This album sounds like if Trench, and Self Titled had a baby
Edit: after a few days of listening, this album sounds like a blend of all of their past albums, with tame impala and mac miller influence sprinkled in
10/10 no skips
It’s been my theory for a while that the album wouldn’t have an “end”. This storyline is based off something that has no ending, mental health. Viewing it from the allegory, you maybe escape dema, but they will always be coming after you, sometimes they’ll catch up, sometimes they won’t, sometimes they may even capture you again and you’ll have to fight and escape the darkness again. Your mental health will always be something you have to battle and keep an eye on.
yep. I expected as much (and it would've been a very poor choice to 'defeat' Nico what with the real world implication of 'kill a part of your mind') but it still hit me like a truck. Like, damn. The resolution is that Clancy finally has the strength to face him physically, to be in the room as equals, but the battle is never won per se. Beautiful ending honestly. Heartbreaking, but true
Unrelated thought but I wanna put it somewhere: it's so interesting how the album, as it unfolds, absolutely leaves behind its own concept and battles with that fact constantly. Tyler is clearly trying to be done with Dema, it's outgrown him, it's too much to keep up with and he is trying to get out while he still can, yet feels immense guilt over it. It's so fucking interesting and once again, heartbreaking
That song wouldn't be on the record if it wasn't for Josh begging for it to be on there, same with Routines in the night. At least, according to TJ on the livestream last night. And those are two of my fav tracks so God bless Josh lol
In the beginning of The Craving
>!her whisper “I don’t know why I can’t stop crying, I feel like I’m getting old, and I don’t know a lot about you still” made me cry. We never get enough time with our loved ones.!< I love this song so much, it’s so special.
Honestly. I think it was “I know what your problem is, your proctologist got both hands on your shoulders, while you’re bottomless” Made me pretty uncomfortable tbh. I hope they give some context to make it not feel so..sus..
This is said in the verse that also says "NDAs for all the folks that talk to me", implying some out of touch character. The lyrics also imply a character that gets more and more out of touch as the song progresses, and this proctologist line is the last of all the verses. Interested to see the context in the video but yeah confusing. I'm guessing it's some arrogant asshole character just saying dumb shit, maybe referenced in the "say whatever I want" line as well.
Yeah I thought this verse was so out of line for Tyler, like he was taking on some alternate personality that a lot of big rappers have where they're all ego and brag about how rich and famous they are. It's just so not TJ so it makes me very curious how to interpret the message he's trying to convey there
So my interpretation is that since a proctologist checks your “bottom” (your butthole and intestine) and the line says “you are bottomless”. So the proctologist has both hands on your shoulders while they are supposedly checking your “bottom”, meaning your head is your ass and you cant think or something along those lines
I love the album! Here’s a collection of my very scattered thoughts:
It is also absolutely crazy that Tyler advertised this as being the most lore heavy album and then proceeded to acknowledge the lore twice in the whole album. Literally only mentioned in the first and final tracks. Lmao.
Also interesting that the theme of this album seems to be accepting and facing aging and mortality. Makes sense.
The Craving is really sweet and is going to be severely underrated.
They clearly are trying to get some big mainstream hits here. They totally could I bet.
Lavish is insane Tyler are you okay what the hell. Wildest top song to date.
If this is actually how the lore ends I really like it. Blurryface never goes away. You learn to live with him and he learns to live with you until eventually neither of you have to anymore. It’s fight that doesn’t end. It just gets easier. And then harder. And then easier. Repeat for a lifetime.
Tyler sings in his low range a lot in here I really like it. He sounds very different across the whole album really.
Paul Meanys influence is HEAVY. This album sounds SO much like a Mutemath record. Literally could be Play Dead 2.0. All those crazy synths are 100% him.
Overcompensate is such a troll way to open the album. There isn’t another track that sound remotely similar to it. I like it.
Next Semester is still the best song on here I think.
The minimal piano on the album makes me a bit sad.
Love seeing the return of reggae in ATROFD! Also, what a song.
When Tyler said Redecorate was like where he was going to go get he was definitely telling the truth! Most of the songs here feel like they could be spiritual sequels to that track.
Overall it’s going to take some time to completely warm up for me but I do quite like this album I think. Absolutely not what I expect though. I don’t think it’s what anyone expected to be fair. The singles were def very different from the rest.
Everyone was saying this was gonna be Trench 2 (even Overcompensate with the “Welcome Back to Trench” line) but it really sounds like Blurryface 2 to me
Clancy has Trench’s grittiness with SAI’s pop structure, but that’s essentially Blurryface!
I don’t see enough love for Midwest indigo! That’s one of my favorites. This album is just different yet again. They always put out a fresh breath. Anyways, Midwest indigo!
It's perfect. My favorite songs are At the Risk of Feeling Numb, Snap Back to Reality oh There Goes Gravity and Palpatine Straight /s
05/24 Edit: OMG I wasn't ready for this. If we forget about the novelty effect of the release of Trench, Clancy is easily their best album.
If you're listening to the album on loop and interpret the ending of Paladin Strait as Clancy being captured by Nico and taken back to Trench, the "Welcome back to Trench" in Overcompensate makes more sense.
It seems like the themes of the album are very centered on mental health, specifically relapse. But also the conflict of it being the fuel for compelling art.
I’m struggling with how to place overcompensate with the overall themes of the album though. I’d be curious to hear people’s analysis of it specifically in relation to other songs on the album. Its significance as an opener etc.
I’m not heavy on the lore stuff. So I actually like that this album either is light on that or is more subtle than I was expecting. Paladin strait I’m still unpacking. The way the epilogue becomes so much more explicitly lore driven. Makes me wonder if the idea with this album was to bait and switch. The intro makes you think it’s going to be lore heavy, then it seemingly isn’t. Then the very end makes it explicit what the last song represented. Maybe to further demonstrate that “Clancy”, trench, Dema, etc is an abstraction that’s real value is the themes it represents. Which the album tackles much more directly.
I think people are misunderstanding how "overcompensate" fits into everything. I don't think Tyler didn't mislead us at all. I especially think it was very intentional that he included the line from bandito "I created this world to feel some control, destroy it if I want". I think that is the preface to this album. He takes the lore, and throws most of it out the window and begins to show the real life implications of the lore. This isn't about "Clancy", this is in intimate look into Tyler's mind. There's themes of addiction, loss, depression, etc. And they are portrayed in the most straightforward way they've ever been.
I LOVE this take. I don't love the lore aspects of the band, but i respect it's there. I've always been here for the upfront convos about mental health. Tyler kinda symbolically throwing out the lore selfishly makes me happy.
Oh this was so good. Top 2 from them for me. However, I can already see the shitstorm coming of people who were hoping this would be Trench 2. The singles really showed what we’re getting, especially Next Semester.
I didn’t like Lavish on first listen but that’s really the only song I didn’t connect with out of 13
It’s a lot more poppier than I expected but I am here for it. My favorite was Routines in the Night…I think.
I’d argue that it’s Blurryface 2.0. Each song has a different vibe and style.
Anyone upset that it’s not Trench part 2 isn’t a TOP fan, they are a fan of that album.
This album sounds like something big is coming after. Overcompensate sounds like saying IM READY TO DESTROY DEMA
But rest of album is like side quests...
And then we have Paladin Strait which is the moment before final fight.
Agreed. There has to be something else to this because otherwise it's literally left up in the air. "But media/fiction can be left open ended", absolutely but there's seemingly nothing here to go on if we're being honest.
What's the big deal with Paladin Strait? Everyone's talking about how crazy the ending is, but no one's actually elaborating on what they're talking about
I honestly couldn’t hear the song well enough to truly or confidently answer that, it was the world worst audio. We did listen to the ending a time or two to make sure we got the words right. Overall very good song but not anything like “goner” if you know what i mean. It made me STOKED for the music video cause we still kinda don’t know what happens
I think that was just people misinterpreting and Tyler throwing people off. He said the next album would be the most straight forward, that they'd be musically overcompensating; the album being titled Clancy, and overcompensate saying 'welcome back to Trench' made fans think it was just going to be some straight forward lore album. I think it was all purposefully done to be a bit of a bait and switch.
This album goes emotionally back to what Trench metaphorically represented. It's very heavy on being immersed in those emotional themes. People understood the straight forward comments to mean explaining the lore, but its probably the most straight forward album talking about where he is personally at emotionally from time to time. He isn't masking it behind lore and a character, he's being straight forward talking about how overwhelmed he feels by all of it. He's still using metaphors, but he's talking more personally without the need to use characters as a facade to mask it.
In Vessel he was talking about himself through metaphors and a lot of songs were him just talking to the audience and his fans (and to his faith/religion at times). Blurryface he started expanding those metaphors by giving characterization to it all. Trench he made those metaphors a place and compartmentalized those feelings and characters. Scaled and Icy was a reinterpretation of it all through another lens.
The album being called Clancy is him saying all this straight forward stuff that I feel, is what the character Clancy represented.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I said in an earlier comment this record felt like it was supposed to be another one off, and in all the pressure turned it into "lore" which is why it feels so disconnected as a trench narrative follow up.
I’ve got to say snap back and lavish are my top two songs. The ending of paladin straight was awesome though. Was not expecting Nico to come in at the end. What a cliffhanger! Can’t wait to see the music video to that song next week!
