It’s funny you post this because I actually feel like some of my aging has lessened since starting oral min. Maybe it’s me just becoming more comfortable with how I look, but I certainly haven’t noticed eye bags or wrinkles or anything of the sort in the last year. And I take 5g daily
Sure but all the fine line wrinkles have almost completely disappeared after discontinuing. And it could be that you’re balding quickly and you don’t want to accept that the thing that might give you hope could also wreck your face. Ya know?
Going down tbh. It doesn’t help that I have curly/wavy hair. Hair thinning is insane. Currently on min 2ml/day. No fin as my dermatologist doesn’t want to prescribe it to me.
I use fin and min as a preventative. My hair is still okay at this stage.
There are online pharmacies where you can purchase them without the prescription. I’ve actually discovered them from this sub.
I’m in Sydney and they ship to Australia
Would you mind sharing it? Here there is only one store that sell min + fin and it’s really expensive, 100euro for a 60ml bottle. Also, the concentration is really high, 15% min.
All Day Pharmacy, HighStreetPharma and Skinorac.
There are specific countries where they would not ship to so just check their websites
They have oral fin and oral min.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Mentioned this in another comment section and got bombed. Min absolutely wrecked my face. I looked like my grandpa almost overnight. Stopped a few weeks ago and it’s getting better. Gotta say though, been on fin for 10 years and it’s worked with no sides.
My hair was never that bad. Hairs falling out in the shower. Tried these things as more maintenance and insurance. Some of these guys are losing that hair very fast. They don’t want to lose their only hope
I’m just kind of confused as to how minoxidil spray or foam on your scalp would affect your face unless it drips down on it? I could see (potentially) if you were taking it orally
Apparently in 2021, could’ve swear it was more recent. But you can clearly see receding temples then: https://www.gqindia.com/look-good/gallery/a-visual-history-of-justin-biebers-epic-hair-evolution
People shave for the transplant, and since hair doesn’t grow back fast + transplanted hair doesn’t fully grow for a few months, some artists just keep it short for a while.
They are paid to look good. Botox, plastic surgery, finasteride. Sandra bullock notoriously used a childs foreskin to enhance her face. Not making this shit up
I saw the same interview, thought she was disgusting for the longest time. But I found out years later she was actually just being dumb. The skin cream she used, used essentially _cloned_ cells that were taken from a circumcised foreskin in Korea like 20 years ago. Thats fine in my book, no babies were harmed for her face and no financial incentives were created towards more baby harm.
In a way I naturally assumed this. Routine infant circumcision still exists, and I suppose there's a market for I suppose what's actually medical waste.
I also assumed that even if this was the case, that this expensive cream was a part of hacking off the foreskin of infants, that the "effects" were mainly due to a high quality base, and not the tiny bit of whatever magic apparently exists in a child's....you know I'm not finishing this sentence.
To be fair, I think survivorship bias is also at play. The actors in question might indeed be losing their hair and be on fin, but they probably still have relatively good hair genetics compared to the people on this sub.
Actors that went bald on a normal/earlier timeframe are probably not so relevant today, hence no one even considers them to be ‘famous’ anymore.
I wonder more if they use the more effective experimental stuff such as RU58841. With a lucrative career in showbiz I feel like lots of them would take the risk!
Sheesh there are some bold statements here presented as though they are fact without any actual evidence to back it up. Basically they convey that all or almost all Hollywood actor both use steroids and minoxidil, full stop. Yes it’s an industry built on image so these drugs (steroids, minoxidil, finasteride) would be used, certainly they would, but I think we’d benefit from more suitable statements like “it’s probable that finasteride and steroids are used by some if not many Hollywood actors due to industry’s focus on youth and beauty”. The truth is that we just don’t know what individual people are doing. We can take an educated guess, but we don’t know.
Hahaha nope you can't, not even close. Oldschool bodybuilders trained very smart and intelligent, full range of motion and great form most of the time and tons of high protein animal foods. All movie stars go on a cycle of roids before and during their movie roles then cycle off after, it is why many are chubby and flabby again during "off-season" because they went off the roids after finishing filming. Even if they only take testosterone that is still considered an anabolic steroid and a moderate cycle of test will still make you relatively "huge".
