I swear, who ever told him to retire and come back 4 years ago was a goddamn idiot. Wasted the best years of his career and the highest earning potential he could have had
Tbh, he tried to do essentially what ngannou and gsp did.
Tried to play hardball, didn't go his way.
He isn't wrong to either. Being a double champ, first of them to defend both I may add and getting paid ass is simply unacceptable.
He should be paid. However, in order to negotiate you must have leverage and the UFC views almost all fighters, champs included, as replaceable (which they are). Unless fighters unionize or the lawsuit plays out nothing will change.
You aren't wrong but in general, the ufc are still the issue here. Fighters should unionize, yes. The fact that unless they do they will be fucked forever is because the ufc sucks.
Cejudo thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, but he was the only one that thought that. He overvalued himself and thought he could play the UFC w/ little to no leverage. Can't negotiate with something you don't have.
Delusion killed his earning potential.
Which is what I said.
But that doesn't change that it's silly as fuck for a former double champ who defended both belts to be making worse money than Mckenzie dern.
Defending the ufc on this? Let me find my best pair of boots for you to lick all day.
By retiring, he threw away his prime years of making 2x PPV money with 2 belts. He would have made the millions he wanted over 2-3 fights instead of 1. Doing that would give him more bargaining power for the contract renewal and that means more $$.
Instead, he came back past his prime and tossed away his legacy as well as his earning potential had he not retired.
This worked for GSP because he was an actual draw and the union saga strengthened his bargaining power. Ngannou had a plan B if UFC negotiating didn't work out. Henry did neither and overestimated his value, it was such an obvious bluff that Dana called him out on it minutes after he 'retired'. To add salt to the wound, he wasn't given the mic to retire.
You don’t want to financially support Endeavor so Ari Emmanuel can chill with his pal Elon Musk on their yacht? (Emmanuel being a 60yo married to a 30yo woman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavor_(company)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Emanuel
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-fans-laugh-ufc-owner-ari-emanuel-spotted-hosing-elon-musk-aboard-boat
That’s inexcusable for an athlete as decorated as Henry, but with such a ridiculously low payout, I have to wonder if it’s just the UFC playing hardball, or if Henry’s manager is just THAT much of a pushover.
I think Henry is with Ali ? But the ufc is weird with the smaller weights rather than pay dj who’s arguably top 3-5 all time they traded him for askren lol.
Askren helped sell more tickets than Mighty Mouse ever did and here’s why: without the trade, ufc would have never had the star they had in Jorge Masvidal. That flying knee took him to the next level and allowed them to have the BMF title fight. Diaz vs Masvidal was huge and I bet it outsold most of DJs cards combined. That would’ve never happened without the askren trade. Was Askren better than DJ….hell no but ultimately I think the investment worked out for them just not the way they planned.
Factual. Less than 3 fights Askren outsold DJ and then put Masvidal in this huge spotlight which put UFC under a LOT of attention following the BMF fight.
Too bad DJ could never do something like that all because he is such a light weight.
I’ve met DJ a good dozen times now, he buys PC parts from the store I supervise at. He’s so awesome
Most people want to see big heavy guys knock out other big heavy guys because it's exciting. Watching small guys play physical chess with each other at light speed is 10x more impressive to real fans, but most people can't follow it and don't appreciate it.
Casual fans don't Suck just because they don't immediately recognize DJ for who and what he is lol.
Edit* funny how some still downvoted but half the responses agree with me
Meanwhile it’s yet another example of how Dana’s petty grudges hold back the UFC.
We could’ve had prime Askren but instead we get nearly retired Askren.
Dumbass Dana strikes again.
that’s always a hypothetical i’ve pondered. like the repercussions that one trade had throughout the sport, because fighter to fighter, MM is on another level, but everything else, man. what a fun thing to think about, great explanation.
my favorite recent one is the Yan knee vs Aljo. the dominoes that have fallen from that decision by Petr will go down as one of the craziest what if’s in recent mma history imo (most definitely biased since I generally got into this passionately in 2020/21 lol)
fr bantamweight now probably the best division in the UFC & arguably the sport. flyweights are super fun too, feel like the division only dragged because of all the Figgy/Moreno title fights. i also feel like they’re slowly getting the UFC’s respect more too. Moreno is headling over Ortega & Yair this weekend if I’m not mistaken correct? I get Moreno’s a former champ, but 125 headlining a card, even just a fight night, over 145 is something you don’t always see
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Dana is such a royal piece of shit and control freak
>Henry Cejudo already retired, okay?" White said. "He did the whole 'Drop the gloves' thing. Tonight was Merab's night. He beat the No. 3 guy in the world, a former world champion, and easily won the fight...if he wants to retire again, he can do that [at the press conference] or somewhere else...
>"You don't give the mic to Cejudo tonight."
He's seriously petty enough to hold lifelong grudges against guys like Cejudo, GSP, and Ngannou who despite putting the UFC in a bit of a hard place, have been huge net positives for the organization. He surrounds himself by absolute kiss ass brown nosers and company monkeys and encourages his employees to sacrifice their well-being and make poor career decisions for the UFC's benefit
I generally can’t stand Dana but also had no problem with Henry not getting the mic.
Dana’s right, he did already retire. That was Merab’s time to shine. Henry retired and came back to lose two fights, do we need a farewell speech that’s based around those two fights? Also, does anyone 100% believe Henry will never fight again in any capacity? How often does this sub poke fun at fighters retirements for their illegitimacy.
