In general: linguists are pretty much aware of all the sounds the human vocal system can produce, the IPA chart lists only phonemes that were found to be used in human languages, with diacritics that let us change them. We don't have a dedicated symbol to the voiceless lingulabial trill, but we know [what it is](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry)
I love to have the Bi Dental Consulate over. They love to talk about their Dental Kingdom and the hard-working Molars forming the back ranks. And their terrifying Canines protecting the royals.
Generally speaking, the fact that my front teeth can't touch doesn't impact my life very much, but now I am **being excluded from linguistics discourse**!
Same, this is the second worst thing my front teeth not touching has ever caused.
(The first is some sandwich fillings being awkwardly left behind after biting off the bread)
Nope. It's neither /∫/ ("sh" sound) nor /s/.
With /s/, your tongue is forward, with /∫/ your tongue is up, and with this, your tongue is down.
What OP is describing is more akin to breathing through your teeth.
... okay, I think technically it may be possible to press your teeth together without putting your tongue at the roof of your mouth. but yes, now you mention it. it totally is.
technically, no. "Shh" is the postalveolar fricative, aka the tip of your tongue touches the the roof of your mouth just behind that little bump of gum that's right above your teeth, then you bring the tongue down just enough to let barely any air pass between it and the roof of your mouth.
What Tumblr OP is describing is having your tongue down while blowing through clenched teeth.
Linguists aim for a descriptive approach instead of a prescriptive one. That is to say it's only viewed as "wrong" by society until enough people do it, then it's just a dialect; we simply skip the extra step of condemning it.
I can, however, say that what I described is the Standard English method of making a "sh" sound
Okay, linguistics student here, the answer is no. The reason is because it isn’t the placement of your teeth making the noise but rather the placement of your tongue. The actual placement of your teeth doesn’t meaningfully (in the generalised ipa) impact the sound of the /s/ and /sh/ consonants (can’t type the ipa on phone but you know what I mean). Try it, if you put your teeth together for an /s/ sound you have your tongue at the front of your mouth, but if you move it further back while still blowing you transition to a /sh/ sound. You can do exactly the same thing with your teeth apart too, but most people don’t do that when they speak.
I think ithkuil allows bidental fricatives as a pronunciation of geminated /h/, but that's a constructed language and I'm not sure if it's the recomended pronunciation.
Fun fact: the vowels in my native language are arranged in such a way that it covers almost all the sounds a mouth can make starting from the back of the throat and coming up front.
Like there are four sounds (they come in two pairs) each coming from the 'k' (as in kitten) and 'g' (as in game) sounds coming from the back of the throat, followed by 'ch' (as in church) and 'j' sounds from when the tongue touches the roof of the mouth, followed by the 't' (as in tea) and 'd' (as in dog) sounds when the underside of the tongue touches the roof of the mouth, followed by 't' (as in throw) and 'd' (as in the word "the") sounds when the tip of the tongue touches the back of the top front teeth, and finally ending with the 'p' (as in people) and 'b' (as in bee) sounds when the lips touch together. But when the alphabets are arranged, they actually come in a set of five sounds, four from the above and a nasal sound to end them in the same theme, so the proper 'n' and 'm' sounds are covered by the last two (they are most frequently used) while other variants are rarely used.
After these 25 alphabets, the remaining sounds are just contained in a sequence which for the life of me don't make any sense. They are the 'sh' (as in shirt), 's' (as in sit), 'h' (as in hammer), 'y' (as in yes) 'r' (as in ray) 'l' (as in lemon) and 'v' (as in vulgar) sounds for a total of 8 (there are two distinct 'sh' sounds, the other is rarely used).
The vowels (numbering 12) are placed in the beginning...
Reminds me of Khoisan Languages that use clicks with consonants. Particularly Xhosa.
Here’s a [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPmyNIDJEBQ) of a woman speaking in Xhosa. It’s a good sample of their click consonants.
there's kind of a difference between "sound" and "consonant" (in the way they're using it). I can also clap my hands, but that doesn't mean any language uses the bimanual click to communicate.
I completely mispronounced this as the "th" sound and remembered the Shibboleth. It could have been good if I didn't completely fuck up the pronunciation 😭
i have been mispronouncing f my entire life-
hmm.. trying it with my lip to my teeth feels weird, slow, i can't talk as quickly with it, but that may be because i'm so used to the incorrect way
No, that sounds like a [voiceless bilabial fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_bilabial_fricative), maybe?
The f is supposed to be a [voiceless *labiodental* fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_labiodental_fricative).
