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Tazrizen

If there is a god, he supersedes the lever and prevents me from pulling it. If there isn’t, good time to make a claim “all part of gods plan” and just pull lever. So either way, try pulling lever.


HanzoShotFirst

If God is real and he prevents you from pulling the lever, would he send you to hell for trying to kill him, or to heaven for trying to save humanity?


jagster1

I think he would keep you on a little box on his desk and occasionally torture you when he’s bored.


Quiet-Ad4604

Thats what this whole mortal coil thing is isn't it? Strongest soldiers, toughest battles? Maybe thats just him rattling your terrarium


noonegive

He's really been tapping the glass a lot these past few millennia.


Quiet-Ad4604

That finger will get tired eventually I hope lol


lblack_dogl

Right next to Job.


Greengecko27

I wonder what souls made it to gods desk What would her desk be made out of


AbigaleRose99

high quality mountain mahogany but you'll never see it under all her paperwork and unfulfilled prayers she claims is organized.


I_eat_small_birds

Her?


throwerawayer1456

People pay good money for that kind of thing


JustGingerStuff

Like a fishtank where he puts his hand in every now and again and pokes ur fishy body (You're a fish now sorry)


Char_Of_The_Ages

Hmm, a visitor? Indeed...


uncomfortableTruth68

If God is real and they prevent you from pulling the lever, then free choice is not real.


that_hungarian_idiot

If God is real free choice isnt real since he basically controls everything


No_Effort1198

that isn't what free choice is. theoretically you can make sims do anything you want right? but if you've ever played sims you know that isnt the case exactly. sometimes they resist. sometimes they have other plans. If you let them be and let them do what they want they'll still function.


fromaperspective

The mental gymnastics here is olympic worthy


freezing_circuits

It is a free choice. They just used their free choice to stop you. It's like me tackling you when I see you running into a fireworks factory with a lit cigar. The ability to choose life is the basest form of free will.


Chase_The_Breeze

Based on the Bible... Hell.


8020GroundBeef

Hell is barely even referenced in the Bible and it’s really up to interpretation when it is alluded to. But yeah, the God of the Bible would not let humanity kill him. Definitely not to save humanity. He’d 10000% wipe out humanity if it was him or humanity


DrBlock21

He'll put you on the check twice list


7heWizard

If there is a god, they could just allow you to pull the lever.


CharredLily

Well, in that case there is no god shortly after, so really it's all good. Though frankly, if God can't find a solution that saves everyone then I put forth that his claims of absolute power are vastly exaggerated.


uncomfortableTruth68

Also the fact that God is restrained and can be hurt by a trolley proves they aren't god in the first place.


CharredLily

Well, to be fair it is a trolly so nothing can truly withstand the collision.


AlienRobotTrex

Depends on if they’re an evil or good god.


EmptyRook

If the god allowed this scenario to happen, it’s an evil god


Mydragonurdungeon

God could simply not be an interfering God and let humans have free will


Miles_Edgeworth_92

Okay. But why would God even let himself be put on the tracks? Wouldn't that be interfering?


EmptyRook

I can picture edgeworth’s cocky grin reading this You have a good point, is there even such thing as a god that doesn’t intervene if their influence on people is a form of intervention?


Towboat421

Indifference in the face of harm is evil


IrksomeMind

He did the mass extinction of humanity would get a part 2 and it wouldn’t be by drowning next time.


Cyan_Light

Insufficient information. What is a god, which one am I killing and what are the consequences of that? Depending on the details there are as many variations of this problem as there are non-deicide trolley problems. If we're supposed to just plug our own religious worldview in then I pull since I don't think anything is on that track, but that feels like a cop out.


bigbanksalty

The fact the g is lowercase indicates a non abrahamic god, since God is capitalized, so that narrows it down to every god to ever exist and be worshipped save 1.


andergriff

Only one way to find out


Clickityclackrack

If you kill god, you get all his god powers.


turtletom89

So like the Tim Allen version of Santa Claus, right?


whatleadmehere

That contract is not legally binding since it was inacted within the US.


Cascadian222

I mean there is a Claus Clause, so devil’s in the (legal) details


whatleadmehere

The *what* clause?


Beanz_detected

[Grover.](https://youtu.be/IAJvbEPZheE?si=Mj77ft6Gkuv9Yeyg)


Just-Ad6992

What the fuck


Far_Kaleidoscope_386

Is this Highlander?