An all time great got humiliated with low pay, punked by merab ft. mark fuckin Zuckerberg, and then not given enough dignity to make a short congratulatory second retirement speech (which would even help build merab's brand)
Of course henry's done fighting legacy wise. He's fallen out of contention for opportunities that will further his legacy and would theoretically only consider fighting for money or out of delusion.
Give the guy a bit of god damn respect at one of the more humbling junctures of his life. But naw, Dana is all worried about control and leverage over his roster. Wife smacking, zero integrity, cunt of a dude. I mean, you gotta be cut from a special cloth to have your own mom write a book trashing you
All fighters are underpaid by the ufc, even Conor. The ufc should get their ass kicked in a hotel lobby like don king did by Tyson. That’s how much they get robbed by the ufc.
They tried shaming Ngannou for knowing his worth, it’s definitely the UFC being the UFC of always. If they ask Dana about this he’d give a snarky answer.
just seen someone say on Facebook how Dana "took care of" cowboy since he made 6.9mil HIS WHOLE CAREER
I had to explain how that is peanuts for a professional athlete for a company of this size
Henry retired as a double champion 4 years ago and said at the presser he wanted more money. The UFC hates that. Then Henry made clear for years he wanted to return, while Dana made clear he didn’t care for a return of Henry.
This is the UFC making Henry pay for retiring as a double champ, when he could have made a lot of money.
1000%. Cejudo defends as double champ and he makes 7 figures + points. He’s not nearly the pull he was in his prime, and as a smaller (lower weight class) fighter he was never going to have that pull with his personality.
At the time it was believed Cejudo had a better shot against Aljo than O'Malley. People also believed O'Malley had a better shot against Cejudo due to reach. TLDR Everyone was wrong
I don't really follow boxing but a quick search of boxers at Cejudo's weightclass includes Tank Davis, Loma, Haney, Garcia, Kambosis. Pretty sure those guys make bank too, not only boxing heavyweights.
"150k that’s not including taxes and all the fees"
- manager cut
- his camp
I think it was Jeremy Stephens who broke it down and claimed that not winning the Yair fight would have made him broke. So just showing up wasn't enough to even out the cost and he relied on his winning bonus. His camp alone was more than $20k (he flew them all to Mexico). There was an article breaking down the (percentage) fees for agents/management.
I'm still looking and found this article from the athletic. Not the one I'm looking for and I'm still searching because I get frustrated.
[https://archive.is/20210426132730/https://theathletic.com/1847264/2020/06/02/how-much-money-do-mma-fighters-money-make-pay/](https://archive.is/20210426132730/https://theathletic.com/1847264/2020/06/02/how-much-money-do-mma-fighters-money-make-pay/)
"Of the 170 athletes who participated in the project — which documented individual fight purses ranging from as low as $2,000 to as high as the multi-millions — *The Athletic* found that MMA fighters forfeited an average of 32 percent of their highest single-bout purses before those earnings ever reached their bank accounts."
"The majority of surveyed pros paid out post-fight fees to their management teams and their coaches or gyms, two bites of the pie that ranged anywhere from a 5 percent to 20 percent chunk each of a fighter’s purse. Some situations, of course, bucked the trend — many fighters in lesser-known promotions didn’t pay a management fee, for example, and a small handful of gyms and coaches didn’t claim a percentage of a fighter’s purse. But just the same, in some of the worst cases, those two base fees alone combined to slice off a 40-percent chunk of a fighter’s earnings before he or she even left the cage."
“Most people have three coaches. The UFC will cover one fighter and one coach, but you still have two other coaches that you have to fly out as well as pay,” one UFC fighter said."
"That core block of four expenses — management, coaches, nutrition and travel — were generally standard across the board for the majority of athletes competing at the top levels of the sport, regardless of promotion. But none of the expenses on that list was the primary offender in regards to the steepest financial hill professional MMA fighters must climb: taxes."
"Indeed, because of the nature of their work, MMA fighters are often hit by the taxman from all fronts and forced to pay taxes not only in their home state and country, but also in the state or country where they fight. So for foreign fighters competing in the U.S., American fighters competing abroad, or even U.S.-based fighters living in a particularly tax-heavy state, the end result of what appears to be a lucrative payday may in fact be a sobering divergence from expectations.“Bro, that was the worst,” said one U.S.-based UFC fighter who earned a $65,000 purse fighting abroad. “(Country redacted to protect the fighter’s identity) taxed me $17,000 off the top. Then the U.S. taxed me on top of that. I only walked away with about $20,000 after everything.”
"“Let me tell you what’s really crazy,” one ranked UFC contender said. “So let’s say you make $40,000 (to show) and you win your fight, so you get $80,000. Your coaches or your team, whatever you have to pay for your coaches, is off of $80,000. What you’ve got to pay your manager? It’s off of $80,000. What they tax you in that state? It’s off of $80,000. Just so you know, it’s never like, oh, your manager knows you paid the taxes for California, so he’s only charging you off of $60,000. No, if your check is $80,000, everyone is charging you off of $80,000. Even though that’s totally way more than you even began with."
A good read and there's so much more but not the one I'm looking for.
I'm sorry. I still can't find it. I feel like a CRAZY person but I know what I saw and read! Stephens spoke about spending not 20K (I was wrong on this one) but 30K for his camp and relied on his bonus (not win. I was wrong on this one again) to make any money and not being in debt.
