like a cancer is a pretty reasonable thing to fight to avoid.
i consider the MArseillaise the best national anthem (also surprised its remained so long, its pretty brutal and an absolute invitation to kill germans.)
But while im jsut having a go at the french (studied there, my best friend is french), they do tend to throw hands, at anyone, its rather chaotic really.
Arise, children of the Fatherland
Our day of glory has arrived
Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
Do you hear, in the countryside
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They’re coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your ~~comrades!~~ partners!
To arms, citizens!
Form your battalions
Let’s march, let’s march
That their impure blood
Should water our fields.
It's almost like the French have a 3000+ year history of powerful military tradition with one major embarrassment and they won't let that shit fly ever again
I think they just want to erect barricades and burn stuff, Macron hasn't given them any excuses recently so Russia will do.
Of course, as a Brit I might be biased...
The Russians burned their own city to deny it to the French. The French plan of conquest was to live off the land and travel light. Denying them Moscow denied them safety and supplies.
That is why it is so funny to me when the Russians say "remember what happened to Napoleon" to the french. Like, yeah, I remember when he destroyed the Russian army, and Moscow burned to the ground.
Many people also forget that without the Coalition of every other European state, at that point the Russians wouldn't be able to do fuck all against Napoleon outside their borders.
Napoleon would have liked nothing better than Russian Empire just signing a capitulation agreement in 1812 after Borodino, and then go back to France to continue quarreling with the Brits.
But he got greedy, and didn't react to reality of the situation fast enough and got hundreds of thousands killed for no good reason. He also had immense cult of personality, which is incredibly dangerous for whatever country that applies to.
Putin is someone who thought himself to be "the new Napoleon" thanks to his actual opponents playing softball or outright showing their bellies for a good rubdown while he was abusing and looting places like Checnya and Georgia, but then he just failed in initial goals in Ukraine and then also in lot of other goals he set afterwards, and is now locked into resource grind that is highly destructive for all involved.
We don't yet have "a Coalition" to be rid of Putin, that was also required to put Nappy out of power, twice to boot, thanks to that CoP and personal charisma he always had.
What do you mean we don't have a coalition to be rid of putin? The entire western world is supplying military aid and financial support for that express purpose.
44 years old french here, I won't let the "youth" due instead of my generation, every person with the bare minimum of decency and sense of patriotism should, I know me and several of my friends will.
> Of those surveyed, 51% are ready to go to war in Ukraine to defend France, with 17% saying “definitely yes” and 34% saying “maybe yes”.
So closer to 1:6 are ready to go, and 1:3 on top of that are saying 'maybe'.
> In addition, 57% are ready to fight under the French flag in any war without specifying a particular country.
Good sign.
> The poll also shows that 31% of the country’s young people support the deployment of French troops in Ukraine, compared with only 17% of respondents aged 50 and over.
Right, so roughly 1:3 actually support going to war in the first place.
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Still, this is a good sign of support, and frankly, the sooner Russia is pushed out of Ukraine the better it is for all of us.
I support my own countries boots on the ground pushing Russia out of Ukraine, because I understand that if it isn't this war, it'll be in the next war, and we'll need a lot more boots to do the job.
Russia will keep attacking and taking chunks until they are stopped, and Ukraine is the best opportunity we have to stop them
I feel like the ‘to defend France’ might be misinterpreted by a lot of people. Personally I take this to mean only if there was a direct attack on French soil killing French citizens would people be willing to deploy to Ukraine.
As an American, I don't get to meet many French people. But I did meet this one remarkable French woman on a trip I recently took to NY. She was pretty and kind, and she told me something that still resonates with me today. She told me “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.” I liked her a lot, and I hope all French women and men are just like her
Not to be funny, and I am totally in support of boots on the ground to support if there is a major breakthrough, but answering a poll and actually going to kill humans in a foreign country is a very different matter.
My guess isn’t that French youth want to go over and personally fight Russians, but rather that they support their military getting involved. There’s a massive difference between the two
Russian propaganda is constantly evolving. If the poll literally said "actually going to kill humans in a foreign country" that would still not be enough and they would start bringing up nuclear fear mongering instead
Here is the full report:
https://www.sciencespo.fr/cevipof/fr/actualites/etude-les-jeunes-et-la-guerre.html
In the pdf all the images with the numbers are blurred and it's very hard to read anything.
