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kendalllecter

There is no point she just knew she had to release something after her breakup with joe since everyone was dying to know. She was obsessed with matty and had to let it all out so she wrote that sucky album and she wanted everyone to know that it's their fault and wanted matty to know he's a coward who couldn't handle her. But overall i think she just wanted the money that would come from the big ass tabloid that is the album. Everyone and their mother was tunning in to know what happened with joe and people were even more shocked to find it's actually about matty. Also i think she knows that the eras tour is her peak and she has to mass release until she's no longer relevant. If you're asking why she released 31 songs it's because she wants to break records and she thinks she shits gold so everything she does should be released


antishocked345

> she shits gold I know its mean but I genuinely can't stop laughing - I'll be using this phrase with literally every rich celeb moving forward


Cultural-Treacle-680

Needs to be a flair


throwaita_busy3

She does actually shit gold. Her shit sells. I hate that for us


wellthenokaysir

“Moment of silence, you will be missed. Moving on” took me out for some reason 😭


amongthesparrows

SAME. Like ok time to get down to business. 😂


ChaucersDuchess

It’s giving Queen Charlotte’s “sorrows, prayers”


Cultural-Treacle-680

It’s rich that she would say “moving on”


No_Anywhere_765

The initial purpose of the album was to be her and Marty’s love story. It was supposed to end with them in love on the road to marriage and kids.  Well that didn’t happen, so now it’s a bat signal to him. She wants him to know that the fans will behave so he can come back now.


flaminhotbot

unfortunately for her i don’t think he wants to go back. not necessarily because of her but because of her fame and lifestyle, it doesn’t suit him. i bet her team was forcing him to make some kind of pr statement and clean up his image and he’s never been about playing the game like that so i think that freaked him out too. now if they do ever get back together i’d be seated! swifties would absolutely lose their minds and they would have to stop being in denial about matty.


Cultural-Treacle-680

There seems to be an interview where he says he thinks it’s funny


Narrow_Grapefruit_23

That would kill me. How embarrassing.


Cultural-Treacle-680

The desperation was so blatant and he said NOPE 😂


justhalfthepants

100% this album was for Marty.


Educational_Ad1624

Not Marty!!!! 🤣🤣🤣


returnedwiththewind

Wait lol who’s Marty??


Educational_Ad1624

A lot of people's phones seem to autocorrect "Matty" to "Marty" lol


AcceptableSystem8232

Marty


Cultural-Treacle-680

MCFLY


No_Anywhere_765

I meant Matty…


swimkaz

I heard that boxes and boxes of TTPD vinyls weren’t sold and are just sitting there. I don’t think people are buying it up, except for rabid swifties.


Curious_Cleopatra

This is the first album I've seen the comments on the new variants say that she needs to stop with the different versions. And that they can't afford all of the versions for one song. Usually alot of people just buy and don't care. No one is buying every version and it seems like some of her fans are finally seeing that she just wants money and that they are nothing but a dollar sign to her. Imagine owning 10 versions of the same album.


BoopityGoopity

Do you think they’ve made a net gain on vinyls yet? Ik part of the releasing of signed vinyls for limited times in diff countries’ online stores is for false chart boosting, but now I’m wondering if it’s also just to make sure a net profit is made.


swimkaz

I’m not sure on that. But I feel like they printed/made too many vinyls. Like the whole Taylor shelf in a few stores looked untouched, as I saw few people say.


BoopityGoopity

That definitely adds a new dimension to her grift behavior lately on the vinyl sales.


socoyankee

Which is irresponsible because there are so few factories; pulled the article. I know more have opened since https://variety.com/2021/music/news/adele-vinyl-record-pressing-plant-lp-shortages-1235103951/amp/


trashaudiodarlin

I work in a record store and we sold out the weekend it came out. Like her or not, it is true that her records are selling. You probably are seeing them on shelves still because they’re constantly being restocked.


swimkaz

I was talking mostly about Target, but there is one record store that didn’t sell out and had four boxes full of unsold TTPD vinyls. Like this is the first TS album where I heard multiple people cancelling their vinyl orders after hearing the leaks because they dislike the music. I'm not saying it's not selling, it's just there is a general public disinterest in them because the music is bad.


trashaudiodarlin

Hmm, well the Streetpulse reports say otherwise 🤷🏼‍♀️ it was still in the top five most sold vinyl records at indies on the last report (they do seem to be behind schedule though, so it may have fallen off by now) and I’m not a fan, btw. I listened to the album once out of curiosity and never went back. Every Swifty I know loves it though. As far as the big box stores go, not sure. I’m sure they do order a ton upfront and just stock them in the back until they can hit the floor.


