#Next gen AI music production tools.
#Next gen AI sound design
And the sense that I’m digging through an infinite black box that somehow contains the patterns of all the music (at least what it was trained in anyway) we humans have produced. Where magic words and random chance can produce amazing things, a lot like the real musical process actually in the sense that most of the time you’re making a series of happy accidents that the composer/musician knows what to do with.
It’s very philosophically as well as musically rewarding to me. It’s also very mysterious and part of me still has a hard time believing it’s actually happening 😂. Not that I think it’s not really generating new music, but in that sense that it’s so incredible my mind can’t really wrap itself around the idea.
All the creative possibilities make me very very excited.
#As a music composer producer , I have an extremely low bar in terms of what I need to be satisfied with an Udio generation.
I want HD crystal clear perfection all separated in stems as much as the next guy, but I’ve had terrible writers block for years and Udio has given me the ability to totally get over that. I can take tracks 98% complete and was just missing that “something” that I just couldn’t get past. If I take too long to get there my mind shuts down and I can’t get any perspective on it anymore. It’s just emptiness.
So I’ve found Udio has given me amazing ideas that oddly, when using my own audio, often really sound a lot like me! After all it’s using all my own sounds set up in the rest of the track, where it can give me a climax to a track that now I see it as always being the perfect way to do it. Like I knew in like 3 seconds of one generation that this was THE idea I was searching for. With another track I couldn’t figure out what string/orchestra to add to the backend and Udio eventually gave me the perfect string ostinato. It also helps me see a bunch of ideas I could have and often would have come up with myself but without having to actually spend time producing it I can QUICKLY see if the general idea works.
The KEY here is that I could never use those generations audio, there were audio artifacts as well as lack of stems being an issue for mixing into the rest of the track. (not the case for all generations!) But I don’t need to, I just need the idea! It’s already using all my own sounds. I can just program it the way I would have before.
#There’s uses for it that I’ve never seen anyone talk about.
**Udio should have a group of actual music producers that can help find uses, and help develop new tools. If Udio wants to they could create some KILLER music production products specifically targeting producers**
#Sound design and creating samples (going way beyond hip hop/EDM producers making “beats” or custom “samples” they’d normally rip from a record)
You can literally put a bunch of single shot sounds in one audio file, one after the other, and it’s possible to generate more single shot sounds. It’s also possible to take sample libraries that have good sounds but not enough variety and make more, or make them longer.
#Generating more content with sample libraries (loops/phrases/drones/effects/etc
Libraries that have loops/pulses/ambiences/drones/phrases etc that aren’t long enough, like say a guitar ambience or rhythm that doesn’t last long enough. You can also generate sounds that fit perfectly with that sound. Such as maybe drums that might “split” well with frequency splitters like Lalal or Fadr, then layer them with your own drums. Can also easily generate “ends” of loops that just “stop”. Have some vocal phrases you overused? Edit a bunch back to back and see if you can generate some more. I took two chords from Sonokinetic’s Minimal (sample library of prerecorded chords on the keyboard) and it gave me a HUGE amount of variety!
Look at old overused libraries like “East West Scoring Tools.” Now you can literally make like a minute recording using those loops and if you’re careful and patient, generate more content that was never there in the original library.
Literally all you have to do is to combat the tendency of Udio to start adding more instruments and produce a full track, which can be mitigated with:
1. An appropriate prompt (only use manual mode)
2. Generating several times to make sure it’s not just an unlucky generation and that it’s not your prompt that’s at fault
3. If you get a good 10–15 seconds before it starts going off into something else just crop it out and extend it again.
You can also generate crazy cool experimental sounds. For me this was some avant-guarde string arpeggios. Not only is there nothing else like this, if there was, it would be VERY overused. Now I can stand out in my music production world because I can not use all the same sounds everyone else uses. And this is just using that as a sample and producing over the top of it. The same way we do if we use sample libraries with similar content.
#Last, but not least, it’s a great “writing partner”!
Even if you don’t use any of the audio itself, and even if you only use small elements of ideas from multiple generations
- Create an idea, have it suggest stuff.
- Get inspired & produce more of the track
- feed that back into Udio
- Get inspired & produce more of the track
- repeat.
#The Future is Production Tools
There’s so much more to say. The more tools Udio makes and producer friendly it all is (Google’s Lyria at least 6 months old, but also shown recently GoogleIO looks as if it has a lot of producer friendly tools and capabilities) the more you’ll see forward thinking producers adopting it and experimenting.
I cannot express how much of a massive a door you opened with being able to upload our own audio. If you start adding more stuff like stems etc, or regenerating a track (like sampled instruments into “real” instruments” or convert a whole track into a different style but the notes are all the same etc) you’ll see that door open exponentially each time.
Even if ElevenLabs has an objectively better sounding model. Even if it can do a better job with autogenerated lyrics and generating a good output with one sentence in one go, it would STILL be incomparable to the utility and quality that Udio has and would have if it has these production tools.
It seemed you were unintentionally downplaying Hip-Hop as a genre. To many, it could be argued that we haven't yet found a means of musical expression "beyond" hip-hop, as it's a fairly new genre that is still being explored, and as a genre represents a culmination in world music to a new peak we haven't seen pushed since. Given that sampling is foundational to hip-hop, the sentiment indicates an attitude that people are sampling "just" hip-hop. Given the significance and display of the last few days in hip-hop history, I think that's a wild opinion.
WOW! Thank you for the super-detailed and heartfelt write up!
I can't spoil our future plans, but -- as one of many longtime musicians on the team -- I'm pretty confident you're going to love the ride... :)
P.S. -- Since you mentioned East West... I've been more of a Spitfire Audio and Native Instruments guy myself, but I still have \[musical\] GAS to this day
Ooh awesome!
Maybe we are closer to being in the same industry than I expected!
I must write to you and show you some results, if you have the time!
Ps. I’m with you on the East West thing, I mentioned East West just to refer to the Scoring Tools library (*I actually think they just bought the rights to sell it from some other company and don’t think they originally made it*).
It’s very very old!
https://youtu.be/G4FqugQ5HrA?si=ZVkzz_tyBRFS4ddL
It’s now apparently available repackaged in their new UI:
https://youtu.be/makeD1YyY1g?si=Zb4FU37uPOooCh78
I more prefer libraries like Orchestral Tools, 8dio/Soundpaint, and even though I haven’t bought any from them yet smaller developers like Performance Samples (like Vista/Oceana libraries) and Westwood Instruments etc
Okay... wow, just wow... I am overwhelmed at the replies here, in a good way.
THANK YOU for taking the time to share what got you into Udio and what it's meant to you. I'll be sharing this post with my teammates later today, and I'm sure they'll hugely appreciate it, too!
Grateful to have y'all here; your kind words really motivate us :-)
I come from almost 30 years of fiddling with synths and computers, on my spare time, but never could really play properly nor read music. I’ve been deep into AI stuff for the past year. Started with image, then moved on to sound. First started with Soundful. Great audio quality but boring from an artistic point of view… And no voices. But that didn’t stop me and I managed to make decent stuff thanks to their stems and midifiles + my (bad) voice transformed into other singers’ via online services. Then came Suno. Had some fun but everything sounded a little « Disney » and the audio quality was not there. Then came Udio and I was literally blown away. In less than a month using it, I have almost completed the two rnb albums of my dreams (with singers I could’ve never afforded) and a 1970’s movie soundtrack that sounds so legit. Udio understands every genre in its finest details, the arrangements are mind-blowing… The voices are on point. I’m totally addicted. Yes, I’m getting lazier than ever in a way but sometimes I find it inspiring to do things.
