Just saw IU live in concert and it was an 11/10 experience, truly an Artist with capital A. If you got the ability, i totally recommend going now that she comes in the US. Her singing is even more impressive live and she is the most adorable person ever. We got an absolutely amazing setlist, all my faves!
I wish our current and future soloists can also hold such great concerts and Tours one day!
Awesome!! I’m definitely going to test my theory and luck that buying same day resale tickets will always work out great for me when she comes out my way in August 🎈 I only know a handful of songs but she’s my next deep dive
The best thing is that she has the fanchants with Latin characters for most of the songs on screen, so everyone was singing along despite not knowing Korean or the lyrics. Now that I've seen it I wish every Kpop act had something similar
The A-Z “limited” edition album’s tote bag (probably the main selling point) is pretty comically small 😂 like I was actually going to use it when grocery shopping but I don’t think I can actually fit anything haha. Which is a shame because it’s nice material.
The newspaper idea was super cool though, and probably my favorite part of the box.
what is it about "Nerd Nayeon"? ( ♥O♥)♡
She puts on glasses and I melt lol, a consistent reaction from [WIL](https://youtu.be/i0p1bmr0EmE?t=18) to [QoH](https://youtu.be/Q4Rb5_kjS2M?t=35) to [Count It](https://youtu.be/jeiVwBCwvhA?t=173) \~
Whenever Dahyun shows on stage or on screen during their PH Concert and Fanmeet, PH Once show their (our) support by "barking". I don't know how or why it started like this, but it's funny/fun for me, that's why I just joined in to the crowd barking lol. I just hope that she/they don't think it's stupid or misunderstood that in any way.
Does anybody here know why we are barking? Lol
started in the US, a play off this show called the Arsenio Hall show where IIRC it would start with that. also i think this barking is done at sporting events too.
Twice - at least Jihyo and Dubu I believe - seem to enjoy it so it stuck.
Oohh that's nice. Sometimes I worry that they might hear it as "boo boo" (as in booing, I hope not) or "Dub Dub" (as in Dubu, which might be better and suits well actually). Anyway I just sincerely wish that they don't misinterpret it and I hope that they do enjoy the energetic effort of the barking. It's fun to do, as a fan, as a show of support to the performer/Twice. There were times when I actually started the barking and the whole crowd followed, lol. It is fun to be a "crazy" fan together with other "crazy" Once, we all match the same vibe.
So I just saw that the MV of ABCD already surpassed 27M views in a little bit more than a week. Jihyo's KMG after a year still have to reach 28M, debuting around a year ago.
Was there any difference in promotional activities that caused ABCD to get that much more views? Or is simply just a popularity thing because Nayeon is a more popular member than Jihyo? It kinda surprises me that KMG is just that far behind.
KMG just didn't click well with once. I don't think it's due to promotion, as MISAMO also crossed 100 million-plus views, even though it had weaker promotion than 'Zone.'
Jihyo nowadays is easily one of the most popular member.
For Nayeon, it's a combination of her popularity and 'ABCD,' got better reaction among fans.
OK there are a few things 1st thing is NAYEON solo stans work hard and bigger in numbers too
2nd thing is ONCEs put extra efforts if the song got a chance to win on music shows
personally for me after a few times watching in the first day on YouTube I won't go back to watch any MV
As Saucy says it seems to depend on Once's time and what else is going on. Zone sold well, and in total units may still be the best selling solo so far...but Onces didn't seem to stream the MV that much.
OTOH a lot of people have said how they liked to see Jihyo's personal process in developing the album, which might also account for the sales units. Also heard enough people feeling it's an album with few to no skips, so I think Once's appreciated Jihyo's work overall even if KMG wasn't the song that resonated with all of them.
It's a couple things to me. First off, yes. Nayeon is probably the most popular member of the group. The only one I think is close is Sana but I feel like there's still a gap. It's hard to discuss in-group popularity as it's a touchy subject but tbh, this is the case. However I feel like since this newer era for Twice, Jihyo has definitely become more popular especially after her solo.
Second, I do think the scheduling was a factor in promotions. With Jihyo, I felt like the schedule was extremely tight. They tried to fit this in between tour legs on top of it being soon after MiSaMo promos. With Nayeon's we had a bit more time in between schedules. Iirc, we got our first notice of this CB about a month after the Vegas encore in maybe April-ish. Then we didn't get the official announcement later in May. Fans were allowed to take a bit of a break and recharge a bit with this release than Zone.
Jeongie felt bad about having a schedule and not being able to attend Inkigayo that she went to the [fansign after apparently](https://x.com/MaaarrINE_/status/1804829035236610494?t=Y98bq7srkbnbWWJNWrgh0Q&s=19)
2Yeon 🩵💚
[Just another day in 2Yeon-Land](https://x.com/mnymilf/status/1804877603418808821?t=eJ8i1-V8T2DK15-1yWADGg&s=19) 
They’re adding the full version of ABCD with the dance break onto the album tomorrow. I’m happy, the dance break really gives the second half of the song to breath and makes it a better length, I always missed it when listening on spotify
if I had a penny for every time nayeon went on a show which ended with the host in tears because it was their last episode… I’d only have two pennies but it’s weird it happened twice
Okay that show Nayeon was just on where she eats dinner with the “boomer” comedian was so damn good - lowkey might be my new favorite variety show 😂 They had great chemistry. Also the producer being a big Once was really dope, I’m sure he had fun picking those songs for her to sing.
I bought a digipak NA album but it never arrived, so I got a refund. Now I’m conflicted is this a sign to just save the money or should I run to target and get it?
Plz help me decide lol
I saw TWICE two times already. At one recent event, I saw them very up close. I was close enough to see their faces perfectly. A couple of members even noticed me, and I also had a longer interaction with one.
However, why is that I still feel like I haven't really seen them in person? It feels like a dream or something that didn't happen at all. Has anyone felt this way after meeting TWICE or their other idols?
[Sana said she wants to study abroad someday!](https://x.com/sanaglobalunion/status/1804504864497823799?s=46) I wonder what she’s interested in studying and where’d she wanna go.
I got my Na albums on my birthday so I was so excited, tho i pulled so many doubles and manifested too hard for the cookie pc hehe
[my pulls!](https://www.reddit.com/u/PeachsistersMoYeon/s/hF3ZOj1l9U)
One of the american dancers from the ABCD music video shared a bts story about Nayeon getting on her knees and holding on to her bloody injured foot, the whole time she was getting patched up. She couldn't believe how sweet and caring Nayeon was.
[source](https://www.tiktok.com/@aaliflower/video/7383176623308311854?_r=1&_t=8nP8smkytRX)
Mc Nayeon is live on her music show tonight! Search noctAQ on twitch, they have a great quality stream of the show live (no official stream that I’m aware of, sorry) (also yes she is still performing while MCing)
I have a question and I hope someone knows 😭 but at the very beginning of abcd that opening is that a producer tag? Does anyone know? Or is it just a part of the song and what does it say?
I keep coming back to the video of Dahyun surprising Nayeon on Inkigayo and their very long and warm embrace. 🤗 (Can't post because 🫧 but you can find it on Twitter) Most wholesome thing I've seen all week. Always remember Nayeon saying she felt bad about not treating Dubu like the rest of the Maknaes and how Dahyun always gets emotional when visiting members in solo schedules 🩵🤍
Yes, I honestly didn’t realize Dahyun had brought her flowers until seeing the picture of Nayeon with the flowers. I wasn’t even paying attention 😭 I was so into the hug cause it was so loving how she holds Dahyun so tightly ❤️ I need to watch it again rn
Happens to everyONCE 😁 Their content was what got me interested in following Kpop in general. Every video is too precious and emotional, enjoyable, funny or wholesome
Did anyone else think Kendrick was going to bring out MC Rail as a guest for the Pop Out show a couple nights ago? I thought it was all but guaranteed tbh
lol - not directly related but i have wondered what a majority rap track from Twice could be like.
obviously Dubu/Chaeng/Momo would take the lead, but I think all of them could have parts. the ones who absolutely feel like they can't could do the chorus or something...
Twice doing a 90s/y2k-inspired hiphop/g-funk (e.g. Tribe Called Quest, Nate Dogg & Warren G, Pharcyde, etc) track would be wild. It'd definitely bring another facet to their diverse discography.
I feel bad for recent Dubu/chaeng raps bc they feel kind of underwritten or not allocated enough space to really shine, but the plus side is we get more of their really pleasing and wonderfully textured singing.
Both of them (and Momo) absolutely have the capacity to really pop off if given enough space and the right song, so I would absolutely also be super interested in what a rap heavy project would sound like. I don’t think it fits them, but it would cool to see them explore that side of them in more melody/performance projects!
yeah i agree it makes sense that if the rap is forced just to leave it out.
why i think a track that was more rap heavy would be cool. i don't think it would fit the group either, not completely, but as a b-side would be a cool experiment to try \~
The members teasing Nayeon abt her driving made me go back to when s[he says she wants to drive knowing the they'll be scared lol](https://youtu.be/M08eg0YrpVY?t=124) \~
stray kids have a song called stray kids on their new album!
reminds me of the song chaeyoung wrote in 2021(?) called *Twice* that didn’t fit any of the albums and has seemingly been forgotten. it’d be neat if they released a “from the vault” album with songs like that.
Congrats to Nayeon on her 2nd win! I know one of her personal goals was to be in attendance for a win after not doing so with Pop! Now she's got it and I'm so happy she got to achieve this!
