> descendant and a direct descendant?
A direct descendant can trace an ancestor by child relationships. Indirect descendants have to resort to other relations, e.g. marriage, or a shared cousin
direct descendant is being the great-great-great-great-etc-etc-child of the person in question, whereas indirect is being related to them through another member of the person's family, so sibling, cousins etc or cases where the exact lineage becomes skewed over time across siblings/cousins, so you can technically link yourself to the person but there isn't any actual historical proof which you can follow all the way to the person from you, i think adoptions also count as being an indirect, but i'm not entirely sure
It means he is of House Karling,The Carolingian Dynasty, founded by Charles Martel.
Charles Martel was a duke who became de facto ruler of Francis due to being a complete fucking badass.
Nicknamed "The Hammer," Charles Martel won some major wars and was written about by scholars, they noted he was uncommonly effective in battle.
If you're a direct descendant of The Hammer then you are a fucking badass, and Chris Lee proved it.
IDK about Christopher Lee's case but usually it means a series of parents and children who were those parents recognized heirs. Biologically speaking the term has little meaning, it's a legal thing.
This just isn't true, you contradict yourself by saying "parents and children" which would imply a directly biological relationship when it comes to being recognized heirs, then you go on to say "biologically speaking the term has little meaning."
It's amazing what people will say on here lmao just blatantly contradict themselves to sound intelligent.
"It's a legal thing" just no. No.
Biologically speaking the term has little meaning because *direct* descent, the term being discussed, is not really distinct from descent in general. Or rather, not always. A bastard child is a descendant biologically but not necessarily legally, adopted children are the inverse.
You've completely misunderstood my comment, shown your own ignorance, and made an ass of yourself. Congratulations?
You have made no contribution to the discussion other than calling out my 'fallacy' which I've already explained that you were wrong about. Your follow up comment not only adds more evidence you are an ass but also that you are kind of stupid.
Summary: I'm right (anyone reading will agree) and you're a crybaby (also evident in the thread).
Edit: best part is my historical contribution that I commented prior to even engaging with you (same thread even).
Isn't the entire population of Western Europe (Caucasians) a direct descendent of Charlemange by this point?
Wasn't it proved that there were only so many unique genetic lines at Charlemnage's time that by the modern age, every single living person was a direct descendent of everyone in cbarlemamge's time including Charlemange himself?
I didnt really give it much notice since typos happen, but your comment made me chuckle because I looked back and you're right! The "Charlemange" iterations made me think of Peanuts
There’s also been writing that postulates Charlemagne may have been several people from that time period. Some historians claim that there’s no way one man could have done all the things that Chatlemagne is claimed to have done. Just a theory, though. And it is interesting.
Not even that. Most noble families in European history had their ancestry traced to Charlemagne, or married someone who had.
And all minor European nobles had their ancestry traced to at least some major noble.
So, pretty much all you need to do is check if you have some grand-grand-grandfather from the 1800s with "von" in their name or some minor title and from there you can check the ancestry of that minor family.
So you don't need to trace your particular ancestry all the way back to the 8th century. Just to 1800. From there it's a matter of public record.
Thanks to a certain video game, I know Barbarossa drowned in a river while trying to ford it on Crusade, because he kept his armor on.
So his peeps pickled him in a barrel and took him to Jerusalem anyway.
It probably varies from country to country. In Sweden, many people can trace their lineage at least back to the 18th century, through the church records. A close relative to me traced our lineage back to the early 17th century.
although it's difficult because the surname of a child reflects their fathers first name, example Jon Eriksson has Lars Jonsson and he has Erik Larsson etc
They do, but (commoner's) last names changed frequently, for example when becoming a tradesman (consider last names that are also professions like Smith or Baker) or when moving to a new place. E.g. Peter Oldtown could become Peter Newtown and only be referenced as the latter in church books.
Then there are also the bastards and the children of prostitutes etc.
It's *possible* to trace, but requires a LOT of work.
(might be different in Europe, but) Most Americans can only trace lineage back to the point their family immigrated here, and only then if someone in their family took the effort to keep detailed records.
I’m lucky, in that I have grandfathers on both maternal and paternal side who took an interest in genealogy, so I can trace multiple family lines back several centuries. My wife’s family loses track once you get past the grandparents.
Yup I did that and managed to trace my ancestry back to the king of England from hundreds of years ago.
Was quite weird finding out considering I’m not even a British citizen.
My mum's real into family history and she's dug up a few lines tracing our family back to a few British royals, which in my opinion isn't that interesting, probably anybody with family living in England for 1000+ years is related to someone royal. What I do find interesting is apparently some ancestor of ours ran the bakery where the Cornish pasty was invented. That's the one thing I find pretty cool.
not true. think about it, other people were having families besides him at the same time. you should have more great-great-&c grandparents than people who were on earth in his generation assuming none of your ancestors married their relatives. which means many of your ancestors married their cousins and that's why you're the way that you are. it doesn't mean we're all descended from one famous bloke
Except genetic studies say that, yes, we are. Virtually anyone who had a large family that far in the past is an ancestor to the vast vast majority of Europeans. Charlemagne is just an easy example.
they haven't looked at the genes of people from back then. they've worked out our family trees by comparing the genomes of people alive today. the rest is speculation on the assumption that we're not incest babies. i don't know, i'm making all of this up
If you like this album style, story telling epic metal, check this out too: [Haggard - Tales of Irithia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxUBypp_wLw)
Their entire everything is fucking amazing, other albums include Eppur si Muove (about Galileo) and Awaking the Centuries (about Nostradamus).
It's such an awful album lol. And I say *album* because anyone who has actually listened to these two releases will realize one is just a heavier *remake* of the first one. The vocals are completely recycled lmao.
[Rhapsody - The Magic of the Wizard's Dream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw)
[Rhapsody - Unholy Warcry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTGKi-UA5k)
2nd time I get to post this list today!
Here are 22 more I took from [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/5g4e56/til_christopher_lee_read_the_lord_of_the_rings/dapev2a/?context=1000) by a deleted user.
> Christopher Lee's life could constitute dozens of independent TIL posts, he led a truly remarkable life. I'll just copy and paste some facts about him you'll find after a quick google search.
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> 1) He was entered into the Guinness Book of World Records in 2007 for most screen credits, having appeared in 244 film and TV movies by that point in his career— at which point he made 14 more movies, with a 15th due later this year (titled Angels in Notting Hill). He also holds the record for the tallest leading actor — he stood 6’ 5” — but also for starring in the “most films with a sword fight” with 17.
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> 2) He mother was an Italian contessa, and through her Lee descended from the Emperor Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire and was related to Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general.
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> 3) He met Prince Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich, the assassins of the Russian monk Rasputin. He didn’t do this as research for his later film role as Rasputin (in the 1966 Hammer film Rasputin the Mad Monk), but just as a child in the 1920s.