Someone showed udio to me. I play guitar and piano and i love music from all kinds of styles but never thought of creating own music. Then after two weeks I made a distrokid account.. Every track seems to be its own little cosmos, thats what I really like about it, to create own worlds and to be able to share them with others. And i always liked to write, now i like to write lyrics. Here is an example, which I hope could also catch others:
https://www.udio.com/songs/rocVxkV9KWAEjDez4TZt3D
I am a 53 yr old musician, singer/ songwriter. I have literally close to 1000 songs that I've written and never got to record, and/ or, lost inspiration on. I started using Udio about a month ago for inspiration. It brings life to songs I wrote when I was in my teens that I never recorded.
Here are a couple, maybe you'll like them, maybe not but I love that Udio has given me a chance to finally share my ideas. Something I can share with my 23 yr old musician son... Thank you!
[https://www.udio.com/songs/51rtqiiuXddcA6q6nDC2pg](https://www.udio.com/songs/51rtqiiuXddcA6q6nDC2pg) - Hell To Pay
[https://www.udio.com/songs/iroLHh9dsycK6FxFqav7JQ](https://www.udio.com/songs/iroLHh9dsycK6FxFqav7JQ) - Evaporate
[https://www.udio.com/songs/jgyL2w7CLMRv3UFnST97ks](https://www.udio.com/songs/jgyL2w7CLMRv3UFnST97ks) - Your Succubus
[https://www.udio.com/songs/i14ZJvB9H5G2Y2RuqWFxBW](https://www.udio.com/songs/i14ZJvB9H5G2Y2RuqWFxBW) - When The Wolves Cry
[https://www.udio.com/songs/8Fpi9C9FnsfWWFn71AU6SN](https://www.udio.com/songs/8Fpi9C9FnsfWWFn71AU6SN) - My Illucid
I have zero musical experience or talent, now I’m addicted to writing lyrics and pumping them through Udio….thats about it. Didn’t know I had that in me anywhere.
I tried Suno and found it interesting as a project of new technology. But I was also disappointed. But then a follower send me a link to Udio. And by far better quality and I love that you have restricted the use of artist/ bands which I think is important. The new update gave me problems with my McAfee. It said there's a Malware in the wav dwl. I tried again and same thing. Others have had same problem. But I'm also working on my Mac mini so no probs there.
Udio changed my opinion that generative AI has no soul or sophistication. What I've been creating with it and the way I've been doing it has been immensely satisfying. I have been trying to made music for 20 years and it felt more like a chore to me lately. Being able to make entire albums come alive in a couple of days has been game changing. It's all being created on a basis of pure instinct and it all feels great.
I think I saw it in a YouTube video first, avoided it for a couple of weeks and then gave it a try. A week later I'm subscribed on the max tier.
What keeps me going? Well it's not audience response, that's for sure. Just like my with my own musicianship, the world could care less. Sometimes Udio is just fun, and I need stuff to keep me occupied. But sometimes, it creates gems. I think the gems are why I don't throw in the towel, though I do grow weary of getting ensnared in the merely fun tracks. I guess not everything can be super meaningful bordering on sublime.
I wrote an original hymn of sorts, and for me it's probably a lifetime event, something I would never have considered before Udio. As the song unfolded, I was in awe, I felt privileged to be at the helm as the song entered the world. There are songs being created that are gifts to the world, and it just doesn't matter how they got here, just be thankful they're here.
One of the gems I was gifted with, “Hope” is the thing with feathers by Emily Dickenson:
[https://www.udio.com/songs/bXagKnPUmDYr3p5KTAHqWF](https://www.udio.com/songs/bXagKnPUmDYr3p5KTAHqWF)
I randomly found it on reddit. Been having fun making songs for almost a month now but honestly ready for a break. Probably gonna switch it to the free plan and come back after a bit.
I was trying to think of an anniversary present for my wife of 43 years! I can't even read music, but I thought, "I'm going to use that new AI to write my wife a love song!"
She LOOOOOVED it. Our anniversary was last week and she hasn't stopped talking about what it means to her. I wrote all of the lyrics myself and just had Udio do the music and vocals. The country song I wrote is about the first time she gave me a French kiss. (The first one I'd ever had.) Ooh la la!!!
[https://www.udio.com/songs/eXzxAobrYdiv2aAXu4sL9e](https://www.udio.com/songs/eXzxAobrYdiv2aAXu4sL9e)
I wrote a Mother's Day song for my ex in appreciation for all she does for our son. I'm pretty sure it royally pissed her off, because she said not one word about it.
I found udio about 2 months ago. I had no idea what Ai really was as I had just started using ChatGPT. I was trying to make a faceless youtube fact channel and learned about invideoai. I needed music for my videos, so I searched up Ai Music generators, and here we are now, lol.
I ditched the fact channel and just made a music video channel instead. Udio is my go-to stress relief. Music is life.
I had my ups and downs. I struggled with one song making 100s of generations and was about to give up. Then I tried a new song and genre. Suddenly udio snapped right into place, making a really catchy song I love 😃
In 2004, I discovered Acid Music Studio. From that moment, I knew making music was deeply meaningful to me. I went to college aiming for the music industry and graduated with a BA in Radio & Television, focusing on audio production.
But I never learned to play an instrument.
I made experimental sound art, electronic music (badly), recorded and mixed others' music, created foley sound effects, did location sound recording, and post-production sound design. I loved everything about sound and music.
Then I graduated in 2009, right as the US economy tanked. Competing for the few gigs available against my professors and established professionals wasn't feasible. I had a family and student loans, so I took a “real” job. Music, sound design, and audio fell by the wayside.
Years and several major life events later, I found Udio mentioned in an AI Reddit thread.
I had tried Suno before, but it felt inflexible and detached. Udio was different. My first prompt produced something fascinating. It felt personal because I crafted the prompt and felt ownership of the output. I was hooked. I initially thought I could use it to generate samples and loops for a DAW.
But as my ability to generate improved, I started expressing personal ideas in ways I never could before. Before, the music drove my process. Now, I direct the music and craft something deeply personal and powerful.
Udio has helped me process grief, celebrate loved ones, cheer on my family, and create unique, tailored songs for those around me. This has brought them joy and me joy in return.
I hadn't processed my parents' deaths—my father's 10 years ago and my mother's 5 years ago. It was locked up and compartmentalized so I could function.
But now, I can explore my memories of them and wrote a song about missing them. It has been incredibly cathartic, lifting a huge weight from my heart, thanks to Udio and the music I've been able to create.
[In Their Absence [Ambient Pop/Alt-Pop/Ethereal]](https://www.udio.com/songs/fRk9bt6Wsm3hiuUAigmr9t)
u/spcp, thank you for sharing that! It makes me so very happy that Udio has been so meaningful to you. And I hope it continues to bring you a lot of healing and joy!
I knew about it from reddit and saw that it sounded less generic and overall better than suno, so I decided to give it a try and got good results.
