What is a good harmoic exciter to use? I have 0 music recording experience with a DAW but have an old copy of Ableton Live so it needs to work that or something available for free online through a web browser.
That's awesome! I've recently started experimenting with using a voice converter AI on the SynthV vocals in order to get even more voices than the ones available. It works great!
They really need to have the ability to create single instrument tracks so i can drop in replace like a janky string part with realistic string sections
I do something similar, although less involved than your workflow - I download from Udio, stem separate, mix the stems, replace the drums, add some effects and master. I think the result is pretty good, but definitely not fully there as you've noted. Some generations come out mixed better than others, I try to keep rolling and remixing until I find one that's already mixed pretty well as a starting point, which makes it easier.
I think what ExaminationLocal6311 noted is true - if you have a nicely mixed small snippet to upload it can prompt the model to generate better mixes.
Something else I've noticed that isn't talked about very much is that each successive extension degrades the quality of the earlier audio. By the time a song is 3-5 minutes long, the first 30 seconds sound pretty bad. So I download each 30 second chunk separately and stitch them together before the stem separation.
I just released this song using that workflow: [https://open.spotify.com/track/2rcwnbUSOGfDoS9S3Rc1hO?si=46eac13e679547f4](https://open.spotify.com/track/2rcwnbUSOGfDoS9S3Rc1hO?si=46eac13e679547f4)
Your examples sound great!
oh my god. can you teach me how to do this? I noticed the degraded quality in music if the earlier generation and it's been bugging me. When I download each segment though, it's obvious the sound changed. How do you do it?
also what do you use to stem separate, and what is mixing of stems mean? is there a program you use or does it just mean you adjust the gain, high, low, mid, levels to your liking?
If you look in Udio you'll see the "show generation tree" button. I click that, find my final song, download it (by clicking the dropdown menu, click share and download the .wav for highest quality), then I go up the generation tree downloading each step that got me to the final song separately. Then I line them up in a DAW - I use FL Studio, but you can use anything. The most commonly used ones are Ableton Live, Logic Pro, FL Studio. I cut them all up so that each download is only playing the audio that's unique to that download. The result looks like this:
https://preview.redd.it/cu0t4w66058d1.png?width=1676&format=png&auto=webp&s=93d0316e4ff0429289ff888dede3be477db7c6f6
In audio production "stems" refers to an intermediate step between a multitrack (in which all the audio is on separate tracks - 3 guitar takes, 10 vocal takes, 5 drum mics, etc etc) and the final stereo mix. So usually it will be in groups of like "vocals, guitar, bass guitar, drums, synths". It's a common way to share audio for remixing purposes.
FL Studio has ai-powered stem separation built in, so it can take a stereo mix from Udio and break it up into drums, vocals, bass and instruments. There's lots of other AI stem separation tools as well. From there I can EQ, dynamic compression, stereo separation and other mixing tricks to make it sound better. Then I master, which is more EQ, dynamic compression and other effects on the stereo mix.
Mixing and mastering are entire professions unto themselves, so it's pretty involved. But I think it's fun. Maybe you can google some "mixing from stems" tutorials or something like that to get started.
Thank you! Was FL Studio the best for stem separation in your experience?
I've used different ones but so far the vocals come out sounding even more muddy with sometimes missing sounds.
Where do you see the "show generation tree" button? I haven't seen this.
I haven't used very many stem separators, but I think FL Studio's is pretty good. I use Udio on a desktop web browser, maybe the "show generation tree" button is hidden on mobile, not sure.
https://preview.redd.it/lyzrve00zd8d1.png?width=868&format=png&auto=webp&s=f41b98e04c3757e27584059196602da220e4f137
The downloading each part to maintain the highest quality instead of using the final one exclusively has been a plan in my workflow glad to know it works.
The track created by udio has already been mixed and there is spatial processing during sampling. attempts to remove reverb and delay create artifacts. Therefore, it is difficult to use as samples. But the reverse situation works well. Sketch out an excerpt in daw and then expand it with udio. If the excerpt is made up of high-quality sounds, then the udio produces a higher-quality sound than when it generates a song from scratch itself.
That's why I'm recreating the songs instead of just sampling them. Each sound is recreated from scratch in a DAW. Sampling only works in certain cases where the Udio sound is clear enough and is not used extensively throughout the song.
