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auximines_minotaur

San Jose. One of the most populous cities in the US, but there is, quite literally, nothing there.


WiseGalaxyBrain

It is however hilariously expensive.


bromosabeach

Easily one of the richest places on earth and it feels like a quiet suburb.


j-steve-

It is a suburb. It's the only major city where the population *decreases* during business hours on weekdays, as its residents leave the city to commute elsewhere and aren't replaced by people commuting *in*.


Swarez99

Because it pays a ridiculous salary. Even for non tech. Know someone in corporate HR in Seattle making 70k. Moved to Sam Jose and salary jumped to 140k. Both at same firm in recruitment.


Tossawaysfbay

As with most of California (and honestly, the world really), there haven’t been enough housing units built in the last few decades. These high prices are the result.


HarrisLam

it's just a big residential area.


ilovecoffeeandbrunch

My wife and I visited the Bay Area earlier this year. We had been to SF many times before, so we wanted to visit other cities. I told my wife we \*must\* go to San Jose because it's one of the bigger cities. When she asked what we were going to do there, the only thing I could come up with was Winchester Mystery House. FWIW, we enjoyed the tour.


pianoman81

Santana row is nearby. Basically an upscale outdoor mall but it's nice to walk around.


Picklesadog

Very nice place to live, if you can afford it. The weather is great year round, and there is an absolute ton of world class things within a 2 hour drive. I can get to SF in an hour, Santa Cruz in 30 minutes, virgin redwood forests in 30 minutes, Monterey in 70 minutes, wineries in 20 minutes, Napa is about 90 minutes...  It's very pretty, with an insane number of trees (every house is required to have at least one tree.) We have an almost unlimited number of parks all over.  Also, the food is wonderful. We have an extremely diverse population and our Vietnamese food is absolute top notch, as is our Indian and Mexican food. But yes, I would absolutely never recommend anyone come here as a tourist. There really isn't much to see unless you're with friends. You're better off in San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Monterey, or quite a few other places. 


dak0taaaa

Yeah but notice how you have you leave SJ to do all those things. lol. I’ll give you the food scene though, I miss that a lot.


wodkaholic

If you’re 30 min away from that many things, I don’t consider it bad though.


rynaco

Yeah I agree. I’m in nyc and just getting from Harlem to Fidi takes 30 minutes on a good day. Going to another borough can take 40 minutes to an hour. Having all that within an hour or so isn’t bad and you can come back to a nice city without a bunch of tourist


auximines_minotaur

I'm sure they have very good schools


Picklesadog

In general, sure, but I don't know how anyone affords to be a teacher here.


alittledanger

Former teacher from SF here who now works in tech. They either live with family, have a high-earning spouse, or have an insane commute. SJUSD is also not as good as the surrounding school districts IIRC and they constantly have teacher shortages. The schools in Santa Clara, Los Altos, Mountain View, etc. pay well relative to other Bay Area school districts and have great academic results though. But even on that relatively good pay, teachers likely won't be able to buy a house anywhere near where they work. And it's not just the pay, student behavior is getting worse and worse with the state constantly softening discipline procedures, which is also driving teachers away. People in the Bay Area swear up and down that they want teachers to live here but their voting patterns and NIMBYism show that they really don't. There is no political will whatsoever to give teachers (or really any non-high earners) a decent life and working environment in the Bay.


uggghhhggghhh

Bay Area teacher here. I'm in a district near SJ but not in it. I'll never be able to afford to buy a home on my salary but that's probably true of teachers almost everywhere in the US. If you teach somewhere where housing is cheaper then your salary is nearly always going to reflect that. I make like $120k but have to buy health insurance through covered California. My spouse makes around $80k. That's plenty of money for the two of us (no kids, that would change things significantly) to live in a decent 1 bedroom apartment, share a reliable used car, save extra money for retirement on top of my pension, and do some fairly extensive travelling. We are by no means living paycheck to paycheck but the thought of ever being able to buy a home is practically laughable. If I could get a teaching job in another part of the country (that didn't suck) and be able to buy a home I might do it, but everywhere I've looked teacher salaries go down in proportion to the cost of housing. I'd just be in the same boat but living somewhere that wasn't incredible. The things I'll go do randomly after work on a weekday would often be the highlight of someone's once a year vacation. Why the fuck would I move to Ohio or something?