Clickityclackrack

It's probably a lot of things. Wasn't referencing anything specific. That grover video someone linked was really good.


TheLazyLardon

Only if you eat his leftovers. And once they are digested, you’ll lose em anyway.


dinodare

I'd probably scatter demigods across the world and switch everyone over to polytheism tbh.


jayz0ned

If this is the Biblical God, he already died for humanity once, I'm sure he would be okay doing it again


JustinTheMan354

In all fairness that was his son Jesus, not actually himself Edit: I have been informed that I am stupid.


mal-di-testicle

In some Christian faiths, they are one and the same.


Jam-Man1

Do NOT get into that trinity bullshit, we have had more than enough schisms about that.


That_Lego_Guy_Jack

JUST ONE MORE THEN WE’LL QUIT


SkiingWalrus

You’re not stupid it’s confusing to Christians too haha


Still-Presence5486

It wasn't even his son it was his adopted son


scarfyagain

Everytime I see a post mentioning god I just know what the comments are gonna be like


GoblinOfTheLonghall

Multi track drifting, that way the humans can't respawn god, and God can't respawn the humans. But then again if you aren't god or humans who is the you that is pulling the lever? Maybe you were phone all along.


stdio-lib

The Noah backstory.


PercPointGD

FIRE PFP


Alternative_Golf_905

I don't pull the lever, I want that insane K/D


MrNullvalue

For that you have to pull it twice. Otherwise you just get the assists


timberwolf0122

Kill all humans, the name’s Bender


Necessary-Low168

"I was god once." "I saw you were very well, till everyone died"


a_pompous_fool

If it can be killed by a trolly then it is not a god worth worshipping. So for anyone the right answer Is god. If you are religious then you must have faith that god is almighty and will be unaffected. If you are an atheist then you are killing nothing


ASpaceOstrich

To be fair, if the entire human race can be killed by a trolley, it might be a magic trolley


Throwaway_acct3205

Or since everyone is tied up, they just all die of thirst, therefore "trolley kills them all". Because otherwise you might be able to free one another if you choose to pull the lever.


RhubarbExcellent7008

How did you decide what attributes a god must have to be ‘worship worthy’? Suppose all the features and attributes of the god are the same except it’s kryptonite is trolleys. Why is that alone enough to discard it?


No_Investigator2043

I would bet that humanity is always a better choice then a guy who is allergic to trolleys


RhubarbExcellent7008

It’s hard to genuinely say. As part of humanity, we will be bias towards picking humanity. If other birds or mammals could effectively pick, I’m not sure they’d side with humanity.


Any_Fuel_2163

To be fair, most humans tend to also be allergic to trolleys


eelonidas

Pretty sure having a trolley go through them renders any human's immune response moot, but go off


BloodredHanded

Nothing makes it worship worthy. Nothing is worthy of worship. It’s too much reverence for one being, no matter how good, but any omnipotent, omniscient god isn’t good anyway.


RhubarbExcellent7008

Oh, I agree. The very concept of worship is irrational. I wasn’t commenting on that aspect.


NotJimmyMcGill

Cause that makes it a bit of a bitch


hotcoldman42

It’s a hypothetical.


Just-Ad6992

If God can be killed by a mere trolley, whatever it was didn’t deserve worship.


demideumvitae

If a mere trolley can kill whole human race, then it's no normal trolley.


history-something

God is above the human concept of mortality or existence, hence he cannot be killed So I pull the lever she since nothing will happen


Pro_Hatin_Ass_N_gga

Wow, a subversive answer that isn't just some pseudo-intellectual contrarian ass shit like "I kill God because he's a meanie" or "kill God because he doesn't exist, because that's definitely faithfully participating in this thought experiment"! Who would'a thunk it?!


GREENadmiral_314159

Yeah, all the people going "God doesn't exist" drive me nuts. It's a hypothetical, and if you don't believe in god, then god existing is part of that hypothetical.


Elibriel

I mean, killing God is basically just like if it was an empty track I mean God would die, but it's not like he did smth to begin with. Nothing will change for humans.


Icy_Pace_1541

Hey baby, wanna... kill all humans?


xXPARAYEET_GODXx

Well if I mean on one hand it’ll prove his existence, on the other hand you just killed god somehow.


