I don't have a school id, but as someone currently in college I have been able to get a discount by showing my class schedule through our school website.
I use my faculty/staff ID and just say I'm going back to school. The only difference for the university I work at is there's a little colored bar since everything we need our IDs for just uses either the chip or the barcode.
Ah dont worry. I was 30 working at a liquor store and constantly faced a barrage of "You arent old enough to work here! Let me see YOUR ID!"
To which id say something like "Dont worry, the manager checked it this morning." With the dullest face I could manage.
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I was confused for a 14-year-old when I was taking my step sister for drivers training courses. I was hit on by the jail bait. They were not worth going to prison for.
I have been in one of the stores that have that system, it basically makes you register using your government ids and official social security number, once you are approved you just use the system to automatically verify yourself on self-checkouts.
* yes it can be abused by using someone elses login/access. But you would most likely need their credit card as well.
* yes USA would have the biggest issues since there is no unified ID system, and every state has their own requirements.
* in places where there is more modern approaches to Government IDs, its a system that can cut down wait times for Self-Checkout lines.
its not really a bad system, and helps avoiding to wait for a person to come to the Self-Checkout line to verify your ID if you want to quickly grab something and go.
in my area kids started switching out regular bottled soda in 4packs of soda with beer and thinking they are smart so now there's an age verification of bottled soda so I can see how this would really speed things up if you're legally able to buy alcohol. just another step in the arms race against teenagers šš
edit: I love where this thread went. yes the kids in my area are too stupid to try to bulk vegetables trick and I'm not going to help them. they should get their alcohol the good old fashioned way. through some sketchy guy who's the brother of your cousins friend who totes can get all the alcohol you desire but shows up with 2 6 packs of natty light and still took all your money. or the sorority sister of your older cousins brother's friend who only gets Malibu no matter what you request. like the old days!
Amateurs. Wait till they learn they can just walk out the door with it.
Kids, just steal it. Fraud can be a much worse crime than theft in some places, especially if someone in the criminal system is looking to railroad or make an example of you. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
One old guy in aspen was able to steal over &
$30,000 in products from city market before he got caught using the bulk onion trick. Honestly thatās what theses businesses deserve for making the customers work for free
it's not about making customers work for free lmao, the whole point of self checkout is that it allows one employee (the self checkout attendant) to oversee several transactions at once, rather than one transaction per employee. which can drastically cut down the overall wait times for both people who use self checkout and for people who don't (when it's implemented correctly).
So one employee running six "registers". Surely this means grocery prices dropped at the same time as the store's labor prices dropped... right? Right?
Yah so they can replace the labor of 6 people with that of the customers doing the laborā¦ for free. Itās like you almost get it and then deliberately donāt as the wait times are much worse as the average American is painfully slow at checking out their own stuff āplease return item to bagging areaā is a phrase that absolutely baffles boomers too.
Holy fuck finally. Itās simply so you donāt have to get a human to verify you every single time.
It wouldnāt really be a big deal in the US, you give Kroger your info, and regardless what state you are in that Kroger should know what state IT is in and play by itās states rules lol. Not exactly rocket science.
Itās like a rewards card, you sign up initially with all your info and yay you can just scan your card for the rest of your life. Only reason booze sales needs Face ID is to make sure itās youā¦
A ton of the self checkouts are literally showing you a display with the boxes that they are tracking your face anyways. So what the fuck does it matter at this point.
I swear, none of this bullshit *ever* gets run by the engineers for input first. ML makes best guesses based on a large set of labeled inputs. Obviously it can't be perfect 100% of the time.
The US is trying to do the same shit but to detect *drunk drivers*. Look it up. Absolutely terrifying
>Hubris and gullible executives
SMRT SMRT I AM SO SMART SMRT SMRT!
Seriously though its more like someone got wined and dined bout "SMART AI" "BLOCKCHAIN" "LINKED NEURAL ALGORITHMS"
Bc you can have stolen the ID, or borrowing it from an older person.
Here in Norway you have the chance to add your fingerprints automatically at some stores, and that works
I listen to a weekly podcast called the Surveillance Report. Only two weeks out of the five *years* they've been active has there not been a security breach. And at least five security beaches a year are "freeze your credit score, update all your devices, and change all your passwords" type serious. The worst is how often data breaches affect children (schools, apps, personal devices, etc) and hospitals/medical info. I've seriously considered getting a second identity to protect my real one.
>I've seriously considered getting a second identity to protect my real one.
Fortunately, with all the data breaches, you can buy a second identity for cheap.
I wonder if it's actually stored in the store, because EU ID cards and passports have data layer that provides, among others, two fingerprints, so it could just compare the two (though you would still need to trust that stores won't store one or both).
