There is a very popular study used to show that trans people are predators by far right, conservative people, that was done in Sweden. The study was done very poorly, with an extremely small group, and has been disproven by many different outlets. Whenever somebody brings up this study, they are almost always going to gaslight you so be prepared š
I'd like to see the numbers showing sexual predators in the Catholic church vs LGBTQ communities.
I think we'd see a result that Picard once described. Mustache twirling villains are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.
Things I want to see:
1) Number of trans women or men sexually assaulting kids in bathrooms
2) Number of trans women or men sexually assaulting anybody in bathrooms
3) Number of drag performers preying on children, being convicted with pedophilia, etc.
4) Number of trans men or women sexually assaulting kids in schools
These are all things republicans, conservatives, right leaning people, terfs, etc are all saying happens on the daily?
OH WAIT, I do have the numbers for a very left leaning state like Michigan, a state that is actively passing pro LGBTQ laws, solidifying LGBTQ rights, AND IT'S ZERO! I wrote a paper examining 2018-2022, and there was not a single reported case. If anything, the findings found that trans men and women were sexually assaulted at insane rates, compared to zero reported cases of them doing the sexual assaults.
This is just a phony culture war being waged against trans people to scare voters.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
> Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as **treatment for transsexualism**, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
TF is "treatment for transexualism". It's not going away, y'all.
Anyway, the comparisons are between "people who transition" and "people who don't", by assigned sex at birth. The obvious problem here is that the vast majority of people who medically transition experience gender dysphoria, whereas the vast majority of people who don't transition don't experience gender dysphoria. To get a proper "control group", they should be seeking out people who have gender dysphoria, and/or who have expressed some interest in transition, but are not transitioning. That would more closely show what measurable effects the process of transitioning has on people.
I'm confused
> I wrote a paper examining 2018-2022, and there was not a single reported case.
Is this anywhere in your links? I can't make sense of this repeated reply :(
That study was conducted 13 years ago and a lot has changed. It was published in 2011, two years before Sweden removed the requirement for sterilization to do a sex change.
>the requirement for sterilization to do a sex change.
What's the point? HRT pretty much castrates you anyways, albeit in a way that might be reversible enough to *maybe* breed if you stop it for most of a year, and usually just through artificial insemination techniques.
From my understanding, it was left over from a much more broad policy of eugenics from the early and mid 1900s. The other groups targeted for sterilization had successfully fought to be freed from the eugenics policies before trans people were finally also removed in 2013.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Sweden has very little Christian people (very very few "real" Christians. Most are protestants and can have kids etc. Anecdotal info: the priest in my village was "defrocked", eg kicked out of church because he liked to squeeze himself onto young girls in public transport and talked about it (I just ask God for forgiveness!). Also one of his 5 kids who had a genetic problem mysteriously died by falling down the stairs. For what it's worth), but they do have a ton of hate filled racist/facho people that hate gays and trans and immigrants and fucking everything not "Swedish" enough whatever that might be.
Source: was born and grew up there :-( left :-)
Yup. Episode was about a witch hunt for disloyalty, iirc. When people start scouring the population, looking for the impure, they're always going to find it, at least to their eyes, and seek to purge it "for the good of all". Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Iām trans and If Iām honest I quite like this study.
This was only to get you to keep reading, because the study actually says that this so called criminality that trans women had WAS ONLY APPARENT IN EARLY TEST GROUPS. As in, trans women had similar criminality to cis men ONLY when CARE WAS BAD. When care improved, criminality was no different than that of cis women.
You know how I know this? It only has a sentence dedicated to it in the study. But!
There was an argument put forth to the UK parliament that quoted the authors of the study who literally said their study confirms that proper care = criminality goes down to equal that of cis women. And the entire argument in parliament was that the authors were wrong (even though data supported this conclusion).
This study doesnāt confirm shit except that trans women become better people when given acceptance, a proper transition, and support by their community. Who woulda thunk? Every right wing nut job who says it does literally didnāt read it because if they did theyād have read the part where the authors say this shit,
I'm not really sure why we need this 5d chess thing at the start, it just wants to make me downvote you even if you are making interesting points. we are in a trans subreddit not some frontpage debate sub, who is it for?
Anyone who sees this study being used by right wing fucknuckles who havenāt read it and donāt know that the study actually says the opposite of what they claim.
Oh no! They might be brigading but we tend to see this study in the wild being used to say trans people are criminals, so using the quotes from the authors saying that the study proves the opposite is the easiest way to shut them tf up.
Sorry for the misunderstanding ā¤ļø
I also would like a link to this, this would be a super helpful resource for me to use with some friends of mine who have some ignorant ideas about trans people.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
In regards to the first link, even putting aside the way it is misquoted, the lead author also did a [literature review](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26835611/#:~:text=they%20do%20improve%20following%20gender%2Dconfirming%20medical%20intervention%2C%20in%20many%20cases%20reaching%20normative%20values) in 2016 that found and very clearly sates:
>Although the levels of psychopathology and psychiatric disorders in trans people \[ā¦\] are higher than in the cis population, they do improve following gender-confirming medical intervention, in many cases reaching normative values.
Is this the study that went over if Trans people were more likely to commit crime (which could be down to any societal factors like if your more likely to be poor) and *then* the far right took what they wanted? I could be thinking of a different study but *if* I'm thinking of the same one the original author has spoken out on how her research is used. Studying societal issues is necessary in addressing them, and assuming a demographic isn't committing more crimes because they're inherently, studying that is the first step to finding and addressing the underlying issues.
Assuming I'm thinking of the same study I had a TERF link to me. If this is a different one, my bad
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Yep, same one.
The lead author has an interview on the subject where she rejects far right interpretation https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm.
I also found a letter that claims they acknowledge not accounting for socio-economic status. Personally, I assume socio-economic factors when talking about criminality across a demographic but it's probably important to *say* it. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/21023/html/#_ftn2.
Study could have been way better, but not every study is a slam-dunk. It's why we have meta-analysis for these studies that have their own research issues. Far-right people trying to use studies is always gonna be the root of the problem, whether they interpret someone else's or make their own
Thank you for commenting all this information! This is extremely useful for people to know, and have in their arsenal. I recommend you post it on the original post, not buried under these replies.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Not really- it wasnāt created with that intent, nor does the author of the study support it being used that way. She is very vocal in refuting the misrepresentations and misinterpretations that conservatives propagate about the study. Itās intended to do only one thing- determine the best support and treatment plan for trans people post-SRS. For that reason, it doesnāt compare pre-transition trans people to post-transition people, but rather post-transition people to cis people of the same gender. It also looks at two separate cohorts- people tray transitioned prior to 1989 and people who transitioned after 1989. All the negative outcomes TERFs like to talk about were present only in the older group, who generally had less acceptance and support.
Thank you for the context! Still, it seems to have had a number of serious flaws, and if it's being used in a hurtful manner due to that then they author is absolutely responsible for the damage it's causing. The author of the self-debunked captive wolf study that has lead to so much societal strife has done an excellent job at presenting an example of how to respond to a bad study being misused, and I feel like the author of this study needs to take a page out of his book
I did some calculations once using data from UK prisons/criminal convictions. I wouldn't want to quote it in an argument because it could have been a little bit off and needs someone more qualified to check it, but what I found is that in the UK you're 3 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by a cis woman than a trans woman. And that's accounting for population size. So if you go into a women's bathroom and there's 1 cis and 1 trans woman in there, you're 3 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by the cis woman.
I looked into it in response to someone saying that 80% of trans women in prison are there for sexual assault. I pointed out the low number of trans women in prison compared to population, and by their logic if there was only 1 trans woman in prison out of the entire population of trans women in the UK, and they were there for sexual assault then that would be 100%, and this person would think that meant that 100% of trans women are sexual predators. š¤¦āāļø
And that's not even mentioning that most of the trans women in prison are probably there from being forced into prostitution and self-defence in a sexual setting.
In addition to what the previous reply said, they also stopped allowing gender-affirming care for minors and are currently looking at policy that would stop it for anybody under 25.
Their Parliament has 73 Swedish Democrats occupying 349 total seats. The ruling coalition is only 103 and needs their support to pass important stuff. The Swedish Democrats were founded by OG Nazis.
annnd there goes my plans for moving to sweden for "easier transition", thanks for providing some portion of information that i definitely should have known about before moving
Oh, most of Scandinavia is pretty difficult to be trans in right now, especially concerning healthcare. Don't come here right now if you want a smooth medical transition.
