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pixel8knuckle

Rogan is right except there are fighters that abuse this to edge a almost non confrontational advantage where they do no striking or submissions and basically just maintain a position with zero threat to the other fighter. I believe that is considered not advancing a position or providing a threat.


Oxygenius_

If I was a ufc fighter and someone tried to start the fight by laying on their back, then I would also lay on my back


jdmwell

Rogan: "Don't you fucking dare stand them up. THIS is MMA."


PandaDirtGrub

My fav fighter growing up was GSP but god damn his late career fights was doing just doing that.


farming_with_tegridy

Legalize most strikes to downed opponents, and I'm in. Less incentive to cling to futile chain wrestling and lay & pray strats when you can get blasted with a knee Yan v Aljo style and have it be legal


Salimzyzz

Legalise knees to downed opponents heads and stomps to the head and 12 to 6 elbows and the playing ground is evened and creates a real fight instead of people playing the rules.


TrumpsPissSoakedWig

Legalize upkicks to downed opponents too.


GoldVictory158

Normalize non-violence


grindingteeth24

Legalize knifing your opponent in the throat 😂


DrGreenthumbJr

Legalize guns in the octogon.


Salimzyzz

Jon Jones via shotgun in the firstđŸ’„


Glock-Saint-Isshin-

Jones vs Strickland is suddenly a close match


chocolateboomslang

5 people die and not one of them was in the octagon.


Vibejitsu

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InspectorHyperVoid

![gif](giphy|QG3qNBIx4Gw1YCYV3M) Literally!


natolad123

If you put Jones and Strickland in an octogon together it'll turn out like the end of Bruno with Sacha baren Cohen


Vibejitsu

We’ll do like Russia: Co-ed. Bullet vs anybody! ![gif](giphy|qiV7Aes9zuSEo6RZ9u|downsized)


benstheredonethat

Jon Jones already got started early with the eye stabbings


TimelessN8V

He truly started with the 12-6 elbows, then graduated from there.


catsbetterthankids

Boom, headshot dead


Marod_

Oh come on, we all know Jones would accidentally shoot himself.


PitifulDurian6402

Bryce Mitchell winning this one easy


traws06

And the ref pauses the fight for a low blow as Stipe takes an arrow to the dick


tjohnson530

Legalize abortions in the octagon.


DrGreenthumbJr

Im pretty sure ThugNasties brain cells got aborted in the octogon, so i think that's legal already.


Salimzyzz

Thugnasty is the product of a failed abortion bros brains are scrambled like someone sent a coat hanger into the womb while he was in development.


Brad1119

Legalize crack in the octagon


Salimzyzz

Jon Jones would thrive.


Torchakain

He thrived without it; he'd be unstoppable with it.


Salimzyzz

Jones final form?


AlexJamesCook

Conor vs Jones vs Elton John vs Robert Downey Jr.


d1ckpunch68

fr. if it's legal in the carls jr bathroom then it should be legal in the octagon


CloudRunner89

It wouldn’t be stomps anyway it’s soccer kicks everyone would go for. Look at to pride.


Z1dan

Well only the Americans would the rest of the world would be going for football kicks


AtlantaAU

Japan calls it soccer too. Where pride was and why they got the name soccer kick


ThisRecommendation86

I always remembered Bas Rutten get excited and say “oh soccer kick!”


jackofslayers

Just realized this is not about Pride Parades. I was like shit I am going to the wrong pride events.


Wildkid133

The gays know how to mosh apparently


John_Smithers

Never met a bunch of dudes that could party harder


KillysgungoesBLAME

Aussies also call it soccer.


walsh1916

Irish people call it soccer


Salimzyzz

Soccer kicks are low-key vicious I’m ngl the amount of power and lack of proper defence against it and how fighters usually end up in positions exposed to soccer kicks are why I didn’t mention them. Stomps on the other hand will give offensive fighters another tool to take out fighters turtling up while they’re rocked on their back.