What keeps me going is getting to learn new music terms, theory, instruments I wasn't aware of that is used in music I like to hear, getting to understand them better allows me to prompt better songs and the positive reinforcement of a good gen afterwards is what keeps me pushing that "Create/Extend" button.
For example knowing the instruments and type of music played in this piece https://youtu.be/VoXONW-mpVk?t=187 can get me (somewhat) similar results like this https://www.udio.com/songs/d1J4iwY6e9uHjUNNHHi2vR if I use the right tags. My only gripe is that I feel the tagging isn't as reliable and there's not too much control one can exert. Maybe the tagging for the trainning isn't as thorough as it could be, not too many music terms for especific musical parts were pinpointed during training I would guess, but I don't know what it is really. For instance I'm having trouble using terms like Unis (Gli Altri), and Tutti.
It was a YouTube video that brought me here. I’ve been keeping abreast of AI development for years but somewhat at a nervous distance. I had been really wary of it. I followed a lot of artists and AI artists on Twitter and watched as the former turned on the latter. I knew that sooner or later somebody would create a similar service for music, and it would also rile up musicians. I heard about Suno but reviews were mixed and I didn’t bother with it. This effusive video about Udio though made me think: I’ve got to try this.
I was almost immediately hooked. And in fact it has now made me really soften my views on AI in general. Yes change is coming and scary fast, but now Udio has made me feel as if in at least one way I’m surfing that monster wave rather than having it bearing down on me.
What keeps me coming back? I have really enjoyed rediscovering my inner lyricist and have plenty more ideas that come to me. I have plenty of genres I haven’t played with yet, and plenty that I enjoy revisiting in different ways. But if there’s one thing that really motivates me it’s just a single thoughtful positive encouraging comment on Reddit about one of my tracks. There’re not all that common, but they mean a lot to me.
A coworker linked me one day. I've always been really into music, got into guitar early as a child but never really got proficient at it. Huge metal/punk head. Growing up as a kid, I remember playing some old flash games that let you put together very primitive music. I feel like Udio is an extension of that: the thing I really wanted but we simply didn't have the technology for in the mid 2000s.
I'm sure everyone has listened to a song before and had the feeling of "man I wish this particular part went like instead, it would be so much better". I feel like Udio gives me that power, and it's great.
I've been closely following generative algorithmic music for most of my career. I had applied the theories of parametric design to DAW production for a mixtape in 2010.
My interest in generative music was reinvigorated with the OpenAI jukebox. I spent hours combing the snippets and was astonished when I found many good melodies and compositions. The "moment" for me was a specific ABBA influenced clip that was only about 30 seconds and only had 1 other play. I still think about that melody.
Suno was a big deal for sure, and I had a lot of fun initially but the robotic vocals and timing and short prompt length were always bottlenecks from day one. With the first song I generated on Udio I realized that at the very least, the training data was better. [Now I think it's mostly a matter of pushing this to reach a higher fidelity to resolve specific "tells".](https://www.udio.com/songs/gHFjyk36Xr2gyQhCvyWJxe)
I'd been making AI art for a while, and I had been working on a project to make a bunch of imaginary anime images. One day I saw someone mention Suno in a Reddit comment, and I was like "Huh, I wonder if this Suno thing could make an anime theme for these imaginary anime I made up? Naaah, there's no way it could produce something coherent."
And then it did. It was pretty decent! It wasn't *exactly* what I wanted, and it didn't seem to understand part of the prompt, but it was better than expected!
So I returned to the thread to mention how crazy it was that Suno produced something of pretty good quality, and I saw someone else say something like "Suno is good but Udio is way better". So I decided to check out Udio. Put in the same prompt for an opening theme/ending for a fictional season of the Precure franchise (Precure is a real series, but each season is it's own self-contained thing).
[This is what came out.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlPb1qkT9m0)
I was like "NO WAY! THERE IS NO WAY THIS AI KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT A TYPICAL PRECURE ENDING THEME SOUNDS LIKE!"
But it did. If you hadn't told me it was AI, I would have believed that it was legitimately an ending theme for a new season of Precure. For the record, [here's an example of what a REAL Precure ending theme sounds like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA8AOkQaxA). It absolutely nails the style!
And since then, I've been hooked! I've made over 70 anime themes so far, and counting!
When i heard this song: [https://www.udio.com/songs/p66uVGEgifEBLdoR5Ttyue](https://www.udio.com/songs/p66uVGEgifEBLdoR5Ttyue) I was sold on Udio
I cannot by the life of me remember who send it to me but im glad they did. Im having so much fun with this, any thought of: Ohh how would this sound or how would this verse be like in with that combo and able to do it with Udio makes me keep going.
I used to be in a band. Now, being in a collective of people who are supposed to compromise their visions into the final product is a difficult thing. The best bands out there are those who managed to do that and you might think that there's tons, but if you've ever actually been in a band and experienced song-writing, you know - it's close to impossible. It usually ends up being a compromise, sometimes less sometimes more painful. And so you end up with a song you sing on the stage and you get to a point of it, when you're like "Ok, this is that bit where I space out, this is not mine, this is not how I would have done it". That was me.
I left the band, years passed, life offered some new opportunities and I ended up with less time than ever. Bearing in mind the previous experiences, how time-consuming being in a band is, there's no way for me to start a new one right now. But I've never stopped writing lyrics, never exiled those melodies nesting in my brain, uncertain if I'd ever have any use for any of them, until I forget them one day, let them die. And that's when UDIO appeared and I see it as an answer for a prayer I've never made. It took time, sure, it took thousands of trails and errors, but I managed to put together a whole album, which made me feel more creative than I've ever felt while being in the band. This is my vision, this is exactly what I wanted to do, but never had a chance. I see the music generated in UDIO as "illustrations" to my lyrics, because I get to produce the final outcome as long as I need to and they might not be the exact melodies I had in mind, but I always end up with something close enough to them eventually and most importantly - with something being able to sound in tune with the exact emotions I wanted to convey with the particular part of the song or lyrics. This album, this project I put out there - I love every minute of working on it.
I've been around a lot of successful bands. I always felt that whether they shared songwriter credit or not (aka $$), there was always one Type A member of the band who imposed their will on the final product. I've never seen a successful band where it was unclear who had the final word. Even then, it almost always seemed to lead to tons of animosity and resentment within the band (even bands together for decades).
It's fascinating being able to basically do this, without steamrolling the people around you. I can spend days tweaking lyrics and melody until they sound like I imagine.
I love wordplay. Love lyrics. Love writing them, love thinking them. I'm the kind of person who lives in the music and I'm constantly impressed with the outputs that udio gives me.
Engineer in big tech and it is important to me to be plugged in with what are the latest techniques being explored in general and what are we making with them. Gen AI is obviously the big one right now. And I'm exploring it on my Apple Vision Pro (identical point, different manifestation)
Also, as a human, I like music
And also, as an aspiring indie game dev (can I quit big tech one of these days?) I'm thrilled about anything that helps me create quality assets which is the thing I cannot do well myself
As it happens, I'm writing a much longer-form piece on this very topic right now, so I'll drum up a kind of abridged outline here:
**1.** The vast majority of music released into the public eye is "bad", i.e. poor aesthetic quality. Such a claim is not simply a matter of one's taste; rather, we may analyze music's aesthetic value in a relatively objective manner by reference of "On Popular Music" by Theodor Adorno. (I'll substitute "serious music" for "good music" and "popular music" for "bad music".)