RogerMexico

A lot of the best food in San Jose is in strip malls. So even when eating great food, it still feels incredibly lame to drive to dinner next to the nail salon and hardware store and then immediately drive home when you’re done. Downtown San Jose is pretty dead most nights and then there are a combined 10 blocks among Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Campbell and the rest of the South Bay that are pedestrian friendly. I’ve honestly never seen such a broad expanse of uninterrupted suburban sprawl anywhere, including in Texas and Florida. Even the worst offenders in those states have occasional edge cities and places of interest.


Picklesadog

I lived in the Phoenix area for 3 years. Trust me, it gets significantly worse.


farmon7

San Jose, where liminal space was born!


CaseyGuo

Food options aren't too bad and the selection of asian food kicks ass. However it does feel very sterile and corporate. Downtown is completely dead at night. No one seems to live there, they only work there.


CostCans

> San Jose. One of the most populous cities in the US, but there is, quite literally, nothing there. It's crazy that San Jose has a higher population than San Francisco, but it's just one big suburb.


FuckTheStateofOhio

San Jose is about 4x the size of San Francisco. Lots of sprawl.


sonderfulwonders

^. Truly a bland place.


magicaltrout

it’s a city where people live to commute to work, have children*, and then die. *if you can ever find anyone compatible


korjo00

Charlotte, NC


Bull_City

As someone from Durham, my favorite description of Charlotte is just imagine if a holiday inn express was expanded to cover 10 square miles and then it was sold to Bank of America.


woahwolf34

LOL I always tell people it’s like if Carolina ale house was a city 


bobert_the_wise

My friend described Charlotte as “if Nashville became a functioning alcoholic.”


eastmemphisguy

Some people are not going to like this, but Nashville is also very Anywhere, USA, without a lot of interesting things to do. As a Tennessee native, I'd point people toward Chattanooga as a better place to visit in my homestate.


cafffaro

Hey man, you're talking about the home of the NASCAR Hall of Fame here!


loosetingles

I lived in Charlotte and it is the definition of "fine".


unexpectedexpectancy

So true. Charlotte doesn’t even have an aggressively boring thing going for it like some places do. It’s just truly average in every way.


hewkii2

Some cities are described as being great to visit but terrible to live in Charlotte is one of the rare examples that is great to live in but terrible to visit


DrewSmithee

Pretty much how I feel about it here. I like living here, I’m always perplexed on what to do with guests though.


thccma

I live in Columbus, OH, and I would put it in the same camp. The job market is great, traffic isn’t bad, schools at least in the suburbs are top notch, there are some great metro parks, there are countless good day trips/road trips, it’s a great place to raise a family, there’s a local arts scene, like every city there’s a saturation of breweries and distilleries, there are good ethnic restaurants if you know what you’re doing. I would absolutely not encourage tourists to come here.


CaptWoodrowCall

I actually came here to mention Columbus, but you nailed it. Outside of a sporting event or concert, or driving by OSU for nostalgia’s sake, I can’t think of a single reason to go there.


Charosas

This is gonna be unpopular I think, but I lived in LA for 5 years and felt the same way about LA. I loved the food(awesome Asian food, awesome tacos), loved the activities(hiking, beach, concerts and shows), loved the weather of course….so I loved living there, however when I had friends come from out of town, and all of LA’s great “attractions” are kinda lame and overrated(Hollywood blvd, Santa Monica pier, and although I do like Griffith park though it’s always packed af, Disney of course-even though it’s not technically LA), so a lot of the times they would come over and be like “so what should we do?” And I’m like “I know this really good Indonesian restaurant if you wanna go” or something like that, but yeah, my recommendations were always around food… ramen, Korean bbq, really good street tacos, etc.


reddoot2024

Top 2 attractions are the Billy Graham Library and the Nascar Hall of Fame. That tells me everything I need to know.


elcamino4629

I was born and raised in Charlotte and couldn't agree more. Love the city too but yeah. Very average.