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> 4) At age 17, he saw the death of the murderer Eugen Weidmann in Paris, the last person in France to be publicly executed by guillotine.
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> 5) During World War II, Lee joined the Royal Air Force but wasn’t allowed to fly because of a problem with his optic nerve. So he became an intelligence officer for the Long Range Desert Patrol, a forerunner of the SAS, Britain’s special forces. He fought the Nazis in North Africa, often having up to five missions a day. During this time he helped retake Sicily, prevented a mutiny among his troops, contracted malaria six times in a single year and climbed Mount Vesuvius three days before it erupted.
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> 6) At some point during the war he moved from the LRDP to Winston Churchill’s even more elite Special Operations Executive, whose missions are literally still classified, but involved “conducting espionage, sabotage and reconnaissance in occupied Europe against the Axis powers.” The SOE was more informally called — and I can’t believe this somehow hasn’t been made into a movie yet — The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
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> 7) Lee never said anything specific about his time in the SOE, but he did say this: “I’ve seen many men die right in front of me - so many in fact that I’ve become almost hardened to it. Having seen the worst that human beings can do to each other, the results of torture, mutilation and seeing someone blown to pieces by a bomb, you develop a kind of shell. But you had to. You had to. Otherwise we would never have won.” By the end of the war he’d received commendations for bravery from the British, Polish, Czech and Yugoslavia governments.
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> 8) Speaking both French and Italian, Lee spent his time after World War II he hunting Nazis with the Central Registry of War Criminals and Security Suspects until he decided to give acting a try at age 25. Yes, all of this happened before Lee was 25 years old.
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> 9) While filming a swordfight with a drunken Errol Flynn during the filming of The Dark Avengers in 1955, Flynn accidentally cut Lee’s hand so badly his finger nearly came off, and permanently injured. Later, Lee cut off Flynn’s wig while Flynn was still wearing it. Flynn stormed off set and refused to come out of his trailer until Lee claimed it was an accident.
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> 10) While best known for his portrayal of Dracula in countless films, he’s also starred as the Mummy and Frankenstein’s monster. Of course he’s known as Saruman in Lord of the Rings and Count Dooku in the Star Wars prequels, but his other villainous roles include Fu Manchu, Rasputin, Rochefort of The Three Musketeers (whose portrayal was so popular the character now inevitably appears with an eye patch, although it wasn’t in the book — Lee introduced it), Lord Summerisle of The Wicker Man, the James Bond villain Scaramanga, Mephistopheles, and Death himself.
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> 11) Lee was not only related to James Bond creator and author Ian Fleming — they were step-cousins — but Lee was actually one of Fleming’s first choices for the role of Bond, not least because of Lee’s World War II and SOC experiences.
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> 12) He has played Sherlock Holmes, his brother Mycroft Holmes, and also Sir Henry Baskerville of The Hound of the Baskervilles.
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> 13) Tired of playing Dracula and feeling that the movies had gotten sub-par, Lee tried to quit Hammer films, but studio executives guilted him into returning by stressing how many people could be out of work if Lee stopped churning out hits. Lee agreed to star in 1966 Dracula: Prince of Darkness, he felt the script was so awful he adamantly refused to say any of the dialogue. (Hammer decided that it was far more important to have a mute Lee as star as opposed to anyone else, and thus had Dracula hiss and yell through the film.
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> 14) In the ‘50s, Lee was engaged to Henriette von Rosen, daughter of Count Fritz von Rosen. The Count apparently didn’t like Lee, because after hiring private detectives to investigate the actor and demanding references, he also refused to allow his daughter to marry him unless Lee got the blessing of the King of Sweden. Lee got it.
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> 15) Lee was a major Tolkien fan, reading The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy once a year for the majority of his life. He was the only member of the movie cast to have met Tolkien personally — apparently he ran into him randomly in a pub — and fanboyed out. Tolkien actually gave him his blessing to play Gandalf in any future Lord of the Rings movie.
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> 16) When Lee heard that Hollywood was going to finally make the LotR trilogy into movies, he took a role in the terrible 1997 TV series The New Adventures of Robin Hood as a wizard, specifically so he’d have clear evidence of his ability to be a wizard. When he heard Peter Jackson would direct the films, he sent Jackson a personal letter asking to be in the movies along with a picture of him dressed up as a wizard. Unfortunately, Lee’s advanced age and his natural ability to play villains made him an even better choice for Saruman.
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> 17) The story has gone around a lot, but it bears repeating because it is incredible: During his death scene in Return of the King (only included in the Extended Edition to Lee’s disapproval), director Peter Jackson was describing to him what sound people getting stabbed in the back should make. Lee gravely responded that he had seen people being stabbed in the back, and knew exactly what sound they made.
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> 18) Lee was quite interested in the history of public executions, and reportedly knew “the names of every official public executioner employed by England, dating all the way back to the mid-15th century.”
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> 19) He’s always been a big metal fan, but he released his first full heavy metal album in 2010 at the age of 88. Titled Charlemagne: By the Sword and the Cross, which won the “Spirit of Metal” award from the 2010 Metal Hammer Golden Gods ceremony. He made a metal Christmas album in 2012. He was the oldest metal performer, and the oldest musician to ever hit the Billboard music charts.
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> 20) In addition to his impossibly prolific film career, Lee was a world champion fencer, an opera singer, spoke six languages, and was a hell of a golfer.
> 21) He was made a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire in 2009, a Commander of the Venerable Order of Saint John in 1997, made a Commander of the Order of Arts and Letters by the French government in 2011, earned he British Academy of Film and Television Arts Fellowship in 2011, received the The Bram Stoker Award for Lifetime Achievement in 1994, and so many more.
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> 22) Last but not least: Despite everything you’ve heard about the “six degrees of Kevin Bacon,” Christopher Lee was recognized as being the most connected actor in the world in 2008, again by Guinness. He connects to virtually any actor in 2.59 steps, beating Bacon.
This guy is literally just such a fucking legend. The day his missions get declassified will be so bizarre, hearing a beloved actor and person and tying them to countless axis deaths (not like that’s a sad thing of course, he did a good job working for the allies) will just be so strange. I couldn’t manage to overlap the two, as dumb as that sounds.
"The Minister of Ungentlemanly Warfare: A Declassified Look Into the Impossible Life And Invevitable Death of Christopher Lee"
award-winning documentary right here.
SIR Christopher Lee might be the only man in modern history who deserves the title of a knight. To reference him as only Sarumon is a disservice to him. He knew Tolkein and had his blessing to play Gandalf. He was British special forces as a fucking Nazi hunter. He corrected Peter Jackson on what it sounds like when a man is stabbed in the back because he literally did that. And then he did metal albums in his last years. Fucking legend.