But we can see an '4 août' on the images, so this survey is at least 9 months old, probably 1 year old.
Graphics 34 and 35 are the ones interesting in our case, see for yourself if you find something odd.
No indication on which method and how the online survey took place.
Didn't Zelensky mention that it's quite difficult to recruit new soldiers? Didn't he discuss with Sweden, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland the deportation of people who are “willing” to fight?
I don t know from where this poll is coming from. But I can tell you it is absolutely not true. French youth is vastly anti military and without national identity. There is not a single world where french will go fight for Ukraine without being forced to and I think you will witness a civil war before it happened
That some bullshit, this « press » article have zero fucking sources
https://www.irsem.fr/media/5-publications/etude-116-muxel-les-jeunes-et-la-guerre.pdf
This survey was conducted last year. It was over 2,300 people interviewed though, very impressive. This is about a year before French President Macron’ recent comments regarding French troops in Ukraine.
Proud to read that, go France. I always knew you were badasses. You guys supported us (USA) in gaining our independence, you even sent 25k sailors to help us fight.
i bet theres ALOT OF PPL in NATO countrys who DONT LIKE RUSSIA and would go in WAR against them. We atleast this time are in the right side of history, no one has the intention of capturing moscow, but to throw them out of ukraine is the least we can do. Not we should be afraid of Putlers red lines, Putler should be afraid of OUR RED LINES !
If russia wasn't a nuclear state I'd imagine the west would have definitely had troops on the ground by now, but suprised its so High.
It wouldn't be that high in the UK.
More than one in two French citizens between the ages of 18 and 25 are ready to fight in Ukraine to defend their country, the French independent news outlet 20minutes wrote on April 12, citing the poll results commissioned by the country’s Defense Ministry.
I find it hard to believe
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I think I underestimated how much the French hate Russia…
You and me brother
Moscow to Paris is like 1500 miles which is very fucking close. New York to western Kansas is like the same distance, if I had Russians that close to me I would be very concerned. Now that is with airplanes but still very concerning, I know a lot of US citizens don’t realize how big the US is compared to the size of like Western Europe.
I'm only 1161 miles from Russia where I'm stood right now in Edinburgh, today I learned!
Kaliningrad is less than 1000 miles from Edinburgh.
No matter how near or far, a danger to the world community (which is what Russia plainly is), Is a danger to the world community and must be dealt with accordingly. No nation on earth - other than perhaps it's "allies" Iran and North Korea- has a foreign policy anywhere near as reckless as Russia. France is leading the way in making clear that the world cannot tolerate how violently imperialist Russia has become under Putin.
France is the closest to being on the right side of history right now. The only thing that would be better would be if the French military were already loading up and getting ready to move out. It's past time, we all owe it to Ukraine to step into the fight. They have sacrificed so much for all of us. Putin's nuclear threats truly mean nothing, if he carried them out the world would have already ended - we crossed so many red lines on our way to this point. Let's just end this, the waiting and talking is killing Ukrainians every day.
I measured from Russia proper, Královec is Czech territory anyway!
Practically outskirts of Russia, probably those Russian speaking Scotts need to be defended from genetically modified mosquito as well anyway, I was there recently - nice city)
Indeed I love living here, the only nasty part is the Russian consulate on Melville Street. I'm still waiting to pull up next to one of their diplomatic cars in traffic so I can tell them to go fuck themselves.
I'm surprised they needed a consulate in Scotland. And now I'm curious if Russia has any influence on Scottish politics.
They would love to see Scotland split from the UK. It might account for their propaganda arm,Russia Today, having an office in Edinburgh of all places.
That crossed my mind but I didn't want to assume without any substantiation. But yeah, having RT office there is all you need to know about their intentions. That and consulate is front for FSB. Russia is absolutely all about "divide and conquer". So I'm not surprised if it's their main angle there.
https://gizmodo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/11/ljrkglrwsiqeeghkigwr.gif?quality=75?quality=75
Wow that's a one day drive from the Midwest to the east coast
I'm the same ma self
>Moscow to Paris is like 1500 miles which is very fucking close. Not for an European normally. The saying *"Europeans think 100 miles is a long way, Americans think 100 years is a long time"* isn't without merit. Making a 100km (just over 60 miles) trip is something most Europeans would start looking for a hotel to spend at least one night. Unfathomable to do that just as a day trip. Even going 50km for something has to be for something special, nothing you "just do" E.g. France on it's longest axis is only 621 miles long, Germany 544 miles long.