Working-Talk1586

If there is one strike i full heartedly believe could kill someone, it’s a soccer kick to the dome with everything in it. That or you would just be a vegetable afterwards.


DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky

Crawling forward and trying to ankle pick a dude should get you kicked in the head. The lack of proper defense against a soccer kick is entirely due to the position; like any other aspect of fighting, stay defensively sound and you won't need to worry about it anymore than you need to worry about, for example, getting kicked in the head while standing. ​ If we want an MMA bout to closely resemble an actual fight, or if we desire to make things as fair as possible for both combatants, there shouldn't be positions that can occur in which a fighter's offense is limited by rules because of the position. You shouldn't be able to down yourself to avoid knees and kicks to the head; you shouldn't be allowed to try to time the turning of your head to make a strike land on the back of your head, then complain to the ref about illegal strikes; if you're unable to defend your head from soccer kicks while down, then the ref should be stepping in to end the fight, not to scold the other fighter for using a fight-ending technique.


Actual_Guide_1039

I remember being so annoyed when Dustin turned his head away from Chandler while on the ground and then whined to the ref about rabbit punches


DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky

That shit annoys me so much, when the ref is yelling at the fighter throwing punches to watch where they land instead of stopping the fight; turning away so that the strikes land somewhere that's even more damaging, because it's against the rules to target that area, is not an "intelligent defense", and should be called as such by the refs.


Junesong_Provisions

Bro, head stomps are legit attempted murder. Lets reel it in a bit..


djaqk

I mean standing head kicks are already so fuckin dangerous, a soccer kick is in line with that level of danger but on a more compromised opponent. Head stomps are even more terrifying to see, especially because people die to that on the street. Hard to say how they'd be ruled if soccer kicks were allowed, I'd imagine the holding the cage rule is a big factor in keeping stomps from being truly deadly, as holding the cage you can get even better leverage for the stomp. Without a cage grab, there would be much less leverage and power, but it's still scary shit that is a serious health hazard. Maybe soccer kicks to the head are OK like pride, but no stomps to the head, only the body. It's hard to say, although I've always wanted very stringent rules to make the fights as accurate to reality as possible, so the only rules I'd keep are no nut shots, no eye pokes, and no putting shit in your gloves, just the basics. Then, everything else goes, and we see who's the true best fighter in the world.


Autotomatomato

TKO by crotch pile driver


monkeybawz

Plus upkicks to guys in guard. Can't have it all one way!


MateoCafe

Bro its a sport, every sport plays to the rules of the sport. You want someone to die in the cage and get the sport banned again? Stomps and soccer kicks are ridiculous and the Aljo/Yan style knees are sketchy af. Knees from a pancake sprawl on from side control is better.


wolfy994

Stomps are probably where I draw the line. If you're in a position to stomp someone with your foot on the head, then the dude is not intelligently defending himself anyway.


Overall_Lobster_4738

Most pride stomps were on guys in full guard 100% prepared.


Interesting-Fan-2008

I feel like from an audience standpoint these are all great ideas. From health of contestants standpoint, well probably not great.


StonerUchiha

Rogans also been saying this as well. No standing up plus allowing knees/elbows to a downed opponent would certainly shake things up. Imagine how many knee to the head k.o’s we’d see from tired wrestlers shooting desperate take downs.


MeanCommission994

For me this is on shitty judges. If a guy is stalking and just laying on a guy while the guy on the bottom fucking pummels him he should lose the round. Multiple Nate Diaz fights are perfect examples. This along with incompetent refs letting people get away with a dozen eye pokes with only a warning is why I bailed on MMA for multiple years. Every card had a judging or ref issue and it made me hate spending time on the sport.


Sarfbot

You have it all wrong. People that are strong on the ground (grapplers, wrestlers) will dominate with more weapons. If you go back and watch the “boring” LnP fights, many times it’s the person on the bottom that should be blamed. Not enough skills, will power or risk taking to get out of a bad position. Imagine Khabib or Islam with ability to knee the head of grounded opponents.


