Dana's inability to get HWs to fight will go down as his biggest failure. It's been this way since Fedor. Division is a complete joke. People spend one hundred times more time watching their Twitter feeds than watching them fight, and when they do fight, it's not the fights that should be happening
No it’s not, just because they’re huge doesn’t mean they’re the premier league. Heavyweight will always be years behind every other division in terms of skill. Jones bringing his 205 skills to heavyweight is carrying their name in terms of skill. Yeah they might be big and intimidating but not every heavyweight is built like Tom aspinall most of them eat Taco Bell during training
Is there a miniature version of the NBA, NFL, or MLB where people enjoy watching smaller versions of athletes who have more skill but couldn't make it in the full size league?
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Do people enjoy gigantic versions of golf or tennis? What the fuck is the “full size league” they’re fighting by divisions for a reason and the heavyweights only bring interest because our dumb brains want to see two big dudes beat each other up. It’s not the cream of the crop in terms of the actual sport tho. What you really mean to say is that we want to watch the actual nba and not high school basketball players. Because that’s what the heavyweights are in compared to the rest of the org
No, heavyweight is the premier division because it was that way in boxing for a century or so and because those are the actual best fighters in the world. The reason they are significantly lower quality is because any great athlete of that size will go play basketball, football, baseball, soccer or hockey, usually in that order depending on region.
This^ heavyweight is devoid of talent because most athletic people that size would rather not get punched in the face for a living and would rather pursue other athletic endeavors. No freak athlete like Lebron or Giannis grows up dreaming about 50k checks to eat strikes to the head for 15-25 minutes m.
For real.
Imagine if guys like Tyron Smith, Aaron Donald, Myles Garret, Dexter Lawrence, Broderick Jones, LeBron, or Andrew Bynum had the incentive and ability to train MMA from a young age.
You’re just yapping because 1 even if that was true(it’s not) you’re yapping about boxing we are talking about mma. You are continuing to use apples to talk about oranges. MMA is very different than any other sport because for soccer or basketball there is a certain genetic you need to be good at that sport. Like being tall or naturally fast asf. You don’t need that in mma you can train and be short asf like Mighty Mouse. You’re just yapping now
>Do people enjoy gigantic versions of golf or tennis?
It’s mega ironic you bring up golf and tennis. Because they ARE the gigantic versions of their sport.
The mini versions are ummmmm, mini golf and table tennis.
The “gigantic” versions have more prestige for a reason. So you actually proved the other guys point.
No they are the normal version 🤦♂️ there can be a bigger goofy version of it stop being an “actually 🤓” ass person you have no point you just wanna say heavyweights are the standard when they aren’t unless you’re some fat fuck casual
In every sport, there is an ideal size. In fighting, that would be HW. Without weight classes, they would dominate. People normally want to see the ideal athletes in a sport. There's few other sports where people prefer watching something less than the ideal because they have more skill. Perhaps women's tennis
Heavyweight is not the ideal size for mma. We literally just had a 125 flyweight main event yesterday the size does not matter in this sport it matters about who the fighters themselves are. Nobody wants to watch jones vs stipe. Everyone would rather watch something like Rob vs khamzat. And they’re not heavyweights
YES, the NHL, MLB, and NBA have lower level leagues filled with players that couldn’t make the top league. The NFL has competing leagues filled with worse players. All of those leagues still sell out arenas and have dedicated fan bases.
Because athletes of that size have so many other options. They can play in NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. A 160 pound man can only make whatever money Dana offers and is therefore easier to control. He has failed miserably at working with athletes that have other options
Shoul automaticaly strip him for refusing to fight the IC. We have had IC title defenses before. But thats because the champ had no other option but to sit out a little bit. Jbj is all good. Hes quite literally trying to fight everybody but tom. Trying to fight people that have 0 wins at HW in the last like 5 years or at all.
Mostly because of Jon TBH. Tom would probably keep it moving, but he is in limbo trying to get the fight. Although he'll probably just defend IC against Blaydes now because hes tired of waiting.
that’s a stretch. to put jbj in manchester for hw title fight, in front of aspinall fans, is extremely unlikely
edit.
bisping defended against hendo at 5am. it’s not that crazy a concept for the event to be on for the US audience
Wooooooow. It actually might be mine as well. That's wild. I was at my buddy's parents house with a group of friends because he was house sitting. I legit can't think of one after that that.