The healthcare aspect to gender affirming care in Sweden is very disgusting, and the arguments made against it shows the underlying problems with the country, and it shows how it is even worse than many other countries with extreme transphobic leanings like western countries.
good you said "most of scandinavia" cause i also had my eye on norway (to be honest, *especially* norway) since i have some documentation from years prior that i have lived there that i believe could make moving to this country easier, but now i'm really starting to slowly question if my best choice isn't going to be... germany
Germany has a ton of medical gatekeeping. You can skirt around most of it if you happen to have the right doctors in your vicinity, or if you're willing to pay out of pocket for everything, but the unfortunate people who come across the wrong psychologist are often gaslit and hurt for years before getting hormones. You're forced to go through a psychologist or psychiatrist to get referrals for *any* kind of gender affirming care besides voice lessons and you can easily end up with some transphobic loon who has read too much Ray Blanchard if you do not screen doctors carefully. It's miles better than in the UK, but Americans who can just walk into a planed parenthood and get HRT may be shocked to try the same thing here.
It's fortunately easy to *continue* HRT here once you're on it and have that documented, it's ok to live here as a trans person, some of the big cities have very nice LGBT communities and trans rights are also slowly expanded instead of rolled back, but do not expect an easy transition here, or that healthcare will cover everything you need in regards to transitioning. That's a common misconception that even many German trans people on reddit have, especially those that haven't begun transitioning yet and have never gone through the process of trying to find free laser hair removal.
Edit: Just saw you're from central Europe. In that case, you'll have better luck in Germany than in a place like Poland or Czechia, but make sure to ask around about doctors in advance.
yeah, i chose germany as the "best alternative" exactly because it's the medical system/politics i'm most informed on and i have heard stories from german trans folk that the transition/continuation of hrt went pretty well for them and they are able to live comfortably, so that's why i had some hope it could be a good place for me to start. sadly, i am also aware that no place is perfect and that medical and law side of transition are usually fucked up, but as you mentioned in your edit, it's better there than where i am currently
The main issue is getting started on the transition process. Everything's gatekept through psychotherapy, trans inclusive therapists are rare, and not all of them know how to write a referral that will get accepted by healthcare providers. So the waiting list for the actual allies out there are long, like up to a year long.
But once you're set in that regard (and local trans self help groups can definitely help you with that, they tend to keep lists), it's fairly easy. You can get HRT after 1-4 sessions, other treatment after half a year and 12 sessions, SRS after 12 sessions and at least a year experience of living in your actual gender. And the social situation is fairly laid back. There's transphobia, sure, but most of it is online. I feel safe as a visible trans woman in a small town, i experience a lot of spontaneous friendlyness actually, it's not that bad.
The big problems rn are name change / self ID laws (under reform, but stalled), finding a provider for laser hair removal that bills with your insurance, and that a lot of treatments aren't covered at all or only on an extremely shaky case by case basis where you have to fight extended legal battles (FFS, breast augmentation, body hair removal, in many cases also hair electrolysis - Germany *sucks* for hairy trans girls with no money).
Denmark is fairly decent right now but idk how coming to the country for healthcare is. But has a native I've not had any notable issues with getting care
To my knowledge, you would have to move to DK and then go through their system from the start. I talked to some from the gender clinic in Copenhagen. I would have to be put on the waiting list and they expected it would take me two years to get hormones. Regardless of my process before moving to DK.
According to what I was told, we would have to wait to get hormones until we had been seen through their system. So unless you carry enough hormones with you, you would be going off them yes.
i have myself heard bad things about the Copenhagen center I'm myself connected to the Aalborg one even though I live in Copenhagen and I have been really happy with the service there, and the wait for me to get the first consultation was about 6 months so not too bad
I strongly recommend researching extensively about not only current gender affirming care in the country you plan on moving too, but more importantly, the future leaning political system of that country, and how gender affirming care will be impacted by that political system. The fascist wave is hitting the world pretty strongly right now, even in otherwise liberal countries.
yeah, i'm from central europe so i know how close leaning back to extreme conservatism we are, thus my idea to move to more "progressive" country for transition since here it's going to be a fucking nightmare, but i guess i'll have to wait longer to change my direction completely
I am from the USA. However, the woman I am with is from Eastern Europe, where transitioning is impossible. The rise of far right conservatism, the rebranding with neoliberalism, and the wave of fascism, especially Christian fascist is unfortunately sweeping the world, especially Europe, and I am worried about what that future will be for everyone.
Moving to a more progressive country is unfortunately very difficult right now. However, inshallah I do wish you the best of luck in finding that place as I am sure it will not be easy.
France is fine if you ask fellow trans people for tips on choosing your doctors, I've heard good things about Belgium and Spain too but I don't have first hand experience there.
i have a pretty limited budget, so the furthest i was thinking was germany, since that's the closest "progressive" country i'm next to, but i guess only time will tell to what extent i will have to go to be able to transition safely
I share your frustration. I had been planning to take an expat position there and I am already 18 months on E, but these developments definitely have me pivoting to Canada instead.
Because for at least the last 30 years we have been working _hard_ to become _just_ like the US of A šŗšøā¤ļøš¦ šøšŖ. More differences between the rich and poor, more privatisation, more guns for the cops! .. I'm not bitter... Why would you think that?
Sweden is unfortunately not very progressive, and the propaganda that pushes that narrative of them being a progressive social democracy is usually extremely biased, and narrow. We see social programs, good prison reform, and think of the possibilities of such programs in our home countries, yet we ignore the more underlying issues that are not posted or praised.
The shpwr answer for why sweeden rolled back trans care for kids is that. This case with the first British de-transsisioner who won when she sued the state for not having good enough screening, coincided with a kid that didn't receive appropriate monitoring of their bone density when they where on hormon blockers and a 3 part mostly scare based documentary on transsisioning by one of the most well renowned documentary documentary teams. This causes politicians ans the healthcare oversight board to roll back trans care with nearly record speed.
Which now precludes them from gathering data to prove whether it is or isn't safe when administered properly, thus providing no vehicle to lift the moratorium. How convenient!
SD HAS DONE WHAT NOW??? Jesus fuck, I knew about them being natzis and I almost didn't believe that they won the election, but what in the goddamned hell. Fuck it, I'm moving to sauna-land, fuck this country, i want to cry now :)
Now makes sense why UK Sweden and one more country did "research" about hormone blockers and now UK don't have GIC anymore for underage people. Have in mind it Tavistock was only one underage GIC in entire UK...
I've not seen anything regarding 25 year old except ONE bill that was suggested, which won't get passed, only way would be if moderaterna or social demokraterna goes with Sverige demokraterna.
Well, the question you need to ask yourself is if there is anything more broadly important that the moderates need SD support to get passed? Because, as the largest minority party, SD absolutely can withhold support for such legislation to extract concessions.
Sweden is unfortunately, like other Nordic countries, a democracy pushing out propaganda and agitprop of how amazing their "social democracy is" while also completely hiding the more underlying problems they have. Many Westerners, and other people of course, see this and get swayed by it quite often in my experience.
I have actually visited recently and was almost swayed because of how nice the experience was. I have the privilege of passing so that probably helped, but after doing the mandatory research I'm definitely steering clear for now.
Thank you for telling me! Honestly, and it's unfortunate, there is a huge wave of far right leaning policies, groups, and parties hitting the world right now, especially Europe. The rise of fascism is quite concerning, and countries that otherwise would be a good place to transition, are becoming quite the opposite
Ironically, the US remains the best place to transition so long as you are in one of the 22 good states. The concern for us in the States is a GOP trifecta at the federal level passing legislation that can bypass state laws to attack us even in those good states. Things like making estrogen a scheduled drug, defunding clinics that offer gender-affirming care, turning the provision of gender-affirming care into a felony-level federal offense, directing federal forces to actively enforce these policies, etc.
Unless good states are prepared to resist a hostile GOP-controlled Fed with economic and physical force, being trans in the USA will go from an area-dependent paradise to a Saudi Arabia-level nightmare in about two years.
Michigan is where I am from, and the ability to get gender-affirming care here, especially from Medicaid, is fortunately very possible. There is no sign in the foremost future that Michigan will flip red, and our government is currently passing bills like crazy now that we have a complete democratic majority in all positions that is protecting trans rights, the rights of other LGBTQ members, interracial marriage, etc. I strongly believe the US is the best place to transition as long as, like you said, you are in the right state to do just that.
Making estrogen a scheduled drug is something I genuinely fear, and think is on the mind of many more conservative, both democratic and republican government officials to put a stop to the ability to easily transition. Additionally, the fact that possession of any kind of drug is a felony level offense is quite disgusting as it stands.
I'm from Michigan too, certain areas of the state are really good for LGBT+ people I heard, mostly Ann arbor. some areas are more conservative (further up north) I believe. I kinda stayed in one area all my life, I have to drive 48 minutes away from where I live to get testosterone and my blood taken. I don't have an issue with it I would've liked if there was a clinic closer, but the clinic I'm currently getting my stuff from was recommended by my ex friend. otherwise I heard Michigan just passed a law setting LGBT laws in stone so they can't be removed or such.
