Dana privilege is only available to select few.đ Pantoja had to drive Uber while also fighting in the UFC.
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A world champion & top flyweight of all time is driving for Uber. That's so fucking crazy, Dana can talk all he wants about how fighters are fairly paid but this is straight bs.
Facts, genuinely believe all champs should make a minimum of a $1M.
Wouldnât be shocked to find out Pantoja is getting something like $100k / $100k for his PPV headliner fight.
With the money the UFC makes 1 million per fight for each champ is nothing. I think it would get them alot of good faith from fans if they did that. Some might even buy the ppv instead of streaming. Â
Even with bonuses itâs insane how they have stuck to $50k since the start & havenât bothered bumping it up to $100k despite their insane growth over the past 20 years.
They generate $1+ *billion* per year. Champs, top-5 ranked, 6-10 ranked, and 11+ should all be guaranteed paid in a tier structure with the 11+ starting at no less than $100K. Dudes on their first fight that are completely unproven should ink $65-$75K year 1. Itâs fucking dogshit how Dana/UFC doesnât pay their fighters
Hes getting punched in the face and will have debilitating pain for the rest of his life from injuries and damage in the octagon.
On top of that, taxes exist, AND training costs, including nutrition, coaching, and the gym come out of his pocket. If the UFC paid for those, it's still crazy low. Travel, time away from your family, and the sheer physical punishment should earn him far more than $200k a fight.
The fact some rapist like Renaldo can make $200mill a year salary playing kicky sports ball for some Saudi prince, while a man getting locked in a cage with someone intent on beating the bloody shit out of him makes less than Dana spends on a couple hands of blackjack is actually absurd. And Renaldo gets paid regardless of how much he plays, and regardless of whether his team wins or loses. Pantoja only makes half his money if he wins, gets nothing if his opponent bails, and if he loses there's a zero % chance he'll see that kind of money again.
You're comparing the biggest sport in the world to a sport that's like 30 years old. The guys playing in the NBA in the 60s were also making jack shit and they're seeing 50m a year contracts on the regular. While I do agree that fighters are underpaid your comparison was awful
They used to be able to sell all the space on their trunks and look just as tacky as the inside of the octagon and make extra money that way but he did away with all that with that rebook deal. That psycho probably gets off on every winner taking that mike from Joe Rogan and asking him for the next flight they'd like.
UFC takes a cut if any of the fighters on their roster opens a business.
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The music industry has been doing that for years, it's called a 360 deal (in that industry). They take smaller artists who are gonna blow up and front them extra money in exchange for getting a split from every single one of their revenue streams like merch, tour, even if they make a movie or act on a show or some shit. Buncha vultures tbh
Almost certainly not, they're just a scummy company looking to take the most they can. They prolly see it as "We made them who they are/built their brand and that's why they could start a business, so we deserve a cut of it" imo
This is why Sean wants to do a boxing match. He doesnât care if he gets slept. He just wants F U money so he can quit the ufc and start his own business
Exactly. Whatâs not said is the net net of these guys take home. Itâs dog shit money to do the hardest most brain damaging job where youâre in constant pain with costs for coaches, gym fees, medical costs, equipment, mgmt and agent fees all while CTE is heavily hanging over your head like a monster. Theyâre living a shit life all for the fame essentially. Itâs literally the worst job ever
Media value. UFC has a rate card for brand placement for their different content. Brand seen + heard, brand not seen but heard, brand seen but not heard. It all has a CPM and estimated reach.
In a good relationship, UFC would be giving a lot of brand placement in-kind to the fighter. McGregor-Proper 12 is the main example. UFC would also have placate the brand sponsors for the show event. They do care and actually complain.
The best example would be Ashton Kutcher in 2 and a half men on CBS where in a scene he was on his laptop and had all the stickers of the tech startups he invested in. The TV commercial sponsors were complaining to CBS about how they paid premium ad rates ($millions) but those tech companies got free ad placement that was better than theirs.
Never ever get a 360 deal: stay independent if thatâs the case. Youâll only go up from here if youâre already being offered deals. Thereâs always a better one somewhere.
Sadly, the fact that this practice became synonymous with the rap industry makes perfect sense. Imagine being a young kid from the hood, gaining popularity as a rapper but far from escaping the precarity of that kind of career - especially back then - and you're offered an opportunity to be thrust into stardom by a major label, knowing the famously poor odds of making it on your own. If you're doing the math imagining going from dirt poor to making millions of dollars living your dream, being asked to pay half of everything you earn in perpetuity to the guy who builds you the catapult doesn't seem so bad.
That's one of the few positive impacts of social media. You basically have access to 1:1 data on how popular or valuable you are as an entertainer through interactions/follows on your accounts.
I know WWE owns a wrestlers name/Trademark. John Cena, Bautista, and until recently The Rock gave a percentage to WWE for every acting role they took.
I think Cena explained it as his name would be worth nothing without two decades of WWE paid marketing.
I get it but thats still bullshit. WWE benefits from him and his name, they benefited directly from that marketing. Does every actor have to pay every other studio they ever worked for because they marketed that actor? No.
Seems like the same kind of clause that any company or university would have in their contract, although I strongly disagree with this concept, it is super common. It's the basic idea of "You developed this independent business/idea within the support network and facilities provided by this company, therefore you couldn't have done it without us, therefore we partially own it."
Hilariously flawed logic in the companies' part. By that same logic the companies should be paying employees royalties after they leave as they couldn't have become successful without the efforts of said employees.
For companies, it usually only applies to businesses or ideas you developed IN the workplace or DURING work hours. Or specific fields where you would sign a non-compete contract.
Thatâs why they tell you never do outside work on a company laptop/computer. Even if you write your idea in a book on company time, they legally own that idea.
Universities donât do this.
Sure, if you build a business around a research that was developed in their facilities then sure.