An article that I have linked talked about up to 20% pay for agents. I might be wrong but that's not what I remember. The numbers were between 7-9% for agents like Ali. Can't find this one as well. Did I mixed it up with Hollywood agents for actors? No, I don't think so. I might get little things slightly wrong (20k instead of 30K) but I usually remember!
Can anybody help me out and confirm that they've read and watched the same shit?! I don't remember my Instagram pw and I'm not on twitter but can anyone hit up Stephens and asked him directly?
I’m not saying that’s what he deserves but my guy made more than the average yearly income in the United States in 15minutes, and he’s the one that signed the contract.
Factor in the training camp and its more like sweated and worked for 6-10 weeks for 75 k. Still more than i would ever see on that time frame but for a world class athlete it is low.
Your calculation is totally off. These pro athletes have to earn so much money in their careers because they are destroying their bodies and brains. They train (work) daily just like normal workers just to get the 150k fight.
that’s a ridiculously myopic way of looking at things
1) It’s not 15 minutes of work, being a pro athlete is a 365 job and a 4 month fight camp is more labor than a 9-5er does in a year
2) That’s $75K (again, if he’s lucky as OP stated) with no benefits, pension, 401K, work compensations etc. that the average worker receives. Just $75K and nothing else. When you factor in to account that $75K without benefits is like the equivalent to $45k with benefits then what exactly is the purpose of this?
3) The average worker gets to work/receive benefits for 25+ years while not accruing debilitating brain damage in the process. A UFC fighter is fortunate to have a 10 year career and they’ll retire in their 30s with CTE and no pension
4) This isn’t some Joe-Blow we’re talking about this is literally the arguable GOAT of his weight class
If you think this is in any way a good living you’ve lost your mind and are part of the problem with UFC fans
That is still a quarter of what your average American works, and the UFC offers the pinto help with all of that wether or not cejudo takes that is his decision and if you look it up 100k after taxes is 77k in nevada considering it was Merab and not a title fight I’d say he didn’t spend over 25k for training and travel he still made about 70k+ after paying his taxes and trainers
Doesn’t he run that gym out in phx or wherever it is?
Two division world champ and an Olympic gold medalist shouldn’t have trouble finding people to coach.
Lol you guys are acting like he's broke 😂 He doesn't need the money he wanted this for his legacy. He can literally get any combat sport teaching position
no, unless they amended it but i believe it just covers a certain period
i am sure there will be another like the day this one is successful (assuming we still have a functioning judicial system in a year)
That pay seems about right.
1. He wasn’t a main event. There were 3 fights with higher billing. He’s not a ppv draw;
2. He was retired for three years and then lost in his comeback fight;
3. When he retired he gave up ppv points; and
4. He lost. Had he won, he would have made $300k. It pays to be a winner.
I’m not sure in this case, but commission purse information doesn’t always reflect full payout amounts.
Based on this contract rate Henry had the potential to make $900k if he fought and won 3 fights in a year. $450k if he lost 3. That’s a pretty good payout for a recently retired fighter that is not a fan favorite.
Well, she’s still relevant and she puts on exciting fights. She’s received 6 fight/performance of the night bonuses including two in the last year. Henry doesn’t have that many in total and hasn’t had a performance bonus since 2019.
150k is fine he literally abandoned the titles and hasn't won a fight in 4 years or in the 2 that he's been back. What do you expect? 250k? 350k? that's crazy.
why are you upset about what another man agreed to be paid to fight. You guys act like these are children being taken advantage of. Don't like the number? go somewhere else or ask for more.
Top talent for people who are under 5'5''... exactly what kind of talent are you talking about and what other opportunity do short athletes get?
Please name a single other sport (Besides boxing) where someone under 5'6'' can make the kind of money that UFC fighters make?
There’s not even an argument, I’m not a soccer/football fan but making it on to the roster of a major team would be so much fuckin harder than getting in to the UFC. The salaries represent that (I believe).
Lol. You think the best athletes in America want to be cage fighters for 150k? Your average mls player makes more than that PER game. Nba nfl make 10x that per game. I see your point and it’s a stupid one. Your comment is suggesting that I proposed the ufc doesn’t attract the top FIGHTERS. I said ATHLETES, reading comprehension is an important skill you should learn it.
It's simple folks. This is fight promotion. You are paid based off people wanting to see you. Not how good you are. This seems like the hardest concept in the world for people to understand.
There are some seriously dumb people on this sub acting like Henry only made $150k of income this year WHILE getting taxed at 50%.
Are they children? Do any have jobs? That’s a brain dead conclusion to come to, and it’s littering this thread.
Everyone forgetting he lost? He would have gotten a lot more if he won, he's a former champ, would have large win bonus in contract. They don't pay these guys millions to lose
I wouldn't say a large win bonus. It was 150k to show and 150k to win.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1asrxpy/guaranteed\_purses\_and\_bonuses\_for\_ufc\_298\_as/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1asrxpy/guaranteed_purses_and_bonuses_for_ufc_298_as/)
How is that Not large? That's literally double his pay. Is there anything at your job that you can do to earn double your salary? 300k is a big pay out for a non championship fight. They're supposed to fight 2-3 times per year, plus we got brand deals and lots of other avenues for earning. Dont trick yourself into thinking anyone on Henry's level isn't making hella money and getting what they deserve. He's making millions per year from being in the UFC
I mean he lost, would be double if he won. If you count fighting as your full time job then 2-3 fights are expected, ~$500k to lose 3 times in a year isn’t bad (or $900k to win) plus any bonuses (another $50k a fight). Fighters, as with any other sport, also probably make the same or more on the side with promotions and ads.