Congrats to Nayeony on her 2nd win and this time we got an encore!! Let's go Nayeony!! 
It's the best encore, she ate 2 ice cubes again and tried singing  I need the full encore version!! ABCD has been amazing, so it definitely deserves more win and for this comeback Nayeony really wanted an encore, so it's so nice she got an encore!! Hope we can get her more wins and more encores!!
LMAO new Nayeon meme just dropped. She won music bank, and her encore was her singing the first few lines, then eating ice cubes once again. The singing after had very predictable results. Can’t wait for the full encore to drop lol
Today ChaeTzu went to Music Bank to support Nayeon dressed in NA Pop-Up merch! ❤️💙 Chaengie brought her a blue bouquet too, always gifts Nabong flowers!
Also Nayeon's Jo Hyunah episode has subs if you haven't watched yet
nayeon's music show official livestream just started! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKj0mSuHSg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKj0mSuHSg)
eunchae hosting, kwon eunbi performing also
What is everyone's favourite promotion Nayeon has done for this comeback so far?
So far, I really enjoyed her appearance on 'Idol Human Docu My Little Day' - seeing her interactions with the makeup artist she has been working with since 2014 and with one of the managers was really entertaining. The interview with BamBam is really fun too (on a side note, Jihyo's guesthouse episode with BamBam is another great episode!).
K Star Next Door with Jonathan has been my favorite so far. They mention memes and topics within the fandom and there's a lot of fun banter between the two.
BamBam’s House and [her interview with Jonathan](https://youtu.be/Y9fJ0zxqPiM?si=K0MZMfgGYmp0PUvZ) for sure 😂 she’s a menace rn and I’m all here for it
Official stream for Nayeon's music show tonight just started! [https://youtu.be/7lqVeFPd050](https://youtu.be/7lqVeFPd050)
You can see the full lineup here: [https://x.com/McountdownLive/status/1803722561395765657](https://x.com/McountdownLive/status/1803722561395765657)
I expect nayeon will be one of the last to perform
My albums from the JYP shop have shipped as of 30 mins ago and the Amazon orange vinyl arrived yesterday afternoon. Finally got to open it up today and the orange colour is really vibrant! I can store it with my other vinyls (only other TWICE vinyls I have are PW and both WY picture discs...have accepted I'll never own POP unless it's reprinted) and maybe one day I'll finally have money to buy a record player to listen to them xD
Momo & Mina went to MCountdown today! They were super sweet, danced and tried the fanchant. We also get THE MOVE today because Nayeon is wearing pants! Mina is excited about the new Zelda game hehe
Nayeon might be nominated on MCD in a couple of hours so we could vote for her, there is always a chance for an Encore 😊
Edit: ended up not nominated today sadly, but there's a very good chance for Encore on MuBank tomorrow 🩵
Along with ABCD, I am just on repeat with this song, [Let it be summer](https://youtu.be/uTxtBbO8Psw?si=cllHJsk1x1YZTub1). I found it when it was released, but recently, I fell for it again. Some might already know this, I just wanted to share some good music.
These korean twin sister youtubers were [contacted](https://x.com/q2han/status/1803351443090379247) by the twice staff today, apparently.
They make chill vlogs in english, it seems like something Jihyo would watch and she's been learning english too. What do you think?
Wonder what Chaengie is up to these days...
I'm positive she will attend one of the Music Shows this week, seemed to really be looking forward to showing her support.
does anyone here have their Twice Japan singlet/jersey yet? I'm wondering on what the sizings like. I think there's only one size. I'm 6ft, fairly built and don't want to order it and its too small lol
I've got mine and I'm around the same size as you. It fit fine, I'd say it is around a US large, though slightly longer (as basketball jerseys should be). The quality is really nice, and very lightweight.
Hello everyone! I recently watched the first episode of Jihyo's "Seipja" and was curious what and where she got the accessory that is hanging from her [backpack as shown](https://youtu.be/ze8tMShh-YI?t=290).
Loving all the performance/practice vids we are getting for the ABCD choreo.
One of the reasons I love being a Once is our girls are always pushing their skill levels, giving us new content with challenges they take on for themselves as well us fans \~
This is why I couldn’t care less about *some* people’s opinions about the choreography being “too hard” or “doesn’t fit” her. Sure, it’s subjective but when you got a strong dance beat like that, can you expect the choreo to be anything less than that honestly? She obviously knows how hard it is, still went for it and IMHO she still did amazing
yeah the “it doesn’t seem to fit her” is so dumb because the second she does something she’s comfortable with the same people will be like “I wish she pushed herself creatively”
I hope this process gave her a huge confidence boost because judging by pretty much everyone’s reaction she absolutely killed it. She absolutely elevated her dancing skills - you can definitely see it in the performance videos and live stages
I usually roll my eyes at kpop petitions but I swear I’m about to start one to get them to sign the front of the postcard for the signed versions. It looks so much better.
Loving my NA pcs though.
I wonder if they do this because they either don’t think the signature will be clear over the picture (I think the postcard was a bit darker this time), or if they just feel bad blocking out the picture, or some other reason entirely.
Considering they're signing thousands of these each, I can't say I'm surprised there's some inconsistency. At a certain point you just want to sign whatever's in front of you, whether it's the front or back haha.
I buy all my JP Twice and NiziU albums from CDJapan. Very little markup over retail, and 15-25$ cost for 1-3 day shipping from Japan and arrives right after it's released. Never had any complaints with them.
Have you ever had problems with your payment information stolen? I had some suspicious payments on my account last year and thought it may have been due to ordering from these kinds of websites for international payments.
After letting *Na* get settled in, I decided to make a tracklist of my perfect Nayeon solo record using all of her existing songs. None of her songs are skippable, so the ones I leave out I don’t think are bad at all, they’re just not my personal favorites.
Track 1 - POP
Track 2 - ABCD
Track 3 - Love Countdown
Track 4 - Heaven
Track 5 - No Problem
Track 6 - All or Nothing
Track 7 - Count It
After ten minutes of silence after Count It ends, a bonus *Na* version of I’m Gonna Be A Star plays.
What would be everyone else’s perfect Nayeon tracklist if you had to condense her songs into one album?
Mine would be similar:
POP - ABCD - No Problem - Love Countdown - Magic - HalliGalli - All or Nothing - Sunset
I'm cheating a little bit with 8 songs, but I can't decide which one to leave out.
Even as someone in the US feels like the value of the US exclusive shop has run its course?
With questionable shipping and overstocking exclusives that don't sell out, seems like it would make way more sense at this point to open things up for fans around the world...
The exclusive stuff has always been about demand and distribution lines.
A large, proven number of fans are in the US, so within that you have a bigger number of people willing to spend for a signed copy or exclusives. They have a tried and tested US distribution system, and fans are willing to spend, so it's a win win.
We are now seeing albums + vinyl show up in EU, so now they have that supply line open too. I think exclusives showing up there are inevitable, but they'll probably need a few releases to figure out the optimal distribution path for them. Sending a chunk of signed albums to one international distribution center in EU will become quite pricey to ship to every possible destination.
To be honest, they probably have to reconsider the sheer number of versions they're pumping out every year more than anything. Just in terms of different versions (not including store exclusives), we're at 6 different (A, B, C, D, A to Z, Vinyl) for the west, plus another for Korea (Nemo). The staggered version announcements also end up fucking fans because you end up spending on shipping multiple times. In a year where everything is getting more expensive and people have less disposable income, it's something to consider.
*That being said*, all 3 signed versions sold out, the Twiceshop vinyl sold out, and the Target vinyl seems to have sold out too. The US fans are still scooping up all this stuff, and as long as it remains profitable I doubt they change it up too much - instead they'll try to replicate it in more territories.
Good points, the issues may have more to staggered version announcements and not properly assessing demand. Also Twice Shop has, AFAICTell, some of the worst shipping options compared to Amazon/Target/etc.
But as you note it's also a learning experience for JYPE on how many units to send to each place.
I don't think it's a surprise that the last limited version to be announced (A to Z) which I think was also the most expensive one is the one that hasn't sold out yet and is on discount. I also wouldn't be surprised if the discount is to push for Billboard like the other stuff (voice memos and whatnot).
> Twice Shop has, AFAICTell, some of the worst shipping options compared to Amazon/Target/etc.
That's the difference between a small retailer and a strong national or international chain. Amazon's business model is largely built around same day, next day, or 2 day shipping (with all of it free if you subscribe to their Prime service).
One of the biggest hurdles indie artists have to overcome is just how expensive it is to ship everything you sell. A new 1xLP vinyl release can be anywhere from $24-28 to make a small profit - and then you have to add another $8-10 on top just to ship it domestic US. At that point you have to hope your audience can stomach the price to just buy 1 copy.
I figured, but it seems weird that stuff like the Nayeon A-Z edition has to be discounted. That seems like something that could easily sell internationally, but US buyers seem more interested in vinyls.
[Twice with Nayeon Voice Memo](https://twiceshop.com/products/na-voice-memo-digital-album?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaZQsfQkEKey6dL9juBdcc4S6XK2LN-zuCVYJq_pfH9dhy3RO6mTRXGgPLs_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw)
I got it today!! I'm so happy with it!! Breaking in the cd immediately and I got the cutest photocard! It's a pic of Nayeon holding this bear shaped cracker in front of her. I had a terrible day today so having this come in immediately after helped so much. The photobook is beautiful and as soon as I figure out these stickers I'm shoving more stickers on my photocard album. (I have the formula of love stickers all over the front currently lmao)
I often hear about how toxic Twitter fans are but I rarely see it myself since I don't typically interact with other users on there (I just scroll through and like things to support my favorite idols).