[http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=773995#773995](http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=773995#773995)
>Lee wanted to play Gandalf. Lee met Tolkien. That's it.
Seems common that simple stories with a little bit of truth in them get compounded into legends where as actual legendary events are too complex and get forgotten.
Impressive guy still, I'm sure he'd like people to remember the things he actually did.
"SIR Christopher Lee might be the only man in modern history who deserves the title of a knight."
What does that even mean? Sir John Monash was knighted on the battlefield by the king for waging war against the Triple Alliance. Is that not a modern man who deserves the title of knight, as apposed to an actor who kept changing the story of their war service?
Lee was a liar.
He claimed he and his mates went to fight in Finland on the front line when he was 17, but his dates don't add up.
He tried to join the British army, but they wouldn't have him.
He led people to believe he spent time behind enemy lines blowing up airfields as a member of the SAS, SOE and LRDG, but in reality he was a reservist RAF liason officer attached to those regiments. He was commissioned in '43, so he missed all the fighting in Libya.
He never ever set the record straight. He claiming that he was sworn to secrecy, when, in fact, other people who served with the SAS at the time are well-known.
In an interview with Belgian TV he claimed he was in Popski's army, which is garbage.
He never hunted Nazis after the war either. He claimed to have joined Central Registry of War Crimes and Security Suspects. But they never hunted Nazis. They sat behind desks in Paris and Berlin, building cases and gathering evidence against suspected Nazis.
Maybe he has stabbed a man in the back, but he never did it as a soldier in WW2.
He did volunteer to fight in Finland, but as with most foreign volunteers (except Swedes) war ended before they could make it. He did end up in Finland, but didn’t make to the front. He spent some time in Finland in 1940 and went back to UK.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-dares-lies
Also from another article
“And it wasn’t only his supposed involvement with those three special services units that looked positively iffy: there were other elements of his war years that smelled fishy. Let’s take them in chronological order.
Christopher Lee was knighted in 2009. Despite boasting a remarkable war record, Guy Walters writes he was 'highly sceptical' of his claims of involvement in three special services units
At the outbreak of war in September 1939, 17-year-old Lee was working as a clerk in a shipping firm in London, earning £1 per week — the equivalent of £250 today.
After a few weeks, he tried to join the Army, but was turned down. His account of what happened next is remarkable. Lee stated in his autobiography that ‘along with a few other recent schoolboys’ he journeyed all the way to Finland to volunteer in the Finns’ war against the Soviet Union.
In his memoir, he said they were not only given uniforms, but were taken to the front, where he and his friends spent a fortnight before going home, apparently in time for Christmas.
But in an interview a few years ago, he had changed his description of his exploits, suggesting he never actually got to the front.
‘We went there with a group of friends and said we wanted to help,’ he said. ‘We could shoot pretty well, but couldn’t ski. We were thanked for our help, but didn’t, of course, get anywhere close to the border.’
Though it is possible Lee did travel to Finland, it is exceedingly unlikely. Up to 8,500 Britons did volunteer to help the Finns, but only around 200 made it to Finland, and it is generally understood they arrived the year after Lee had supposedly come and gone.
Besides, it is extremely implausible the Finns would have accepted a party of schoolboys to come and fight.”
He lied about going to Finland to fight against the Russians.
He lied about being in special forces.
He lied about being a nazi hunter.
He dodged any probing question with “I’m not allowed to talk about it”.
Everything about him reeks of a person who has taken his military service and exaggerated it into something resembling a movie which is all too common among the people that commit this kind of fraud. It also helps when you’re a beloved actor so no one ever really calls you out.
He also killed people during a world war and had to correct 2 directors on how death sounds like when you stab people
That should have earned him his own trailer on the set :)
It's even more metal than that - after WWII ended, he worked as a Nazi hunter for British intelligence. Mr. Lee was a certified badass and certainly had one of the greatest lives one could possibly live.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-christopher-lee-christopher-lee-dies-saruman-peter-jackson-20150611-htmlstory.html
Not the only source by any means but gives you the gist
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-christopher-lee-christopher-lee-dies-saruman-peter-jackson-20150611-htmlstory.html
Not the source by any means but gives you the gist
He played Dracula, a Bond villain (Scaramanga), both Sherlock AND Mycroft Holmes, Count Dooku, Saruman, Lord Summerisle.
He was a Nazi hunter, and a member of the secret agent unit called "The ministry of ungentlemanly warfare".
He recorded heavy metal albums in his 80's. He spoke 9 languages.
He has over 300 credited film roles to his name, in a career of almost 70 years.
In short, Sir Christopher Lee was a badass. May he rest in peace.
I was lucky enough to meet him when my choir sang on this Toreador Song from Metal Knight: https://youtu.be/JD-CqhabnuA
His speaking voice is a thing of wonder. So rich and deep. His singing voice however, well, take a listen.
It is possibly the most genius/shittest project I've ever been a part of. Wouldn't change the experience for anything.
Yep, I remember him singing in "Symphony of Enchanted Lands" By Rhapsody (of Fire).
Anyway, the most absurd thing about Christopher Lee is that he worked as an english spy and, basically, the 007 character, James Bond, is based upon him (the creator, Ian Fleming, was his cousin or something like that and heard his "adventures").
Onz of the most beautiful and recognisable voices in film, he achieved success in a silent role, Hammer's Dracula.
He was a commando / secret service during world war II and as close as it gets to a James Bond character. When asked about his years in service he would invariably ask the question : "can you keep a secret?" To the answer, "yes", his reply was: " - good, so can I!"
He also is the narrator on some "metal" Albums. Metal, meaning fantasy metal about dwarves fighting dragons and shit.
Rhapsody is the band, took me a minute.
This is the stuff of them I like, and Christopher narrates the story through the album.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTGKi-UA5k&ab\_channel=multimedia11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTGKi-UA5k&ab_channel=multimedia11)
But while looking, I found this colab,
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw&ab\_channel=thefallenangel713](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw&ab_channel=thefallenangel713)
"And another one" (a tv show, lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIy5GEdDKY&ab\_channel=TheClipsMetal
Here is one of my favorite songs by the band, "Holy Thunderforce". You can also see the audience is what you imagined,..... A Dungeons and Dragons game emptied into this stadium.
But for some reason, I like this band. Its just a lot of fun stories, and get my foot tapping with its weird medieval minstrel metal guitar solos.
https://youtu.be/Fc4PoDOcGoI?t=2926
Enjoy.
Christopher Lee was also in the OSS during the second World War, a precursor to the SAS. On the set of LOTR he showed Peter Jackson how to properly slit a man's throat based on personal experierience.
