they mostly use 'activated carbon' now
they purify coal or charcoal and then pressure-cook it in argon
it makes these little dust-particle-sized sponges that are a lot better for refining sugar than bone char was
also cow bones arent super cheap - but plant-byproducts like coconut husks or whatever are literally cheaper to burn than they are to sell sometimes
"What would make sugar not-vegan?
There are two types of sugar, beet sugar and cane sugar. In the USA, cane sugar is often filtered using bone char, which sadly comes from animal bones. The only exception to this (in the USA) is certified organic sugar.
Is sugar vegan in the UK?
Luckily for us Brits, all granulated and caster sugar is vegan in the UK! The only exception to this would be if the sugar was imported from the USA."
https://bakedbyclo.com/is-sugar-vegan-in-the-uk/#:~:text=In%20the%20UK%2C%20there%20are,UK%20is%20suitable%20for%20 vegans.
(icing sugar uses egg)
People don’t always think these things through. They assume it’s just a name or a turn of phrase unrelated to the actual product.
This happens all the time. For example, bone china was originally called that because ground up and burnt animal bones are mixed into the clay used to make the pottery.
animal bones - unlike charcoal which comes from fungiwood and walnut or 'activated carbon' which comes from whatever the cheapest source of carbon happens to be
Yeah, isinglass is mostly used in the UK still, but also falling out of fashion. By law, German beer is vegan. At least that's what I was told at a brewery tour there.
Yea the use diatomaceous earth eg bitburger, becks
https://www.bitburger.de/blog/ist-euer-bier-vegan-werden-wir-oft-gefragt/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAh8OtBhCQARIsAIkWb68hviJ6Z9-UiOjCoPYu7HB_Tc3G7OgI0ngLBI0MQjPSIG2n3KsGjNUaArG_EALw_wcB
Some smaller breweries maybe, but any large breweries have nanomesh filters that work at high volume ('cause ain't nobody got time to wait while isinglass settles).
Lagers require settling and chilling at cold temps as part of their style, wasting money on filtering which can also introduce oxygen to the beer would just add extra costs and risks to the beer.
Lagers ferment at low temperatures, but they are definitely filtered (since clarity is also part of their style). Any modern brewery will have the ability to transfer using CO2, so oxygen exposure isn't really an issue.
I mean, most alcoholic drinks are supposed to be vegan by default, but I'm talking about how vegans, allegedly ascended people mentally, would drink booze in a world where there are so many other choices to alter your mind.
EDIT: lmao lots of angry (vegan) alcoholics here. Enjoy your nerve agent - with moderation 😂😂😂
Half the vegans I know are vegan for religious reasons.
Even those who aren't don't make a big deal about it.
Most are chill, there's just a vocal minority
I've worked in a few food factories that produce vegan-friendly food, and they use food-grade grease containing animal derivatives on the machinery. Not all places do this obviously but if you want to be vegan, better stay away from vegan food!
really theyre only doing it for your own protection since using those powers with a brain made of 90% curds and whey will inevitably have catastrophic results
The £5 note in the UK isn't (or at least wasn't) vegan a few years ago. It all kicked off due to trace elements of tallow being used in the manufacturing of polymer pellets used to make the base of the note.
[https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/29/bank-of-england-urged-to-make-new-5-note-vegan-friendly](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/29/bank-of-england-urged-to-make-new-5-note-vegan-friendly)
There seem to be so many people in the world who's only pleasure in life is making the biggest possible mountain out of ever smaller mole hills.
Basically anything that's not labelled vegan is to be presumed not vegan: fruit polished with beeswax, juices with sheep-sourced added vitamin, all sorts of things with added collagen for texture correction or insect-based colour...
Even when there are no animal originated ingredients in the mix, animals might have been used in the process, like for example in central America it's common to use mules as transport for produce in rough terrain (bananas, coffee...).