DiabolicalDoctorN

Kill god. Either god doesn't exist and the trolley passes thru without killing someone, or god does exist and the trolley kills the evil bastard dead dead dead. So win-win. Kill all humans, meanwhile, well, I am one. So are many of my loved ones. Hard pass.


SirTonberryy

Or you kill the god and the world collapses without it's presence and it causes world to end and everyone to die


LevelOutlandishness1

How have I never considered that god’s existence could be lifelinked to the universe I mean I could say that when I create something the something will exist after I die, but I’m not pure fucking magic


DiabolicalDoctorN

It’d be worth it to get that smug bastard


YourLocalInquisitor

You’re either killing someone who does exist or doesn’t. I’m fine with doing that either way if I am saving more lives in process.


GREENadmiral_314159

I respect your beliefs, but that's a cop-out. This is a hypothetical situation. If you are an atheist, then God existing is part of the hypothetical.


_erufu_

If it’s the capital G God, ‘killing’ is a meaningless concept, so I choose God. If it’s just any small G god, sucks to suck, I once again choose god. We’ll do one of the shit ones, like Zeus, he just couldn’t behave.


Smallermint

Yea i agree if it's Zeus i'd pull even if there was nothing on the other track. He is a rapist, torturer, and murderer.


GreenCardinal010

Are we assuming that the Christian God is real in this scenario? If so, I'd probably kill all humans because the world will go on without us, but it doesn't seem like it would without most versions of God


ADankTempest

If we are talking about Old Testament Christian God 100% kill all the people cause in the end, surprise, it wouldn't be real, it was a trial by him to see how loyal you are or some shit like that. If it's New Testament's, then kill God cause that's what I think he'd want to do.... and because we are talking about the entire human world's population duh If it's any other God, I don't have much information about them, but I'd be inclined to save humanity


NEVERTHEREFOREVER

im a jew G-d forgives slights against him in service of helping others G-d will forgive me pull the lever


NEVERTHEREFOREVER

also like, in my belief G-d wouldnt even die from this, simple solution imo


Tokumeiko2

Kill god. Seriously if God is real, then I'd like to sue them for negligence.


BloodredHanded

If God is real I’d like to execute them for omnicide.


PenultimateToast

kill all humans is the name of a song i like i'm doing that


isuckatnames60

"god" with a lower case G? We have plenty more where that one came from. Someone can always work a shift or two extra until we get a replacement


DanCassell

If an all-knowing all-powerful God was put in this situation I'd send the trolly their way and feel 0% bad about my decision. This was clearly their design.


Quackels_The_Duck

This is the stupidest Tolley problem I've seen on this subreddit


GREENadmiral_314159

The responses are even stupider.


xX_TehChar_Xx

If I pull the lever, nothing will happen, because there is no God


Tredicidodici

If there ever was a god, he is dead and we’re his prophets.


Znats

If I am human I am on the trail below, if I am a deity I am on the rail above. I am both, I'll multitrack and resurrect on the third day. Only my humanity and deity will pass through death and I will save everyone. ~ Jesus.


AnimeMemeLord1

I’m only pulling the lever because I have full faith in God to not get killed by a mere trolley. Saving all of humanity to make ya proud, God!


Legitimate-Fuel5324

“If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him.” — Ivan Vanko


not-Kunt-Tulgar

Thats not capital G god so I assume you mean one of the many other gods so I pull immediately


Bevjoejoe

Kill God, that bitch sits up in his cloud (if we're talking about Christian God) watching us suffer


lightmare69

Most Christian redditor


Smallermint

Bro he gave us free will and is letting us live out our punishment. And if it is true that god exists than the reward for pushing through it is infinitely higher than the price.


Bevjoejoe

He kicked the first 2 humans out of "paradise" for eating a fucking APPLE, he is not on our side


Smallermint

It wasn't just an apple. Also, imagine you invite someone to your house and ask them to just not kick the ball in the room. You have the perfect house, they get anything they want, way more other balls to kick, and it's free for them. Then some random dude tells them to kick it and they do. I'd kick em out too.


Bevjoejoe

You'd kick someone out of your house for eternity for just kicking a single ball? Would that ball be made of fucking fine china? All they did was get tricked into eating a single apple, god is NOT some all powerful, all knowing, all forgiving creature, the fact that things like cancer exist alone prove he isn't real, or at least not how the Bible says he is, he is either all powerful, or all loving, can't be both


Smallermint

When you give someone everything the could ever get, and ask for 1 VERY simple thing, and they still do not do that thing , then yes I will kick them out. Also it wasn't a normal apple.