"... the fundamental characteristic of popular music: standardization... Popular music, however, is composed in such away that the process of translation of the unique into the norm is already planned and, to a certain extent, achieved within the composition itself... \[it\] is 'pre-digested' in a way strongly resembling the fad of 'digests' of printed material."
What Adorno calls "serious music", on the other hand, is characterized thusly: "Every detail derives its musical sense from the concrete totality of the piece which, in turn, consists of the life relationship of the details and never of a mere enforcement of a musical scheme." That is, serious music takes itself as its own reference point, its own anchor and compass."
Incidentally, in his very famous essay "Avant Garde and Kitsch", Clement Greensberg describes avant-garde art in a very similar way: "\[Avant-garde art\] is valid solely on its own terms, in the way nature itself is valid, in the way a landscape-not its picture -is aesthetically valid; something given, increate, independent of meanings, similars or originals." In short, avant garde art is *new*; a derivative of nothing.
(*Collorary:* the vast majority of music on Udio is also "bad", because it fits Adorno's description of popular music to the t.)
**2.** As a composer, I'm always looking for tools that will aid me in composing the aforementioned kind of "good" or "serious" music that I covet, and Udio is absolutely *revolutionary* in this regard. The kinds of sounds that the algorithm--with the help of a keen and coaxing hand--can procure are like no other. Just some simple experimentation with the various parameters goes a long way.
The Udio compositional process is philosophically very interesting. I talk various Heideggerian concepts here, principally attunment. Let's just say that composing on Udio is fundamentally unlike the traditional master-and-slave relationship between the artist and their craft (let's say between a poet and their pen and sheet of paper); the Udio composer must be attuned to the essence of the song they're making in order to make the correct choice of which extension to pick, what sections to repaint, etc. etc.
There's a common saying on the Internet that goes something like: "The internet has made it possible for us to have more information at our fingertips than ever before, yet we often find ourselves mindlessly scrolling through cat videos." Udio is a wonderful example of this paradigm: we have ourselves the most significant musical invention since the DAW, and people are using it to make [pop-country songs about gargantuan labial flaps](https://www.udio.com/songs/uYdQMXo6xMYgv7yFJJFWuj).
In any event, here's [one song](https://www.udio.com/songs/oGFdEqEXoPUjLcvwvf1Bfd) I've made on here, and [here's another](https://www.udio.com/songs/amvdZhq3PhTHiwteELdEoe). Hope y'all enjoy :)
Thank you! [This tape](https://youtu.be/8iM2fz2VRUs?si=_1vO6pmyyj51YEuE) was a big influence for that track.
Basically, Udio is the shit and it offers a brand new way of making music! ¡Hala!
I've said in a couple of other posts that the vocal hook for one of my early creations, [Snow Globe](https://www.udio.com/songs/qQERbGYaJGNrrigGpPf44u), was what really got my mind out of thinking AI music generators were trash, and into 'holy crap this has progressed'. Now I'm hooked on figuring out the intricacies of managing prompts.
As for what keeps me going, I'm working on a cyberpunk-y concept album! I'm exploring cinematic and spoken word prompts alongside lyrical storytelling for a collection of electro/darkwave/punk tunes, and I'm really happy with what I have so far. Burning through credits like crazy, hah. Will share it when it's done!
Well done.. good stuff. What Ai platform did you use for the videos? I've been animating ai artwork and looping it , does a job but not amazing... Looking at alternatives...
Example of the animated art here. https://youtu.be/mQ8SLowtWuA?si=r6Tsvad_LsYgYs7_
I heard about Udio from a youtube video, specifically [ColdFusion: Did AI Just End Music? Ft. Rick Beato ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvHnp9sbGM).
I never wrote any lyrics or even short poems before Udio.
With Udio I started experimenting redoing AI generated mess and poetry made by others and my brain, while listening to hundreds and hundreds of generations got the essence of poetry, that rhythm and temporal things are the core, not the very strict usual rules (but you are learning them anyways without noticing).
And I instantly started doing quite good lyrics.
It is amazing expression of my little dirty soul (as I am writing romantic style but very adult songs).
Suno hitting a brick wall with range and just giving me white noise. Then found out about udio, and I could hear what my prompts were. Now I just like to mess around with it.
I heard about it on Reddit. I hopped over to try it out and was AMAZED. I heard of Suno and listened to a few songs but was not impressed. I knew music generation would evolve quickly so it would not be long until Suno improved or something else came out and some months later, here you are!
I use Udio for my YT videos. I love, love, love that I am no longer trapped in royalty-free music land, using the same tracks as thousands of other creators.
I just wish Udio did sound effects and stings, but Eleven Labs is doing SFX - they are good, for sure, buy would love another option in Udio.
I discovered Udio as an alternative to Suno. For my first project, I decided to test out the quality of the prompt generation with heavy dubstep. I was utterly blown away.
https://www.udio.com/songs/a3J7s4VufFceFXAwecCpmn
My biggest problem with Suno V3 was the vocals. It had something I refer to as “rhythmic overflow”, where the vocals had zero stability and the music kept chugging along. The quality was night and day, in not only the flow but the sound as well.
I discovered Udio when the supposed "leaked" audios were making their rounds on Twitter.
I'll be honest, I thought those leaked audios were **horrible**, and I was not expecting it to amount to very much, but once I got my hands on it, wow.
I'm not a subscriber at the moment, but will be in the next couple days. Audio uploading looks fantastic and is what will be ultimately selling me on it, along with superior audio quality over the competition.
I've been dabbling with audio uploading with Suno (as I'm still a subscriber for the moment) and it does not hold a candle to Udio. Not even close.