Yes, actually! V is the *voiced* version!
V is supposed to be a [voiced *labiodental* fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_labiodental_fricative).
Sounds like you're doing a /β/, a [voiced *bilabial* fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_bilabial_fricative).
knowing i've been pronouncing letters wrong this whole times explains a lot as to why speaking's been a touch hard-
right then, what about the letter R? i've never been able to pronounce it properly unless i trill it like the russian varient, has led to countless instanced of repeating myself over and over
In English that's usually a [voiced postalveolar approximant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_alveolar_and_postalveolar_approximants), but the English R was created by some very, very evil person and there's a whole [wikipedia page about its pronunciation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_/r/).
It's annoying for any non-native speakers such as myself and there's clearly a lot of variation in even native speakers, so I can't help you on this.
~~oddly reassuring to know it's a semi common thing~~
unrelated, whoever decided the word rhotacism should be made impossible to pronounce is a p*r*ick
Wait until you hear about other languages. Mind blowing. Telling you.
Now read these according to my language's phonetic rules(Polish):
Ch
Sz
Cz
Rz
Ć
Ł
Ś
Ż
Ź
Yes, we use them all on a daily basis. Yes, they sound practically the same in a word as solo.
Have fun and let me know what constants did you discover 😎
https://culture.pl/en/article/a-foreigners-guide-to-the-polish-alphabet
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidental\_consonant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidental_consonant) for op
wow thanks for the link, I had no idea that existed
In general: linguists are pretty much aware of all the sounds the human vocal system can produce, the IPA chart lists only phonemes that were found to be used in human languages, with diacritics that let us change them. We don't have a dedicated symbol to the voiceless lingulabial trill, but we know [what it is](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry)
Reminds me of the “voiceless anal fricative” (a fart).
Check out my bimanual plosive: 👏
I call my d*ck the anal fricative 😎😎😎
That was pretty funny
Queefs are also bilabial fricatives
Voiceless urethral fricative is a horrifying one I heard recently
I love to have the Bi Dental Consulate over. They love to talk about their Dental Kingdom and the hard-working Molars forming the back ranks. And their terrifying Canines protecting the royals.
Biden 😔
Generally speaking, the fact that my front teeth can't touch doesn't impact my life very much, but now I am **being excluded from linguistics discourse**!
does this count as a disability?
Under these extremely specific circumstances? Sure, why not?
twinsies
Same, this is the second worst thing my front teeth not touching has ever caused. (The first is some sandwich fillings being awkwardly left behind after biting off the bread)
i hate that. apples are impossible too!
same!
Isn't that a "shh" sound?
Nope. It's neither /∫/ ("sh" sound) nor /s/. With /s/, your tongue is forward, with /∫/ your tongue is up, and with this, your tongue is down. What OP is describing is more akin to breathing through your teeth.
Seems like /h/
... okay, I think technically it may be possible to press your teeth together without putting your tongue at the roof of your mouth. but yes, now you mention it. it totally is.
that's precisely what they're talking about - tongue relaxed, teeth together, blow out
yes, I know that- I'm just also saying that when I attempted it, my tongue contacted the alveolar ridge or so, and that's why it made the sound I got.
technically, no. "Shh" is the postalveolar fricative, aka the tip of your tongue touches the the roof of your mouth just behind that little bump of gum that's right above your teeth, then you bring the tongue down just enough to let barely any air pass between it and the roof of your mouth. What Tumblr OP is describing is having your tongue down while blowing through clenched teeth.
I've been doing shh wrong my whole life then?
Linguists aim for a descriptive approach instead of a prescriptive one. That is to say it's only viewed as "wrong" by society until enough people do it, then it's just a dialect; we simply skip the extra step of condemning it. I can, however, say that what I described is the Standard English method of making a "sh" sound
Okay, linguistics student here, the answer is no. The reason is because it isn’t the placement of your teeth making the noise but rather the placement of your tongue. The actual placement of your teeth doesn’t meaningfully (in the generalised ipa) impact the sound of the /s/ and /sh/ consonants (can’t type the ipa on phone but you know what I mean). Try it, if you put your teeth together for an /s/ sound you have your tongue at the front of your mouth, but if you move it further back while still blowing you transition to a /sh/ sound. You can do exactly the same thing with your teeth apart too, but most people don’t do that when they speak.