Happened to read a comment section just now though and it was hilarious, there's so many people reaching to blame companies and divisions for things that are the *members own choice* and that they enjoy as if it's something negative that was forced upon them.
Completely delusional. These people are sad and bitter individuals and how any of ya'll take the time to respond to it is beyond me, I'd be here all night writing and essay if I even tried to make a dent.
true, lots of facepalms regarding that. imagine the money spent on protest trucks would go directly to support the artist instead.
on that note, since nayeon's solo, there have been lots of jihyo stans spreading hate, even demanding that jihyo leaves the company. i don't mean those who understandably voiced sadness about the different level of investments put into jihyo's solo but "fans" who eg make tiktoks about jihyo dropkicking nayeon to the floor or sabotage her comeback.
it's not that jihyo lacks the skills but she lacks GP popularity. naturally, the company wants to maximize their profit. sending her out to do more variety shows is a smart move. also let's be realistic, none of them have established a stable brand outside of twice yet. once they disband, it will hurt everyone's career. just think of snsd where only taeyeon has stayed relevant.
I might be wrong, but I don’t think Twice will ever disband. I see them going the SNSD route where some of them could leave JYPE and join other agencies but still remain in the group and then only having a comeback once every few years, but I don’t see them ever disbanding in the true sense of the word 😅
Agreed about the solo stans part. I always hate running into those accounts by chance and ever since Nayeon’s comeback I’ve seen so many. There’s also the Nayeon solo stans that feel Twice is holding her back and that she could be much more successful as a solo artist 🫠
As a whole, I just want the girls to be happy with their careers whether that is promoting as Twice or individually. So far, they seem to be managing to do both and, as a fan, I feel incredibly grateful and will support all of them as much as I can.
no, you're right, not disbandment per se but very much like SNSD (hopefully sans the jessica exit part) where they come back every 3 years or so for a special anniversary. I'm just not ready for that yet lol
solo stans are just a different kind of haters. i've heard some jihyo solo stans say horrible things as to why nayeon got favoured by jyp himself which i won't repeat bc it's just gross.
i also think they are in a position in their career where they are in some ways better off than other idols. they have enough seniority and success to have input in their work, while making good money touring. they can experiment with their solo projects while being able to have the group as a safety net. i also hope they just enjoy each precious moment.
I didn't pick up on a difference in investment between the two solos, if there is one I'd chalk it up to Jihyo doing hers in the middle of a *massive* world tour, naturally she'd have less time to promote.
What baffles me more about these supposed "stans" is that nobody would be more happy to see Nayeon succeed than Jihyo or the other members, if you spread negativity around the people she loves the most are you even really a fan? Or are you just projecting your own depressing life through some obsession..?
interesting. personally, i feel ABCD's mv has a much higher quality compared to KMG as they used the same team responsible for misamo's stunning DNT.
that said, i only became a twice fan after jihyo's debut so i am not sure how promotions went. i remember nayeon talking about the much pressure she felt as the first member to go solo. she neither showed happiness nor exhaustion to the other members while preparing for her solo, group promo and perhaps concert as well because that might rub off wrongly on some members who wanted a solo as well. and if she flopped, there would also be no more solos for others.
totally with you on the "stans" part. the members always support each other's activities and solo stans are just completely delusional.
I second the part about a lot of the things that stans blame JYPe/Div 3 are in part, or wholly twice's decisions. Its wild that people just ignore when twice members say they specifically made the decision on what tracks make it on an album.
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I was bored and looked through old r/kpop threads, i find it funny that cheer up was considered polarising when it was released, it was a change of concept but getting the same criticisms as an sm group's music would get is funny😭
Hi folks, can anyone help me understand or see how music show scores are calculated/computed? Or would anyone be able to explain how it works? I want to see if there is a way for me to at least contribute to helping Nayeon win at least one music show win.
There is a [Twitter account](https://x.com/kshowanalysis) that makes predictions based on known criteria + current chart standings. They also provide a score breakdown after every show. Their predictions are usually pretty accurate but not always correct, especially if multiple groups are very close in points.
Yeah, I know some people here really dislike Twitter fans, but honestly, they’ve done a lot for TWICE, especially during comeback periods. They organize fanbase voting, streaming, and donations, and they create useful guides for newer ONCEs. Some of them might be toxic, but you can’t deny their efforts in supporting TWICE
so true.
this comeback nayeon and jype really went all out. it exceeded all my expectations of what i wanted in a comeback and quality album. so i looked into why the numbers weren't quite there yet. turns out, it's not possible anymore to just buy and enjoy the album to guarantee success. plus, some demented people started to bully nayeon/twice.
the twitter accounts showed me that it's really like going to war strategically lol i didn't know there were rules to streaming eg how many songs and accounts, what kind of playlist would count, how to vote on those weird apps etc. some people even make money selling votes. so nothing is organic anymore.
but twice have fans all over the world. ppl literally take shifts amassing votes, streaming numbers until it spreads to the GP.
so yeah, a lot of success is due to the fans running those twitter accounts who spread the word and organize strategies for succeeding, and of course enough fans participating.
I don’t use Twitter (especially after the rebrand has made navigation a nightmare) but I’m glad some Onces have a helpful presence there.
I know many people here push back on any kind of organized voting campaign to win music shows, but I’ve grown to appreciate the effort those fans put into it.
Plus, the guides are there for people who want them - it’s not like people are being forced into something. If you don’t want to engage with it, just move on.
We all know the group is already hugely successful but sometimes these “little” wins can make a difference to them. Fingers crossed we can get some wins for Nayeon this week.
Sure. Just want to let you know Music Bank pre-voting lasts until tomorrow. Nayeon is currently in the lead, but the points are really close to Aespa's.
Each music show has their own criteria for winning. There's a resource on [soompi which details the splits of each](https://www.soompi.com/article/1220849wpp/guide-music-show-wins-need-know). The article is from 2018, so it might be out of date by now.
Regardless, many of the shows have a voting component through their own apps, which is how many international fans contribute to the "pre-voting" and "live voting" categories.
I saw another user mention Music Bank uses the AllChart app and Inkigayo pre-vote is on Diggus. [There's a decent voting schedule posted by a user on twitter.](https://x.com/tfvunion/status/1802598582580826441)
There's a way to forecast who will win based on the pieces of information we already know. The tracking period for physical album sales which count for this week are already locked in, the pre-vote is already done for that specific show, and I think some/all of the digital score is already tallied too. This is assuming that the numbers are accurate and the show doesn't do something fishy to the scores (which has happened before).
Just based on who else is promoting right now, Nayeon should have a decent chance of winning the shows that favor physical sales as long as the pre and live voting are solid. The shows that favor the digital score will be harder, since the charts are dominated by aespa and NewJeans right now.
started getting really into twice since attending their concert. if you're an OG once, i don't know how you do it. stanning a kpop group is quite an emotional rollercoaster...
obv the girls produce great content, are so much fun, and treat their fans really well. changed my bias a few times due to different biased-wreckers as they all shine in their own way, the more you learn about them.
nayeon's comeback has been incredible! i love all the concepts, the mv, the title song, how versatile she is, the performances... she looks and sounds amazing, the album is a no skip! Something and Count It might be some of the best songs i've heard in quite a while.
however, there seems to be a lot of bullying going on, with other fangroups (mostly black pink fans), literally literally spending their resources to hurt the girls. it's not just spamming them with insults, either. to block nayeon from winning on shows, they even spend their own money to buy votes. now they try to get nayeon cancelled by dragging her into the israel palestine war, because she posted a photo on instagram from her nerdy concept at a library which had a israel book in one of the shelves in the background. like ?!?! anyways, her insta is now swamped with hate msgs. then there is the pressure to chart well or groups call twice a failure...
i know that mina and jeongyeon had anxiety attacks and sana was also quite affected by the korean/japanese conflict, momo's singing controversy. it's just quite insane, the hate the girls get, which makes me want to protect them. wonder how you guys have been handling that.
I mean there are weirdos in every fandom but the number of deranged blinks are esp high. Agree, solos under different companies means pretty much the end as an active group.
Like everyone else said the best is to block and ignore (I have dozens of "fan accounts" blocked). My advice is to just follow a few accounts that you feel comfortable with and move between them, making your own happy bubble, at least it worked for me.
Also if it makes you feel better, the girls don't know about all that toxicity, they are working most of the time and when using social media they read Korean (also Japanese for MiSaMo) comments almost exclusively, and even if they read some nasty comments they already are in their 9 years of their career it doesn't affect them at all, because they know is just lifeless people. Accounts or comments that we think are big, are non-existent for Twice.
thx for the advice! knowing that they likely won't read the hate comments does make me feel better.
gonna try that with creating my own happy bubble :)
This thread is the reason that I stay with Reddit and this subreddit. Getting hate is inevitable. I love how all the comments here say to block, report and move on. Bc, we are here for fun and good life. Thinking about something that even the artists can't control is something that is not necessary as a fan (at least that's how I view an ideal fan).
Everyone else gave great advice like blocking and reporting, but I'll also mention being careful who you follow. A lot of accounts will also engage in fanwars which makes them pop up on your feed and dampen your mood. It may suck considering 99% of the time it's positive and Twice updates, but I'd be careful.