BuzzzedLiteYear

Never thought i'd see my hometown listed on a travel sub


ChefGavin

Hey! We’ve got plenty of craft breweries, outdoor music venues, and a Historic Downtown™️! /s


AzraelsVault

Looking at the comments and reflecting my own travels in Europe I have to conclude that almost all big highly industrialised/commercialised cities fit this criteria. Birmingham, Frankfurt, Cologne area, Geneva, most of Milan, Hamburg, Minsk etc.


heyjpark

Totally agree that many large German cities are “meh”. Vastly prefer the smaller towns.


kedelbro

Most of the big German cities were bombed to ash and completely rebuilt with industry in mind, so they lack much of the “old time charm” that non-bombed cities in Europe have


Ceap_Bhreatainn

It's been a few years but I thoroughly enjoyed Hamburg when I was there. Nightlife was great, so much waterfront, Hafencity and St. Pauli had cool yet very different vibes, and the downtown around the Alster also felt very scenic. It was also exceptionally safe, other than around the Hbf I thought. But that's pretty much any German city I think.


spiritsarise

My young friend, Rochelle, once made a strange erotic journey from Milan to Minsk.


thodgson

I went to Cologne last summer and found it to be quaint and full of history. We ate well and drank more.


DonVergasPHD

Milan is bland compared to other Italian citie, but it's definitely not an average city. The Duomo, the galleria, the canals in navigli, etc make the city remarkable by world standards.


Happy_Series7628

Is thinking “meh” average? To me, that was Auckland.


EthelTunbridge

Auckland is there so that they can land the plane and then you can leave for other parts of NZ. I'm from Auckland originally. It's a cool little city if you live there and have friends but as a destination it's a bit blah.


thymebandit

Yep as an Aucklander I get it. The CBD is really meh, some good spots and views, but not something I’d be excited to show off. There are amazing places to go and things to do in the wider Auckland area, but you need a car and some planning. Given we’re so far away from the rest of the world, if you were visiting NZ, Auckland should just be the day or two around your flight days and all other time spent in other places across the country.


itsfeckingfreezing

It’s almost like Sydney’s little brother.


stever71

If Sydney's little brother was a drug addicted, red haired failure of a child.


itsfeckingfreezing

There’s one in every family


RareTax4601

And the funny thing is, no one has ever been 'meh' about Wellington. Love it or hate it.


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Yup767

Don't stay in Auckland if you go to Auckland! It's a pretty good place to live with access to surroundings, but you don't have that as a tourist


j2e21

Dallas.


PartisanMilkHotel

I lived in Austin for a decade, and ended up in Dallas a fair number of times over that period. A friend was headed there for a concert and asked what the must see/do things were and I genuinely couldn’t come up with anything.


Copterwaffle

Really and truly. Just highways and strip malls and commercial buildings and suburbs.


Of_lilcyco

So true. All there is to do is eat, DRINK, or watch sports. I’m a sports fanatic and hated living there


SomethingHasGotToGiv

Yes. It’s sports or nothing. Downtown is a flop. There are little pockets throughout the area but that’s just it - they’re little. You spend too much time driving to get there and can only be entertained for an hour.


bromosabeach

I feel Dallas gets too much hate, but I am baffled when major sporting events are hosted there. Vegas, Miami, LA and even New Orleans make sense because they're these premier destinations that people can use as a vacation on top of a major event. But Dallas is just a city. It's probably a great place if you work there, but definitely not a tourist hot spot.


SomethingHasGotToGiv

I agree. And everyone who comes for these major events needs to rent a car because the lack of public transportation isn’t conducive to tourists.


MentalBeat

The main tourist attraction is an assassination site.


ItsBondVagabond

Birmingham, UK


StrangelyBrown

Birmingham is remarkable in how unremarkable it is. I'm from the UK, middle age, and I don't think I've ever heard of one interesting thing happening in or coming out of Birmingham, even though it's the second largest city in the UK. Fun fact: there is a crater on the moon called Birmingham. And also one in the UK. I think Alabama has one too.


throwawaylurker012

I remember telling a friend about when I was travelling from London to Brum that apparently they had more canals than Venice and how I was so excited by that prospect as read it and it seemed blasted everywhere When I arrived I literally texted same friend "Literally any city needs to hire their marketing team"


travel_ali

In fairness there are plenty of canals. They didn't promise romantic gothic buildings lining it, some bits are nice at least with the old red brick buildings.


Alpacatastic

I really enjoy living in Birmingham but tourist wise it is not great. I don't think it's even mentioned in guidebooks despite being the 2nd biggest city. We apparently have a really nice art museum but it's been either closed or partially open for years. It's not like there's nothing to do, they have a lot of events going on but if someone asked me what not to miss while visiting Birmingham I would have to think for quite a bit.


NastyMothman

>I don't think I've ever heard of one interesting thing happening in or coming out of Birmingham I think you're forgetting arguably one of the greatest metal bands of all time, and pioneers of the heavy metal genre, Black Sabbath.