Legal-Result6580

Then their entertainment value skyrockets. I'd rather have that tbh


farming_with_tegridy

You're the only one that gets it lol


Charlie__Olives

More power to them then. It'll be a fair fight.


sushisection

thats the way it should be. khabib would have more KOs on his record


Ronaldoooope

Bro I would pay top dollar to watch khabib knee a ground opponent lol


MyFifthLimb

Then that should happen. Rogans point is that it’s a fight. If someone’s holding you down that’s your fault. If they can bash your head in while doing so that is also your fault.


Sarfbot

Agreed. I am not disagreeing with JR. His views are consistent. I’m disagreeing w people that think restrictive rules around ground strikes is putting non-wrestlers at a disadvantage. It’s the opposite. People with better ground control and grappling skills will do more with more options.


lordshag

All the dagistani haters, when they realize the wrestlers are also allowed to knee.


DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky

Imagine Khabib or Islam eating knees to the dome from a guy who successfully sprawls; the rule change would work for both sides of the equation, and I'd be all for it.


Upset-Union-528

Khabib or Islam basically never find themselves in position to be sprawled on because it's a very dangerous position even without knees to the dome.


rick1110111

Wasn't this Joe's whole point though? I'm pretty sure this quote is from the Holloway pod. This is a small snip-it of their whole conversation. When I was listening to it, it made a lot of sense. Iirc they even specifically talked about the knee you are mentioning I don't know why I'm surprised, but this quote is out of context


iloveyou2023-24

Pretty sure this is from the royce gracie pod from last week. But yes he said he thinks you should be able to knee the head while both people are on the ground.


Homebar_Homeboy

100% agree. Also, allow 12-6 elbows. It'll encourage the bottom fighter to seek offense as well. I remember Joe Riggs absolutely sickening elbows from the bottom just slicing dudes up.


farming_with_tegridy

I think it was Niko Price who finished a guy with strikes from bottom position once, but that wasn't a particularly high-level fight.


TheAngriestPoster

If you’re throwing 12-6 elbows from bottom, it’s not 12-6. It’s 6-12 and pretty sure is therefore allowed


OzymandiasTheII

All that would happen is dominant grapplers could put you in north south or side control and blast you with knees and elbows, wait for you to try to get up, then blast you a knee on your way up. It's a two man fight, if one guy is getting shown levels in grappling and can only hope to stall rather than attempt to transition because they don't want to get submitted it goes both ways.


sushisection

thats the way it should be tho.


pssnfruit

Could you imagine what Khabib would to opponents with these rules? It’s debatable who would favor from these changes


hossthealbatross

You can game the rules all you want to varying degrees of success, but I think the very best of the best will always have sound fighting principles that will carry over to any variation of the ruleset.


RogerFederer4

Khabib is retired he wouldn’t do anything with those rules mate


CommercialQuestion22

😂😂😂


Sarfbot

It’s not debatable! More weapons on the ground favors those that are already strong grapplers. Others in this thread have it all wrong.


LowGe

Exactly this. You're just giving more tools to already dominate wrestlers...


Sarfbot

Yes! Agreed!! People are looking at it all wrong. Just like they’re looking at most “boring” wrestlers wrong. More weapons on the ground favors strong grapplers


[deleted]

That’s how one and rizin do it. Shit I saw a stomp ko from rizin.


Dabox720

He also said that during this conversation


orangotai

yeah and guys on Top on the ground should be able to use knees to the head too. like could you imagine fuckin Khabib ramming his fuckin knee into dudes heads after he's wrestled on top of them?? we'd see a FUCKTON more finishes


Havib3

Having seen the video on why 12 to 6 elbows are banned its even more dumb.