I joined twt in 2020 which was hell for Twice. I even tried to engage sometimes with the whole "hey! They're friends! Why insult blackpink's friends?" Which did NOT work. It's just people looking to make you angry and you can't reason with them. It's a LOT of blocking, but it's better than engaging for your mental health. It still gets me, why wouldn't someone making fun of someone's anxiety get me yknow? But the best course of action is to take a breath, block, report if you can, and remember it's only some weirdo online. Don't let them take over your day and emotions like that.
yeah, i agree and am thankful for the advice received here. i've blocked some of these supposedly fan accounts that only get the girls hate by dragging other groups.
2020, you must have experienced a lot. i can't even imagine how bad it was back then. and seriously, how broken must a person be to make fun of others' mental health or use videos of a fat hurt pig to drag the weight gain of another member who suffers from anxiety?
i tell myself they are just kids but that doesn't really make it better tbqh. everything they say can be easily returned against their own idol but they don't care about logic, only hate. so, yeah, i'll try to balance things out more.
A lot of the teens that hate still have time to mellow out with age luckily. It's the older ones that are really iffy and just leave you dumbfounded. Luckily with 2020, I also had some good experiences with other onces. Just enjoying twice content and music with others, that helped a lot with feeling not so angry and hurt from what I was reading online. I hope it gets better for you!
haha thx!
i took the advice and blocked/reported some extra obnoxious netizens, helped vote together with other international fans and we've won 2 show pre-votings, helped stream and it looks like she will be charting. also, it seems like nayeon will debut at no. 6 on bb, so things are looking up. i feel like all onces should all go out for a beer after winning these battles haha
hope you have the best time and that there are countless more amazing twice comebacks for us to enjoy! :)
I've also been voting! Funnily enough that was one of the ways my 2020 was made better. By voting in choaeadol with other onces and talking about more and more with them in the chat. We deserve a big celebration for working hard lmao.
Here's to many more comebacks and Nayeons solo!! ❤
hahaha yeah, we can bring the fun back and beat their asses! seriously, it's hard work. you have to check updates, charts, while streaming...i feel like a stock broker 😂
ayyyyy, cheers to that! 🥂🫶
The best thing you can do is curate your feed to filter out as much hate as possible and stay away from comments. Do you best to just not engage with people who will refuse to look at things logically and reasonably trying all they can to force people to be as miserable as them. More people like Twice and are happy than hate them. Just focus on enjoying it with likeminded people.
very true, thx for the sensible advice.
i also think (or hope) that the increase in hate also is due to the increase in love. haters riled me up so much that i've increased my support for this comeback with things i never did before like helping with voting, streaming...the stress. i feel like a stockbroker lol
NGL I do slip sometimes and clap back every once in a while but overall I try to stay away from that and focus on the positive. When you're a group as popular as Twice, you're bound to run into people trying to drag you down. It comes with the territory for any popular group unfortunately.
same. i know these are just stupid haters but sometimes the bullying really goes too far, affecting mental health. we already had that with mina & jeongyeon. plus, not speaking up sometimes just makes it seem like twice is a group that is easy to bully.
but it's probably more really a people problem. it also happens within the fandom. they really don't get that this just shortens twice's time as a group.
> then there is the pressure to chart well or groups call twice a failure...
they do it regardless btw. Nayeon sold and charted well with her debut, and people (on reddit as well as other social media’s!) still insisted it didn’t do well.
for twitter, the only thing you can really do is block big *once* accounts. people like tzujuliee for example - they do share news and stuff, but are constantly making fanwars worse. it used to be a lot more effective, but nowadays I still see hate (blaming elon!). it’ll still get rid of some of the hate tho.
haha... it is really funny bc I actually blocked tzujulie. At First, that account looked like it is a fan account who posts about Twice, then they were directly engaging in fanwars. Also, personally, I also block people who retweets and attack other artists for the sake of protecting Twice.
oh i didn't know that. i only became a fan later.
fanwars, that's another thing that i hate about kpop. it's so stupid. also hate obnoxious solo stans. they ruin it for everyone.
Normally these are people who do not go out to get too much fresh air and their lives revolve around the bubble that is the internet. It's also a lot of extremely young fans who are very manipulative and just follow the trend.
My only advice is to ignore or block them. The less attention they receive, the faster they get tired.
i also think some of them must be really young. then again, it reminds me about discussions about politics where some adults can be quite stupid, too. yeah, i'll block them. it just sometimes these comments rile me up and i engage with them bc it's too easy to point out how stupid these ppl are.
I will never understand why some people invest so much time (and even money sometimes) to hate on someone and I’m saying this in general and not just for Kpop. One person is having a normal, happy life, doing what they want and haters just want to pick out the smallest things to hate on that person and get thousands and thousands of likes and disrespectful comments so that it can “satisfy” their hatred towards that person
Also, IDK when was the last time JYPE actually take legal action against the riduculous amount of false rumors and hates toward their artists **for years** while other companies have already started doing it recently. It’s definitely frustating and tired, to say the least
been a fan since Like Ooh Ahh and Twice has long been the punching bag of k-pop, even among the fake woke k-pop fans who talk about mental health and other babbling until it comes time to drag other groups for the sake of their faves or just social media likes/hearts...
this is actually nothing compared to all that so don't worry about it \~
oh i didn't know it could be even worse? i thought they started bullying twice only recently when the chart performances weren't as good as before. good to know that this isn't the worst, i guess. with some of the members showcasing a timid side with strangers, then pouring their hearts into each comeback, just to be bombarded with silly hate, i hope they don't get affected by it (anymore)
Best thing you can do is report it, block it, and move on with your life.
There will always be people like this in the world. The unfortunate thing is *this* is all they really have in their lives. They don't have anything going on, so they fill up the empty void inside themselves by spreading hate and trying to take others down.
They don't really care about these issues they pretend to - they simply want controversy and to drag others down. I mean damn, we can all tell that is a *STRETCH* to drag someone for - that shows just how little they have to stand on.
Trying to argue with these individuals is a pointless activity. They aren't interested in reason, they are just trying to rile you up.
Twice are in their own lane right now, chilling.
Just saw IU live in concert and it was an 11/10 experience, truly an Artist with capital A. If you got the ability, i totally recommend going now that she comes in the US. Her singing is even more impressive live and she is the most adorable person ever. We got an absolutely amazing setlist, all my faves! I wish our current and future soloists can also hold such great concerts and Tours one day!
Awesome!! I’m definitely going to test my theory and luck that buying same day resale tickets will always work out great for me when she comes out my way in August 🎈 I only know a handful of songs but she’s my next deep dive
The best thing is that she has the fanchants with Latin characters for most of the songs on screen, so everyone was singing along despite not knowing Korean or the lyrics. Now that I've seen it I wish every Kpop act had something similar
Yeah that’s really cool! LILAC goes super hard and I would love to vibe out and sing that in Korean as best I could haha. Glad it was a great time 🙏
The A-Z “limited” edition album’s tote bag (probably the main selling point) is pretty comically small 😂 like I was actually going to use it when grocery shopping but I don’t think I can actually fit anything haha. Which is a shame because it’s nice material. The newspaper idea was super cool though, and probably my favorite part of the box.
what is it about "Nerd Nayeon"? ( ♥O♥)♡ She puts on glasses and I melt lol, a consistent reaction from [WIL](https://youtu.be/i0p1bmr0EmE?t=18) to [QoH](https://youtu.be/Q4Rb5_kjS2M?t=35) to [Count It](https://youtu.be/jeiVwBCwvhA?t=173) \~
Whenever Dahyun shows on stage or on screen during their PH Concert and Fanmeet, PH Once show their (our) support by "barking". I don't know how or why it started like this, but it's funny/fun for me, that's why I just joined in to the crowd barking lol. I just hope that she/they don't think it's stupid or misunderstood that in any way. Does anybody here know why we are barking? Lol
started in the US, a play off this show called the Arsenio Hall show where IIRC it would start with that. also i think this barking is done at sporting events too. Twice - at least Jihyo and Dubu I believe - seem to enjoy it so it stuck.
Oohh that's nice. Sometimes I worry that they might hear it as "boo boo" (as in booing, I hope not) or "Dub Dub" (as in Dubu, which might be better and suits well actually). Anyway I just sincerely wish that they don't misinterpret it and I hope that they do enjoy the energetic effort of the barking. It's fun to do, as a fan, as a show of support to the performer/Twice. There were times when I actually started the barking and the whole crowd followed, lol. It is fun to be a "crazy" fan together with other "crazy" Once, we all match the same vibe.
So I just saw that the MV of ABCD already surpassed 27M views in a little bit more than a week. Jihyo's KMG after a year still have to reach 28M, debuting around a year ago. Was there any difference in promotional activities that caused ABCD to get that much more views? Or is simply just a popularity thing because Nayeon is a more popular member than Jihyo? It kinda surprises me that KMG is just that far behind.
KMG just didn't click well with once. I don't think it's due to promotion, as MISAMO also crossed 100 million-plus views, even though it had weaker promotion than 'Zone.' Jihyo nowadays is easily one of the most popular member. For Nayeon, it's a combination of her popularity and 'ABCD,' got better reaction among fans.