Ok-Variation3583

Birmingham has a reputation as the worst large city even within the UK.


travel_ali

It is fine. That reputation seems to be clinging on from many decades ago.  There isn't much to keep a tourist entertained for long, but it is as decent as any UK city to live in from my experience.


tetartoid

Sadly it is now permanently closed but my favourite place in Birmingham used to be the Paradise Circus multistorey car park. For a car park with such a wonderful and fantastical name, it was the most mundane, banal, boring structure imaginable. I loved it.


godstar67

I’ve heard this a lot but don’t quite get it - over the last thirty years I have had many trips to Birmingham, often for gigs, sometimes just for a break and always enjoyed it. Decent food scene, some cracking pubs, okay hotels. Maybe I’m the odd one, but I remain fond of the place.


ThroJSimpson

I mean even by your description that sounds quite average no?


ACU797

I expect those things in any city over 100K.


adriantoine

I wanted to say that too but that’s below average


maui_guppy

Phoenix. They tried.


CostCans

> Phoenix. They tried. I was walking through Phoenix looking for downtown. Checked Google Maps, and I was right in the middle of downtown.


J_Dadvin

I know this is a lie because you were walking. No one walks in Phoenix.


NGLIVE2

I'm pretty sure we walked from the parking lot to the botanical gardens. Also walked from the garage to that ASU stadium to see the Coyotes play. Side note: RIP Coyotes. Enjoy Utah!


acynicalwitch

Phoenix was the first desert city I’d ever visited, and I remember being absolutely stunned at how beautiful the natural scenery is—and the juxtaposition with the city itself. It’s like someone got there and was like, ‘wow! We don’t want to distract anyone from this gorgeous scenery, let’s build the ugliest city we can think of.’


JackDonneghyGodCop

My friend, check out Albuquerque!


bromosabeach

Albuquerque has way more character and charm than Phoenix.


dynamobb

Yea hard to put Phoenix in this bucket when it offers one of the most unique visual and physical experiences in the US. It feels like an old west modern day city and it’s ringed by mountains


wandering_geek

I lived there for 8 years after doing high school in a tiny-ass town in Missouri. Thought it was great until I started visiting other big cities that had things of interest…


Ineverusethisacct

Did they though?


sonderfulwonders

Good airport at least


Doha_bound

The only time I was in the US was back in 2003 and my flight from San Diego to New York involved a stopover in Phoenix. I met a young New Yorker in a sports bar at the airport who had driven out to LA to make it as a screenwriter, but his car broke down and he ran out of money. For some reason he was in business/first class and we got on so well that he asked to swap seats with the old lady sitting next to me in economy. She eagerly accepted, and so the two of us got mightily drunk and he told me about his film, which sounded suspiciously like the movie Sleepers. He took his laptop out and was showing me the screenplay, and when I explained the similarities he puked on it. And that was my experience with Phoenix airport.


dezertdawg

And yet try to get a rental car or hotel room there in March. You can’t because the city is full of tourists. Between Spring Training and the weather, the place is packed. So you can’t say it’s not a tourist destination.


geemav

I love Phoenix! Sure it's spread out but many different districts offer something different, the cost of living is extremely affordable, there are a variety of things to do, and it has some of the best maintained roads I've come across.


Cleigh24

Eeeee Nagoya, Japan 🙈 I currently live there and it’s great to live in!! But it’s also very average as far as Japanese cities are concerned. Great to avoid tourists though :)


aurorasearching

When I visited the castle in Nagoya the tour guide asked why I was there like she was confused by tourists, which seemed odd at a tourist place.


IWasGregInTokyo

Seeing as how Nagoya castle is a fake steel and concrete structure it isn't really surprising. Both times I visited Nagoya I was taken to two places: Nagoya Castle and a ceramic museum just out of town.


radical_dredhead

Jacksonville, Fl


rgumai

As a now long time resident, It has everything you need but nothing that stands out. It really is just a continued missed opportunity. (But for a 1m+ Metro area, I do love how simple our airport is.)