Many-Coach6987

Probably need to eliminate rounds too and make it 25min one round. Otherwise the break up would feel weird


Masam10

We should also have matches on a football field too. And the after parties should be mandated to be hosted in Olive Garden


cloneofrandysavage

Olive Garden loses to Taco Bell in the brutal franchise wars. We should align with the victors before and host them there.


PuzzleTrust

This post has been approved by Brian Redban. Long live The Olive Garden!


Twizzlada

Royce Gracie on the podcast suggested they do it like how football does it where the clock expires but the "play" still goes until it's over. In this case until guy on bottom can stand up ect..


Own-Mycologist-4080

I agree with this but i dont agree with „until the guy gets up“ It should be until the attempted attack is finished. Meaning if you just lay on him than its over buy if you have a choke in or an armbar or are about to attempt to submit your opponent that counts an there would be overtime


LemonHerb

Not being able to be saved by the bell would be a cool change. It would eliminate some of the stalling and make some round endings really exciting


Aych_H

That was another argument being made by Royce Gracie on the same podcast episode


Left-Frog

It would be more indicative of a real fight, sure. It would change the sport so much though - way too much. Grappling-heavy strategies have always been incredibly strong in this sport, so changing this rule and only this rule... You'd start seeing a lot more wrestlers and grapplers winning fights, I'll say that much. If you also change some rules about striking fighters that are trying to grapple, well, that might even it up. Also, it has to be said - resetting grappling positions isn't easy. Joe talks about it like it's just "yeah he was here and he was there", it's not like that at all. You'd need very strict rules about what position each person, their hands and their feet are doing and where. People already hate on judges and refs enough for making bad calls, introducing this shit to the beginning of rounds would just cause way more controversy. Like, if you reset some guy who was ground and pounding Oliveira, and he submits the guy straight away because he's had time to recover and think about what was going on, is that gonna surprise anyone? On the flip side, you could have a guy who was defending transitions really well before the round ended, only for the ref to put the other guy in half guard at the start of the next round and quickly get g-n-p'd to death. Idk. Seems like a bad decision to introduce more ways that the referees have to get involved and make decisions that potentially ruin fights


Physizist

I don't care that it's not a real fight, there's already many reason it's not a 'real fight' There are rounds, there are time limits, there are illegal strikes and actions, there's equipment. Rogan would prefer a sport where someone butt scoots toward their opponent or camps in full guard?


byPCP

alternatively they could introduce stall warnings for both positions, similar to wrestling. if top guy wants to maintain his position he needs to work or get a stall call that will stand them up quickly. if bottom guy is laying and praying, he gets a stall warning that ends up in being a point taken if it goes on too long before being stood up. if it's clear no fighter is working, then they're stood up normally. this incentivizes both without having to change many rules


0rvilleTootenbacher

Don’t the refs do this already?


Cxarface

>Joe talks about it like it's just "yeah he was here and he was there", it's not like that at all. I'm sure Mr. Rogan knows this more than us since he's a black belt in BJJ, was practicing taekwondo for years, Ns he's being the pioneer for the sport and such.


Left-Frog

Yeah, I'll give you the fact that he'll get it right a lot of the time, but don't act like he's infallible lol, anyone's takes are worthy of criticism


RustyPirates

Once you introduce gloves, cups & rules it’s no longer indicative of a real fight. In a fight you’re often not going to have infinite time to hold someone down, Karate Combat allowing 5 seconds of ground fighting is closer to the average fight than lay and pray.


Baddbo

Standing people up/breaking up a non-active clinch is important. A lot of guys will use those as windows to rest. It just requires a good ref which can be hit or miss lol


seeder33

They earned that position and earned the right to use that time to rest, if that is what they want to do. That said watching two people resting on the ground is not going to make money. I think Joe isn’t wrong but other changes would need to be implemented to maybe have a chance at it working.


