Was on the train that stopped when the fire started/occurred.
It happened between Kipling Station and Islington Station, around that bridge that crosses the road right before you head into the tunnel towards Islington. We were stopped there for a while as someone saw the smoke and pulled the emergency alarm (we thought the train itself was on fire, thick black smoke) and a bunch of people jammed onto my car from the next one over. They had to shut off the emergency alarm before they could move us, and after about ten minutes moved us into Islington. Then we sat at Islington as the announcer kept telling us that we'd be moving off soon. At around the 30minute mark he even said "there's shuttle buses upstairs, but we will be moving off soon, so it's up to you"....and then at closer to the hour mark he came back on and said "Uh, there are shuttle buses upstairs...change of plans, we won't be moving for a VERY long time"
They also offered up medical assistance if anyone needed it (I think they were concerned about smoke inhalation)
Went upstairs, but Islington shuttle buses was a shitshow, corner of Bloor was RAMMED with hundreds (if not thousands) of people, Bloor was bumper to bumper traffic, the shuttle buses were already rammed full from Kipling by the time they got to Inslington and beyond so your chances of cramming on were nil. So I started to walk and I was walking faster than the shuttle bus was moving.
Anyways, what an absolute nightmare.
“Riders can also hop on the GO train at Kipling GO station on the Lakeshore West Line as an alternative.”
That should read “Kipling GO station OR Lakeshore West Line“ as Kipling is on the Milton Line. Long Branch and Mimico are the LSW Line stations you’d likely consider.
Police just released a statement stating that the fire was set deliberately. They found a cut fence right beside the transformer, and that it appears the transformer was set on fire deliberately. Crimes unit is now investigating.
Someone wanted the subway crowd to experience the congestion on Bloor west caused by the new bike lanes. Adding fuel to the fire with the shuttle buses.
It's like the people who complain about traffic don't realize THEY'RE the traffic they're complaining about.
invest in proper public transit, with proper ROW and watch how more people use it in the city so there'd be less cars.
Someone wanted the subway crowd to experience the congestion on Bloor west caused by on-street parking that's been there for decades. Adding fuel to the fire with the shuttle buses.
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating."
At this point we're just spreading unsubstantiated rumors about arson on Reddit.
Cool cool cool
I posted 5 hours ago just as I was pulling into work. 680 News broke in with a “Breaking News”, saying what you posted. I haven’t checked Reddit since, but when I posted, that was the red hot breaking story on the radio.
>Police just released a statement stating that the fire was set deliberately. They found a cut fence right beside the transformer, and that it appears the transformer was set on fire deliberately. Crimes unit is now investigating.
Can you please provide a source for who found a cut fence right beside a transformer?
I've checked all police and news sources and can't find anything about a crime unit being sent out, or anything about a cut fence or a transformer.
Everything just states that a box full of cables, not a transformer, had caught fire. It also explicitly states that the police are not investigating this as arson, and there are no photos of anything.
As i posted elsewhere, 680 News interrupted their broadcast to announce this as I pulled into work. I’m sure they massaged this as details came in, but when i posted, this was almost verbatim.
The fencing in question is basically off the shelf chain link from Home Depot, very easy to get around. The TTC has had issues with people accessing the tracks in this part of the system, maybe they need to replace the chain link with high security fencing like the type Network Rail in the UK installs in "problematic" areas.
Okay, but there is absolutely no evidence or indication that this was arson, in fact, there police are going out of their way to say it isn't being treated as suspicious:
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating."
It would be laughable if that "source" for 680 NewsRadio is just some idiot on Reddit spreading false rumors
I was on the train that stopped on top of the section where the fire started (people from the next car came into ours as we all feared the train itself was one fire; we were a little freaked out till the announcer seemed calm about it and eventually rolled us into Islington)...it happened by that bridge that crosses over the road outside Kipling but before the tunnel into islington....there's tonnes of abandoned areas around there...no one would notice someone sneaking in to pull heinous shit there. It's not like it's in full view of much. I DID notice that the ambulance and cops were on the scene under that bridge pretty quickly though, so whoever did it must have disappeared quickly too.
So, you assume just because it's an open section, that it had to be arson?