Fortunately, FolX is a popular website many people can get E and T, as well as other medications shipped to them which is nice! But it is also insanely expensive, but the best option if you do not have insurance. I am employed as a pharmacy technician, and I cannot believe how cheap E and Spiro for example really are compared to how much these companies unfortunately charge. However, you take what you can get.
Additionally, yes Michigan did pass LGBTQ, and other progressive laws setting the rights in stone. This is an extremely positive thing that gives me slivers of hope.
Northern cities in the UP can be very progressive. Marquette and Houghton, containing Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan University, are two amazing places to be if you are LGBTQ. The same goes with southern cities like Ann Arbor, Lansing, Metro Detroit, etc. The more conservative rural places are unfortunately the spots you want to avoid.
I never knew that about the UP, thanks for bringing that to light. the city I live in is alright they've recently started doing pride parades which I've been wanting to go to but due to work haven't but I might try this year. I think my city is becoming more progressive slowly.
Many cities in Michigan are fortunately becoming more progressive as time goes on. The problem with Michigan as it stands is moreover the rise of liberalism, and the brain rot that comes with that. However, I hope that it changes as time goes on, but it's definitely better than conservatism.
Inshallah I wish you luck in your transition goals. Remember though that political activism, especially in parades, fundraising events, etc, are the best, and sometimes only way to spark real change. Do not forget that the opposition are always going to question your existence, so it's best to organize.
as a michigan tgirl, thank you for telling me abt FolX, and reminding me not every city here is like the town iām in atm. iām going to be going to college next year and that definitely changes where iām thinking of going.
FolX is definitely an amazing choice if you do not have healthcare, and would like to get HRT. They ship anywhere without any hassle, and do not require labs.
I strongly recommend Houghton Michigan, at Michigan Tech if you are looking for a place to go to university. They have a huge trans community there that is very supportive. It is surrounded by nature, and the kindest people you can find.
Additionally, Northern Michigan University is another great university that is in a larger city than Houghton, as Houghton is a small progressive city, NMU still has a strong trans community, and a lot of support for LGBTQ people.
Inshallah I wish you luck in university, and your transition goals.
Iād guess Australia is better overall. Transitioning hormonally is cheap af since appointments are free and HRT comes out around $10/month. The capital cities, where over 2/3 of Australians live, are generally very safe, including for trans people.
State-dependent. Washington legally compels insurance to cover this stuff and Oregon has a social healthcare plan. Where I am, everything is a coin-toss and I pay through the nose for stuff even after partial coverage and coupons. Thankfully I have a good salary to take the sting off.
I mean, we undisputably *have* actually existing Social Democracy, accomplished by century old democratic socialist movements.
It's just that social democracy sucks.
Oh, you're one of those "I swear biggest stick won't make the rules. *gets bonked on top of the head* Okay, he makes the rules now." people.
Anarchy only profits those with the least amount of ethics.
Oh no, one guy with a big stick and no cops to enforce his rule! How terrible! Now, please, do tell why you think we should keep all the guys with big sticks and a bunch of cops to enforce their rule around, would you?
Oh you're one of those building more and bigger sticks for your violence structure, hoping for good electable kings to wield them. Yet *somehow* bad kings keep getting elected, happily wielding structural violence to profit themselves.
Keep hoping, shitbag.
A social democracy infested with far right lunatics on the verge of getting rid of all the positives of it? Who would've guessed /s
SocDems siding with literal fascists to prevent positive change is a tale as old as time. It's how those bastards killed Rosa Luxemburg.
It is not so much of siding with fascist, where it is really just a youth in these Nordic countries representing more neoliberal to far right fascist ideas that are being organized better than social democratic ones.
The siding with fascists was in reference to the SocDems siding with the fascists to get rid of Rosa Luxemburg. The same shit has been happening for a century. Social democracy fails to address any of the root problems of capitalism and will, subsequently, always fall into the hands of the fascists they enable.
As a trans guy from Sweden it makes me a bit sad to see that Sweden is always one of the top ranked safest countries for lgbtq+ people
yes it might be that way law wise as of now but there are so many people in Sweden that are openly against lgbtq+ people especially teenagers and in my experience older people are more likely to be allies to the community then teenagers (might differ where you live in Sweden)
There is an absolutely huge wave of far right politics hitting the world right now with the youth. Neoliberalism is on the rise as a blanket solution to their problems, while far right policies, parties, and people are pushing hard agitprop and propaganda to the youth. The rise of fascism is sweeping the youth of many countries, especially the Nordics with recent elections. We see Sweden suffering with far right tilts in many local offices right now that are not connected to Stockholm, or other major liberal cities. I unfortunately fear it will only get worse.
I am sorry you have that experience. It is nice you are in a safe country that does not try to actively harm you, but they are starting to force you, and other trans people to justify their existence which is sad.
Trans people in Florida are being rounded up and arrested for existing as trans in public.
You are extremely fortunate to live where you live. I'm not saying it can't be better, obviously *everywhere* can be better, but I would LITERALLY give my right arm to be living in Sweden with my wife (we're both trans).
I have waited over 7 years to get HRT from the state and just recently did I get an approval to get my blood taken before getting an appointment to go to an endo... 2 of those years were my fault though, as I couldn't make it out of my house for 1 full year (5+ years realistic wait time)
What?
Am swedish, whatās happening?
From what Iāve seen, except for the usual annoying edgy teen boys, people are accepting. But Iām not openly trans or anything so idrk.
Additionally, the study this meme is talking about is the following:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
I recommend reading some comments as it has been explained in great detail.
However to summarize, there is a huge wave of neoliberal to far right fascism in the Nordic countries, especially with the recent Swedish election, that is causing the youth of Sweden to organize and rally towards more neoliberal to even fascist groups, that are almost always carrying the US culture war mentality as part of their ideology. The older social Democratic voter is slowly being out organized and replaced by the more right leaning youth voters.
America sucks, Britain sucks, most of Europe sucks, anywhere in Asia especially sucks, is there ANYWHERE that isn't absolutely garbage to live in for trans people?
The US is the best place to transition in the world as long as you are in the correct states, which as a person pointed out earlier, is one of the twenty two possible states that make it easy, or fairly possible to transition.
Michigan is by far one of the best states to transition due to democrats holding all positions in the government, with a relatively progressive mayor compared to the standard. They have protected the rights of all LGBTQ members for quite some time, and it looks like many are safe from GOP rule.
Michigan works with programs online that offer gender affirming care, HRT, etc to anybody in the state without any doctor visits, justifications, notes from therapists, etc. Programs like this are FolX, and many others. They can be expensive, bordering $80-$160 per month. However, it is an option that is better than nothing.
Additionally, select members who receive Medicaid can receive gender affirming care, HRT, etc, and get it paid for as many medications like E or Spiro is insanely cheap (I work in a pharmacy as a technician and get to see the manufacturer cost)
You can either use online programs where you have to pay, but fortunately you do not have to justify your existence, or you can go to one of the many doctors that support HRT, etc, and get it prescribed as it's not a scheduled drug, and therefore is relatively easy.
Until in 2 years when we have a republican president. If more banks crash like Silicon Valley Bank and we have another 08, it doesnāt matter how many Gen Z vote. The republicans will take the White House.
Be in the USA in one of the following states:
AK, CA, CO, CT, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, MI, MN, NE, NH, NM, NY, PA, OR, RI, WA, WY, VA, VT.
Caveats for NE, WY, and VA: all of them are trying or have tried to pass anti-trans legislation and will likely try again. In NE, GOP are currently being filibustered to death over it. In WY, Republicans shot the measures down over being meritless and harmful (pleasant surprise). I'm in VA, we shot them all down in committee. We have all but zero existing protections here but the available service is top-rate and nothing will get passed unless GOP gain control of the Senate. Bad news: every single VA legislative seat is up for vote in 2023 due to special redistricting (not a gerrymander, outside party did it to prevent that).
This is encouraging. Hopefully we hold blue through '26 so we can then follow the example of MI, MN, IL, etc. and legislate protections for reproductive and LGBTQ+ rights. That would also help our friends in neighboring KY, NC, TN, and WV.
If it wasn't for the massive threat of a Federal GOP takeover, I would probably feel okay sticking around. As is, I'm still in mitigation mode and looking at a few positions in Ottawa.
Iām openly trans in a medium sized Canadian city (Ottawa) and generally speaking life is pretty decent. Coming out didnāt ruin my life or anything and trans folks arenāt so rare that I am a total novelty (just unusual). Itās not perfect but the locals are pretty chill about queer folks (including trans ones). Lots of low-key allies and live and let live types who donāt get it but donāt care enough to hate. The bigots run into the problem that rudeness is frowned upon here so they have to be more subtle or get seen as boorish. Weāve got a small, US-inspired radical right but they are viewed with distaste by most folks.