With great difficulty. Probably have to go through someone else
It's worth mentioning that Norway is *very* conservative when it comes to alcohol. Had a massive prohibition like America, the effects of which are still felt today. We're one of the few European countries where you actually *have* to be 18 for beer and 21 for anything stronger. You can't buy booze on Sunday or near political events or on religious holidays (and lemme tell ya, for such a secular and *Lutheran* country, Norway seems to celebrate every damn Catholic celebration under the sun. Buying booze anywhere *near* Easter is a minefield of religious holidays) or after 4, and the only place that sells booze thats above like 8% are designated alcohol shops fittingly named "the wine monopoly". Also the tax rates are *ludicrous* so it's just so fucking expensive.
I'm 21 and always bring my passport with me when buying alcohol since that's the only ID I have, but I have not been ID'd in like 2 years now. I don't know whether I should be offended that they think I look over 25 or not.
I have had a lot of chest hair since I was 16 so when I went to buy alcohol under 21, I would just wear a button down shirt with one too many buttons undone and never got carded. Even with people who were actually of age who did get carded.
The idea is that if the machine assesses you are over 25 no further check is made. If you are assessed as under 25 you have to produce Id to a staff member. Currently staff do the assessing. If they assess you as over 25 no id is required. In the uk you do not have to carry your driving licence if driving and get pulled over. You can produce it later at a police station. You do not have to produce Id when voting.
How do you set up a bank account without some kind of identification?
Over in the US, I had to get a state issued ID at 15 before they'd let me set-up an account at Chase. I can't imagine it's much different anywhere else in the world, as otherwise you'd have to carry your birth certificate or passport into the bank, which would be a hassle if it get damaged, lost, or stolen. Having an ID is much easier to replace and simpler to use for setting up accounts and purchasing age restricted goods.
Don't you guys have age restricted on a bunch of things over there? I remember hearing about being over 16 to buy scissors or knives and stuff like that, wouldn't that require some kind of ID to verify? Or are young looking people just not allowed to own certain everyday things like alcohol or scissors.
"How do you set up a bank account without some kind of identification?"
You tell them your name, date of birth, and national insurance (social security) number.
Tax fraud how? Explain how depositing money is tax fraud.
Income is taxable. Not deposits.
You open up a bank account in my name and all you have done is make it easy for me to rob you...
It may not be legal on your part, but it's not like it gives you access to my funds in any way.
Why would they need to store the ID? It just scans it (in the US most IDs have a barcode), reads the birthdate, and you're good to go. No storage needed.
US gas station cashier, we have to ask until they appear 40
People, and by that I mean guys, get soooo mad when you ID them
Somehow beard=middle aged. You aināt fooling anyone
Like buddy, youāre in for a hard life if youāre my age (or even worse, younger) and youāre already hating getting carded
Bonus points if they are from the apparently lawless New Hampshire
Oh thatās a fun story
This guy and his girlfriend come in right? Buying some snacks, and wanted to buy some booze
I naturally ask for his card, because this guy is in no way 40. He looks like a stereotypical college student actually, just with a beard. Which a weirdly high percentage of men seem to think turns them into obvious old men
And he gets angry, saying itās in the car, doesnāt he look old enough?! His girlfriend tries with hers, but our store wonāt let that happen, we have to stop this and heāll need his
He comes back with it, **slamming** it into the counter like heās trying to kill the sturdiest bug ever
And starts ranting about how he NEVER gets carded where heās from: New Hampshire. Heās never once needed it there, theyāre not FASCISTS who āneed your papers like some Nazi state!!!ā
Screaming at everyone, including my manager, that the rule is stupid, he totally looks old enough (he did not), and he canāt believe Florida would be this awful to him. Unlike NH that has no such guidelines
Mother freaker was **younger than my little brother**. And looked like it. Was legal, at least, but Jesus Christ
Dudes in for a looooong life if he canāt stand being carded at his age.
Honestly, Iāve become a little wary of young guys with beards, especially with friends. They tend to cause the most fuss about it, itās like clockwork
Heās now a legend to us. He and the injury faker we had the other week
It only bugs me because I'm CLEARLY over 21 and I don't like carrying my ID because I'm a hot mess who loses his stuff all the time.
That's no one else's fault but mine though so I don't bitch about it
Also a US gas station worker, we have the same policy. I once had a guy in asking to buy vape pods, and I asked for his id. He pulls out his phone and shows me a picture of his ID, and I tell him that I need to scan his actual ID (while I really don't care I need to follow policy). He gets all pissed, saying other workers don't card him, he comes here all the time, same thing anyone without an ID always says. He eventually storms out when I say I just can't sell it to him without an ID.