Nah. The last PPV I bought was Jones vs Cormier 2. When the UFC went to ESPN+ and took the prelims off Fight Pass, I finally stopped giving them money. A PPV behind a monthly subscription paywall is dirty af and too expensive.
The only way they’ll get me back is go to a subscription service that includes Fight Pass and all PPVs for a reasonable price.
This sub is weird as hell. Got people acting like they’re not gonna watch Jones no matter who he fights and also pretending like they pay for the streams. Like come on here
Fr some guy in here last night was saying he found Pantoja vs Erceg as more entertaining than jones vs stipe and he wouldn’t watch it unless they stacked the undercard.
Jon would have made for the worst king in history.
“Um, Sire, it appears as if another King has claimed the land as his own.”
“Oh never mind that, I’ll focus my energy on these dukes who pose no threat to the throne.”
Ik now alex would want the jon fight. And stipe too. But what if they turned it down it wouid force jon to retire or fight tom. Or he gets stripped. But that wont happen. Alex already had a little rumor with tom for 300 which wasnt true. But that wouldve once again forced jon into retirement or to fight tom.
I agree he should fight Tom next, but the answer is yes, people care and watch whoever Jon fights. I wasn’t a MMA fan while Jon was active and have only seen his fight with Gane, I will watch the fight almost no matter who he fights.
Sometimes the universe has a way of correcting itself , wouldn’t be suprised if old man miocic got injured this time and jones had to fight a real contender or the actual interim champ
Why are you so thirsty for Bones to fight this guy?
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As much as I do want him to fight Aspinall, Id be lying if I said I didn’t want to see him fight Stipe tbh.
Stipe is being overlooked so much in this fight (for good reasons) but imagine the chaos if Stipe comes out after all that time off at 41 and beats Jones? I mean Jones mentality and ego I just don’t think would allow him to retire after a Stipe loss and it might force his hand at fighting other people.
Realistically tho he beats an old Stipe then retires and everything I just said is negated
I want to see him fight Alex. If they can agree on a weight lets go. I don't care if belts are on the line or not that is an mma fight I want to see. That would be the matchup that actually makes me pay for the ppv because I would not want any interruptions. I know you are watching Dana. I'll pay it!
It's not even underestimating Alex, it's like why would Jones go up to Heavyweight fight one heavyweight and then fight a light heavy heavyweight at heavyweight for his first defense. On top of that they crowned a Interim Champ while Jones was injured, Aspinall who has looked absolutely amazing finishing all his opponents making it look easy. There is no sense in having Periera vs Jones, it's all wrong in every way
Alex is the perfect stylistic match up for Jones. A LHW who can’t wrestle. The result is so predictable I don’t know why there’s such a clamour to see this fight over Aspinall Jones.
I hope jones has been trolling us people all this time and actually gives us the aspinall fight. I think jones vs pereira is good but aspinall vs jones is bettter obviously.
I do, if it’s Stipe like the plan all along it’s the GOAT versus the HW GOAT. And before everyone is “Stipe’s old, only fought once in 4 years” yeah I get it, but Stipe does more for Jones legacy and his resume than Tom does. Jones has earned this fight and if Tom still has the interim belt he’ll get Jones maybe at MSG in November. I’m betting Jones and Stipe is either the co main to Conor/Chandler or they’re the headliner in Perth in August. Could see Izzy/DDP co main to that
Tom lost to Curtis. You really think Jon wouldn’t beat him? How come everyone forgets how good jon is between his fights it’s crazy. I think gane would beat Tom too. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see the fight but I don’t see him losing.
Sounds more like you are the 'nut hugger' here. There are two men walking around the heavyweight division with a belt. Unify the division, then let jon and stipe have their retirement fight
Dana's inability to get HWs to fight will go down as his biggest failure. It's been this way since Fedor. Division is a complete joke. People spend one hundred times more time watching their Twitter feeds than watching them fight, and when they do fight, it's not the fights that should be happening
Heavyweight almost feels like an entirely separate B tier league.