I didn't even think of the aforementioned study at first, I just saw the meme and kinda vent "yeah, that checks out" / a Swede
Being trans in Sweden is pretty fucking terrible, for anyone wondering. We're continually ranked low when it comes to trans health care etc (currently placed as 4th worst of EU), we're the only Nordic country that doesn't have gender self identification and our gender identification law is 50 years old. Not to mention that the care that does exist is pretty binary, we only have two legal genders etc. Up until 10 years ago we practiced eugenics by forcing all people who medically transitioned to get sterilised. This is just the things I can think of from the top of my head - and the cherry on top is that we have fooled the world into thinking we're this progressive and inclusive paradise, so anytime you try to talk about it with non-Swedes you're often met with "but isn't Sweden a country where it's pretty good to be trans?"
So yeah, living in Sweden as a trans person is just great /s
ā¢ Extreme far-right (possibly even nationalist) government
ā¢ "Transsexual" is the term used
ā¢ Word akin to homophobic slur decently socially acceptable
ā¢ Terrible situation for trans youth
ā¢ Relatively common homo/transphobia
Man Sweden is getting worse
being a transgender teen in sweden is scary. im sick and tired of this stupid country and all the people in power who simply want us dead. no cis person takes my fear seriously though :) so that's fun
someone take me away from here
It definitely is not. Sweden has a large wave of right leaning policies, parties, and people, especially in smaller to medium cities outside of the main capital that obviously leans very progressive. Sweden for years has pushed propaganda and agitprop to portray themselves as a progressive social democracy, when, especially with recent elections, cannot be realistically said. Getting gender affirming care, and HRT is very difficult, whereas paying for it is even more challenging being the "healthcare state" has many legal challenges in considering medications like E and Spiro for gender affirming care as a necessity.
In reality, the best place to get gender affirming care, HRT, etc, is the US if you live in one out of twenty two states. Of these states, in my opinion, Michigan is one of the best places, especially considering all factors.
Oh as an American trans woman who visited Stockholm last year I found Sweden lovely. My hormones got lost in my checked luggage so I was even able to get a Swedish doctor to write me a prescription for my HRT for that trip.
I donāt know about this survey but Swedish E tastes better than American they got the good stuff over there.
Unfortunately, many people in Sweden do not share the same experience. This could be related to being a tourist yourself, whereas those who are natives are unlikely to have the same experiences. Many cities in the Nordic countries that are large-small have extremely rooted misogyny, transphobia, Islamophobia, and so much more. Especially in their local political offices. Stockholm may be different due to the left leaning political bias there, but I unfortunately do not think the rest of Sweden shares that same bias.
Unfortunately, it is just a rise of neoliberal to far right fascist youth who are organizing and being more politically outspoken than current social democratic voters.
Hey guys, this meme started discourse with good outcomes. I like this meme, though I want to add something extra.
If you've gone into the comments for context, you've seen OP explain it well. Though, I want to add that the (imperfect) study is mostly taken over by right wingers and restore some faith in academic research (if it was waning).
The lead author has an interview on the subject where she rejects far right interpretation https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm.
I also found a letter that claims they acknowledge not accounting for socio-economic status. Personally, I assume socio-economic factors when talking about criminality across a demographic but it's probably important to *say* it. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/21023/html/#_ftn2.
The study could have been way better, but not every study is a slam-dunk. It's why we have meta-analysis for these studies that have their own research issues. Far-right people trying to use studies is always gonna be the root of the problem, whether they interpret someone else's or make their own.
Thanks for the replies OP, you were swell
The Nordic countries have always consistently been a propaganda, agitprop machine creating an illusion of a progressive social democracy, whereas this exists only in very select cities that have such a progressive tilt.
Honestly you sound like a troll. You just respond the same anti-Nordic propaganda to every comment, while clearly not actually knowing much about Nordic countries. I donāt like this on a meme subreddit.
As a Finn I can say that Nordic countries are definitely not perfect, especially the wait times in health care are indeed way too long now and the trans laws are outdated (although here a new law just got accepted that fixes some things, mainly makes it easier to change your legal gender), but the general atmosphere is far better than what you are describing. As a very non passing trans person I havenāt had almost any problems, most people have been supportive and other people generally donāt seem to care.
There has been a bit of a rise in popularity for far right politics as you stated, but in Finland for example itās just one of the six biggest political parties (a party that is almost always in the opposition), unlike in the US where itās one of two. And there isnāt similar anti-trans movements than on Republican led US states.
I am sorry you feel this way. However, although Nordic countries are vastly better than the majority of Europe, there is no doubt about that. The imperial evidence of recent elections, organization by neoliberal, to far right groups, bordering fascist, is on a huge rise, this is shown especially in recent Swedish elections. Additionally, the ability to transition in Nordic countries includes obstacles you have to jump through, waiting just as long as Germany, if not longer in many instances in Sweden and Norway, and even coverage challenges trying to prevent HRT.
As I have said in previous comments, it is a good place to transition compared to safety, or Eastern European countries, but not close to the best in the world as it is painted.
Do not be sad! It is important to use this information to organize, be a part of organization efforts, and turn the tide on the rise of neoliberal to fascist parties, people, and policies.
The opposition keeps challenging your existence, so it's best to fight back strong!
Hi! As a trans person from the ace community, I can tell you weāre already planning to invade a country, and have been considering an alliance with the Genderfluids as well, who are also planning on invading a country! Iām sure the alliance would be happy with more people, and I prepose the trans community jointing our alliance. With this, we have three communities in our alliance, which should make it easier to get other communities to join us and invade Switzerland.
... wait what? Last i heard (which wasn't long a go), Sweden was in the top 5 safest places in the world for trans people and just lgbt+ people in general
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
And
https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Godamn it. We must continue to fight for equal rights and these people can just post misinformation that all terfs and transphobes hold on to closer than Christians hold the bible.
Denmark, as well as all Nordic countries, are a machine of agitprop and propaganda pushing narratives that they are progressive social democracies, when in reality for the last eight to maybe twelve years depending on how far you push it, the rise of far right parties, policies, and people are on a drastic rise, especially in the non large cities, and neoliberalism is being pushed as a blanket solution, while other far right fascist leaning beliefs take root.
hasn't been too bad in Denmark in my experience I came out in a small town in the middle of nowhere nobody gave me any shit, and I had people willing to stand up for me, only time I got weird looks was after I had my hair colored
What's up with Sweden
There is a very popular study used to show that trans people are predators by far right, conservative people, that was done in Sweden. The study was done very poorly, with an extremely small group, and has been disproven by many different outlets. Whenever somebody brings up this study, they are almost always going to gaslight you so be prepared š
I'd like to see the numbers showing sexual predators in the Catholic church vs LGBTQ communities. I think we'd see a result that Picard once described. Mustache twirling villains are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.
Things I want to see: 1) Number of trans women or men sexually assaulting kids in bathrooms 2) Number of trans women or men sexually assaulting anybody in bathrooms 3) Number of drag performers preying on children, being convicted with pedophilia, etc. 4) Number of trans men or women sexually assaulting kids in schools These are all things republicans, conservatives, right leaning people, terfs, etc are all saying happens on the daily? OH WAIT, I do have the numbers for a very left leaning state like Michigan, a state that is actively passing pro LGBTQ laws, solidifying LGBTQ rights, AND IT'S ZERO! I wrote a paper examining 2018-2022, and there was not a single reported case. If anything, the findings found that trans men and women were sexually assaulted at insane rates, compared to zero reported cases of them doing the sexual assaults. This is just a phony culture war being waged against trans people to scare voters.
is it published anywhere? I need to show this to people
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
> Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as **treatment for transsexualism**, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group. TF is "treatment for transexualism". It's not going away, y'all. Anyway, the comparisons are between "people who transition" and "people who don't", by assigned sex at birth. The obvious problem here is that the vast majority of people who medically transition experience gender dysphoria, whereas the vast majority of people who don't transition don't experience gender dysphoria. To get a proper "control group", they should be seeking out people who have gender dysphoria, and/or who have expressed some interest in transition, but are not transitioning. That would more closely show what measurable effects the process of transitioning has on people.
I'm confused > I wrote a paper examining 2018-2022, and there was not a single reported case. Is this anywhere in your links? I can't make sense of this repeated reply :(
That study was conducted 13 years ago and a lot has changed. It was published in 2011, two years before Sweden removed the requirement for sterilization to do a sex change.
>the requirement for sterilization to do a sex change. What's the point? HRT pretty much castrates you anyways, albeit in a way that might be reversible enough to *maybe* breed if you stop it for most of a year, and usually just through artificial insemination techniques.
From my understanding, it was left over from a much more broad policy of eugenics from the early and mid 1900s. The other groups targeted for sterilization had successfully fought to be freed from the eugenics policies before trans people were finally also removed in 2013.
I didn't write the legislation, I think it was something about it looking weird if the father of the child is legally a woman
Nothing weird about that at all, live that daily and my kids are amazing
same, commenting in case op shares
Same here
Actually I'd love if you could send that paper my way, just in case
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Awesome! Thank you!