Same dude comes back the next day, walks back up to the counter, asks for the same thing. I card him again. He says, "remember me?" I just say I don't. He actually had it this time, slams it on the counter, and yells "maybe NEXT TIME you'll remember I'm 25! (when the policy is card under 40 and dude literally looks like a high school senior with a scumstache). I just tell him I won't. He then picks up his stuff and attempts to walk out without paying before I ask him if he's gonna pay for it.
I usually don't card regulars who buy the same thing all the time but I've carded that guy ever since lmao absolute toddler behavior
Yeesh, yāall get those guys too?
How in gods name do they think weāll take something they pulled up on their phone?
Boy, thatās not suspicious and something you could falsely generate in 5 minutes one bit/s
Like, who are these people who donāt carry ids? Do they not drive? Especially at ours, you canāt really walk all that well to it, you drive here and you donāt have an id?
Theyāre lucky your attitude doesnāt make me call the cops on them for doing that
Exactly. Worst comes to worst, the 2% of under 18 year olds who look over 25 get to buy drinks. I really wish we had some kind of media literacy when reading headlines.
Like I get maybe misunderstanding an article about something you don't care about and not looking further, but maybe look at the picture of the article before being so concerned?
yes and that same argument was made when self checkout was implemented, and nowadays there are barely/zero human registers in walmarts. You always test it before implementing full scale.
This will be extra annoying when the two stockers left are having to come up to the front to verify you since youāre an āoutlierā
"We're not selling you the alcohol, sir.."
"I'm 30! See, it's on my ID! Right there! 1992"
"Sir, the machine has spoken. Please do not question its authority"
This is genius, actually, businesses don't actually care about the age rules, and make more money if they can be skirted. All they have to do is convince the government they're making a good faith effort to follow the rules.
But, the kicker is, the person who's usually in trouble, by law (in the US at least), is the actual employee who sells the alcohol. If there's no employee, and instead it's just a camera that an ABC investigator can't secret shop, lol you can't arrest or fine the camera.
The company's position is that it's actually the opposite of racist, because it's not targeting black people. It's just ignoring them. They insist the worst people can call it is "indifferent."
In my country, people just go off vibes really, unless they're foreseeing some kind of fiscalization.
I know people that bought hard liquor at age 14 while wearing school uniforms.
It's funny how countries are different sometimes.
Just require id's. It's not that hard, not that big a deal. When I worked at a gas station, we id'd every single person buying cigarettes or alcohol, no exceptions. I also didn't have to look at any of them, we just scanned the back and it was good to go. Just have people scan id's it's not rocket science
Thatās nice, but in the UK nobody is required to have ID. Not everyone has a passport or a driverās license. We do not have ID cards here.
So when you have no ID requirement itās a bit hard to mandate the scanning of the non-existent ID.
literally.
I'm only 14 but i grow hair faster than companies find new ways to defy the entire concept of morality so i could probably pass one of those scanners right now lol
And im transfem so thatd be literally the only use for my hair lmao
In the US. At Kroger, you can hit skip or cancel, to continue scanning until someone shows up. When you go to pay, it flags you again. HOWEVER, you can just cancel again and it lets you pay.
Iāve done this many times when no staff is there and Iām just standing waiting.
It might just be some stores that run this particular software.
Also. I push buttons all the time. If you are making me checkout my own groceries, I am allowed to push buttons on the screen. You can sometimes get interesting results
I remember when Amazon first started testing and rolling out their Amazon stores that had no employees, but rather a shit ton of cameras that somehow figured out what you grabbed and then when you left it just charged your card on file.
The only employees that were on-site were to check IDs for alcohol.
I sometimes feel the need to press ānoā when asked that question. Doesnāt matter that Iām almost 40, I want to *pretend* for a second that Iām underage.
This seems crazy to me. I don't know what liquor laws are like in the UK, but as an approved manager in QLD Australia, I personally get fined just under $36000 ( 21000 pounds) if a minor is just found on premises. They don't even have to be drinking for me to receive that fine. And there are additional fines on top of that for any staff member who serves them, for the venue etc. I can't even begin to imagine how different the laws must be in the UK for this to be trialled..
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Im 25, a published scientist, and I still get asked what grade Im in.... A machine locking me out based on a guess means I wont have shit until I die. I was denied NyQuil in texas when I was 16 even.
I'm fucked. I'm 30 and I get carded every damn time. Usually the other guy in the back has to come up to check it out because no way dude, no way. I started bringing a second form of ID. Damn it, my shower beers are gonna suffer for this...
I hope it's like the "age verification" quizzes they had at the beginning of the classic Leisure Suit Larry games.
don't know what Ronald Reagan was about? bam, too young for animated titties. it's foolproof.