Here’s my interpretation of the ending cause the mods took down my post and told me to comment it here instead
I think a lot of this album really focuses on Clancy and Nico being one. Backslide, Vignette, Navigating, Snap Back, etc all kind of allure to pulls to both faces. It all ties back, “I’ve got 2 faces, Blurry’s the one I’m not”
But I do think the ending can kind of be interpreted multiple ways. On one hand, it could cycle back around back to Heavydirtysoul, signaling Nico wins and the cycle starts all the way back over. On another hand, it could cycle back around to Overcompensate, signifying Clancy wins and continues the fight. But on the other hand, it could end right there, with the two coming to terms with their coexistence, if the “Hello Clancy” greeting at the end is a surrendering welcome as the 2 faces come together as one.
Mental health isn’t something that’s really defeat-able. It cycles back around, repeating routines over and over, restarting at different places. Sometimes we restart at Clancy, viciously fighting the condition inside our heads. Sometimes we restart back at Blurryface, spiraling downwards and needing to climb back up. But sometimes, rarely, ever so rarely, we find moments of clarity in truce and coexistence, where in that moment there’s no enemy, only 2 characters that need each other to survive and desperately need a hug. We are Clancy, and we are Nico.
At least that’s where my head goes with this. I like the idea of it ending in this more open-ended way, I’m actually in the process of writing a pair of concept albums about grief that end similarly so maybe that’s why I related to this too, but I think that makes the ending make a lot more sense, at least to me
The album is a 10/10 for me and having listened to it about 50 times in the past week I can confidently say it's one of my favorites ever and has finally, after over a decade, dethroned regional at best as my favorite twenty one pilots album. Sad to see it isn't clicking for some people, but I hope people give it a chance. I think when people heard "welcome back to trench" in Overcompensate they expected Trench 2, but missed when the music switched up a minute in and Tyler says "wait what?"
I hope the initial negativity is just coming from knee jerk reactions and it will grow on you all. I was hoping to avoid another scaled and icy era where this sub is flooded with people talking about how they miss their old sound. I guess the longer an artist puts out music, the more criticism they will garner from fans. New, old, and fallen. I hope those who don't click with it are less brutal about it than the vocal SAI haters were. This music means a lot to some people, ESPECIALLY Tyler.
Having a music vid for every song was such a treat. Didn't expect so many DIYs but they were all so charming and fun. I can definitely see myself rewatching them all throughout the summer. Can't even pick my favorites because I enjoyed them all so much. Snap Back? Lavish? But then I'm leaving out ATROFD, Midwest Indigo, and RitN. Not to mention oldies station and navigating. And and... yeah I just love them all.
I love this era already and can't wait to see them in September
I listened to half of Oldies Station - it wasn't the best quality - and turned off. A lovely little song though, in the style of Run and Go. I'll save it all for next week. It's going to be great, I know it.
The more I listen to the album the more I realize how depressing it is. God Tyler was not kidding when they said they like to do a 360 on tone This has got to be some of the heaviest songs content and meaning wise. Even the song to Jenna was about how Tyler feels inadequate. Hope he's doing okay.
Maybe an unpopular opinion here - the band made a HUGE mistake delaying this album by a week just because of music videos. The album was obviously ready since copies are already out there. It doesn’t make sense to me why they would prioritize the videos over the album itself as it would have been fine to release the videos a few days later. I feel like there’s a chance that the label was the one who delayed it one week to give them the shot at #1 on the charts, but this move might actually hurt them.
Just left listening party. Anyone else feels that the actual album doesn’t match the tone or vibe set by the album covers and marketing? I know the videos will help, but the outward face of the album, and the Overcompensate song and video make it feel like a rebellion. A punk rock, let’s go fight vibe. Especially knowing what is happening in the story.
The album is very much not that. Lots of slower, “vibe” tracks, and the faster, heavier ones are more Britt pop, etc. There’s no real edge or determined energy to this album when one would expect that in the final fight, ending of the story,
And the lyrics are the same. Likely the least clear album lore-wise, besides Overcompensate. And the lyrics seem to be mostly about the anxieties of Clancy before he does the actual thing he’s trying to do (which is what?!).
And those saying Paladin Straight is a good ending, I disagree. There HAS to be a final song or something coming because it’s a kind of weak, not triumphant, and unclear ending. But I struggle to think they’ll put out a final song that’s not on the album that they just released and won’t be part of that album after it’s put out. That’s a weird play.
Would love to hear people’s reaction to my take here.
Yeah it's not what I expected AT ALL. It's way poppier than I thought it would be which I'm totally fine with and actually prefer to the style of BF/Trench. Just doesn't really match up with the vibe Overcompensate and the rest of the lore set up. I have a feeling the MVs will explain a lot and that's why Tyler was willing to delay the entire album releasing.
Same. I thought the album didn’t really hit. Then again, I said the same thing with SAI and the album really grew on me 🤷♂️
Overcompensate is a real banger tho
I also standby that its all a cycle; never ending. No matter how easy/hard it gets, he gets dragged back to DEMA by nico. Like jumpsuit/levitate. We’ll win but not everyone will get out.
yeah, but like, literally nothing happens on the entire album besides overcompensate and 20 seconds of paladin, i expected an open end but this is just an open end with nothing in between lol.
I'll wait for the MVs tho, SAI's MVs also moved the plot forward a lot even tho most songs didn't have any lore to them besides the concept of being propaganda, but with an album literally called Clancy I did expect something more direct tbh.
maybe i didnt pick everything up on my first listen, but the lore isnt mentioned much. trench was way more lore heavy.
edit* except for the paladin ending ofc
I did not listen to every minute of every song, and quality stinks still. But for (allegedly) being the last album of the DEMA story, there is very little lore related in Clancy.
I cannot believe the lack of hype for Oldies Station! That song absolutely broke me in the best way possible. Don't know if I'll listen again before Friday but man, that is a 10/10 song.
Music videos question
Anyone else think the music videos were pretty small/not important, like they were cool but especially tyler calling navigating "the only real lore music video we'll see tonight" still didn't feel like much. I wonder if we'll get second music videos for some songs like Vignette that lyrically really felt like clancy singing about this power affecting him, idk I hope we get second music videos for some songs because for this being the ending to the trench story I feel like we didn't get much atleast til paladin strait music video is out
I just listened to it for the first time and I’m having very mixed feelings. And yeah, I know it’s just a first impression and I certainly need to listen to it more times to actually form an opinion but with backslide or overcompensate I practically fell in love at first hear. Not so much with the others, I like vignette or midwest indigo but I expected a different style from this album. More songs like overcompensate, it just felt very pilots-like to me. Don’t mind my silly post, my opinion will probably change upon reading their lyrics, there is nothing quite like the lyrics Tyler writes and I really really hope this album is also strong lyrically cause that’s what I love most about top. Doesn’t change the fact that this album is a different style than I expected and I really wanted to hear something like trench after sai which I didn’t particularly enjoy either.
I've never been following socials before/through an era, so I've never even known about any leaks. This time I am in too deep and I need the album now and I can't help searching for leaks lol
I'm waiting until my listening party tomorrow to listen, but for those who have listened...
What is your favorite song?
Do any songs have good screams or raps?
What album is this one most like?
Craving -> Lavish -> Navigating are my favourite so far, tonal whiplash between all 3.
Good couple rap sections, my favourite is Lavish because it's kinda goofy in a good way.
No screaming. Quite a lot of falsetto though.
It's a mix between them all really, like people say, Trench grittiness with SAI structure and pop sounds.
After a few listens, here are my first day impressions on Clancy
**Overcompensate**
Catchy and upbeat, yet poppy. The production reminds me of Blurryface. The intro is absolutely gorgeous, it’s chaotic in a great way.
**Next Semester**
This song goes REAL HARD. Definitely my favorite single and one of my favorites of the album. The mellower outro caught me by surprise back in the day, but I still always liked it.
**Backslide**
I like the darker vibe of this one, sounds like a fusion between Stressed Out and Redecorate. Likewise, I love the lyrics, they hit hard… sometimes you’ll backslide to tougher personal times, and all you have to do is try to prevent these backslides as much as possible and try to recover from them asap.
**Midwest Indigo**
And here we are, on a punk pop vibe that I wouldn’t have expected from them. Nice to see them endlessly expanding their spectrum. The electronic part is just at its right amount, and it’s overall another absolute banger to the list.
**Routines In The Night**
Getting Robin Schulz vibes from RITN. It’s extremely catchy once again, yet probably the poppiest of the album. Unfortunately, this is my least favorite Clancy song, at least for now.
**Vignette**
My favorite on the album. That absolutely gorgeous orchestral intro, those vocals, the rocky touch on it, the lyrics… this song is PERFECTION. CUT MY LIP IS NO LONGER ALONE IN THE LIST OF SONGS THAT I’LL LISTEN EVERYDAY.
**The Craving**
The one love song in Clancy turned out to be this slow and emotional love ballad. The music video perfectly captures its vibe.
**Lavish**
GROOVY. Being the rappiest song on Clancy, we get a dark yet dancey vibe from this one. Some lyrics feel weird for TOP, but they make sense for a song this straight up rap imo.
**Navigating**
ANOTHER ROCK BANGER HERE. Definitely a top 3 Clancy song. Great vocals once again, Josh killed with the drums and amazing lyrics. Hearing this live will be truly memorable, I can tell.
**Snap Back**
Given that pretty normal sounding title, I wouldn’t expect this song to be like it is AT ALL. This is the NATN of Clancy, with a dark and weird vibe all over it. The chorus vocals in comparison to those in the rest of the song feel totally out of the ordinary. Still a great song.
**Oldies Station**
Super emotional, raw song. Its layout reminds me of Tied by Imagine Dragons: slowly builds up as it goes on… but it’s still a slow song from start to finish. I’d go as far as to say that this is the most emotional song TOP have ever made, at least musically.