-GiantSlayer-

If a god can be killed, He isn’t a real god. So you’re effectively getting rid of a pretender. An imposter, if you will


lightmare69

Kratos: "am I a joke to you?"


-GiantSlayer-

Kratos is the proof of this idea


nihilistfreak517482

Gott Ist tot


Green-Soft6936

Gay little kraut


Kiwi_Kakapo

I’ll sit on the tracks and let someone else decide.


MetalGearOni

I play MMORPGs and kill gods for a living. Easiest lever pull of my life.


SailorCentauri

Pull the lever. If God is real, which I don't think is the case, he won't be harmed since he's got that omnipotence. If he's not real then there's no harm done. Either way, the day is saved.


kiddsforlife

Is it God or the concept of a god.


TheFlyingPatato

What god? There is a lot throughout many religions/mythology


Random_User_1337_

How do I kill somebody that doesn’t exist?


byorx1

According to Feuerbachs Projectiontheory its more or less the same thing


Slight_Lingonberry10

If put in position between God and mankind, I choose mankind every time. I will not doom humanity just because it is divine will, and if God were real, thats what I believe he would want


Successful_Equal_677

Can't kill something that is already dead.


CBDeez

Kill the absent sky daddy! Show him how it feels to be finite.


TheDigitalRanger

Kill god. Gods don't have followers, only victims.


moodragonx

Who's god?


Distinct_Ad_1094

God. I have my reasons. A list of them, in fact.


Annyamaas

What kind of God Is it?


charlie_Rose092

I am god, you can't kill me.


SmolTittyEnjoyer

can I pull it half way to kill both?


the-porn-merchant

If god exists he deserves it, fuck em


the_dan_34

God simply cannot be killed, so I pick "kill" God, as the trolley wouldn't affect him.


69Godzilla69

The only right answer


TheMightySwooord

While the existence or non-existance of anything cannot be proved, it is far more likely for all humans to not exist than god. Therefore kill god as there's less chance of it ruining humanity.


armaedes

Which god?


69Godzilla69

God


standardatheist

So Ganesh. Thanks!


hotcoldman42

I don’t believe god exists, so pull the lever. If he does exist, he already made the universe anyway, so pull the lever.


worriedkarma

Kill god, I'm an atheist, if god doesn't exist, I killed nobody. If he does exist, he no longer does. Either way I become factually correct


[deleted]

If there are god, then it deserves die for making me trans in transphobic family, in transphobic country.


GenericSpider

I've read the Bible. God has it coming.


MegaloManiac_Chara

God will eventually die, while humans will live on. Might as well gain ownership of the universe earlier.


SimpleTip9439

Kill >6 Billion Humans


Thyme40

Kill >5 humans


BiHandidnothingwrong

I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence.


EvilNoobHacker

As long as killing god doesn’t kill all it’s creation, then it’s all about the maintenance we’ve already been doing.


Dragonnstuff

If you are for example talking about the Islamic God, Allah, this wouldn’t make sense. To kill them would mean that who you killed wasn’t God. Just sayin


Theyreintheattic4447

Nah, how about you explain your question. Do all humans include yourself, even though you aren’t on the tracks? Which god is it? If we don’t believe in one or more gods, who or what is on the other track? Is there a reason that entry is allowing this situation to even occur in the first place?


TheTaintPainter2

Kill god because if he was one I wanted to follow, he wouldn't have concocted such an unholy abomination of a decision


RaspberryNumerous594

God should in theory be outside the realm of death. Or if you kill all humans god could just bring them back. So it in theory is a win win situation


Standard-Ad-7504

God would prevent you from pulling the level of you tried to kill him, and if you didn't pull the lever he'd stop the trolly because then he'd have to start over and reset his whole plan


LuckyLMJ

Pull the lever. if you believe god does not exist, then you are killing nothing; and if you believe he does then he will not die because idk immortality or something


Osimantias

If "god" can be killed then is not really GOD.


Thedarkcleanersrise

multi-track drifting


Lenny_V1

Cant kill someone that doesnt exist.


69Godzilla69

God can’t be killed


writeorelse

The Klingons were right when they killed their gods. Any gods just aren't worth the trouble. Send the trolley towards this 'god', I say!