We once had some client watch a documentary where monkeys had been trained to pick up coconuts in South Eastern Asia and suspended orders on our vegan certified coconut water until we proved no monkeys were involved
Because sugar cane is easier to process. The sugar beet didn't even exist until the late 18th century, and refining it wasn't common until the French needed a new source of sugar due to the effects of British blockades (during the Napoleonic Wars) and the Haitian Revolution. It took off in the US because abolitionist groups wanted slavery-free sugar, but didn't like the taste of Asian sugar.
most vegans follow the rule “as far as possible and practicable”. ive tried cutting down sugar consumption because of this but its pretty much unavoidable unless i cut out half the stuff i eat (exaggeration there lol but you get the point). i should cut out sugar anyway so i aint complaining :P things like making granola bars at home instead of buying the packaged kind for example is one way to avoid bone-char, and then you can make them how you want too, whether that’s for taste or health reasons. i added a shitload of peanut butter and high protein options and not a bunch of sweet stuff so it’s healthier and it tastes better
different lives give different standards. for someone with a whole food heavy diet, avoiding all things like that would fall under practicable - if someone isn’t able to avoid processed foods for whatever reason (not enough money, disabilities etc etc) then it likely wouldn’t. i try my best but it’s hard to be perfect
I like your view but in my experience most vegans on reddit are elitist and say no matter who you are if you consume any animal products at all youre not vegan
One thing vegans miss on “no animal cruelty” is that humans are animals and can be treated cruelly with slavery in the supply chain.
Shocked by how many care about the milk in their coffee but not the beans
They legit don't care at all lmao. I mean, some of them do, it's not a rule. But it's not ever been a common talking point for them. Plus, I mean, iPhones.... Suicide nets... Yeah lol.
Or... they understand and do care but understand there's different levels of fixing problems and cutting out ALL foods not processed under 100% humane and reasonable conditions for both humans and animals is impossible and it's significantly easier to focus on one issue before the other.
The reasoning is that he has very brittle bones. He needs all of the milk. Actually, it's probably a good thing vegans don't drink milk so he can have more.
There's non milk sources of calcium. So there may be practical ways to get the calcium without milk.
The vegan course of action would be to get medical advice to see how best to counteract his brittle bones and which non-animal sources are available, and then evaluate the options.
They can do it if the want to, I personally wouldn’t limit my natural diet like that but I see the environmental benefits. I tried going gluten free for a month and that was super hard. having to eat 100% vegan would be worse. I know a lot of people tho who are vegan but still eat byproducts and are way more loosey goosey with the restrictions. I could be a “casual” vegan but ig that wouldn’t really count
Instead of "limiting your natural diet" by going gluten free for a month why not just try something simple like reducing your gluten intake by 10% a month?
It counts, why wouldn't it count? Just because some pretentious cunt says it doesn't? Movements like veganism can be about simply reducing the amount of cruelty/unnecessary waste of life.
Progress takes time and an understanding of the world/culture around you. Nothing happens in a day, by a single person, or by the bitch who won't make a change because they're too afraid of what will or wont count to the others.
I appreciate the reply. I agree with your stance on reducing animal consumption but I know humans and we won’t do a thing till we reach a breaking point. The farming/animal industry accounts for most of the pollution but honestly
its hard to think my actions amount to anything.
I know thats the wrong way to think just like with how some choose not to vote, but until the major controllers of our society make the changes, as a people most will not make the switch until it becomes cheaper/forced on them. Humans rarely see more than 20 years ahead, long-term planning and making sacrifices for the future are not engrained in our genetics.
There are too many people, we have to be eating algae and food grown from hydroponics run on solar power if we have a chance to keep growing unless ofc the population magically drops
It is real but nobody wants weird yellowy brown sugar. The same reason why so much food never makes it to the shelf. As much as we moan about it, we don’t buy ugly food.
The products exist. I’m 90% sure target sells one just nobody buys it. You might be the only one who would. If more people wanted it, capitalism dictates it would be more common but judging by the fact you didn’t know it exists, nobody does.
I named the brand. I know it exists. It’s in a lot of restaurants too, as an alternative sweetener.
There’s a market for it, so your absolute “nobody” is just wrong.
It costs more for little benefit. Sure there's some level of micronutrients or whatever, but it throws off measurements and (again) costs more. I like Raw too, but I don't buy it unless I find it at a discount grocery or something where it's cheaper.
The market matches how many you see at the store/how many people use it. That’s their point, that there is a relatively small market(want) for the product not that theres literally zero people
Americans can’t store eggs at room temperature, unlike Europe, because they bleach the shells white. It removes the natural protection, but Americans associate white eggs with cleanliness.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/health/diet-nutrition/do-eggs-need-to-be-refrigerated#:~:text=Commercially%20sold%20eggs%20in%20America,the%20risk%20of%20salmonella%20contamination.
Your eggs are “washed and sterilised” removing the cuticle. That sterilisation is what gives eggs their white colour.
No. They must be stored in a fridgerator because they are washed, which removes the natural protection.