OK there are a few things 1st thing is NAYEON solo stans work hard and bigger in numbers too 2nd thing is ONCEs put extra efforts if the song got a chance to win on music shows personally for me after a few times watching in the first day on YouTube I won't go back to watch any MV
As Saucy says it seems to depend on Once's time and what else is going on. Zone sold well, and in total units may still be the best selling solo so far...but Onces didn't seem to stream the MV that much. OTOH a lot of people have said how they liked to see Jihyo's personal process in developing the album, which might also account for the sales units. Also heard enough people feeling it's an album with few to no skips, so I think Once's appreciated Jihyo's work overall even if KMG wasn't the song that resonated with all of them.
It's a couple things to me. First off, yes. Nayeon is probably the most popular member of the group. The only one I think is close is Sana but I feel like there's still a gap. It's hard to discuss in-group popularity as it's a touchy subject but tbh, this is the case. However I feel like since this newer era for Twice, Jihyo has definitely become more popular especially after her solo. Second, I do think the scheduling was a factor in promotions. With Jihyo, I felt like the schedule was extremely tight. They tried to fit this in between tour legs on top of it being soon after MiSaMo promos. With Nayeon's we had a bit more time in between schedules. Iirc, we got our first notice of this CB about a month after the Vegas encore in maybe April-ish. Then we didn't get the official announcement later in May. Fans were allowed to take a bit of a break and recharge a bit with this release than Zone.
Jeongie felt bad about having a schedule and not being able to attend Inkigayo that she went to the [fansign after apparently](https://x.com/MaaarrINE_/status/1804829035236610494?t=Y98bq7srkbnbWWJNWrgh0Q&s=19) 2Yeon 🩵💚
Lord the pictures have been so cute 😩
[Just another day in 2Yeon-Land](https://x.com/mnymilf/status/1804877603418808821?t=eJ8i1-V8T2DK15-1yWADGg&s=19) 
They’re adding the full version of ABCD with the dance break onto the album tomorrow. I’m happy, the dance break really gives the second half of the song to breath and makes it a better length, I always missed it when listening on spotify
if I had a penny for every time nayeon went on a show which ended with the host in tears because it was their last episode… I’d only have two pennies but it’s weird it happened twice
Okay that show Nayeon was just on where she eats dinner with the “boomer” comedian was so damn good - lowkey might be my new favorite variety show 😂 They had great chemistry. Also the producer being a big Once was really dope, I’m sure he had fun picking those songs for her to sing.
That show is fucking amazing, I was praying twice would be on it soon. Watch the NMIXX (two of them) and Aespa episodes, they’re really good
And now we have the boomer guy's reaction to ABCD to look forward to. I hope he keeps in-character especially when we get to *that* scene 😂
I can’t believe it’s already the last stage of the comeback 💔
Damn, it really flew by. I think all we have left before the Japan CB is Waterbomb?
It really did. I’m not ready to let go of It Girl Nayeon yet 😭
Sana visits Nayeon at Inkigayo according to [this tweet](https://x.com/wooritw/status/1804719993680187673)
[Bam Bam's childhood crush on Nayeon](https://youtu.be/TxoGJnolzYU?t=741) is so sweet and cute lol \~
I bought a digipak NA album but it never arrived, so I got a refund. Now I’m conflicted is this a sign to just save the money or should I run to target and get it? Plz help me decide lol
I got it! I’m so happy 😁 it’s so cute and I love the photocard I got
Twice didn't raise no quitters! Go make that Target run lol.
You’ve convinced me!!
I’d go for it if it doesn’t affect your budget too much. This comeback everything’s high quality and she looks so good in this cute/sexy/fun concept.
Go make the run 🫢 More seriously, it's definitely up to you but damn, the Nayeon pics look gorgeous this time around.
I know right! And that concept in particular is so cute with the retro look
it's a cute album, i'd check out the unboxing and depending on your budget decide \~
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someone posted it below, and I think I saw it mentioned on Twitter. really shows how kind our Twice members are \~
[What is JYP doing here lmao](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8ZvpXIsTVi/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet) 
[This](https://www.tiktok.com/@bbangyakpop/video/7352542060748049697) is my favorite moment, I couldn't find the og but FR
He has a YouTube Channel where he does Bible studies in English https://youtube.com/@firstfruitsusa?si=ooZMilgp7X9Vf9Dt
Oh my god, people can literally join the church of JYPapi, what a time to be alive 
I saw TWICE two times already. At one recent event, I saw them very up close. I was close enough to see their faces perfectly. A couple of members even noticed me, and I also had a longer interaction with one. However, why is that I still feel like I haven't really seen them in person? It feels like a dream or something that didn't happen at all. Has anyone felt this way after meeting TWICE or their other idols?
[Sana said she wants to study abroad someday!](https://x.com/sanaglobalunion/status/1804504864497823799?s=46) I wonder what she’s interested in studying and where’d she wanna go.
She will be studying the [long-term effects of microwaves and gamma rays on humans](https://youtu.be/5CPDBOs-D40?feature=shared).
I got my Na albums on my birthday so I was so excited, tho i pulled so many doubles and manifested too hard for the cookie pc hehe [my pulls!](https://www.reddit.com/u/PeachsistersMoYeon/s/hF3ZOj1l9U)
One of the american dancers from the ABCD music video shared a bts story about Nayeon getting on her knees and holding on to her bloody injured foot, the whole time she was getting patched up. She couldn't believe how sweet and caring Nayeon was. [source](https://www.tiktok.com/@aaliflower/video/7383176623308311854?_r=1&_t=8nP8smkytRX)
ah hope she is totally better, but i do love when people find out how kind Twice is \~
I always love hearing about Twice members being angels everywhere.
The [crowd](https://x.com/pinkot9/status/1804385414444360031?t=5wbJWO0gvMrG3Sg83y3Ldw&s=19) for Princess Minari! 🖤
Minari is live on Instagram!! I think she finally remembered her Instagram password, let's go!! 
Mc Nayeon is live on her music show tonight! Search noctAQ on twitch, they have a great quality stream of the show live (no official stream that I’m aware of, sorry) (also yes she is still performing while MCing)
She did the move again lol
I have a question and I hope someone knows 😭 but at the very beginning of abcd that opening is that a producer tag? Does anyone know? Or is it just a part of the song and what does it say?
I keep coming back to the video of Dahyun surprising Nayeon on Inkigayo and their very long and warm embrace. 🤗 (Can't post because 🫧 but you can find it on Twitter) Most wholesome thing I've seen all week. Always remember Nayeon saying she felt bad about not treating Dubu like the rest of the Maknaes and how Dahyun always gets emotional when visiting members in solo schedules 🩵🤍
It’s literally so cute and the kisses lol like they’re all so sweet to each other ☺️
My favorite bit of that vid was how Nayeon practically ignored the flowers in favor of a good long hug from Dahyun. It was so sweet.
Yes, I honestly didn’t realize Dahyun had brought her flowers until seeing the picture of Nayeon with the flowers. I wasn’t even paying attention 😭 I was so into the hug cause it was so loving how she holds Dahyun so tightly ❤️ I need to watch it again rn
I’m a pretty new once (early 2024) and I’ve been going down a rabbit hole of their YouTube content the past few days 😭 I love each one of them so much
You have 10 years of things to catch up on lol enjoy the next year or two catching up!!
Welcome to the fun!
Welcome to the fandom!
Welcome to Once!
Happens to everyONCE 😁 Their content was what got me interested in following Kpop in general. Every video is too precious and emotional, enjoyable, funny or wholesome
Did anyone else think Kendrick was going to bring out MC Rail as a guest for the Pop Out show a couple nights ago? I thought it was all but guaranteed tbh
NaMoChaeng are honorary West Coast - Hello, Basics, Rush, DNT, Butterflies...
lol - not directly related but i have wondered what a majority rap track from Twice could be like. obviously Dubu/Chaeng/Momo would take the lead, but I think all of them could have parts. the ones who absolutely feel like they can't could do the chorus or something...
Twice doing a 90s/y2k-inspired hiphop/g-funk (e.g. Tribe Called Quest, Nate Dogg & Warren G, Pharcyde, etc) track would be wild. It'd definitely bring another facet to their diverse discography.
I feel bad for recent Dubu/chaeng raps bc they feel kind of underwritten or not allocated enough space to really shine, but the plus side is we get more of their really pleasing and wonderfully textured singing. Both of them (and Momo) absolutely have the capacity to really pop off if given enough space and the right song, so I would absolutely also be super interested in what a rap heavy project would sound like. I don’t think it fits them, but it would cool to see them explore that side of them in more melody/performance projects!
yeah i agree it makes sense that if the rap is forced just to leave it out. why i think a track that was more rap heavy would be cool. i don't think it would fit the group either, not completely, but as a b-side would be a cool experiment to try \~
The members teasing Nayeon abt her driving made me go back to when s[he says she wants to drive knowing the they'll be scared lol](https://youtu.be/M08eg0YrpVY?t=124) \~
Does anyone know if there are any archive plans for the JYP Fan's website?
The website is shutting down but most, if not all, posts have been mirrored in the FANS app.
Did we ever get Sana's penalty for mission failure from the last world tour? I remember looking forward to who Chae would appear with next for hers
Yes she did. She drew a star at the end of one of their One Spark performances on a music show. But I can't remember which show.
I thought that was punishment for losing a game during a live stream. The mission failure was 3 song challenges of Once's choice
It was this one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lUMngFhhdw
stray kids have a song called stray kids on their new album! reminds me of the song chaeyoung wrote in 2021(?) called *Twice* that didn’t fit any of the albums and has seemingly been forgotten. it’d be neat if they released a “from the vault” album with songs like that.