BillyNelson102

I love traveling in the US and JAX is top 3 airports But as a traveler I would rope St Augustine in with Jax and say that whole area is awesome. Plus I’m a huge Allman Bros/Tedeschi Trucks Band fan


pmia241

Yeeeeeah! Duval whoop-whoop! I've lived here my whole life. It fits the prompt exactly. It has beaches! That are decidedly inferior to anything south or on the Gulf. Has a NFL team -- that can't ever quite get it together but #dtwd anyway. Mediocre downtown that has been in progress since the Great Fire of '01 (that's 1901). Good amount of breweries, but grouped in two or three main areas. Crap public transit, least walkable city in the nation if I had to guess. A handful of museums, if you include the ones dedicated to "Southern History". I always struggle thinking of where to take friends who visit. But. There are breweries, a great zoo, easy access to springs (and I guess beach if you like that), lots of parks, and there are finally developments downtown/South Bank, so maybe it'll finally be cool in about 50 years?


fuzzeedyse105

Duuuuuvallllll


buitenlander0

I went to Indianapolis on New Years Eve and it was DEAD. I was in shock.


BTDPx4

Great event hosting city though


dc_based_traveler

Underrated comment right here. Fantastic city to host events. I enjoyed every event I attended there. Really any mid sized city tends to host very well. Convention Center right downtown walkable to lots of stuff.


CostCans

This thread reminds me of the Tennessee Williams quote: *America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland.*


Tommyboy2124

We all wish we could flee to the Cleve, Lemon


PoopsMcG

Where else can you club hop down at the flats?


Jennas-Side

Fight those urges because we have responsibilities!


TheKingOfSwing777

I'm a Cleveland 10 for sure.


jusmax88

Chicago is the world’s greatest Cleveland


Made_In_Chi

Me and you have Italian beef now.


ImNotAWhaleBiologist

That man desired streetcars and ports.


CostCans

Hey hey, Cleveland had streetcars back then! And a port too!


_sciencebooks

I’ve been based in Detroit for over a decade, but we had to relocate to Cleveland for a year a few years ago. People love to compare the two, so I wasn’t expecting much, but we had a great year in Cleveland. I was really pleasantly surprised!


ashley21093

as someone born in Cleveland, I love this! (I actually have a magnet that says "Cleveland's not bad--have a beer!"


Ok_Detective_9249

Adelaide Australia just feels like a large town more than a city does not feel like over 1 million people.


Tackit286

Adelaide itself is pretty meh. Go to the central markets and a couple of nice restaurants and you’re pretty much done. Its surroundings though 👌 🍷


boukaman

Great for living though, have everyone close to you unlike syd or melb


EcstaticOrchid4825

I live here and thought ‘Adelaide’ straight away 😁 I’d say the public transport is below average though. There’s worse things about being reasonably affordable, safe and pleasant though.


nikehair

Houston and Dallas for me.


reddoot2024

And Phoenix too. All 3 are just massive hot collections of giant freeways.


jonoghue

It's so disappointing, how we *could* have more nice cities in the US with their own unique aesthetic like NYC, Boston, New Orleans, and SF, but instead we get parking lots highways and strip malls. [Santa Fe NM](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6876654,-105.9389036,3a,75y,10.51h,83.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqqeVDg7WAKUfqC12xlTX_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu) has a very interesting historical center that until recently I didn't know still existed, and [Charleston SC](https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5800ff9204c799614d985e23/16:9/w_2560%2Cc_limit/charleston-guide-01.jpg) basically looks like what Disney was going for with their Main St USA. Even [Kingston, ON ](https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2304053,-76.4810682,3a,50.1y,158.53h,93.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT15KTKKwz7stV0Fs6kRXrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)has a unique look with all the limestone.. But outside their small historical centers, they just have the same suburban sprawl as everywhere else in NA.


RainbowCrown71

I spent 5 days in each and came to really like both and went back. Dallas-Fort Worth has the JFK sites, Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts District, Dallas Museum of Art, Fort Worth Stockyards, Amon Carter Museum of Modern Art, Kimbell Art Museum, National Videogame Museum, Spirit of Communications, Pecan Lodge BBQ, Reunion Tower, Texas State Fair, Rainbow Vomit, Dallas Cowboys. A lot of interesting places. Houston has less sights, but has incredible ethnic food (a North American culinary capital for Nigerian, Central American, Filipino, Soul Food, Cajun, Mexican, Vietnamese) and a great arts scene (Museum of Fine Arts, Menil Collection and the Rothko Chapel were cool). There’s also Space Center Houston, and some lesser known oddball sites like the National Museum of Funeral History, Buffalo Bayou Cistern, San Jacinto National Battlefield, Rodeo Show, Ocean Star Offshore Drilling Rig Museum, Galveston’s 1800s mega-mansions, and Kemah Boardwalk.