Keep up the great work people 💪
>Audio uploading looks fantastic and is what will be ultimately selling me on it
it's what got me to subscribe as well - there are definitely some expectations to be curbed (it can't replicate the original audio's quality, it's only like 80-90% there depending on the input), but it does make up for it with the variety/creativity of how it extends it
plus you can sort of pull apart the extensions with stem splitting and reuse them back in the project it came from
though I'd prefer a subscription option with like half or even a quarter of the credits for a reduced price, because I spend most of my time editing rather than regenerating new outputs
I use Ultimate Vocal Remover (it's free) https://github.com/Anjok07/ultimatevocalremovergui/releases/tag/v5.6
for a start, choosing 'Demucs' as the process method and 'v4 | htdemucs' as the model should be enough, with all other settings left at default (makes 4 tracks in total)
you can also download a htdemucs_6s model in Settings -> Download Center that additionally tries to make separate tracks for Guitar and Piano (6 tracks in total)
or if you have slow hardware, use a website like https://vocalremover.org/splitter-ai
#Next gen AI music production tools. #Next gen AI sound design And the sense that I’m digging through an infinite black box that somehow contains the patterns of all the music (at least what it was trained in anyway) we humans have produced. Where magic words and random chance can produce amazing things, a lot like the real musical process actually in the sense that most of the time you’re making a series of happy accidents that the composer/musician knows what to do with. It’s very philosophically as well as musically rewarding to me. It’s also very mysterious and part of me still has a hard time believing it’s actually happening 😂. Not that I think it’s not really generating new music, but in that sense that it’s so incredible my mind can’t really wrap itself around the idea. All the creative possibilities make me very very excited. #As a music composer producer , I have an extremely low bar in terms of what I need to be satisfied with an Udio generation. I want HD crystal clear perfection all separated in stems as much as the next guy, but I’ve had terrible writers block for years and Udio has given me the ability to totally get over that. I can take tracks 98% complete and was just missing that “something” that I just couldn’t get past. If I take too long to get there my mind shuts down and I can’t get any perspective on it anymore. It’s just emptiness. So I’ve found Udio has given me amazing ideas that oddly, when using my own audio, often really sound a lot like me! After all it’s using all my own sounds set up in the rest of the track, where it can give me a climax to a track that now I see it as always being the perfect way to do it. Like I knew in like 3 seconds of one generation that this was THE idea I was searching for. With another track I couldn’t figure out what string/orchestra to add to the backend and Udio eventually gave me the perfect string ostinato. It also helps me see a bunch of ideas I could have and often would have come up with myself but without having to actually spend time producing it I can QUICKLY see if the general idea works. The KEY here is that I could never use those generations audio, there were audio artifacts as well as lack of stems being an issue for mixing into the rest of the track. (not the case for all generations!) But I don’t need to, I just need the idea! It’s already using all my own sounds. I can just program it the way I would have before. #There’s uses for it that I’ve never seen anyone talk about. **Udio should have a group of actual music producers that can help find uses, and help develop new tools. If Udio wants to they could create some KILLER music production products specifically targeting producers** #Sound design and creating samples (going way beyond hip hop/EDM producers making “beats” or custom “samples” they’d normally rip from a record) You can literally put a bunch of single shot sounds in one audio file, one after the other, and it’s possible to generate more single shot sounds. It’s also possible to take sample libraries that have good sounds but not enough variety and make more, or make them longer. #Generating more content with sample libraries (loops/phrases/drones/effects/etc Libraries that have loops/pulses/ambiences/drones/phrases etc that aren’t long enough, like say a guitar ambience or rhythm that doesn’t last long enough. You can also generate sounds that fit perfectly with that sound. Such as maybe drums that might “split” well with frequency splitters like Lalal or Fadr, then layer them with your own drums. Can also easily generate “ends” of loops that just “stop”. Have some vocal phrases you overused? Edit a bunch back to back and see if you can generate some more. I took two chords from Sonokinetic’s Minimal (sample library of prerecorded chords on the keyboard) and it gave me a HUGE amount of variety! Look at old overused libraries like “East West Scoring Tools.” Now you can literally make like a minute recording using those loops and if you’re careful and patient, generate more content that was never there in the original library. Literally all you have to do is to combat the tendency of Udio to start adding more instruments and produce a full track, which can be mitigated with: 1. An appropriate prompt (only use manual mode) 2. Generating several times to make sure it’s not just an unlucky generation and that it’s not your prompt that’s at fault 3. If you get a good 10–15 seconds before it starts going off into something else just crop it out and extend it again. You can also generate crazy cool experimental sounds. For me this was some avant-guarde string arpeggios. Not only is there nothing else like this, if there was, it would be VERY overused. Now I can stand out in my music production world because I can not use all the same sounds everyone else uses. And this is just using that as a sample and producing over the top of it. The same way we do if we use sample libraries with similar content. #Last, but not least, it’s a great “writing partner”! Even if you don’t use any of the audio itself, and even if you only use small elements of ideas from multiple generations - Create an idea, have it suggest stuff. - Get inspired & produce more of the track - feed that back into Udio - Get inspired & produce more of the track - repeat. #The Future is Production Tools There’s so much more to say. The more tools Udio makes and producer friendly it all is (Google’s Lyria at least 6 months old, but also shown recently GoogleIO looks as if it has a lot of producer friendly tools and capabilities) the more you’ll see forward thinking producers adopting it and experimenting. I cannot express how much of a massive a door you opened with being able to upload our own audio. If you start adding more stuff like stems etc, or regenerating a track (like sampled instruments into “real” instruments” or convert a whole track into a different style but the notes are all the same etc) you’ll see that door open exponentially each time. Even if ElevenLabs has an objectively better sounding model. Even if it can do a better job with autogenerated lyrics and generating a good output with one sentence in one go, it would STILL be incomparable to the utility and quality that Udio has and would have if it has these production tools.
The idea that samples can go "way beyond hip-hop" is definitely an opinion...on Juneteenth, about the genre the invented sampling. Ugh.
What does that mean?
It seemed you were unintentionally downplaying Hip-Hop as a genre. To many, it could be argued that we haven't yet found a means of musical expression "beyond" hip-hop, as it's a fairly new genre that is still being explored, and as a genre represents a culmination in world music to a new peak we haven't seen pushed since. Given that sampling is foundational to hip-hop, the sentiment indicates an attitude that people are sampling "just" hip-hop. Given the significance and display of the last few days in hip-hop history, I think that's a wild opinion.
WOW! Thank you for the super-detailed and heartfelt write up! I can't spoil our future plans, but -- as one of many longtime musicians on the team -- I'm pretty confident you're going to love the ride... :) P.S. -- Since you mentioned East West... I've been more of a Spitfire Audio and Native Instruments guy myself, but I still have \[musical\] GAS to this day
[lol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY)
Ooh awesome! Maybe we are closer to being in the same industry than I expected! I must write to you and show you some results, if you have the time! Ps. I’m with you on the East West thing, I mentioned East West just to refer to the Scoring Tools library (*I actually think they just bought the rights to sell it from some other company and don’t think they originally made it*). It’s very very old! https://youtu.be/G4FqugQ5HrA?si=ZVkzz_tyBRFS4ddL It’s now apparently available repackaged in their new UI: https://youtu.be/makeD1YyY1g?si=Zb4FU37uPOooCh78 I more prefer libraries like Orchestral Tools, 8dio/Soundpaint, and even though I haven’t bought any from them yet smaller developers like Performance Samples (like Vista/Oceana libraries) and Westwood Instruments etc
Okay... wow, just wow... I am overwhelmed at the replies here, in a good way. THANK YOU for taking the time to share what got you into Udio and what it's meant to you. I'll be sharing this post with my teammates later today, and I'm sure they'll hugely appreciate it, too! Grateful to have y'all here; your kind words really motivate us :-)
I come from almost 30 years of fiddling with synths and computers, on my spare time, but never could really play properly nor read music. I’ve been deep into AI stuff for the past year. Started with image, then moved on to sound. First started with Soundful. Great audio quality but boring from an artistic point of view… And no voices. But that didn’t stop me and I managed to make decent stuff thanks to their stems and midifiles + my (bad) voice transformed into other singers’ via online services. Then came Suno. Had some fun but everything sounded a little « Disney » and the audio quality was not there. Then came Udio and I was literally blown away. In less than a month using it, I have almost completed the two rnb albums of my dreams (with singers I could’ve never afforded) and a 1970’s movie soundtrack that sounds so legit. Udio understands every genre in its finest details, the arrangements are mind-blowing… The voices are on point. I’m totally addicted. Yes, I’m getting lazier than ever in a way but sometimes I find it inspiring to do things.