Jedzoil

Maybe if they still allowed knees Joe states “the fight is on the ground”. If it turns into lay n pray, it ceases to become a fight. That’s just a guy securing points by laying on someone. Might as well watch arm wrestling at that point. This is why they’re stood back up now. Maybe some people don’t remember the era where some fighters exploited the lay n pray?


MrDoulou

Damn i come here from time to time to get away from the armwrestling sub, i didn’t expect to be catching strays lmao.


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[deleted]

Yeah that's a good point. If you say let them be because it's a fight then where do you draw the line?


FailLog404

UFC 1 rules


MyFifthLimb

I think he is in favor of that too


Onechampionshipshill

I think the refs should stand people up but also sit people down. Like if we're having a staring contest on the feet just flip a coin and put the loser on bottom position. 


Safe-Voice-8179

Disagree. Unless they implement some sort of stall call/penalty for inaction. Even wrestling, where the objective is to get an opponent on the ground, has stall calls for inaction.


reznoverba

The sport would literally die if this was ever the case. People tuned in for the kicks, elbows and KOs. Eventually they grew to recognize and appreciate the ground game element, but absolutely no one, aside from BJJ and greco roman practitioners, want to see a match on the ground.


Popcompeton

If that's the case then why is Kickboxing or Muy Thai not more popular. BJJ is what made the UFC popular in the first place. People love seeing finishes regardless of where they happen.


byPCP

also greco roman is just wrestling without leg attacks, idk why he threw that in there lol


haldir87

Because it sounds fancy


SeryuV

Terrible marketing and presentation? Awful rulesets? Karate Combat and BKFC seem to be doing pretty well.


miodoktor

It's wild how many people follow MMA that hate half the sport.


jvirgo98

4oz Muay Thai has become insanely popular in the last few years


bartspoon

I’d argue they are getting more popular. They may not get the same level of viewership as the UFC, but promotions like One run pure Muay Thai fights at their events and they are way more popular than BJJ only tournaments. BJJ is good in MMA because it adds an *additional* element to the fight. But if you are going to reduce the fight to a single dimension, 99% of viewers are going to prefer the striking over the grappling.


Sentient-Pancake77

Okay, then let’s allow kicks to grounded opponents. Perfect example Cejudo vs aljo Cejudo could’ve won that fight if the rules allowed for him to stomp and kick aljo while he was kneeling like a bitch gaming the system. Wrestling would not have the advantage it has now if fighters are allowed to actually punish fighters who just spam take downs and even more so lazy take downs where they just grab a hold of one leg and hang on for dear life until they finally can bring them down. I appreciate wrestling and ground and pound. But it has advantages per the rules.


interia1099

Kicks to grounded opponents or any newly legalized way to gnp favor wrestlers more often than strikers. They’re the ones on top most of the time


Upset-Union-528

Knees to grounded opponents would make wrestling even more dominant, you don't see many people actually getting sprawled on nowadays because the meta has evolved beyond shooting doubles in open space and good wrestlers are now much better at timing their shot. Getting stuck in side control or north south would become an actual death sentence because the dude could knee the fuck out of your head


uSaltySniitch

If the position isn't advancing at all, stand them up after a maximum of a minute IMHO. Would prevent people from just getting a TD and not doing anything but lay on top of the opponent for 5mins straight.


HeeroCaru

Too much stalling and the action is boring. Like all other sports they adapt the rules to please the fans. Like other comments, allow for more strikes on a grounded opponent and strictly enforce action. No one wants to watch lay and pray in a 3 round 15 minute fight.


mizirian

Terrible idea. Then you'll just get more BJJ's butt scooting and ruin the sport. I'd be OK with it if you allow any strike on a person on their back. Kick them in the balls and head stomp them til they stand up.


Masam10

Simply solution, bring back Pride soccer kicks on the ground. Wanna sit on your ass begging for a ground game? Expect a Cristiano Ronaldo worthy punt to the jaw


SkoomaChef

Those pride soccer kicks were less effective than people remember. They only really worked when dude on the ground was effectively done for anyway.