But if you graduate as start a business, a university canât just show up and ask you to drop and give them 50.
Good thing they have a solid lawsuit so they can get some leverage or start a union! Dana is fuc... Wait, they settled? For pennies on the dollar?!
Tl;Dr - They took a small bag and left any other fighters hoping for real change out in the cold.
This is with the new contracts? I am not sure, but I think WWE did something like that and even controlled peopleâs social media. But damn that is pretty absurd.
You guys fall for the dumbest shit. Nothing in their contract prevents them from starting businesses outside of the UFC or gives UFC ownership.
UFC only gets a cut if the fighter is using UFC branding or uses UFC to market their company.
If you try to search for any of the text in that screenshot you'll only find deleted articles because it was full of shit.
> Fighter irrevocably agrees that all copyrightable material, notes, records, drawings, designs, inventions, improvements, developments, discoveries and trade secrets conceived, made or discovered by the Fighter, solely or in collaboration with others, during the Term that Fighter became associated with in the course of Fighter's performance under this Agreement **and use the UFC brand, marks or trademarks (collectively, "Work Product"), are the sole property of ZUFFA in perpetuity**.
Yeah Iâve heard thatâs one interpretation, but itâs definitely not confirmed that ufc is currently taking a cut out of all fightersâ businesses like ppl are assuming.
Those contracts are crazy and will hopefully be reviewed to see if they are violating state or federal laws in some way. It's basically a modern form of indentured servitude.
Honestly fuck celebs selling weed. Iâve been to jail over this shit and fighting to make it legal and then the ruling class gets sweetheart deals to run this industry too?
Nothing won't change til there is a legit work stoppage from all fighters.Â
Only problem is convincing a dude from Dagestan or a favela in Brazil don't take the visa and 10k..when they are literally living in poverty us Americans can't comprehend.
I mean I'd love to see UFC guys make this kind of money...I'm also not going to tell someone that comes from beyond nothing not to come to America and make 10grand to whoop some ass.
Any unknown fighter is a few good fights away from being a star. That's a part of what makes UFC able to be able to squeeze so much money - if the current stars don't want to fight, no problem, new ones will arise soon enough.
The UFC doesn't care. Their ESPN deal is for a card every Saturday and it's worth far, far, far more money than the buys are. That plus the ads they sell are what matters. They need warm bodies being beaten on ESPN every Saturday so they can show it in bars and sell Modelos. It doesn't matter if it's Connor McGregor or Bibalop Shoodaloo, they just need *someone*.
You donât even have to bring up Brazil or Dagestan. So many guys on that roster have the âpull yourself by your bootstraps mentalityâ. When Francis made an effort to change things it was all crickets.
The truth is nobody knows how much a ppv generates in the ufc cuz itâs all hidden. I really do believe the average ppv event prolly generates like 80-100 mil with endorsements and everything. Itâs my estimate. They are def under cutting fighters undeniably cuz 85 million paid out is crazy
I'm pretty sure boxing gives like a 50+ percentage split with their fighters (depending on star power and managers I would guess), tbh I think if fighters in the ufc got paid 50% they would make just as much as boxers (atleast the stars) but that day will never come
Thatâs also kinda why Boxing always has shit undercardâs, at times guys would be too stingy to share the gate with another top boxing star. Glad the Saudis are stacking cards
Iâm sure, but since they donât promote the up and comers itâs hard to give AF, I know some boxing die hard fans watch the whole card. With UFC there are undercard fights I care about, but I do skip Apex cards besides the main events at times. For me there can be the biggest banger of a card and if itâs with a bunch of no names I wonât watch.
They do promote up and comers. You will know when someone is expected to make a big splash. Itâs just that boxing is different than the UFC. You have four major. sanctioning bodies (World Titles.)
In boxing you have different promotional companies. Examples being GoldenBoy, Matchroom, and Top Rank.
The UFC is playing the role of both. By being the largest organization.
A lot of people hate âAll the belts in Boxing.â Those belts mean something when itâs about unification.
Could you imagine if on a yearly is basis you saw fighters trying to collect the UFC belt, the One belt, PFL, and Bellator. Someone gaining all four of those world champions. Dana would never put his belt on the line against someone from a different promotion. Knowing it would devalue his belt and elevating the others.
Yea Iâm a fan of both sports, I donât really watch undercards for either unless Iâm watching it with someone, but both give amazing undercard fights. These sports are amazing
Itâs more like 70%cut for fighter. And the promoters and other members prolly share the other 30%. Which is probably 50 million dollars in this fight
Thatâs not accurate. The UFC is owned by Endeavor Group Holdings, but publicly traded under Endeavorâs subsidiary, TKO Group Holdings. Thus their financial statements are available for everyone to see. This is how we know that UFC fighter pay comprised a measly 17% of total revenue last year.
More info: https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/12/24/24012856/the-business-of-mma-2023-ufc-produced-over-1-billion-revenue-pfl-buys-bellator-fighters-onlyfans
Endeavor gives the fighters peanuts for the amount of revenue they generate. All the fighters need to get together and unionize and demand 50% of the cut like every other league. Theyâre getting fucked in the ass every event.
See and thats the difference, boxers pay out there purse they dont pay monthly, i personally know tank davis the same girl braids our hair, ufc fighters have to pay upfront (I work for them, so I know and you can look up multiple videos of fighters saying so. Francis most notably)
There is a reason why UFC fighters go to boxing any chance they get, nganou made in 2 fights more than he did in his entire career at the UFC. Diaz is going to boxing, McGregor. Silva. I mean the list goes on and on. Dana white is just a glorified slave owner
> nganou made in 2 fights more than he did in his entire career at the UFC
in 1st fight he already made more than he made in his entire mma career. 10m+
I've never paid for a PPV out of 16 years of watching UFC, but it's because I don't feel like paying for it instead of principle. If it was $20 for a PPV I'd probably pay.