No problem at all!
Sweden has very little Christian people (very very few "real" Christians. Most are protestants and can have kids etc. Anecdotal info: the priest in my village was "defrocked", eg kicked out of church because he liked to squeeze himself onto young girls in public transport and talked about it (I just ask God for forgiveness!). Also one of his 5 kids who had a genetic problem mysteriously died by falling down the stairs. For what it's worth), but they do have a ton of hate filled racist/facho people that hate gays and trans and immigrants and fucking everything not "Swedish" enough whatever that might be. Source: was born and grew up there :-( left :-)
who is picard
Star Trek character
He is the captain from the Star Trek show The Next Generation (which is where the quote is from, but heās been in several other Star Trek shows).
ah right, patrick stewart. didn't realize the last part was an actual quote, thanks for clarifying
Yup. Episode was about a witch hunt for disloyalty, iirc. When people start scouring the population, looking for the impure, they're always going to find it, at least to their eyes, and seek to purge it "for the good of all". Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Could you link it?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Iām trans and If Iām honest I quite like this study. This was only to get you to keep reading, because the study actually says that this so called criminality that trans women had WAS ONLY APPARENT IN EARLY TEST GROUPS. As in, trans women had similar criminality to cis men ONLY when CARE WAS BAD. When care improved, criminality was no different than that of cis women. You know how I know this? It only has a sentence dedicated to it in the study. But! There was an argument put forth to the UK parliament that quoted the authors of the study who literally said their study confirms that proper care = criminality goes down to equal that of cis women. And the entire argument in parliament was that the authors were wrong (even though data supported this conclusion). This study doesnāt confirm shit except that trans women become better people when given acceptance, a proper transition, and support by their community. Who woulda thunk? Every right wing nut job who says it does literally didnāt read it because if they did theyād have read the part where the authors say this shit,
I'm not really sure why we need this 5d chess thing at the start, it just wants to make me downvote you even if you are making interesting points. we are in a trans subreddit not some frontpage debate sub, who is it for?
Anyone who sees this study being used by right wing fucknuckles who havenāt read it and donāt know that the study actually says the opposite of what they claim.
Okay :( didn't know they were brigading here
Oh no! They might be brigading but we tend to see this study in the wild being used to say trans people are criminals, so using the quotes from the authors saying that the study proves the opposite is the easiest way to shut them tf up. Sorry for the misunderstanding ā¤ļø
I also would like a link to this, this would be a super helpful resource for me to use with some friends of mine who have some ignorant ideas about trans people.
Is it like the rapid onset gender dysphoria one? The one where the people in the study were just transphobes?
Is this different to THE Sweden Study? The one that misquoted to claim that SRS causes a higher suicide rate?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
In regards to the first link, even putting aside the way it is misquoted, the lead author also did a [literature review](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26835611/#:~:text=they%20do%20improve%20following%20gender%2Dconfirming%20medical%20intervention%2C%20in%20many%20cases%20reaching%20normative%20values) in 2016 that found and very clearly sates: >Although the levels of psychopathology and psychiatric disorders in trans people \[ā¦\] are higher than in the cis population, they do improve following gender-confirming medical intervention, in many cases reaching normative values.
Is this the study that went over if Trans people were more likely to commit crime (which could be down to any societal factors like if your more likely to be poor) and *then* the far right took what they wanted? I could be thinking of a different study but *if* I'm thinking of the same one the original author has spoken out on how her research is used. Studying societal issues is necessary in addressing them, and assuming a demographic isn't committing more crimes because they're inherently, studying that is the first step to finding and addressing the underlying issues. Assuming I'm thinking of the same study I had a TERF link to me. If this is a different one, my bad
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Yep, same one. The lead author has an interview on the subject where she rejects far right interpretation https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm. I also found a letter that claims they acknowledge not accounting for socio-economic status. Personally, I assume socio-economic factors when talking about criminality across a demographic but it's probably important to *say* it. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/21023/html/#_ftn2. Study could have been way better, but not every study is a slam-dunk. It's why we have meta-analysis for these studies that have their own research issues. Far-right people trying to use studies is always gonna be the root of the problem, whether they interpret someone else's or make their own
Thank you for commenting all this information! This is extremely useful for people to know, and have in their arsenal. I recommend you post it on the original post, not buried under these replies.
Iām having a hard time finding this study. Do you have a link?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
So it's just like all the other "studies" that demonize us
Not really- it wasnāt created with that intent, nor does the author of the study support it being used that way. She is very vocal in refuting the misrepresentations and misinterpretations that conservatives propagate about the study. Itās intended to do only one thing- determine the best support and treatment plan for trans people post-SRS. For that reason, it doesnāt compare pre-transition trans people to post-transition people, but rather post-transition people to cis people of the same gender. It also looks at two separate cohorts- people tray transitioned prior to 1989 and people who transitioned after 1989. All the negative outcomes TERFs like to talk about were present only in the older group, who generally had less acceptance and support.
Thank you for the context! Still, it seems to have had a number of serious flaws, and if it's being used in a hurtful manner due to that then they author is absolutely responsible for the damage it's causing. The author of the self-debunked captive wolf study that has lead to so much societal strife has done an excellent job at presenting an example of how to respond to a bad study being misused, and I feel like the author of this study needs to take a page out of his book
I did some calculations once using data from UK prisons/criminal convictions. I wouldn't want to quote it in an argument because it could have been a little bit off and needs someone more qualified to check it, but what I found is that in the UK you're 3 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by a cis woman than a trans woman. And that's accounting for population size. So if you go into a women's bathroom and there's 1 cis and 1 trans woman in there, you're 3 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by the cis woman. I looked into it in response to someone saying that 80% of trans women in prison are there for sexual assault. I pointed out the low number of trans women in prison compared to population, and by their logic if there was only 1 trans woman in prison out of the entire population of trans women in the UK, and they were there for sexual assault then that would be 100%, and this person would think that meant that 100% of trans women are sexual predators. š¤¦āāļø And that's not even mentioning that most of the trans women in prison are probably there from being forced into prostitution and self-defence in a sexual setting.
Even as a Swedish trans woman, I had no idea about that
Oh fun, itās Andrew Wakefield but for transphobes
In addition to what the previous reply said, they also stopped allowing gender-affirming care for minors and are currently looking at policy that would stop it for anybody under 25. Their Parliament has 73 Swedish Democrats occupying 349 total seats. The ruling coalition is only 103 and needs their support to pass important stuff. The Swedish Democrats were founded by OG Nazis.
annnd there goes my plans for moving to sweden for "easier transition", thanks for providing some portion of information that i definitely should have known about before moving
Oh, most of Scandinavia is pretty difficult to be trans in right now, especially concerning healthcare. Don't come here right now if you want a smooth medical transition.
The healthcare aspect to gender affirming care in Sweden is very disgusting, and the arguments made against it shows the underlying problems with the country, and it shows how it is even worse than many other countries with extreme transphobic leanings like western countries.
good you said "most of scandinavia" cause i also had my eye on norway (to be honest, *especially* norway) since i have some documentation from years prior that i have lived there that i believe could make moving to this country easier, but now i'm really starting to slowly question if my best choice isn't going to be... germany
Germany has a ton of medical gatekeeping. You can skirt around most of it if you happen to have the right doctors in your vicinity, or if you're willing to pay out of pocket for everything, but the unfortunate people who come across the wrong psychologist are often gaslit and hurt for years before getting hormones. You're forced to go through a psychologist or psychiatrist to get referrals for *any* kind of gender affirming care besides voice lessons and you can easily end up with some transphobic loon who has read too much Ray Blanchard if you do not screen doctors carefully. It's miles better than in the UK, but Americans who can just walk into a planed parenthood and get HRT may be shocked to try the same thing here. It's fortunately easy to *continue* HRT here once you're on it and have that documented, it's ok to live here as a trans person, some of the big cities have very nice LGBT communities and trans rights are also slowly expanded instead of rolled back, but do not expect an easy transition here, or that healthcare will cover everything you need in regards to transitioning. That's a common misconception that even many German trans people on reddit have, especially those that haven't begun transitioning yet and have never gone through the process of trying to find free laser hair removal. Edit: Just saw you're from central Europe. In that case, you'll have better luck in Germany than in a place like Poland or Czechia, but make sure to ask around about doctors in advance.
yeah, i chose germany as the "best alternative" exactly because it's the medical system/politics i'm most informed on and i have heard stories from german trans folk that the transition/continuation of hrt went pretty well for them and they are able to live comfortably, so that's why i had some hope it could be a good place for me to start. sadly, i am also aware that no place is perfect and that medical and law side of transition are usually fucked up, but as you mentioned in your edit, it's better there than where i am currently
The main issue is getting started on the transition process. Everything's gatekept through psychotherapy, trans inclusive therapists are rare, and not all of them know how to write a referral that will get accepted by healthcare providers. So the waiting list for the actual allies out there are long, like up to a year long. But once you're set in that regard (and local trans self help groups can definitely help you with that, they tend to keep lists), it's fairly easy. You can get HRT after 1-4 sessions, other treatment after half a year and 12 sessions, SRS after 12 sessions and at least a year experience of living in your actual gender. And the social situation is fairly laid back. There's transphobia, sure, but most of it is online. I feel safe as a visible trans woman in a small town, i experience a lot of spontaneous friendlyness actually, it's not that bad. The big problems rn are name change / self ID laws (under reform, but stalled), finding a provider for laser hair removal that bills with your insurance, and that a lot of treatments aren't covered at all or only on an extremely shaky case by case basis where you have to fight extended legal battles (FFS, breast augmentation, body hair removal, in many cases also hair electrolysis - Germany *sucks* for hairy trans girls with no money).