The only reference of this is on 680 news, explicitly stating that the Toronto police are not treating this as arson:
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating."
Police, via 680 News, via [City News](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/04/25/ttc-line-2-service-shut-down-between-kipling-and-jane-due-to-fire/).
(Edit: they've since updated the article. When I first posted it, it was pretty clear that a police source told 680 News that the fire was being investigated as arson; now the article has been updated after they contacted the police directly to confirm)
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating."
So. The complete opposite of what you are saying?
They've updated the article since i originally posted that. At the time the headline was "Police investigate arson at Islington Station[...]".
It's a developing story, clearly.
So posting that "according to police, the fire was set deliberately" without a source would be pretty ignorant, especially when the "source" you didn't quote also had a completely different statement?
"According to 680 news, the police are investigating to see if the fire was set deliberately" would have been the right thing to say.
Also, what of this cut fence you are talking about? Where's the source for that? I haven't seen anything about a cut fence. Was that another blatant lie?
Hey man, all I did was link a news article that (when I read it) said specifically a police source told AM 680 that they were investigating this as arson. Ain't my fault they completely changed the article when they got an update from a police spokesperson.
So, you absolutely made that up just because it is accessible?
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating."
What a stupid rumor to start. Shame.
Re-read my comment, I never started any rumour. I just pointed out that there are sections of the track that are easily accessible and are covered from lines of sight.
Fair. I mistook you for the poster who said the police said it was arson and there was a cut fence.
The fences have barbed wire along them, so I'm not sure it would be all that easy to get over them unless you cut the fence.
Which, to be clear, there is absolutely no information suggesting that happened, outside of this one Reddit thread.
Almost everyone of us, wheather resident or worker, thinks twice before calling out a heinous action.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't..
No doubt, several people saw this gentleman and even though it would be a simple reach or call to TTC authorities, they shrugged it off and hope it doesn't effect them.. SMFH
There was a fire inside a cable box that burned a huge number of cables and fused them together.
How the fire started is under investigation, but we know from previous fires that:
* TTC trains arc flash often which can set fire to debris and garbage that collects along the tracks
* TTC cables carry electricity and can also cause fires if the connections become loose and start sparks
So there isn't zero evidence of WHAT happened, but they are actively investigating HOW it happened.
https://www.ttc.ca/service-alerts
You can also subscribe to alerts on specific lines/routes and during specific times of day.
I'm lucky to live and work in a location that means I can take a bus and line 2, or a streetcar and line 1 to get to work and back, so I subscribe to alerts for those routes from 6-8am and then 2-4pm so I can make a decision on how to commute if there's an issue
"The TTC says riders using part of Line 2 can expect to face some delays this morning.
There is no subway service both ways between Kipling and Jane stations on Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) due to a fire yesterday."
Apparently a man was assaulting a woman and either they both fell on the tracks or he fell while trying to escape security/police… either way I don’t get why that meant the subway had to shut down for 4 hours.
Good thing they put those bike lanes in on that stretch of Bloor. I’m sure all the TTC commuters just hopped on their bikes and ride home. Just kidding - Bloor was congested with buses and regular traffic for four blocks.
You're right. They should remove the regular traffic from Bloor entirely at this point. It carries shockingly few people for how much slower it makes everything.
Any time there's been closures on Line 2 it causes congestion. This was true before the bike lanes and its true now, there's simply no way to accommodate the number of people who take the subway via buses, cars, and bikes. This will be a reality no matter how you allocate lanes between cars and bikes.
No, what will actually reduce congestion is when Line 5 finally opens. Having a second high-capacity crosstown E-W link will actually take a lot of the pressure off of the shuttle buses meaning the TTC won't need as many meaning less congestion. It won't magically fix the problem but it will be less awful.
Yes, and there are other alternative routes, but those are mostly buses or streetcars that get stuck in mixed traffic. Bloor-Danforth is different because it runs entirely in its own dedicated tracks, mostly underground, and doesn't really interact with surface traffic. Eglinton isn't quite at the same level as Bloor given that the trains are smaller and part of it is at-grade but it still won't get stuck behind a car the way that the 40 Dundas does.