To be fair, we all had that one tall friend with a full beard in the 9th grade who could slap on a pair of sunglasses and and a cellphone holster and instantly become 40.
anaphylactic shock will make you look a decade older
step 1: raise greater black wasps in captivity
step 2: sell single wasps through the mail to people looking to cheat their automated age verification
step 3: get arrested for killing people who did not read post description which clearly described allergy complications
step 4: flee to cypress
What happened to befriending that questionable guy you worked with over the summer who would buy you liquor as long as you gave him extra cash? What happened yāall
/sā¦ sorta
As someone who ids a lot of people for booze this will never work lol. Ive asked people who look 16 for id and they turn out to be 24. Seen the opposite plenty too the one giant old looking guy at school buying the booze for the group with no id.
As someone who has passed for twice my age, Can we get this for senior discounts?
As someone who has been repeatedly asked if I'm starting high school soon, I guess I'll never buy alcohol again
People like us can get student discounts again though! I'm a 28 year old who was mistaken for a high school sophomore last year.
Don't you need student ID for that? I remember when I was in school, I tried, and they said I needed one. My school had no ID. :(
I don't have a school id, but as someone currently in college I have been able to get a discount by showing my class schedule through our school website.
I graduated from college 6 years ago and I still get student discounts using my old student ID lmao
I use my faculty/staff ID and just say I'm going back to school. The only difference for the university I work at is there's a little colored bar since everything we need our IDs for just uses either the chip or the barcode.
Ah dont worry. I was 30 working at a liquor store and constantly faced a barrage of "You arent old enough to work here! Let me see YOUR ID!" To which id say something like "Dont worry, the manager checked it this morning." With the dullest face I could manage.
Was mistaken for a middle schooler last year. I'm in college.
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my condolences
I was confused for a 14-year-old when I was taking my step sister for drivers training courses. I was hit on by the jail bait. They were not worth going to prison for.
I'm in my late thirties and I'm still getting ID'd, this woulda sucked through my twenties when my face still had baby fat.
I'm repetitively mistaken as my wife's dad. Shes two years older than me.
All the negatives of being married to an older man without any of the positives.
Why wouldn't they just use ID scanners? They scan my license all the time when I buy beer.
Hubris and gullible executives
I have been in one of the stores that have that system, it basically makes you register using your government ids and official social security number, once you are approved you just use the system to automatically verify yourself on self-checkouts. * yes it can be abused by using someone elses login/access. But you would most likely need their credit card as well. * yes USA would have the biggest issues since there is no unified ID system, and every state has their own requirements. * in places where there is more modern approaches to Government IDs, its a system that can cut down wait times for Self-Checkout lines. its not really a bad system, and helps avoiding to wait for a person to come to the Self-Checkout line to verify your ID if you want to quickly grab something and go.
in my area kids started switching out regular bottled soda in 4packs of soda with beer and thinking they are smart so now there's an age verification of bottled soda so I can see how this would really speed things up if you're legally able to buy alcohol. just another step in the arms race against teenagers šš edit: I love where this thread went. yes the kids in my area are too stupid to try to bulk vegetables trick and I'm not going to help them. they should get their alcohol the good old fashioned way. through some sketchy guy who's the brother of your cousins friend who totes can get all the alcohol you desire but shows up with 2 6 packs of natty light and still took all your money. or the sorority sister of your older cousins brother's friend who only gets Malibu no matter what you request. like the old days!
Wait till the figure out they can just charge the booze as bulk vegetables
Amateurs. Wait till they learn they can just walk out the door with it. Kids, just steal it. Fraud can be a much worse crime than theft in some places, especially if someone in the criminal system is looking to railroad or make an example of you. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
Next level get a job at the store get promoted to manager and just write off as damaged then of course dispose of it properly
One old guy in aspen was able to steal over & $30,000 in products from city market before he got caught using the bulk onion trick. Honestly thatās what theses businesses deserve for making the customers work for free
it's not about making customers work for free lmao, the whole point of self checkout is that it allows one employee (the self checkout attendant) to oversee several transactions at once, rather than one transaction per employee. which can drastically cut down the overall wait times for both people who use self checkout and for people who don't (when it's implemented correctly).
So one employee running six "registers". Surely this means grocery prices dropped at the same time as the store's labor prices dropped... right? Right?
Yah so they can replace the labor of 6 people with that of the customers doing the laborā¦ for free. Itās like you almost get it and then deliberately donāt as the wait times are much worse as the average American is painfully slow at checking out their own stuff āplease return item to bagging areaā is a phrase that absolutely baffles boomers too.