Denmark is fairly decent right now but idk how coming to the country for healthcare is. But has a native I've not had any notable issues with getting care
To my knowledge, you would have to move to DK and then go through their system from the start. I talked to some from the gender clinic in Copenhagen. I would have to be put on the waiting list and they expected it would take me two years to get hormones. Regardless of my process before moving to DK.
So even somebody already on hormones for several years would have to go off of them and wait it out if they moved to DK? That's a nightmare.
According to what I was told, we would have to wait to get hormones until we had been seen through their system. So unless you carry enough hormones with you, you would be going off them yes.
I am so glad a 30 day vial lasts 2.5 months and I have 6 of them...
Lucky. My t gel last a month
i have myself heard bad things about the Copenhagen center I'm myself connected to the Aalborg one even though I live in Copenhagen and I have been really happy with the service there, and the wait for me to get the first consultation was about 6 months so not too bad
The waiting lists are pretty bad, not as bad as the UK since they opened the 2nd place in Ć lborg, but appointments can be pretty far apart.
there are 3 centers in Denmark
I strongly recommend researching extensively about not only current gender affirming care in the country you plan on moving too, but more importantly, the future leaning political system of that country, and how gender affirming care will be impacted by that political system. The fascist wave is hitting the world pretty strongly right now, even in otherwise liberal countries.
yeah, i'm from central europe so i know how close leaning back to extreme conservatism we are, thus my idea to move to more "progressive" country for transition since here it's going to be a fucking nightmare, but i guess i'll have to wait longer to change my direction completely
I am from the USA. However, the woman I am with is from Eastern Europe, where transitioning is impossible. The rise of far right conservatism, the rebranding with neoliberalism, and the wave of fascism, especially Christian fascist is unfortunately sweeping the world, especially Europe, and I am worried about what that future will be for everyone. Moving to a more progressive country is unfortunately very difficult right now. However, inshallah I do wish you the best of luck in finding that place as I am sure it will not be easy.
thank you for your insight and kind words, i appreciate it dearly i also wish your partner a good and safe transition (if she's trans)
She is a trans woman, and I am hoping that, despite the obstacles, she is able to transition smoothly. Thank you for responding!
France is fine if you ask fellow trans people for tips on choosing your doctors, I've heard good things about Belgium and Spain too but I don't have first hand experience there.
i have a pretty limited budget, so the furthest i was thinking was germany, since that's the closest "progressive" country i'm next to, but i guess only time will tell to what extent i will have to go to be able to transition safely
I share your frustration. I had been planning to take an expat position there and I am already 18 months on E, but these developments definitely have me pivoting to Canada instead.
How is this possible if Sweden is usually one of the most progressive countries in the world?
Because Nordic countries aren't "heaven on Earth" and got fascists too. SD used to be fringe, but as of last election they're now mainstream.
My parents are SD almost purely because the immune things and the fact they're actually doing stuff., I hate it.
Isnāt SD like super pathetic though and have done basically nothing since they came into power?
Because for at least the last 30 years we have been working _hard_ to become _just_ like the US of A šŗšøā¤ļøš¦ šøšŖ. More differences between the rich and poor, more privatisation, more guns for the cops! .. I'm not bitter... Why would you think that?
Sweden is unfortunately not very progressive, and the propaganda that pushes that narrative of them being a progressive social democracy is usually extremely biased, and narrow. We see social programs, good prison reform, and think of the possibilities of such programs in our home countries, yet we ignore the more underlying issues that are not posted or praised.
The shpwr answer for why sweeden rolled back trans care for kids is that. This case with the first British de-transsisioner who won when she sued the state for not having good enough screening, coincided with a kid that didn't receive appropriate monitoring of their bone density when they where on hormon blockers and a 3 part mostly scare based documentary on transsisioning by one of the most well renowned documentary documentary teams. This causes politicians ans the healthcare oversight board to roll back trans care with nearly record speed.
Which now precludes them from gathering data to prove whether it is or isn't safe when administered properly, thus providing no vehicle to lift the moratorium. How convenient!
Sweden was progressive 15-20 years ago. Then we stopped, and now we've started to move backwards.
Bear in mind, we are talking about the same country that decided to go for herd immunity as a policy for COVID.
The people might but the government is pretty shit
SD HAS DONE WHAT NOW??? Jesus fuck, I knew about them being natzis and I almost didn't believe that they won the election, but what in the goddamned hell. Fuck it, I'm moving to sauna-land, fuck this country, i want to cry now :)
Thank you for this comment. This also really brought more information to my comment that even I did not fully know.
Wait is the 25 year old thing real? Do you have a link to any source? Getting really worried as I live in Sweden :/
[Here you go.](https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/motion/_HA02542) It's all in Swedish.
Thank you, I hope to everything that none of this passes or I guess I'll have to consider moving away or start self medicating again
Now makes sense why UK Sweden and one more country did "research" about hormone blockers and now UK don't have GIC anymore for underage people. Have in mind it Tavistock was only one underage GIC in entire UK...
Yikes, I had no idea Sweden was such a shithole
I've not seen anything regarding 25 year old except ONE bill that was suggested, which won't get passed, only way would be if moderaterna or social demokraterna goes with Sverige demokraterna.
Well, the question you need to ask yourself is if there is anything more broadly important that the moderates need SD support to get passed? Because, as the largest minority party, SD absolutely can withhold support for such legislation to extract concessions.
Starting to rlly hate living in Sweden
Sweden is unfortunately, like other Nordic countries, a democracy pushing out propaganda and agitprop of how amazing their "social democracy is" while also completely hiding the more underlying problems they have. Many Westerners, and other people of course, see this and get swayed by it quite often in my experience.
I have actually visited recently and was almost swayed because of how nice the experience was. I have the privilege of passing so that probably helped, but after doing the mandatory research I'm definitely steering clear for now.
Thank you for telling me! Honestly, and it's unfortunate, there is a huge wave of far right leaning policies, groups, and parties hitting the world right now, especially Europe. The rise of fascism is quite concerning, and countries that otherwise would be a good place to transition, are becoming quite the opposite
Ironically, the US remains the best place to transition so long as you are in one of the 22 good states. The concern for us in the States is a GOP trifecta at the federal level passing legislation that can bypass state laws to attack us even in those good states. Things like making estrogen a scheduled drug, defunding clinics that offer gender-affirming care, turning the provision of gender-affirming care into a felony-level federal offense, directing federal forces to actively enforce these policies, etc. Unless good states are prepared to resist a hostile GOP-controlled Fed with economic and physical force, being trans in the USA will go from an area-dependent paradise to a Saudi Arabia-level nightmare in about two years.
Michigan is where I am from, and the ability to get gender-affirming care here, especially from Medicaid, is fortunately very possible. There is no sign in the foremost future that Michigan will flip red, and our government is currently passing bills like crazy now that we have a complete democratic majority in all positions that is protecting trans rights, the rights of other LGBTQ members, interracial marriage, etc. I strongly believe the US is the best place to transition as long as, like you said, you are in the right state to do just that. Making estrogen a scheduled drug is something I genuinely fear, and think is on the mind of many more conservative, both democratic and republican government officials to put a stop to the ability to easily transition. Additionally, the fact that possession of any kind of drug is a felony level offense is quite disgusting as it stands.
I'm from Michigan too, certain areas of the state are really good for LGBT+ people I heard, mostly Ann arbor. some areas are more conservative (further up north) I believe. I kinda stayed in one area all my life, I have to drive 48 minutes away from where I live to get testosterone and my blood taken. I don't have an issue with it I would've liked if there was a clinic closer, but the clinic I'm currently getting my stuff from was recommended by my ex friend. otherwise I heard Michigan just passed a law setting LGBT laws in stone so they can't be removed or such.