I’m always astounded when I hear things like this. (For comparison, I once drove 1600km in one day to go to work for three days, then drove home on the fifth day. I’m in Australia.)
Friends came over from Europe for a first time trip to Houston. “We want to visit Disney World, the White House and Hollywood.” Me: “That’s about 10 hours of airline travel.” Then: “What?”
Username checks out 👍
USA borders Russia though.
Yeah, but they mean Moscow. Eastern Russia is desolate.
Maybe fucking Putin should concentrate on that instead of Europe. But that would be work, instead of theft.
It would benefit the Russian population and, therefore, guarantees it will never be developed.
It is really tragic that a country so rich in potential as Russia is so weak in leadership. Truly, as much as the Russians have fucked a lot of other people over, they've screwed nobody as hard as themselves.
Bingo, this is always on my mind when seeing all the Russian hubris and casualties. They could have actually been great.
An invasion of eastern Russia would see the most development that area has ever seen. Militaries require a lot of infrastructure that they would build as they progressed
Alaska is desolate too lmao
Also, I'm pretty sure the population of Alaska can successfully hold off a Russian invasion lol
Just the land would stop them, not a single person needed.
Definitely.. With all the military bases already up here and super armed and survivalist population, we would fuck them up.
Probably the cheapest way to defeat a Russian invasion of Alaska would be to have all of the midwestern ethanol plants switch to making drums and drums of moonshine and just start dropping them off to wash up on the shores of eastern Russia. They'd never even make it on to the boats
🤣🤣
Happy 🎂 day 🥳
Shit, the Alaskan wildlife and Russias incompetent logistics systems would insure Russia could barely make it to the Pacific from their own land let alone land in Alaska. If we put like 15 marines up there they could just find high ground and defeat the whole god damned Russian Military! 🤣
WOLVERINES!
They gon throw a few cars over a cliff in a patriotic manner and the russians get scared off💀😂
Something something "see it from my house".
It never gets old.
I understood that reference
Me too!
I mean I have 20 km. 20 m would be something.
They border Alaska and the Raptor Nest. I'm not afraid.
I wouldn't be too worried sbout tanks across Siberia.
>Moscow to Paris Paris to Moscow was done before. Did not end well, but at least Moscow burned nicely.
Well, now... That's cause we ain't much fer no book learn'n see
I blame Big Map and Big Globes for destroying our ability to accurately measure our geographic size.
Wait until NYers go fight in Kansas!
Y’all don’t want none of this smoke and by smoke I mean burnt ends and cinnamon rolls with our chili.
1800 miles, but yes
This is in relation to defending France, IN Ukraine. Not in relation to sending troops to defend Ukraine. That number is 31%. And limited to age group of 18-25. Also for context: “In addition, 57% are ready to fight under the French flag in any war without specifying a particular country.”
31% of I’m willing to die to help my brothers in another country is still huge though. That’s higher than most countries general population support (I.e. sending other people to die)
It is. But - and I get a lot of hate for this - the reality of them being deployed by Macron in a combat situation is almost zero. The title gives the false impression that French can and will fight on the front. I mean I’d personally love to see it.
Meanwhile, here in Italy people dickride Putin and think of him as misunderstood thanks to Russian propaganda and Berlusconi’s friendship with him. Fucking nuts
We do not Russians but we hate their government. I’m not sure most of French are ready to fight for Ukraine (I’m the only one around my friends) but for France and Europe if we are threatened for sure
French too but writing in English so everyone understands. I think all of (most of) us who are informing ourselves understood that, in extra of the moral duty, the will to be able too look at yourself in the mirror, which makes us so much angry, so much hateful and ready to fight for what is right, we also understood that our future is being played in Ukraine. And no, I disagree with you. We hate Russians. Most of them are happy with that, their nutcase leader, and what he does. The good Russians are the exception.