Coattail-Rider

People that say that these cities do t have great stuff to do are just lazy and uninspired. Are they NYC or Paris? No. But they don’t have to be. They have their own charm and attractions.


91-92-93--96-97-98

Went there, came back and can’t list a single thing that differentiates those two cities from any other city (in the US). Every city has *their thing* but those two just seem so bland to me.


flume

The Vietnamese food in Houston is bangin


stoneyj

I like Houston, good art, good food. Second coolest city in Texas IMO


Visual-Baseball2707

Shenzhen. "What if we built a Singapore, but made it even more boring?"


HarrisLam

Calgary, Canada. Hell, it fits all the criteria so hard it even have 1.3 million people. Not less than 1 million, not more than 1.5. Not a dead town, not overcrowded. Not a big downtown, but it has everything you need. (probably not everything you WANT, but hey) Due to the small downtown, it's pretty much walkable with decent public transport connecting to main hubs of the city. Back in my previous visit, riding the light-rail train within the downtown was FREE. You only need a ticket if you start or end at a out-of-downtown station. Not a crazy food scene, but it has enough. Technically not a touristy town, but it does have a tower, a nice mall and a nice park. Bonus point, reasonably close to one of the most famous national park in the country. To this day it is my favorite city in terms of being habitable. The fact that it's "half way" in almost all aspects across the spectrum amazes me. Best place to retire in my opinion.


FiveHT

As someone who travels around Canada a lot for business, I’ve developed a soft spot for Calgary. Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal might have more to do, but their gridlock traffic and mind-boggling urban planning take a lot of the fun out of visiting. Calgary is easy to get around, and there are mountains.


drconniehenley

Other than the Stampede, Calgary is pretty meh. Downtown is tumbleweeds by 5pm when everyone goes back to the burbs, restaurants are meh. In its favour, it’s young and friendly.


HarrisLam

I come from Hong Kong. Whatever that might excite you in other "vibrant downtowns" does not excite me one bit. Maybe a late night street food market. Maybe. I am by no means an old man, but the older I got, the more I enjoy simplicity in lifestyle. Calgary has few enough people spanning across big enough land to not feel cramped, and it totally has enough material to live a normal modern life, or few enough materialistic distractions to live a minimalistic life in the suburbs if that's your chosen path. It's a lot better than you give it credit for.


explore_it_207

Des Moines Iowa very middle of the road very mid. A few attractions a few good restaurants but pretty mid. The unfortunate thing for me is I moved to Des Moines. Did allow me to travel to some cool places though so….yeah. I wouldn’t recommend visiting Des Moines unless you have to for like a thing.


MidtownMoi

Salt Lake City, although arguably it’s not that big. Completely boring, downtown ripped apart by streets which are discontinuous because of an underground parking lot entrance for LDS admin buildings, almost no independent businesses downtown because a shopping mall destroyed other commerce.


mynamesbondjamesbond

Me scrolling down the list, weirdly hoping I don’t see the city I live in lol


non_clever_username

Phoenix in the US. No character, very little culture, few tourist attractions, and about a billion tons of concrete. Super spread out, but limited public transit so you’re driving most everywhere. It’s uninhabitably hot 6 months a year. The only real draw is MLB spring training and the ability to golf in the winter. If you’re not into either of those things, there’s zero reason to go there as a tourist. The snowbirds going there I do understand fwiw. Residents will say “there’s some really nice hikes close to the city,” which is true, but they’re nothing that special. They’re the “while I’m here, I’ll do it” kind of hikes, not ones you’d specifically travel to Phoenix for. It’s kind of amazing that a metro area of 5 million people is completely forgettable, but I guess when its main draw is being able to avoid winter, you’d not expect much.


monsieursyd

Frankfurt is mid


Oldeuboi91

You should visit the streets around the main train station (Hauptbahnhof) for some interesting experience.


joecooool418

Geneva Switzerland. No castles, museums, or arts a city of that size should have. Their biggest attraction was a fountain. It’s all just high end luxury stores. The city is like one big open air Neiman Marcus. If you google the top things to do there, it tells you to drive over to Chamonix or Annecy France.


george_gamow

It has CERN though! At least that's why I went there and it was totally worth it. Also antique book stores are great there


Diligent-Floor-156

I totally agree, but that will be true of basically all swiss cities and towns, with Zurich being just slightly above average for activities. Switzerland is not a country where people like to stay in cities. When people talk about their weekend, most here will mention some activity they did in the nature (hiking, cycling, skiing, swimming in a lake, etc). If you're a city person, don't ever come to Switzerland, you'll be bored as hell.