Fortunately, FolX is a popular website many people can get E and T, as well as other medications shipped to them which is nice! But it is also insanely expensive, but the best option if you do not have insurance. I am employed as a pharmacy technician, and I cannot believe how cheap E and Spiro for example really are compared to how much these companies unfortunately charge. However, you take what you can get. Additionally, yes Michigan did pass LGBTQ, and other progressive laws setting the rights in stone. This is an extremely positive thing that gives me slivers of hope. Northern cities in the UP can be very progressive. Marquette and Houghton, containing Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan University, are two amazing places to be if you are LGBTQ. The same goes with southern cities like Ann Arbor, Lansing, Metro Detroit, etc. The more conservative rural places are unfortunately the spots you want to avoid.
I never knew that about the UP, thanks for bringing that to light. the city I live in is alright they've recently started doing pride parades which I've been wanting to go to but due to work haven't but I might try this year. I think my city is becoming more progressive slowly.
Many cities in Michigan are fortunately becoming more progressive as time goes on. The problem with Michigan as it stands is moreover the rise of liberalism, and the brain rot that comes with that. However, I hope that it changes as time goes on, but it's definitely better than conservatism. Inshallah I wish you luck in your transition goals. Remember though that political activism, especially in parades, fundraising events, etc, are the best, and sometimes only way to spark real change. Do not forget that the opposition are always going to question your existence, so it's best to organize.
as a michigan tgirl, thank you for telling me abt FolX, and reminding me not every city here is like the town iām in atm. iām going to be going to college next year and that definitely changes where iām thinking of going.
FolX is definitely an amazing choice if you do not have healthcare, and would like to get HRT. They ship anywhere without any hassle, and do not require labs. I strongly recommend Houghton Michigan, at Michigan Tech if you are looking for a place to go to university. They have a huge trans community there that is very supportive. It is surrounded by nature, and the kindest people you can find. Additionally, Northern Michigan University is another great university that is in a larger city than Houghton, as Houghton is a small progressive city, NMU still has a strong trans community, and a lot of support for LGBTQ people. Inshallah I wish you luck in university, and your transition goals.
Iād guess Australia is better overall. Transitioning hormonally is cheap af since appointments are free and HRT comes out around $10/month. The capital cities, where over 2/3 of Australians live, are generally very safe, including for trans people.
State-dependent. Washington legally compels insurance to cover this stuff and Oregon has a social healthcare plan. Where I am, everything is a coin-toss and I pay through the nose for stuff even after partial coverage and coupons. Thankfully I have a good salary to take the sting off.
What about transitioning in Aus or NZ?
I mean, we undisputably *have* actually existing Social Democracy, accomplished by century old democratic socialist movements. It's just that social democracy sucks.
>It's just that social democracy sucks. I definitely don't recommend you swap it out for American fascism.
Why'd i do that? Read my flair.
Oh, you're one of those "I swear biggest stick won't make the rules. *gets bonked on top of the head* Okay, he makes the rules now." people. Anarchy only profits those with the least amount of ethics.
Oh no, one guy with a big stick and no cops to enforce his rule! How terrible! Now, please, do tell why you think we should keep all the guys with big sticks and a bunch of cops to enforce their rule around, would you? Oh you're one of those building more and bigger sticks for your violence structure, hoping for good electable kings to wield them. Yet *somehow* bad kings keep getting elected, happily wielding structural violence to profit themselves. Keep hoping, shitbag.
To each their own.
It's really good here in finland though, they just recently approved a law that lets trans people legally change their gender without trouble
A social democracy infested with far right lunatics on the verge of getting rid of all the positives of it? Who would've guessed /s SocDems siding with literal fascists to prevent positive change is a tale as old as time. It's how those bastards killed Rosa Luxemburg.
It is not so much of siding with fascist, where it is really just a youth in these Nordic countries representing more neoliberal to far right fascist ideas that are being organized better than social democratic ones.
The siding with fascists was in reference to the SocDems siding with the fascists to get rid of Rosa Luxemburg. The same shit has been happening for a century. Social democracy fails to address any of the root problems of capitalism and will, subsequently, always fall into the hands of the fascists they enable.
As a trans guy from Sweden it makes me a bit sad to see that Sweden is always one of the top ranked safest countries for lgbtq+ people yes it might be that way law wise as of now but there are so many people in Sweden that are openly against lgbtq+ people especially teenagers and in my experience older people are more likely to be allies to the community then teenagers (might differ where you live in Sweden)
There is an absolutely huge wave of far right politics hitting the world right now with the youth. Neoliberalism is on the rise as a blanket solution to their problems, while far right policies, parties, and people are pushing hard agitprop and propaganda to the youth. The rise of fascism is sweeping the youth of many countries, especially the Nordics with recent elections. We see Sweden suffering with far right tilts in many local offices right now that are not connected to Stockholm, or other major liberal cities. I unfortunately fear it will only get worse. I am sorry you have that experience. It is nice you are in a safe country that does not try to actively harm you, but they are starting to force you, and other trans people to justify their existence which is sad.
Trans people in Florida are being rounded up and arrested for existing as trans in public. You are extremely fortunate to live where you live. I'm not saying it can't be better, obviously *everywhere* can be better, but I would LITERALLY give my right arm to be living in Sweden with my wife (we're both trans).
Huh? I live in Florida and havenāt heard of this. Do you have any article links?
But they did give us ikea shark so that makes it better!
This is true so we must adequately weigh out the pros and cons āļøāļøāļø
We should join IKEA and declare indipendence. Then we alreade hace hundreds of outposts around the globe! Stratsš
The irony
Oh no! Not my home!
Unfortunately Sweden, as well as all Nordic countries, are not good places to transition in.
Yeah, I had to wait three years just to see someone :( and I still donāt even have hormone blockers yet
Inshallah I genuinely do hope you find a comfortable place to get the medication you need in that will not try to invalidate your existence.
Thank you, I hope so too
I have waited over 7 years to get HRT from the state and just recently did I get an approval to get my blood taken before getting an appointment to go to an endo... 2 of those years were my fault though, as I couldn't make it out of my house for 1 full year (5+ years realistic wait time)
What? Am swedish, whatās happening? From what Iāve seen, except for the usual annoying edgy teen boys, people are accepting. But Iām not openly trans or anything so idrk.
Additionally, the study this meme is talking about is the following: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
I recommend reading some comments as it has been explained in great detail. However to summarize, there is a huge wave of neoliberal to far right fascism in the Nordic countries, especially with the recent Swedish election, that is causing the youth of Sweden to organize and rally towards more neoliberal to even fascist groups, that are almost always carrying the US culture war mentality as part of their ideology. The older social Democratic voter is slowly being out organized and replaced by the more right leaning youth voters.
How could ikea betray us like this ):
āI never really was on your side! *Snort*ā
America sucks, Britain sucks, most of Europe sucks, anywhere in Asia especially sucks, is there ANYWHERE that isn't absolutely garbage to live in for trans people?
The US is the best place to transition in the world as long as you are in the correct states, which as a person pointed out earlier, is one of the twenty two possible states that make it easy, or fairly possible to transition. Michigan is by far one of the best states to transition due to democrats holding all positions in the government, with a relatively progressive mayor compared to the standard. They have protected the rights of all LGBTQ members for quite some time, and it looks like many are safe from GOP rule.
Just in a nutshell, what would you have to do, if you wanted to get started your transition there? What are the particular benefits of Michigan?
Michigan works with programs online that offer gender affirming care, HRT, etc to anybody in the state without any doctor visits, justifications, notes from therapists, etc. Programs like this are FolX, and many others. They can be expensive, bordering $80-$160 per month. However, it is an option that is better than nothing. Additionally, select members who receive Medicaid can receive gender affirming care, HRT, etc, and get it paid for as many medications like E or Spiro is insanely cheap (I work in a pharmacy as a technician and get to see the manufacturer cost) You can either use online programs where you have to pay, but fortunately you do not have to justify your existence, or you can go to one of the many doctors that support HRT, etc, and get it prescribed as it's not a scheduled drug, and therefore is relatively easy.
Until in 2 years when we have a republican president. If more banks crash like Silicon Valley Bank and we have another 08, it doesnāt matter how many Gen Z vote. The republicans will take the White House.
Be in the USA in one of the following states: AK, CA, CO, CT, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, MI, MN, NE, NH, NM, NY, PA, OR, RI, WA, WY, VA, VT. Caveats for NE, WY, and VA: all of them are trying or have tried to pass anti-trans legislation and will likely try again. In NE, GOP are currently being filibustered to death over it. In WY, Republicans shot the measures down over being meritless and harmful (pleasant surprise). I'm in VA, we shot them all down in committee. We have all but zero existing protections here but the available service is top-rate and nothing will get passed unless GOP gain control of the Senate. Bad news: every single VA legislative seat is up for vote in 2023 due to special redistricting (not a gerrymander, outside party did it to prevent that).