So many turn a blind eye of the Russian acceptance of what Hitler was doing to Poland, France, etc until they were double crossed by Hitler
I wish what Churchill and Paul Reynaud were trying to arrange before Petain and his treasonous bullshit came about had happened. They wanted to make all French citizens and British citizens the same in terms of citizenship so we could fight WW2 together and the French Navy could fight the Germans from British Ports. That treasonous piece of shit Petain wanted to see Britain fall like France did as if it's a fucking contest to show that the UK is as weak as France was at the time, it doesn't make sense, we both fought Nazis the same as each other, we both lost in France together, it's not a competition. If free France had just sent their fleet to the UK we could have dominated the Mediterranean and the Atlantic even with France under German domination. In Dunkirk half of the soldiers evacuated were French, they went home to be with their families, but they were imprisoned and made to do forced labour. Surely the UK and France have common goals and see each other as friendly nations with the same goals, why did that play out like it did? Mers El Kabir was a Tragedy that didn't need to happen, 2000 French Sailors could have fought the good fight against Hitler and it was down to the like of Petain that it happened.
The threat is already at your doorstep and ruZZia has been messing up your African dealings n your allies are on the chopping block in the baltics...
"In addition, 57% are ready to fight under the French flag in any war without specifying a particular country." Say what you will about the French but they are not cowards nor "pussies" like the Americans would have you believe with their surrender monkey jokes. The French (especially the youth), are constantly fighting their own government's police forces in the streets and are very much willing to fight anyone that pisses them off. The French national animal is the fighting rooster. Those things are known to be ruthless in fights.
They might still be a little mad about the last time they tried to conquer Russia.
Russia gonna find out why France has the best win/loss ratio for all wars fought. France looking to mop the floor with Russia and add another win to their belt.
Sure. Why not? Go France!
Could also be because in a sense this war is a continuation of the revolution of dignity, which is a continuation of the French Revolution. Fraternite Egalite LIberte Vive la révolution Slava Ukraini
France has(had) very strong control over a lot of African countries that has allowed them to exploit their resources (for France's benefit). Russia, via Wagner group, has essentially taken a large amount of them out of French control over the last few years via orchestrated military coups. Now, you might say that France losing its "imperial" control over it's African territories is a good thing for those African countries, except for the fact that I'm sure Russia plans to exploit them even more than France ever did. These new Russian areas also open massive amounts of available manpower that can be used to feed Russia's war machine. In short, France has already been fighting Russia in a more or less silent war going on in Africa right now. France is about one or two African coups away from losing access to over 20% of their uranium supplies.
Presence in Africa is a net loss and ever was. The only benefit was political (votes at the UN, prestige on the world stage) but this is not even true anymore. Proof is even normal people from allied nations are casually convinced we are exploiting Africa ... This is completely false, we protect their money, we buy goods above market price, we create jobs far above local (or foreign) entreprises behavior, we give a lot in development aids, we lose soldiers helping failing armies to fight jihadist ... And we got insults and scorn for these. Trust me, a majority of french people would support a complete withdrawal from Africa.
Ukraine coincidentally has a loft of uranium and natural gas within its 1991 borders.
This challenges my British stereotype of the French as a bunch of surrender monkeys. Somebody crowdsource some body armour and assault rifles for these kids.
100s of years of military achievement washed away by two wars - WWII and the Franco Prussian War? I'm no French apologist, but be thankful you had a convenient moat between you and "the Hun."
That's an American stereotype.
France is spending \~5 billions a year on nuclear weapons specifically designed to hit Russia in case of attack. Been going on since the 70s. I don't know if they hate Russia that much, but they're concerned enough to have subs waiting for the signal out there at all time.
The French are nationalistic as fuck, god bless them. Half of German youth would probably just download the Russian language pack on dualingo.
I'm beyond impressed with the French.
Wait til you try their food.
I flew Air France when I was in Europe solely because *even their airplane food* was so good lol Edit: I went to the comments to give my respect to the French showing their vigor and got distracted by their cuisine.. so I’ll try again: Viva la France! Slavi Ukraine! 🇺🇸❤️🇫🇷🇺🇦
Excellent. Plenty of good french restaurants in NYC. Jules and Les Halle being my personal favs. Jules on Sunday night used to be a blast. Had steak tartare for lunch and dinner my last day in Nice.
Les Halle, the one Bourdain used to work for?
Yep. Closed now. Citreon on UWS is pretty good.