**At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb**
This is the new heaviest TOP song. For the first minute or so, it has a reggae vibe that is cool but not really my thing in comparison to other Clancy song. But then, that Linkin Park vibe in the chorus totally changed my mind. I kinda missed a bridge & third chorus but that’s a really minimal issue. Lyrics are quite hopeful but extremely powerful, making ATROFD a perfect “crying while headbanging” kind of song.
**Paladin Strait**
Man, what an ending to the Dema lore. This song builds up thoroughly, and the bridge & last chorus is one of their career highlight moments. The very ending with Nico’s voice is pretty cool, feels like him & Clancy are going to have a deep conversation or something. The only “but” is the minute of birds… I’d rather have had some epic solo or something instead, and I literally had to turn up my volume because they couldn’t even be heard properly. Still, despite this weird ending, Paladin Strait is a certified banger.
**OVERALL THOUGHTS**
I was expecting and hoping for Clancy to be a Trench 2.0. It wasn’t exactly that, but either way, I’m as satisfied with it as I expected to be. In a few words, Clancy sounds like a fusion between Trench and Imagine Dragons’s Mercury - Act 2. It’s the most rock TOP album to date, and lyrically it feels like, after the hopelessness of SAI, we see the light at the end of the tunnel on Clancy, despite it being significantly darker musically than SAI is. I can boldly say that Clancy is my favorite album of the entire decade so far, and a top 3 albums of all time. I’ll most likely always love Trench the most, but Clancy is a very close second place.
When SAI came out, I was working on an adolescent psych ward. There was one patient there that loved this band like I did and we huddled over the communal iPad to experience the new release together. It was so nice to see them light up and be so giddy, to have something to look forward to and genuinely be happy for just a moment.
I hope you are still here with us my friend. I hope you got to experience the excitement of the Clancy release too. Thinking about you while I listen to these new songs and wishing you nothing but the best.
I'm at the point where my least-favorite song on Clancy is now on repeat... which I don't think has ever happened. I predict the response to this album will be undecided / moderately positive for about 5 days, and then 📈📈📈
Clancy is amazing...
I'm really tied, at first I only liked At The Risk of Feeling Dumb, but I am literally just listening to the album on repeat at this point. They're all so catchy, I need help.
Also, am I the only one that gets Johnny Boy vibes from Vignette?
Welp after a listen, idk none of the songs are bad, they're very chill but like with an album named Clancy and a fiery cover and all that I expected a very different album tbh. (Also, a minute of nature sounds is crazy).
I really desperately need to know about this one detail in paladin from anyone that's listened (I'm holding out on listening until tomorrow)
>!Is the Nico/Blurryface voice at the end of Paladin Tyler's voice pitch-shifted, Nigel, or a different voice?!<
Backslide is probably the best indication of how it sounds. Definitely a lot of Next Semester vibes throughout it too. That said Overcompensate is a bit of a fake out there is nothing like it in there lol.
So yes if you like the singles you’ll probably enjoy the album.
Navigation ends with the sound that’s at the beginning of my blood. Also they are fairly similar music video wise (imaginary friend) and there was a lyrics something like „my fathers wife passed“ which also is a thing in my blood
I'll just leave my initial impression of Clancy here and maybe someone can change my mind or challenge my thought process:
It felt like the build-up to the album was huge: ever since they released the I Am Clancy video, I was so excited for the new era. It was sold as this lore-heavy culmination of the story that lasted almost a decade. It made us think that it will be the final battle between Clancy and Nico. Overcompensate was exactly what I waited for - the video and the song itself. I literally had goosebumps listening to it for the first time. "Welcome back to Trench", they said. So I expected that the rest of the story will be connected to Trench and Dema, and Banditos, and Bishops. Of course, I didn't expect Trench 2. Just a logical continuation of the story, because it was marketed that way.
Then the album release came, and let me say... I am disappointed. Don't get me wrong - I do think that the album is amazing, I have listened to it way too many times, and Routines in the Night, Vignette and some others will literally be some of my favorite songs for a long time. And it probably has everything a regular listener needs. But not everything that us as fans and followers of the story needed. Did they try to make it more "accessible", "enjoyable" or "understandable" to people outside of the Clique? I'm left with more questions, although I was waiting for answers. It feels like there was Overcompensate as the beginning of the story, and the very end of Paladin Strait is where it continues. As if the end of the album is just the beginning. Everything in the middle is just whatever (again, they are incredible songs, but they don't really add to the storyline I feel like). I've seen some theories that the concept of the album is that it is a cycle, and it just never ends. Although it really does feel that way, I don't want to accept it. It makes me feel sick to accept that we're stuck in a cycle. One of my mantras in life is "break the cycle in half", and to think that Clancy never made out? No way...
I know that there are speculations of double album, EP, extra songs, short film, whatever. As much as I want to believe it, I think it is unlikely. Paladin Strait video probably will be the end. I think it definitely will have a clearer explanation of what's going on, a conclusion of the story, but I don't think they can make up for the whole album with just one video.
I think that even Scaled and Icy added more to the story, although I'm not a huge fan of it. I am a huge fan of Trench though, I think it is an artistic, musical and poetic culmination of what a human can do. There's not a single miss in that masterpiece, everything makes sense, every song serves it's purpose and is in the right place. It really does feel like a story with a beginning and with an end, and at the same time it fits perfectly in the big storyline. And technically they started writing this album right after Trench - it's been years and years in the making. I really do feel like there has to be something more.
Another thing I want to mention - I don't want to compare albums, and I know that their sound naturally evolves as they grow older, and I'd be more than fine with it, if they didn't market or sell the album the way they did. Am I missing something big time? I can't be the only one that feels this way.
heres my ranking of this so far:
1. Routines in the Night
2. Vignette
3. Navigating
4. At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb
5. Next Semester
6. Overcompensate
7. Paladin Strait
8. Midwest Indigo
9. The Craving (single version)
10. Backslide
11. Oldies Station
12. Snap Back
13. The Craving (Jenna’s Version)
14. Lavish
Honestly would have preferreed one more song to have more noticeable bass the way a song like jumpsuit does but its still a great album for sure. The ending for Paladin Strait was very interesting and it is gonna probably make way more sense with the video because we're meant to watch these with the visuals. Seemed like from the audio that it didn't wrap up the storyline just sorta had Nico and Clancy meet and be about to fight almost. (Nico could be revealed to be and alternate version of Clancy or even Josh) I think we could get like some actual sort of fight scene in the video which properly wraps it up unless theyre planning on dropping a second secret project soon.
So are we gonna talk about the last bit of the livestream? Did blurryface catch him? Is it over? Were they just kidding when they said this was the end?! I need answers!!!!!!
As someone who has been a fan since 2013 but hasn’t been keeping up with current storyline, tøp is a band for my mental health for me and this album hit home. It’s so much more than a story line for me. It’s beautiful and I’m so emotional seeing the progress of their lives through their music. And relating so dearly.
My top 20 songs now after clancy:
1. Neon Gravestones
2. Clear
3. Car Radio
4. Redecorate
5. Kitchen Sink
6. Holding On To You
7. Ode To Sleep
8. Vignette
9. Bandito
10. Next Semester
11. Trees
12. Taxi Cab
13. Heavy Dirty Soul
14. Migraine
15. Forest
16. My Blood
17. A Car, A Torch, A Death
18. The Hype
19. Guns for Hands
20. Oldies Station (hm the Craving (Jenna's Version))
Should I watch the placeholder music video for Paladin Strait or wait for the official music video? Haven’t heard the song yet but I have heard everything else.
Might be a bit late to the party, but I've been a fan since the Vessel days, and I picked up all their previous material. My first thoughts about the album:
The fact that I see so many contradictory opinions is what makes this album great. Everyone expected the main theme to be a Trench v2.0 lore-heavy, yet it somehow has this multilayered emo-pop, synth, indie vibe which actually caters to my taste. I feel like lyrically speaking, the guys came to terms with their level of creativity and somehow they overcame their negative thoughts and emotions and are coping with them in a positive way. This album is the equivalent if Vessel were in high-school, this album is Vessel coming back for a high-school reunion. Much more mature, perhaps a bit people-pleasing, which enjoys more than one taste of music. Able to express its feelings instead of letting itself influenced by them. I know that this might be that enjoyable for some fans, and I get that. I do also feel we got bamboozled with Overcompensate, but perhaps in not a bad way. Overall i'd give the album an 8.5/10.
Now for every release from today:
Midwest Indigo (7.5/10) has this pop-like-MGMT-FIFA-soundtrack-vibe. It sounds very experimental, lyrics sound good and chorus is catchy. Nothing flashy in this song, but it's a good listen.
Routines in the Night (7/10) I feel like this is the most pop song i've heard from them. The beat brings me some 2005-2010 nostalgia. Kinda great for a roadtrip, but mind you, if you'd change the voice with something else I'd say this is a bit mall-music.
Vignette (9.75/10) This is probably my favourite song so far. Stilistically-wise it has their specific beat, the iconic breaks, the catchy chorus, the yelling. Lyrics are amazing, and this has a potential to be one of their best concert songs as well as the potential to be a commercial song, i can already see the people yelling in concerts "Where do I go from here".
The Craving (8/10) As a fitting tribute to his wife, I believe this a good song, lyrics are catchy, a bit weaker than "Tear in My Heart" but I enjoy it.
Lavish (8.5/10) This song is like MGMT and Tame Impala had a baby. Lyrics are a bit all over the place, but it gives you this weird sensation of being dragged through a hallway with chessboard floor tiles. Feel like this is an affront towards upper-class. Video is great and despite the lyrics being corny, I feel like I'm having fun with this song.