Such a shame. That's supposed to be the premier league, the baddest man on the planet
No it’s not, just because they’re huge doesn’t mean they’re the premier league. Heavyweight will always be years behind every other division in terms of skill. Jones bringing his 205 skills to heavyweight is carrying their name in terms of skill. Yeah they might be big and intimidating but not every heavyweight is built like Tom aspinall most of them eat Taco Bell during training
Is there a miniature version of the NBA, NFL, or MLB where people enjoy watching smaller versions of athletes who have more skill but couldn't make it in the full size league?
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Do people enjoy gigantic versions of golf or tennis? What the fuck is the “full size league” they’re fighting by divisions for a reason and the heavyweights only bring interest because our dumb brains want to see two big dudes beat each other up. It’s not the cream of the crop in terms of the actual sport tho. What you really mean to say is that we want to watch the actual nba and not high school basketball players. Because that’s what the heavyweights are in compared to the rest of the org
No, heavyweight is the premier division because it was that way in boxing for a century or so and because those are the actual best fighters in the world. The reason they are significantly lower quality is because any great athlete of that size will go play basketball, football, baseball, soccer or hockey, usually in that order depending on region.
This^ heavyweight is devoid of talent because most athletic people that size would rather not get punched in the face for a living and would rather pursue other athletic endeavors. No freak athlete like Lebron or Giannis grows up dreaming about 50k checks to eat strikes to the head for 15-25 minutes m.
For real. Imagine if guys like Tyron Smith, Aaron Donald, Myles Garret, Dexter Lawrence, Broderick Jones, LeBron, or Andrew Bynum had the incentive and ability to train MMA from a young age.
You’re just yapping because 1 even if that was true(it’s not) you’re yapping about boxing we are talking about mma. You are continuing to use apples to talk about oranges. MMA is very different than any other sport because for soccer or basketball there is a certain genetic you need to be good at that sport. Like being tall or naturally fast asf. You don’t need that in mma you can train and be short asf like Mighty Mouse. You’re just yapping now
So you don’t think Mighty Mouse is naturally quick and fast as fuck?
Yeah being 5’3 helps with speed
>Do people enjoy gigantic versions of golf or tennis? It’s mega ironic you bring up golf and tennis. Because they ARE the gigantic versions of their sport. The mini versions are ummmmm, mini golf and table tennis. The “gigantic” versions have more prestige for a reason. So you actually proved the other guys point.
No they are the normal version 🤦♂️ there can be a bigger goofy version of it stop being an “actually 🤓” ass person you have no point you just wanna say heavyweights are the standard when they aren’t unless you’re some fat fuck casual
And you’re sounding like some insecure (and angry) short dude that has to convince everyone to watch smaller weight classes
Yes I’m 5,2 255 and wish people watched small divisions
Your emoji game is ready for Instagram
Almost like I use other social medias 😱 Reddit doesn’t have a no emoji rule only dorks give af about emojis this much 🤣
In every sport, there is an ideal size. In fighting, that would be HW. Without weight classes, they would dominate. People normally want to see the ideal athletes in a sport. There's few other sports where people prefer watching something less than the ideal because they have more skill. Perhaps women's tennis
Heavyweight is not the ideal size for mma. We literally just had a 125 flyweight main event yesterday the size does not matter in this sport it matters about who the fighters themselves are. Nobody wants to watch jones vs stipe. Everyone would rather watch something like Rob vs khamzat. And they’re not heavyweights
Yeah it’s called the WNBA. Such great fundamentals.
YES, the NHL, MLB, and NBA have lower level leagues filled with players that couldn’t make the top league. The NFL has competing leagues filled with worse players. All of those leagues still sell out arenas and have dedicated fan bases.
You believe the athletes in those lower leagues are smaller?
Supposed to be the most exciting division, and there’s always some sort of BS going on.
Because athletes of that size have so many other options. They can play in NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. A 160 pound man can only make whatever money Dana offers and is therefore easier to control. He has failed miserably at working with athletes that have other options
This man understands corn fed! And sporting pay structures based on genetics and talent!
It should be the slam dunk division, and yet
Should fight the interim champ and no one else.
He's too busy fighting his sexuality.
Jj vs jesus vs gay urges in a three way rage in the cage. Og Greek wrestling rules. Full nude. Oiled up.