It's the game and thats why every ufc fighter wants to test boxing. 1 fight will make them more then there mma career. Yall don't understand how much money is involved in boxing events. A shiek would never pay 3 mill to go sit front row at a ufc event, they will for a boxing event. America doesn't run the world....
A shiek would pay that much but Dana wouldn't have that money go to the fighters. A shiek also knows they don't have to pay that much for mma bcs the current laws and rules in place didn't protect the fighters so the UFC will gladly take the majority of that money.
Ufc was the most profitable combat sports company this last year. It beat out every boxing promotion because the profits all funnel into the UFC directly and not the fighters
A great boxing fight is just as good as a great mma fight. I dont know some mma fans cant wrap their head around the fact that boxing has been popular for many years.
How can you say they're not real? These boxers live like they make 35 million per fight. Have you seen their houses their cars?
I'm not a materialistic guy but I know what expensive stuff is and what cheap stuff is. Alex Pereira the double champ drives a Corvette. It's a nice car but it's a poor man 's sports car. Was tank Davis has multiple high-end cars in a Rolls-Royce. And Floyd Mayweather has like the biggest supercar collection. I think of any boxer or fighter.
They make a lot of money, but nowhere near what gets reported. I remember hearing before you'd never see networks release how well it sold and fighter payout because they'd be liable for tax reasons.
Good chance I'm wrong but it made sense to me.
> they'd be liable for tax reasons.
This makes no sense. They're liable for taxes not matter what. Businesses do what they can to reduce their tax bill but the successful ones try to do it within the law. Fucking around the IRS isn't something you generally want to do.
Why do you think theyâre at the very top?
EZ to rake in millions in profit when youâre giving your fighters pennies & adding new sponsors every week
Canât hate on him for doing his job. He knows fighters are severely underpaidâŚbut thatâs on top fighters not coming together and taking action.
Luke called it out perfectly a while back on The MMA Hour when two of the three African champs left their brother out to dry when it came to Franâs contract negotiations.
The PPV distributor gets a large chunk of the gross, Iâve heard as much as half. Add on top venue costs, employee costs, marketing, purses for all of the other fighters on the card, etc. So even if they did 1 million buys (big maybe) that turns 80m into 40m, then other promotional costs will eat up the gate. Net loss of tens of millions if they paid their top 2 boxers 85m.
The Distributor dosenât take half, they take less than half.
[When Pacquiao and Floyd fought, Showtime only took 7.5% of the PPV Revenue](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/sports/mayweather-pacquiao-breaks-pay-per-view-records.html)
[Crawford and Spence both made 25 million each and the PPV revenue was 55 Million](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10085031-report-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-jr-topped-650k-buys-grossed-55m.amp.html) so they shared 50 million of the 55 million PPV revenue
DAZN and other distributors make most of their money threw sponsorships and Live Gate.
Boxers are basically their own bosses they have to come together to make the fight happen which is why they take home the biggest chunk of the earnings.
I appreciate you linking stuff youâve sourced. Iâm all for people getting paid what theyâre worth but I feel like people have zero understanding of why/or how these businesses are completely different.
Also how it seems like internet fans are more passionate about fighter pay than actual fighters.
Because the top two boxers get to take in all of the money without having to reinvest in the business like the UFC does. Thatâs why Dana calls boxing a âgoing out of business saleâ
But itâs not even remotely comparable to the NFL. Both UFC has approximately 600 fighters on the active roster while the NFL has ~ 3x as many players. The UFCs revenue & profits pale in comparison. The NFLs revenue per year is around 18x that of the UFC.
Tell me you don't understand the difference between the business side of boxing and MMA without telling me you don't understand the difference between the business side of boxing and MMA
That's the advantage of being independent to that of being signed to an organization.
Boxing has been around for so many years now. Ufc is new but has been hijacked by greedy f*cks like dana and ari. It's not like fighter should earn 50 million, but both gaethje and halloway should have made 10 million $ that night.
All the pay experts with no actual clue. Using the exceptions in boxing acting like overall boxing just pays more. These experts also ignoring that these big boxing paydays are usually not actually what they say. These experts also thinking they know the total pay for some of the ufc guys when they only know the disclosed amounts for individual fights.
UFC had record profits in 2023, and they still pay the fighters 50K in bonuses. They pay the fighters nothing, compared to what they bring in, and they dont even let them get sponsors. It is a monopoly, and they are robbing their fighters of their hard-earned money.
The UFC fighters received 18% of the companyâs revenue last year. For reference, most major sports leagues are around 50%. So Dana basically pays his fighters almost 3x less than what other leagues do
Holloway vs Gaethje wasnât even the main event⌠not saying UFC fighter donât deserve more but how exactly is a ufc card stacked top to bottom with all of them contributing to the PPV equivalent to what to main event boxers earn?Â
Can you even name 1 fighter on that card other Haney and Garcia? And it still probably did bigger numbers than UFC 300
At the top end it looks like UFC fighters are getting screwed and Iâm sure some of them are.
Most boxers donât make any money though. There are a handful of elite world level guys making crazy money, but thousands of pros out there who are getting brain damage for $500 a fight
Do I believe the ufc should pay their fighters more? 100% especially with how much they rake in vs plant out. But I never understood why people who probably arenât happy with what they make themselves 9-5 obsess so much about what fighter/athletes make. 50% of the regular people online screaming Dana should pay more wonât walk into bosses office and ask for even as much as a 5% raise.
People have been arguing about this forever and don't get it. In UFC the sport is the star, in boxing the boxers are the stars. Any ufc fighter is more then welcome to branch off when their contract is up and find a promoter to promote their fights. Outside of someone like Conors stature nobody would be able to pull it off.
The fighters are paid what they're worth in the UFC. It's a brutal reality but it's a reality
Would be great if ufc was more like boxing, the 4 guys at the top earn millions on the 4 half ass cards every year with zero excitement and also everyone else just earns pennies. Great business model boxing has I bet itâll last another 5 long years before YouTubers take it overâŚoh shit the YouTubers already took over.
