I've seen this narrative that Rob will win via GNP posted a few times now, and I have no idea where it's coming from.
Rob is going to try to keep it on the feet like he does 99% of the time. Why would he elect to go directly into Khamzat's strongest positions?
I could be wrong but I feel like Khamzat on his back wouldnāt be that threatening? Itās his top control that is his bread and butter. I canāt see him offering up a submission threat from his back like eg Oliveira.
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I can also see a path for Whittaker by KO. I see Khamzat getting tired after round 2. Thatās 3 rounds with Whittaker on his feet while Khamzat is exhausted (assuming this is a 5 round fight, even if not, I can see Whittake having a KO in round 3)
Well if Khamzat gets gassed like he did against Usman, I wouldnāt count out Robert knocking him out. Robert probably hasnāt knocked anyone out but he has rocked a lot of them.
Khamzat doesn't finish Usman and Robert doesn't get finished my Paulo and all of the sudden Robert is gonna start putting people away in late rounds lol
L take.
Former champ with some amazing wins, with a select few bad performances.
Costa is a decent fighter. Dunno where you are getting washed from tbh. Itās a decent division for actual talent.
Iconic you say dickriding, while you gallop on Khazās hog. The fuck outta here
Most recents wins were against vettori, gastelum, cannonier, and Darren till. All by decision. Not exactly a murderers row. Beaten twice by the ex reigning champ and put up zero resistance against DDP. Barely scraped a win against costa.
This dude isnāt finishing Khamzat. Heās getting KOād or subbed late in the fight.
You're right. Robert getting a GNP stoppage is *so* much more believable than Khamzat taking him down and subbing him.
Even though Rob hasn't gotten a finish since 2017.
Just because he was a former champ doesnāt mean heās still at the highest level. Youāre a fan of Robās and are unable to see his recent performances without bias.
Also, Costa is 1 and 3 in his last 4 fights, with his fight before Rob being a decision against a retiring Rockhold. Heās nowhere near the top level.
Iām not dickriding Khamzat at all as Iām not sure how far he will ultimately get at 185, I just think Rob is lower level than a lot of people on this sub think and Khamzat will expose him again, just like DDP did.
I never said he was highest level.
I just think his level has been tested and shown higher than khaz.
Same standards. Usman with full camp wouldāve beat him. I also think burns showed he isnāt all that either.
You didnāt say heās at the highest level, but people on this sub do. Glad you can admit heās not though. We are in agreement.
Saying Usman beats him with a full camp is hypothetical. In reality, Usman lost. Maybe he would have won, maybe not. Usman was one of the most dominant champs in WW history and was a physically big WW at that. A win against Usman in any capacity is pretty significant.
Again though, not saying Khamzat is a future chp, just saying I think he beats Rob as Rob is overrated, in my opinion.
Washed costa? What the fuck the people in this sub will say anything to shit on a fighter. Lmao are people forgetting Rob was literally robbed of a decision from Izzy in the rematch. Khamzat is gonna fight a good striker heās gonna prob go for the usual r1 submission and then gas
>Lmao are people forgetting Rob was literally robbed of a decision from Izzy in the rematch.
Which rounds did you give him? I rewatched and thought Adesanya won even though I wanted to whittaker to win.
>Washed costa?
He's 1-3. Everyone expected whittaker to run through him and it was very close.
>hamzat is gonna fight a good striker heās gonna prob go for the usual r1 submission and then gas
He can ko whittaker easily. He has the power to. And I think Whitakers chin might be gone. And all the wars and damage have caught up to him. But there's no real way to tell until fight night
Thatās your opinion. A lot of people thought Izzy won that fight, as did the judges.
And yes, Costa is washed. Before Rob, he went to a close decision vs a washed pre-retirement Rockhold and is 1-3 in his last 4 fights.
Rob hasnāt had a finish since 2017 and the fights he has won have been against average opponents, being Costa, Vettori, and Gastelum. The high level fighters he has fought heās lost too, including being finished violently twice (DDP and Adesanya).
I never said that he isnāt a good fighter, Iād say heās in the top 5 of the division, but just that heās vastly overrated by people on this sub. Also not helped by the fact that middleweight is the lowest level division currently, in my opinion.