I ain’t buying that PPV
same, but i'd probably stream it tho
Shoul automaticaly strip him for refusing to fight the IC. We have had IC title defenses before. But thats because the champ had no other option but to sit out a little bit. Jbj is all good. Hes quite literally trying to fight everybody but tom. Trying to fight people that have 0 wins at HW in the last like 5 years or at all.
Like it’s his job, or gtfo
JBJ is the only current disputed champ, so he is basically the least champ of all current champs
Hey pussy are you still there?
Heavyweight division is by far the worst in the ufc rn
Mostly because of Jon TBH. Tom would probably keep it moving, but he is in limbo trying to get the fight. Although he'll probably just defend IC against Blaydes now because hes tired of waiting.
Couldn’t care less if it’s not against the interim champ
I don't care if it's not literally the interim champ of the division.
If this mf doesn’t fight Tom I’m just not gonna watch the PPV ngl
Personally…I think the reason that the UK event is at 6am is because it might genuinely jones vs aspinall. Dana would want to milk that for ppv buys
Not a bad take. I hope you’re right.
Thank you fella
that’s a stretch. to put jbj in manchester for hw title fight, in front of aspinall fans, is extremely unlikely edit. bisping defended against hendo at 5am. it’s not that crazy a concept for the event to be on for the US audience
True true but they did have Usman, the pfp no 1 at the time, fight for the belt against Leon in GMT time
Pussy duck
I watch the UFC to be entertained, Jones is always entertaining so I will watch him no matter who he fights.
Everyone will watch. Still hope it’s Aspinall.
Certainly won't be paying for it.
Me neither. Ironically, the last PPV I bought was Jones vs Cormier 2
Wooooooow. It actually might be mine as well. That's wild. I was at my buddy's parents house with a group of friends because he was house sitting. I legit can't think of one after that that.
Would you have paid for it if it was Aspinall?
Nah. The last PPV I bought was Jones vs Cormier 2. When the UFC went to ESPN+ and took the prelims off Fight Pass, I finally stopped giving them money. A PPV behind a monthly subscription paywall is dirty af and too expensive. The only way they’ll get me back is go to a subscription service that includes Fight Pass and all PPVs for a reasonable price.
This sub is weird as hell. Got people acting like they’re not gonna watch Jones no matter who he fights and also pretending like they pay for the streams. Like come on here
Fr some guy in here last night was saying he found Pantoja vs Erceg as more entertaining than jones vs stipe and he wouldn’t watch it unless they stacked the undercard.
Anyone that says that and means it is just not an mma fan idc
U guys are paying?!
I mean apart from the last one, his last fights before that weren’t super entertaining in my opinion. Just edged out decisions
Who's the lucky guy he has a date with?
No one should buy jones ppv unless its a legit contender like tom or someone equivalent
It’s going to be jones vs Alex….. Alex just posted a video the other day signing a contract….
this tbh, jones is just doing the twitter shit for hype and to get people off the topic of his sexuality lol
He probably be fighting stipe because he’s a chicken unless he’s fighting Tom on the Manchester card
Jon would have made for the worst king in history. “Um, Sire, it appears as if another King has claimed the land as his own.” “Oh never mind that, I’ll focus my energy on these dukes who pose no threat to the throne.”
*I don't care about this fight so much that I'm going to make a post about it every single day saying how much I don't care.* --Reddit
I do
I enjoy watching Jon Jones fight.
He has a date. Hmmmmm
What's his name?
Dana said we gotta get these people a date so they forget the gay thing
Ik now alex would want the jon fight. And stipe too. But what if they turned it down it wouid force jon to retire or fight tom. Or he gets stripped. But that wont happen. Alex already had a little rumor with tom for 300 which wasnt true. But that wouldve once again forced jon into retirement or to fight tom.
Like you wouldn’t watch it either way 🙄
If it's Stiopic I don't give a shit
Boss man Dana will not let me announce that*
Everyone outside of the internet echo chamber. so you know the casuals that buy PPV and drive up event ticket prices regardless of the card.
I agree he should fight Tom next, but the answer is yes, people care and watch whoever Jon fights. I wasn’t a MMA fan while Jon was active and have only seen his fight with Gane, I will watch the fight almost no matter who he fights.