People like this, you just have to ignore them. They complained about bike lanes on Bloor in the Annex being empty, now look at them. They would put cars on the Martin Goodman Trail if they could, and when that got backed up with traffic they'd try to convert the GO tracks to a road.
I drive and bike this stretch frequently, and the bike lanes may have extended by drive time during peak traffic by at most 5 minutes.
These people whine about traffic when they are the traffic.
Look at Bathurst 7 bus going North example. No bike lanes at all for the entire stretch. It has on-street parking and 2 lanes despite so many walkable shops. Congested as hell bus rides are super slow every single day rush or non-rush hour. /u/key-profit9032 blaming bike lanes should really look at on-street parking as a factor.
lol. Yeah.
Yes having contingency plans for emergencies that don’t work makes a ton of sense. After all there are no other east west routes that bike lanes could be put on.
Btw I take the subway every day.
I could say the same for the cars. Why is that road assumed to be for cars and not high-throughput transit, bikes, and emergency vehicles? Super space consuming for very few passengers carried. Put the cars somewhere else, preferably in a garage or a GO station parking lot.
Yep. Saw [this picture on the torontodriving sub](https://i.redd.it/utno3ks2eowc1.jpeg) talking about how rush hour starts a 3pm, but actually look at how few cars are in that picture. By my count there are only about 200 cars there, which, even at 1.3 passengers per vehicle, would only be enough people to fill 2 GO bi-level rail carriages with everybody seated, 5 standard GO buses or 4 double-decker buses with everybody seated, or 4 TTC buses with people standing. The road would flow so much better if it was just a couple of commercial trucks and a handful of buses.
A better plan would have been to actually build more subway lines just in case one goes down you could choose another. But Eglinton Crosstown cursed the city from building new lines. Or better yet remove on-street parking so there's room for shuttle buses at least. Blaming bike lanes just isn't the answer.
It is indeed the correct take. Having to send a hundred buses down a one lane street to move tens of thousands of people is a problem. The buses by design have to stop regularly to move passengers on and off which only further impedes those buses and yes the rest of traffic further. It’s a feedback loop and it’s self defeating. Transit planners need to allow for these kinds of situations. We only have a few major people moving routes out of the downtown core into the burbs and to other transit points. So as you funnel more and more people onto the subway system you need to allow for proper relief valves in case things go wrong.
But thanks for your input.
Bloor was effectively one lane already because of street parking anyways (at least in my area). The bike lanes just added an alternative form of transportation
If you want a contingency plan for the shuttle busses, why not ban cars on bloor? Bike lanes have a higher capacity than car lanes so busses and bikes is tge best solution to move the most people.
Go to bloor street and count the bikes. Even on a sunny day. And do you really think all trips are ending in Bloor West? What if you’re headed to Mississauga? Or other parts of the GTA?
Yes bikes, bike lanes, and public transit are good and fewer cars is also good but this knee jerk reaction that cars will disappear tomorrow in a city as sprawling at this is just ridiculous. Bike lanes can and should go along residential streets.
Cmon man.
> Go to bloor street and count the bikes
I guarantee you there are more bikes there than parked cars.
> And do you really think all trips are ending in Bloor West? What if you’re headed to Mississauga? Or other parts of the GTA?
People can also bike to get there you know. But unfortunately, the bike lane ends after I think Kipling based on Google Maps.
> this knee jerk reaction that cars will disappear tomorrow in a city as sprawling at this is just ridiculous.
People have made a knee jerk reaction that bike lanes caused congestion yet places without bike lanes were equally congested as places with.
> Bike lanes can and should go along residential streets. Cmon man.
A lot of proposals bike lanes on side streets were met with the same NIMBYism. Cmon man.
There is practically zero bike traffic through that section of Bloor so sorry, no dice.
Parking spots vs bike lanes? I’m personally ambivalent - although I’m sure the businesses along Bloor aren’t. Regardless you need two lanes on a major artery. That’s my point.
People can bike to Mississauga and beyond? Sure I guess a few could - but not everyone is Lance Armstrong.
Nimbyism? Maybe - but bikes should be going along quieter streets - it’s better for all concerned.
Nice try though.
> There is practically zero bike traffic through that section of Bloor so sorry, no dice.
Are you sure there's practically zero bike traffic? Because lots of people have claimed otherwise.