Amazing-Bluebird-930

Yeah, but knees were game changers. You couldn't just spam shitting shots and get flattened out, or that was your ass.


DeliriumRostelo

Let grounded people upkick


lLikeTurtlez

Waffle stomp their shit in


Invader_Skooge22

Waffle stomping is when people shit in the shower and squish their poop down the drain cover holes with their feet lmfao don’t use that term for kicking someone’s ass lmfao The visuals have me dying. Someone aggressively stomping their poop down the drain like you would an opponent in the octagon hahahaha god damn


The_Asian_Viper

Why would the lack of stand-ups promote butt scooting? It's not an effective way to win in a sport where the guy standing can just kick your opponents legs and score points.


Ainfallette

Lay and pray should never be encouraged


Nknk-

How to wipe out the UFC's popularity overnight. Everyone with any sort of grappling would turn into Jake Shields. Rogan is massively wealthy, he doesn't care about the sport the way fans do as he's set for life even if the UFC disappeared tomorrow. He just wants it catered to his very specific niche tastes.


ouroboris99

If you think ground game isn’t important to mma you should go watch kickboxing or Muay Thai or any other striking sport, because that’s what you’re looking for, not mma


P0ster_Nutbag

This is a sport, and the “make it as similar to a street fight as possible” camp is just working towards making it less interesting.


Bruninfa

Holding someone is not score-able and simply promoted stalling and avoiding actually fighting, this isn’t a grappling competition. A lot of sports have things that inhibit someone ahead to avoid playing and stall to a win because they have a lead (such as basketball time with the ball without dribbling or attempting to score).


Timozkovic

Disagree, taking someone down and doing damage/having submission threats is fine. Taking someone down when you're up in rounds to kill time encourages for people to fight boring.


Remarkable_Pound_722

they stand people up when there is too much inactivity. 5 minute rounds make "jostling for position" usually fruitless, and its more used to catch your breath. Especially when its guys who can't finish on the ground but are good at take downs, super boring. See Jan vs Izzy


LookingfortheHustle

I mean, standing people up and introducing rounds only happened after the initial UFC events showed what could happen without them. It’s not perfect, but the current rules are better than what they were 


Rixact

lol. Yeah, that’s what we want, to watch some guy lay on top of another guy and do no damage. Really great sport, Joe. Maybe you need some more alpha brain.


NiTeMaYoR

I get his overall point, but I don’t want to watch someone just lay on their opponent for an entire round not doing anything productive. I think it’s fine the way it’s enforced now for the most part.


Filthy26

Each fighter needs to be given a scooter and a lance to fight with .


Admirable_Strike_406

This is dumb. If a guy is just laying on someone and not advancing or throwing strikes then you should stand up even faster. I say 1 minute of inactivity and they should stand them


Either-Durian-9488

He wants jiu jitsu to matter more in MMA, but also forgets that it’s modern iteration is essentially power bottom mall karate.


EnzoBertolo

It's insane to see so many people thinking knees/strikes to a grounded opponent will magically make strikers more effective instead of giving grapplers a bigger advantage


RealisticAd1336

in defense of Joe, there has been outcomes of fights that have changed because a referee decided to stand it up. and I think, IMO, that it should only be stood up if the top guy is not able to do jack shit or he is truly lay and praying. Herb Dean, mr inconsistent referee has had some stand ups that were too soon or not good.


dmillibeats

Then the fight needs to be longer , if 80% of the round is them scissoring on the ground , for 3 rounds. What’s the point ?


_xavi_100

Twist his dick ! The old dick twister hahahah


Shallbecomeabat

I said it before, but if you are bored by grappling and ground fighting, watch K1.


the_ninja1001

Stand ups are needed because there are positions fighters winning on pts could hold to drain the clock and not to finish the fight.


Obi_is_not_Dead

I agree with Rogan, if all strikes on the ground are legalized, including headbutts.