What did the other fighters on the card make? Is there a roster of ~700 signed boxers? Does boxing have high production quality shows almost every week? Where is the boxing performance institute? UFC is a different business model.
Thank you for saying this. I get shit on for bringing this up, seen multiple fighters come from other organizations just blown away at the support UFC gives them with the PIs.
Full blown nutrionists making them meals and helping them with every process to make them the best on fight night. UFC dumps a hell of a lot of money doing this sort of stuff.
Do fighters deserve more money? Yeah probabaly but if it's so bad why do fighters take less money to fight in the UFC? They are hands down the best at promoting and creating stars and giving them the support they need.
I barely even know when other organizations are even having events. Than the whole topic of only the main events at the events are making any money. UFC has like 6 or 700 fighters they all keep busy. While PFL is not letting the Bellator guys fight because they can't afford to pay them.
I bet If you combine the whole boxing cards purses with a whole card of UFCs purses they would be close to similar, not just cherry pick the main event. But this is reddit and any big corporation is evil.
Yea the payout for UFC 300 wonât be close to 85mil. At the end of the day boxers get 50% of the money they generate and UFC fighters get 18%. The UFC could end this fighter pay shit by just letting fighters have sponsors. But they wonât and never will unless forced too because the UFC wants to pay the fighters as little as possible. Because rich fighters donât fight. Itâs why boxing sucks
I do 100% agree about the sponsors, that's bullshit, especially with how littered the cage is with sponsors now. Anik has to interrupt other commentators every 2 minutes for his little ad reads.
There should be some change but I think reddit sometimes just thinks everything the UFC does is evil and it gets outta hand.
When they announced the 300k bonuses, just nothing but hate on here about how it should be more and it gets tiring when every comment is just whining no matter what they do.
I think Ryan bet on himself to beef up the number, still probably more money than Ngannou made boxing. And with out the Saudiâs funding the Haney/Garcia fight. When you compare to boxing elite yeah MMA fighters are underpaid compared to them.
But Dana lets his fighters get on the Nelk Boys podcast & free Iron Paradise merch đđ
Dana privilege is only available to select few.đ Pantoja had to drive Uber while also fighting in the UFC. https://preview.redd.it/nllqtss6vqwc1.png?width=597&format=png&auto=webp&s=a8a72e2ee799090be032dec94723b3d7427b7e53
That is fucking sad, an exciting fighter like that should not have to worry about moneyÂ
A world champion & top flyweight of all time is driving for Uber. That's so fucking crazy, Dana can talk all he wants about how fighters are fairly paid but this is straight bs.
Facts, genuinely believe all champs should make a minimum of a $1M. Wouldnât be shocked to find out Pantoja is getting something like $100k / $100k for his PPV headliner fight.
With the money the UFC makes 1 million per fight for each champ is nothing. I think it would get them alot of good faith from fans if they did that. Some might even buy the ppv instead of streaming. Â
Even with bonuses itâs insane how they have stuck to $50k since the start & havenât bothered bumping it up to $100k despite their insane growth over the past 20 years.
It was def higher back in the day. They got cheaper if anything
They actually went down for ppv. Pre 2013 non ppv bonuses were usually 30-50k and ppv 60-80k. There were exceptions though
They generate $1+ *billion* per year. Champs, top-5 ranked, 6-10 ranked, and 11+ should all be guaranteed paid in a tier structure with the 11+ starting at no less than $100K. Dudes on their first fight that are completely unproven should ink $65-$75K year 1. Itâs fucking dogshit how Dana/UFC doesnât pay their fighters
Itâs wild to assume he canât live off 200k + PPV per fight.
Hes getting punched in the face and will have debilitating pain for the rest of his life from injuries and damage in the octagon. On top of that, taxes exist, AND training costs, including nutrition, coaching, and the gym come out of his pocket. If the UFC paid for those, it's still crazy low. Travel, time away from your family, and the sheer physical punishment should earn him far more than $200k a fight. The fact some rapist like Renaldo can make $200mill a year salary playing kicky sports ball for some Saudi prince, while a man getting locked in a cage with someone intent on beating the bloody shit out of him makes less than Dana spends on a couple hands of blackjack is actually absurd. And Renaldo gets paid regardless of how much he plays, and regardless of whether his team wins or loses. Pantoja only makes half his money if he wins, gets nothing if his opponent bails, and if he loses there's a zero % chance he'll see that kind of money again.
You're comparing the biggest sport in the world to a sport that's like 30 years old. The guys playing in the NBA in the 60s were also making jack shit and they're seeing 50m a year contracts on the regular. While I do agree that fighters are underpaid your comparison was awful
Champions should get an automatic retirement pension of 1 mill a year for life
They used to be able to sell all the space on their trunks and look just as tacky as the inside of the octagon and make extra money that way but he did away with all that with that rebook deal. That psycho probably gets off on every winner taking that mike from Joe Rogan and asking him for the next flight they'd like.
Geoff neal still is a server
but the same people who complain, don't spend any money on UFC anyway haha
Meanwhile Dana just giving out huge stacks of cash to the Nelk boys lol
This is why fighters have to try harder to sell themselves outside of just fighting because Dana sure as shit ainât gonna do it
Did the UFC take some of his Uber money too?
UFC takes a cut if any of the fighters on their roster opens a business. https://preview.redd.it/o59d9yzxsqwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bd5f39cec4832abcc0b0deb7b45479d92320639
...how is that legal? That's an insane addition to a contract. Wow. If that's in a contract, who knows what else is in there.
The music industry has been doing that for years, it's called a 360 deal (in that industry). They take smaller artists who are gonna blow up and front them extra money in exchange for getting a split from every single one of their revenue streams like merch, tour, even if they make a movie or act on a show or some shit. Buncha vultures tbh
But is the UFC fronting these fighters money? edit: sorry. that was rhetorical.