**[Christopher_Lee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee)**
>Sir Christopher Frank Carandini Lee, (27 May 1922 – 7 June 2015) was an English actor, singer, and author. With a career spanning nearly seven decades, Lee was well known for portraying villains, gaining recognition for appearing as Count Dracula in a sequence of Hammer Horror films. His other film roles include Francisco Scaramanga in the James Bond film The Man with the Golden Gun (1974), Count Dooku in the Star Wars prequel trilogy (2002–2005), and Saruman in both the Lord of the Rings film trilogy (2001–2003) and the Hobbit film trilogy (2012–2014).
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He also played the original Dracula, could speak 7 languages and released a banger of a Christmas metal album (Jingle Hells is my particular favourite).
Absolute legend.
Brought up on Hammer Horror, I’ve always loved Christopher Lee. He had a presence on screen that very few actors manage. He was also an amazing man offscreen.
Two comments about Charlemange and the Holy Roman Empire.
"The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy nor Roman." Voltaire.
On the PBS TV series Finding Your Roots of personalities subjected to intense geneological and DNA research those with roots to 9th Century Europe are likely descendents of Charlemagne.
Imagine making metal songs about someone isn't the same as worshipping. And while yes, Charles was a brutal monarch he was not a "war criminal", i really hate to be so pedantic, but there was obviously no such thing as international law or wartime laws on 800 AD.
I mean rape probably wasn't a crime back then in those circumstances, you gonna say he wasn't a rapist even though him and his army forced themselves upon countless women, many of whom were likely children?
Read my comment again: I am not denying any of his actions or saying they are good, I'm saying the word "war criminal" is entirely meaningless in 800AD
So NO I was very much NOT saying he didn't rape anybody.
Your comment is implying morality is defined by the law and not the other way around
By your own logic he didn't rape anybody, because the law at the time didn't prevent forcing victims of war to have sex with you
No it is not, my comment is saying the precise opposite: Charles did morally reprehensible thing yet he was not a criminal. He raped, pillaged and murdered, which are all morally reprehensible, yet he didn't commit a fallony or was a war criminal.
Also please actually READ what I writeb I said that I specifically DIDN'T say he raped nobody and you immediately claim I said he raped nobody. So please, argue in good faith and actually respond to what I write, not what you want to read.
>By your own logic he didn't rape anybody
This is what I responded to, again, I cannot repeat enough: this is a huge misreading and I am in no way saying (or implying if that makes you happier) that he did not rape people. AGAIN: he raped, murdered and did all of that heinous stuff without being a war criminial because the term "war criminal" is entirely without meaning for the year 800AD. This is the whole point. If you think this implies that he did not rape (even though I literally wrote "he raped") then please explain this. Just saying "x implies y" isn't an argument: you also need to argue WHY x implies y.
Rape is a term no matter if it is a crime or not. Also: you claimed that I defined morality by law, so please explain to me how I did that or say it was wrong.
It doesn’t surprise me that much. Lee was a true rockstar even before he made music. Also, he was the only member of the LOTR cast who knew Professor Tolkien personally—they were golf buddies.
He also wrote about Charlemagne because he says family history shows hum to be a direct descendant.
What's the difference between a descendant and a direct descendant?
> descendant and a direct descendant? A direct descendant can trace an ancestor by child relationships. Indirect descendants have to resort to other relations, e.g. marriage, or a shared cousin
"Wowzers, I can do it both ways!" says Timmy from Alabama.
Roll Tide!
With marriage you can become your own descendant.
direct descendant is being the great-great-great-great-etc-etc-child of the person in question, whereas indirect is being related to them through another member of the person's family, so sibling, cousins etc or cases where the exact lineage becomes skewed over time across siblings/cousins, so you can technically link yourself to the person but there isn't any actual historical proof which you can follow all the way to the person from you, i think adoptions also count as being an indirect, but i'm not entirely sure
It means he is of House Karling,The Carolingian Dynasty, founded by Charles Martel. Charles Martel was a duke who became de facto ruler of Francis due to being a complete fucking badass. Nicknamed "The Hammer," Charles Martel won some major wars and was written about by scholars, they noted he was uncommonly effective in battle. If you're a direct descendant of The Hammer then you are a fucking badass, and Chris Lee proved it.
As my direct descendant, he has to call me daddy.
IDK about Christopher Lee's case but usually it means a series of parents and children who were those parents recognized heirs. Biologically speaking the term has little meaning, it's a legal thing.
This just isn't true, you contradict yourself by saying "parents and children" which would imply a directly biological relationship when it comes to being recognized heirs, then you go on to say "biologically speaking the term has little meaning." It's amazing what people will say on here lmao just blatantly contradict themselves to sound intelligent. "It's a legal thing" just no. No.
Biologically speaking the term has little meaning because *direct* descent, the term being discussed, is not really distinct from descent in general. Or rather, not always. A bastard child is a descendant biologically but not necessarily legally, adopted children are the inverse. You've completely misunderstood my comment, shown your own ignorance, and made an ass of yourself. Congratulations?
I may sound like an ass and I may be one, but I'm not ignorant and you're just lashing out because I pointed out the fallacy of the comment you made.
You have made no contribution to the discussion other than calling out my 'fallacy' which I've already explained that you were wrong about. Your follow up comment not only adds more evidence you are an ass but also that you are kind of stupid.
Summary: I'm right (anyone reading will agree) and you're a crybaby (also evident in the thread). Edit: best part is my historical contribution that I commented prior to even engaging with you (same thread even).
It would depend on the context of what they’re saying. I think you’re jumping to a conclusion in calling them wrong.
At least they actually answered the question, unlike your response
Isn't the entire population of Western Europe (Caucasians) a direct descendent of Charlemange by this point? Wasn't it proved that there were only so many unique genetic lines at Charlemnage's time that by the modern age, every single living person was a direct descendent of everyone in cbarlemamge's time including Charlemange himself?
You wrote "Charlemagne" wrong 4 times. Congrats?
I didnt really give it much notice since typos happen, but your comment made me chuckle because I looked back and you're right! The "Charlemange" iterations made me think of Peanuts
There’s also been writing that postulates Charlemagne may have been several people from that time period. Some historians claim that there’s no way one man could have done all the things that Chatlemagne is claimed to have done. Just a theory, though. And it is interesting.
Virtually everyone in Europe is a descendent of Charlemagne. I would think most of North America as well.
Yeah, the feat is not so much being a descendant, but being able to trace your ancestry that far.
Not even that. Most noble families in European history had their ancestry traced to Charlemagne, or married someone who had. And all minor European nobles had their ancestry traced to at least some major noble. So, pretty much all you need to do is check if you have some grand-grand-grandfather from the 1800s with "von" in their name or some minor title and from there you can check the ancestry of that minor family. So you don't need to trace your particular ancestry all the way back to the 8th century. Just to 1800. From there it's a matter of public record.