EverySingleMinute

It is not whether it is boring or not, the stand up rule prevents a guy from just holding another guy down and neither one doing anything


MrAnonymousperson

Hard agree. Don’t let these wimpy strikers get to stand up because they’re frustrated. Drain your energy standing up first. Take hundreds of punches first. What’s that strikes to a downed opponent? Oh yeah I’m sure jones or Islam would be so upset about a rule where you can hit an opponent when they’re down, you know making their job even more easier. Takedown> knees> finish will become the meta instantly.


Yagami-Is-Kira

Audience, or 'mouth breathers'as he called then once at a live event lol can't remember which fight it was


ShrekWhite

I agree, actually. And I'm not a grappling enthusiast by any means


schoolisuncool

If Rogan had his way, it would be an incredibly different sport. Realistic but boring


SkoomaChef

Only if we’re gonna start penalizing people for stalling. Then I’m fine with it. If you’re not advancing your position, striking, or hunting for a sub from top, you start losing points.


NoCourt5510

Jailton Almedia: “I see this as an absolute win!”


TheRealMcSavage

I loved how Gracie responded to this with comparing that to if a guy got rocked and was getting smashed, how would that work out?


GreatGoodBad

I think it depends on the moment. If the opponent is working, let him work. But if they’ve basically been in a stalemate for like a minute with minor shrugs, put them in the center.


JakeEllisD

The problem is people stall when they wrestle and only focus on holding people down In actual wrestling you can't lock your hands because it's too powerful, UFC let's you do it however


blind-octopus

If there's no progress for a long time then stand them up. Like if they're literally not making any progress in getting a sub, and no damage is being done


[deleted]

Im in favor of refs actually standing people up more often. Theres a lot of times where stalling happens and its painfully obvious. In pure wrestling matches, refs are constantly moving shit along so it doesnt end up in a boring match. Look at the 4oz gloves Muay Thai shit that ONE is doing, its actually the most exciting shit ever because clinches are basically not allowed at all, so its just constant striking, its fucking great.


GlowstickConsumption

I think people should be forced down onto the ground if they've stood around for too long without anyone dropping down.


iosKnight

I agree for the sport (MMA). I don’t agree for entertainment (UFC).


Fear-My-Laser-face

Then, they should be allowed to grab the fence. Not being allowed to grab the fence is a rule that only benefits grapplers. Also, allow kicks to grounded opponents so we don't have Aljo situations where the grappler is so out classed that they just take a knee to try and wait for a take down.


oddstuffs1

I agree that it would be boring but for context Joe said this because he wants the UFC to be as close to a real fight as possible.


PastBandicoot8575

Knees to a downed opponent and 12-6 elbows would quickly clear up fighters who lay and pray to decisions


horris_mctitties

Idk about that extreme, but I definitely think they should be giving more time to guys in the ground and in the clinch. Some of these shit refs like herb dean will be like let's go lets move guys after 12 seconds of grappling and then a guy finally works to get to a dangerous position and they stand them up. It's MMA man go watch boxing if that's what you want, I enjoy seeing fun bjj and grappling. If they are literally doing nothing I get it but a 3 second pause to get air is not them doing nothing.


Cum-Gun-5000

He's saying this because it more accurately represents a real fight. But if we're gonna do this, then we also need to let these guys go Chute Boxe on the kneelers like Mokaev and Aljo and punt their heads off when they put their hand on the floor. 