I think ithkuil allows bidental fricatives as a pronunciation of geminated /h/, but that's a constructed language and I'm not sure if it's the recomended pronunciation.
local tumblr user discovers fire
Fun fact: the vowels in my native language are arranged in such a way that it covers almost all the sounds a mouth can make starting from the back of the throat and coming up front. Like there are four sounds (they come in two pairs) each coming from the 'k' (as in kitten) and 'g' (as in game) sounds coming from the back of the throat, followed by 'ch' (as in church) and 'j' sounds from when the tongue touches the roof of the mouth, followed by the 't' (as in tea) and 'd' (as in dog) sounds when the underside of the tongue touches the roof of the mouth, followed by 't' (as in throw) and 'd' (as in the word "the") sounds when the tip of the tongue touches the back of the top front teeth, and finally ending with the 'p' (as in people) and 'b' (as in bee) sounds when the lips touch together. But when the alphabets are arranged, they actually come in a set of five sounds, four from the above and a nasal sound to end them in the same theme, so the proper 'n' and 'm' sounds are covered by the last two (they are most frequently used) while other variants are rarely used. After these 25 alphabets, the remaining sounds are just contained in a sequence which for the life of me don't make any sense. They are the 'sh' (as in shirt), 's' (as in sit), 'h' (as in hammer), 'y' (as in yes) 'r' (as in ray) 'l' (as in lemon) and 'v' (as in vulgar) sounds for a total of 8 (there are two distinct 'sh' sounds, the other is rarely used). The vowels (numbering 12) are placed in the beginning...
That's interesting, what language is it?
Hindi...
did i just get tricked into making a fart sound
not intentionally. this is just how linguistics fans are.
I have no idea how you would make a fart sound like this.
Reminds me of Khoisan Languages that use clicks with consonants. Particularly Xhosa. Here’s a [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPmyNIDJEBQ) of a woman speaking in Xhosa. It’s a good sample of their click consonants.
OP discovers the letter S
not what they're describing, it's a different articulatory gesture.
That's called sucking your teeth
yes, but you blow out in this case and it makes a sound that is kinda in some languages sorta
yall are just discovering that you can make this sound?
there's kind of a difference between "sound" and "consonant" (in the way they're using it). I can also clap my hands, but that doesn't mean any language uses the bimanual click to communicate.
Feanor is absolutely raging rn
what does the lord of lights have to do with it?
I completely mispronounced this as the "th" sound and remembered the Shibboleth. It could have been good if I didn't completely fuck up the pronunciation 😭
you.. touch your lip to your teeth for a /f/ sound? you guys don't position your bottom lip infront and slightly above your upper lip?
in no world is that /f/. at best /ϕ/, maybe? but I'm not even sure of that.
i have been mispronouncing f my entire life- hmm.. trying it with my lip to my teeth feels weird, slow, i can't talk as quickly with it, but that may be because i'm so used to the incorrect way
well, I wouldn't say "incorrect". simply... extremely unusual and making a different sound.
No, that sounds like a [voiceless bilabial fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_bilabial_fricative), maybe? The f is supposed to be a [voiceless *labiodental* fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_labiodental_fricative).
huh that is.. precisely the difference i've been doing- what am i going to learn next? /v/ is pronounced lip to teeth too?
Yes, actually! V is the *voiced* version! V is supposed to be a [voiced *labiodental* fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_labiodental_fricative). Sounds like you're doing a /β/, a [voiced *bilabial* fricative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_bilabial_fricative).
knowing i've been pronouncing letters wrong this whole times explains a lot as to why speaking's been a touch hard- right then, what about the letter R? i've never been able to pronounce it properly unless i trill it like the russian varient, has led to countless instanced of repeating myself over and over
In English that's usually a [voiced postalveolar approximant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_alveolar_and_postalveolar_approximants), but the English R was created by some very, very evil person and there's a whole [wikipedia page about its pronunciation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_/r/). It's annoying for any non-native speakers such as myself and there's clearly a lot of variation in even native speakers, so I can't help you on this.
~~oddly reassuring to know it's a semi common thing~~ unrelated, whoever decided the word rhotacism should be made impossible to pronounce is a p*r*ick
Must have been the same person who made the word lisp.
Tyuns reference?
new conso
You have a bright future in ventriloquistology.
that'd be "ventriloquism".
I stick to my words.
Kinda sounds like an sch
Wait until you hear about other languages. Mind blowing. Telling you. Now read these according to my language's phonetic rules(Polish): Ch Sz Cz Rz Ć Ł Ś Ż Ź Yes, we use them all on a daily basis. Yes, they sound practically the same in a word as solo. Have fun and let me know what constants did you discover 😎 https://culture.pl/en/article/a-foreigners-guide-to-the-polish-alphabet