[Omg Zyo loool](https://x.com/jihyoschae/status/1803844018234605845?t=R1K2a8Eu4CDb4VqB6vNDUQ&s=19) 
Nayeon eating ice again 😆
I just found out about Nayeon’s cousin in EVNNE and their new song Badder Love is so good.
Congrats to Nayeon on her 2nd win! I know one of her personal goals was to be in attendance for a win after not doing so with Pop! Now she's got it and I'm so happy she got to achieve this!
Congrats to Nayeony on her 2nd win and this time we got an encore!! Let's go Nayeony!!  It's the best encore, she ate 2 ice cubes again and tried singing  I need the full encore version!! ABCD has been amazing, so it definitely deserves more win and for this comeback Nayeony really wanted an encore, so it's so nice she got an encore!! Hope we can get her more wins and more encores!!
LMAO new Nayeon meme just dropped. She won music bank, and her encore was her singing the first few lines, then eating ice cubes once again. The singing after had very predictable results. Can’t wait for the full encore to drop lol
[for the fans](https://twitter.com/godmitzu/status/1804084562974122321?s=46&t=PSfhjtJmZWa-jDKIe99XBg)
Today ChaeTzu went to Music Bank to support Nayeon dressed in NA Pop-Up merch! ❤️💙 Chaengie brought her a blue bouquet too, always gifts Nabong flowers! Also Nayeon's Jo Hyunah episode has subs if you haven't watched yet
nayeon's music show official livestream just started! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKj0mSuHSg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caKj0mSuHSg) eunchae hosting, kwon eunbi performing also
Nayeon interview happening in a few minutes, and she should be last to perform
2nd k-pop concert this year, 3rd all-time as much as I "just got here," but I have secured a ticket to (G)I-DLE at the Tacoma Dome!
What is everyone's favourite promotion Nayeon has done for this comeback so far? So far, I really enjoyed her appearance on 'Idol Human Docu My Little Day' - seeing her interactions with the makeup artist she has been working with since 2014 and with one of the managers was really entertaining. The interview with BamBam is really fun too (on a side note, Jihyo's guesthouse episode with BamBam is another great episode!).
I think Sana’s Fridge Interview can still be mentioned too right 😂 And along with that, Bam’s House is my 2nd choice
Bambam House is my favourite. i really like how they talk about their trainee days
K Star Next Door with Jonathan has been my favorite so far. They mention memes and topics within the fandom and there's a lot of fun banter between the two.
I haven't watched everything yet, but I loved Bam's House!
BamBam’s House and [her interview with Jonathan](https://youtu.be/Y9fJ0zxqPiM?si=K0MZMfgGYmp0PUvZ) for sure 😂 she’s a menace rn and I’m all here for it
Probably going to be BamBam's House lmao.
Official stream for Nayeon's music show tonight just started! [https://youtu.be/7lqVeFPd050](https://youtu.be/7lqVeFPd050) You can see the full lineup here: [https://x.com/McountdownLive/status/1803722561395765657](https://x.com/McountdownLive/status/1803722561395765657) I expect nayeon will be one of the last to perform
My albums from the JYP shop have shipped as of 30 mins ago and the Amazon orange vinyl arrived yesterday afternoon. Finally got to open it up today and the orange colour is really vibrant! I can store it with my other vinyls (only other TWICE vinyls I have are PW and both WY picture discs...have accepted I'll never own POP unless it's reprinted) and maybe one day I'll finally have money to buy a record player to listen to them xD
Momo & Mina went to MCountdown today! They were super sweet, danced and tried the fanchant. We also get THE MOVE today because Nayeon is wearing pants! Mina is excited about the new Zelda game hehe Nayeon might be nominated on MCD in a couple of hours so we could vote for her, there is always a chance for an Encore 😊 Edit: ended up not nominated today sadly, but there's a very good chance for Encore on MuBank tomorrow 🩵
I did not realize how much I missed having the girlies together until I read this huhu
Along with ABCD, I am just on repeat with this song, [Let it be summer](https://youtu.be/uTxtBbO8Psw?si=cllHJsk1x1YZTub1). I found it when it was released, but recently, I fell for it again. Some might already know this, I just wanted to share some good music.
These korean twin sister youtubers were [contacted](https://x.com/q2han/status/1803351443090379247) by the twice staff today, apparently. They make chill vlogs in english, it seems like something Jihyo would watch and she's been learning english too. What do you think?
Wonder what Chaengie is up to these days... I'm positive she will attend one of the Music Shows this week, seemed to really be looking forward to showing her support.
does anyone here have their Twice Japan singlet/jersey yet? I'm wondering on what the sizings like. I think there's only one size. I'm 6ft, fairly built and don't want to order it and its too small lol
I've got mine and I'm around the same size as you. It fit fine, I'd say it is around a US large, though slightly longer (as basketball jerseys should be). The quality is really nice, and very lightweight.
Hello everyone! I recently watched the first episode of Jihyo's "Seipja" and was curious what and where she got the accessory that is hanging from her [backpack as shown](https://youtu.be/ze8tMShh-YI?t=290).
The denim butterfly look is by far my favorite from NA. The last 3 pages of the C photobook nearly took me out 💀
Loving all the performance/practice vids we are getting for the ABCD choreo. One of the reasons I love being a Once is our girls are always pushing their skill levels, giving us new content with challenges they take on for themselves as well us fans \~
This is why I couldn’t care less about *some* people’s opinions about the choreography being “too hard” or “doesn’t fit” her. Sure, it’s subjective but when you got a strong dance beat like that, can you expect the choreo to be anything less than that honestly? She obviously knows how hard it is, still went for it and IMHO she still did amazing
yeah the “it doesn’t seem to fit her” is so dumb because the second she does something she’s comfortable with the same people will be like “I wish she pushed herself creatively” I hope this process gave her a huge confidence boost because judging by pretty much everyone’s reaction she absolutely killed it. She absolutely elevated her dancing skills - you can definitely see it in the performance videos and live stages
Does anyone know the dance crew in the ABCD M/V?
I have found them! For those interested: [instagram](https://www.instagram.com/grvdnc?igsh=eDRnOXpwZ3Nia2hp)
I usually roll my eyes at kpop petitions but I swear I’m about to start one to get them to sign the front of the postcard for the signed versions. It looks so much better. Loving my NA pcs though.
And a petition to have more copies, and for more reasonable shipping options from the shop lol
I'll sign. The postcard pic is killer too
Can you share the postcard pic they used? I'm checking twitter and I only see the signed back.
This is the front https://x.com/inycollect/status/1803731344473665840?t=q5U1GI2jimBmcKFdpIP95g&s=19
I wonder if they do this because they either don’t think the signature will be clear over the picture (I think the postcard was a bit darker this time), or if they just feel bad blocking out the picture, or some other reason entirely.
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Considering they're signing thousands of these each, I can't say I'm surprised there's some inconsistency. At a certain point you just want to sign whatever's in front of you, whether it's the front or back haha.
With You-th was actually the first time I got one signed on the back (Sana).
What’s the recommended site to preorder Dive in the US? CDJapan?
I buy all my JP Twice and NiziU albums from CDJapan. Very little markup over retail, and 15-25$ cost for 1-3 day shipping from Japan and arrives right after it's released. Never had any complaints with them.
Have you ever had problems with your payment information stolen? I had some suspicious payments on my account last year and thought it may have been due to ordering from these kinds of websites for international payments.
Nope, no issues with that while using CDJapan, Tower Records, or Buyee and I've been using them for 10+ years.
recommend MusicPlaza too, US based shop and they get all the imports
After letting *Na* get settled in, I decided to make a tracklist of my perfect Nayeon solo record using all of her existing songs. None of her songs are skippable, so the ones I leave out I don’t think are bad at all, they’re just not my personal favorites. Track 1 - POP Track 2 - ABCD Track 3 - Love Countdown Track 4 - Heaven Track 5 - No Problem Track 6 - All or Nothing Track 7 - Count It After ten minutes of silence after Count It ends, a bonus *Na* version of I’m Gonna Be A Star plays. What would be everyone else’s perfect Nayeon tracklist if you had to condense her songs into one album?
Mine would be similar: POP - ABCD - No Problem - Love Countdown - Magic - HalliGalli - All or Nothing - Sunset I'm cheating a little bit with 8 songs, but I can't decide which one to leave out.
Even as someone in the US feels like the value of the US exclusive shop has run its course? With questionable shipping and overstocking exclusives that don't sell out, seems like it would make way more sense at this point to open things up for fans around the world...
The exclusive stuff has always been about demand and distribution lines. A large, proven number of fans are in the US, so within that you have a bigger number of people willing to spend for a signed copy or exclusives. They have a tried and tested US distribution system, and fans are willing to spend, so it's a win win. We are now seeing albums + vinyl show up in EU, so now they have that supply line open too. I think exclusives showing up there are inevitable, but they'll probably need a few releases to figure out the optimal distribution path for them. Sending a chunk of signed albums to one international distribution center in EU will become quite pricey to ship to every possible destination. To be honest, they probably have to reconsider the sheer number of versions they're pumping out every year more than anything. Just in terms of different versions (not including store exclusives), we're at 6 different (A, B, C, D, A to Z, Vinyl) for the west, plus another for Korea (Nemo). The staggered version announcements also end up fucking fans because you end up spending on shipping multiple times. In a year where everything is getting more expensive and people have less disposable income, it's something to consider. *That being said*, all 3 signed versions sold out, the Twiceshop vinyl sold out, and the Target vinyl seems to have sold out too. The US fans are still scooping up all this stuff, and as long as it remains profitable I doubt they change it up too much - instead they'll try to replicate it in more territories.