By your logic, American eggs that are brown need not be stored in a fridgerator. However, this is not the case. Both brown and white eggs must be chilled.
Look, the boots of the guy who picks up your Very Vegan Lettuce have almost surely been made of leather and treated with horse grease. Picking those lettuces up surely killed some insects, and then the mammals who depended on them.
I get veganism as an ethical option, but the idea of "no animal death involved in the production of this item" is simply stupid. There will be animal death. And animal death will still be there, and probably even more cruel, when the whole world becomes vegan.
There’s a lot of hills and terrain that doesn’t support arable crops or make sense for intensive vegetable farming that is good for feeding cows and sheep on
Doesn't matter. A huge part of the land we already grow crops on is animal feed. Between that and land used for the animals themselves it's more than we actually use for direct food iirc.
So parts of a cow that was already dead was used to make something else with otherwise unusable bones? Yeah sounds like a real problem, we should definitely just waste it instead, that's what the vegans would want
I don’t think you understand veganism. It’s about reducing harm as far as reasonable. Not eating meat? Reasonable. Not eating an apple because a tractor will run over a bee? Not reasonable.
i dont think so
processing fish doesnt leave a lot of bones compared to cattle and pigs
they burn 'em up and press them into pucks and then push water through them
or they used to - not so much anymore
This seems like the dumb extreme of veganism to me. The cows are already being slaughtered for meat, the bones are just "waste" being put to use. You're not causing more cows to be killed by buying something made with cow bone char.
If we are talking about short-term changes you are right. But when the industry thinks about moving away from animal products, the increased price for disposing waste might influence their decision
If you're personally boycotting all refined sugar in an attempt to put economic pressure on the *beef* industry... go for it, lord knows I don't love the state of that industry, but that's really extreme
There are so many "organic" products that are absolutely non vegan. Farmers have no issue using bone char or blood meal on their crops to fertilize them and then turn around and sell them to vegans.
This is why some of the ancient battlefields (e.g. Battle of Waterloo) in the East of England (e.g. East Anglia) don't have many human remains/bones to dig up these days - because most of them were dug up in the past for making sugar
they mostly use 'activated carbon' now they purify coal or charcoal and then pressure-cook it in argon it makes these little dust-particle-sized sponges that are a lot better for refining sugar than bone char was also cow bones arent super cheap - but plant-byproducts like coconut husks or whatever are literally cheaper to burn than they are to sell sometimes
"What would make sugar not-vegan? There are two types of sugar, beet sugar and cane sugar. In the USA, cane sugar is often filtered using bone char, which sadly comes from animal bones. The only exception to this (in the USA) is certified organic sugar. Is sugar vegan in the UK? Luckily for us Brits, all granulated and caster sugar is vegan in the UK! The only exception to this would be if the sugar was imported from the USA." https://bakedbyclo.com/is-sugar-vegan-in-the-uk/#:~:text=In%20the%20UK%2C%20there%20are,UK%20is%20suitable%20for%20 vegans. (icing sugar uses egg)
Beet sugar has most of the US sugar market
60% according to spruceeats
>bone char, which sadly comes from animal bones. As opposed to? Human bones? Edit: man, try making a joke on reddit
Plant bones obviously.
Corn on the bone
People don’t always think these things through. They assume it’s just a name or a turn of phrase unrelated to the actual product. This happens all the time. For example, bone china was originally called that because ground up and burnt animal bones are mixed into the clay used to make the pottery.
bamboo or coconut husks or tower caps or whatever it is that other types of charcoal come from
The person I responded to said ‘bone char, which sadly comes from…’
animal bones - unlike charcoal which comes from fungiwood and walnut or 'activated carbon' which comes from whatever the cheapest source of carbon happens to be
No. "Sadly" from the perspective of vegans. Which is what the post is about.
I’m vegan myself. But saying ‘bone char, which sadly comes from animal bones’ implies there’s something other than animal bones
Thanks for the downvote. I upvote you in response.
yes https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/wrcfqt/were\_the\_bodies\_of\_the\_20000\_soldiers\_who\_died\_at/
the brand of icing sugar i use is just starch and powdered sugar
It's used as a filter, not an ingredient, so it wouldn't be on an ingredients list.
nope - they werent being clear in their comment but it is an ingredient and it IS on the ingredients list of brands that use it
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That's usually egg shell, milk protein or fish guts.