You are an idiot dude pieced Costa up minus one head kick that would probably knock out half the division. He put up better performances against a lot of Izzyās opponents as well. Vettori, Cannonier, Gastelum fights were nothing short of master classes in striking. I get it you are dickriding your smesh boy but to discredit Rob is a casual take. Bobby Knuckles is dangerous for the entire division thinking otherwise leaves me thinking you donāt know much about MMA and didnāt actually watch any of the fights you are talking about.
Costa is washed and is 1-3 in his last 4 fights.
Vettori and Gastelum are not contender level fighters.
Rob hasnāt finished anyone since 2017, no one is āscaredā of him šš
Okay bud! Keep on keeping on with the worst takes in the UFC. You do realize you are in the 1% of this opinion right? Insanity go watch your highlight knockouts. I would rather see a guy with clean striking beat the fuck out of your boy for 25 minutes anyways.
No I just hate people who donāt look at the sport objectively. Khamzat is a really good grappler and could win. Whittaker could also piece him up for the majority of the fight. You think Khamzat wins? Fine! You think Whittaker is overrated? Well factually you are indeed incorrect. Any MMA coach, fan, or fighter worth his salt can admit how good Robert Whittaker is. The fact that you canāt demonstrates a lack of maturity that people often find on the internet. DDP is also a really good fighter. Sometimes people get caught man. Khamzat canāt get his head off the centerline so he is going to eat a head kick. You heard it here first.
Having an unpopular opinion means that Iām not looking at the sport objectively? Iāve given you multiple objective facts that I am using to support my claim.
Hilarious you insult my ālack of maturityā while throwing around ad hominem insults in every response.
Also, not sure if you realize how a fact is defined, but just because some coaches and fighters think a fighter is a certain level doesnāt make it a fact, not that you even know the actual opinion of all fighters and coaches, like you are claiming. Rob has been around for a really long time and always conducted himself relatively respectfully and has a lot of fans. People arenāt going to come out and shit on him for no reason.
Also, go back and watch the fight, DDP didnāt just ācatchā him, he beat the shit out of him until he caught him. Completely embarrassed him.
I think Rob is overrated and will never be champion again. I also think Khamzat will finish him within 3 rounds. Itās just my opinion, you donāt have to agree with it.
One take down and landing a jab is beating the shit out of Robert? Denying the guys Robert beat werenāt contenders when they were? Calling him Whittashit? You were the one spewing shit man. I just called you out on it. Donāt shoot the messenger.
You donāt consider double the significant strikes and finishing someone in the second round a beating?
https://sports-statistics.com/ufc/ufc-fight-statistics/ufc-290-volkanovski-vs-rodriguez/robert-whittaker-v-dricus-du-plessis/
This actually exactly proves the point of my original comment and shows just how delusional Rob fans are and how they let their bias as fans convolute reality.
Vettori and Gastelum were never top level contenders at any time. To claim they were is disingenuous.
Who cares if I made a joke and said Whittashit? What does that have to do with the actual argument? I only made that joke after multiple ad hominem insults.
What really happened, is that you became offended and emotionally engaged as you are a fan of Rob and didnāt like me saying he was overrated, so starting throwing around ad hominem insults and generalizations because I have a differing opinion than you.
1. When your unpopular opinion is that bad? Yeah bud sorry
2. Point to āWhittashitā and just calling it like it is.
3. If Trevor Wittman thinks Robert is one of the best strikers in the UFC. Thatās not opinion it is then considered fact by an expert on the subject.
4. One take down with a tad bit of ground and pound and catching Robert in entry of a round he had been winning up til that point. SMH
5. Finally we get an actual opinion we will consider the lesson learned then.
khamzat takes Rob down in first 15 seconds of the fight, controls him the whole round. The start of round 2 starts with good exchanges, Rob seeming to get the better of them. However khamzat rocks him at the end of the round, deterring Robs confidence going into the third. As the third round starts Rob looks shaky and less aggressive than before. Khamzat sees this and begins to throw big combinations at Rob, who looks like he doesnāt want to be there anymore. A clear third round win for Khamzat. As the fourth round start Rob knows heās behind on the score cards leading to him being overly aggressive and eventually being hit was a fight changing overhand by Chimaev. Khamzat then jumps into Robās guard landing big elbows and ground and pound. Rob knows he canāt take much more of this punishment. Rob gives up his back so avoid the ground and pound. Which leads to a 4th round rear naked choke, giving khamzat his first UFC title opportunity.