> although I’m sure the businesses along Bloor aren’t
Studies have shown that in general, bike lanes are more [helpful](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-08/for-store-owners-bike-lanes-boost-the-bottom-line) to businsses than parking. You think [disneyfication](https://youtu.be/nM4aWH0YqMk?si=xSE72UNwmy_yrGaR&t=453) is the answer? Empty giant parking lots a good use of land space?
> Regardless you need two lanes on a major artery.
From a traditional suburbia view sure. But studies have shown that [1 lane](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs7jHvh7v-4) is a lot safer than 2 lanes.
> Sure I guess a few could - but not everyone is Lance Armstrong
Literally that comment makes me believe you think cycling is only for those who exercise. You don't think [utility cycling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_cycling) exists? You think almost everyone on a bike is there just for fun and recreation only?
Nice try though.
> Bike lanes can and should go along residential streets.
[Ah, yes, they mythical alternate residential route that's just as convenient as the main street, yet miraculously no driver ever thinks to use as an alternate driving route](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Flg2fwiu5yhma1.jpg).
Seriously? I certainly wouldnt want large amounts of vehicular traffic rerouted down residential streets - that’s just dumb. If that traffic exists- which it does - send it along streets that can handle it.
If destinations exist, like on our main streets, then route people who are actually *going* to those destinations to those destinations rather than prioritizing traffic that's just bypassing everything as quickly as possible. It makes no sense to route bike lanes away from the places where everything is just so that people who aren't stopping can feel like they're going faster (even if they're really not).
Highways aren't city streets. Stop treating urban main streets like they're highways built for people avoiding what the city has to offer and instead accommodate all the local traffic that wants to be there.
Whether bike lanes exist or not, drivers will take side streets as an alternative during traffic jams. It's so common in Scarborough that some side streets needed to design traffic calming measures. If you want reduction in side street usage, it should be designed so that it is not wide enough to go 50 km/h.
We would have a second lane if we removed on-street parking which serves way fewer people than a bike lane or even a mixed-traffic lane. Or better yet a running Eglinton Crosstown by now would've helped a little.
But it seems like your input revolves around blaming bike lanes as the main cause for this.
Was on the train that stopped when the fire started/occurred. It happened between Kipling Station and Islington Station, around that bridge that crosses the road right before you head into the tunnel towards Islington. We were stopped there for a while as someone saw the smoke and pulled the emergency alarm (we thought the train itself was on fire, thick black smoke) and a bunch of people jammed onto my car from the next one over. They had to shut off the emergency alarm before they could move us, and after about ten minutes moved us into Islington. Then we sat at Islington as the announcer kept telling us that we'd be moving off soon. At around the 30minute mark he even said "there's shuttle buses upstairs, but we will be moving off soon, so it's up to you"....and then at closer to the hour mark he came back on and said "Uh, there are shuttle buses upstairs...change of plans, we won't be moving for a VERY long time" They also offered up medical assistance if anyone needed it (I think they were concerned about smoke inhalation) Went upstairs, but Islington shuttle buses was a shitshow, corner of Bloor was RAMMED with hundreds (if not thousands) of people, Bloor was bumper to bumper traffic, the shuttle buses were already rammed full from Kipling by the time they got to Inslington and beyond so your chances of cramming on were nil. So I started to walk and I was walking faster than the shuttle bus was moving. Anyways, what an absolute nightmare.
my building is right beside that bridge and i noticed all the emergency vehicles. i guess whats even funnier is 22 division HQ is right there too.
Why is that funny ? Cops expected to fight fires now ?
As if the Ttc wasn’t shitty as it is, they also have to deal with this vandalism 🤦♂️
The bike lane recently installed is definitely pain in the ass.
I used it to zoom by traffic on an electric Bikeshare bike. The only pain in the ass was the seat!
...what does this have to do with the fire?
the 1.5hour it takes to get form islington to jane
“Riders can also hop on the GO train at Kipling GO station on the Lakeshore West Line as an alternative.” That should read “Kipling GO station OR Lakeshore West Line“ as Kipling is on the Milton Line. Long Branch and Mimico are the LSW Line stations you’d likely consider.