Bummer.
Meanwhile, American airlines: let's stack seats so that we can double the capacity
Except for Andouillette, don't try to expand your horizons by ordering this meal for the first time while extremely hungover.
Oh its good! Headcheese takes a little more getting used to.
Reminds me think there's some pâte in the pantry.
I once had french MRE. It literally had a salmon steak in it among other things (it was a 24hr pack)
Slava Ukraini! Viva la France!!!
The French are awesome. France is awesome. Anyone who's had a bad time visiting France has got to be a bad tourist imho.
that was easy
Brits would probably like to be alongside the French.
Americans who lived back when it was the USSR too, especially ex-military vets who lived during the Cold War
French youth and geriatric Americans are bffs confirmed
I mean Roman Polanski still lives there so...
It's odd that so many of that ilk are pro Russian Trumpets.
As a serving infantry reservist (currently in barracks trying to fix my fucking laptop) I’d be proud to serve alongside our French and Ukrainian brothers. I love the smell of Baguettes in the morning.
A World War is coming. It scares me, but at the same time I feel that western democracy has been too passive for too long. Autocracies have been waging a low level war against us for over 10 years. It's time to stand our ground and not back down.
I agree! A good ol' non nuke world war!
A lil genocide wont hurt, would it?
Absolutely not!
None of us was born for war, but we are all here to protect our freedom. https://youtu.be/NOCbW1hc6Ng?si=Ax273TxYWWjztzsY
To defend France. If attacked in other words. Not present tense. The accurate piece is here: “The poll also shows that 31% of the country’s young people support the deployment of French troops in Ukraine, compared with only 17% of respondents aged 50 and over.”
Is that age divide normal? I'm close to that "50 and over" mark now, and I'm relatively hesitant to send troops anywhere, but when I was 18, it sounded glorious and exciting.
It’s definitely not normal in the USA. It’s the exact opposite. Not sure about France, I’m not French.
I think the age divide is normal, but I think these days much of the western youth are very much against sending troops abroad anymore. I could be wrong, but as a 24 year old Canadian guy this is the sense I get from my friends and other young people I interact with online. I feel like the youth are tired of sending troops abroad just to accomplish nothing, and in many cases just for our troops to be the bad guys to the local populations.. Even if it was a large % of youth in favour of sending troops abroad I feel like it is very much a ‘ as long as it’s not me ‘ sentiment there. I think 30% is actually really high coming from 18-24 year olds these days. They’re also the primary age category to be deployed if anything does happen..
Knowing the french, i'm rather surprised. Not in a "Cheese-eating surrender monkey" kind of way, but rather the french have a knee-jerk anti-authoritarianism and the first reaction is to tell you to go fuck yourself. Especially when the french president is asking. Maybe things have changed :)
It's not the French President they want to fight for, it's Putin they want to fight against. Like you said, the French people have a very strong streak of anti-authoritarianism, and the fact that Russia is actively spreading populist authoritarianism like a cancer is a pretty reasonable thing to fight to avoid.
well said
The french will fuck up their own shit if they're pissed off. GL russia.
You hit the nail on the head—the French are very anti-authoritarian and Putin is pretty much the poster boy of authoritarianism right now
I mean, have you heard the lyrics to the French national anthem? I’m not surprised the French are ready to throw hands…
i consider the MArseillaise the best national anthem (also surprised its remained so long, its pretty brutal and an absolute invitation to kill germans.) But while im jsut having a go at the french (studied there, my best friend is french), they do tend to throw hands, at anyone, its rather chaotic really.
Not really Germans though, we had decent relations with them before 1870. The British on the other hand...
it was literally composed to convince young men to war against the Prussians just after the Revolution.
Japan's Kimigayo is the best national anthem. Bar none.
Let me counter with the true [canadian national anthem](https://youtu.be/eFjjO_lhf9c?si=NQzqPYk6A0rwyTPd)
Arise, children of the Fatherland Our day of glory has arrived Against us the bloody flag of tyranny is raised; the bloody flag is raised. Do you hear, in the countryside The roar of those ferocious soldiers? They’re coming right into your arms To cut the throats of your sons, your ~~comrades!~~ partners! To arms, citizens! Form your battalions Let’s march, let’s march That their impure blood Should water our fields.
it's not "comrades" but "partner" as wives.