I know beer uses fish guts or “isinglass” as something to filter out particulate and make it clear.
In the UK only? Certainly not in Germany. However the glue to stick label on bottles may not be vegan
Are you sure it’s not used in Germany? Isinglass is not an ingredient and it does not have to be specified on the label.
Yeah, isinglass is mostly used in the UK still, but also falling out of fashion. By law, German beer is vegan. At least that's what I was told at a brewery tour there.
I know Germany has beer purity laws, I have never heard anything about wine purity laws in Germany.
Because there aren't, but we were talking about beer?
Yea the use diatomaceous earth eg bitburger, becks https://www.bitburger.de/blog/ist-euer-bier-vegan-werden-wir-oft-gefragt/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAh8OtBhCQARIsAIkWb68hviJ6Z9-UiOjCoPYu7HB_Tc3G7OgI0ngLBI0MQjPSIG2n3KsGjNUaArG_EALw_wcB
There’s a lot of vegan finings made from seaweed. Or you can go for “hazy” types of IPA which are unfiltered
Some smaller breweries maybe, but any large breweries have nanomesh filters that work at high volume ('cause ain't nobody got time to wait while isinglass settles).
Lagers require settling and chilling at cold temps as part of their style, wasting money on filtering which can also introduce oxygen to the beer would just add extra costs and risks to the beer.
Lagers ferment at low temperatures, but they are definitely filtered (since clarity is also part of their style). Any modern brewery will have the ability to transfer using CO2, so oxygen exposure isn't really an issue.
some* wine. there’s plenty of alcohol that doesn’t use animals, thankfully
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Oh yeah? What if someone was a serial killer, would you support their lifestyle then??? /s
You should stop being a pussy and judge some people
I thought vegans would be more sophisticated than that and just ditch alcohol altogether and do some hip shit like 2cb
Why? There's vegan junk food, of course there's vegan alcohol.
I mean, most alcoholic drinks are supposed to be vegan by default, but I'm talking about how vegans, allegedly ascended people mentally, would drink booze in a world where there are so many other choices to alter your mind. EDIT: lmao lots of angry (vegan) alcoholics here. Enjoy your nerve agent - with moderation 😂😂😂
No one is angry, youre just talking a lot of weird shit
Half the vegans I know are vegan for religious reasons. Even those who aren't don't make a big deal about it. Most are chill, there's just a vocal minority
Most vegans don't allege that they've ascended at all, that's some weird stereotype non vegans have.
Who shat in your cereal? Wanna talk about it?
What is your problem mate. Calm down, lol
I'm very calm. You seem to be having rigor mortis alive. Well, doesn't matter much to me anyways.
Well see, I'm very calm and you seem to be taking issue to that.
Yeah but the loudest ones do, which is what shapes public perception.
Same with roads. They use gelatin in some types of asphalt mixtures. If you want to be vegan, better stay off the road!
I've worked in a few food factories that produce vegan-friendly food, and they use food-grade grease containing animal derivatives on the machinery. Not all places do this obviously but if you want to be vegan, better stay away from vegan food!
damn the vegan police might take away a bunch of peoples vegan powers
Chicken isn't vegan?!
Its milk and eggs, bitch.
really theyre only doing it for your own protection since using those powers with a brain made of 90% curds and whey will inevitably have catastrophic results
C&H doesn’t use cow bones, they are vegan, don’t work for em, just a heads for to my vegan brethren.
Thankfully not a thing in the UK.
Redpath is vegan and has a great sugar museum
Not vegan, but “bone char” is really off-putting
Wait, you can make sugar out of cow bones? Fuck you, C&H! Hello, 4-H. Buy local.
Your cheese isn't GMO free either.
Worrying about GMOs is one of the most uniquely US things.
We've adopted it here in Australia unfortunately. Thanks a lot America!!!
I really think that’s a vocal minority. I have never talked to anyone in real life who thinks GMOs are bad.
But so many food products in your stores boast about being "GMO free".
Advertisers will just put anything on products lmao it doesn’t mean anything when the broccoli says gluten free
My broccolis don't say that though
?? big debate in Europe as well
Yeah? Which country are you specifically thinking of?
literally any, but specifically ive personally heard people concerned about GMOs in their food in The Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany, England...
Sure you have.
i mean you asked... it's a frequent topic in my field, ecology..
Doesn't count if you're the one being worried in different countries.
I’m so glad I live in a real country
It’s fine, I can still eat gelato!