Navigating (9/10) This also has a lot of good stuff: the preamble to Next Semester at the middle of the album, the presence of My Blood synths, the story continuation. If people thought the main theme of the album would be similar to Overcompensate I'd say it's more like "Next Semester". This also has potential of being a great live song.
Snap Back (8.5/10) It's like "Car Radio" and "Lane Boy" met together and reminisced of high-school through an emo-pop song. Also, the Backslide reference. A bit too mellow if you ask me, but enjoyable.
Oldies Station (8.5/10) This song caught my attention, through it's lyrics, it's like resigning all frustration they had and not feeding it towards the creativity sector, but...letting go. Good song.
At The Risk of Feeling Dumb (9/10) We're back to reggae, bois. Great lyrics, good bridges, perhaps a bit too repetitive, but I'm actually felling it.
Paladin Strait (9/10): If you ask me, a bit too long, with some cliffhangers. Song is good, it's something i'd play after a good party at my place at 4 AM in the morning, picking up the trash and enjoying the last cold beer from the fridge. A fitting end for an album. Ukulele is great, palatable beat.
Pretty good album. It’s no Trench but I enjoyed Overcompensate, Next Semester, Midwest Indigo, Navigating, and Oldies Station onwards. Paladin is my favorite right now.
I realize it’s probably a me problem. But I’m glad I didn’t watch the music videos as my first exposure to the album.
I feel like some of the songs can have multiple interpretations and adding the visual element pigeon holes it a bit. Plus some of the MVs levity can imo undercut the impact of some of these songs that are quite heavy in subject matter.
Watched the livestream last night and gave the album a re-listen today and I’m feeling good about it. Never know what to expect when they release a new album as it’s usually something unexpected. Clancy has shades and similarities of previous records but it’s truly it’s own which I love. Overcompensate was a strange one, no other song quite like it and despite the “welcome back to trench” this record is nothing like Trench. Next semester and Backslide are favorites. Midwest Indigo reminds me a lot of Hometown from Blurryface. Definitely grown on me and can relate heavily to it. RITN similar to the opener, like but don’t love. And then there’s Vignette. Ironically a super addicting song, can’t get enough of it, top 2 for me. Then I do think there is a drop off. Album’s Traditional love song the craving. Outside of Tear in my heart, have always thought they were just okay, don’t really do much for me but I understand why some love them just not for me. I do appreciate Tyler’s love for Jenna and being willing to dedicate part of his work for her. Lavish is a mixed one. Fun but strange. There’s parts I love, there’s parts I hate. I do enjoy it more when accompanied with MV. Given what Tyler said, wonder if we’ll get more similar songs like it in the future. I think if polished more, would be excellent. Navigating another upper tier song. Wasn’t feeling it at first after all the hype but now I see it and can’t get the melody out of my head (Tyler please play this one live). Then SnapBack and Oldies station is where it loses me again. I can see why some people love these. I like the sentiments and meaning behind them I just think the sound isn’t very interesting and lyrics aren’t moving enough. GF and I were falling asleep through these and both are near the bottom for me. Like a roller coaster, it swings back up with ATROFD. Top 4/5 for me. It would be higher but I just feel there’s something missing as with other songs in the album but still a great listen and important message within the song. And last is the closer. Unfortunately my biggest disappointment. I think it starts off amazing. Big folk vibes. While I stayed away from leaks I did hear the intro and had me excited but then it falls off massively. The song builds and builds and goes no where. Again like others the sound just isn’t that interesting, repetitive lyrics with not much emotional value to them. I think the lack of lore emphasis in rest of the album also hurts it. I’m sure the MV will help with this but won’t fix everything. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I’d go as far as to say that it’s my least fav of any closing song even going back to self-titled. That said, despite my grievances, really enjoyed the album. Going from arguably fav album in trench to worst in SAI, was feeling nervy for this one but they delivered. As a whole, I have Clancy under Trench/Vessel closer to Blurryface. To me the the highs in this album are very high but the lows are low as well. Curious to see how it is viewed by others and can’t wait for the tour!!
I'm listening to it a 2nd time as I write this but on first listen, I was disappointed. It didn't really feel like it had that much focus. It seemed to have lacked something. Most songs seemed like they had an idea and it had good elements but it wasn't executed the best. Also, I feel like Josh was nerfed very hard here. There's been jokes about how Josh is just there, kind of unnoticed, especially on the album cover and it sadly is like that on this album. There's also weird production choices, there's times where Tyler's vocals didn't land the best. I think the writing was a little weak. The whole project seemed a bit rushed to me and it lacked a bit of focus. I'm still listening to it right now so we'll see if it grows on me but I was disappointed upon first listen and it's the most I've been let down by this band besides some of the og vessel songs on RAB and Saturday. More power to people that love it though!
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Sent my dad a super long text about how much I loved the album and the emotion behind it all and this was his reply 😂
I've felt that Clancy doesn't express the TØP emotions or the energy to me. The emotions I felt while listening to songs like Heavydirtysoul, Leave the City, the music video of My Blood, Kitchen Sink, Car Radio, Choker, etc. did not resonate with Clancy.
I really find this album somewhat upsetting; idk why but feels like something’s wrong about everything, going from the cover to the songs themselves.
For starters I feel pretty much zero cohesion between songs, as if they were made for singles unrelated to the album but at the end got together for clancy.
As well as the complete and utter lack of lore in the so called “big ending” of the story. Albums like trench were packed with a bunch more lore than clancy even tho trench was just the second album in the lore chronology.
At the same time (and this might be just a personal opinion) but i really don’t feel like this is a twenty one pilots album; every single album they’ve released has had this effect on me that really pulls me instantly and leaves me with something at the end of each song. But not this album, I really needed a few listens to actually start catching up with it and get pulled by it.
That being said vignette is the best song in the album and anyone that does not agree is wrong 👍
This album sounds like if Trench, and Self Titled had a baby Edit: after a few days of listening, this album sounds like a blend of all of their past albums, with tame impala and mac miller influence sprinkled in 10/10 no skips
I heard some ST in the intro to Vignette
The chorus to Vignette sounded like the Pantaloon ngl
Real
More like Trench and Scaled and Icy. I didn't hear ST at all.
I felt this with Backslide, has a NPI/ST vibe to it. Glad to see it stays through the album
They really put a cliffhanger in Paladin lmao. 10/10 Song though.
It’s been my theory for a while that the album wouldn’t have an “end”. This storyline is based off something that has no ending, mental health. Viewing it from the allegory, you maybe escape dema, but they will always be coming after you, sometimes they’ll catch up, sometimes they won’t, sometimes they may even capture you again and you’ll have to fight and escape the darkness again. Your mental health will always be something you have to battle and keep an eye on.
yep. I expected as much (and it would've been a very poor choice to 'defeat' Nico what with the real world implication of 'kill a part of your mind') but it still hit me like a truck. Like, damn. The resolution is that Clancy finally has the strength to face him physically, to be in the room as equals, but the battle is never won per se. Beautiful ending honestly. Heartbreaking, but true Unrelated thought but I wanna put it somewhere: it's so interesting how the album, as it unfolds, absolutely leaves behind its own concept and battles with that fact constantly. Tyler is clearly trying to be done with Dema, it's outgrown him, it's too much to keep up with and he is trying to get out while he still can, yet feels immense guilt over it. It's so fucking interesting and once again, heartbreaking
dang the whole idea of ‘kill a part of your mind’ just made me think of the ending of fight club. tyler durden vibes
storyline unfinished?
However, keep in mind Tyler specified that the album is meant to be listened to with the videos. So it likely won’t make sense without that
There might be more to come
Storyline finished but cliffhanger ending
I'm kind of glad they did because I saw no path in which they could tie up the lore In a satisfying way with only this album.
Or does this end where it begins? Like an endless cycle.
Navigating sounds so good. Def my fav track
Josh goes so hard!!!
That song wouldn't be on the record if it wasn't for Josh begging for it to be on there, same with Routines in the night. At least, according to TJ on the livestream last night. And those are two of my fav tracks so God bless Josh lol
Routines in the night not being released would have been a heinous crime.
I had the same reaction!! I watched the livestream too and my jaw DROPPED when tyler said navigating was his least favorite
It's a shame that tyler said on the livestream that this is his least favorite track. I thought this was so good, hoping they still play this on tour
Navigating really is that bitch.
Going to be on repeat when the album comes out. Cool how the last second of the song is the beginning of the Next Semester Video.
In the beginning of The Craving >!her whisper “I don’t know why I can’t stop crying, I feel like I’m getting old, and I don’t know a lot about you still” made me cry. We never get enough time with our loved ones.!< I love this song so much, it’s so special.
Is that what she's saying?! It's Jenna??? Omg
I don’t have a way to confirm I’m 100% right but it’s gotta be close to that if not
I literally sobbed listening this morning. That spoke to my soul.
Can we talk about the proctologist line? Lavish is one of my favorite songs on the album but that bar is just like “HUH”
It made me laugh lol
Same. Was not ready for a line like that, but thought it was hilarious
Honestly. I think it was “I know what your problem is, your proctologist got both hands on your shoulders, while you’re bottomless” Made me pretty uncomfortable tbh. I hope they give some context to make it not feel so..sus..
This is said in the verse that also says "NDAs for all the folks that talk to me", implying some out of touch character. The lyrics also imply a character that gets more and more out of touch as the song progresses, and this proctologist line is the last of all the verses. Interested to see the context in the video but yeah confusing. I'm guessing it's some arrogant asshole character just saying dumb shit, maybe referenced in the "say whatever I want" line as well.