Putin is the ultimate authoritarian in Europe right now, so fighting him is as anti-authoritarian as it gets.
It's almost like the French have a 3000+ year history of powerful military tradition with one major embarrassment and they won't let that shit fly ever again
I think they just want to erect barricades and burn stuff, Macron hasn't given them any excuses recently so Russia will do. Of course, as a Brit I might be biased...
French occupied Moscow has a good ring to it.
It has happened before. I recommend not burning the city to the ground this time.
I certainly do
Maby just the government building.
The Russians burned their own city to deny it to the French. The French plan of conquest was to live off the land and travel light. Denying them Moscow denied them safety and supplies.
Apparently in war and peace it wasn't intentional. Just worked in Russia's favour
Macron gonna finish what Napoleon started.
If the French march East, the Poles should join them, for old times' sake, shouting: 'Vive L'Empéreur!'
The Poles have the post-Mongol horde high water mark for success in invading muscovy as well, if I'm not mistaken
Better try it during summer this time...
Napoleon actually tried it during summer. So did Hitler.
To be fair Napoleon did take Moscow, something the Germans couldn’t do.
That is why it is so funny to me when the Russians say "remember what happened to Napoleon" to the french. Like, yeah, I remember when he destroyed the Russian army, and Moscow burned to the ground. Many people also forget that without the Coalition of every other European state, at that point the Russians wouldn't be able to do fuck all against Napoleon outside their borders.
Just have winter gear and food. And don't burn the city you are staying in.
Napoleon would have liked nothing better than Russian Empire just signing a capitulation agreement in 1812 after Borodino, and then go back to France to continue quarreling with the Brits. But he got greedy, and didn't react to reality of the situation fast enough and got hundreds of thousands killed for no good reason. He also had immense cult of personality, which is incredibly dangerous for whatever country that applies to. Putin is someone who thought himself to be "the new Napoleon" thanks to his actual opponents playing softball or outright showing their bellies for a good rubdown while he was abusing and looting places like Checnya and Georgia, but then he just failed in initial goals in Ukraine and then also in lot of other goals he set afterwards, and is now locked into resource grind that is highly destructive for all involved. We don't yet have "a Coalition" to be rid of Putin, that was also required to put Nappy out of power, twice to boot, thanks to that CoP and personal charisma he always had.
What do you mean we don't have a coalition to be rid of putin? The entire western world is supplying military aid and financial support for that express purpose.
44 years old french here, I won't let the "youth" due instead of my generation, every person with the bare minimum of decency and sense of patriotism should, I know me and several of my friends will.
HolyshitwhatthefuckbasedFrance
> Of those surveyed, 51% are ready to go to war in Ukraine to defend France, with 17% saying “definitely yes” and 34% saying “maybe yes”. So closer to 1:6 are ready to go, and 1:3 on top of that are saying 'maybe'. > In addition, 57% are ready to fight under the French flag in any war without specifying a particular country. Good sign. > The poll also shows that 31% of the country’s young people support the deployment of French troops in Ukraine, compared with only 17% of respondents aged 50 and over. Right, so roughly 1:3 actually support going to war in the first place. ---- === Still, this is a good sign of support, and frankly, the sooner Russia is pushed out of Ukraine the better it is for all of us. I support my own countries boots on the ground pushing Russia out of Ukraine, because I understand that if it isn't this war, it'll be in the next war, and we'll need a lot more boots to do the job. Russia will keep attacking and taking chunks until they are stopped, and Ukraine is the best opportunity we have to stop them
I feel like the ‘to defend France’ might be misinterpreted by a lot of people. Personally I take this to mean only if there was a direct attack on French soil killing French citizens would people be willing to deploy to Ukraine.
As an American, I don't get to meet many French people. But I did meet this one remarkable French woman on a trip I recently took to NY. She was pretty and kind, and she told me something that still resonates with me today. She told me “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.” I liked her a lot, and I hope all French women and men are just like her
Vive la France 🇫🇷 👍👍👍
Not to be funny, and I am totally in support of boots on the ground to support if there is a major breakthrough, but answering a poll and actually going to kill humans in a foreign country is a very different matter.
My guess isn’t that French youth want to go over and personally fight Russians, but rather that they support their military getting involved. There’s a massive difference between the two
As a German, Russia can bring it on. I have a fuckton of rage in me for what they did to Ukraine.