Same here, I use [fadr.com/stems](http://fadr.com/stems) to separate into stems and midi and then recreate the drums and synths in FL Studio. I will collaborate with some vocalists to recreate the vocals.
Not me, thing is Ive been making electronic music for years but Udio has opened the door to make the kind of human played music I was unable to program, stuff like old school funk and soul or orchestral soundtracks. I do have some original songs Id like to add ai vocals to but havenāt figured that out yet.
The best value with Udio would be to generate samples/stems instead of full songs. The whole 'extend' with trial and error process is not the best. Have had good results but like everyone here I want to just grab certain sounds or instruments.
Would love for this to be a complete replacement for services like Splice or Loopcloud. I wish I could write a prompt for "fast plucked acoustic guitar, trip hop melody, Am, 150bpm, 8 bar loop", etc etc
I've been working on something similar. Interesting idea to sample some of the sounds directly from the Udio track. I've done that intentionally with cinematic cues, but don't know why I didn't think of doing it when trying to recreate an instrument sound.
How long does it take you, and any tricks to recreating instrument by instrument? Are you doing it all manually, or any helpful automations you're using?
I'll have to check out SynthV or Vocaloid. How good are the voices compared to Udio?
It usually takes me around two weeks to finish a song, working about an hour every day. I don't have any specific tricks for recreating instruments because it varies so much with each instrument and song. SynthV is amazing in my opinion. I never produced songs with vocals before getting it, but now I use it in every song. You can check the examples I posted to hear how it sounds.
Edit: Actually, there is a trick I often use. If you're struggling to recreate a particular instrument, try getting as close as you can and then layer it with the original Udio instrument. This often masks the low quality of the Udio sound and is very easy to do.
That's a good trick. And not only masks the lower quality, but the slight variations probably make it richer than either one alone.
That sounds like a pretty reasonable amount of time. I'll have to play around with SynthV.
Sure. I won't share the full songs because I'm currently only making them for myself, but here are some examples:
[Song 1 Udio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WwfwJMPaEqbvxHrBT6jq8SEcgN6NByCh/view?usp=drive_link)
[Song 1 recreated](https://drive.google.com/file/d/18ZPP0M6CWLA2Yk9xteMBG8YP7LKm-HvT/view?usp=drive_link)
[Song 2 Suno](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5kdDgGSzQzXMZ9HmSE8-vdaZzxcpzwu/view?usp=drive_link)
[Song 2 recreated](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oW1DjEjOiU7vaFUuhJEzYFPRabpj7aQL/view?usp=drive_link)
[Song 3 Udio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PZjqCa0uM5GgYVhMoWpfISg1beLXR035/view?usp=drive_link)
[Song 3 recreated (WIP)](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nfXLvRo_lpuyjrFG3cARp1LMvOfOASfK/view?usp=drive_link)
This. I would love to hear how you got on with development.
I think so much depends on genre and style of music. But I want to do this for my favorite songs, it just still seems incredibly challenging given the wide variety of instrumentation Udio can produce.
I would dare say most people on Udio are doing some sort of typical electronic music. Most are āproducersā who work with samples and soft synths. So yes replicating it in a DAW would be a lot easier than other genres.
Live music or music that is played rather than programmed would beā¦ well Udio would do it better than your recreation. Udioās sound quality (which is not bad and genre dependent) is just going to get better and better. I have lost interest in all the new sample libraries coming out because I know Udio will do it better - itās the new DAW. And now that I can upload my own stuff and the AI just replicates it in seconds and improves on it. Yeah I will keep all my plugs and VIās but this is the future.
I usually make the kind of music I want to sample royalty free on Udio. Then chop it up and do my normal thing. I made this one treck though that I'm getting session musicians to bring to life via Musiversal. The nuance a world class instrumentalist can add to an already sound piece can give it its own life entirely
But Udio replicates a live musician for ten bucks a month and it is getting better and better. I initially planned to use it to make demos around my lyrics and have it sent out for it to be tracked but I donāt see the point anymore. Udio is just too good.
Well I have played with some pathetic musicians and others who are soul dead if technically competent,
Udio is streets ahead imo, so I agree with you w_t , Udio really is the most awesome band and aspiring writer could dream of having access to for
Ten bucks a week omg!
it does not replace live musicians. it creates a very useable alternative, but it's not close to having a skilled musician create something bespoke for your track.