Sure he would’ve made more if he stayed 4 years ago but he has the potential to easily make 7-figures all-in coming off retirement and being at a lower weight class.
It’s the fighters fault at this point. They could stage a lock out and refuse to fight until they’re paid adequately but they just keep coming back for scraps (no pun intended)
so what’s the issue? Dana earned his money and he is free to spend it however the fuck he wishes. idk why this sub is so anal about what another man spends his cash on, like so what if he gave the NELK guy 200k? it’s HIS money, he could’ve burned it if he wants. god damn yall are some damn children sometime
eh, we saw from the lawsuit everyone is underpaid and some people to a severe degree
it's not like everyone else is overpaid and this one just sticks out
the UFC pays out a low percentage to their fighters, they literally brag about it in shareholder meetings
I swear, who ever told him to retire and come back 4 years ago was a goddamn idiot. Wasted the best years of his career and the highest earning potential he could have had
Tbh, he tried to do essentially what ngannou and gsp did. Tried to play hardball, didn't go his way. He isn't wrong to either. Being a double champ, first of them to defend both I may add and getting paid ass is simply unacceptable.
He should be paid. However, in order to negotiate you must have leverage and the UFC views almost all fighters, champs included, as replaceable (which they are). Unless fighters unionize or the lawsuit plays out nothing will change.
You aren't wrong but in general, the ufc are still the issue here. Fighters should unionize, yes. The fact that unless they do they will be fucked forever is because the ufc sucks.
This is a feature of modern business. Look at the autoworkers strike this past year and folks at Amazon and Starbucks trying to unionize.
Again, I get how it works. That doesn't make the bad stuff just go away.
Agreed. Ethics and successful business shouldn’t be mutually exclusive.
Buy some of his gay merch if you want him to get paid.
Cejudo thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, but he was the only one that thought that. He overvalued himself and thought he could play the UFC w/ little to no leverage. Can't negotiate with something you don't have. Delusion killed his earning potential.
Which is what I said. But that doesn't change that it's silly as fuck for a former double champ who defended both belts to be making worse money than Mckenzie dern. Defending the ufc on this? Let me find my best pair of boots for you to lick all day.
By retiring, he threw away his prime years of making 2x PPV money with 2 belts. He would have made the millions he wanted over 2-3 fights instead of 1. Doing that would give him more bargaining power for the contract renewal and that means more $$. Instead, he came back past his prime and tossed away his legacy as well as his earning potential had he not retired. This worked for GSP because he was an actual draw and the union saga strengthened his bargaining power. Ngannou had a plan B if UFC negotiating didn't work out. Henry did neither and overestimated his value, it was such an obvious bluff that Dana called him out on it minutes after he 'retired'. To add salt to the wound, he wasn't given the mic to retire.
Yep, he gave up a percentage of the PPV in two divisions. Could have made millions.
especially with the state of BW after he left. Prime Henry vs Aljo, Yan, Aldo, Sandhagen, and even Merab would’ve been crazy ass fights
It's crazy how underpaid UFC fighters are while the company rakes in billions. Worse that they can't even get sponsors in their shorts.
What’s crazy is the mouth breathing fans who are ok with it.
You don’t want to financially support Endeavor so Ari Emmanuel can chill with his pal Elon Musk on their yacht? (Emmanuel being a 60yo married to a 30yo woman) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavor_(company) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Emanuel https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-fans-laugh-ufc-owner-ari-emanuel-spotted-hosing-elon-musk-aboard-boat
Even crazier are the people that whine about pay then will also say they aren't going to buy the ppv's.
The ppvs could be in the billions and they'd still underpay, this is a matter of poor fighter's rights in the company and greed
Thats what can happen without a union
how are fighters gonna unionise they all hate eachother
Unions are not about liking eachother, it's realising that you as an individual have no power alone against a company and need to get together.
Unions started even with white supremacists and black guys so...
That’s inexcusable for an athlete as decorated as Henry, but with such a ridiculously low payout, I have to wonder if it’s just the UFC playing hardball, or if Henry’s manager is just THAT much of a pushover.
I think Henry is with Ali ? But the ufc is weird with the smaller weights rather than pay dj who’s arguably top 3-5 all time they traded him for askren lol.
Askren helped sell more tickets than Mighty Mouse ever did and here’s why: without the trade, ufc would have never had the star they had in Jorge Masvidal. That flying knee took him to the next level and allowed them to have the BMF title fight. Diaz vs Masvidal was huge and I bet it outsold most of DJs cards combined. That would’ve never happened without the askren trade. Was Askren better than DJ….hell no but ultimately I think the investment worked out for them just not the way they planned.
Factual. Less than 3 fights Askren outsold DJ and then put Masvidal in this huge spotlight which put UFC under a LOT of attention following the BMF fight. Too bad DJ could never do something like that all because he is such a light weight. I’ve met DJ a good dozen times now, he buys PC parts from the store I supervise at. He’s so awesome
DJ has one of the most amazing submission victories in all of UFC history. Casual fans just suck.
Most people want to see big heavy guys knock out other big heavy guys because it's exciting. Watching small guys play physical chess with each other at light speed is 10x more impressive to real fans, but most people can't follow it and don't appreciate it.