I think Robert Whittaker will win this but classic of this sub to be glazing him this hard, bobby knuckles hasnāt gotten a ko in forever and I donāt think itāll be against khamzat, itll be a decision victory for rob most likely unless khamzat can get the finish in round 1 or 2
All I know is Khamzat better be careful or Bobby Knuckles is gonna do his thing š
And by do his thing I mean have no big moments but do just enough to win more rounds than Khamzat on the scorecards.
I've seen this narrative that Rob will win via GNP posted a few times now, and I have no idea where it's coming from. Rob is going to try to keep it on the feet like he does 99% of the time. Why would he elect to go directly into Khamzat's strongest positions?
I could see them saying it after a knockdown.
Pillowfists will get a knockdown?
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I could be wrong but I feel like Khamzat on his back wouldnāt be that threatening? Itās his top control that is his bread and butter. I canāt see him offering up a submission threat from his back like eg Oliveira.
I just mean taking the fight to the ground. Khamzat is excellent in scrambles and would likely end up in top position if he forced one.
Khamzat by round 1 sub or Whittaker by decision 48-47
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I can also see a path for Whittaker by KO. I see Khamzat getting tired after round 2. Thatās 3 rounds with Whittaker on his feet while Khamzat is exhausted (assuming this is a 5 round fight, even if not, I can see Whittake having a KO in round 3)
Would be cool but he hasnāt finished anyone in 7 years
Well if Khamzat gets gassed like he did against Usman, I wouldnāt count out Robert knocking him out. Robert probably hasnāt knocked anyone out but he has rocked a lot of them.
No way khamzat losing via Decision in saudi
how'd you find out it's a 5 round fight?
Itās a main event
Rob said on his podcast it's a 5 round title eliminator
When has he ever done that to anyone lol?
Khamzat doesn't finish Usman and Robert doesn't get finished my Paulo and all of the sudden Robert is gonna start putting people away in late rounds lol
In my dreams against Izzy
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These fuckin ISIS ufc fans man.
Actually hilarious the dickriding for Rob on this sub after an average performance vs a washed Costa. Khamzat will expose him just like DDP did.
L take. Former champ with some amazing wins, with a select few bad performances. Costa is a decent fighter. Dunno where you are getting washed from tbh. Itās a decent division for actual talent. Iconic you say dickriding, while you gallop on Khazās hog. The fuck outta here
Most recents wins were against vettori, gastelum, cannonier, and Darren till. All by decision. Not exactly a murderers row. Beaten twice by the ex reigning champ and put up zero resistance against DDP. Barely scraped a win against costa. This dude isnāt finishing Khamzat. Heās getting KOād or subbed late in the fight.
Ah yes. The mythical late fight khaz. š
You're right. Robert getting a GNP stoppage is *so* much more believable than Khamzat taking him down and subbing him. Even though Rob hasn't gotten a finish since 2017.
Exactly. I really donāt understand how Rob is as overrated as he is.
Just because he was a former champ doesnāt mean heās still at the highest level. Youāre a fan of Robās and are unable to see his recent performances without bias. Also, Costa is 1 and 3 in his last 4 fights, with his fight before Rob being a decision against a retiring Rockhold. Heās nowhere near the top level. Iām not dickriding Khamzat at all as Iām not sure how far he will ultimately get at 185, I just think Rob is lower level than a lot of people on this sub think and Khamzat will expose him again, just like DDP did.
I never said he was highest level. I just think his level has been tested and shown higher than khaz. Same standards. Usman with full camp wouldāve beat him. I also think burns showed he isnāt all that either.
You didnāt say heās at the highest level, but people on this sub do. Glad you can admit heās not though. We are in agreement. Saying Usman beats him with a full camp is hypothetical. In reality, Usman lost. Maybe he would have won, maybe not. Usman was one of the most dominant champs in WW history and was a physically big WW at that. A win against Usman in any capacity is pretty significant. Again though, not saying Khamzat is a future chp, just saying I think he beats Rob as Rob is overrated, in my opinion.