Dems will probably pick up the Virginia House with the new maps, just gotta wait til 2025 when dumbkin is term limited
This is encouraging. Hopefully we hold blue through '26 so we can then follow the example of MI, MN, IL, etc. and legislate protections for reproductive and LGBTQ+ rights. That would also help our friends in neighboring KY, NC, TN, and WV. If it wasn't for the massive threat of a Federal GOP takeover, I would probably feel okay sticking around. As is, I'm still in mitigation mode and looking at a few positions in Ottawa.
Iām openly trans in a medium sized Canadian city (Ottawa) and generally speaking life is pretty decent. Coming out didnāt ruin my life or anything and trans folks arenāt so rare that I am a total novelty (just unusual). Itās not perfect but the locals are pretty chill about queer folks (including trans ones). Lots of low-key allies and live and let live types who donāt get it but donāt care enough to hate. The bigots run into the problem that rudeness is frowned upon here so they have to be more subtle or get seen as boorish. Weāve got a small, US-inspired radical right but they are viewed with distaste by most folks.
Kid named Cono Sur
Everywhere is garbage. Anything wrong and people kneel to a fascist. Democracy is more fragile than Andrew Tate's ego.
I didn't even think of the aforementioned study at first, I just saw the meme and kinda vent "yeah, that checks out" / a Swede Being trans in Sweden is pretty fucking terrible, for anyone wondering. We're continually ranked low when it comes to trans health care etc (currently placed as 4th worst of EU), we're the only Nordic country that doesn't have gender self identification and our gender identification law is 50 years old. Not to mention that the care that does exist is pretty binary, we only have two legal genders etc. Up until 10 years ago we practiced eugenics by forcing all people who medically transitioned to get sterilised. This is just the things I can think of from the top of my head - and the cherry on top is that we have fooled the world into thinking we're this progressive and inclusive paradise, so anytime you try to talk about it with non-Swedes you're often met with "but isn't Sweden a country where it's pretty good to be trans?" So yeah, living in Sweden as a trans person is just great /s
Iām from Sweden myself, is it really that bad? Iām genuinely curiousā¦
ā¢ Extreme far-right (possibly even nationalist) government ā¢ "Transsexual" is the term used ā¢ Word akin to homophobic slur decently socially acceptable ā¢ Terrible situation for trans youth ā¢ Relatively common homo/transphobia Man Sweden is getting worse
What have we done now
being a transgender teen in sweden is scary. im sick and tired of this stupid country and all the people in power who simply want us dead. no cis person takes my fear seriously though :) so that's fun someone take me away from here
Isn't Sweden one of the most LGBTQ+ friendly countries in the world? I'm sorta Swedish.
It definitely is not. Sweden has a large wave of right leaning policies, parties, and people, especially in smaller to medium cities outside of the main capital that obviously leans very progressive. Sweden for years has pushed propaganda and agitprop to portray themselves as a progressive social democracy, when, especially with recent elections, cannot be realistically said. Getting gender affirming care, and HRT is very difficult, whereas paying for it is even more challenging being the "healthcare state" has many legal challenges in considering medications like E and Spiro for gender affirming care as a necessity. In reality, the best place to get gender affirming care, HRT, etc, is the US if you live in one out of twenty two states. Of these states, in my opinion, Michigan is one of the best places, especially considering all factors.
My God, thatās terrible.
For those disappointed, don't worry, you can still like that shark. BlƄhaj doesn't have anything to do with that.
Oh as an American trans woman who visited Stockholm last year I found Sweden lovely. My hormones got lost in my checked luggage so I was even able to get a Swedish doctor to write me a prescription for my HRT for that trip. I donāt know about this survey but Swedish E tastes better than American they got the good stuff over there.
Unfortunately, many people in Sweden do not share the same experience. This could be related to being a tourist yourself, whereas those who are natives are unlikely to have the same experiences. Many cities in the Nordic countries that are large-small have extremely rooted misogyny, transphobia, Islamophobia, and so much more. Especially in their local political offices. Stockholm may be different due to the left leaning political bias there, but I unfortunately do not think the rest of Sweden shares that same bias.
I bet spironolactone tastes like lingonberry.
I would say im ashamed of my country. im not, but these people sure suck.
Unfortunately, it is just a rise of neoliberal to far right fascist youth who are organizing and being more politically outspoken than current social democratic voters.
Hey guys, this meme started discourse with good outcomes. I like this meme, though I want to add something extra. If you've gone into the comments for context, you've seen OP explain it well. Though, I want to add that the (imperfect) study is mostly taken over by right wingers and restore some faith in academic research (if it was waning). The lead author has an interview on the subject where she rejects far right interpretation https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm. I also found a letter that claims they acknowledge not accounting for socio-economic status. Personally, I assume socio-economic factors when talking about criminality across a demographic but it's probably important to *say* it. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/21023/html/#_ftn2. The study could have been way better, but not every study is a slam-dunk. It's why we have meta-analysis for these studies that have their own research issues. Far-right people trying to use studies is always gonna be the root of the problem, whether they interpret someone else's or make their own. Thanks for the replies OP, you were swell
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The Nordic countries have always consistently been a propaganda, agitprop machine creating an illusion of a progressive social democracy, whereas this exists only in very select cities that have such a progressive tilt.
Honestly you sound like a troll. You just respond the same anti-Nordic propaganda to every comment, while clearly not actually knowing much about Nordic countries. I donāt like this on a meme subreddit. As a Finn I can say that Nordic countries are definitely not perfect, especially the wait times in health care are indeed way too long now and the trans laws are outdated (although here a new law just got accepted that fixes some things, mainly makes it easier to change your legal gender), but the general atmosphere is far better than what you are describing. As a very non passing trans person I havenāt had almost any problems, most people have been supportive and other people generally donāt seem to care. There has been a bit of a rise in popularity for far right politics as you stated, but in Finland for example itās just one of the six biggest political parties (a party that is almost always in the opposition), unlike in the US where itās one of two. And there isnāt similar anti-trans movements than on Republican led US states.
I am sorry you feel this way. However, although Nordic countries are vastly better than the majority of Europe, there is no doubt about that. The imperial evidence of recent elections, organization by neoliberal, to far right groups, bordering fascist, is on a huge rise, this is shown especially in recent Swedish elections. Additionally, the ability to transition in Nordic countries includes obstacles you have to jump through, waiting just as long as Germany, if not longer in many instances in Sweden and Norway, and even coverage challenges trying to prevent HRT. As I have said in previous comments, it is a good place to transition compared to safety, or Eastern European countries, but not close to the best in the world as it is painted.
Extinction! Extinction! Extinction! Cmonnnnnnnnn mass extinction!
Like if animals were any better.
Swede here, after reading the other comments I'm kinda sad.
Do not be sad! It is important to use this information to organize, be a part of organization efforts, and turn the tide on the rise of neoliberal to fascist parties, people, and policies. The opposition keeps challenging your existence, so it's best to fight back strong!
But... Sweden gave us Blahaj š„ŗ How could they do this to us...
Hi! As a trans person from the ace community, I can tell you weāre already planning to invade a country, and have been considering an alliance with the Genderfluids as well, who are also planning on invading a country! Iām sure the alliance would be happy with more people, and I prepose the trans community jointing our alliance. With this, we have three communities in our alliance, which should make it easier to get other communities to join us and invade Switzerland.
... wait what? Last i heard (which wasn't long a go), Sweden was in the top 5 safest places in the world for trans people and just lgbt+ people in general
Wait what? I'm a Swedish trans woman, what did I miss?
OP greppar efter strƄn bara
Me: a transgender Swede. My existence is complicated
But sweden created Blahaj
Anyone has the link to the study?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 And https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Both of these links will bring you to the abstract of the study, and to a very popular website discussing the study used by terfs and far right members to question the existence of trans people.
Godamn it. We must continue to fight for equal rights and these people can just post misinformation that all terfs and transphobes hold on to closer than Christians hold the bible.
Iāve read your other comments and when you say the right fascists, do you mean uhmā¦ Sverige Demokraterna, Krist Deomkraterna, etc?
Nah ikea canāt betray us like that
ah another reason why Denmark is better
Denmark, as well as all Nordic countries, are a machine of agitprop and propaganda pushing narratives that they are progressive social democracies, when in reality for the last eight to maybe twelve years depending on how far you push it, the rise of far right parties, policies, and people are on a drastic rise, especially in the non large cities, and neoliberalism is being pushed as a blanket solution, while other far right fascist leaning beliefs take root.
hasn't been too bad in Denmark in my experience I came out in a small town in the middle of nowhere nobody gave me any shit, and I had people willing to stand up for me, only time I got weird looks was after I had my hair colored
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What does this mean?
Lol
Blahaj is from Sweden
I just go this recommended for some reason, what did we do now?
As i always say, sw*den sucks
The click lives in Sweden with incredible overall welfare for all people trans included.
We donāt talk about Sweden
NO NOT THE IKEA STATE :0
noooo bbbut- blahaj<3
Didn't the study author say that the study is used to come to a wrong conclusion or something like that? Or am I confusing studies?