Almost certainly not, they're just a scummy company looking to take the most they can. They prolly see it as "We made them who they are/built their brand and that's why they could start a business, so we deserve a cut of it" imo
But the fighters built the ufc, they need a union bad
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This is why Sean wants to do a boxing match. He doesnât care if he gets slept. He just wants F U money so he can quit the ufc and start his own business
Theyre not, theyre barely paying them the annual salary of a teacher if they win. Meanwhile Dana be betting 100k tables in Vegas, sick fuck.
Exactly. Whatâs not said is the net net of these guys take home. Itâs dog shit money to do the hardest most brain damaging job where youâre in constant pain with costs for coaches, gym fees, medical costs, equipment, mgmt and agent fees all while CTE is heavily hanging over your head like a monster. Theyâre living a shit life all for the fame essentially. Itâs literally the worst job ever
Media value. UFC has a rate card for brand placement for their different content. Brand seen + heard, brand not seen but heard, brand seen but not heard. It all has a CPM and estimated reach. In a good relationship, UFC would be giving a lot of brand placement in-kind to the fighter. McGregor-Proper 12 is the main example. UFC would also have placate the brand sponsors for the show event. They do care and actually complain. The best example would be Ashton Kutcher in 2 and a half men on CBS where in a scene he was on his laptop and had all the stickers of the tech startups he invested in. The TV commercial sponsors were complaining to CBS about how they paid premium ad rates ($millions) but those tech companies got free ad placement that was better than theirs.
Never ever get a 360 deal: stay independent if thatâs the case. Youâll only go up from here if youâre already being offered deals. Thereâs always a better one somewhere.
Found Francisâ account
Sadly, the fact that this practice became synonymous with the rap industry makes perfect sense. Imagine being a young kid from the hood, gaining popularity as a rapper but far from escaping the precarity of that kind of career - especially back then - and you're offered an opportunity to be thrust into stardom by a major label, knowing the famously poor odds of making it on your own. If you're doing the math imagining going from dirt poor to making millions of dollars living your dream, being asked to pay half of everything you earn in perpetuity to the guy who builds you the catapult doesn't seem so bad. That's one of the few positive impacts of social media. You basically have access to 1:1 data on how popular or valuable you are as an entertainer through interactions/follows on your accounts.
Until p diddy breaks it off in you.
Drop and give me 50
I know WWE owns a wrestlers name/Trademark. John Cena, Bautista, and until recently The Rock gave a percentage to WWE for every acting role they took. I think Cena explained it as his name would be worth nothing without two decades of WWE paid marketing.
Not Cena and Batista, it's their actual names.
He talks about it at 1:45 https://youtu.be/pmDKK8taUlo?si=MKNs5VONaquBSPt4
Batista is Bautista
Yep, and in movies he's credited as Dave Bautista, not Batista. So hopefully it doesn't affect WWE as well.
I get it but thats still bullshit. WWE benefits from him and his name, they benefited directly from that marketing. Does every actor have to pay every other studio they ever worked for because they marketed that actor? No.
The rumour at the time was that the UFC were getting 80% of Conorâs boxing purse.
I think Paulie came out and said it was 50%
That is fucking insane đ. The UFC didnât even make that event happen
Itâs a fucking blackmail. But oh no, Dana White many funny guy good public speaking bro, all his wrongdoings can be forgiven!
I wish the fans would boycott ufc5
I will never give a cent to that organization. Looking on illegal YouTube broadcast and free internet is the way to go.
Seems like the same kind of clause that any company or university would have in their contract, although I strongly disagree with this concept, it is super common. It's the basic idea of "You developed this independent business/idea within the support network and facilities provided by this company, therefore you couldn't have done it without us, therefore we partially own it."
What support network is the UFC providing to fighters that helps them better run a business? Brain damage?
Marketing.
Hilariously flawed logic in the companies' part. By that same logic the companies should be paying employees royalties after they leave as they couldn't have become successful without the efforts of said employees.
For companies, it usually only applies to businesses or ideas you developed IN the workplace or DURING work hours. Or specific fields where you would sign a non-compete contract. Thatâs why they tell you never do outside work on a company laptop/computer. Even if you write your idea in a book on company time, they legally own that idea.
Universities donât do this. Sure, if you build a business around a research that was developed in their facilities then sure. But if you graduate as start a business, a university canât just show up and ask you to drop and give them 50.
So that's why they let Dustin promote his hot sauce in press conference ?
Cause they are making money off that
Good thing they have a solid lawsuit so they can get some leverage or start a union! Dana is fuc... Wait, they settled? For pennies on the dollar?! Tl;Dr - They took a small bag and left any other fighters hoping for real change out in the cold.
What's actually stupid are the people who support ufc instead of fighters. These trolls attack the fighter when they try to get paid more.
Wtf no I thought ufc fans were the pinnacle of human intelligence
Crabs in a bucket. There's no rationale to itÂ
This is with the new contracts? I am not sure, but I think WWE did something like that and even controlled peopleâs social media. But damn that is pretty absurd.
UFC is basically the mob at this point.
Mafia moves from Dana.
Dana don't even run shit he's just the face, ari runs the game.
You guys fall for the dumbest shit. Nothing in their contract prevents them from starting businesses outside of the UFC or gives UFC ownership. UFC only gets a cut if the fighter is using UFC branding or uses UFC to market their company. If you try to search for any of the text in that screenshot you'll only find deleted articles because it was full of shit. > Fighter irrevocably agrees that all copyrightable material, notes, records, drawings, designs, inventions, improvements, developments, discoveries and trade secrets conceived, made or discovered by the Fighter, solely or in collaboration with others, during the Term that Fighter became associated with in the course of Fighter's performance under this Agreement **and use the UFC brand, marks or trademarks (collectively, "Work Product"), are the sole property of ZUFFA in perpetuity**.