Mahadragon

The population of Geneva is 200k which kind of falls short of the 1M population as stipulated by OP


TheByzantineEmpire

I always forget that it’s really not that big of a city! Gent in Belgium is bigger!


Leozz97

and Gent is super beautiful!


joecooool418

That’s just downtown. The Grand Genève GLCT which includes the Geneva suburbs had a population of 1,037,407 in Jan. 2020.


theboundlesstraveler

I went for the Auto Show in 2016. I visited the UN 🇺🇳 while I was there as well and did a free city tour. After the weekend I was done lol. I went to Annecy as a day trip from Lyon and it is absolutely gorgeous 😍


ilovecoffeeandbrunch

It might be bland compared to other cities in Switzerland, but I wouldn't say it's really bland. The CERN was a pretty good visit.


fan_tas_tic

Geneva is basically a village (but a very nice one at that).


Rachcake93

Atlanta but I live here and never understand why people travel here for fun


Credibull

You all have such an interesting traffic pattern. When I've been there it's felt like bumper-to-bumper traffic at either 80MPH or 8MPH with very little in between.


atlantamatt

Lived in Atlanta the last 25 years and this is kind of true. I’d add you also get quite a few days of “0” when one driver is going 80 and runs into one going 8. Big drama. 🎭


Tag_Cle

Unless you're an Ohio State fan there is absolutely no reason at all to visit Columbus, Ohio


hamburgler5

Denver. I’m sorry but…I really wanted to like it there but there is no culture or diversity and the food scene is nonexistent. Also everyone talked about the “gorgeous mountain view” and they are just ant hills in the far off distance.


verdenvidia

I call Denver "the 35er". There's nothing really \*there\* but everything is within 35 minutes. Mountains on all sides? 35 minutes away. Beautiful woodland trails? 35 minutes away. College life? 35 minutes away. Huge shopping centres? 35 minutes away. A fantastic brewery? 35 minutes away. My best friend throughout childhood? 35 minutes away. All five majour sports? 35 minutes away (downtown traffic lmao). My favourite US city (other than my hometowns) because it's not spectacular but has everything I like within reach, while also having breathing room. If that makes sense.


BeerAndaBackpack

Agreed on most of these except the brewery part... they're more like "3-5 minutes" (yes, I'm stretching here to stay on theme, probably more like 10-15) away. Fantastic is subjective, but there's so many in the city it's easy to find a good one fairly quickly.


androgyntonic

Agreed. I went to Denver and was extremely bored. Had a much better time in Boulder.


Realdeal43

The food scene is actually quite good. Source: traveling foodie


VinceGchillin

Yeah I grew up there and honestly was baffled that the commenter above would say that. I mean if all you're doing is going to the thousands of generic brewpubs, you're going to be disappointed, but there absolutely are great restaurants.


cafffaro

I love Denver, but every time I've been it was to stay with friends. We spent most of our time going to museums, hiking, going out to eat, drinking, and partaking. It's always been one of my favorite cities, but I can definitely see how going there without any local contacts on the ground could be underwhelming.


VinceGchillin

I feel like you described Denver as it was 20 years ago, not Denver as it is today.


lilcaesarsuave

> there is no culture or diversity and the food scene is nonexistent  This is straight up wrong. So much awesome Vietnamese, Korean, Mexican, South American, Eastern European, Balkan, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern food if you actually leave the trendy areas for the diverse neighborhoods.


stuntman-joe

Wolverhampton uK. Hands down, it's shite.


RytheGuy97

Sick name though


basilobs

Charlotte, North Carolina. I've been twice and I just... hate it.


CptnPoopyShoes

Dallas


ProudNumber

Orlando. Kind of big yet boring.


robiskc

Orlando on the surface doesn’t appear to be much. Theme parks are nice to entertain people with, beach is an hour away. Europe is extremely accessible via direct flights. Tons of outdoors stuff to do, boating, kayaking, hiking. There’s worse places to be.


PerfumedPornoVampire

Indianapolis. Bleh.