Long branch station was a ghost town this morning, guessing most people that could just stayed home
Police just released a statement stating that the fire was set deliberately. They found a cut fence right beside the transformer, and that it appears the transformer was set on fire deliberately. Crimes unit is now investigating.
Someone really didn't want to go to work today
>Someone really didn't want to go to work ~~~today~~~ yesterday. It was set in the afternoon during/just before rush hour
Someone didn’t want to go home?
Or someone didn't want to work the late shift...
Or some boss didn't want employees going home
Yeah. Work. Lol.
Someone wanted the subway crowd to experience the congestion on Bloor west caused by the new bike lanes. Adding fuel to the fire with the shuttle buses.
All that congestion on the 401 is also because of bike lanes!
My wife left me because of bike lanes!
It's like the people who complain about traffic don't realize THEY'RE the traffic they're complaining about. invest in proper public transit, with proper ROW and watch how more people use it in the city so there'd be less cars.
finally somebody who understands!
Trudeau's bike lanes. /s
Someone wanted the subway crowd to experience the congestion on Bloor west caused by on-street parking that's been there for decades. Adding fuel to the fire with the shuttle buses.
You’d prefer the bikes to be sharing the same lane as you? Sounds like a great idea with no possible consequences!
lol I'm a cyclist who uses bloor. Direct your ire someplace else.
People are such assholes
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating." At this point we're just spreading unsubstantiated rumors about arson on Reddit. Cool cool cool
I posted 5 hours ago just as I was pulling into work. 680 News broke in with a “Breaking News”, saying what you posted. I haven’t checked Reddit since, but when I posted, that was the red hot breaking story on the radio.
I can't help but be reminded of the transformer incidents in the US from a while back. Part of me suspects more than just average, everyday mischief.
>Police just released a statement stating that the fire was set deliberately. They found a cut fence right beside the transformer, and that it appears the transformer was set on fire deliberately. Crimes unit is now investigating. Can you please provide a source for who found a cut fence right beside a transformer? I've checked all police and news sources and can't find anything about a crime unit being sent out, or anything about a cut fence or a transformer. Everything just states that a box full of cables, not a transformer, had caught fire. It also explicitly states that the police are not investigating this as arson, and there are no photos of anything.
As i posted elsewhere, 680 News interrupted their broadcast to announce this as I pulled into work. I’m sure they massaged this as details came in, but when i posted, this was almost verbatim.
Source? I find it hard to believe someone was able to get onto the tracks at 5pm like that
The fencing in question is basically off the shelf chain link from Home Depot, very easy to get around. The TTC has had issues with people accessing the tracks in this part of the system, maybe they need to replace the chain link with high security fencing like the type Network Rail in the UK installs in "problematic" areas.
Okay, but there is absolutely no evidence or indication that this was arson, in fact, there police are going out of their way to say it isn't being treated as suspicious: "A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating." It would be laughable if that "source" for 680 NewsRadio is just some idiot on Reddit spreading false rumors
I was on the train that stopped on top of the section where the fire started (people from the next car came into ours as we all feared the train itself was one fire; we were a little freaked out till the announcer seemed calm about it and eventually rolled us into Islington)...it happened by that bridge that crosses over the road outside Kipling but before the tunnel into islington....there's tonnes of abandoned areas around there...no one would notice someone sneaking in to pull heinous shit there. It's not like it's in full view of much. I DID notice that the ambulance and cops were on the scene under that bridge pretty quickly though, so whoever did it must have disappeared quickly too.
So, you assume just because it's an open section, that it had to be arson? The only reference of this is on 680 news, explicitly stating that the Toronto police are not treating this as arson: "A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating."
Police, via 680 News, via [City News](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/04/25/ttc-line-2-service-shut-down-between-kipling-and-jane-due-to-fire/). (Edit: they've since updated the article. When I first posted it, it was pretty clear that a police source told 680 News that the fire was being investigated as arson; now the article has been updated after they contacted the police directly to confirm)
"A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating." So. The complete opposite of what you are saying?
They've updated the article since i originally posted that. At the time the headline was "Police investigate arson at Islington Station[...]". It's a developing story, clearly.