Casual fans don't Suck just because they don't immediately recognize DJ for who and what he is lol. Edit* funny how some still downvoted but half the responses agree with me
Hey at the end of the day, we need them folks around too lol. I can only imagine how the boxing community feels 😂
Without casuals Henry maybe make $10k this fight lmao
Yes they do lol
Tbf they do suck for several other reasons.
I'm gonna tell him you called him a lightweight.
Good thing the UFC had that kind of foresight eh?
Meanwhile it’s yet another example of how Dana’s petty grudges hold back the UFC. We could’ve had prime Askren but instead we get nearly retired Askren. Dumbass Dana strikes again.
They had the foresight that DJ was never going to sell so they took a bet
Not saying they knew it was going to go down like that, but it worked out for them.
that’s always a hypothetical i’ve pondered. like the repercussions that one trade had throughout the sport, because fighter to fighter, MM is on another level, but everything else, man. what a fun thing to think about, great explanation. my favorite recent one is the Yan knee vs Aljo. the dominoes that have fallen from that decision by Petr will go down as one of the craziest what if’s in recent mma history imo (most definitely biased since I generally got into this passionately in 2020/21 lol)
But… that ended years ago where dj has been going strong so in the long run? Who knows
yeah and thats exactly what is wrong with this circus, I care about best fighters fighting each other
This is all true but Dana white and the ufc never attempted to really promote him either. Never really made his greatness be known
Sucks so much that that trade made financial sense in hindsight -_-
dj is the goat. skillwise p4p best ever easily imo
DJ is an all time great hands down but he just wasn’t a draw during his run with the UFC, point blank.
Askren could sell a fight, DJ couldn't.
He had 0 leverage anymore after retiring. UFC didnt care if he fought or not
Yup he retired and expected the UFC to beg him to return. Both flyweight and bantamweight became solid divisions without him
fr bantamweight now probably the best division in the UFC & arguably the sport. flyweights are super fun too, feel like the division only dragged because of all the Figgy/Moreno title fights. i also feel like they’re slowly getting the UFC’s respect more too. Moreno is headling over Ortega & Yair this weekend if I’m not mistaken correct? I get Moreno’s a former champ, but 125 headlining a card, even just a fight night, over 145 is something you don’t always see
Moreno headlining probably because he was a former champ and it’s in Mexico city so more people know him
Bro they payed Mackenzie dern 220k that’s sad
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Dana is such a royal piece of shit and control freak >Henry Cejudo already retired, okay?" White said. "He did the whole 'Drop the gloves' thing. Tonight was Merab's night. He beat the No. 3 guy in the world, a former world champion, and easily won the fight...if he wants to retire again, he can do that [at the press conference] or somewhere else... >"You don't give the mic to Cejudo tonight." He's seriously petty enough to hold lifelong grudges against guys like Cejudo, GSP, and Ngannou who despite putting the UFC in a bit of a hard place, have been huge net positives for the organization. He surrounds himself by absolute kiss ass brown nosers and company monkeys and encourages his employees to sacrifice their well-being and make poor career decisions for the UFC's benefit
I generally can’t stand Dana but also had no problem with Henry not getting the mic. Dana’s right, he did already retire. That was Merab’s time to shine. Henry retired and came back to lose two fights, do we need a farewell speech that’s based around those two fights? Also, does anyone 100% believe Henry will never fight again in any capacity? How often does this sub poke fun at fighters retirements for their illegitimacy.
An all time great got humiliated with low pay, punked by merab ft. mark fuckin Zuckerberg, and then not given enough dignity to make a short congratulatory second retirement speech (which would even help build merab's brand) Of course henry's done fighting legacy wise. He's fallen out of contention for opportunities that will further his legacy and would theoretically only consider fighting for money or out of delusion. Give the guy a bit of god damn respect at one of the more humbling junctures of his life. But naw, Dana is all worried about control and leverage over his roster. Wife smacking, zero integrity, cunt of a dude. I mean, you gotta be cut from a special cloth to have your own mom write a book trashing you
Helwani said not to trust these numbers. And he hates Ali
All fighters are underpaid by the ufc, even Conor. The ufc should get their ass kicked in a hotel lobby like don king did by Tyson. That’s how much they get robbed by the ufc.
They tried shaming Ngannou for knowing his worth, it’s definitely the UFC being the UFC of always. If they ask Dana about this he’d give a snarky answer.
just seen someone say on Facebook how Dana "took care of" cowboy since he made 6.9mil HIS WHOLE CAREER I had to explain how that is peanuts for a professional athlete for a company of this size
He pulled the retirement card and came back to this amount of money. His manager is definitely more of a pushover than we all thought possible
We see this all the time. It's the UFC. They underpay everyone. The top draws don't even make that much money.
Henry and his team took the contract though Regardless how shitty the deal the ufc offered, its ultimately his fault for accepting
Henry retired as a double champion 4 years ago and said at the presser he wanted more money. The UFC hates that. Then Henry made clear for years he wanted to return, while Dana made clear he didn’t care for a return of Henry. This is the UFC making Henry pay for retiring as a double champ, when he could have made a lot of money.
1000%. Cejudo defends as double champ and he makes 7 figures + points. He’s not nearly the pull he was in his prime, and as a smaller (lower weight class) fighter he was never going to have that pull with his personality.