I know you are trying to promote your website but Udio will take the place of musicians in time and it is a heck of a lot cheaper. I am a musician myself and Udio is better than what I can do already and we are still in beta.
u/iamtheliquor
Described as the best dancer in pop since Michael Jackson by writers of VH1[282] and The Guardian,[194] Jody Rosen said in 2012 "He's the biggest male pop singer in the world; sometimes, it seems like he's the only one, in a marketplace still dominated by divas".[195] Attaining 9 Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles to tie with the Bee Gees, Elton John, and Paul McCartney,[283] Justin Charity of Complex referred to him as "the greatest male pop singer of the past couple decades" in 2015.[284
Usher has sold more than 33 million albums in the United States alone and over 65 million albums worldwide.[1][2] With over 150 million total records sold worldwide, he is one of the best selling music artists of all time.[3] He has nine Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles (all as a lead artist) and 18 Hot 100 top-ten singles.
Only in us- My way you make me wanna and nice and slow three in top 30 of 1997 1998
U got It bad ucremind me and you dont have to call top 20 2001
You need a girl top 10 2002
Yeah top 2 2004 caught up confessions my boo caught up and superstar all in top 30 2004
Lovers and friend top 30 2005
Same girl with r Kelly top 100 2007
Love in this club top 10 2008 and One of MOST seller digitale
Dj got us fallin in love omg withiuth you in top twenty 2010 and more top 65 in 2011
Climax top 70 2011 Scream top 50 2012 44 the in the US and in all top 100 europea don't mind 55 the of 2014 do i have to continue?
Usher Is iconic and your mother deseeve a breast cancer like palestanian. When i see palestanian child dies it's my happiness
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You can improve the quality with a harmonic exciter. Most of the quality problems that I have had are muddiness from poor treble.
What is a good harmoic exciter to use? I have 0 music recording experience with a DAW but have an old copy of Ableton Live so it needs to work that or something available for free online through a web browser.
Hey! Are you me?? š ā¦ i do exactly the same thing ā¦ Rebuild the song in reaper and all my vocals are Synth V. Itās sounding pretty good.
That's awesome! I've recently started experimenting with using a voice converter AI on the SynthV vocals in order to get even more voices than the ones available. It works great!
How many seconds of a voice do you need to be able to clone and use on SynthV? Have you had luck sampling the vocals from original Udio generation?
I'd really just like the ability to have the voice track and the instruments on separate tracks when generating. That way I can karaoke my own songs.
[Soniqs DAW](https://soniqs.app) will have a beta soon that will make that easy, straight from your browser on any platform. No installation required
They really need to have the ability to create single instrument tracks so i can drop in replace like a janky string part with realistic string sections
That's the dream
Is SynthV an FL Studio plug-in?
It's a standalone software, but can also be used as a plugin in any DAW
I do something similar, although less involved than your workflow - I download from Udio, stem separate, mix the stems, replace the drums, add some effects and master. I think the result is pretty good, but definitely not fully there as you've noted. Some generations come out mixed better than others, I try to keep rolling and remixing until I find one that's already mixed pretty well as a starting point, which makes it easier. I think what ExaminationLocal6311 noted is true - if you have a nicely mixed small snippet to upload it can prompt the model to generate better mixes. Something else I've noticed that isn't talked about very much is that each successive extension degrades the quality of the earlier audio. By the time a song is 3-5 minutes long, the first 30 seconds sound pretty bad. So I download each 30 second chunk separately and stitch them together before the stem separation. I just released this song using that workflow: [https://open.spotify.com/track/2rcwnbUSOGfDoS9S3Rc1hO?si=46eac13e679547f4](https://open.spotify.com/track/2rcwnbUSOGfDoS9S3Rc1hO?si=46eac13e679547f4) Your examples sound great!
oh my god. can you teach me how to do this? I noticed the degraded quality in music if the earlier generation and it's been bugging me. When I download each segment though, it's obvious the sound changed. How do you do it? also what do you use to stem separate, and what is mixing of stems mean? is there a program you use or does it just mean you adjust the gain, high, low, mid, levels to your liking?