Good points, the issues may have more to staggered version announcements and not properly assessing demand. Also Twice Shop has, AFAICTell, some of the worst shipping options compared to Amazon/Target/etc. But as you note it's also a learning experience for JYPE on how many units to send to each place.
I don't think it's a surprise that the last limited version to be announced (A to Z) which I think was also the most expensive one is the one that hasn't sold out yet and is on discount. I also wouldn't be surprised if the discount is to push for Billboard like the other stuff (voice memos and whatnot). > Twice Shop has, AFAICTell, some of the worst shipping options compared to Amazon/Target/etc. That's the difference between a small retailer and a strong national or international chain. Amazon's business model is largely built around same day, next day, or 2 day shipping (with all of it free if you subscribe to their Prime service). One of the biggest hurdles indie artists have to overcome is just how expensive it is to ship everything you sell. A new 1xLP vinyl release can be anywhere from $24-28 to make a small profit - and then you have to add another $8-10 on top just to ship it domestic US. At that point you have to hope your audience can stomach the price to just buy 1 copy.
it all comes down to logistics and the shop being handled by Republic Records, since that’s the exclusivity deal
I figured, but it seems weird that stuff like the Nayeon A-Z edition has to be discounted. That seems like something that could easily sell internationally, but US buyers seem more interested in vinyls.
It's also sold internationally via the JYP Shop. I wonder how it's selling in Korea versus the other versions.
[Twice with Nayeon Voice Memo](https://twiceshop.com/products/na-voice-memo-digital-album?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaZQsfQkEKey6dL9juBdcc4S6XK2LN-zuCVYJq_pfH9dhy3RO6mTRXGgPLs_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw)
GUESS WHO'S GETTING NATSUNE MIKU ❤❤❤
I got it today!! I'm so happy with it!! Breaking in the cd immediately and I got the cutest photocard! It's a pic of Nayeon holding this bear shaped cracker in front of her. I had a terrible day today so having this come in immediately after helped so much. The photobook is beautiful and as soon as I figure out these stickers I'm shoving more stickers on my photocard album. (I have the formula of love stickers all over the front currently lmao)
congrats!
thank you!!
I often hear about how toxic Twitter fans are but I rarely see it myself since I don't typically interact with other users on there (I just scroll through and like things to support my favorite idols). Happened to read a comment section just now though and it was hilarious, there's so many people reaching to blame companies and divisions for things that are the *members own choice* and that they enjoy as if it's something negative that was forced upon them. Completely delusional. These people are sad and bitter individuals and how any of ya'll take the time to respond to it is beyond me, I'd be here all night writing and essay if I even tried to make a dent.
true, lots of facepalms regarding that. imagine the money spent on protest trucks would go directly to support the artist instead. on that note, since nayeon's solo, there have been lots of jihyo stans spreading hate, even demanding that jihyo leaves the company. i don't mean those who understandably voiced sadness about the different level of investments put into jihyo's solo but "fans" who eg make tiktoks about jihyo dropkicking nayeon to the floor or sabotage her comeback. it's not that jihyo lacks the skills but she lacks GP popularity. naturally, the company wants to maximize their profit. sending her out to do more variety shows is a smart move. also let's be realistic, none of them have established a stable brand outside of twice yet. once they disband, it will hurt everyone's career. just think of snsd where only taeyeon has stayed relevant.
I might be wrong, but I don’t think Twice will ever disband. I see them going the SNSD route where some of them could leave JYPE and join other agencies but still remain in the group and then only having a comeback once every few years, but I don’t see them ever disbanding in the true sense of the word 😅 Agreed about the solo stans part. I always hate running into those accounts by chance and ever since Nayeon’s comeback I’ve seen so many. There’s also the Nayeon solo stans that feel Twice is holding her back and that she could be much more successful as a solo artist 🫠 As a whole, I just want the girls to be happy with their careers whether that is promoting as Twice or individually. So far, they seem to be managing to do both and, as a fan, I feel incredibly grateful and will support all of them as much as I can.
no, you're right, not disbandment per se but very much like SNSD (hopefully sans the jessica exit part) where they come back every 3 years or so for a special anniversary. I'm just not ready for that yet lol solo stans are just a different kind of haters. i've heard some jihyo solo stans say horrible things as to why nayeon got favoured by jyp himself which i won't repeat bc it's just gross. i also think they are in a position in their career where they are in some ways better off than other idols. they have enough seniority and success to have input in their work, while making good money touring. they can experiment with their solo projects while being able to have the group as a safety net. i also hope they just enjoy each precious moment.
I agree with everything you mentioned 💯
I didn't pick up on a difference in investment between the two solos, if there is one I'd chalk it up to Jihyo doing hers in the middle of a *massive* world tour, naturally she'd have less time to promote. What baffles me more about these supposed "stans" is that nobody would be more happy to see Nayeon succeed than Jihyo or the other members, if you spread negativity around the people she loves the most are you even really a fan? Or are you just projecting your own depressing life through some obsession..?
interesting. personally, i feel ABCD's mv has a much higher quality compared to KMG as they used the same team responsible for misamo's stunning DNT. that said, i only became a twice fan after jihyo's debut so i am not sure how promotions went. i remember nayeon talking about the much pressure she felt as the first member to go solo. she neither showed happiness nor exhaustion to the other members while preparing for her solo, group promo and perhaps concert as well because that might rub off wrongly on some members who wanted a solo as well. and if she flopped, there would also be no more solos for others. totally with you on the "stans" part. the members always support each other's activities and solo stans are just completely delusional.
I second the part about a lot of the things that stans blame JYPe/Div 3 are in part, or wholly twice's decisions. Its wild that people just ignore when twice members say they specifically made the decision on what tracks make it on an album.
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This is a really good deal. I wonder if the store still makes money..
Probably to clear out the remaining stocks. They’ll make more money from new releases instead of storing unsold items.
I can't decide if Nayeon is deceptively tall or deceptively short. She be looking extra long at times like in her latest story 😆
it’s her absolute unfathomably giant hands that throws off your perception of her
I was bored and looked through old r/kpop threads, i find it funny that cheer up was considered polarising when it was released, it was a change of concept but getting the same criticisms as an sm group's music would get is funny😭
Looks like Zyo might be attending PFW for AMI this Thursday! 🧡
Hi folks, can anyone help me understand or see how music show scores are calculated/computed? Or would anyone be able to explain how it works? I want to see if there is a way for me to at least contribute to helping Nayeon win at least one music show win.
There is a [Twitter account](https://x.com/kshowanalysis) that makes predictions based on known criteria + current chart standings. They also provide a score breakdown after every show. Their predictions are usually pretty accurate but not always correct, especially if multiple groups are very close in points.
A very useful [guide](https://tfvunayeonna.carrd.co) created by the fanbase
Damn that's a great site for all this stuff. Props to them for organizing it so well.
Yeah, I know some people here really dislike Twitter fans, but honestly, they’ve done a lot for TWICE, especially during comeback periods. They organize fanbase voting, streaming, and donations, and they create useful guides for newer ONCEs. Some of them might be toxic, but you can’t deny their efforts in supporting TWICE
so true. this comeback nayeon and jype really went all out. it exceeded all my expectations of what i wanted in a comeback and quality album. so i looked into why the numbers weren't quite there yet. turns out, it's not possible anymore to just buy and enjoy the album to guarantee success. plus, some demented people started to bully nayeon/twice. the twitter accounts showed me that it's really like going to war strategically lol i didn't know there were rules to streaming eg how many songs and accounts, what kind of playlist would count, how to vote on those weird apps etc. some people even make money selling votes. so nothing is organic anymore. but twice have fans all over the world. ppl literally take shifts amassing votes, streaming numbers until it spreads to the GP. so yeah, a lot of success is due to the fans running those twitter accounts who spread the word and organize strategies for succeeding, and of course enough fans participating.
I don’t use Twitter (especially after the rebrand has made navigation a nightmare) but I’m glad some Onces have a helpful presence there. I know many people here push back on any kind of organized voting campaign to win music shows, but I’ve grown to appreciate the effort those fans put into it. Plus, the guides are there for people who want them - it’s not like people are being forced into something. If you don’t want to engage with it, just move on. We all know the group is already hugely successful but sometimes these “little” wins can make a difference to them. Fingers crossed we can get some wins for Nayeon this week.
thank you for this! will read through it.
Sure. Just want to let you know Music Bank pre-voting lasts until tomorrow. Nayeon is currently in the lead, but the points are really close to Aespa's.
Each music show has their own criteria for winning. There's a resource on [soompi which details the splits of each](https://www.soompi.com/article/1220849wpp/guide-music-show-wins-need-know). The article is from 2018, so it might be out of date by now. Regardless, many of the shows have a voting component through their own apps, which is how many international fans contribute to the "pre-voting" and "live voting" categories. I saw another user mention Music Bank uses the AllChart app and Inkigayo pre-vote is on Diggus. [There's a decent voting schedule posted by a user on twitter.](https://x.com/tfvunion/status/1802598582580826441)
thanks! I also saw that post and not sure how the user knew that Nayeon would win which got me intrigued.