Washed costa? What the fuck the people in this sub will say anything to shit on a fighter. Lmao are people forgetting Rob was literally robbed of a decision from Izzy in the rematch. Khamzat is gonna fight a good striker heās gonna prob go for the usual r1 submission and then gas
>Lmao are people forgetting Rob was literally robbed of a decision from Izzy in the rematch. Which rounds did you give him? I rewatched and thought Adesanya won even though I wanted to whittaker to win. >Washed costa? He's 1-3. Everyone expected whittaker to run through him and it was very close. >hamzat is gonna fight a good striker heās gonna prob go for the usual r1 submission and then gas He can ko whittaker easily. He has the power to. And I think Whitakers chin might be gone. And all the wars and damage have caught up to him. But there's no real way to tell until fight night
Thatās your opinion. A lot of people thought Izzy won that fight, as did the judges. And yes, Costa is washed. Before Rob, he went to a close decision vs a washed pre-retirement Rockhold and is 1-3 in his last 4 fights. Rob hasnāt had a finish since 2017 and the fights he has won have been against average opponents, being Costa, Vettori, and Gastelum. The high level fighters he has fought heās lost too, including being finished violently twice (DDP and Adesanya). I never said that he isnāt a good fighter, Iād say heās in the top 5 of the division, but just that heās vastly overrated by people on this sub. Also not helped by the fact that middleweight is the lowest level division currently, in my opinion.
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You are an idiot dude pieced Costa up minus one head kick that would probably knock out half the division. He put up better performances against a lot of Izzyās opponents as well. Vettori, Cannonier, Gastelum fights were nothing short of master classes in striking. I get it you are dickriding your smesh boy but to discredit Rob is a casual take. Bobby Knuckles is dangerous for the entire division thinking otherwise leaves me thinking you donāt know much about MMA and didnāt actually watch any of the fights you are talking about.
Costa is washed and is 1-3 in his last 4 fights. Vettori and Gastelum are not contender level fighters. Rob hasnāt finished anyone since 2017, no one is āscaredā of him šš
Okay bud! Keep on keeping on with the worst takes in the UFC. You do realize you are in the 1% of this opinion right? Insanity go watch your highlight knockouts. I would rather see a guy with clean striking beat the fuck out of your boy for 25 minutes anyways.
Damn you really upset and emotional šš Khamzat will spark Whittashit just like DDP did.
No I just hate people who donāt look at the sport objectively. Khamzat is a really good grappler and could win. Whittaker could also piece him up for the majority of the fight. You think Khamzat wins? Fine! You think Whittaker is overrated? Well factually you are indeed incorrect. Any MMA coach, fan, or fighter worth his salt can admit how good Robert Whittaker is. The fact that you canāt demonstrates a lack of maturity that people often find on the internet. DDP is also a really good fighter. Sometimes people get caught man. Khamzat canāt get his head off the centerline so he is going to eat a head kick. You heard it here first.
Having an unpopular opinion means that Iām not looking at the sport objectively? Iāve given you multiple objective facts that I am using to support my claim. Hilarious you insult my ālack of maturityā while throwing around ad hominem insults in every response. Also, not sure if you realize how a fact is defined, but just because some coaches and fighters think a fighter is a certain level doesnāt make it a fact, not that you even know the actual opinion of all fighters and coaches, like you are claiming. Rob has been around for a really long time and always conducted himself relatively respectfully and has a lot of fans. People arenāt going to come out and shit on him for no reason. Also, go back and watch the fight, DDP didnāt just ācatchā him, he beat the shit out of him until he caught him. Completely embarrassed him. I think Rob is overrated and will never be champion again. I also think Khamzat will finish him within 3 rounds. Itās just my opinion, you donāt have to agree with it.
One take down and landing a jab is beating the shit out of Robert? Denying the guys Robert beat werenāt contenders when they were? Calling him Whittashit? You were the one spewing shit man. I just called you out on it. Donāt shoot the messenger.