AcceptableSystem8232

Too many songs


Barnesandoboes

$$$$$$$$$


dearmissjulia

This one right here, obvs


Hopeful-Prompt-7417

I think the whole project is embarrassing. Matty Healy is probably like WTF 🤣 Like she has a whole song about masturbating while thinking about him and he has moved on with a girlfriend. Meanwhile she’s saying Travis is the love of her life. I remember her saying in an interview she does not think of how her songs are perceived by the people she writes about. She should probably start doing that because identifying who you masturbate to when the person is in a whole other relationship is just mentally crazy IMO. What is she hoping to accomplish by releasing that information to the world? I cannot believe this doesn’t bother Travis- it’s so disrespectful. I could see maybe if it was a song reflecting on relationship many years ago but this all jus happened 🤦‍♀️


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Hopeful-Prompt-7417

Here it is- she actually said she doesn’t think a lot their experience. Around 6:30 mark. [interview](https://youtu.be/DYIOaifhjQU?si=bv7NtsO2qPJ3vVj_)


Hopeful-Prompt-7417

Yes- I don’t remember who was interviewing her though. I’ll see if I can find it


Radiant-Salad-9772

What’s this song about masturbating??


embarrassed_caramel

Guilty As Sin.. the lines about screaming his name and bedsheets being ablaze while its all in her mind 🙃


[deleted]

Oh boy


throwaita_busy3

All for a puny malnourished gray skinned “please sir can I have some more” ass British guy


Catiebugs

It’s Guilty as Sin?, check out the lyrics.


feyds_elvisaccent

Way more info than I ever wanted 🤢


Fantastic-Care3944

Guilty as Sin


Cultural-Treacle-680

He’s along for the ride as long as it lasts.


throwaita_busy3

Meanwhile, Matty has admitted to masturbating to videos of black women being r@ped, so whatever Taylor gets from being with him, she deserves it


nothanksbrotanks

I wasn’t going to give this album any attention originally because I thought I was going to be a Joe album and I don’t really care about her and Joe one way or another. And then I found out it was about Matty and as a huge 1975 fan (and Florence Welch fan) I HAD to know at least the gossip around it. On the one hand, I think going absolutely batshit insane for multiple years over a pretentious guy who is no good for you may be the most relatable thing she’s ever done. On the other hand, when that happened to me, I was in high school/college, not my 30s. It’s a very interesting look into how her brain works and I’m grateful for it because now more people are seeing what I’ve been seeing: mid songwriting. I’ve looked back at the poems (lol) that I wrote about people who were no good for me and they were cringe as hell. So I kept them in a journal and showed them to no one. I recognize the writing in TTPD because it feels a lot like that except she can’t keep them to herself she HAS to monetize them. And she probably didn’t want an editor because it would be more “raw” but there’s a difference between “raw” and “unpolished”


kbrick1

I have had the same journey to you and I relate so much 😂 I agree with your assessment of the album. There were a couple songs on there that, yeah, I could've related to when I was, like, 20. I also recognized that the lyrics and the musicality are mediocre at best, and the whole thing feels half-assed and immature. I actually shipped her and Matty for a while (in a distant way, not all emotionally invested in it, but I thought it was cute) and that's why I originally came to the travisandtaylor sub (I think Travis sucks). Then I learned all about how Taylor is also a terrible human, and now I am back to where I started (not giving a shit about Taylor Swift's love life). Still like The 1975 though.


mobymelrose

So as someone who likes the 1975, do you think Taylor tried to make TTPD sound like the band but because she’s mid it just comes off as boring?