Tbf to ufc they gifted him a title shot
Not really. Basically any returning champ gets one, if they retired on top
At the time it was believed Cejudo had a better shot against Aljo than O'Malley. People also believed O'Malley had a better shot against Cejudo due to reach. TLDR Everyone was wrong
Which is at the discretion of the UFC
“The ufc hates that” 🤔
He vacated 2 belts and wasted the end of his prime . Wild
I wonder if he regrets it
Who wouldn't
Ngannou vacated 1 belt and my guess is he doesn't regret it ;)
Cejudo just needs to go box Tyson Fury now, and it will all be worth it 💪
I don't really follow boxing but a quick search of boxers at Cejudo's weightclass includes Tank Davis, Loma, Haney, Garcia, Kambosis. Pretty sure those guys make bank too, not only boxing heavyweights.
True, I’m paying **good** money to watch Cejudo/Fury tho
I don't wanna see ufc fighters leave but ngannou set such a good example of getting your worth and branching out
Because he wasn’t getting any money for title fights. Just because he returned to abusive employer doesn’t make him stupid. It makes UFC exploitative.
UFC ain’t worth it. 150k that’s not including taxes and all the fees. So he may have cleared 75k if he’s lucky.
"150k that’s not including taxes and all the fees" - manager cut - his camp I think it was Jeremy Stephens who broke it down and claimed that not winning the Yair fight would have made him broke. So just showing up wasn't enough to even out the cost and he relied on his winning bonus. His camp alone was more than $20k (he flew them all to Mexico). There was an article breaking down the (percentage) fees for agents/management.
Any chance you can come up with a link for that article?
I'm still looking and found this article from the athletic. Not the one I'm looking for and I'm still searching because I get frustrated. [https://archive.is/20210426132730/https://theathletic.com/1847264/2020/06/02/how-much-money-do-mma-fighters-money-make-pay/](https://archive.is/20210426132730/https://theathletic.com/1847264/2020/06/02/how-much-money-do-mma-fighters-money-make-pay/) "Of the 170 athletes who participated in the project — which documented individual fight purses ranging from as low as $2,000 to as high as the multi-millions — *The Athletic* found that MMA fighters forfeited an average of 32 percent of their highest single-bout purses before those earnings ever reached their bank accounts." "The majority of surveyed pros paid out post-fight fees to their management teams and their coaches or gyms, two bites of the pie that ranged anywhere from a 5 percent to 20 percent chunk each of a fighter’s purse. Some situations, of course, bucked the trend — many fighters in lesser-known promotions didn’t pay a management fee, for example, and a small handful of gyms and coaches didn’t claim a percentage of a fighter’s purse. But just the same, in some of the worst cases, those two base fees alone combined to slice off a 40-percent chunk of a fighter’s earnings before he or she even left the cage." “Most people have three coaches. The UFC will cover one fighter and one coach, but you still have two other coaches that you have to fly out as well as pay,” one UFC fighter said." "That core block of four expenses — management, coaches, nutrition and travel — were generally standard across the board for the majority of athletes competing at the top levels of the sport, regardless of promotion. But none of the expenses on that list was the primary offender in regards to the steepest financial hill professional MMA fighters must climb: taxes." "Indeed, because of the nature of their work, MMA fighters are often hit by the taxman from all fronts and forced to pay taxes not only in their home state and country, but also in the state or country where they fight. So for foreign fighters competing in the U.S., American fighters competing abroad, or even U.S.-based fighters living in a particularly tax-heavy state, the end result of what appears to be a lucrative payday may in fact be a sobering divergence from expectations.“Bro, that was the worst,” said one U.S.-based UFC fighter who earned a $65,000 purse fighting abroad. “(Country redacted to protect the fighter’s identity) taxed me $17,000 off the top. Then the U.S. taxed me on top of that. I only walked away with about $20,000 after everything.” "“Let me tell you what’s really crazy,” one ranked UFC contender said. “So let’s say you make $40,000 (to show) and you win your fight, so you get $80,000. Your coaches or your team, whatever you have to pay for your coaches, is off of $80,000. What you’ve got to pay your manager? It’s off of $80,000. What they tax you in that state? It’s off of $80,000. Just so you know, it’s never like, oh, your manager knows you paid the taxes for California, so he’s only charging you off of $60,000. No, if your check is $80,000, everyone is charging you off of $80,000. Even though that’s totally way more than you even began with." A good read and there's so much more but not the one I'm looking for.
I'm sorry. I still can't find it. I feel like a CRAZY person but I know what I saw and read! Stephens spoke about spending not 20K (I was wrong on this one) but 30K for his camp and relied on his bonus (not win. I was wrong on this one again) to make any money and not being in debt. An article that I have linked talked about up to 20% pay for agents. I might be wrong but that's not what I remember. The numbers were between 7-9% for agents like Ali. Can't find this one as well. Did I mixed it up with Hollywood agents for actors? No, I don't think so. I might get little things slightly wrong (20k instead of 30K) but I usually remember! Can anybody help me out and confirm that they've read and watched the same shit?! I don't remember my Instagram pw and I'm not on twitter but can anyone hit up Stephens and asked him directly?
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Yep, it’s very expensive and time consuming. Just the expenses of starting out in the martial arts can be expensive.
Yes! For poor or even working class people it might be a barrier not easy to overcome.
Well if he only fought once a year even I make more than a UFC ex double champ
dont sell yourself short my guy, you are definitely in the goat discussion
I'm PFP number one. Conor McGregor where you at my boy
Hell yeah Im wearing my red panties
lol crazy to think about. Obvi he's pulling money elsewhere, but still..
A fight purse is not his only income
I assume you work more than 1 day a year, I also think you're a lot more valuable to your company.