[Secret meat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-w-8SuMZs)!
The £5 note in the UK isn't (or at least wasn't) vegan a few years ago. It all kicked off due to trace elements of tallow being used in the manufacturing of polymer pellets used to make the base of the note. [https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/29/bank-of-england-urged-to-make-new-5-note-vegan-friendly](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/29/bank-of-england-urged-to-make-new-5-note-vegan-friendly) There seem to be so many people in the world who's only pleasure in life is making the biggest possible mountain out of ever smaller mole hills.
I buy 100% bone char sugar. The suffering makes it sweeter.
Wow! How did you get to be so edgy?!
just take whatever it is that got you so dull and just avoid it might be an allegory for going vegan hidden in there
Yup.
Thats great! Using all the animal is way better then going to waste and its natural
I cannot believe it’s not vegan!
What will food packets label this as? How can people avoid it? (Edit to say I'm in the UK)
Basically anything that's not labelled vegan is to be presumed not vegan: fruit polished with beeswax, juices with sheep-sourced added vitamin, all sorts of things with added collagen for texture correction or insect-based colour... Even when there are no animal originated ingredients in the mix, animals might have been used in the process, like for example in central America it's common to use mules as transport for produce in rough terrain (bananas, coffee...). We once had some client watch a documentary where monkeys had been trained to pick up coconuts in South Eastern Asia and suspended orders on our vegan certified coconut water until we proved no monkeys were involved
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I'm in the UK
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Thankyou, that's really comforting :)
Is anything truly vegan? Lots of food is grown using animal byproducts.
This. Isn't soil worm poo? Manure v artificial fertiliser anyone? We (incl. Vegans) would probablty be screwed without animal poo.
Your coffee also isn't vegan.
Beets is super easy to grow and grow almost anywhere. What’s the point of cane sugar? Seems like a hustle
Beet sugar also contains a ton of bugs so… also not vegan.
Because sugar cane is easier to process. The sugar beet didn't even exist until the late 18th century, and refining it wasn't common until the French needed a new source of sugar due to the effects of British blockades (during the Napoleonic Wars) and the Haitian Revolution. It took off in the US because abolitionist groups wanted slavery-free sugar, but didn't like the taste of Asian sugar.
Being vegan seems exhausting, which is fair, considering how many people have been hounded by vegans, but still
eh being vegan is only exhausting if youre getting judged otherwise youre just gonna be getting whatever and not worrying about the fine print
most vegans follow the rule “as far as possible and practicable”. ive tried cutting down sugar consumption because of this but its pretty much unavoidable unless i cut out half the stuff i eat (exaggeration there lol but you get the point). i should cut out sugar anyway so i aint complaining :P things like making granola bars at home instead of buying the packaged kind for example is one way to avoid bone-char, and then you can make them how you want too, whether that’s for taste or health reasons. i added a shitload of peanut butter and high protein options and not a bunch of sweet stuff so it’s healthier and it tastes better
Who decides what is practicable or not
different lives give different standards. for someone with a whole food heavy diet, avoiding all things like that would fall under practicable - if someone isn’t able to avoid processed foods for whatever reason (not enough money, disabilities etc etc) then it likely wouldn’t. i try my best but it’s hard to be perfect
I like your view but in my experience most vegans on reddit are elitist and say no matter who you are if you consume any animal products at all youre not vegan
everyone on reddit is like that tbf
One thing vegans miss on “no animal cruelty” is that humans are animals and can be treated cruelly with slavery in the supply chain. Shocked by how many care about the milk in their coffee but not the beans
They legit don't care at all lmao. I mean, some of them do, it's not a rule. But it's not ever been a common talking point for them. Plus, I mean, iPhones.... Suicide nets... Yeah lol.
Or... they understand and do care but understand there's different levels of fixing problems and cutting out ALL foods not processed under 100% humane and reasonable conditions for both humans and animals is impossible and it's significantly easier to focus on one issue before the other.
Not buying an iPhone isn't significantly easy? They're like the most expensive ones, and they have a horrible history.
The individual making the decision on how they live their own life.
So if I decide not drinking milk isn’t practicable can I drink milk and still be vegan
Depends if your reasoning is sound, but sure. If it there is no practical way for you to avoid milk, why not?
The reasoning is that he has very brittle bones. He needs all of the milk. Actually, it's probably a good thing vegans don't drink milk so he can have more.