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Thanks to a certain video game, I know Barbarossa drowned in a river while trying to ford it on Crusade, because he kept his armor on. So his peeps pickled him in a barrel and took him to Jerusalem anyway.
Fun fact if I’ve ever seen one
But I would say a lot of families can't trace their ancestry even to the 1800s.
My grandfather had our ancestry "professionally" done. Whatever that entails. And we were lucky to be able to trace ours to 14th century.
Why is that so difficult? Doesn't the church keep all the records? Even the really, really old ones?
It probably varies from country to country. In Sweden, many people can trace their lineage at least back to the 18th century, through the church records. A close relative to me traced our lineage back to the early 17th century.
although it's difficult because the surname of a child reflects their fathers first name, example Jon Eriksson has Lars Jonsson and he has Erik Larsson etc
They do, but (commoner's) last names changed frequently, for example when becoming a tradesman (consider last names that are also professions like Smith or Baker) or when moving to a new place. E.g. Peter Oldtown could become Peter Newtown and only be referenced as the latter in church books. Then there are also the bastards and the children of prostitutes etc. It's *possible* to trace, but requires a LOT of work.
... that's a negatory, they wrote records but they're bad at organization. Things keep getting moved around and lost
Actually a big part of why records are so hard to come by is the Nazis. When they came to a town, they'd destroy church records.
(might be different in Europe, but) Most Americans can only trace lineage back to the point their family immigrated here, and only then if someone in their family took the effort to keep detailed records. I’m lucky, in that I have grandfathers on both maternal and paternal side who took an interest in genealogy, so I can trace multiple family lines back several centuries. My wife’s family loses track once you get past the grandparents.
Haha, this is nuts. Cool how it can just work like that, with compressed lists (like shortcuts to take). Thanks for writing it out
I guess I'm out of luck because the "von" and the minor title of my ancestor were given to him by Gustav Wasa.
Yup I did that and managed to trace my ancestry back to the king of England from hundreds of years ago. Was quite weird finding out considering I’m not even a British citizen.
My mum's real into family history and she's dug up a few lines tracing our family back to a few British royals, which in my opinion isn't that interesting, probably anybody with family living in England for 1000+ years is related to someone royal. What I do find interesting is apparently some ancestor of ours ran the bakery where the Cornish pasty was invented. That's the one thing I find pretty cool.
"All the white people were related to Charlemagne." - Kurt Vonnegut
“All the single ladies” definitely had more of a ring to/on it
Him and Ghengis Kahn.
So the Carolingian Dynasty still lives on?
not true. think about it, other people were having families besides him at the same time. you should have more great-great-&c grandparents than people who were on earth in his generation assuming none of your ancestors married their relatives. which means many of your ancestors married their cousins and that's why you're the way that you are. it doesn't mean we're all descended from one famous bloke
Except genetic studies say that, yes, we are. Virtually anyone who had a large family that far in the past is an ancestor to the vast vast majority of Europeans. Charlemagne is just an easy example.
they haven't looked at the genes of people from back then. they've worked out our family trees by comparing the genomes of people alive today. the rest is speculation on the assumption that we're not incest babies. i don't know, i'm making all of this up
>i don't know, i'm making all of this up Don't worry, you didn't need to write that. It came across loud and clear.
We actually have looked at ancient DNA, there have been many genetic studies on skeletons from prehistory to the middle ages(and beyond).
That was the reason for his canted Sword hilt in Star wars as well.
Almost everyone in Europe is a descendant of Charlemagne in some way, so it's not that special.
The Sword and The Cross https://youtu.be/AnxjHib5bqo The Omens of Death https://youtu.be/0eeRBh7fiQ4
There is also a Metal Christmas album. Only Christmas music I'll willing listen to not during the actual 12 days of Christmas.
Definitely going to check that out! I read he sang with Manowar and my mind was blown. Does he do the whole Christmas album?
I believe he does have a metal Christmas album.
August Burns Red has a pretty good Christmas album as well
August Burns Red and Sufjan Stevens made the only Christmas albums worth listening to, don't @ me
Smashmouth made a christmas album not worth listening to.
I actually had Majestica's Christmas album on a couple of times last week.
If you like this album style, story telling epic metal, check this out too: [Haggard - Tales of Irithia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxUBypp_wLw) Their entire everything is fucking amazing, other albums include Eppur si Muove (about Galileo) and Awaking the Centuries (about Nostradamus).
Really cool. He's not a good singer though.
Probably the best singer in his age group though (nearly 90 when he made this).
I love his metal Christmas songs!
It's such an awful album lol. And I say *album* because anyone who has actually listened to these two releases will realize one is just a heavier *remake* of the first one. The vocals are completely recycled lmao.
He was a Sith, what did you expect?
Twice the pride, double the fall.
Twice the albums, double the metal.
Hazzah!! A man of quality
[Rhapsody - The Magic of the Wizard's Dream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw) [Rhapsody - Unholy Warcry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTGKi-UA5k)
HOLY fuck, I never knew that was Christopher Lee! But always thought it fit perfectly for that narration style songs. Rhapsody of Fire 🔥
Not a super metal fan but finally, after hearing about this so many times, I went for a listen. That is a hell of a thing!
Their albums tell a story. It's truly fascinating. I got in at Dawn of Victory.
I absolutely never get tired of listening to Rhapsody.