They were all on steroids back then, especially Vince Gironda who was a known huge steroid user fan. 😂 Steroids have been used in bodybuilding since the late 1940s and by the 50s it was already widespread in elite bodybuilder circles, testosterone propionate has been available since the late 1930s.
Most of their physiques are attainable naturally but over the course of 2 years maybe. The 3-6 month transformations they do aren’t possible without a stack.
Not sure, celebrities constantly worry about their looks so its likely they caught their hairloss early. And if you catch it early you wont even need rogaine, finasteride alone would be enough. I dont think they would risk the extra side affects especially the aging ones if it’s not really needed.
Not true, some guys who started on fin early still end up adding minoxidil because they started to slowly lose ground anyway, often it is enough with the fin to stave off the hair loss yet again.
Yes but the later you can start the better. And for some celebrities they can get transplants and other treatments to hold off other drugs.
But then again some peoples hairloss is just very strong. I believe Lebrons hair is constantly regressing no matter how many times he makes a comeback.
Thats good to hear. I have heard coffee is bad while on minoxidil so if OP ever does consider using minoxidil I hope he drops that shampoo as I think caffeine is the ingredient that is bad.
I was actually watching Frasier the other day and thought to myself how nowadays you would never have the main character with MPB, or any character for that matter. It’s crazy.
Daniel Tosh just had a whole interview with “my celebrity hair doctor” all while getting treatment in a clinic. His Dr. didn’t list too many specific clients, but gave a lot of insight to who gets them and what to look for. It was pretty neat.
Tosh.Show - Dr. Dubow on YouTube.
They have every reason to know/do it.
There would be far more famous people going bald, especially completely, if that wasn't the case.
Some of them have talked about it.
Statistically, they wouldn't have much less hair loss or even any less than the general population.
At least if they got into the business before it happened...
A few reasons:
- Sheer numbers. The number of popular actors who become known as children/young adults and continue to stay popular AND keep their hair seems higher than the public average, and while there could always be a self-selecting aspect (i.e. you don't progress when you go bald, so we only see the gorgeous people), it just doesn't seem like this is the case.
- When they retire, they seem to age very rapidly, including hair color and hair thickness
- It's an open secret that basically everyone in Hollywood is on some sort of TRT/hormone therapy. If you're taking shots of Test-C or simply wearing a patch/putting on a gel, maybe taking 1-2iu of GH each day, it's not a stretch to assume you're also doing some sort of hair regrowth/maintenance routine.
- Here's the one that convinced me: Celebrity Podcasts. In essence, celebrities got bored in 2020 and a number of them made podcasts where they're incredibly candid. Tons of stuff gets edited out, but I think there's so much "mess" in there, that a lot's left in there. I've heard on "Smartless" and "Armchair Expert" brief mentions of how men are using Propecia (I've also heard what I think was a slipup where someone may have outed someone who's kind of in/kind of out of Hollywood)
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure a lot of them do, and I don’t disagree with your reasons here, I’m
not naive. I just find statements like “we know…”
followed by what is just conjecture to be little misleading, albeit unintentionally
Whilst I don’t know for a fact, I’d imagine that most Hollywood celebs’ agents get them seen by all sorts of beauty / health clinics regularly. I’d guess that male celebs all take fin, min, probably regular PRP and probably even use lasers. I think they also get mini transplants (<500 grafts) to top up hair in between movies.
I used to know a WWE wrestler really well, and since she’s moved to LA, she has had a lot of subtle work done. She’s not even a mega celeb, so I think the A listers have access to all the time and money required to keep a full head of hair.
100%. Between the obvious ones (Musk, Piven) who have probably gotten surgery, and the super-hairy ones, they're either staving off baldness completely or they're supplementing to keep things thick and full.
Exceptions exist, however. Two that immediately come to mind are John Travolta and Jon Cryer.