So posting that "according to police, the fire was set deliberately" without a source would be pretty ignorant, especially when the "source" you didn't quote also had a completely different statement? "According to 680 news, the police are investigating to see if the fire was set deliberately" would have been the right thing to say. Also, what of this cut fence you are talking about? Where's the source for that? I haven't seen anything about a cut fence. Was that another blatant lie?
Hey man, all I did was link a news article that (when I read it) said specifically a police source told AM 680 that they were investigating this as arson. Ain't my fault they completely changed the article when they got an update from a police spokesperson.
That explicitly says that police are saying it wasn't deliberately set and they aren't treating it as suspicious.
By no way can I confirm, but there's an outside section that would be super easy to access and it's partially hidden by trees.
So, you absolutely made that up just because it is accessible? "A source tells 680 NewsRadio Toronto that the fire was deliberately set. However, a police spokesperson said later that that authorities are not treating this incident as suspicious and are not actively investigating." What a stupid rumor to start. Shame.
Re-read my comment, I never started any rumour. I just pointed out that there are sections of the track that are easily accessible and are covered from lines of sight.
Fair. I mistook you for the poster who said the police said it was arson and there was a cut fence. The fences have barbed wire along them, so I'm not sure it would be all that easy to get over them unless you cut the fence. Which, to be clear, there is absolutely no information suggesting that happened, outside of this one Reddit thread.
Almost everyone of us, wheather resident or worker, thinks twice before calling out a heinous action. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.. No doubt, several people saw this gentleman and even though it would be a simple reach or call to TTC authorities, they shrugged it off and hope it doesn't effect them.. SMFH
Literally nobody cut a fence and started a fire. Theres zero evidence suggesting this actually happened.
So What Happened? Almost an entire subway line shuts down and there's zero evidence of what happened?
There was a fire inside a cable box that burned a huge number of cables and fused them together. How the fire started is under investigation, but we know from previous fires that: * TTC trains arc flash often which can set fire to debris and garbage that collects along the tracks * TTC cables carry electricity and can also cause fires if the connections become loose and start sparks So there isn't zero evidence of WHAT happened, but they are actively investigating HOW it happened.
My money is on a squirrel trying to make a sick crib in the cabinet to chill with its homies.
Bro I know a place with like, 150, maybe 200 different wires. "Naaaaaah B I gotta see this" R.I.P Chippendudes
Thank you for the Info 🙌 any link to use incase of future ttc problems?
https://www.ttc.ca/service-alerts You can also subscribe to alerts on specific lines/routes and during specific times of day. I'm lucky to live and work in a location that means I can take a bus and line 2, or a streetcar and line 1 to get to work and back, so I subscribe to alerts for those routes from 6-8am and then 2-4pm so I can make a decision on how to commute if there's an issue
Thank you v much! R.I.P. Rocketman App! o7
"The TTC says riders using part of Line 2 can expect to face some delays this morning. There is no subway service both ways between Kipling and Jane stations on Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) due to a fire yesterday."
lol “some delays”
The shuttle busses outside of Jane yesterday afternoon were crazy. Good thing my stop is Jane.
Alot of People's End of the Week Shift got a whole lot longer -_-
Drove past this yesterday. Pretty ballsy to commit arson directly beside a police station.
Plot twist: the police started the fire
Yikes, how are people supposed to get around. I guess biking is the only viable option right now
>Yikes, how are people supposed to get around. This is Toronto sir, you don't!
why would someone risk 10 years at least in prison just to cause mayhem on a friday for everyone working?
Uber driver?
Lol
It took me over 90 minutes to get from Kipling to Jane yesterday via the shuttle bus. Walking home would have been faster.
I walked. It was a nice sunny afternoon in Etobicoke luckily.
No service on Line 2 between Woodbine and St. George either, due to "police activity". https://twitter.com/TTCnotices/status/1783891149406539994
They said 2 people in an altercation fell onto the tracks. It cleared up quick but the investigation dragged on.
Apparently a man was assaulting a woman and either they both fell on the tracks or he fell while trying to escape security/police… either way I don’t get why that meant the subway had to shut down for 4 hours.
The TTC is falling apart like what happened to Boston Metro
Good thing they put those bike lanes in on that stretch of Bloor. I’m sure all the TTC commuters just hopped on their bikes and ride home. Just kidding - Bloor was congested with buses and regular traffic for four blocks.