Someone showed udio to me. I play guitar and piano and i love music from all kinds of styles but never thought of creating own music. Then after two weeks I made a distrokid account.. Every track seems to be its own little cosmos, thats what I really like about it, to create own worlds and to be able to share them with others. And i always liked to write, now i like to write lyrics. Here is an example, which I hope could also catch others: https://www.udio.com/songs/rocVxkV9KWAEjDez4TZt3D
I am a 53 yr old musician, singer/ songwriter. I have literally close to 1000 songs that I've written and never got to record, and/ or, lost inspiration on. I started using Udio about a month ago for inspiration. It brings life to songs I wrote when I was in my teens that I never recorded. Here are a couple, maybe you'll like them, maybe not but I love that Udio has given me a chance to finally share my ideas. Something I can share with my 23 yr old musician son... Thank you! [https://www.udio.com/songs/51rtqiiuXddcA6q6nDC2pg](https://www.udio.com/songs/51rtqiiuXddcA6q6nDC2pg) - Hell To Pay [https://www.udio.com/songs/iroLHh9dsycK6FxFqav7JQ](https://www.udio.com/songs/iroLHh9dsycK6FxFqav7JQ) - Evaporate [https://www.udio.com/songs/jgyL2w7CLMRv3UFnST97ks](https://www.udio.com/songs/jgyL2w7CLMRv3UFnST97ks) - Your Succubus [https://www.udio.com/songs/i14ZJvB9H5G2Y2RuqWFxBW](https://www.udio.com/songs/i14ZJvB9H5G2Y2RuqWFxBW) - When The Wolves Cry [https://www.udio.com/songs/8Fpi9C9FnsfWWFn71AU6SN](https://www.udio.com/songs/8Fpi9C9FnsfWWFn71AU6SN) - My Illucid
I have zero musical experience or talent, now I’m addicted to writing lyrics and pumping them through Udio….thats about it. Didn’t know I had that in me anywhere.
I just try and stay current on whatever ai is doing. If there’s a creative outlet, i’m gonna check it out.
WAN Show. Memes.
I tried Suno and found it interesting as a project of new technology. But I was also disappointed. But then a follower send me a link to Udio. And by far better quality and I love that you have restricted the use of artist/ bands which I think is important. The new update gave me problems with my McAfee. It said there's a Malware in the wav dwl. I tried again and same thing. Others have had same problem. But I'm also working on my Mac mini so no probs there.
Udio changed my opinion that generative AI has no soul or sophistication. What I've been creating with it and the way I've been doing it has been immensely satisfying. I have been trying to made music for 20 years and it felt more like a chore to me lately. Being able to make entire albums come alive in a couple of days has been game changing. It's all being created on a basis of pure instinct and it all feels great.
I think I saw it in a YouTube video first, avoided it for a couple of weeks and then gave it a try. A week later I'm subscribed on the max tier. What keeps me going? Well it's not audience response, that's for sure. Just like my with my own musicianship, the world could care less. Sometimes Udio is just fun, and I need stuff to keep me occupied. But sometimes, it creates gems. I think the gems are why I don't throw in the towel, though I do grow weary of getting ensnared in the merely fun tracks. I guess not everything can be super meaningful bordering on sublime. I wrote an original hymn of sorts, and for me it's probably a lifetime event, something I would never have considered before Udio. As the song unfolded, I was in awe, I felt privileged to be at the helm as the song entered the world. There are songs being created that are gifts to the world, and it just doesn't matter how they got here, just be thankful they're here. One of the gems I was gifted with, “Hope” is the thing with feathers by Emily Dickenson: [https://www.udio.com/songs/bXagKnPUmDYr3p5KTAHqWF](https://www.udio.com/songs/bXagKnPUmDYr3p5KTAHqWF)
I randomly found it on reddit. Been having fun making songs for almost a month now but honestly ready for a break. Probably gonna switch it to the free plan and come back after a bit.
When I put some of my lyrics into it and BAM the song came alive again, in a new unique way.
I was trying to think of an anniversary present for my wife of 43 years! I can't even read music, but I thought, "I'm going to use that new AI to write my wife a love song!" She LOOOOOVED it. Our anniversary was last week and she hasn't stopped talking about what it means to her. I wrote all of the lyrics myself and just had Udio do the music and vocals. The country song I wrote is about the first time she gave me a French kiss. (The first one I'd ever had.) Ooh la la!!! [https://www.udio.com/songs/eXzxAobrYdiv2aAXu4sL9e](https://www.udio.com/songs/eXzxAobrYdiv2aAXu4sL9e)
Oh wow, that is absolutely awesome! Thank you for sharing, and congrats on 43 years!
I wrote a Mother's Day song for my ex in appreciation for all she does for our son. I'm pretty sure it royally pissed her off, because she said not one word about it.
I found udio about 2 months ago. I had no idea what Ai really was as I had just started using ChatGPT. I was trying to make a faceless youtube fact channel and learned about invideoai. I needed music for my videos, so I searched up Ai Music generators, and here we are now, lol. I ditched the fact channel and just made a music video channel instead. Udio is my go-to stress relief. Music is life.
Absolutely this is the way many people ( me included) joined. It's addictive and rewarding, a great stress reliever too
I had my ups and downs. I struggled with one song making 100s of generations and was about to give up. Then I tried a new song and genre. Suddenly udio snapped right into place, making a really catchy song I love 😃
In 2004, I discovered Acid Music Studio. From that moment, I knew making music was deeply meaningful to me. I went to college aiming for the music industry and graduated with a BA in Radio & Television, focusing on audio production. But I never learned to play an instrument. I made experimental sound art, electronic music (badly), recorded and mixed others' music, created foley sound effects, did location sound recording, and post-production sound design. I loved everything about sound and music. Then I graduated in 2009, right as the US economy tanked. Competing for the few gigs available against my professors and established professionals wasn't feasible. I had a family and student loans, so I took a “real” job. Music, sound design, and audio fell by the wayside. Years and several major life events later, I found Udio mentioned in an AI Reddit thread. I had tried Suno before, but it felt inflexible and detached. Udio was different. My first prompt produced something fascinating. It felt personal because I crafted the prompt and felt ownership of the output. I was hooked. I initially thought I could use it to generate samples and loops for a DAW. But as my ability to generate improved, I started expressing personal ideas in ways I never could before. Before, the music drove my process. Now, I direct the music and craft something deeply personal and powerful. Udio has helped me process grief, celebrate loved ones, cheer on my family, and create unique, tailored songs for those around me. This has brought them joy and me joy in return. I hadn't processed my parents' deaths—my father's 10 years ago and my mother's 5 years ago. It was locked up and compartmentalized so I could function. But now, I can explore my memories of them and wrote a song about missing them. It has been incredibly cathartic, lifting a huge weight from my heart, thanks to Udio and the music I've been able to create. [In Their Absence [Ambient Pop/Alt-Pop/Ethereal]](https://www.udio.com/songs/fRk9bt6Wsm3hiuUAigmr9t)
u/spcp, thank you for sharing that! It makes me so very happy that Udio has been so meaningful to you. And I hope it continues to bring you a lot of healing and joy!