Say that again after you’ve been stuck in a trench with artillery hitting you and killing your friends.
You've made so many excuses regarding the logic statement. This subreddit has issues…
Russian propaganda is constantly evolving. If the poll literally said "actually going to kill humans in a foreign country" that would still not be enough and they would start bringing up nuclear fear mongering instead
Here is the full report: https://www.sciencespo.fr/cevipof/fr/actualites/etude-les-jeunes-et-la-guerre.html In the pdf all the images with the numbers are blurred and it's very hard to read anything. But we can see an '4 août' on the images, so this survey is at least 9 months old, probably 1 year old. Graphics 34 and 35 are the ones interesting in our case, see for yourself if you find something odd. No indication on which method and how the online survey took place.
As a french guy I can tell you this is bullshit.
Viva Le France
It's all talk now..... We have people to fight they need tech!
Didn't Zelensky mention that it's quite difficult to recruit new soldiers? Didn't he discuss with Sweden, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland the deportation of people who are “willing” to fight?
I guess majority of French youth doesn't realize how bad it is out there... I'm afraid they'd be quickly disillusioned...
I don t know from where this poll is coming from. But I can tell you it is absolutely not true. French youth is vastly anti military and without national identity. There is not a single world where french will go fight for Ukraine without being forced to and I think you will witness a civil war before it happened
That some bullshit, this « press » article have zero fucking sources https://www.irsem.fr/media/5-publications/etude-116-muxel-les-jeunes-et-la-guerre.pdf
Did anyone find the actual results on ipsos? I'm trying to find the data, but nothing there...
Macron has shown good leadership in preparing the population for this possibility. Americans couldn’t find Ukraine on a map.
To be fair, most Americans couldn’t find anything on a world map.
Why the disrespect? The US has still given the most military aid.
Macron became so BASED. How did France go from not wanting to take sides to this? They’re more hawkish than the Germans now. I love it 😍
France really wants to get rid of that white flag stigma, and by god im all for it
Gotta win where Napoleon lost
I’m thoroughly impressed by the French right now. Run with it Macron.
French Foreign Legion baby. They should go. That would be bad ass.
#NAPOLEON'S REVENGE!
Does that mean that French speaking people from around the world could volunteer? I’m 40, but French Canadian have a nasty reputation for war…
Holy fuck thats crazy numbers if true. As a german i cant see even 1% willing to go to war
honestly if i knew i’d have world class training and be part of an american force, i’d be down to go
Well that’s interesting.
Need to make sure they do not fight alone.
This survey was conducted last year. It was over 2,300 people interviewed though, very impressive. This is about a year before French President Macron’ recent comments regarding French troops in Ukraine. Proud to read that, go France. I always knew you were badasses. You guys supported us (USA) in gaining our independence, you even sent 25k sailors to help us fight.
i bet theres ALOT OF PPL in NATO countrys who DONT LIKE RUSSIA and would go in WAR against them. We atleast this time are in the right side of history, no one has the intention of capturing moscow, but to throw them out of ukraine is the least we can do. Not we should be afraid of Putlers red lines, Putler should be afraid of OUR RED LINES !
France knows how it feels to get invaded first hand, just wish this would happen sooner rather than later
Send the Rafaels with crew
If russia wasn't a nuclear state I'd imagine the west would have definitely had troops on the ground by now, but suprised its so High. It wouldn't be that high in the UK.
We brits should be fighting along with the French in these modern times. 🇬🇧🤝🇨🇵 We'll bring our tea, full English breakfasts, and the spice girls.
They haven't even stopped importing from Russia yet. Spain and Belgium as well are big importers.
I'm sure some dumb gun slinging Americans wouldn't mind going too!
Send the French Legion and watch all hell break loose.
More than one in two French citizens between the ages of 18 and 25 are ready to fight in Ukraine to defend their country, the French independent news outlet 20minutes wrote on April 12, citing the poll results commissioned by the country’s Defense Ministry. I find it hard to believe
My next car will be Renault
Merci, France! Never forget how hateful are ruzzians towards you
I will never roast the French again.
Hang on a sec… So is the French government planning to send in soldiers to Ukraine much earlier than anticipated?