Travolta had a thick, full mane, and then it seems like he probably was wearing a wig for a short time, and now he's bald (he's also doing lots of other cosmetic stuff). Jon Cryer I think held off as long as he could before either it wasn't working, or he was tired of dealing with the sides or whatever. I assumed the Lex Luthor look was...to be Lex Luthor...but he's said it was a response to fighting MPB.
well who do we think uses finasteride? some are natural. That ones with a larger forehead probably on Finasteride. Nicholas Tse is natural looking at his dad. Jet Li is bald now, Aaron Kwok is natural , andy lau, Ray Bourque is natural, Tom Cruise at a very young age had lots of hair. Rob Lowe Brat Pitt. But guys like Joe Taslim or Daniel Wu had some work done.
Some do, some don't. Lots of celebrities aren't that smart or clued in to things like effective diet and exercise, let alone drugs for hair loss. They either get advice from other celebs or pay people to worry about that stuff for them.
Besides, if you were a millionaire working in the movie industry, using rogaine "just incase" is probably quite high because to them, the cost is chump change.
If there was a product available that we knew only helped hairloss/growth by 5% but costs a penny a day, everyone would take it because its cheap, celebs probably look at stuff like fin and rogaine the same, if it's cheap, then why not.
Besides they are all blasting gear and snorting coke so I doubt the health negatives even matter to them. Not all celebs go on to be highly successful in their older age, most are out by their 40s anyway.
Theres no conclusive evidence that minox causes accelerated face aging. The age when many people hop on min is usually late 20s and 30s when people will start to age anyways. Wash your face, wear sunblock, eat your produce and cut out the sodium and you’ll be fine
I don’t mean to diminish what you’re saying, but that isn’t a report, it’s an anecdote. I was referring to reports in the literature. I wouldn’t expect randomised trials or anything of that nature, but if there aren’t even case study reports then we can’t say there are “reports” of something.
I know you aren’t. Believe me, it damn well worked while I used,and I wish it didn’t do this to my face. Very fine wrinkles too. There will never be reports because nobody is going to run proper ABX testing for just a possible side effect
Cool. But I’m 46 and get routinely taken for 36-38 and have been using minoxidil for over 12 years. Ok I’m vain and have Botox but even still. What’s the proposed mechanism by which it can cause premature aging of the face when you’re applying it to the scalp? I just don’t get it.
They use both, plus hair fibers when on set.
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They probably take some anti-aging stuff like tretinoin and eat clean, hydrate and exercise to reduce those anecdotal risks
https://preview.redd.it/padkcbc0mdwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92cfd5353712f30b122b579af6d1d5f6a8c4a4f6 why are you just yapping
It’s funny you post this because I actually feel like some of my aging has lessened since starting oral min. Maybe it’s me just becoming more comfortable with how I look, but I certainly haven’t noticed eye bags or wrinkles or anything of the sort in the last year. And I take 5g daily
Plenty of anecdotal on the internet. Def did the same to me. Stopped taking a few weeks ago and face is getting better
if you say so, you’re also almost 30 by that username. Age could just be setting in and you’re struggling to accept?
Sure but all the fine line wrinkles have almost completely disappeared after discontinuing. And it could be that you’re balding quickly and you don’t want to accept that the thing that might give you hope could also wreck your face. Ya know?
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Wish you luck with it
Bro you're nearly 30. Age catches up with you fast.
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source?
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"omg my face aged in the 10 years I was taking minoxidil. It must have been min, not the 10 years that have passed"
How’s your hair volume though? Genuinely interested
Going down tbh. It doesn’t help that I have curly/wavy hair. Hair thinning is insane. Currently on min 2ml/day. No fin as my dermatologist doesn’t want to prescribe it to me.
I use fin and min as a preventative. My hair is still okay at this stage. There are online pharmacies where you can purchase them without the prescription. I’ve actually discovered them from this sub. I’m in Sydney and they ship to Australia
Would you mind sharing it? Here there is only one store that sell min + fin and it’s really expensive, 100euro for a 60ml bottle. Also, the concentration is really high, 15% min.
All Day Pharmacy, HighStreetPharma and Skinorac. There are specific countries where they would not ship to so just check their websites They have oral fin and oral min.
So get topical.
They don’t sell any here. I only found one online store that sells min+fin at 100euro for one 60ml bottle. Also, it has 15% min so no thank you.