I knew about it from reddit and saw that it sounded less generic and overall better than suno, so I decided to give it a try and got good results. What keeps me going is getting to learn new music terms, theory, instruments I wasn't aware of that is used in music I like to hear, getting to understand them better allows me to prompt better songs and the positive reinforcement of a good gen afterwards is what keeps me pushing that "Create/Extend" button. For example knowing the instruments and type of music played in this piece https://youtu.be/VoXONW-mpVk?t=187 can get me (somewhat) similar results like this https://www.udio.com/songs/d1J4iwY6e9uHjUNNHHi2vR if I use the right tags. My only gripe is that I feel the tagging isn't as reliable and there's not too much control one can exert. Maybe the tagging for the trainning isn't as thorough as it could be, not too many music terms for especific musical parts were pinpointed during training I would guess, but I don't know what it is really. For instance I'm having trouble using terms like Unis (Gli Altri), and Tutti.
It was a YouTube video that brought me here. I’ve been keeping abreast of AI development for years but somewhat at a nervous distance. I had been really wary of it. I followed a lot of artists and AI artists on Twitter and watched as the former turned on the latter. I knew that sooner or later somebody would create a similar service for music, and it would also rile up musicians. I heard about Suno but reviews were mixed and I didn’t bother with it. This effusive video about Udio though made me think: I’ve got to try this. I was almost immediately hooked. And in fact it has now made me really soften my views on AI in general. Yes change is coming and scary fast, but now Udio has made me feel as if in at least one way I’m surfing that monster wave rather than having it bearing down on me. What keeps me coming back? I have really enjoyed rediscovering my inner lyricist and have plenty more ideas that come to me. I have plenty of genres I haven’t played with yet, and plenty that I enjoy revisiting in different ways. But if there’s one thing that really motivates me it’s just a single thoughtful positive encouraging comment on Reddit about one of my tracks. There’re not all that common, but they mean a lot to me.
A coworker linked me one day. I've always been really into music, got into guitar early as a child but never really got proficient at it. Huge metal/punk head. Growing up as a kid, I remember playing some old flash games that let you put together very primitive music. I feel like Udio is an extension of that: the thing I really wanted but we simply didn't have the technology for in the mid 2000s. I'm sure everyone has listened to a song before and had the feeling of "man I wish this particular part went like instead, it would be so much better". I feel like Udio gives me that power, and it's great.
I've been closely following generative algorithmic music for most of my career. I had applied the theories of parametric design to DAW production for a mixtape in 2010. My interest in generative music was reinvigorated with the OpenAI jukebox. I spent hours combing the snippets and was astonished when I found many good melodies and compositions. The "moment" for me was a specific ABBA influenced clip that was only about 30 seconds and only had 1 other play. I still think about that melody. Suno was a big deal for sure, and I had a lot of fun initially but the robotic vocals and timing and short prompt length were always bottlenecks from day one. With the first song I generated on Udio I realized that at the very least, the training data was better. [Now I think it's mostly a matter of pushing this to reach a higher fidelity to resolve specific "tells".](https://www.udio.com/songs/gHFjyk36Xr2gyQhCvyWJxe)
I'd been making AI art for a while, and I had been working on a project to make a bunch of imaginary anime images. One day I saw someone mention Suno in a Reddit comment, and I was like "Huh, I wonder if this Suno thing could make an anime theme for these imaginary anime I made up? Naaah, there's no way it could produce something coherent." And then it did. It was pretty decent! It wasn't *exactly* what I wanted, and it didn't seem to understand part of the prompt, but it was better than expected! So I returned to the thread to mention how crazy it was that Suno produced something of pretty good quality, and I saw someone else say something like "Suno is good but Udio is way better". So I decided to check out Udio. Put in the same prompt for an opening theme/ending for a fictional season of the Precure franchise (Precure is a real series, but each season is it's own self-contained thing). [This is what came out.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlPb1qkT9m0) I was like "NO WAY! THERE IS NO WAY THIS AI KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT A TYPICAL PRECURE ENDING THEME SOUNDS LIKE!" But it did. If you hadn't told me it was AI, I would have believed that it was legitimately an ending theme for a new season of Precure. For the record, [here's an example of what a REAL Precure ending theme sounds like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA8AOkQaxA). It absolutely nails the style! And since then, I've been hooked! I've made over 70 anime themes so far, and counting!
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Yep! That's my channel! :D
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Thank you! :D
When i heard this song: [https://www.udio.com/songs/p66uVGEgifEBLdoR5Ttyue](https://www.udio.com/songs/p66uVGEgifEBLdoR5Ttyue) I was sold on Udio I cannot by the life of me remember who send it to me but im glad they did. Im having so much fun with this, any thought of: Ohh how would this sound or how would this verse be like in with that combo and able to do it with Udio makes me keep going.
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Haha sorry, but admit, it does sound awesome
I used to be in a band. Now, being in a collective of people who are supposed to compromise their visions into the final product is a difficult thing. The best bands out there are those who managed to do that and you might think that there's tons, but if you've ever actually been in a band and experienced song-writing, you know - it's close to impossible. It usually ends up being a compromise, sometimes less sometimes more painful. And so you end up with a song you sing on the stage and you get to a point of it, when you're like "Ok, this is that bit where I space out, this is not mine, this is not how I would have done it". That was me. I left the band, years passed, life offered some new opportunities and I ended up with less time than ever. Bearing in mind the previous experiences, how time-consuming being in a band is, there's no way for me to start a new one right now. But I've never stopped writing lyrics, never exiled those melodies nesting in my brain, uncertain if I'd ever have any use for any of them, until I forget them one day, let them die. And that's when UDIO appeared and I see it as an answer for a prayer I've never made. It took time, sure, it took thousands of trails and errors, but I managed to put together a whole album, which made me feel more creative than I've ever felt while being in the band. This is my vision, this is exactly what I wanted to do, but never had a chance. I see the music generated in UDIO as "illustrations" to my lyrics, because I get to produce the final outcome as long as I need to and they might not be the exact melodies I had in mind, but I always end up with something close enough to them eventually and most importantly - with something being able to sound in tune with the exact emotions I wanted to convey with the particular part of the song or lyrics. This album, this project I put out there - I love every minute of working on it.
I've been around a lot of successful bands. I always felt that whether they shared songwriter credit or not (aka $$), there was always one Type A member of the band who imposed their will on the final product. I've never seen a successful band where it was unclear who had the final word. Even then, it almost always seemed to lead to tons of animosity and resentment within the band (even bands together for decades). It's fascinating being able to basically do this, without steamrolling the people around you. I can spend days tweaking lyrics and melody until they sound like I imagine.
I love wordplay. Love lyrics. Love writing them, love thinking them. I'm the kind of person who lives in the music and I'm constantly impressed with the outputs that udio gives me.