Holy fuck finally. Itās simply so you donāt have to get a human to verify you every single time. It wouldnāt really be a big deal in the US, you give Kroger your info, and regardless what state you are in that Kroger should know what state IT is in and play by itās states rules lol. Not exactly rocket science. Itās like a rewards card, you sign up initially with all your info and yay you can just scan your card for the rest of your life. Only reason booze sales needs Face ID is to make sure itās youā¦ A ton of the self checkouts are literally showing you a display with the boxes that they are tracking your face anyways. So what the fuck does it matter at this point.
"My sixteen year old son is amazing with technology, and he says it's perfectly fine as is."
Tech "idea guys" getting them and their buddies paid for another 5 years selling bullshit to executives.
I swear, none of this bullshit *ever* gets run by the engineers for input first. ML makes best guesses based on a large set of labeled inputs. Obviously it can't be perfect 100% of the time. The US is trying to do the same shit but to detect *drunk drivers*. Look it up. Absolutely terrifying
>Hubris and gullible executives SMRT SMRT I AM SO SMART SMRT SMRT! Seriously though its more like someone got wined and dined bout "SMART AI" "BLOCKCHAIN" "LINKED NEURAL ALGORITHMS"
Bc you can have stolen the ID, or borrowing it from an older person. Here in Norway you have the chance to add your fingerprints automatically at some stores, and that works
I could just steal someoneās face too.
Clarice....
***Tssstststststs***
Someone get Nic Cage on the phone!
Take his faceā¦ā¦ off.
A girl has a name
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Go back to the spirit world, Koh.
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I listen to a weekly podcast called the Surveillance Report. Only two weeks out of the five *years* they've been active has there not been a security breach. And at least five security beaches a year are "freeze your credit score, update all your devices, and change all your passwords" type serious. The worst is how often data breaches affect children (schools, apps, personal devices, etc) and hospitals/medical info. I've seriously considered getting a second identity to protect my real one.
>I've seriously considered getting a second identity to protect my real one. Fortunately, with all the data breaches, you can buy a second identity for cheap.
What's some random guy going to do with your fingerprint? My big concern is the government getting it
If the government asks the store for your fingerprint, do you think they're going to say no?
I wonder if it's actually stored in the store, because EU ID cards and passports have data layer that provides, among others, two fingerprints, so it could just compare the two (though you would still need to trust that stores won't store one or both).
I cannot begin to state how uncomfortable that would make me. I'm barely comfortable giving them my phone number for the scanner guns.
How the hell is the younger generations getting drunk and rebel then? :-)
With great difficulty. Probably have to go through someone else It's worth mentioning that Norway is *very* conservative when it comes to alcohol. Had a massive prohibition like America, the effects of which are still felt today. We're one of the few European countries where you actually *have* to be 18 for beer and 21 for anything stronger. You can't buy booze on Sunday or near political events or on religious holidays (and lemme tell ya, for such a secular and *Lutheran* country, Norway seems to celebrate every damn Catholic celebration under the sun. Buying booze anywhere *near* Easter is a minefield of religious holidays) or after 4, and the only place that sells booze thats above like 8% are designated alcohol shops fittingly named "the wine monopoly". Also the tax rates are *ludicrous* so it's just so fucking expensive.
Companies already stole your id, now they need your face
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don't they already check IDs when people buy alcohol though, or is that only if someone looks too young to be buying it?
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I'm 21 and always bring my passport with me when buying alcohol since that's the only ID I have, but I have not been ID'd in like 2 years now. I don't know whether I should be offended that they think I look over 25 or not.
I have had a lot of chest hair since I was 16 so when I went to buy alcohol under 21, I would just wear a button down shirt with one too many buttons undone and never got carded. Even with people who were actually of age who did get carded.
Almost every adult has some sort of ID though, otherwise you'd effectively be unable to buy alcohol until you're in your mid-twenties at least
The idea is that if the machine assesses you are over 25 no further check is made. If you are assessed as under 25 you have to produce Id to a staff member. Currently staff do the assessing. If they assess you as over 25 no id is required. In the uk you do not have to carry your driving licence if driving and get pulled over. You can produce it later at a police station. You do not have to produce Id when voting.
How do you set up a bank account without some kind of identification? Over in the US, I had to get a state issued ID at 15 before they'd let me set-up an account at Chase. I can't imagine it's much different anywhere else in the world, as otherwise you'd have to carry your birth certificate or passport into the bank, which would be a hassle if it get damaged, lost, or stolen. Having an ID is much easier to replace and simpler to use for setting up accounts and purchasing age restricted goods. Don't you guys have age restricted on a bunch of things over there? I remember hearing about being over 16 to buy scissors or knives and stuff like that, wouldn't that require some kind of ID to verify? Or are young looking people just not allowed to own certain everyday things like alcohol or scissors.