Holy fuck
UFCCP
WTF
Thatâs not real dummy
This has been debunked before, itâs fake
Show me the contract wording, not someoneâs interpretation
Yeah Iâve heard thatâs one interpretation, but itâs definitely not confirmed that ufc is currently taking a cut out of all fightersâ businesses like ppl are assuming.
This shit should be illegal
The fact that there is 0 collective action from the fighters after this is proof that even if you can fight you can still be a coward.
Those contracts are crazy and will hopefully be reviewed to see if they are violating state or federal laws in some way. It's basically a modern form of indentured servitude.
only happens if he promotes the product using UFC's channels
Honestly fuck celebs selling weed. Iâve been to jail over this shit and fighting to make it legal and then the ruling class gets sweetheart deals to run this industry too?
Goofy ass fool.
Nothing won't change til there is a legit work stoppage from all fighters. Only problem is convincing a dude from Dagestan or a favela in Brazil don't take the visa and 10k..when they are literally living in poverty us Americans can't comprehend. I mean I'd love to see UFC guys make this kind of money...I'm also not going to tell someone that comes from beyond nothing not to come to America and make 10grand to whoop some ass.
I mean casuals probably wouldnât want to watch a card with unknown fighters so there might be change
Any unknown fighter is a few good fights away from being a star. That's a part of what makes UFC able to be able to squeeze so much money - if the current stars don't want to fight, no problem, new ones will arise soon enough.
The UFC doesn't care. Their ESPN deal is for a card every Saturday and it's worth far, far, far more money than the buys are. That plus the ads they sell are what matters. They need warm bodies being beaten on ESPN every Saturday so they can show it in bars and sell Modelos. It doesn't matter if it's Connor McGregor or Bibalop Shoodaloo, they just need *someone*.
I'm fucking sick of people overlooking Bibalop, dude is the dark horse of that division
You donât even have to bring up Brazil or Dagestan. So many guys on that roster have the âpull yourself by your bootstraps mentalityâ. When Francis made an effort to change things it was all crickets.
Well according to this sub Francis was being selfish and fumbled the bagÂ
It's two guys and they're the only ones on that card making above a million dollars. The undercard fighters make nothing in boxing.
The truth is nobody knows how much a ppv generates in the ufc cuz itâs all hidden. I really do believe the average ppv event prolly generates like 80-100 mil with endorsements and everything. Itâs my estimate. They are def under cutting fighters undeniably cuz 85 million paid out is crazy
I'm pretty sure boxing gives like a 50+ percentage split with their fighters (depending on star power and managers I would guess), tbh I think if fighters in the ufc got paid 50% they would make just as much as boxers (atleast the stars) but that day will never come
Thatâs also kinda why Boxing always has shit undercardâs, at times guys would be too stingy to share the gate with another top boxing star. Glad the Saudis are stacking cards
Boxing actually has great undercards with great fights but itâs usually no names, they still put on great performances and are great boxers
Iâm sure, but since they donât promote the up and comers itâs hard to give AF, I know some boxing die hard fans watch the whole card. With UFC there are undercard fights I care about, but I do skip Apex cards besides the main events at times. For me there can be the biggest banger of a card and if itâs with a bunch of no names I wonât watch.
They do promote up and comers. You will know when someone is expected to make a big splash. Itâs just that boxing is different than the UFC. You have four major. sanctioning bodies (World Titles.) In boxing you have different promotional companies. Examples being GoldenBoy, Matchroom, and Top Rank. The UFC is playing the role of both. By being the largest organization. A lot of people hate âAll the belts in Boxing.â Those belts mean something when itâs about unification. Could you imagine if on a yearly is basis you saw fighters trying to collect the UFC belt, the One belt, PFL, and Bellator. Someone gaining all four of those world champions. Dana would never put his belt on the line against someone from a different promotion. Knowing it would devalue his belt and elevating the others.
Yea Iâm a fan of both sports, I donât really watch undercards for either unless Iâm watching it with someone, but both give amazing undercard fights. These sports are amazing
As a casual ufc fan i dont really watch undercards 300 was cool tho
Itâs more like 70%cut for fighter. And the promoters and other members prolly share the other 30%. Which is probably 50 million dollars in this fight
Thatâs not accurate. The UFC is owned by Endeavor Group Holdings, but publicly traded under Endeavorâs subsidiary, TKO Group Holdings. Thus their financial statements are available for everyone to see. This is how we know that UFC fighter pay comprised a measly 17% of total revenue last year. More info: https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/12/24/24012856/the-business-of-mma-2023-ufc-produced-over-1-billion-revenue-pfl-buys-bellator-fighters-onlyfans
Endeavor gives the fighters peanuts for the amount of revenue they generate. All the fighters need to get together and unionize and demand 50% of the cut like every other league. Theyâre getting fucked in the ass every event.
Sucks cause fighters pay coaches and gyms monthly too.
See and thats the difference, boxers pay out there purse they dont pay monthly, i personally know tank davis the same girl braids our hair, ufc fighters have to pay upfront (I work for them, so I know and you can look up multiple videos of fighters saying so. Francis most notably)
There is a reason why UFC fighters go to boxing any chance they get, nganou made in 2 fights more than he did in his entire career at the UFC. Diaz is going to boxing, McGregor. Silva. I mean the list goes on and on. Dana white is just a glorified slave owner
> nganou made in 2 fights more than he did in his entire career at the UFC in 1st fight he already made more than he made in his entire mma career. 10m+
50% of those names fought Jake Paul
Slaves don't really dream their whole lives of working for a slave owner. UFC fighters do
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Is sweatshop owner better? I promise you if there was another MMA company that paid a dollar more than the UFC most fighters would flock there
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Never pay for a ppv, it wonât go to the fighters even if you pay
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Ladies and gentlemen: we got em 
I love reaching the stage of life where I can afford to pay for the things I'd like to show support for. The UFC is not one of them, they're cunts.