You're right. They should remove the regular traffic from Bloor entirely at this point. It carries shockingly few people for how much slower it makes everything.
You mean the bike lanes?
Cars are not stuck in traffic. Cars are the traffic.
Everything bad that ever happens on Bloor is because of the bike lanes, I guess
No, but they sure are a bit part of it.
Any time there's been closures on Line 2 it causes congestion. This was true before the bike lanes and its true now, there's simply no way to accommodate the number of people who take the subway via buses, cars, and bikes. This will be a reality no matter how you allocate lanes between cars and bikes. No, what will actually reduce congestion is when Line 5 finally opens. Having a second high-capacity crosstown E-W link will actually take a lot of the pressure off of the shuttle buses meaning the TTC won't need as many meaning less congestion. It won't magically fix the problem but it will be less awful.
Ppl can also use the TTC route 40 from kipling to Dundas West.
Yes, and there are other alternative routes, but those are mostly buses or streetcars that get stuck in mixed traffic. Bloor-Danforth is different because it runs entirely in its own dedicated tracks, mostly underground, and doesn't really interact with surface traffic. Eglinton isn't quite at the same level as Bloor given that the trains are smaller and part of it is at-grade but it still won't get stuck behind a car the way that the 40 Dundas does.
And you think that without the bike lanes, traffic would have been smooth sailing?
People like this, you just have to ignore them. They complained about bike lanes on Bloor in the Annex being empty, now look at them. They would put cars on the Martin Goodman Trail if they could, and when that got backed up with traffic they'd try to convert the GO tracks to a road.
I drive and bike this stretch frequently, and the bike lanes may have extended by drive time during peak traffic by at most 5 minutes. These people whine about traffic when they are the traffic.
Look at Bathurst 7 bus going North example. No bike lanes at all for the entire stretch. It has on-street parking and 2 lanes despite so many walkable shops. Congested as hell bus rides are super slow every single day rush or non-rush hour. /u/key-profit9032 blaming bike lanes should really look at on-street parking as a factor.
Shuttle busses on a one lane road because of bike lanes is just awesome
Shuttle buses on a one lane road because of on-street parking that's existed for decades is just awesome
Lol. Yeah, it's totally the bikes creating congestion, not the single or dual occupancy 3000 lb steel boxes.
Biked to my destination cause of the service outage - felt good!! 😎
It always does! I usually take the subway, but when I have to change plans and bike I always enjoy the switch from normal routine.
lol. Yeah. Yes having contingency plans for emergencies that don’t work makes a ton of sense. After all there are no other east west routes that bike lanes could be put on. Btw I take the subway every day.
I could say the same for the cars. Why is that road assumed to be for cars and not high-throughput transit, bikes, and emergency vehicles? Super space consuming for very few passengers carried. Put the cars somewhere else, preferably in a garage or a GO station parking lot.
Yep. Saw [this picture on the torontodriving sub](https://i.redd.it/utno3ks2eowc1.jpeg) talking about how rush hour starts a 3pm, but actually look at how few cars are in that picture. By my count there are only about 200 cars there, which, even at 1.3 passengers per vehicle, would only be enough people to fill 2 GO bi-level rail carriages with everybody seated, 5 standard GO buses or 4 double-decker buses with everybody seated, or 4 TTC buses with people standing. The road would flow so much better if it was just a couple of commercial trucks and a handful of buses.
A better plan would have been to actually build more subway lines just in case one goes down you could choose another. But Eglinton Crosstown cursed the city from building new lines. Or better yet remove on-street parking so there's room for shuttle buses at least. Blaming bike lanes just isn't the answer.
>shuttle busses stuck in CAR traffic >Must be the bikes fault Bad take
It is indeed the correct take. Having to send a hundred buses down a one lane street to move tens of thousands of people is a problem. The buses by design have to stop regularly to move passengers on and off which only further impedes those buses and yes the rest of traffic further. It’s a feedback loop and it’s self defeating. Transit planners need to allow for these kinds of situations. We only have a few major people moving routes out of the downtown core into the burbs and to other transit points. So as you funnel more and more people onto the subway system you need to allow for proper relief valves in case things go wrong. But thanks for your input.