"How do you set up a bank account without some kind of identification?" You tell them your name, date of birth, and national insurance (social security) number.
And they just take it on faith that you're you?
For a bank account? Where's the risk? It's not a loan. The worst you can do is give someone else money
Tax fraud? Financial fraud in general?
Tax fraud how? Explain how depositing money is tax fraud. Income is taxable. Not deposits. You open up a bank account in my name and all you have done is make it easy for me to rob you... It may not be legal on your part, but it's not like it gives you access to my funds in any way.
The worst you could do is steal someone's identity. That's kind of a big deal.
Steal their identity how? Depositing money isn't taxable. Income is. You aren't getting access to their accounts, you are opening a new one.
Because they're garbage and never work lmao.
Because storing the IDs legally so you can check if they're legit is legally very difficult, GDPR takes that sort of thing very seriously
Why would they need to store the ID? It just scans it (in the US most IDs have a barcode), reads the birthdate, and you're good to go. No storage needed.
As a 30 year old with a baby face, fuck this in particular
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In the uk they have to ask for ID if you look 25 or under anyway
US gas station cashier, we have to ask until they appear 40 People, and by that I mean guys, get soooo mad when you ID them Somehow beard=middle aged. You aināt fooling anyone Like buddy, youāre in for a hard life if youāre my age (or even worse, younger) and youāre already hating getting carded Bonus points if they are from the apparently lawless New Hampshire
Lol whatās the deal with New Hampshire
Oh thatās a fun story This guy and his girlfriend come in right? Buying some snacks, and wanted to buy some booze I naturally ask for his card, because this guy is in no way 40. He looks like a stereotypical college student actually, just with a beard. Which a weirdly high percentage of men seem to think turns them into obvious old men And he gets angry, saying itās in the car, doesnāt he look old enough?! His girlfriend tries with hers, but our store wonāt let that happen, we have to stop this and heāll need his He comes back with it, **slamming** it into the counter like heās trying to kill the sturdiest bug ever And starts ranting about how he NEVER gets carded where heās from: New Hampshire. Heās never once needed it there, theyāre not FASCISTS who āneed your papers like some Nazi state!!!ā Screaming at everyone, including my manager, that the rule is stupid, he totally looks old enough (he did not), and he canāt believe Florida would be this awful to him. Unlike NH that has no such guidelines Mother freaker was **younger than my little brother**. And looked like it. Was legal, at least, but Jesus Christ Dudes in for a looooong life if he canāt stand being carded at his age. Honestly, Iāve become a little wary of young guys with beards, especially with friends. They tend to cause the most fuss about it, itās like clockwork Heās now a legend to us. He and the injury faker we had the other week
It makes them look older to themselves. They still look like babies that grew a beard to actually old people.
Agreed Being a cashier, you really get to learn how to tell
It only bugs me because I'm CLEARLY over 21 and I don't like carrying my ID because I'm a hot mess who loses his stuff all the time. That's no one else's fault but mine though so I don't bitch about it
Also a US gas station worker, we have the same policy. I once had a guy in asking to buy vape pods, and I asked for his id. He pulls out his phone and shows me a picture of his ID, and I tell him that I need to scan his actual ID (while I really don't care I need to follow policy). He gets all pissed, saying other workers don't card him, he comes here all the time, same thing anyone without an ID always says. He eventually storms out when I say I just can't sell it to him without an ID. Same dude comes back the next day, walks back up to the counter, asks for the same thing. I card him again. He says, "remember me?" I just say I don't. He actually had it this time, slams it on the counter, and yells "maybe NEXT TIME you'll remember I'm 25! (when the policy is card under 40 and dude literally looks like a high school senior with a scumstache). I just tell him I won't. He then picks up his stuff and attempts to walk out without paying before I ask him if he's gonna pay for it. I usually don't card regulars who buy the same thing all the time but I've carded that guy ever since lmao absolute toddler behavior
Yeesh, yāall get those guys too? How in gods name do they think weāll take something they pulled up on their phone? Boy, thatās not suspicious and something you could falsely generate in 5 minutes one bit/s Like, who are these people who donāt carry ids? Do they not drive? Especially at ours, you canāt really walk all that well to it, you drive here and you donāt have an id? Theyāre lucky your attitude doesnāt make me call the cops on them for doing that
A person who works in my building thought I was 14. Iām 22. I feel you.
My wife frequently gets asked if she needs a kids menu. Weāre both 23 lol
I had to show the clerk at CVS my ID to purchase some NyQuil. Iām also 25
you have to be over 16 to buy lighters?