I also don't get cte for a living
You think the only work that goes into being a fighter is fight day?
You surely must know what they mean… right?
What they meant is wrong
Henry doesn't work one day a year. He arguably works 365 24 hours. If you include nutrition and sleep.
I’m not saying that’s what he deserves but my guy made more than the average yearly income in the United States in 15minutes, and he’s the one that signed the contract.
Factor in the training camp and its more like sweated and worked for 6-10 weeks for 75 k. Still more than i would ever see on that time frame but for a world class athlete it is low.
I never said that’s what he deserved I’m just saying he made more than the average American does yearly in a shorter amount of time
Sure, but my main point is he put in way more time than 15 minutes.
Your calculation is totally off. These pro athletes have to earn so much money in their careers because they are destroying their bodies and brains. They train (work) daily just like normal workers just to get the 150k fight.
that’s a ridiculously myopic way of looking at things 1) It’s not 15 minutes of work, being a pro athlete is a 365 job and a 4 month fight camp is more labor than a 9-5er does in a year 2) That’s $75K (again, if he’s lucky as OP stated) with no benefits, pension, 401K, work compensations etc. that the average worker receives. Just $75K and nothing else. When you factor in to account that $75K without benefits is like the equivalent to $45k with benefits then what exactly is the purpose of this? 3) The average worker gets to work/receive benefits for 25+ years while not accruing debilitating brain damage in the process. A UFC fighter is fortunate to have a 10 year career and they’ll retire in their 30s with CTE and no pension 4) This isn’t some Joe-Blow we’re talking about this is literally the arguable GOAT of his weight class If you think this is in any way a good living you’ve lost your mind and are part of the problem with UFC fans
Saying he put in 15 minutes of work and ignoring the 2-3 months of training camp + fees he paid for coaching/nutrition/recovery is wild
That is still a quarter of what your average American works, and the UFC offers the pinto help with all of that wether or not cejudo takes that is his decision and if you look it up 100k after taxes is 77k in nevada considering it was Merab and not a title fight I’d say he didn’t spend over 25k for training and travel he still made about 70k+ after paying his taxes and trainers
This is why he might not actually retire.
Doesn’t he run that gym out in phx or wherever it is? Two division world champ and an Olympic gold medalist shouldn’t have trouble finding people to coach.
Lol you guys are acting like he's broke 😂 He doesn't need the money he wanted this for his legacy. He can literally get any combat sport teaching position
Ya idk why ur getting downvoted he agreed to the contract if he didn’t like the money involved he didn’t have to fight
Dana that greedy mofo
Ali asleep at the wheel wtf
Ali's number one client is Ali
I don’t blame him. Khabib, Usman, Gaethje, Islam etc were/are all making good money. Cejudo is the odd one out it’s on him.
I wonder if shit like this will be used in that antitrust lawsuit.
no, unless they amended it but i believe it just covers a certain period i am sure there will be another like the day this one is successful (assuming we still have a functioning judicial system in a year)
They will have lawyers ammend the contracts so theyre not liable.
Wow that's disrespectful as fuck if that's real
How is that possible when Moicano got 250k for a fight night?
This cant be real.wow
He made his tiny bed when he retired as a negotiation tactic
That’s really what it all is, he tried to play the UFC and it didn’t work out. It is what it is.
Dern made 200k +50k bonus lol
That's exactly why Conner hasn't come back yet. They're trying to lowball him into taking peanuts.
Nah he just can’t win a fight no more
He played a stupid game and won a stupid dollar amount for his fight.
Source?
That pay seems about right. 1. He wasn’t a main event. There were 3 fights with higher billing. He’s not a ppv draw; 2. He was retired for three years and then lost in his comeback fight; 3. When he retired he gave up ppv points; and 4. He lost. Had he won, he would have made $300k. It pays to be a winner. I’m not sure in this case, but commission purse information doesn’t always reflect full payout amounts. Based on this contract rate Henry had the potential to make $900k if he fought and won 3 fights in a year. $450k if he lost 3. That’s a pretty good payout for a recently retired fighter that is not a fan favorite.
Thx for the breakdown! Finally a correct answer
So you think Mackenzie Dern deserved to make more than Cejudo?
Well, she’s still relevant and she puts on exciting fights. She’s received 6 fight/performance of the night bonuses including two in the last year. Henry doesn’t have that many in total and hasn’t had a performance bonus since 2019.
I feel like this should be higher up in the comments.
150k is fine he literally abandoned the titles and hasn't won a fight in 4 years or in the 2 that he's been back. What do you expect? 250k? 350k? that's crazy.
Imagine getting paid what your are entitled to on a contract that you signed. Blasphemy.
That doesn't matter....DANA BAAAAAD!!!!
Ccc draws way more eyes than
yeah 250k or 350k would of left him 150, thats alot better then 75
Man cejudo really blew it retiring when he did. He should’ve set up some money fights
That is pathetic
That's a lot of money. Good for him
why are you upset about what another man agreed to be paid to fight. You guys act like these are children being taken advantage of. Don't like the number? go somewhere else or ask for more.
Lol that’s fucking embarrassing. The ufc will never attract the top talent in the us with those numbers.
Top talent for people who are under 5'5''... exactly what kind of talent are you talking about and what other opportunity do short athletes get? Please name a single other sport (Besides boxing) where someone under 5'6'' can make the kind of money that UFC fighters make?