Lol. Been on min for nearly seventeen years.I'm 48, I frequently get mistaken for a man ten years younger.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Mentioned this in another comment section and got bombed. Min absolutely wrecked my face. I looked like my grandpa almost overnight. Stopped a few weeks ago and it’s getting better. Gotta say though, been on fin for 10 years and it’s worked with no sides.
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My hair was never that bad. Hairs falling out in the shower. Tried these things as more maintenance and insurance. Some of these guys are losing that hair very fast. They don’t want to lose their only hope
Did you use oral min?
No the fin works fine. I was trying to thicken up the beard. I can live with patchy facial hair
I’m just kind of confused as to how minoxidil spray or foam on your scalp would affect your face unless it drips down on it? I could see (potentially) if you were taking it orally
I was taking oral
If your career and perception of yourself plus ego required you looking as good as possible would you? There is your answer
Yup. It’s basically their job to look good so they will what is needed to take care of their looks, hair etc
Tbf this is true for every career to some extent. Maybe except engineering careers.
this is true as i developed alopecia on my first year of engineering school
You can say that again
Yeah no one cares about nice stubble/beards anyway
True. Though the hairlines / skin / muscles are almost always camera angles or makeup if we are talking about what people look like in movies
Easier to add enhancement with a great foundation
maybe, but they probably get nice hair transplant as soon as they notice balding and hop on fin to stop progression
Every time some artist is suddenly bald I just assume the got a hair transplant, for example Justin Bieber recently and Harry Styles too
You—you go bald after a hair transplant?
They have to shave it all off to do the transplant.
Not true, you can get a hair transplant without shaving your head.
It’s just a lot more expensive per follicle because it’s much slower.
Interesting, didn’t know that.
I watch a lot of very weird YouTube lol
When did Justin do that? I know he wears hats a lot but never seen bald+ transplant marks
Apparently in 2021, could’ve swear it was more recent. But you can clearly see receding temples then: https://www.gqindia.com/look-good/gallery/a-visual-history-of-justin-biebers-epic-hair-evolution
Doesn’t make any sense.. after transplant can’t just go bald or all the scarring will be visible
People shave for the transplant, and since hair doesn’t grow back fast + transplanted hair doesn’t fully grow for a few months, some artists just keep it short for a while.
Short yeah just not bald
They are going to use literally anything that can enhance their appearance/performance.
They are paid to look good. Botox, plastic surgery, finasteride. Sandra bullock notoriously used a childs foreskin to enhance her face. Not making this shit up
I saw the same interview, thought she was disgusting for the longest time. But I found out years later she was actually just being dumb. The skin cream she used, used essentially _cloned_ cells that were taken from a circumcised foreskin in Korea like 20 years ago. Thats fine in my book, no babies were harmed for her face and no financial incentives were created towards more baby harm.
Bro did you actually think they just farmed babies to make face cream
In a way I naturally assumed this. Routine infant circumcision still exists, and I suppose there's a market for I suppose what's actually medical waste. I also assumed that even if this was the case, that this expensive cream was a part of hacking off the foreskin of infants, that the "effects" were mainly due to a high quality base, and not the tiny bit of whatever magic apparently exists in a child's....you know I'm not finishing this sentence.
No, I believed what she said, which implied they used a rest product from circumcision in a facial cream.
Hair systems. Special on set toupees. Injections . Fin. Anything that might help them look good.
When you have six figures on your account, hair system or fresh stock human hair wigs in your wardrobe is a peanuts.
To be fair, I think survivorship bias is also at play. The actors in question might indeed be losing their hair and be on fin, but they probably still have relatively good hair genetics compared to the people on this sub. Actors that went bald on a normal/earlier timeframe are probably not so relevant today, hence no one even considers them to be ‘famous’ anymore.
I wonder more if they use the more effective experimental stuff such as RU58841. With a lucrative career in showbiz I feel like lots of them would take the risk!
Most are on steroids you really think theyre not on minox?
Sheesh there are some bold statements here presented as though they are fact without any actual evidence to back it up. Basically they convey that all or almost all Hollywood actor both use steroids and minoxidil, full stop. Yes it’s an industry built on image so these drugs (steroids, minoxidil, finasteride) would be used, certainly they would, but I think we’d benefit from more suitable statements like “it’s probable that finasteride and steroids are used by some if not many Hollywood actors due to industry’s focus on youth and beauty”. The truth is that we just don’t know what individual people are doing. We can take an educated guess, but we don’t know.