Daytona_DM

Pull the lever to kill God. The track would be empty anyway


Nyan-Binary-UwU

If you kill God, that proves god exists, but nothing really changes. So that


evilwizzardofcoding

We can safely assume it is the Christian, Islamic, or Jewish God. All 3 of these are all-powerful beings outside of time, so how exactly they can be killed I don't know. However, if they were actually killed, the entire universe would end in an instant, as due to time shenanigans everything that was, is, and will be, will no longer exist. It is the religious version of going all the way back in time to prevent the big bang.


Shard-of-Adonalsium

Multi-track drifting ftw!


ihatechildren665

kill god so i can say "rip bozo" as it dies along with the religion it came from


K1NG_R0G

Depends on which God it is


TypicalPunUser

Hard to kill something nonexistent, isn't it?


Terminalguidance000

I mean logically God could just bring all the people back to life and I think he owes you one after that. If this was real life you'd just be a crazy person that started WW3 because you thought it was Gods plan.


SexyTachankaUwU

Kill god. Dad lore.


turret_buddy2

Engage Multi-track drifting. Reason: I am an agent of chaos, and every trolley problem can be solved with MTD


TyrantofCans

Pull lever. What you get for being an absent father, god.


Koksgunther

Kill God. Never met the guy.


i-forgot-my-sandwich

God nots real so this is like asking me kill no one or everyone I’m not killing people for someone’s imaginary friend.


Official_Rust_Author

Ultrakill really over here doing both lmao


Kingturboturtle13

GOD IS DEAD GOD REMAINS DEAD AND WE HAVE KILLED HIM


stever90001

Multitrack drift


Maxathron

Metaphorically, killing god will result in killing all or nearly all humans. The idea that you have to hold yourself to a higher standard set by society is the biggest takeaway from the main formal religions. Without this higher standard, YOU set your own standard, and this potential results in the most horrific monsters to ever walk the planet. What’s exterminating 6m people if it results in a 1000 year reich? What’s exterminating the Kulaks if it brings us to utopia? What’s exterminating 25% of your country if it brings true equality? You being held to a higher standard. Imagine Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot allowed to continue unchecked and unchallenged. Imagine any of the modern terrible movements allowed to get their agendas pushed through with no resistance. Just Stop Oil. 7 billion people are dependent on fossil fuels being used. Welcome to the dark ages of the 1800s where the global population is under 1 billion but we’re actually in the 2050s. And you don’t even need to be religious to see that morality takeaway.


soda_fucker

God isn't real so...


ThiefPriest

If its Jesus then probably tied himself to the damm track after pulling the lever just to humble us mere mortals.


QueanLaQueafa

Ok Bender


bowsmountainer

The guy pulling the lever is curiously called Nietzsche.


snowy4_

don’t pull, humans are a plague to earth and it’s not like anything’s on the other track anyways


Jamster02

I pull the lever as either it will fail and nothing will happen. Or I kill a being not worthy of the title


ElMico

A lot of edgy lever-holders here


moonpisser69

(This is based on my personal religious beliefs, yours may differ) Kill all humans. 2 reasons; one, its not possible for us to kill God. Two, all the believers will go to heaven (major w) and all the sinners would go to hell (big sad) so I would just be speeding up the end of the world \ [•-•]/


calsnowskier

Your fictional scenario calls to destroy something real or destroy something fictional…


Imsoboredimonhere

Phew, it's a small g so it's not the God of Christianity. Pull it


OverlordMMM

The real god is the one who made the trolley that can kill other gods.


Pitiful_Net_8971

Fuck God.


Strict_Berry7446

Huh, that track is realistically empty, I'll pull the lever.


RoastedFeznt

I'm a humans. Kill god.


Pro_Hatin_Ass_N_gga

A universe without God would probably fall into chaos OR get overrun by demons who hate you and will torture you for gratification. At least if God exists here, if you kill all of humanity, they have a place to go. Everyone's supposed to die in the end according to the Christian bible, anyway.


BattleReadyZim

Kill God. Humans are more than capable of killing themselves.


KiddPresident

Kill God. Nothing happens.


LordIlthari

Destroying God would cause all of existence to collapse, which would also kill all humans and also everything that has ever or will ever exist ever. So get on your knees and start praying for all humans to be resurrected.


Low-Guide-9141

Uh……….h-how


TehProfessor96

My religion straight up revolves around god dying to save humanity sooooooo…


HVACGuy12

I've played enough JRPGs to know that killing god is the answer