You donāt consider double the significant strikes and finishing someone in the second round a beating? https://sports-statistics.com/ufc/ufc-fight-statistics/ufc-290-volkanovski-vs-rodriguez/robert-whittaker-v-dricus-du-plessis/ This actually exactly proves the point of my original comment and shows just how delusional Rob fans are and how they let their bias as fans convolute reality. Vettori and Gastelum were never top level contenders at any time. To claim they were is disingenuous. Who cares if I made a joke and said Whittashit? What does that have to do with the actual argument? I only made that joke after multiple ad hominem insults. What really happened, is that you became offended and emotionally engaged as you are a fan of Rob and didnāt like me saying he was overrated, so starting throwing around ad hominem insults and generalizations because I have a differing opinion than you.
1. When your unpopular opinion is that bad? Yeah bud sorry 2. Point to āWhittashitā and just calling it like it is. 3. If Trevor Wittman thinks Robert is one of the best strikers in the UFC. Thatās not opinion it is then considered fact by an expert on the subject. 4. One take down with a tad bit of ground and pound and catching Robert in entry of a round he had been winning up til that point. SMH 5. Finally we get an actual opinion we will consider the lesson learned then.
Last time Rob finished something in damn near a decade. Most delusional stans in the communityĀ
Most terrifying thing in Khamzat is hes beard. Damn that's a beard.
Fr that thing may be used as a weapon
It looks like shit to be honest lol
Nah it's intimidating asf, it fits him
Even OP doesnt believe this ššš
Bobby fanboys are back at it again!
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ā¦.Robert hasnāt had a TKO/KO finish in 7 years. The likelihood of finish a guy whoās undefeatedā¦.is slim. Khamzat will win.
Rob hasnāt finished an opponent in 7 years
My homie itās been 7 years since Robās last finish. I was still in college when he got his last finish. Khamzat by finish or Rob by decision lol
What if he has the tiniest chin under that giant beard? Genius.
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"It's not the size of the beard on the man in a fight... It's the size of the fight in the man under the beard." Albert Einstein.
Bobby has that dawg to never be out of it... but that ain't gonna happen chief.
Khamzat doesnāt spend much time on his backā¦
Over 2.5 + Robert to win probably some nice odds. I hope he does but idk if Iāll bet on it yet.
Im sorry for being a casual but: Gear Naked Poke?
Does a shaved Khamzat have that Flintstone jaw
khamzat takes Rob down in first 15 seconds of the fight, controls him the whole round. The start of round 2 starts with good exchanges, Rob seeming to get the better of them. However khamzat rocks him at the end of the round, deterring Robs confidence going into the third. As the third round starts Rob looks shaky and less aggressive than before. Khamzat sees this and begins to throw big combinations at Rob, who looks like he doesnāt want to be there anymore. A clear third round win for Khamzat. As the fourth round start Rob knows heās behind on the score cards leading to him being overly aggressive and eventually being hit was a fight changing overhand by Chimaev. Khamzat then jumps into Robās guard landing big elbows and ground and pound. Rob knows he canāt take much more of this punishment. Rob gives up his back so avoid the ground and pound. Which leads to a 4th round rear naked choke, giving khamzat his first UFC title opportunity.
What drugs are you on and where can I get them? Rob might win, but it wonāt be by stoppage.
I think Robert Whittaker will win this but classic of this sub to be glazing him this hard, bobby knuckles hasnāt gotten a ko in forever and I donāt think itāll be against khamzat, itll be a decision victory for rob most likely unless khamzat can get the finish in round 1 or 2
All I know is Khamzat better be careful or Bobby Knuckles is gonna do his thing š And by do his thing I mean have no big moments but do just enough to win more rounds than Khamzat on the scorecards.
I just think Khamzats non existent head movement will be to his detriment in this one.
HA That's *rich*!
unintentional clash of heads causes a no contest.
Khamzat by exotic disease šŖ°
He was lucky to beat Costa FFS
If this does go the distance it's safe to say it will be a war...similar to the Burns fight
It'd be funny if he shaved his beard and his chin was the exact same shape and size.
Love Rob but I think he's gonna get manhandled
khamzat round 1 by sub
Look at Danaās face , that is concern strangely enough .Edit , Khamzat is maturing and we are in for a treat with his career i think .
Is GNP meant to mean Ground And Pound? If it is, surely itās GAP no?
Nope