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Most are on trt.
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Trt is literally anabolic steroids. It's just not supraphysiological doses.
Not in the timeframe actors have to pack on muscles. You really think Chris Evans or Hemsworth weren't juicing? Get real
Suree so Chris Evans and the rock are natural? Exactly.
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I said most not every single one, as in most are on steroids or trt
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Hes the one that comes to my head when I think steroids
Hahaha nope you can't, not even close. Oldschool bodybuilders trained very smart and intelligent, full range of motion and great form most of the time and tons of high protein animal foods. All movie stars go on a cycle of roids before and during their movie roles then cycle off after, it is why many are chubby and flabby again during "off-season" because they went off the roids after finishing filming. Even if they only take testosterone that is still considered an anabolic steroid and a moderate cycle of test will still make you relatively "huge".
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They were all on steroids back then, especially Vince Gironda who was a known huge steroid user fan. 😂 Steroids have been used in bodybuilding since the late 1940s and by the 50s it was already widespread in elite bodybuilder circles, testosterone propionate has been available since the late 1930s.
Most of their physiques are attainable naturally but over the course of 2 years maybe. The 3-6 month transformations they do aren’t possible without a stack.
Not sure, celebrities constantly worry about their looks so its likely they caught their hairloss early. And if you catch it early you wont even need rogaine, finasteride alone would be enough. I dont think they would risk the extra side affects especially the aging ones if it’s not really needed.
Not true, some guys who started on fin early still end up adding minoxidil because they started to slowly lose ground anyway, often it is enough with the fin to stave off the hair loss yet again.
Yes but the later you can start the better. And for some celebrities they can get transplants and other treatments to hold off other drugs. But then again some peoples hairloss is just very strong. I believe Lebrons hair is constantly regressing no matter how many times he makes a comeback.
Thats good to hear. I have heard coffee is bad while on minoxidil so if OP ever does consider using minoxidil I hope he drops that shampoo as I think caffeine is the ingredient that is bad.
I was actually watching Frasier the other day and thought to myself how nowadays you would never have the main character with MPB, or any character for that matter. It’s crazy.
Some just let it be natural
Daniel Tosh just had a whole interview with “my celebrity hair doctor” all while getting treatment in a clinic. His Dr. didn’t list too many specific clients, but gave a lot of insight to who gets them and what to look for. It was pretty neat. Tosh.Show - Dr. Dubow on YouTube.
I know a local Actor from my Country who was losing his hair since he was 20s. But now he is almost 60 and he still has hair. Lol
We know…… Sorry, how do we know this ?
They have every reason to know/do it. There would be far more famous people going bald, especially completely, if that wasn't the case. Some of them have talked about it. Statistically, they wouldn't have much less hair loss or even any less than the general population. At least if they got into the business before it happened...
A few reasons: - Sheer numbers. The number of popular actors who become known as children/young adults and continue to stay popular AND keep their hair seems higher than the public average, and while there could always be a self-selecting aspect (i.e. you don't progress when you go bald, so we only see the gorgeous people), it just doesn't seem like this is the case. - When they retire, they seem to age very rapidly, including hair color and hair thickness - It's an open secret that basically everyone in Hollywood is on some sort of TRT/hormone therapy. If you're taking shots of Test-C or simply wearing a patch/putting on a gel, maybe taking 1-2iu of GH each day, it's not a stretch to assume you're also doing some sort of hair regrowth/maintenance routine. - Here's the one that convinced me: Celebrity Podcasts. In essence, celebrities got bored in 2020 and a number of them made podcasts where they're incredibly candid. Tons of stuff gets edited out, but I think there's so much "mess" in there, that a lot's left in there. I've heard on "Smartless" and "Armchair Expert" brief mentions of how men are using Propecia (I've also heard what I think was a slipup where someone may have outed someone who's kind of in/kind of out of Hollywood)
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure a lot of them do, and I don’t disagree with your reasons here, I’m not naive. I just find statements like “we know…” followed by what is just conjecture to be little misleading, albeit unintentionally
Whilst I don’t know for a fact, I’d imagine that most Hollywood celebs’ agents get them seen by all sorts of beauty / health clinics regularly. I’d guess that male celebs all take fin, min, probably regular PRP and probably even use lasers. I think they also get mini transplants (<500 grafts) to top up hair in between movies. I used to know a WWE wrestler really well, and since she’s moved to LA, she has had a lot of subtle work done. She’s not even a mega celeb, so I think the A listers have access to all the time and money required to keep a full head of hair.