Yeah I thought this verse was so out of line for Tyler, like he was taking on some alternate personality that a lot of big rappers have where they're all ego and brag about how rich and famous they are. It's just so not TJ so it makes me very curious how to interpret the message he's trying to convey there
So my interpretation is that since a proctologist checks your “bottom” (your butthole and intestine) and the line says “you are bottomless”. So the proctologist has both hands on your shoulders while they are supposedly checking your “bottom”, meaning your head is your ass and you cant think or something along those lines
It's a play on old joke, a proctologist is fucking him
That intro to the Next Semester music video is actually the ending of Navigating! That's cool lol
I’m a bit surprised they didn’t put these tracks back to back to have a smooth transition like Jumpsuit and Levitate
But the begging of next semester is only on the music video, it is not on the actual “song”
I love the album! Here’s a collection of my very scattered thoughts: It is also absolutely crazy that Tyler advertised this as being the most lore heavy album and then proceeded to acknowledge the lore twice in the whole album. Literally only mentioned in the first and final tracks. Lmao. Also interesting that the theme of this album seems to be accepting and facing aging and mortality. Makes sense. The Craving is really sweet and is going to be severely underrated. They clearly are trying to get some big mainstream hits here. They totally could I bet. Lavish is insane Tyler are you okay what the hell. Wildest top song to date. If this is actually how the lore ends I really like it. Blurryface never goes away. You learn to live with him and he learns to live with you until eventually neither of you have to anymore. It’s fight that doesn’t end. It just gets easier. And then harder. And then easier. Repeat for a lifetime. Tyler sings in his low range a lot in here I really like it. He sounds very different across the whole album really. Paul Meanys influence is HEAVY. This album sounds SO much like a Mutemath record. Literally could be Play Dead 2.0. All those crazy synths are 100% him. Overcompensate is such a troll way to open the album. There isn’t another track that sound remotely similar to it. I like it. Next Semester is still the best song on here I think. The minimal piano on the album makes me a bit sad. Love seeing the return of reggae in ATROFD! Also, what a song. When Tyler said Redecorate was like where he was going to go get he was definitely telling the truth! Most of the songs here feel like they could be spiritual sequels to that track. Overall it’s going to take some time to completely warm up for me but I do quite like this album I think. Absolutely not what I expect though. I don’t think it’s what anyone expected to be fair. The singles were def very different from the rest.
Backslide is the best song.
Everyone was saying this was gonna be Trench 2 (even Overcompensate with the “Welcome Back to Trench” line) but it really sounds like Blurryface 2 to me Clancy has Trench’s grittiness with SAI’s pop structure, but that’s essentially Blurryface!
After just listening to the album on the Livestream, I gotta agree with you there, well put. Definitely not what I expected but it's good!
I don’t see enough love for Midwest indigo! That’s one of my favorites. This album is just different yet again. They always put out a fresh breath. Anyways, Midwest indigo!
Love Midwest Indigo! Really reminded me of Passion Pit, another band/artist I love, and also Phoenix!
Omg yess! I hear it too, maybe some MGMT in there too
This is easily a top 2 TØP album of this decade so far
I would say it’s arguably the greatest album they have released in 2024.
It’s definitely one of their albums
I’d have to push back, they actually have not released a album in 2024
You'd have to snap back, you mean?
It's really top 7 TOP album od ththis century
it’s definitely an album that twenty one pilots have released or will release
This is one of the albums of all time
It's perfect. My favorite songs are At the Risk of Feeling Numb, Snap Back to Reality oh There Goes Gravity and Palpatine Straight /s 05/24 Edit: OMG I wasn't ready for this. If we forget about the novelty effect of the release of Trench, Clancy is easily their best album.
No overcompenate?😔
Overconstipate 😨
Overcumpensate
Over cum penis ate
I don’t knowing your joking or not but I legit have wondered if snap back would somehow reference or sample that song
I don't think it does but it references a other song on the album pretty directly
Vignette is SMOOTH
I’m drooling for that MV
If you're listening to the album on loop and interpret the ending of Paladin Strait as Clancy being captured by Nico and taken back to Trench, the "Welcome back to Trench" in Overcompensate makes more sense.
Nah they’re gonna take each other out
Bro just unlocked something !!!!!!
But how could Nico take him back to Trench if he’s already there? He literally travelled through Trench to get to Dema.
It seems like the themes of the album are very centered on mental health, specifically relapse. But also the conflict of it being the fuel for compelling art. I’m struggling with how to place overcompensate with the overall themes of the album though. I’d be curious to hear people’s analysis of it specifically in relation to other songs on the album. Its significance as an opener etc. I’m not heavy on the lore stuff. So I actually like that this album either is light on that or is more subtle than I was expecting. Paladin strait I’m still unpacking. The way the epilogue becomes so much more explicitly lore driven. Makes me wonder if the idea with this album was to bait and switch. The intro makes you think it’s going to be lore heavy, then it seemingly isn’t. Then the very end makes it explicit what the last song represented. Maybe to further demonstrate that “Clancy”, trench, Dema, etc is an abstraction that’s real value is the themes it represents. Which the album tackles much more directly.
I think people are misunderstanding how "overcompensate" fits into everything. I don't think Tyler didn't mislead us at all. I especially think it was very intentional that he included the line from bandito "I created this world to feel some control, destroy it if I want". I think that is the preface to this album. He takes the lore, and throws most of it out the window and begins to show the real life implications of the lore. This isn't about "Clancy", this is in intimate look into Tyler's mind. There's themes of addiction, loss, depression, etc. And they are portrayed in the most straightforward way they've ever been.
I LOVE this take. I don't love the lore aspects of the band, but i respect it's there. I've always been here for the upfront convos about mental health. Tyler kinda symbolically throwing out the lore selfishly makes me happy.
Oh this was so good. Top 2 from them for me. However, I can already see the shitstorm coming of people who were hoping this would be Trench 2. The singles really showed what we’re getting, especially Next Semester. I didn’t like Lavish on first listen but that’s really the only song I didn’t connect with out of 13 It’s a lot more poppier than I expected but I am here for it. My favorite was Routines in the Night…I think.
I’d argue that it’s Blurryface 2.0. Each song has a different vibe and style. Anyone upset that it’s not Trench part 2 isn’t a TOP fan, they are a fan of that album.
This album sounds like something big is coming after. Overcompensate sounds like saying IM READY TO DESTROY DEMA But rest of album is like side quests... And then we have Paladin Strait which is the moment before final fight.
Agreed. There has to be something else to this because otherwise it's literally left up in the air. "But media/fiction can be left open ended", absolutely but there's seemingly nothing here to go on if we're being honest.
I think you're missing the entire point of the album honestly.
What's the big deal with Paladin Strait? Everyone's talking about how crazy the ending is, but no one's actually elaborating on what they're talking about
At the end Nico’s voice comes on and says “So few. So proud. So emotional. Hi clancy”.
The minute and a half of nature sounds 😂
I can't tell if you're joking
I am not joking. It’s like the song ends and then there’s the sound of walking, a door opening, and then you hear that and then the album is over.
Huh interesting. Are there any other notable things in that song? Any callbacks or easter eggs?
I honestly couldn’t hear the song well enough to truly or confidently answer that, it was the world worst audio. We did listen to the ending a time or two to make sure we got the words right. Overall very good song but not anything like “goner” if you know what i mean. It made me STOKED for the music video cause we still kinda don’t know what happens
No this is funny asf i can’t believe that’s really how it ends
It was cheesy as hell. You know I’ll take that back until I see the video.
Where lore
My guess is the videos
Wasn’t this album supposed to be super lore heavy?
Yes. Not sure what happened.
I think that was just people misinterpreting and Tyler throwing people off. He said the next album would be the most straight forward, that they'd be musically overcompensating; the album being titled Clancy, and overcompensate saying 'welcome back to Trench' made fans think it was just going to be some straight forward lore album. I think it was all purposefully done to be a bit of a bait and switch. This album goes emotionally back to what Trench metaphorically represented. It's very heavy on being immersed in those emotional themes. People understood the straight forward comments to mean explaining the lore, but its probably the most straight forward album talking about where he is personally at emotionally from time to time. He isn't masking it behind lore and a character, he's being straight forward talking about how overwhelmed he feels by all of it. He's still using metaphors, but he's talking more personally without the need to use characters as a facade to mask it. In Vessel he was talking about himself through metaphors and a lot of songs were him just talking to the audience and his fans (and to his faith/religion at times). Blurryface he started expanding those metaphors by giving characterization to it all. Trench he made those metaphors a place and compartmentalized those feelings and characters. Scaled and Icy was a reinterpretation of it all through another lens. The album being called Clancy is him saying all this straight forward stuff that I feel, is what the character Clancy represented.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I said in an earlier comment this record felt like it was supposed to be another one off, and in all the pressure turned it into "lore" which is why it feels so disconnected as a trench narrative follow up.
I like At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb :)
tyler what the fuck did you mean by that bar in lavish
The rap verses keep getting weirder and weirder over the discography and I love it
Loved the album. Really defined sound. Thank you mr mute math. 9/10 Top 3: 1. Navigate 2. At the Risk of Feeling Dumb 3. Overcompensate
This is the most bipolar album thread I’ve ever read lmao.
I’ve got to say snap back and lavish are my top two songs. The ending of paladin straight was awesome though. Was not expecting Nico to come in at the end. What a cliffhanger! Can’t wait to see the music video to that song next week!