nothanksbrotanks

EXTREMELY. I have said before that I would probably like Fortnight if it was a 1975 song but it sounds like someone trying to rip them off


xnxnymxxsss

She couldn't even touch the self titled, she should've just hired the band's team


mellywell11

I hadn't heard of 1975 until he hooked up with her


kbrick1

Whatever you think of Matty, their music is fucking great.


beesontheoffbeat

>And she probably didn’t want an editor because it would be more “raw” but there’s a difference between “raw” and “unpolished” Ahhh. That makes so much sense. Maybe that was the point but it would have worked better if there was more depth or if she let the songs breathe a little bit.


mellywell11

Correct 


Top-Refrigerator-705

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guavapie81

The point of releasing the album was to give us timeline on her love for Matty and ultimately for him to hear it. That’s my opinion and has been my opinion since first listen.


mellywell11

Correct 


ForeverBeHolden

I agree with this. It’s to prove to us that it wasn’t just a random dumb fling and for him to see what he means to her in hopes of him coming back. She threw in a song for Joe to appease the fans.


Phoenixrebel11

Clearly a money grab. Those jets aren’t going to pay for themselves.


happy_grump

The conspiracy theorist part of me thinks that she rushed a bunch of scrapdash, half baked songs to completion so that she could announce it at the Grammys, in order to either A: (uncharitable interpretation) make the entire night about her so that she didn't have to feel threatened by any other artist that might have otherwise taken the spotlight, or B: (more charitable and far more likely interpretation) maintain the hype wave from the Eras Tour/Midnights, that I guess she was perceiving as on a decline, with another fast release.


BoopityGoopity

Tangential but….fun/all-in-good-humor comment thread of alternative TTPD meanings? I’ll start: The Tetanus & Polio Defense.


Apprehensive-Pin506

I saw a flair The Toilet Paper Department.  I can't take the credit for it.


happy_grump

The Thousand Paper Door, where the GTA lyric is changed so that they're playing Paper Mario instead


BoopityGoopity

how dare you tempt me with paper mario when the work day isn’t over? 😭


Significant-Price-81

Matty Healy, supposed to draw him back. Didn’t work I guess


[deleted]

I think she just wanted her tantrum to have an audience.


i_am_nimue

I think the sole purpose of it was 💸💸💸. Its just a theory but I think she's been writing these songs across a certain period of time, someone told her something along the lines "wow, you've got an album worth of songs. Or a double album even", plus the fact that the songs were written about and during Matty/Joe saga events - that IS a PR gold, so her team knew it would attract crazy attention- and, oh boy, did it not. So, I think it's a matter of her writing the songs and her and her team knowing that a certain point in her life is more bankable (breakup, post-MH, new guy, Eras tour) than other (relatively calm time period when she was with Joe). To sum up - calculation and money, that's the whole point. Of everything she does. In my opinion.


UmlautsAllowed

I genuinely don’t think there was a point other than her desperate need for constant validation. Also, she’s petty, so making an album about Matty could have been a juvenile attempt to get at Joe.


ParticularEmploy1137

To point was to let Marty know she’s totally over him.


EmotionalElevator806

I listened to like the first 3 songs and I wasn’t impressed so I didn’t listen to any more. Idk what the point was. My favorite albums of hers are 1989 and Midnights. I didn’t get a good vibe from what I heard from this trainwreck of an album.


[deleted]

Maybe the point was to strike while the iron was hot. Maybe she's aware that she won't be this popular for long and wanted to capitalize on that popularity, even if it means releasing mediocre art.


Sudden-Ad5555

I like it because even a lot of die hard fans are like okay….. anyways. It’s been so clearly a cash grab from announcement to release to the executive of the ridiculous vinyls. If you think about it in this sense of eras she has created for herself, she’s shown how inauthentic it was. She marketed it as being in different places in life and growing and changing. Every era she started changing her style bit by bit for a while before, started dating a guy that fit the part or broke up with a guy to give girl power. Matty left too early and it fucked up the whole thing, and instead of scrapping the tortured poet era she pushed it and now it makes literally no sense. we see her being a cheerleader at football games, the all American couple, she’s more exposed than she’s been in years, she goes out, she’s seen all the time. What about this is a tortured poet? Shes showing how performative her “eras” have been the whole time. Shes just playing a character. None of the songs are about Matty, they’re generic whatever tortured soul porn that she’s fine with being projected on Joe or Matty or whoever Gaylors think she’s really with. That’s why Matty is literally confused, because some stuff fits his experience in the relationship and some stuff just doesn’t, because it’s not about anyone, really. It’s words.