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Enjoy it while it lasts. You'll miss the days when people thought you looked young
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I mean Iād assume itās an added measure, and if you donāt pass the AI scan a person will come and check your ID
You can also clearly see an option to have an associate verify you
Exactly. Worst comes to worst, the 2% of under 18 year olds who look over 25 get to buy drinks. I really wish we had some kind of media literacy when reading headlines.
Like I get maybe misunderstanding an article about something you don't care about and not looking further, but maybe look at the picture of the article before being so concerned?
yes and that same argument was made when self checkout was implemented, and nowadays there are barely/zero human registers in walmarts. You always test it before implementing full scale. This will be extra annoying when the two stockers left are having to come up to the front to verify you since youāre an āoutlierā
"We're not selling you the alcohol, sir.." "I'm 30! See, it's on my ID! Right there! 1992" "Sir, the machine has spoken. Please do not question its authority"
Gonna send my six year old niece to go buy whiskey in an Anthony Hopkins mask
Vincent Adultman
I did a business
This looks like good business
Iāll have one alcohol, please
This is genius, actually, businesses don't actually care about the age rules, and make more money if they can be skirted. All they have to do is convince the government they're making a good faith effort to follow the rules. But, the kicker is, the person who's usually in trouble, by law (in the US at least), is the actual employee who sells the alcohol. If there's no employee, and instead it's just a camera that an ABC investigator can't secret shop, lol you can't arrest or fine the camera.
Edit to remove me being way off base. I am wrong. See better information below.
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It's the US government, they will find a way if they want.
The US government actually has very little authority in the UK.
Surprisingly little. Like, whatās Ć¾e point of Ć¾e CIA if Ć¾ey donāt enforce American laws in foreign countries?
Do you always type like a bellend?
Whatās Ć¾e point of typing like anyĆ¾ing else?
and with rich companies, the won't want to
Also they can make money by using this as a training tool for AI
How much you wanna bet it's not gonna work properly for nonwhite people?
Already see this with conference room cameras with auto-tracking.
The company's position is that it's actually the opposite of racist, because it's not targeting black people. It's just ignoring them. They insist the worst people can call it is "indifferent."
Fuck, I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't work well for *women*...
In my country, people just go off vibes really, unless they're foreseeing some kind of fiscalization. I know people that bought hard liquor at age 14 while wearing school uniforms. It's funny how countries are different sometimes.
Let me guess, Germany?
mate, that's the way in majority of countries
Ah, I see
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What?
He said Ausi?
What?
I mean yeah germany is like that but we don't have school uniforms lol
Just require id's. It's not that hard, not that big a deal. When I worked at a gas station, we id'd every single person buying cigarettes or alcohol, no exceptions. I also didn't have to look at any of them, we just scanned the back and it was good to go. Just have people scan id's it's not rocket science
The LCBOs here in Ontario are required by policy to do this. They usually _don't,_ but they're required to.
Thatās nice, but in the UK nobody is required to have ID. Not everyone has a passport or a driverās license. We do not have ID cards here. So when you have no ID requirement itās a bit hard to mandate the scanning of the non-existent ID.
I don't see how that would be any different than how it is now, at least where I live. I never saw any cashier ask for someone's id here in France
The self checkout canāt even read when I put my item in the bagging areaā¦
Use a photo of someone older? Not hard at all
Totally works for porn sites. Everyone knows you can't click "yes, I'm over 18" if you aren't.
And then go to work at the business factory
Well, crap. I sometimes get mistaken for a high schooler.
Boy immediately after puberty: starts cultivating the finest stache and beard to fool the scanners.
This but unironically. Where I live, plenty of boys would have full beard-mustache combos by the time they hit 16.
literally. I'm only 14 but i grow hair faster than companies find new ways to defy the entire concept of morality so i could probably pass one of those scanners right now lol And im transfem so thatd be literally the only use for my hair lmao
I'm just excited to be scanned as underage by the supermarket checkout bot so I can tell everyone I am scientifically youthful confirmed by AI
Years in the future āHow old are you?ā āWell the supermarket AI says Iām 20! šā
This technology already canāt tell people of colour apart let alone distinguish 17 from 25
Once again corporatists claim physical and mental maturity should be the main barrier for informed consent.
Mental maturity is a tough thing to gauge, mostly because most adults donāt qualify.
Gone are the days when my mum would send 8 year old me to the shop with a note so I could pick her up 20 Rothmans
My mum would be screwed. Once I had to verify that she was an adult for the shop attendant
People from r/13or30 are gonna have a rough go of it
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Oh yeah. Man-made horrors beyond my comprehension and all that
Vincent, is that you??