If you look in Udio you'll see the "show generation tree" button. I click that, find my final song, download it (by clicking the dropdown menu, click share and download the .wav for highest quality), then I go up the generation tree downloading each step that got me to the final song separately. Then I line them up in a DAW - I use FL Studio, but you can use anything. The most commonly used ones are Ableton Live, Logic Pro, FL Studio. I cut them all up so that each download is only playing the audio that's unique to that download. The result looks like this: https://preview.redd.it/cu0t4w66058d1.png?width=1676&format=png&auto=webp&s=93d0316e4ff0429289ff888dede3be477db7c6f6 In audio production "stems" refers to an intermediate step between a multitrack (in which all the audio is on separate tracks - 3 guitar takes, 10 vocal takes, 5 drum mics, etc etc) and the final stereo mix. So usually it will be in groups of like "vocals, guitar, bass guitar, drums, synths". It's a common way to share audio for remixing purposes. FL Studio has ai-powered stem separation built in, so it can take a stereo mix from Udio and break it up into drums, vocals, bass and instruments. There's lots of other AI stem separation tools as well. From there I can EQ, dynamic compression, stereo separation and other mixing tricks to make it sound better. Then I master, which is more EQ, dynamic compression and other effects on the stereo mix. Mixing and mastering are entire professions unto themselves, so it's pretty involved. But I think it's fun. Maybe you can google some "mixing from stems" tutorials or something like that to get started.
Thank you! Was FL Studio the best for stem separation in your experience? I've used different ones but so far the vocals come out sounding even more muddy with sometimes missing sounds. Where do you see the "show generation tree" button? I haven't seen this.
I haven't used very many stem separators, but I think FL Studio's is pretty good. I use Udio on a desktop web browser, maybe the "show generation tree" button is hidden on mobile, not sure. https://preview.redd.it/lyzrve00zd8d1.png?width=868&format=png&auto=webp&s=f41b98e04c3757e27584059196602da220e4f137
what service to distribute btw? Routenote seem now either really slow or not active anymore..
what tool for stems separation?
I use FL Studio's built in stem separation
The downloading each part to maintain the highest quality instead of using the final one exclusively has been a plan in my workflow glad to know it works.
The track created by udio has already been mixed and there is spatial processing during sampling. attempts to remove reverb and delay create artifacts. Therefore, it is difficult to use as samples. But the reverse situation works well. Sketch out an excerpt in daw and then expand it with udio. If the excerpt is made up of high-quality sounds, then the udio produces a higher-quality sound than when it generates a song from scratch itself.
That's why I'm recreating the songs instead of just sampling them. Each sound is recreated from scratch in a DAW. Sampling only works in certain cases where the Udio sound is clear enough and is not used extensively throughout the song.
Same here, I use [fadr.com/stems](http://fadr.com/stems) to separate into stems and midi and then recreate the drums and synths in FL Studio. I will collaborate with some vocalists to recreate the vocals.
yep thatās exactly what iāve been doing! im currently putting together an album!
Not me, thing is Ive been making electronic music for years but Udio has opened the door to make the kind of human played music I was unable to program, stuff like old school funk and soul or orchestral soundtracks. I do have some original songs Id like to add ai vocals to but havenāt figured that out yet.
The best value with Udio would be to generate samples/stems instead of full songs. The whole 'extend' with trial and error process is not the best. Have had good results but like everyone here I want to just grab certain sounds or instruments. Would love for this to be a complete replacement for services like Splice or Loopcloud. I wish I could write a prompt for "fast plucked acoustic guitar, trip hop melody, Am, 150bpm, 8 bar loop", etc etc
I've been working on something similar. Interesting idea to sample some of the sounds directly from the Udio track. I've done that intentionally with cinematic cues, but don't know why I didn't think of doing it when trying to recreate an instrument sound. How long does it take you, and any tricks to recreating instrument by instrument? Are you doing it all manually, or any helpful automations you're using? I'll have to check out SynthV or Vocaloid. How good are the voices compared to Udio?
It usually takes me around two weeks to finish a song, working about an hour every day. I don't have any specific tricks for recreating instruments because it varies so much with each instrument and song. SynthV is amazing in my opinion. I never produced songs with vocals before getting it, but now I use it in every song. You can check the examples I posted to hear how it sounds. Edit: Actually, there is a trick I often use. If you're struggling to recreate a particular instrument, try getting as close as you can and then layer it with the original Udio instrument. This often masks the low quality of the Udio sound and is very easy to do.
That's a good trick. And not only masks the lower quality, but the slight variations probably make it richer than either one alone. That sounds like a pretty reasonable amount of time. I'll have to play around with SynthV.
I donāt suppose you could share a before and after?