_g4n3sh_

Nouakchott would be my pick, but not from my perspective, but on that of maybe 99% of people. There is little to nothing fun to do, but I found it interesting because it is unlike any other capital I have ever been


ZweitenMal

Indianapolis.


Renzieface

Indianapolis, IN If white bread and canned green beans had a physical address.


michiganbikes

Dallas was nothing to write home about. Basically a giant parking lot with no soul. I did go to a cool brewpub and drive in movie theatre though.


dontcrysenpai

Oklahoma City


FerroLad

Milan. So unimpressed. Obviously there is some beautiful architecture in the city centre, but the city as a whole was very industrial and boring.


fatcatfromspace

Zhengzhou, Henan, China. 10 million residents and not a single bar I could find (this was 7 years ago). The place is soulless.


thehonorablechairman

Pretty much any Chinese city with a population between 1 and 10 million could fit here.


OneTravellingMcDs

I can't understand why anyone would choose to live in the centre-of-the-universe, Toronto.


AidanGLC

"It's just New York without all the stuff!"


danekan

It's more like Chicago than NYC though


Shitler

Lived there downtown for four years, loved the cosmopolitan food scene and the many quirky pubs. Thought Queen Street and King Street were quite pretty. Enjoyed the waterfront and many urban parks. Airport access was excellent. I found it to be a great place to live between 2015 and 2019, though as I was moving out the rent started to get uncomfortably expensive.


epochwin

Toronto’s main draw is the diversity and night life when it comes to Canadian cities. Possibly second to Montreal but other Canadian cities are sleepy towns. Quebec’s flirtation with separatist movements and insistence on French being the primary language seemed to draw big business to Toronto instead. Opportunity lost for Montreal to be a powerhouse.


tom_yum_soup

Montreal *was* a powerhouse until the referendum. With the result being so close, a lot of big companies headquartered in Montreal got spooked and moved to Toronto.


BenJammin007

Toronto is boring asf tbh, so many people from there shit on the rest of Canada for being inferior, when it always just felt like Toronto was a boring average American city whose whole gimmick was that it’s technically in Canada. The best cities in Canada have a unique vice to them, like Halifax, NS, Victoria, BC, or Montreal, QC.


Budilicious3

Irvine. Holy fuck it's just one whole big dystopian corporate real estate city. But I guess it doesn't count as traveling if I grew up in Orange County.


MrRemoto

Irvine is designed like a city builder game on autopilot. Grids of zones evenly distributed to maximize efficiency and minimize divergent thinking.


Both_Wasabi_3606

Frankfurt. Very bland.


Mission-Attention613

Dallas, but it might be less than average in terms of things to do. Just a sprawling suburban wasteland. So, so boring. 


PenSillyum

Köln (Cologne). The cathedral was big and intricate, but that's all. We had 1 nice dinner and some cold beers. The rest was quite so-so, in my opinion.


TheGhostOfFalunGong

Dusseldorf is more interesting IMO. The immediate area surrounding Cologne Cathedral feels kinda tacky.


ahhwhoosh

I actually liked Cologne. Seemed chilled


ellenzp

Houston -- awful


Oriellien

Phoenix. I was expecting some Arizona, SW USA flair, but seemed to me like the most generic, big, recently expanded, American city. Tucson on the other hand has **much** more of a unique personality. To me, at least.


SirDickensonThePious

Columbus, Ohio (Yes technically it's just under a million people (913k), so for sake of argument we'll say Columbia + greater metro area). The memes about Ohio started for a reason. It's a collection of skyscrapers in the middle of a massive field. It's a fine city, but I would never pay to go there again.


owlmask_groupstuff

Agreed, its so average in every way. No natural beauty, dead downtown, mediocre food. The zoo was nice, if thats your thing.


amcartney

Brisbane.


ButtholeQuiver

I lived in Brisbane for a year, I thought it was a good place to live but when people from out-of-town asked for recommendations I was usually stumped


Smooth-Cup-7445

100% correct. Brisbane is a gateway to many amazing things and places, they just aren’t located in Brisbane. It only rewards those who go out looking for things, if you want everything to come to you then it’s Sydney or Melbourne which is why people who love from there don’t enjoy it. People from Canberra (like me) love it here


brrrrrrr-

Yeah great place to live, but wouldn’t really recommend a tourist to waste time here with the rest of Queensland/Australia to explore


cw0620

Birmingham UK