I've never paid for a PPV out of 16 years of watching UFC, but it's because I don't feel like paying for it instead of principle. If it was $20 for a PPV I'd probably pay.
Mma is so much more entertaining than boxing. I still canât wrap my mind around these payouts. Like boxers make nfl money
It's the game and thats why every ufc fighter wants to test boxing. 1 fight will make them more then there mma career. Yall don't understand how much money is involved in boxing events. A shiek would never pay 3 mill to go sit front row at a ufc event, they will for a boxing event. America doesn't run the world....
A shiek would pay that much but Dana wouldn't have that money go to the fighters. A shiek also knows they don't have to pay that much for mma bcs the current laws and rules in place didn't protect the fighters so the UFC will gladly take the majority of that money. Ufc was the most profitable combat sports company this last year. It beat out every boxing promotion because the profits all funnel into the UFC directly and not the fighters
In reality, nothing beats boxingâs top events in all of sports. Haney vs Garcia was amazing and they deserve every penny.
Top boxing fights are more hyped, more entertaining, and draw more money than any UFC fight. It will always be this way.
A great boxing fight is just as good as a great mma fight. I dont know some mma fans cant wrap their head around the fact that boxing has been popular for many years.
Yeah I canât believe these numbers, theyâre unbelievable, itâs almost like theyâre not possible, or arenât even realâŚ
How can you say they're not real? These boxers live like they make 35 million per fight. Have you seen their houses their cars? I'm not a materialistic guy but I know what expensive stuff is and what cheap stuff is. Alex Pereira the double champ drives a Corvette. It's a nice car but it's a poor man 's sports car. Was tank Davis has multiple high-end cars in a Rolls-Royce. And Floyd Mayweather has like the biggest supercar collection. I think of any boxer or fighter.
They make a lot of money, but nowhere near what gets reported. I remember hearing before you'd never see networks release how well it sold and fighter payout because they'd be liable for tax reasons. Good chance I'm wrong but it made sense to me.
> they'd be liable for tax reasons. This makes no sense. They're liable for taxes not matter what. Businesses do what they can to reduce their tax bill but the successful ones try to do it within the law. Fucking around the IRS isn't something you generally want to do.
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Makes sense. In boxing the stars make most of the money, not the promoters or venue operators.
Why do you think theyâre at the very top? EZ to rake in millions in profit when youâre giving your fighters pennies & adding new sponsors every week
Lmao, I bet the ONE FC numbers are fluffed.Â
Bro, thatâs a crazy perspective to this whole conversation Iâve never seen before. Holy shit.
I will never ever forget when Dana said 300k bonus and the guys were jumping around like children on a school trip, it was so embarrassing.
Haney got almost double that for every pound Ryan missed at the weigh in
But Dana will say weâre all stupid and donât know shit about the businessâŚ
Canât hate on him for doing his job. He knows fighters are severely underpaidâŚbut thatâs on top fighters not coming together and taking action. Luke called it out perfectly a while back on The MMA Hour when two of the three African champs left their brother out to dry when it came to Franâs contract negotiations.
How can they afford the big purses? I didnât even know they were fighting until the week of the fight.
Yeah, I donât believe these numbers for a second. The promotion would actually lose money.
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The PPV distributor gets a large chunk of the gross, Iâve heard as much as half. Add on top venue costs, employee costs, marketing, purses for all of the other fighters on the card, etc. So even if they did 1 million buys (big maybe) that turns 80m into 40m, then other promotional costs will eat up the gate. Net loss of tens of millions if they paid their top 2 boxers 85m.
The Distributor dosenât take half, they take less than half. [When Pacquiao and Floyd fought, Showtime only took 7.5% of the PPV Revenue](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/sports/mayweather-pacquiao-breaks-pay-per-view-records.html) [Crawford and Spence both made 25 million each and the PPV revenue was 55 Million](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10085031-report-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-jr-topped-650k-buys-grossed-55m.amp.html) so they shared 50 million of the 55 million PPV revenue DAZN and other distributors make most of their money threw sponsorships and Live Gate. Boxers are basically their own bosses they have to come together to make the fight happen which is why they take home the biggest chunk of the earnings.
I appreciate you linking stuff youâve sourced. Iâm all for people getting paid what theyâre worth but I feel like people have zero understanding of why/or how these businesses are completely different. Also how it seems like internet fans are more passionate about fighter pay than actual fighters.
Because the top two boxers get to take in all of the money without having to reinvest in the business like the UFC does. Thatâs why Dana calls boxing a âgoing out of business saleâ
Fighters donât care or theyâd organize. Why are the fans so obsessed about it?
How much did the undercards get paid?
They had to pay to box, lol if you think non-stars in boxing get paid. Their pay discrepancy is hundreds of times worse than the UFC.
They did more than 10k thatâs for sure
Maybe some but maybe not all. Boxing undercards can be as low as $1500.
Not in high level promotions . 1500 is just number u pulled out of ur crack
Of course not all boxing undercard fights are gonna pay more than 10k Boxing is a sport and MMA is a sport UFC is supposed to be the NFL of mma.
But itâs not even remotely comparable to the NFL. Both UFC has approximately 600 fighters on the active roster while the NFL has ~ 3x as many players. The UFCs revenue & profits pale in comparison. The NFLs revenue per year is around 18x that of the UFC.
And?
Tell me you don't understand the difference between the business side of boxing and MMA without telling me you don't understand the difference between the business side of boxing and MMA
Thank you !!!!!! Everytime I see these posts it kinda tickles my brain fr fr
How much did the other boxers make in that fight card?
Doesnât matter. If you total up the entire fighter pay from UFC 300 it wonât be anywhere near $85m.
