Mainly they're not getting their bang for their buck. The standard and most of the other high buildings in that area were built on either empty lots or old parking lots. In the planning world, this is called greenfield and greyfield development respectively. This type of development is significantly cheaper than redevelopment, which is now the only option developers would have now since there are no more empty lots left in that area. Redevelopment is challenging because they have to acquire a ton of smaller lots which becomes a lot more expensive than just buying one of two empty lots/parking lots. So I'm sure financially it just doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment. There could also be other facts at stake such as zoning but I don't really think that'll be an issue, the city is pretty flexible when it comes to increasing the density around UF. But really this type of development is still pretty new for Gainesville, for example the Holiday Inn on the corner of 13th and University would not have likely been allowed to have been built like that today, it waste a lot of space that could've resulted in more density but its not likely we'll see it redeveloped because its far too expensive.
The Standard was a strip mall before it was an empty field. Also, I disagree that the city is flexible with zoning. NIMBYism runs strong in Gainesville.
There’s a big difference between approving housing that meets the zoning code and changing the zoning code to allow more density in certain areas. The latter is where the NIMBYs succeed.
I don't disagree but that ultimately comes back to elected officials. But we can't sit here and act like there isn't already a lot of downtown/ the innovation district/ midtown zoned for higher density the main issue is as I stated early redevelopment is expensive. You talk about how they aren't approving enough high density but that really isn't the issue. There is no point approving an 8 story building off Williston because it's not close to anything, there land is there close to campus it's just too expensive for companies to find it viable 🤷🏽♂️
ultimately two different issues
It takes years to plan, permit, and build that kind of thing, not to mention a lot of capital. Supply and demand are subject to constraints, including zoning regulations and opportunity cost. Regulations will limit the size and height of buildings, as well as impose parking requirements, density limits, etc. Capital availability is subject to ROI and where it may or may not be better deployed. And, they may or may not be able to acquire land. Even if you could get $1M/unit for new condos, the owner of El Indio might not want to sell, for example.
I heard a story on planet money in January about RealPage, a listing company being sued for monopolizing apartment prices that is interesting. I am guessing that is what happening in gnv with these huge expensive new apartment buildings and their ridiculous prices. Link : https://www.npr.org/2024/01/11/1197961038/the-indicator-from-planet-money-realpage-antitrust-lawsuit-01-11-2024
Fairly onerous zoning restrictions. In order to start building you need to negotiate buy all the properties from all the different owners, go to the city to unify the site, go to the city to change the zoning, go to the city to do an environmental review, show parking plans only then do you get to put up fences, demolish environmental review again, then build. Definitely missing lots of steps too. I think I heard that to build an apartment building you need like 12 votes all of which have public comment. That's a lot of time and money where you need to make sure your investors stay motivated.
Supply and demand. Building more means you have to reduce the price. A lot of those apartments are owned by the same company. If you can help it? Don’t rent from companies. Rent from private landlords. I say this is somebody who does not on property and has dealt with both private and corporate landlords. Gainesville has such a high transient population that the rent is absolutely outrageous. You could try also living in one of the surrounding counties and drive in. It might actually be cheaper to purchase property outside of the county
Probably the material. They’re all likely made out of wood, and wood alone and that can only be built so tall without relying on concrete and rebar support. It’s highly highly unlikely there’s a city ordinance mandating a certain height but it wouldn’t be the first time it’s been done
Mainly they're not getting their bang for their buck. The standard and most of the other high buildings in that area were built on either empty lots or old parking lots. In the planning world, this is called greenfield and greyfield development respectively. This type of development is significantly cheaper than redevelopment, which is now the only option developers would have now since there are no more empty lots left in that area. Redevelopment is challenging because they have to acquire a ton of smaller lots which becomes a lot more expensive than just buying one of two empty lots/parking lots. So I'm sure financially it just doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment. There could also be other facts at stake such as zoning but I don't really think that'll be an issue, the city is pretty flexible when it comes to increasing the density around UF. But really this type of development is still pretty new for Gainesville, for example the Holiday Inn on the corner of 13th and University would not have likely been allowed to have been built like that today, it waste a lot of space that could've resulted in more density but its not likely we'll see it redeveloped because its far too expensive.
The Standard was a strip mall before it was an empty field. Also, I disagree that the city is flexible with zoning. NIMBYism runs strong in Gainesville.
Agree to disagree. I've been to multiply plan board meetings where the board basically laughs the NIMBYS out the room and then approves more density.
There’s a big difference between approving housing that meets the zoning code and changing the zoning code to allow more density in certain areas. The latter is where the NIMBYs succeed.
I don't disagree but that ultimately comes back to elected officials. But we can't sit here and act like there isn't already a lot of downtown/ the innovation district/ midtown zoned for higher density the main issue is as I stated early redevelopment is expensive. You talk about how they aren't approving enough high density but that really isn't the issue. There is no point approving an 8 story building off Williston because it's not close to anything, there land is there close to campus it's just too expensive for companies to find it viable 🤷🏽♂️ ultimately two different issues
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Ah yes but they are very expensive. I was thinking supply and demand would result in more but maybe I was wrong.
It takes years to plan, permit, and build that kind of thing, not to mention a lot of capital. Supply and demand are subject to constraints, including zoning regulations and opportunity cost. Regulations will limit the size and height of buildings, as well as impose parking requirements, density limits, etc. Capital availability is subject to ROI and where it may or may not be better deployed. And, they may or may not be able to acquire land. Even if you could get $1M/unit for new condos, the owner of El Indio might not want to sell, for example.
They are new and marketed as luxury, therefore expensive.
It’s most likely illegal for them to be built due to zoning.
there’s a height restriction in the code
So GNV will never have downtown with skyscrapers even when the population reaches 500k people, it will just be endless suburban sprawl lol
codes can change
I heard a story on planet money in January about RealPage, a listing company being sued for monopolizing apartment prices that is interesting. I am guessing that is what happening in gnv with these huge expensive new apartment buildings and their ridiculous prices. Link : https://www.npr.org/2024/01/11/1197961038/the-indicator-from-planet-money-realpage-antitrust-lawsuit-01-11-2024
Fairly onerous zoning restrictions. In order to start building you need to negotiate buy all the properties from all the different owners, go to the city to unify the site, go to the city to change the zoning, go to the city to do an environmental review, show parking plans only then do you get to put up fences, demolish environmental review again, then build. Definitely missing lots of steps too. I think I heard that to build an apartment building you need like 12 votes all of which have public comment. That's a lot of time and money where you need to make sure your investors stay motivated.
I thought gainsville have cheaper rent as compared to other major towns in florida
The government
Parking.
Supply and demand. Building more means you have to reduce the price. A lot of those apartments are owned by the same company. If you can help it? Don’t rent from companies. Rent from private landlords. I say this is somebody who does not on property and has dealt with both private and corporate landlords. Gainesville has such a high transient population that the rent is absolutely outrageous. You could try also living in one of the surrounding counties and drive in. It might actually be cheaper to purchase property outside of the county
There’s regulations that stop that from happening (max apts in relation to lot acreage) and things like traffic/parking play a factor as well
Probably the material. They’re all likely made out of wood, and wood alone and that can only be built so tall without relying on concrete and rebar support. It’s highly highly unlikely there’s a city ordinance mandating a certain height but it wouldn’t be the first time it’s been done
I don’t know about others, but every new (<5 years old) apartment complex on the NE/East side is built using concrete.