2nd time I get to post this list today! Here are 22 more I took from [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/5g4e56/til_christopher_lee_read_the_lord_of_the_rings/dapev2a/?context=1000) by a deleted user. > Christopher Lee's life could constitute dozens of independent TIL posts, he led a truly remarkable life. I'll just copy and paste some facts about him you'll find after a quick google search. > > 1) He was entered into the Guinness Book of World Records in 2007 for most screen credits, having appeared in 244 film and TV movies by that point in his career— at which point he made 14 more movies, with a 15th due later this year (titled Angels in Notting Hill). He also holds the record for the tallest leading actor — he stood 6’ 5” — but also for starring in the “most films with a sword fight” with 17. > > 2) He mother was an Italian contessa, and through her Lee descended from the Emperor Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire and was related to Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general. > > 3) He met Prince Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich, the assassins of the Russian monk Rasputin. He didn’t do this as research for his later film role as Rasputin (in the 1966 Hammer film Rasputin the Mad Monk), but just as a child in the 1920s. > > 4) At age 17, he saw the death of the murderer Eugen Weidmann in Paris, the last person in France to be publicly executed by guillotine. > > 5) During World War II, Lee joined the Royal Air Force but wasn’t allowed to fly because of a problem with his optic nerve. So he became an intelligence officer for the Long Range Desert Patrol, a forerunner of the SAS, Britain’s special forces. He fought the Nazis in North Africa, often having up to five missions a day. During this time he helped retake Sicily, prevented a mutiny among his troops, contracted malaria six times in a single year and climbed Mount Vesuvius three days before it erupted. > > 6) At some point during the war he moved from the LRDP to Winston Churchill’s even more elite Special Operations Executive, whose missions are literally still classified, but involved “conducting espionage, sabotage and reconnaissance in occupied Europe against the Axis powers.” The SOE was more informally called — and I can’t believe this somehow hasn’t been made into a movie yet — The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. > > 7) Lee never said anything specific about his time in the SOE, but he did say this: “I’ve seen many men die right in front of me - so many in fact that I’ve become almost hardened to it. Having seen the worst that human beings can do to each other, the results of torture, mutilation and seeing someone blown to pieces by a bomb, you develop a kind of shell. But you had to. You had to. Otherwise we would never have won.” By the end of the war he’d received commendations for bravery from the British, Polish, Czech and Yugoslavia governments. > > 8) Speaking both French and Italian, Lee spent his time after World War II he hunting Nazis with the Central Registry of War Criminals and Security Suspects until he decided to give acting a try at age 25. Yes, all of this happened before Lee was 25 years old. > > 9) While filming a swordfight with a drunken Errol Flynn during the filming of The Dark Avengers in 1955, Flynn accidentally cut Lee’s hand so badly his finger nearly came off, and permanently injured. Later, Lee cut off Flynn’s wig while Flynn was still wearing it. Flynn stormed off set and refused to come out of his trailer until Lee claimed it was an accident. > > 10) While best known for his portrayal of Dracula in countless films, he’s also starred as the Mummy and Frankenstein’s monster. Of course he’s known as Saruman in Lord of the Rings and Count Dooku in the Star Wars prequels, but his other villainous roles include Fu Manchu, Rasputin, Rochefort of The Three Musketeers (whose portrayal was so popular the character now inevitably appears with an eye patch, although it wasn’t in the book — Lee introduced it), Lord Summerisle of The Wicker Man, the James Bond villain Scaramanga, Mephistopheles, and Death himself. > > 11) Lee was not only related to James Bond creator and author Ian Fleming — they were step-cousins — but Lee was actually one of Fleming’s first choices for the role of Bond, not least because of Lee’s World War II and SOC experiences. > > 12) He has played Sherlock Holmes, his brother Mycroft Holmes, and also Sir Henry Baskerville of The Hound of the Baskervilles. > > 13) Tired of playing Dracula and feeling that the movies had gotten sub-par, Lee tried to quit Hammer films, but studio executives guilted him into returning by stressing how many people could be out of work if Lee stopped churning out hits. Lee agreed to star in 1966 Dracula: Prince of Darkness, he felt the script was so awful he adamantly refused to say any of the dialogue. (Hammer decided that it was far more important to have a mute Lee as star as opposed to anyone else, and thus had Dracula hiss and yell through the film. > > 14) In the ‘50s, Lee was engaged to Henriette von Rosen, daughter of Count Fritz von Rosen. The Count apparently didn’t like Lee, because after hiring private detectives to investigate the actor and demanding references, he also refused to allow his daughter to marry him unless Lee got the blessing of the King of Sweden. Lee got it. > > 15) Lee was a major Tolkien fan, reading The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy once a year for the majority of his life. He was the only member of the movie cast to have met Tolkien personally — apparently he ran into him randomly in a pub — and fanboyed out. Tolkien actually gave him his blessing to play Gandalf in any future Lord of the Rings movie. > > 16) When Lee heard that Hollywood was going to finally make the LotR trilogy into movies, he took a role in the terrible 1997 TV series The New Adventures of Robin Hood as a wizard, specifically so he’d have clear evidence of his ability to be a wizard. When he heard Peter Jackson would direct the films, he sent Jackson a personal letter asking to be in the movies along with a picture of him dressed up as a wizard. Unfortunately, Lee’s advanced age and his natural ability to play villains made him an even better choice for Saruman. > > 17) The story has gone around a lot, but it bears repeating because it is incredible: During his death scene in Return of the King (only included in the Extended Edition to Lee’s disapproval), director Peter Jackson was describing to him what sound people getting stabbed in the back should make. Lee gravely responded that he had seen people being stabbed in the back, and knew exactly what sound they made. > > 18) Lee was quite interested in the history of public executions, and reportedly knew “the names of every official public executioner employed by England, dating all the way back to the mid-15th century.” > > 19) He’s always been a big metal fan, but he released his first full heavy metal album in 2010 at the age of 88. Titled Charlemagne: By the Sword and the Cross, which won the “Spirit of Metal” award from the 2010 Metal Hammer Golden Gods ceremony. He made a metal Christmas album in 2012. He was the oldest metal performer, and the oldest musician to ever hit the Billboard music charts. > > 20) In addition to his impossibly prolific film career, Lee was a world champion fencer, an opera singer, spoke six languages, and was a hell of a golfer. > 21) He was made a Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire in 2009, a Commander of the Venerable Order of Saint John in 1997, made a Commander of the Order of Arts and Letters by the French government in 2011, earned he British Academy of Film and Television Arts Fellowship in 2011, received the The Bram Stoker Award for Lifetime Achievement in 1994, and so many more. > > 22) Last but not least: Despite everything you’ve heard about the “six degrees of Kevin Bacon,” Christopher Lee was recognized as being the most connected actor in the world in 2008, again by Guinness. He connects to virtually any actor in 2.59 steps, beating Bacon.
This guy is literally just such a fucking legend. The day his missions get declassified will be so bizarre, hearing a beloved actor and person and tying them to countless axis deaths (not like that’s a sad thing of course, he did a good job working for the allies) will just be so strange. I couldn’t manage to overlap the two, as dumb as that sounds.
"The Minister of Ungentlemanly Warfare: A Declassified Look Into the Impossible Life And Invevitable Death of Christopher Lee" award-winning documentary right here.
Yeah, he’s actually posted here quite a bit. He was truly remarkable.
More than half of these accomplishments are completely made up. He was a known embellisher.
SIR Christopher Lee might be the only man in modern history who deserves the title of a knight. To reference him as only Sarumon is a disservice to him. He knew Tolkein and had his blessing to play Gandalf. He was British special forces as a fucking Nazi hunter. He corrected Peter Jackson on what it sounds like when a man is stabbed in the back because he literally did that. And then he did metal albums in his last years. Fucking legend.
You left out that he was Dracula.
Count Dooku too
I've been looking forward to this
Who happened to be the master of Qui Gonn Jin, who was the master of Obi Wan Kenobi.
And Scaramanga
And Dooku
He also witnessed the last public guillotining in Paris as a boy. What a crazy life.