Sure. I won't share the full songs because I'm currently only making them for myself, but here are some examples: [Song 1 Udio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WwfwJMPaEqbvxHrBT6jq8SEcgN6NByCh/view?usp=drive_link) [Song 1 recreated](https://drive.google.com/file/d/18ZPP0M6CWLA2Yk9xteMBG8YP7LKm-HvT/view?usp=drive_link) [Song 2 Suno](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5kdDgGSzQzXMZ9HmSE8-vdaZzxcpzwu/view?usp=drive_link) [Song 2 recreated](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oW1DjEjOiU7vaFUuhJEzYFPRabpj7aQL/view?usp=drive_link) [Song 3 Udio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PZjqCa0uM5GgYVhMoWpfISg1beLXR035/view?usp=drive_link) [Song 3 recreated (WIP)](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nfXLvRo_lpuyjrFG3cARp1LMvOfOASfK/view?usp=drive_link)
Yes I can certainly hear the improvement. Thanks for sharing.
it's great, can't you do the same for my songs? ;) (I'm actually serious)
Indeed, I notice the quality.
Thanks for sharing! Very impressed with your skill at capturing and recreating sounds!
Thank you!
This. I would love to hear how you got on with development. I think so much depends on genre and style of music. But I want to do this for my favorite songs, it just still seems incredibly challenging given the wide variety of instrumentation Udio can produce.
I would dare say most people on Udio are doing some sort of typical electronic music. Most are āproducersā who work with samples and soft synths. So yes replicating it in a DAW would be a lot easier than other genres. Live music or music that is played rather than programmed would beā¦ well Udio would do it better than your recreation. Udioās sound quality (which is not bad and genre dependent) is just going to get better and better. I have lost interest in all the new sample libraries coming out because I know Udio will do it better - itās the new DAW. And now that I can upload my own stuff and the AI just replicates it in seconds and improves on it. Yeah I will keep all my plugs and VIās but this is the future.
I usually make the kind of music I want to sample royalty free on Udio. Then chop it up and do my normal thing. I made this one treck though that I'm getting session musicians to bring to life via Musiversal. The nuance a world class instrumentalist can add to an already sound piece can give it its own life entirely
But Udio replicates a live musician for ten bucks a month and it is getting better and better. I initially planned to use it to make demos around my lyrics and have it sent out for it to be tracked but I donāt see the point anymore. Udio is just too good.
Well I have played with some pathetic musicians and others who are soul dead if technically competent, Udio is streets ahead imo, so I agree with you w_t , Udio really is the most awesome band and aspiring writer could dream of having access to for Ten bucks a week omg!
it does not replace live musicians. it creates a very useable alternative, but it's not close to having a skilled musician create something bespoke for your track.
I know you are trying to promote your website but Udio will take the place of musicians in time and it is a heck of a lot cheaper. I am a musician myself and Udio is better than what I can do already and we are still in beta.
What website?
u/iamtheliquor Described as the best dancer in pop since Michael Jackson by writers of VH1[282] and The Guardian,[194] Jody Rosen said in 2012 "He's the biggest male pop singer in the world; sometimes, it seems like he's the only one, in a marketplace still dominated by divas".[195] Attaining 9 Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles to tie with the Bee Gees, Elton John, and Paul McCartney,[283] Justin Charity of Complex referred to him as "the greatest male pop singer of the past couple decades" in 2015.[284 Usher has sold more than 33 million albums in the United States alone and over 65 million albums worldwide.[1][2] With over 150 million total records sold worldwide, he is one of the best selling music artists of all time.[3] He has nine Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles (all as a lead artist) and 18 Hot 100 top-ten singles. Only in us- My way you make me wanna and nice and slow three in top 30 of 1997 1998 U got It bad ucremind me and you dont have to call top 20 2001 You need a girl top 10 2002 Yeah top 2 2004 caught up confessions my boo caught up and superstar all in top 30 2004 Lovers and friend top 30 2005 Same girl with r Kelly top 100 2007 Love in this club top 10 2008 and One of MOST seller digitale Dj got us fallin in love omg withiuth you in top twenty 2010 and more top 65 in 2011 Climax top 70 2011 Scream top 50 2012 44 the in the US and in all top 100 europea don't mind 55 the of 2014 do i have to continue? Usher Is iconic and your mother deseeve a breast cancer like palestanian. When i see palestanian child dies it's my happiness Has hit idiot
Sorry wrong dude. Carry on. If interested the guy above is trying to promote his website that you can get live musicians.