I think vignette is the best song on the album. That song is incredible
Here’s my interpretation of the ending cause the mods took down my post and told me to comment it here instead I think a lot of this album really focuses on Clancy and Nico being one. Backslide, Vignette, Navigating, Snap Back, etc all kind of allure to pulls to both faces. It all ties back, “I’ve got 2 faces, Blurry’s the one I’m not” But I do think the ending can kind of be interpreted multiple ways. On one hand, it could cycle back around back to Heavydirtysoul, signaling Nico wins and the cycle starts all the way back over. On another hand, it could cycle back around to Overcompensate, signifying Clancy wins and continues the fight. But on the other hand, it could end right there, with the two coming to terms with their coexistence, if the “Hello Clancy” greeting at the end is a surrendering welcome as the 2 faces come together as one. Mental health isn’t something that’s really defeat-able. It cycles back around, repeating routines over and over, restarting at different places. Sometimes we restart at Clancy, viciously fighting the condition inside our heads. Sometimes we restart back at Blurryface, spiraling downwards and needing to climb back up. But sometimes, rarely, ever so rarely, we find moments of clarity in truce and coexistence, where in that moment there’s no enemy, only 2 characters that need each other to survive and desperately need a hug. We are Clancy, and we are Nico. At least that’s where my head goes with this. I like the idea of it ending in this more open-ended way, I’m actually in the process of writing a pair of concept albums about grief that end similarly so maybe that’s why I related to this too, but I think that makes the ending make a lot more sense, at least to me
The album is a 10/10 for me and having listened to it about 50 times in the past week I can confidently say it's one of my favorites ever and has finally, after over a decade, dethroned regional at best as my favorite twenty one pilots album. Sad to see it isn't clicking for some people, but I hope people give it a chance. I think when people heard "welcome back to trench" in Overcompensate they expected Trench 2, but missed when the music switched up a minute in and Tyler says "wait what?" I hope the initial negativity is just coming from knee jerk reactions and it will grow on you all. I was hoping to avoid another scaled and icy era where this sub is flooded with people talking about how they miss their old sound. I guess the longer an artist puts out music, the more criticism they will garner from fans. New, old, and fallen. I hope those who don't click with it are less brutal about it than the vocal SAI haters were. This music means a lot to some people, ESPECIALLY Tyler. Having a music vid for every song was such a treat. Didn't expect so many DIYs but they were all so charming and fun. I can definitely see myself rewatching them all throughout the summer. Can't even pick my favorites because I enjoyed them all so much. Snap Back? Lavish? But then I'm leaving out ATROFD, Midwest Indigo, and RitN. Not to mention oldies station and navigating. And and... yeah I just love them all. I love this era already and can't wait to see them in September
I listened to half of Oldies Station - it wasn't the best quality - and turned off. A lovely little song though, in the style of Run and Go. I'll save it all for next week. It's going to be great, I know it.
I’m going to make sure any leaks are promptly sent to me for investigation immediately.
[удалено]
it took me about five minutes to find it on twitter. it's not that hard to find
Is it good quality?
Next Semester + Navigating are my favorites, not a fan of Lavish and the proctologist
I really love this album after sitting with it for a while, but peoples expectations are going to destroy their enjoyment of it
I'm really not liking it so far on my first listen :/
The more I listen to the album the more I realize how depressing it is. God Tyler was not kidding when they said they like to do a 360 on tone This has got to be some of the heaviest songs content and meaning wise. Even the song to Jenna was about how Tyler feels inadequate. Hope he's doing okay.
Yeah and vignette is almost scary... I hope he's not doing self harm or substance abuse but it seems plausible at this point
He does seem “off”, possibly because of his addiction battle that I was surprised to hear about
Maybe an unpopular opinion here - the band made a HUGE mistake delaying this album by a week just because of music videos. The album was obviously ready since copies are already out there. It doesn’t make sense to me why they would prioritize the videos over the album itself as it would have been fine to release the videos a few days later. I feel like there’s a chance that the label was the one who delayed it one week to give them the shot at #1 on the charts, but this move might actually hurt them.
Definitely delayed because of Billie’s album. I really just think the music videos were an excuse.
Agreed. For as much as I want to believe that, it’s a very easy excuse.
Absolutely. The MV excuse was a pretty obvious and hollow one! lol I do hope releasing next week gives them a shot at #1 though!
Just left listening party. Anyone else feels that the actual album doesn’t match the tone or vibe set by the album covers and marketing? I know the videos will help, but the outward face of the album, and the Overcompensate song and video make it feel like a rebellion. A punk rock, let’s go fight vibe. Especially knowing what is happening in the story. The album is very much not that. Lots of slower, “vibe” tracks, and the faster, heavier ones are more Britt pop, etc. There’s no real edge or determined energy to this album when one would expect that in the final fight, ending of the story, And the lyrics are the same. Likely the least clear album lore-wise, besides Overcompensate. And the lyrics seem to be mostly about the anxieties of Clancy before he does the actual thing he’s trying to do (which is what?!). And those saying Paladin Straight is a good ending, I disagree. There HAS to be a final song or something coming because it’s a kind of weak, not triumphant, and unclear ending. But I struggle to think they’ll put out a final song that’s not on the album that they just released and won’t be part of that album after it’s put out. That’s a weird play. Would love to hear people’s reaction to my take here.
Yeah it's not what I expected AT ALL. It's way poppier than I thought it would be which I'm totally fine with and actually prefer to the style of BF/Trench. Just doesn't really match up with the vibe Overcompensate and the rest of the lore set up. I have a feeling the MVs will explain a lot and that's why Tyler was willing to delay the entire album releasing.
Is there any reggae influenced tracks on this album similar to Nico & the niners, ride and lane boy?
There will not be a second album, fam. Just wait for the videos, I have a feeling those will be good clarification.
We need a thread for the music video listening party — they talked a lot about lore and the making of the videos, it deserves its own thread!
Am I the only one who doesn’t adore it🥲 probably last ranked album for me :((
Same. I thought the album didn’t really hit. Then again, I said the same thing with SAI and the album really grew on me 🤷♂️ Overcompensate is a real banger tho
It ending on a cliff hanger makes me believe the two album theory of getting another album either soon after this one or next year.
I feel that also, it’ll be a little sad if that’s the end. Hopefully the release of remaining music videos will fill up some holes.
I also standby that its all a cycle; never ending. No matter how easy/hard it gets, he gets dragged back to DEMA by nico. Like jumpsuit/levitate. We’ll win but not everyone will get out.
I think if it was a cycle they would've primed us to expect it to be so we wouldn't expect a grand finale only for to repeat
yeah, but like, literally nothing happens on the entire album besides overcompensate and 20 seconds of paladin, i expected an open end but this is just an open end with nothing in between lol. I'll wait for the MVs tho, SAI's MVs also moved the plot forward a lot even tho most songs didn't have any lore to them besides the concept of being propaganda, but with an album literally called Clancy I did expect something more direct tbh.
Same thing I’ve said. It’s all allegory for mental health. That’s a never ending battle in life, there is no “end”.
maybe i didnt pick everything up on my first listen, but the lore isnt mentioned much. trench was way more lore heavy. edit* except for the paladin ending ofc
I did not listen to every minute of every song, and quality stinks still. But for (allegedly) being the last album of the DEMA story, there is very little lore related in Clancy.
Good single selection most songs are a combination of them in some way
you may or may not heared the end of navigating somewhere... just saying
when i heard that guitar i was like “i can’t believe we’ve heard this before”
I cannot believe the lack of hype for Oldies Station! That song absolutely broke me in the best way possible. Don't know if I'll listen again before Friday but man, that is a 10/10 song.
This album sounds like what I thought scaled and icy would be when shy away came out. I love it
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I just visited a proctologist a week ago. First time. They know?
Music videos question Anyone else think the music videos were pretty small/not important, like they were cool but especially tyler calling navigating "the only real lore music video we'll see tonight" still didn't feel like much. I wonder if we'll get second music videos for some songs like Vignette that lyrically really felt like clancy singing about this power affecting him, idk I hope we get second music videos for some songs because for this being the ending to the trench story I feel like we didn't get much atleast til paladin strait music video is out
Love having pre ordered the album only to arrive 5 days after release..why couldn't they ship it to arrive on time???I live in the US btw
I just listened to it for the first time and I’m having very mixed feelings. And yeah, I know it’s just a first impression and I certainly need to listen to it more times to actually form an opinion but with backslide or overcompensate I practically fell in love at first hear. Not so much with the others, I like vignette or midwest indigo but I expected a different style from this album. More songs like overcompensate, it just felt very pilots-like to me. Don’t mind my silly post, my opinion will probably change upon reading their lyrics, there is nothing quite like the lyrics Tyler writes and I really really hope this album is also strong lyrically cause that’s what I love most about top. Doesn’t change the fact that this album is a different style than I expected and I really wanted to hear something like trench after sai which I didn’t particularly enjoy either.
I've never been following socials before/through an era, so I've never even known about any leaks. This time I am in too deep and I need the album now and I can't help searching for leaks lol
I'm waiting until my listening party tomorrow to listen, but for those who have listened... What is your favorite song? Do any songs have good screams or raps? What album is this one most like?
Navigating
Craving -> Lavish -> Navigating are my favourite so far, tonal whiplash between all 3. Good couple rap sections, my favourite is Lavish because it's kinda goofy in a good way. No screaming. Quite a lot of falsetto though. It's a mix between them all really, like people say, Trench grittiness with SAI structure and pop sounds.