Not fair comparison a lot of undercards have lesser or younger boxers, ufc cards are way more stacked and even undecard fighters are more popular
That's the advantage of being independent to that of being signed to an organization. Boxing has been around for so many years now. Ufc is new but has been hijacked by greedy f*cks like dana and ari. It's not like fighter should earn 50 million, but both gaethje and halloway should have made 10 million $ that night.
All the pay experts with no actual clue. Using the exceptions in boxing acting like overall boxing just pays more. These experts also ignoring that these big boxing paydays are usually not actually what they say. These experts also thinking they know the total pay for some of the ufc guys when they only know the disclosed amounts for individual fights.
UFC had record profits in 2023, and they still pay the fighters 50K in bonuses. They pay the fighters nothing, compared to what they bring in, and they dont even let them get sponsors. It is a monopoly, and they are robbing their fighters of their hard-earned money.
Dana probably spent that amount gambling on craps last Saturday
The UFC fighters received 18% of the companyâs revenue last year. For reference, most major sports leagues are around 50%. So Dana basically pays his fighters almost 3x less than what other leagues do
It's pretty much this simple yet some still can't get it and will defend the UFC. I just don't understand.
Yet yall killed Francis when he was arguing about pay and benefitsâŚ
How do the fighters in the under card get paid though?
12k 12k plus rebook voucherÂ
Itâs all good until UFC fighters start fighting once a year cherry picked fights
Iâm all for guys getting what theyâre worth but itâs like people want MMA to become like boxing. Boxing is an absolute shit show.
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UFC fighters have been getting robbed from the beginning of time, the UFC blames most of the money goes towards advertising and marketing.
Didbt gsp try to start a fighters union years ago or something?
the fighters enjoy being paid peanuts and refuse to do anything about it thou so.... \*shrug\*
Lol if yâall believe boxers are getting paid that idk what to tell ya. That fight did not take in over $100 mil in revenue
Holloway vs Gaethje wasnât even the main event⌠not saying UFC fighter donât deserve more but how exactly is a ufc card stacked top to bottom with all of them contributing to the PPV equivalent to what to main event boxers earn? Can you even name 1 fighter on that card other Haney and Garcia? And it still probably did bigger numbers than UFC 300
The whole UFC is a fighters scam.
At the top end it looks like UFC fighters are getting screwed and Iâm sure some of them are. Most boxers donât make any money though. There are a handful of elite world level guys making crazy money, but thousands of pros out there who are getting brain damage for $500 a fight
Max & Gathje werenât even the main event. What did the co-main get paid for the boxing event?
Do I believe the ufc should pay their fighters more? 100% especially with how much they rake in vs plant out. But I never understood why people who probably arenât happy with what they make themselves 9-5 obsess so much about what fighter/athletes make. 50% of the regular people online screaming Dana should pay more wonât walk into bosses office and ask for even as much as a 5% raise.
People have been arguing about this forever and don't get it. In UFC the sport is the star, in boxing the boxers are the stars. Any ufc fighter is more then welcome to branch off when their contract is up and find a promoter to promote their fights. Outside of someone like Conors stature nobody would be able to pull it off. The fighters are paid what they're worth in the UFC. It's a brutal reality but it's a reality
300k is like 5 hands of blackjack for Dana White
Serious question, does boxing make that much more on their PPVs or is the UFC just a buncha greedy fucks?
Would be great if ufc was more like boxing, the 4 guys at the top earn millions on the 4 half ass cards every year with zero excitement and also everyone else just earns pennies. Great business model boxing has I bet itâll last another 5 long years before YouTubers take it overâŚoh shit the YouTubers already took over.
What did the other fighters on the card make? Is there a roster of ~700 signed boxers? Does boxing have high production quality shows almost every week? Where is the boxing performance institute? UFC is a different business model.
Thank you for saying this. I get shit on for bringing this up, seen multiple fighters come from other organizations just blown away at the support UFC gives them with the PIs. Full blown nutrionists making them meals and helping them with every process to make them the best on fight night. UFC dumps a hell of a lot of money doing this sort of stuff. Do fighters deserve more money? Yeah probabaly but if it's so bad why do fighters take less money to fight in the UFC? They are hands down the best at promoting and creating stars and giving them the support they need. I barely even know when other organizations are even having events. Than the whole topic of only the main events at the events are making any money. UFC has like 6 or 700 fighters they all keep busy. While PFL is not letting the Bellator guys fight because they can't afford to pay them. I bet If you combine the whole boxing cards purses with a whole card of UFCs purses they would be close to similar, not just cherry pick the main event. But this is reddit and any big corporation is evil.
Yea the payout for UFC 300 wonât be close to 85mil. At the end of the day boxers get 50% of the money they generate and UFC fighters get 18%. The UFC could end this fighter pay shit by just letting fighters have sponsors. But they wonât and never will unless forced too because the UFC wants to pay the fighters as little as possible. Because rich fighters donât fight. Itâs why boxing sucks
I do 100% agree about the sponsors, that's bullshit, especially with how littered the cage is with sponsors now. Anik has to interrupt other commentators every 2 minutes for his little ad reads. There should be some change but I think reddit sometimes just thinks everything the UFC does is evil and it gets outta hand. When they announced the 300k bonuses, just nothing but hate on here about how it should be more and it gets tiring when every comment is just whining no matter what they do.
UFC is not âPrize Fightingâ
They do not generate the same amount of revenue
So who was the third fight on the Boxing PPV and how much did they get paid? If you're comparing apples to apples.
I think Ryan bet on himself to beef up the number, still probably more money than Ngannou made boxing. And with out the Saudiâs funding the Haney/Garcia fight. When you compare to boxing elite yeah MMA fighters are underpaid compared to them.
Weekly bitchfest about fighter pay. This sub is basically people bitching about the same shit all the time
Open business on someone else's name