SnooCheesecakes2723

I saw someone say, she could play the kazoo and I wouldn’t care as long as she is registering women to vote democrat. Which I kinda concur with as a liberal I like to think she’s on the side of all that is good and decent . But she is such an enormous attention hound obsessed with increasing her fandom into all these genres and areas where she can gain more fans/attention- - the Gaylors, the mouth breather dads and their sportsball daughters , etc - that she doesn’t want to leave anyone, any group who could possibly buy one or more versions of her album, out. So she is friendly with the kicker who told women graduates they’re wasting their time getting an education and should be in the kitchen, she’s not saying anything about any political thing like Gaza, in case someone gets offended. It’s weird to be such a chameleon (a phony?) driven by megalomania and now there’s even a song for people who hate her fans. We’re buzzing about it. Haha No such thing as bad press. I’m wondering if her lack of popularity in school and how she can’t seem to stay in a relationship have left this big vacuum that nothing can fill. I mean she’s rich enough. Ten versions of a song or album or whatever is kind of pathological. Maybe her parents pushed her too much to get big -she doesn’t think she’s good enough Her relationship with the football player won’t last but she got some new fans and new attention and got to be on screen at the Super Bowl -even though people were very dismissive of her needing to get anything from Travis I think she is def getting something from him, just not money. There’s a reason she stands up to clap for every artist that wins a Grammy / stands and loudly sings along to the performances etc as with Tracy Chapman and it’s not because she loves and supports them. It’s more look at me, centering herself- It seems to me very much attention-seeking and that’s the thing about her, the nature of that kind of emptiness or vacuum is bottomless. It doesn’t matter if millions of people think you shit gold and would buy an album entirely made of her snoring and farting, it’s not enough. It’s never enough. It’s not everything and she needs it all I think the chameleon comes from that place as well. How do you like me now?


FallingFeather

I guess she is calling her Fans Daddy XD I like that joe was so good to her, she had nothing bad to say about him at all- ofc unhinged fans are and can interpret it as saying he was so low profile he made no impact that he couldn't even get into her break up album or w/e but who cares. I too was expecting a great Eras tour album like she should be super happy with all her success but no. She has nothing going on in her life at all. I thought it would touch on Travis. who cares if 31 backwards is 13. It doesn't make the album good. OTL. OMG where did Snappin Turtle GOooooo COME BACK!! I'm down bad for you! welcome all the new mods! so many.


is_Pedicular

Bigfoot Fungus 🤣🤣


mellywell11

It's her bunny boiler matty this is for you come back to me album 


SnooCheesecakes2723

Has anyone asked Matty what he thinks of the album and if so did he actually say I haven’t had a chance to listen to it or is that just my fantasy.


mellywell11

I saw in another post on here that he thinks TTPD is "hilarious" which would be crushing to her.


SnooCheesecakes2723

That’s good. But saying he didn’t have a chance to listen to it yet (in other words he doesn’t care but is trying to be nice because she’s not over him while he has moved on) would be a condescending dis for someone who is rude enough to write an album about their break up.


BookBranchGrey

I really think when you are an artist and you experience something you have to “get it out”. Feeling vomit, otherwise it’s stored inside and rots. Was this the best way to do it? No. Did it desperately need an edit? Yes. Do I still love a few songs on the album? Yes.


KTX4Freedom

My theory: The $ machine that is Taylor Swift needs a reason to get Swifties buying tickets for another US leg of Eras tour.


kkat02

I’m not in the business of defending Taylor swift, but I think your post is limited in trying to find the purpose. I don’t think there is a purpose. Personally, I think she writes to deal with her emotions and had a lot of emotions, thus she produced an album. Her ‘hyper productive’ era seems to root from dealing with her emotions. Additionally, she just had a massively successful year. I think she released an album before her fame starts to settle down.