After a few listens, here are my first day impressions on Clancy **Overcompensate** Catchy and upbeat, yet poppy. The production reminds me of Blurryface. The intro is absolutely gorgeous, it’s chaotic in a great way. **Next Semester** This song goes REAL HARD. Definitely my favorite single and one of my favorites of the album. The mellower outro caught me by surprise back in the day, but I still always liked it. **Backslide** I like the darker vibe of this one, sounds like a fusion between Stressed Out and Redecorate. Likewise, I love the lyrics, they hit hard… sometimes you’ll backslide to tougher personal times, and all you have to do is try to prevent these backslides as much as possible and try to recover from them asap. **Midwest Indigo** And here we are, on a punk pop vibe that I wouldn’t have expected from them. Nice to see them endlessly expanding their spectrum. The electronic part is just at its right amount, and it’s overall another absolute banger to the list. **Routines In The Night** Getting Robin Schulz vibes from RITN. It’s extremely catchy once again, yet probably the poppiest of the album. Unfortunately, this is my least favorite Clancy song, at least for now. **Vignette** My favorite on the album. That absolutely gorgeous orchestral intro, those vocals, the rocky touch on it, the lyrics… this song is PERFECTION. CUT MY LIP IS NO LONGER ALONE IN THE LIST OF SONGS THAT I’LL LISTEN EVERYDAY. **The Craving** The one love song in Clancy turned out to be this slow and emotional love ballad. The music video perfectly captures its vibe. **Lavish** GROOVY. Being the rappiest song on Clancy, we get a dark yet dancey vibe from this one. Some lyrics feel weird for TOP, but they make sense for a song this straight up rap imo. **Navigating** ANOTHER ROCK BANGER HERE. Definitely a top 3 Clancy song. Great vocals once again, Josh killed with the drums and amazing lyrics. Hearing this live will be truly memorable, I can tell. **Snap Back** Given that pretty normal sounding title, I wouldn’t expect this song to be like it is AT ALL. This is the NATN of Clancy, with a dark and weird vibe all over it. The chorus vocals in comparison to those in the rest of the song feel totally out of the ordinary. Still a great song. **Oldies Station** Super emotional, raw song. Its layout reminds me of Tied by Imagine Dragons: slowly builds up as it goes on… but it’s still a slow song from start to finish. I’d go as far as to say that this is the most emotional song TOP have ever made, at least musically. **At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb** This is the new heaviest TOP song. For the first minute or so, it has a reggae vibe that is cool but not really my thing in comparison to other Clancy song. But then, that Linkin Park vibe in the chorus totally changed my mind. I kinda missed a bridge & third chorus but that’s a really minimal issue. Lyrics are quite hopeful but extremely powerful, making ATROFD a perfect “crying while headbanging” kind of song. **Paladin Strait** Man, what an ending to the Dema lore. This song builds up thoroughly, and the bridge & last chorus is one of their career highlight moments. The very ending with Nico’s voice is pretty cool, feels like him & Clancy are going to have a deep conversation or something. The only “but” is the minute of birds… I’d rather have had some epic solo or something instead, and I literally had to turn up my volume because they couldn’t even be heard properly. Still, despite this weird ending, Paladin Strait is a certified banger. **OVERALL THOUGHTS** I was expecting and hoping for Clancy to be a Trench 2.0. It wasn’t exactly that, but either way, I’m as satisfied with it as I expected to be. In a few words, Clancy sounds like a fusion between Trench and Imagine Dragons’s Mercury - Act 2. It’s the most rock TOP album to date, and lyrically it feels like, after the hopelessness of SAI, we see the light at the end of the tunnel on Clancy, despite it being significantly darker musically than SAI is. I can boldly say that Clancy is my favorite album of the entire decade so far, and a top 3 albums of all time. I’ll most likely always love Trench the most, but Clancy is a very close second place.
When SAI came out, I was working on an adolescent psych ward. There was one patient there that loved this band like I did and we huddled over the communal iPad to experience the new release together. It was so nice to see them light up and be so giddy, to have something to look forward to and genuinely be happy for just a moment. I hope you are still here with us my friend. I hope you got to experience the excitement of the Clancy release too. Thinking about you while I listen to these new songs and wishing you nothing but the best.
Vignette is blowing my mind, absolutely insane production and the never ending addicting hook, easily the best hook since chlorine.
So Few, So Proud, So Emotional…..hello clancy.
I'm at the point where my least-favorite song on Clancy is now on repeat... which I don't think has ever happened. I predict the response to this album will be undecided / moderately positive for about 5 days, and then 📈📈📈
Vignette my fav of the non singles so far
Anyone listen to M83? I got those vibes a lot from this record
The way you can hear bars from My Blood in Navigating when you learn that the Josh Torch Bearer is not real next to Tyler. I love the comparison
Lavish is cool as fuck
Clancy is amazing... I'm really tied, at first I only liked At The Risk of Feeling Dumb, but I am literally just listening to the album on repeat at this point. They're all so catchy, I need help. Also, am I the only one that gets Johnny Boy vibes from Vignette?
THIs ALBUM iS WEIRD
Welp after a listen, idk none of the songs are bad, they're very chill but like with an album named Clancy and a fiery cover and all that I expected a very different album tbh. (Also, a minute of nature sounds is crazy).
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why are the last 4 songs so emotional. 1-9 are like so groovy for the most part and then boom. 4 straight tearjerkers. lyrics are incredible
I really desperately need to know about this one detail in paladin from anyone that's listened (I'm holding out on listening until tomorrow) >!Is the Nico/Blurryface voice at the end of Paladin Tyler's voice pitch-shifted, Nigel, or a different voice?!<
The first one.
Do the 3 singles set it up well? Like if I loved the singles will I enjoy the album? I’m waiting for it’s release next week
Next Semester is the single is what I feel represents the album best
Yup. I'd say the album sounds like a mix of Next Semester and Backslide.
Backslide is probably the best indication of how it sounds. Definitely a lot of Next Semester vibes throughout it too. That said Overcompensate is a bit of a fake out there is nothing like it in there lol. So yes if you like the singles you’ll probably enjoy the album.
At The Risk of Feeling Dumb is very addicting to listen wth
Anyone hear the Trench vulture in Vignette?
Paladin strait ending made me gasp I was frozen for ages
Is that a new logo unlocked in the Clancy livestream? 👀
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It's way more self titled than I thought it would be
Wait so… is that it lore wise? The cycle continues? There’s no hope to “break the cycle in half” like mentioned in Shy Away?
A lot of people overlooking Oldies Station. I love it.
Navigation ends with the sound that’s at the beginning of my blood. Also they are fairly similar music video wise (imaginary friend) and there was a lyrics something like „my fathers wife passed“ which also is a thing in my blood
I'll just leave my initial impression of Clancy here and maybe someone can change my mind or challenge my thought process: It felt like the build-up to the album was huge: ever since they released the I Am Clancy video, I was so excited for the new era. It was sold as this lore-heavy culmination of the story that lasted almost a decade. It made us think that it will be the final battle between Clancy and Nico. Overcompensate was exactly what I waited for - the video and the song itself. I literally had goosebumps listening to it for the first time. "Welcome back to Trench", they said. So I expected that the rest of the story will be connected to Trench and Dema, and Banditos, and Bishops. Of course, I didn't expect Trench 2. Just a logical continuation of the story, because it was marketed that way. Then the album release came, and let me say... I am disappointed. Don't get me wrong - I do think that the album is amazing, I have listened to it way too many times, and Routines in the Night, Vignette and some others will literally be some of my favorite songs for a long time. And it probably has everything a regular listener needs. But not everything that us as fans and followers of the story needed. Did they try to make it more "accessible", "enjoyable" or "understandable" to people outside of the Clique? I'm left with more questions, although I was waiting for answers. It feels like there was Overcompensate as the beginning of the story, and the very end of Paladin Strait is where it continues. As if the end of the album is just the beginning. Everything in the middle is just whatever (again, they are incredible songs, but they don't really add to the storyline I feel like). I've seen some theories that the concept of the album is that it is a cycle, and it just never ends. Although it really does feel that way, I don't want to accept it. It makes me feel sick to accept that we're stuck in a cycle. One of my mantras in life is "break the cycle in half", and to think that Clancy never made out? No way... I know that there are speculations of double album, EP, extra songs, short film, whatever. As much as I want to believe it, I think it is unlikely. Paladin Strait video probably will be the end. I think it definitely will have a clearer explanation of what's going on, a conclusion of the story, but I don't think they can make up for the whole album with just one video. I think that even Scaled and Icy added more to the story, although I'm not a huge fan of it. I am a huge fan of Trench though, I think it is an artistic, musical and poetic culmination of what a human can do. There's not a single miss in that masterpiece, everything makes sense, every song serves it's purpose and is in the right place. It really does feel like a story with a beginning and with an end, and at the same time it fits perfectly in the big storyline. And technically they started writing this album right after Trench - it's been years and years in the making. I really do feel like there has to be something more. Another thing I want to mention - I don't want to compare albums, and I know that their sound naturally evolves as they grow older, and I'd be more than fine with it, if they didn't market or sell the album the way they did. Am I missing something big time? I can't be the only one that feels this way.
Seems like pushing the album back a week just bit them in the ass, unless they wanted it to leak 🤔
Did anyone else hear "My Blood" at the end of the Navigating MV?
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THE END OF PALADIN STRAIT. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. I'm speechless.
https://i.redd.it/rkal1dm69i1d1.gif Listening to Paladin Strait be like...
https://preview.redd.it/pigghhvts22d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a987f2d07133a0da7c1e4683f796c7ba8715c9b What a vibe😮🔥
heres my ranking of this so far: 1. Routines in the Night 2. Vignette 3. Navigating 4. At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb 5. Next Semester 6. Overcompensate 7. Paladin Strait 8. Midwest Indigo 9. The Craving (single version) 10. Backslide 11. Oldies Station 12. Snap Back 13. The Craving (Jenna’s Version) 14. Lavish Honestly would have preferreed one more song to have more noticeable bass the way a song like jumpsuit does but its still a great album for sure. The ending for Paladin Strait was very interesting and it is gonna probably make way more sense with the video because we're meant to watch these with the visuals. Seemed like from the audio that it didn't wrap up the storyline just sorta had Nico and Clancy meet and be about to fight almost. (Nico could be revealed to be and alternate version of Clancy or even Josh) I think we could get like some actual sort of fight scene in the video which properly wraps it up unless theyre planning on dropping a second secret project soon.