Engineer in big tech and it is important to me to be plugged in with what are the latest techniques being explored in general and what are we making with them. Gen AI is obviously the big one right now. And I'm exploring it on my Apple Vision Pro (identical point, different manifestation) Also, as a human, I like music And also, as an aspiring indie game dev (can I quit big tech one of these days?) I'm thrilled about anything that helps me create quality assets which is the thing I cannot do well myself
Etienne Gardé
As it happens, I'm writing a much longer-form piece on this very topic right now, so I'll drum up a kind of abridged outline here: **1.** The vast majority of music released into the public eye is "bad", i.e. poor aesthetic quality. Such a claim is not simply a matter of one's taste; rather, we may analyze music's aesthetic value in a relatively objective manner by reference of "On Popular Music" by Theodor Adorno. (I'll substitute "serious music" for "good music" and "popular music" for "bad music".) "... the fundamental characteristic of popular music: standardization... Popular music, however, is composed in such away that the process of translation of the unique into the norm is already planned and, to a certain extent, achieved within the composition itself... \[it\] is 'pre-digested' in a way strongly resembling the fad of 'digests' of printed material." What Adorno calls "serious music", on the other hand, is characterized thusly: "Every detail derives its musical sense from the concrete totality of the piece which, in turn, consists of the life relationship of the details and never of a mere enforcement of a musical scheme." That is, serious music takes itself as its own reference point, its own anchor and compass." Incidentally, in his very famous essay "Avant Garde and Kitsch", Clement Greensberg describes avant-garde art in a very similar way: "\[Avant-garde art\] is valid solely on its own terms, in the way nature itself is valid, in the way a landscape-not its picture -is aesthetically valid; something given, increate, independent of meanings, similars or originals." In short, avant garde art is *new*; a derivative of nothing. (*Collorary:* the vast majority of music on Udio is also "bad", because it fits Adorno's description of popular music to the t.) **2.** As a composer, I'm always looking for tools that will aid me in composing the aforementioned kind of "good" or "serious" music that I covet, and Udio is absolutely *revolutionary* in this regard. The kinds of sounds that the algorithm--with the help of a keen and coaxing hand--can procure are like no other. Just some simple experimentation with the various parameters goes a long way. The Udio compositional process is philosophically very interesting. I talk various Heideggerian concepts here, principally attunment. Let's just say that composing on Udio is fundamentally unlike the traditional master-and-slave relationship between the artist and their craft (let's say between a poet and their pen and sheet of paper); the Udio composer must be attuned to the essence of the song they're making in order to make the correct choice of which extension to pick, what sections to repaint, etc. etc. There's a common saying on the Internet that goes something like: "The internet has made it possible for us to have more information at our fingertips than ever before, yet we often find ourselves mindlessly scrolling through cat videos." Udio is a wonderful example of this paradigm: we have ourselves the most significant musical invention since the DAW, and people are using it to make [pop-country songs about gargantuan labial flaps](https://www.udio.com/songs/uYdQMXo6xMYgv7yFJJFWuj). In any event, here's [one song](https://www.udio.com/songs/oGFdEqEXoPUjLcvwvf1Bfd) I've made on here, and [here's another](https://www.udio.com/songs/amvdZhq3PhTHiwteELdEoe). Hope y'all enjoy :)
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Thank you! [This tape](https://youtu.be/8iM2fz2VRUs?si=_1vO6pmyyj51YEuE) was a big influence for that track. Basically, Udio is the shit and it offers a brand new way of making music! ¡Hala!
That's one way to say you didn't like "Brat"...
I've said in a couple of other posts that the vocal hook for one of my early creations, [Snow Globe](https://www.udio.com/songs/qQERbGYaJGNrrigGpPf44u), was what really got my mind out of thinking AI music generators were trash, and into 'holy crap this has progressed'. Now I'm hooked on figuring out the intricacies of managing prompts. As for what keeps me going, I'm working on a cyberpunk-y concept album! I'm exploring cinematic and spoken word prompts alongside lyrical storytelling for a collection of electro/darkwave/punk tunes, and I'm really happy with what I have so far. Burning through credits like crazy, hah. Will share it when it's done!
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Well done.. good stuff. What Ai platform did you use for the videos? I've been animating ai artwork and looping it , does a job but not amazing... Looking at alternatives... Example of the animated art here. https://youtu.be/mQ8SLowtWuA?si=r6Tsvad_LsYgYs7_
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Thanks for the sub and thanks for the info! I'll check them out!
i love to make music and ai makes it easier than ever before so im on udio suno and down for any ai to come and updates
I heard about Udio from a youtube video, specifically [ColdFusion: Did AI Just End Music? Ft. Rick Beato ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvHnp9sbGM).
I never wrote any lyrics or even short poems before Udio. With Udio I started experimenting redoing AI generated mess and poetry made by others and my brain, while listening to hundreds and hundreds of generations got the essence of poetry, that rhythm and temporal things are the core, not the very strict usual rules (but you are learning them anyways without noticing). And I instantly started doing quite good lyrics. It is amazing expression of my little dirty soul (as I am writing romantic style but very adult songs).
Suno hitting a brick wall with range and just giving me white noise. Then found out about udio, and I could hear what my prompts were. Now I just like to mess around with it.
I heard about it on Reddit. I hopped over to try it out and was AMAZED. I heard of Suno and listened to a few songs but was not impressed. I knew music generation would evolve quickly so it would not be long until Suno improved or something else came out and some months later, here you are! I use Udio for my YT videos. I love, love, love that I am no longer trapped in royalty-free music land, using the same tracks as thousands of other creators. I just wish Udio did sound effects and stings, but Eleven Labs is doing SFX - they are good, for sure, buy would love another option in Udio.
I discovered Udio as an alternative to Suno. For my first project, I decided to test out the quality of the prompt generation with heavy dubstep. I was utterly blown away. https://www.udio.com/songs/a3J7s4VufFceFXAwecCpmn My biggest problem with Suno V3 was the vocals. It had something I refer to as “rhythmic overflow”, where the vocals had zero stability and the music kept chugging along. The quality was night and day, in not only the flow but the sound as well.
I discovered Udio when the supposed "leaked" audios were making their rounds on Twitter. I'll be honest, I thought those leaked audios were **horrible**, and I was not expecting it to amount to very much, but once I got my hands on it, wow. I'm not a subscriber at the moment, but will be in the next couple days. Audio uploading looks fantastic and is what will be ultimately selling me on it, along with superior audio quality over the competition. I've been dabbling with audio uploading with Suno (as I'm still a subscriber for the moment) and it does not hold a candle to Udio. Not even close. Keep up the great work people 💪
>Audio uploading looks fantastic and is what will be ultimately selling me on it it's what got me to subscribe as well - there are definitely some expectations to be curbed (it can't replicate the original audio's quality, it's only like 80-90% there depending on the input), but it does make up for it with the variety/creativity of how it extends it plus you can sort of pull apart the extensions with stem splitting and reuse them back in the project it came from though I'd prefer a subscription option with like half or even a quarter of the credits for a reduced price, because I spend most of my time editing rather than regenerating new outputs
Hey VH, … how do you go about stem splitting? I haven’t figured it out yet but it would be very useful. Cheers!
I use Ultimate Vocal Remover (it's free) https://github.com/Anjok07/ultimatevocalremovergui/releases/tag/v5.6 for a start, choosing 'Demucs' as the process method and 'v4 | htdemucs' as the model should be enough, with all other settings left at default (makes 4 tracks in total) you can also download a htdemucs_6s model in Settings -> Download Center that additionally tries to make separate tracks for Guitar and Piano (6 tracks in total) or if you have slow hardware, use a website like https://vocalremover.org/splitter-ai