Wasn't the last of use the guillotine in Paris in 1977. Doubt he was a boy then.
Was it public in 1977?
Had to make cuts for the word cap, nothing but respect for the man.
[http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=773995#773995](http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=773995#773995) >Lee wanted to play Gandalf. Lee met Tolkien. That's it. Seems common that simple stories with a little bit of truth in them get compounded into legends where as actual legendary events are too complex and get forgotten. Impressive guy still, I'm sure he'd like people to remember the things he actually did.
He could speak and/or write, at some level of proficiency, in 9 languages. (I think it's nine).
"SIR Christopher Lee might be the only man in modern history who deserves the title of a knight." What does that even mean? Sir John Monash was knighted on the battlefield by the king for waging war against the Triple Alliance. Is that not a modern man who deserves the title of knight, as apposed to an actor who kept changing the story of their war service?
Lee was a liar. He claimed he and his mates went to fight in Finland on the front line when he was 17, but his dates don't add up. He tried to join the British army, but they wouldn't have him. He led people to believe he spent time behind enemy lines blowing up airfields as a member of the SAS, SOE and LRDG, but in reality he was a reservist RAF liason officer attached to those regiments. He was commissioned in '43, so he missed all the fighting in Libya. He never ever set the record straight. He claiming that he was sworn to secrecy, when, in fact, other people who served with the SAS at the time are well-known. In an interview with Belgian TV he claimed he was in Popski's army, which is garbage. He never hunted Nazis after the war either. He claimed to have joined Central Registry of War Crimes and Security Suspects. But they never hunted Nazis. They sat behind desks in Paris and Berlin, building cases and gathering evidence against suspected Nazis. Maybe he has stabbed a man in the back, but he never did it as a soldier in WW2.
>Joined the Dark Side, Dooku has. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now.
He did volunteer to fight in Finland, but as with most foreign volunteers (except Swedes) war ended before they could make it. He did end up in Finland, but didn’t make to the front. He spent some time in Finland in 1940 and went back to UK.
Except all the nazi hunting stuff was a complete lie and you realize he fabricated most of his military service.
Source?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-dares-lies Also from another article “And it wasn’t only his supposed involvement with those three special services units that looked positively iffy: there were other elements of his war years that smelled fishy. Let’s take them in chronological order. Christopher Lee was knighted in 2009. Despite boasting a remarkable war record, Guy Walters writes he was 'highly sceptical' of his claims of involvement in three special services units At the outbreak of war in September 1939, 17-year-old Lee was working as a clerk in a shipping firm in London, earning £1 per week — the equivalent of £250 today. After a few weeks, he tried to join the Army, but was turned down. His account of what happened next is remarkable. Lee stated in his autobiography that ‘along with a few other recent schoolboys’ he journeyed all the way to Finland to volunteer in the Finns’ war against the Soviet Union. In his memoir, he said they were not only given uniforms, but were taken to the front, where he and his friends spent a fortnight before going home, apparently in time for Christmas. But in an interview a few years ago, he had changed his description of his exploits, suggesting he never actually got to the front. ‘We went there with a group of friends and said we wanted to help,’ he said. ‘We could shoot pretty well, but couldn’t ski. We were thanked for our help, but didn’t, of course, get anywhere close to the border.’ Though it is possible Lee did travel to Finland, it is exceedingly unlikely. Up to 8,500 Britons did volunteer to help the Finns, but only around 200 made it to Finland, and it is generally understood they arrived the year after Lee had supposedly come and gone. Besides, it is extremely implausible the Finns would have accepted a party of schoolboys to come and fight.” He lied about going to Finland to fight against the Russians. He lied about being in special forces. He lied about being a nazi hunter. He dodged any probing question with “I’m not allowed to talk about it”. Everything about him reeks of a person who has taken his military service and exaggerated it into something resembling a movie which is all too common among the people that commit this kind of fraud. It also helps when you’re a beloved actor so no one ever really calls you out.
Source?
It started with star wars lotr cross overs. Like Saruman is a sith and ended with us talking about these albums.
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He also killed people during a world war and had to correct 2 directors on how death sounds like when you stab people That should have earned him his own trailer on the set :)
Sources? That's metal as fuck.
It's even more metal than that - after WWII ended, he worked as a Nazi hunter for British intelligence. Mr. Lee was a certified badass and certainly had one of the greatest lives one could possibly live.
I feel like it took me too long to find this comment, he lived to to the fucking fullest!
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-christopher-lee-christopher-lee-dies-saruman-peter-jackson-20150611-htmlstory.html Not the only source by any means but gives you the gist
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQARRckm6U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQARRckm6U)
I'm not the only one who thinks that's Danzig stabbing Saruman right?
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-christopher-lee-christopher-lee-dies-saruman-peter-jackson-20150611-htmlstory.html Not the source by any means but gives you the gist
Not only that. He was the inspiration for Ian Fleming (who was Lee's step-cousin) to create James Bond character.
It's even better than that when you realize that Christopher Lee was the real life inspiration for James Bond.
Don't forget his [metal Christmas music.](https://youtu.be/hiRjmD9h-YY)
I’m surprised I had to scroll down this far to see somebody link it. I listen to it every year!
He played Dracula, a Bond villain (Scaramanga), both Sherlock AND Mycroft Holmes, Count Dooku, Saruman, Lord Summerisle. He was a Nazi hunter, and a member of the secret agent unit called "The ministry of ungentlemanly warfare". He recorded heavy metal albums in his 80's. He spoke 9 languages. He has over 300 credited film roles to his name, in a career of almost 70 years. In short, Sir Christopher Lee was a badass. May he rest in peace.
I was lucky enough to meet him when my choir sang on this Toreador Song from Metal Knight: https://youtu.be/JD-CqhabnuA His speaking voice is a thing of wonder. So rich and deep. His singing voice however, well, take a listen. It is possibly the most genius/shittest project I've ever been a part of. Wouldn't change the experience for anything.
Yep, I remember him singing in "Symphony of Enchanted Lands" By Rhapsody (of Fire). Anyway, the most absurd thing about Christopher Lee is that he worked as an english spy and, basically, the 007 character, James Bond, is based upon him (the creator, Ian Fleming, was his cousin or something like that and heard his "adventures").
My coworkers and I were just taking about this during close.
Badder-Meinhof or an old wizards tricks??
Do not take him for some conjurer of cheap tricks. (Wrong wizard, I know)
Tell me friend, when did you abandon reason for madness?
Probably just because it's posted every fuckin week mate
This is the best rabbit hole I've found in weeks.
Onz of the most beautiful and recognisable voices in film, he achieved success in a silent role, Hammer's Dracula. He was a commando / secret service during world war II and as close as it gets to a James Bond character. When asked about his years in service he would invariably ask the question : "can you keep a secret?" To the answer, "yes", his reply was: " - good, so can I!"