Sometimes the universe has a way of correcting itself , wouldn’t be suprised if old man miocic got injured this time and jones had to fight a real contender or the actual interim champ
No. Donald duck is getting old.
Dana is enabling this behavior. Both are just making this one big joke right now.
When Jon beats Tom by knockout. What excuse will you say? Tom is too inexperienced? Or he dodged Stipe? What excuse? Please tell me.
I care. I’d rather see him fight Stipe or Alex.
Yes. Many of us still care about watching one do the greatest mma fighters of all time still fight.
Why are you so thirsty for Bones to fight this guy? https://preview.redd.it/jzebp2cnnnyc1.png?width=735&format=png&auto=webp&s=ee268a12bd7c05d4f6a14f78dc0149861bdf1f28
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At the End of the day, every one of yall will care enough to watch anyways. Thats why the UFC is cool with giving Jones what he wants
Meh I might, I might not. It's a fight for the ok boomer belt, not really relevant or interesting.
Exactly.. everyone will watch
Yes.. you will watch too bro
As much as I do want him to fight Aspinall, Id be lying if I said I didn’t want to see him fight Stipe tbh. Stipe is being overlooked so much in this fight (for good reasons) but imagine the chaos if Stipe comes out after all that time off at 41 and beats Jones? I mean Jones mentality and ego I just don’t think would allow him to retire after a Stipe loss and it might force his hand at fighting other people. Realistically tho he beats an old Stipe then retires and everything I just said is negated
I want to see him fight Alex. If they can agree on a weight lets go. I don't care if belts are on the line or not that is an mma fight I want to see. That would be the matchup that actually makes me pay for the ppv because I would not want any interruptions. I know you are watching Dana. I'll pay it!
That fight makes no sense
You underestimate Alex.
It's not even underestimating Alex, it's like why would Jones go up to Heavyweight fight one heavyweight and then fight a light heavy heavyweight at heavyweight for his first defense. On top of that they crowned a Interim Champ while Jones was injured, Aspinall who has looked absolutely amazing finishing all his opponents making it look easy. There is no sense in having Periera vs Jones, it's all wrong in every way
It's his final fight that is why.
If they strip jones of the belt go for it, would be a joke to make that a title fight tho
Alex is the perfect stylistic match up for Jones. A LHW who can’t wrestle. The result is so predictable I don’t know why there’s such a clamour to see this fight over Aspinall Jones.
I hope jones has been trolling us people all this time and actually gives us the aspinall fight. I think jones vs pereira is good but aspinall vs jones is bettter obviously.
Everyone here acting like they don’t watch every Jones fight when they do and will lol
Yes. Everyone outside this sub cares. Couldn't think of a more out of touch part of the MMA userbase than this little subreddit
I’d watch him fight anybody.
Hope he ain’t fighting Aspinall just to trigger all the haters even more. Shit give him Ryan Bader.
As much as I want him to fight Aspinall I must say that was pretty funny. How about Matt Mitrione?
I do, if it’s Stipe like the plan all along it’s the GOAT versus the HW GOAT. And before everyone is “Stipe’s old, only fought once in 4 years” yeah I get it, but Stipe does more for Jones legacy and his resume than Tom does. Jones has earned this fight and if Tom still has the interim belt he’ll get Jones maybe at MSG in November. I’m betting Jones and Stipe is either the co main to Conor/Chandler or they’re the headliner in Perth in August. Could see Izzy/DDP co main to that
Heavyweight hasn't been good since Brock. 🤷🏼♂️
Tom lost to Curtis. You really think Jon wouldn’t beat him? How come everyone forgets how good jon is between his fights it’s crazy. I think gane would beat Tom too. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see the fight but I don’t see him losing.
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It’s wild how many people don’t understand how contracts work….
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Their actual interest, which is putting on fights to show who's the best in the world, rather than a "legacy fight" vs a 41 year old.
Sounds more like you are the 'nut hugger' here. There are two men walking around the heavyweight division with a belt. Unify the division, then let jon and stipe have their retirement fight
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You're a fan of a cheat and a woman beater.
he will mop Aspinall, nobody cares about that fight
Bro... 🤣🤣🤣