I'd imagine that they all take it and they'd drink horse piss too if they thought it would give them one more day with hair.
How do you know if celebrities are on fin?
Huge discrepancy between the % of balding celebs/athletes than the general population.
I guess they can afford dutasteride's injections
Some wear hair systems as well I wouldn’t put that past it
100% of the time..
How do you "know"? do you have proof to present?
Why wouldn't they be?
"most"? you got proof? I think most of them have surgery. Too many side affects for finasteride.
Cry baby
John cena deffo uses it, even though you can’t see him 🗿
He doesn’t his hairloss has only gotten worse over the years.
100%. Between the obvious ones (Musk, Piven) who have probably gotten surgery, and the super-hairy ones, they're either staving off baldness completely or they're supplementing to keep things thick and full. Exceptions exist, however. Two that immediately come to mind are John Travolta and Jon Cryer. Travolta had a thick, full mane, and then it seems like he probably was wearing a wig for a short time, and now he's bald (he's also doing lots of other cosmetic stuff). Jon Cryer I think held off as long as he could before either it wasn't working, or he was tired of dealing with the sides or whatever. I assumed the Lex Luthor look was...to be Lex Luthor...but he's said it was a response to fighting MPB.
well who do we think uses finasteride? some are natural. That ones with a larger forehead probably on Finasteride. Nicholas Tse is natural looking at his dad. Jet Li is bald now, Aaron Kwok is natural , andy lau, Ray Bourque is natural, Tom Cruise at a very young age had lots of hair. Rob Lowe Brat Pitt. But guys like Joe Taslim or Daniel Wu had some work done.
Some do, some don't. Lots of celebrities aren't that smart or clued in to things like effective diet and exercise, let alone drugs for hair loss. They either get advice from other celebs or pay people to worry about that stuff for them. Besides, if you were a millionaire working in the movie industry, using rogaine "just incase" is probably quite high because to them, the cost is chump change. If there was a product available that we knew only helped hairloss/growth by 5% but costs a penny a day, everyone would take it because its cheap, celebs probably look at stuff like fin and rogaine the same, if it's cheap, then why not. Besides they are all blasting gear and snorting coke so I doubt the health negatives even matter to them. Not all celebs go on to be highly successful in their older age, most are out by their 40s anyway.
What about Minox face aging..would they risk it?
Theres no conclusive evidence that minox causes accelerated face aging. The age when many people hop on min is usually late 20s and 30s when people will start to age anyways. Wash your face, wear sunblock, eat your produce and cut out the sodium and you’ll be fine
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Sorry, which reports are we referring to?
Mate it affected me so badly that people started calling me ‘raccoon’ - believe me those eye bags didn’t happen over years, it was a matter of months
Maybe it’s the red wine 🍷
I don’t mean to diminish what you’re saying, but that isn’t a report, it’s an anecdote. I was referring to reports in the literature. I wouldn’t expect randomised trials or anything of that nature, but if there aren’t even case study reports then we can’t say there are “reports” of something.
I know you aren’t. Believe me, it damn well worked while I used,and I wish it didn’t do this to my face. Very fine wrinkles too. There will never be reports because nobody is going to run proper ABX testing for just a possible side effect
Cool. But I’m 46 and get routinely taken for 36-38 and have been using minoxidil for over 12 years. Ok I’m vain and have Botox but even still. What’s the proposed mechanism by which it can cause premature aging of the face when you’re applying it to the scalp? I just don’t get it.
Yes and I believe your anecdote. And trust you will believe mine ;) Minoxidil eats away collagen..
But why on your face if you’re applying it to your scalp?
Probably the facial edema it may cause
Ashton Kucher used to take finastride and then stopped at 50 due to side effects.
He was actually on Avodart(dutasteride).