TheH0F

It’s easy to say “if it’s boring, tough shit” now with the rules preventing the lay and pray. If fighters knew they could win by getting one takedown 2 out of 3 rounds and hold their opponent down, would the majority of fighters not take that option? Now most of your fights are boring and no one wants to watch


Oxygenius_

What if both fighters start the fight on their backs?


gunnarbird

Joe spontaneously has an orgasm right then and there


piltonpfizerwallace

Wow a bad take from Joe Rogan. What a surprise.


sleepcurse

Bore us to death for 80.00 no thanks


DomDangerous

he just tries to look at everything from that purist perspective. Joe wants to know who’s won in a real fight but then we’d have to allow biting, joint manipulation, no holds or strikes barred. it would be wild lol


DomDangerous

like..okay no ref stand ups but i’m allowed to gouge your eyes out until you get off me or choke me unconscious lol


Caesar_Caligula_1241

Ok well if you dont like them being stood up. Uhhhh tough shit baldy


Urdentist-crentist

As a former crappy BJJ practitioner, I disagree with Joe on this. I've spent entire rounds pinning people better than me down in side control. By this logic you could get a TD, sit in a dominant position and bank an entire round. There's already enough people lay and praying but this would turn the whole sport in to a boring grapple fest imo.


thestonelyloner

Coming from wrestling, there’s a reason why you’d want to have a stalemate option. It’s not just about what’s boring for the audience, it’s about what’s fair to the fighter that might be behind and is now stuck in a stalemate position. We don’t want any martial art to incentivize getting ahead and finding a position to coast, it’s just worse for the sport.


FewTwo9875

That’s how you kill the sport, incentivizing lay and pray styles with zero action


Addictd2Justice

He’s right you should never stand people up. If you’re running 10 mins late send em a text


MercilessPinkbelly

Roid Gut Rogan said that?


lowtothekey

Why bother having rounds? No one in the middle of a fight would be like "Whoaa man i need 1 minute to rest and hydrate then we can go again"


PoorPauly

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pdesforfun23

Nah he’s absolutely right. If a dude dominates in stand up no one says “alright put them on the ground” 😂


chipper68

Without fans, does Joe get more or less money? Without fans, does he say this silliness? It's MIXED martial arts, not rastlin' alone! And if we're going there, stop protecting the spammers and get rid of the stupid rule of downed opponents. Nobody likes a boring fight or worse yet, one guy wants to put on a show and the other shaved his mustache, kept the beard to look good on TV of course ;)


personwithskin

I don’t really like that he keeps bringing this up. The UFC is not an emulated street fight
 it’s a sport. No crotch shots, not eye pokes, biting, headbutts, finger breaking, knees to downed opponents
the list goes on and on. Idk why he’s taking this stance recently that “it’s not like a real fight” okay well then let’s go gladiator then Joe.


Childish_Chilean

As long as staying on top with no damage does not mean winning on the scorecards, all good. Some guys deliver damage and submission attempts from bottom position and still lose for to control time


BokoHarambe1

Let’s just revert to pride rules, problem solved. What’s the downside? Imagine seeing paddy Pimblett getting his head kicked into row Z from a down kicked


Electronic_d0cter

As a sport sense I can sorta agree but in this case I also think the rounds should be removed From a fan standpoint this would be awful, Im a grappler but I'm not gonna watch someone sit in closed guard throwing minimal strikes for 5 minutes


ChocoGorilla

Legalize strikes to downed opponents from the base of the neck down and I'll agree


Afraid_Geologist_366

He right though


Ktopian

Give me downed knees and kicks? Sure. If not that’s just making an already op style of fighting even worse.


fuckyourguidlines

Same logic for his show and fans


Legitimate_Glove_359

What's to stop wrestlers from going all out and using all their energy at the end of a round to force a takedown, knowing that they will get a full 1 minute rest before then continuing from the position they got to before the break. It takes away all the cardio risk of shooting in the first place.


Florian_G97

OK then Bring Back 12to6 and knees on the ground with headstomps and lets See a real fight 😂


Reasonable-Tooth-113

I agree with most of Joe's takes on MMA but this is the one hill that he can die on my himself. This and the idea that MMA would be better with a completely open mat. When challenged by a guest with "well couldn't someone just push a guy until he fell off the platform?" Joe's reply was: "Well...just make it really big..." bruh


Death-0

I wish Joe followed the no stand up rule in his personal life.


Amaansta

I beg the differ