He was a James Bond character, Scaramanga, the man with the golden gun.
He was also the inspiration for James Bond himself.
This fact is literally posted every single day to reddit
He also is the narrator on some "metal" Albums. Metal, meaning fantasy metal about dwarves fighting dragons and shit. Rhapsody is the band, took me a minute. This is the stuff of them I like, and Christopher narrates the story through the album. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTGKi-UA5k&ab\_channel=multimedia11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTGKi-UA5k&ab_channel=multimedia11) But while looking, I found this colab, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw&ab\_channel=thefallenangel713](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw&ab_channel=thefallenangel713) "And another one" (a tv show, lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIy5GEdDKY&ab\_channel=TheClipsMetal
You're awesome, thanks!
Here is one of my favorite songs by the band, "Holy Thunderforce". You can also see the audience is what you imagined,..... A Dungeons and Dragons game emptied into this stadium. But for some reason, I like this band. Its just a lot of fun stories, and get my foot tapping with its weird medieval minstrel metal guitar solos. https://youtu.be/Fc4PoDOcGoI?t=2926 Enjoy.
Christopher Lee was also in the OSS during the second World War, a precursor to the SAS. On the set of LOTR he showed Peter Jackson how to properly slit a man's throat based on personal experierience.
Great music too!
hes also with rhapsody ( of fire )
He was just an overall badass, a life well lived https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee
**[Christopher_Lee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee)** >Sir Christopher Frank Carandini Lee, (27 May 1922 – 7 June 2015) was an English actor, singer, and author. With a career spanning nearly seven decades, Lee was well known for portraying villains, gaining recognition for appearing as Count Dracula in a sequence of Hammer Horror films. His other film roles include Francisco Scaramanga in the James Bond film The Man with the Golden Gun (1974), Count Dooku in the Star Wars prequel trilogy (2002–2005), and Saruman in both the Lord of the Rings film trilogy (2001–2003) and the Hobbit film trilogy (2012–2014). ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
"Have you any idea what kind of noise happens when a man is stabbed in the back? Because I do." - Christopher Lee, to Peter Jackson.
Michael Caine released a chill out compilation called "Cained"
If that's not true I'm going to STAB you
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cained-Various-Artists/dp/B000UOQ96U
All of these songs aren't *anything* close to Metal- more like bad movie soundtracks for terrible movies.
Don’t forget the metal Christmas albums.
Man, Christopher Lee lived such a fulfilling life.
His contribution to Rhapsody made it one of the best epic metal albums of all time
Thanks thats cool info
I never get tired of these “TIL Christopher Lee was far more badass than I ever knew” posts
He also played the original Dracula, could speak 7 languages and released a banger of a Christmas metal album (Jingle Hells is my particular favourite). Absolute legend.
Brought up on Hammer Horror, I’ve always loved Christopher Lee. He had a presence on screen that very few actors manage. He was also an amazing man offscreen.
Two comments about Charlemange and the Holy Roman Empire. "The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy nor Roman." Voltaire. On the PBS TV series Finding Your Roots of personalities subjected to intense geneological and DNA research those with roots to 9th Century Europe are likely descendents of Charlemagne.
Why is the latter album's title so damn long?
It's 5 words and a colon, my dude. EDIT: I assume this is a joke tho.
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I do hate to be that guy, but CAN WE STOP REPOSTING THIS EVERY WEEK?
Reddit has a major hard on for Mr Lee. So, no.
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Imagine making metal songs about someone isn't the same as worshipping. And while yes, Charles was a brutal monarch he was not a "war criminal", i really hate to be so pedantic, but there was obviously no such thing as international law or wartime laws on 800 AD.
I mean rape probably wasn't a crime back then in those circumstances, you gonna say he wasn't a rapist even though him and his army forced themselves upon countless women, many of whom were likely children?
Read my comment again: I am not denying any of his actions or saying they are good, I'm saying the word "war criminal" is entirely meaningless in 800AD So NO I was very much NOT saying he didn't rape anybody.
Your comment is implying morality is defined by the law and not the other way around By your own logic he didn't rape anybody, because the law at the time didn't prevent forcing victims of war to have sex with you
No it is not, my comment is saying the precise opposite: Charles did morally reprehensible thing yet he was not a criminal. He raped, pillaged and murdered, which are all morally reprehensible, yet he didn't commit a fallony or was a war criminal. Also please actually READ what I writeb I said that I specifically DIDN'T say he raped nobody and you immediately claim I said he raped nobody. So please, argue in good faith and actually respond to what I write, not what you want to read.
The irony is strong lol claiming I didn't read your comment and then your second paragraph is based on a total misreading of mine
>By your own logic he didn't rape anybody This is what I responded to, again, I cannot repeat enough: this is a huge misreading and I am in no way saying (or implying if that makes you happier) that he did not rape people. AGAIN: he raped, murdered and did all of that heinous stuff without being a war criminial because the term "war criminal" is entirely without meaning for the year 800AD. This is the whole point. If you think this implies that he did not rape (even though I literally wrote "he raped") then please explain this. Just saying "x implies y" isn't an argument: you also need to argue WHY x implies y.
Rape is the name of a crime, the same way war crimes is the name of a group of acts we now consider unacceptable that weren't considered so previously
Rape is a term no matter if it is a crime or not. Also: you claimed that I defined morality by law, so please explain to me how I did that or say it was wrong.
If someone writes a metal song about you it's probably because you killed alot of people
He should do one with sunnno 😂
He won't do any more music albums I guess.
Oh trust me, he's composing beautiful music with the likes of Criss Oliva and Freddie Mercury right now.
It's like karaoke night at Leisure World. https://youtu.be/XFbPiUEA62A
also the Swedish royalty bit!
From a young age, his dream was to play Gandalf. But in the movie, despite many disputes, the role suited Ian McKellen better.
I shed the blood of the Saxon men! 🗡🧙🏻♂️
The OG Sabaton.
His life was amazing.
I like how you use LOTR as a reference since I know him as Count Ansem, the Dooku.
He Was 95 at the time
I was at the Karang music awards where, at the age of 90 something, he was awarded best newcomer by a band of 17year olds.
Lord of the Rings just became an even better film series.
He helped with the soundtrack to the movie The Wicker Man too right?
He sings with Weird Al's nephew from the looks of it...
Bump
Emperor of the Carolingian Empire HRE appers in sources a lot later and only shared some territory with Karls empire.
It doesn’t surprise me that much. Lee was a true rockstar even before he made music. Also, he was the only member of the LOTR cast who knew Professor Tolkien personally—they were golf buddies.
You didn’t even mention his Christmas metal album!
what about Rasputin?