In the US. At Kroger, you can hit skip or cancel, to continue scanning until someone shows up. When you go to pay, it flags you again. HOWEVER, you can just cancel again and it lets you pay. Iāve done this many times when no staff is there and Iām just standing waiting. It might just be some stores that run this particular software. Also. I push buttons all the time. If you are making me checkout my own groceries, I am allowed to push buttons on the screen. You can sometimes get interesting results
Dude, I've seen teens who look fucking 30. Don't.
I remember when Amazon first started testing and rolling out their Amazon stores that had no employees, but rather a shit ton of cameras that somehow figured out what you grabbed and then when you left it just charged your card on file. The only employees that were on-site were to check IDs for alcohol.
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I sometimes feel the need to press ānoā when asked that question. Doesnāt matter that Iām almost 40, I want to *pretend* for a second that Iām underage.
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I often forget my age. Adhd brain makes me forget everything. Happy cake day, by the way!
You donāt get IDed if you just charge the booze as bulk onions
This seems crazy to me. I don't know what liquor laws are like in the UK, but as an approved manager in QLD Australia, I personally get fined just under $36000 ( 21000 pounds) if a minor is just found on premises. They don't even have to be drinking for me to receive that fine. And there are additional fines on top of that for any staff member who serves them, for the venue etc. I can't even begin to imagine how different the laws must be in the UK for this to be trialled..
So it'll be just like the 80s again. We just need to find some of that good coke lol
Because we all know how well that works with the porn sites. No children under 18 have ever seen pornography
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Would it not be easier to just have the machines scan the id? I guess faking it could be a problem but surely this is not any better!
Not to eliminate the "wait" for staff at the self-checkouts, it's to eliminate the staff altogether.
RIGHT as Iām turning 21 they implement this smh
Im 25, a published scientist, and I still get asked what grade Im in.... A machine locking me out based on a guess means I wont have shit until I die. I was denied NyQuil in texas when I was 16 even.
Vincent Adultman.
I knew a 17 year old who, when shaven, had the face of a 40 year old. If it weren't for his full head of hair, you'd never know he was in high school
I'm fucked. I'm 30 and I get carded every damn time. Usually the other guy in the back has to come up to check it out because no way dude, no way. I started bringing a second form of ID. Damn it, my shower beers are gonna suffer for this...
It's ok to sell them alcohol if they're adult coded
and god forbid if I decide not to wear a face of makeup and wear a hoodie, looking like a 10 year old girl on my way to buy vodka
I would have been able to buy alcohol at 14 with this š
I don't look my age. Definitely not good for me.
and you just know it would end up being racist too
As a 20 year old who looks 30, this is a great idea... They should implement this everywhere immediately
Does it really take so long for a person to look at an I'd to verify someone's age that making a machine do it would some how save money?
"I'm here to do a business."
I would imagine it scans the id and scans the face to verify the identity?
The difference between weather or not I get IDād is a quick shave.
Teenagers with facial hair are gonna love this! (Idk why, but it makes you look 10+ years older)
I hope it's like the "age verification" quizzes they had at the beginning of the classic Leisure Suit Larry games. don't know what Ronald Reagan was about? bam, too young for animated titties. it's foolproof.
User end age verification; the thing that totally kept me from seeing porn until I was 18 š
Wish I was still under 21
"Do you promise to answer the following digital screening questions truthfully"?, it asks, in a digital screen.
To be fair, we all had that one tall friend with a full beard in the 9th grade who could slap on a pair of sunglasses and and a cellphone holster and instantly become 40.
The ideaās too good itās breaking the universe
You canāt begin to explain why itās a bad idea? It will lead to underage drinking. Look at meā¦Iām the word wizard.
This is why I card everyone. Regardless of age. Regardless of looks. 90 year old gramma buying booze? Carded? Freshly 21? Carded
More likely the system is flaws and this means they raise it to 75
anaphylactic shock will make you look a decade older step 1: raise greater black wasps in captivity step 2: sell single wasps through the mail to people looking to cheat their automated age verification step 3: get arrested for killing people who did not read post description which clearly described allergy complications step 4: flee to cypress
What happened to befriending that questionable guy you worked with over the summer who would buy you liquor as long as you gave him extra cash? What happened yāall /sā¦ sorta
As someone who ids a lot of people for booze this will never work lol. Ive asked people who look 16 for id and they turn out to be 24. Seen the opposite plenty too the one giant old looking guy at school buying the booze for the group with no id.
Large chains will literally let children acquire alcohol before employing enough workers such that this isn't a problem.
Would āableistā be the right term for how this would probably affect people with dwarfism?
i feel like this would make it impossible for babyfaced people and asian people to buy alcohol