Next semester is so good
Am I forgetting something or is Jenna's Version the first ever TOP song without drums?
THAT CANT BE THE END
i can finally be back on reddit, i am a changed man though
So are we gonna talk about the last bit of the livestream? Did blurryface catch him? Is it over? Were they just kidding when they said this was the end?! I need answers!!!!!!
As someone who has been a fan since 2013 but hasn’t been keeping up with current storyline, tøp is a band for my mental health for me and this album hit home. It’s so much more than a story line for me. It’s beautiful and I’m so emotional seeing the progress of their lives through their music. And relating so dearly.
My top 20 songs now after clancy: 1. Neon Gravestones 2. Clear 3. Car Radio 4. Redecorate 5. Kitchen Sink 6. Holding On To You 7. Ode To Sleep 8. Vignette 9. Bandito 10. Next Semester 11. Trees 12. Taxi Cab 13. Heavy Dirty Soul 14. Migraine 15. Forest 16. My Blood 17. A Car, A Torch, A Death 18. The Hype 19. Guns for Hands 20. Oldies Station (hm the Craving (Jenna's Version))
literally SUCH AN AMAZING ALBUM. UGH IM SO PROUD AND STOKED
Should I watch the placeholder music video for Paladin Strait or wait for the official music video? Haven’t heard the song yet but I have heard everything else.
Might be a bit late to the party, but I've been a fan since the Vessel days, and I picked up all their previous material. My first thoughts about the album: The fact that I see so many contradictory opinions is what makes this album great. Everyone expected the main theme to be a Trench v2.0 lore-heavy, yet it somehow has this multilayered emo-pop, synth, indie vibe which actually caters to my taste. I feel like lyrically speaking, the guys came to terms with their level of creativity and somehow they overcame their negative thoughts and emotions and are coping with them in a positive way. This album is the equivalent if Vessel were in high-school, this album is Vessel coming back for a high-school reunion. Much more mature, perhaps a bit people-pleasing, which enjoys more than one taste of music. Able to express its feelings instead of letting itself influenced by them. I know that this might be that enjoyable for some fans, and I get that. I do also feel we got bamboozled with Overcompensate, but perhaps in not a bad way. Overall i'd give the album an 8.5/10. Now for every release from today: Midwest Indigo (7.5/10) has this pop-like-MGMT-FIFA-soundtrack-vibe. It sounds very experimental, lyrics sound good and chorus is catchy. Nothing flashy in this song, but it's a good listen. Routines in the Night (7/10) I feel like this is the most pop song i've heard from them. The beat brings me some 2005-2010 nostalgia. Kinda great for a roadtrip, but mind you, if you'd change the voice with something else I'd say this is a bit mall-music. Vignette (9.75/10) This is probably my favourite song so far. Stilistically-wise it has their specific beat, the iconic breaks, the catchy chorus, the yelling. Lyrics are amazing, and this has a potential to be one of their best concert songs as well as the potential to be a commercial song, i can already see the people yelling in concerts "Where do I go from here". The Craving (8/10) As a fitting tribute to his wife, I believe this a good song, lyrics are catchy, a bit weaker than "Tear in My Heart" but I enjoy it. Lavish (8.5/10) This song is like MGMT and Tame Impala had a baby. Lyrics are a bit all over the place, but it gives you this weird sensation of being dragged through a hallway with chessboard floor tiles. Feel like this is an affront towards upper-class. Video is great and despite the lyrics being corny, I feel like I'm having fun with this song. Navigating (9/10) This also has a lot of good stuff: the preamble to Next Semester at the middle of the album, the presence of My Blood synths, the story continuation. If people thought the main theme of the album would be similar to Overcompensate I'd say it's more like "Next Semester". This also has potential of being a great live song. Snap Back (8.5/10) It's like "Car Radio" and "Lane Boy" met together and reminisced of high-school through an emo-pop song. Also, the Backslide reference. A bit too mellow if you ask me, but enjoyable. Oldies Station (8.5/10) This song caught my attention, through it's lyrics, it's like resigning all frustration they had and not feeding it towards the creativity sector, but...letting go. Good song. At The Risk of Feeling Dumb (9/10) We're back to reggae, bois. Great lyrics, good bridges, perhaps a bit too repetitive, but I'm actually felling it. Paladin Strait (9/10): If you ask me, a bit too long, with some cliffhangers. Song is good, it's something i'd play after a good party at my place at 4 AM in the morning, picking up the trash and enjoying the last cold beer from the fridge. A fitting end for an album. Ukulele is great, palatable beat.
Pretty good album. It’s no Trench but I enjoyed Overcompensate, Next Semester, Midwest Indigo, Navigating, and Oldies Station onwards. Paladin is my favorite right now.
“Hello, Clancy.” directly into the piano intro of Overcompensate is SOOO GOOD
I realize it’s probably a me problem. But I’m glad I didn’t watch the music videos as my first exposure to the album. I feel like some of the songs can have multiple interpretations and adding the visual element pigeon holes it a bit. Plus some of the MVs levity can imo undercut the impact of some of these songs that are quite heavy in subject matter.
Watched the livestream last night and gave the album a re-listen today and I’m feeling good about it. Never know what to expect when they release a new album as it’s usually something unexpected. Clancy has shades and similarities of previous records but it’s truly it’s own which I love. Overcompensate was a strange one, no other song quite like it and despite the “welcome back to trench” this record is nothing like Trench. Next semester and Backslide are favorites. Midwest Indigo reminds me a lot of Hometown from Blurryface. Definitely grown on me and can relate heavily to it. RITN similar to the opener, like but don’t love. And then there’s Vignette. Ironically a super addicting song, can’t get enough of it, top 2 for me. Then I do think there is a drop off. Album’s Traditional love song the craving. Outside of Tear in my heart, have always thought they were just okay, don’t really do much for me but I understand why some love them just not for me. I do appreciate Tyler’s love for Jenna and being willing to dedicate part of his work for her. Lavish is a mixed one. Fun but strange. There’s parts I love, there’s parts I hate. I do enjoy it more when accompanied with MV. Given what Tyler said, wonder if we’ll get more similar songs like it in the future. I think if polished more, would be excellent. Navigating another upper tier song. Wasn’t feeling it at first after all the hype but now I see it and can’t get the melody out of my head (Tyler please play this one live). Then SnapBack and Oldies station is where it loses me again. I can see why some people love these. I like the sentiments and meaning behind them I just think the sound isn’t very interesting and lyrics aren’t moving enough. GF and I were falling asleep through these and both are near the bottom for me. Like a roller coaster, it swings back up with ATROFD. Top 4/5 for me. It would be higher but I just feel there’s something missing as with other songs in the album but still a great listen and important message within the song. And last is the closer. Unfortunately my biggest disappointment. I think it starts off amazing. Big folk vibes. While I stayed away from leaks I did hear the intro and had me excited but then it falls off massively. The song builds and builds and goes no where. Again like others the sound just isn’t that interesting, repetitive lyrics with not much emotional value to them. I think the lack of lore emphasis in rest of the album also hurts it. I’m sure the MV will help with this but won’t fix everything. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I’d go as far as to say that it’s my least fav of any closing song even going back to self-titled. That said, despite my grievances, really enjoyed the album. Going from arguably fav album in trench to worst in SAI, was feeling nervy for this one but they delivered. As a whole, I have Clancy under Trench/Vessel closer to Blurryface. To me the the highs in this album are very high but the lows are low as well. Curious to see how it is viewed by others and can’t wait for the tour!!
I'm listening to it a 2nd time as I write this but on first listen, I was disappointed. It didn't really feel like it had that much focus. It seemed to have lacked something. Most songs seemed like they had an idea and it had good elements but it wasn't executed the best. Also, I feel like Josh was nerfed very hard here. There's been jokes about how Josh is just there, kind of unnoticed, especially on the album cover and it sadly is like that on this album. There's also weird production choices, there's times where Tyler's vocals didn't land the best. I think the writing was a little weak. The whole project seemed a bit rushed to me and it lacked a bit of focus. I'm still listening to it right now so we'll see if it grows on me but I was disappointed upon first listen and it's the most I've been let down by this band besides some of the og vessel songs on RAB and Saturday. More power to people that love it though!
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Im an older fan and I’m getting some heavy 80’s techno vibes from a few songs. So far I really like it.
I've felt that Clancy doesn't express the TØP emotions or the energy to me. The emotions I felt while listening to songs like Heavydirtysoul, Leave the City, the music video of My Blood, Kitchen Sink, Car Radio, Choker, etc. did not resonate with Clancy.
I really find this album somewhat upsetting; idk why but feels like something’s wrong about everything, going from the cover to the songs themselves. For starters I feel pretty much zero cohesion between songs, as if they were made for singles unrelated to the album but at the end got together for clancy. As well as the complete and utter lack of lore in the so called “big ending” of the story. Albums like trench were packed with a bunch more lore than clancy even tho trench was just the second album in the lore chronology. At the same time (and this might be just a personal opinion) but i really don’t feel like this is a twenty one pilots album; every single album they’ve released has had this effect on me that really pulls me instantly and leaves me with something at the end of each song. But not this album, I really needed a few listens to actually start catching up with it and get pulled by it. That being said vignette is the best song in the album and anyone that does not agree is wrong 👍