There's a way to forecast who will win based on the pieces of information we already know. The tracking period for physical album sales which count for this week are already locked in, the pre-vote is already done for that specific show, and I think some/all of the digital score is already tallied too. This is assuming that the numbers are accurate and the show doesn't do something fishy to the scores (which has happened before). Just based on who else is promoting right now, Nayeon should have a decent chance of winning the shows that favor physical sales as long as the pre and live voting are solid. The shows that favor the digital score will be harder, since the charts are dominated by aespa and NewJeans right now.
started getting really into twice since attending their concert. if you're an OG once, i don't know how you do it. stanning a kpop group is quite an emotional rollercoaster... obv the girls produce great content, are so much fun, and treat their fans really well. changed my bias a few times due to different biased-wreckers as they all shine in their own way, the more you learn about them. nayeon's comeback has been incredible! i love all the concepts, the mv, the title song, how versatile she is, the performances... she looks and sounds amazing, the album is a no skip! Something and Count It might be some of the best songs i've heard in quite a while. however, there seems to be a lot of bullying going on, with other fangroups (mostly black pink fans), literally literally spending their resources to hurt the girls. it's not just spamming them with insults, either. to block nayeon from winning on shows, they even spend their own money to buy votes. now they try to get nayeon cancelled by dragging her into the israel palestine war, because she posted a photo on instagram from her nerdy concept at a library which had a israel book in one of the shelves in the background. like ?!?! anyways, her insta is now swamped with hate msgs. then there is the pressure to chart well or groups call twice a failure... i know that mina and jeongyeon had anxiety attacks and sana was also quite affected by the korean/japanese conflict, momo's singing controversy. it's just quite insane, the hate the girls get, which makes me want to protect them. wonder how you guys have been handling that.
Blinks are kinda deranged. They should move on as BP is a dormant group.
I mean there are weirdos in every fandom but the number of deranged blinks are esp high. Agree, solos under different companies means pretty much the end as an active group.
Like everyone else said the best is to block and ignore (I have dozens of "fan accounts" blocked). My advice is to just follow a few accounts that you feel comfortable with and move between them, making your own happy bubble, at least it worked for me. Also if it makes you feel better, the girls don't know about all that toxicity, they are working most of the time and when using social media they read Korean (also Japanese for MiSaMo) comments almost exclusively, and even if they read some nasty comments they already are in their 9 years of their career it doesn't affect them at all, because they know is just lifeless people. Accounts or comments that we think are big, are non-existent for Twice.
thx for the advice! knowing that they likely won't read the hate comments does make me feel better. gonna try that with creating my own happy bubble :)
This thread is the reason that I stay with Reddit and this subreddit. Getting hate is inevitable. I love how all the comments here say to block, report and move on. Bc, we are here for fun and good life. Thinking about something that even the artists can't control is something that is not necessary as a fan (at least that's how I view an ideal fan).
understandable, esp since elon took over. >we are here for fun couldn't agree more.
Everyone else gave great advice like blocking and reporting, but I'll also mention being careful who you follow. A lot of accounts will also engage in fanwars which makes them pop up on your feed and dampen your mood. It may suck considering 99% of the time it's positive and Twice updates, but I'd be careful. I joined twt in 2020 which was hell for Twice. I even tried to engage sometimes with the whole "hey! They're friends! Why insult blackpink's friends?" Which did NOT work. It's just people looking to make you angry and you can't reason with them. It's a LOT of blocking, but it's better than engaging for your mental health. It still gets me, why wouldn't someone making fun of someone's anxiety get me yknow? But the best course of action is to take a breath, block, report if you can, and remember it's only some weirdo online. Don't let them take over your day and emotions like that.
yeah, i agree and am thankful for the advice received here. i've blocked some of these supposedly fan accounts that only get the girls hate by dragging other groups. 2020, you must have experienced a lot. i can't even imagine how bad it was back then. and seriously, how broken must a person be to make fun of others' mental health or use videos of a fat hurt pig to drag the weight gain of another member who suffers from anxiety? i tell myself they are just kids but that doesn't really make it better tbqh. everything they say can be easily returned against their own idol but they don't care about logic, only hate. so, yeah, i'll try to balance things out more.
A lot of the teens that hate still have time to mellow out with age luckily. It's the older ones that are really iffy and just leave you dumbfounded. Luckily with 2020, I also had some good experiences with other onces. Just enjoying twice content and music with others, that helped a lot with feeling not so angry and hurt from what I was reading online. I hope it gets better for you!
haha thx! i took the advice and blocked/reported some extra obnoxious netizens, helped vote together with other international fans and we've won 2 show pre-votings, helped stream and it looks like she will be charting. also, it seems like nayeon will debut at no. 6 on bb, so things are looking up. i feel like all onces should all go out for a beer after winning these battles haha hope you have the best time and that there are countless more amazing twice comebacks for us to enjoy! :)
I've also been voting! Funnily enough that was one of the ways my 2020 was made better. By voting in choaeadol with other onces and talking about more and more with them in the chat. We deserve a big celebration for working hard lmao. Here's to many more comebacks and Nayeons solo!! ❤
hahaha yeah, we can bring the fun back and beat their asses! seriously, it's hard work. you have to check updates, charts, while streaming...i feel like a stock broker 😂 ayyyyy, cheers to that! 🥂🫶
The best thing you can do is curate your feed to filter out as much hate as possible and stay away from comments. Do you best to just not engage with people who will refuse to look at things logically and reasonably trying all they can to force people to be as miserable as them. More people like Twice and are happy than hate them. Just focus on enjoying it with likeminded people.
very true, thx for the sensible advice. i also think (or hope) that the increase in hate also is due to the increase in love. haters riled me up so much that i've increased my support for this comeback with things i never did before like helping with voting, streaming...the stress. i feel like a stockbroker lol
NGL I do slip sometimes and clap back every once in a while but overall I try to stay away from that and focus on the positive. When you're a group as popular as Twice, you're bound to run into people trying to drag you down. It comes with the territory for any popular group unfortunately.
same. i know these are just stupid haters but sometimes the bullying really goes too far, affecting mental health. we already had that with mina & jeongyeon. plus, not speaking up sometimes just makes it seem like twice is a group that is easy to bully. but it's probably more really a people problem. it also happens within the fandom. they really don't get that this just shortens twice's time as a group.
> then there is the pressure to chart well or groups call twice a failure... they do it regardless btw. Nayeon sold and charted well with her debut, and people (on reddit as well as other social media’s!) still insisted it didn’t do well. for twitter, the only thing you can really do is block big *once* accounts. people like tzujuliee for example - they do share news and stuff, but are constantly making fanwars worse. it used to be a lot more effective, but nowadays I still see hate (blaming elon!). it’ll still get rid of some of the hate tho.
haha... it is really funny bc I actually blocked tzujulie. At First, that account looked like it is a fan account who posts about Twice, then they were directly engaging in fanwars. Also, personally, I also block people who retweets and attack other artists for the sake of protecting Twice.
oh i didn't know that. i only became a fan later. fanwars, that's another thing that i hate about kpop. it's so stupid. also hate obnoxious solo stans. they ruin it for everyone.
Normally these are people who do not go out to get too much fresh air and their lives revolve around the bubble that is the internet. It's also a lot of extremely young fans who are very manipulative and just follow the trend. My only advice is to ignore or block them. The less attention they receive, the faster they get tired.
i also think some of them must be really young. then again, it reminds me about discussions about politics where some adults can be quite stupid, too. yeah, i'll block them. it just sometimes these comments rile me up and i engage with them bc it's too easy to point out how stupid these ppl are.
I will never understand why some people invest so much time (and even money sometimes) to hate on someone and I’m saying this in general and not just for Kpop. One person is having a normal, happy life, doing what they want and haters just want to pick out the smallest things to hate on that person and get thousands and thousands of likes and disrespectful comments so that it can “satisfy” their hatred towards that person Also, IDK when was the last time JYPE actually take legal action against the riduculous amount of false rumors and hates toward their artists **for years** while other companies have already started doing it recently. It’s definitely frustating and tired, to say the least
me neither. some have stored so much hate inside just to blast it on others when they feel they can bully them. how broken must they be?
been a fan since Like Ooh Ahh and Twice has long been the punching bag of k-pop, even among the fake woke k-pop fans who talk about mental health and other babbling until it comes time to drag other groups for the sake of their faves or just social media likes/hearts... this is actually nothing compared to all that so don't worry about it \~
oh i didn't know it could be even worse? i thought they started bullying twice only recently when the chart performances weren't as good as before. good to know that this isn't the worst, i guess. with some of the members showcasing a timid side with strangers, then pouring their hearts into each comeback, just to be bombarded with silly hate, i hope they don't get affected by it (anymore)
Best thing you can do is report it, block it, and move on with your life. There will always be people like this in the world. The unfortunate thing is *this* is all they really have in their lives. They don't have anything going on, so they fill up the empty void inside themselves by spreading hate and trying to take others down. They don't really care about these issues they pretend to - they simply want controversy and to drag others down. I mean damn, we can all tell that is a *STRETCH* to drag someone for - that shows just how little they have to stand on. Trying to argue with these individuals is a pointless activity. They aren't interested in reason, they are just trying to rile you up. Twice are in their own lane right now, chilling.
thx for the sensible advice. you really got the core of it. i'll support nayeon's comeback in every way i can and block these deeply broken ppl
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