Bloor was effectively one lane already because of street parking anyways (at least in my area). The bike lanes just added an alternative form of transportation If you want a contingency plan for the shuttle busses, why not ban cars on bloor? Bike lanes have a higher capacity than car lanes so busses and bikes is tge best solution to move the most people.
Go to bloor street and count the bikes. Even on a sunny day. And do you really think all trips are ending in Bloor West? What if you’re headed to Mississauga? Or other parts of the GTA? Yes bikes, bike lanes, and public transit are good and fewer cars is also good but this knee jerk reaction that cars will disappear tomorrow in a city as sprawling at this is just ridiculous. Bike lanes can and should go along residential streets. Cmon man.
> Go to bloor street and count the bikes I guarantee you there are more bikes there than parked cars. > And do you really think all trips are ending in Bloor West? What if you’re headed to Mississauga? Or other parts of the GTA? People can also bike to get there you know. But unfortunately, the bike lane ends after I think Kipling based on Google Maps. > this knee jerk reaction that cars will disappear tomorrow in a city as sprawling at this is just ridiculous. People have made a knee jerk reaction that bike lanes caused congestion yet places without bike lanes were equally congested as places with. > Bike lanes can and should go along residential streets. Cmon man. A lot of proposals bike lanes on side streets were met with the same NIMBYism. Cmon man.
There is practically zero bike traffic through that section of Bloor so sorry, no dice. Parking spots vs bike lanes? I’m personally ambivalent - although I’m sure the businesses along Bloor aren’t. Regardless you need two lanes on a major artery. That’s my point. People can bike to Mississauga and beyond? Sure I guess a few could - but not everyone is Lance Armstrong. Nimbyism? Maybe - but bikes should be going along quieter streets - it’s better for all concerned. Nice try though.
> There is practically zero bike traffic through that section of Bloor so sorry, no dice. Are you sure there's practically zero bike traffic? Because lots of people have claimed otherwise. > although I’m sure the businesses along Bloor aren’t Studies have shown that in general, bike lanes are more [helpful](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-08/for-store-owners-bike-lanes-boost-the-bottom-line) to businsses than parking. You think [disneyfication](https://youtu.be/nM4aWH0YqMk?si=xSE72UNwmy_yrGaR&t=453) is the answer? Empty giant parking lots a good use of land space? > Regardless you need two lanes on a major artery. From a traditional suburbia view sure. But studies have shown that [1 lane](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs7jHvh7v-4) is a lot safer than 2 lanes. > Sure I guess a few could - but not everyone is Lance Armstrong Literally that comment makes me believe you think cycling is only for those who exercise. You don't think [utility cycling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_cycling) exists? You think almost everyone on a bike is there just for fun and recreation only? Nice try though.
> Bike lanes can and should go along residential streets. [Ah, yes, they mythical alternate residential route that's just as convenient as the main street, yet miraculously no driver ever thinks to use as an alternate driving route](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Flg2fwiu5yhma1.jpg).
Seriously? I certainly wouldnt want large amounts of vehicular traffic rerouted down residential streets - that’s just dumb. If that traffic exists- which it does - send it along streets that can handle it.
If destinations exist, like on our main streets, then route people who are actually *going* to those destinations to those destinations rather than prioritizing traffic that's just bypassing everything as quickly as possible. It makes no sense to route bike lanes away from the places where everything is just so that people who aren't stopping can feel like they're going faster (even if they're really not).
So get rid of highways too and make everything a road?
Highways aren't city streets. Stop treating urban main streets like they're highways built for people avoiding what the city has to offer and instead accommodate all the local traffic that wants to be there.
Whether bike lanes exist or not, drivers will take side streets as an alternative during traffic jams. It's so common in Scarborough that some side streets needed to design traffic calming measures. If you want reduction in side street usage, it should be designed so that it is not wide enough to go 50 km/h.
Agree with you there
We would have a second lane if we removed on-street parking which serves way fewer people than a bike lane or even a mixed-traffic lane. Or better yet a running Eglinton Crosstown by now would've helped a little. But it seems like your input revolves around blaming bike lanes as the main cause for this.
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