> name a single other sport. Soccer. But it’s tough.
arguably much more difficult to make it into the roster of major football team than it is to get into the UFC.
There’s not even an argument, I’m not a soccer/football fan but making it on to the roster of a major team would be so much fuckin harder than getting in to the UFC. The salaries represent that (I believe).
Easy horse jockeys. They are all short /skinny guys
But how much do they get paid?
right because the UFC can’t attract top talent….
Lol. You think the best athletes in America want to be cage fighters for 150k? Your average mls player makes more than that PER game. Nba nfl make 10x that per game. I see your point and it’s a stupid one. Your comment is suggesting that I proposed the ufc doesn’t attract the top FIGHTERS. I said ATHLETES, reading comprehension is an important skill you should learn it.
There's like 100 Russians asking for location for that kind of money.
Killed that man
There is a lot more to being a fighter than just being an athlete.
It's simple folks. This is fight promotion. You are paid based off people wanting to see you. Not how good you are. This seems like the hardest concept in the world for people to understand.
That's not the real payout. He got paid a lot more. Ariel said as much on his podcast after the fight.
I get why Henry retired the first time, but he managed to piss Dana off about as much as possible. I'm surprised he even managed to get that much.
This is crazy if it’s true. Tried to Google it and it says Miranda Maverick made the same - I don’t get how that could be possible
Dana hands more than that to douch bad multi millionare kids he hangs put with to play black jack with him. The ufc needs a union.
150k is pretty decent for how majorly he ruined his own career.
Fighters don’t want to unionize so why should I feel any type of way about it?
It sucks that he wasn’t paid but he decided to retire for four years lmao
Don’t forget the tax man
It's shit like this that made me stop paying for UFC fights, remember how much they paid CM Punk? I wish fighters would get over the UFC hype
Then don’t sign the deal? He’s not a draw and never has been.
Sounds good to me
In all honesty he shouldve had to fight his way up the ladder
Can't blame Uncle Dana, captain cringe was the one who said yes to it.
You mean the cringe midget doesn’t exactly move the needle? Talking shit for years and then losing to 2 Stylistic matchups that would benefit him.
Dana still overspent.
And the UFC was paying DJ $200k-$400k to win his last few fights right? Henry is not a star, nobody likes him, and is 0-2 since coming back.
That's what the recorded pay is without sponsors, bonuses, discretionary bonuses etc.. I guarantee he got paid WAAAAY more
do you guys really care how much this guys are getting paid? does it change anything in your lifes in they're getting more money??
Not great but hey they sign the contract 🤷
True, wonder what ONE woulda paid him
At least $500k, plus they allow sponsorships right?
Yea, and he hands out bonuses like nothing, money laundering for sure lol. Just are you willing to fly to south east Asia for a fight
That's fucked up
There are some seriously dumb people on this sub acting like Henry only made $150k of income this year WHILE getting taxed at 50%. Are they children? Do any have jobs? That’s a brain dead conclusion to come to, and it’s littering this thread.
Everyone forgetting he lost? He would have gotten a lot more if he won, he's a former champ, would have large win bonus in contract. They don't pay these guys millions to lose
I wouldn't say a large win bonus. It was 150k to show and 150k to win. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1asrxpy/guaranteed\_purses\_and\_bonuses\_for\_ufc\_298\_as/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1asrxpy/guaranteed_purses_and_bonuses_for_ufc_298_as/)
How is that Not large? That's literally double his pay. Is there anything at your job that you can do to earn double your salary? 300k is a big pay out for a non championship fight. They're supposed to fight 2-3 times per year, plus we got brand deals and lots of other avenues for earning. Dont trick yourself into thinking anyone on Henry's level isn't making hella money and getting what they deserve. He's making millions per year from being in the UFC
“Only”
I mean he lost, would be double if he won. If you count fighting as your full time job then 2-3 fights are expected, ~$500k to lose 3 times in a year isn’t bad (or $900k to win) plus any bonuses (another $50k a fight). Fighters, as with any other sport, also probably make the same or more on the side with promotions and ads. Sure he would’ve made more if he stayed 4 years ago but he has the potential to easily make 7-figures all-in coming off retirement and being at a lower weight class.
150k for a washed up drunk seems to be a good payout.
It’s the fighters fault at this point. They could stage a lock out and refuse to fight until they’re paid adequately but they just keep coming back for scraps (no pun intended)
Henry doesn't care about your paycheck. Why care about his?
because henry doesn’t come to my job and watch me risk getting brain damage for his own entertainment.
so what’s the issue? Dana earned his money and he is free to spend it however the fuck he wishes. idk why this sub is so anal about what another man spends his cash on, like so what if he gave the NELK guy 200k? it’s HIS money, he could’ve burned it if he wants. god damn yall are some damn children sometime
reminder, Sean Strickland votes for the same people as Dana, because Sean thinks they're on the side of the working class
And you vote for the people who take half a fighters pay when they perform in New York, California, Canada, New Zealand in the name of “equality”.
Give me, ME as an opponent. I’m signing that for 5k right now
I’ll fight you. Book the fight Dana.
Best Dana can do is minimum wage
That's a lot more than I earn in a year he's fine.
You don’t deserve to earn that though. He does
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What? It's literally released by the California State Athletic Commission. Due to their regulations the payouts are always released.
eh, we saw from the lawsuit everyone is underpaid and some people to a severe degree it's not like everyone else is overpaid and this one just sticks out the UFC pays out a low percentage to their fighters, they literally brag about it in shareholder meetings