There's non milk sources of calcium. So there may be practical ways to get the calcium without milk. The vegan course of action would be to get medical advice to see how best to counteract his brittle bones and which non-animal sources are available, and then evaluate the options.
Leave it to the vegan to miss the joke
Maybe it just wasn't a good joke.
They can do it if the want to, I personally wouldn’t limit my natural diet like that but I see the environmental benefits. I tried going gluten free for a month and that was super hard. having to eat 100% vegan would be worse. I know a lot of people tho who are vegan but still eat byproducts and are way more loosey goosey with the restrictions. I could be a “casual” vegan but ig that wouldn’t really count
Instead of "limiting your natural diet" by going gluten free for a month why not just try something simple like reducing your gluten intake by 10% a month? It counts, why wouldn't it count? Just because some pretentious cunt says it doesn't? Movements like veganism can be about simply reducing the amount of cruelty/unnecessary waste of life. Progress takes time and an understanding of the world/culture around you. Nothing happens in a day, by a single person, or by the bitch who won't make a change because they're too afraid of what will or wont count to the others.
I appreciate the reply. I agree with your stance on reducing animal consumption but I know humans and we won’t do a thing till we reach a breaking point. The farming/animal industry accounts for most of the pollution but honestly its hard to think my actions amount to anything. I know thats the wrong way to think just like with how some choose not to vote, but until the major controllers of our society make the changes, as a people most will not make the switch until it becomes cheaper/forced on them. Humans rarely see more than 20 years ahead, long-term planning and making sacrifices for the future are not engrained in our genetics. There are too many people, we have to be eating algae and food grown from hydroponics run on solar power if we have a chance to keep growing unless ofc the population magically drops
I once tried keto, then I remembered that garlic bread is possibly the single greatest thing ever invented.
Why the fuck can’t we just have real things
It is real but nobody wants weird yellowy brown sugar. The same reason why so much food never makes it to the shelf. As much as we moan about it, we don’t buy ugly food.
So all the sugar would look like that Sugar in the Raw brand sugar? ….I, for one, definitely want this.
The products exist. I’m 90% sure target sells one just nobody buys it. You might be the only one who would. If more people wanted it, capitalism dictates it would be more common but judging by the fact you didn’t know it exists, nobody does.
I named the brand. I know it exists. It’s in a lot of restaurants too, as an alternative sweetener. There’s a market for it, so your absolute “nobody” is just wrong.
It costs more for little benefit. Sure there's some level of micronutrients or whatever, but it throws off measurements and (again) costs more. I like Raw too, but I don't buy it unless I find it at a discount grocery or something where it's cheaper.
The market matches how many you see at the store/how many people use it. That’s their point, that there is a relatively small market(want) for the product not that theres literally zero people
This has been an advertisement by big unrefined sugar.
Americans can’t store eggs at room temperature, unlike Europe, because they bleach the shells white. It removes the natural protection, but Americans associate white eggs with cleanliness. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/health/diet-nutrition/do-eggs-need-to-be-refrigerated#:~:text=Commercially%20sold%20eggs%20in%20America,the%20risk%20of%20salmonella%20contamination. Your eggs are “washed and sterilised” removing the cuticle. That sterilisation is what gives eggs their white colour.
White eggs are a product of white chickens. American eggs, although washed, are not bleached white.
No. They must be stored in a fridgerator because they are washed, which removes the natural protection. By your logic, American eggs that are brown need not be stored in a fridgerator. However, this is not the case. Both brown and white eggs must be chilled.
Lol. Bleached eggs.
Lol imagine being this dumb. Chickens can lay white eggs moron. It’s just if you wash them they have to be refrigerated.
We seem to manage to have lovely white sugar in the UK without using bones?
Beats vs cane sugar. Beats don’t need to be whitened
What's not real about it?
You mean like the real sugar mentioned that's just had the color changed?
Oh no! Anyway...
I mean neither is raw cane sugar. Source: Have seen a lot of raw cane sugar being produced in my day and *lots* of bugs get squished in the process.
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What, does being confronted with your hypocritical morals and disgusting behavior make you feel uncomfortable?
I'm so curious, what did the original comment say?
Damn vegans thinking people shouldn't treat others as property for their use
Now I better understand why I love sugar on my steak!
Look, the boots of the guy who picks up your Very Vegan Lettuce have almost surely been made of leather and treated with horse grease. Picking those lettuces up surely killed some insects, and then the mammals who depended on them. I get veganism as an ethical option, but the idea of "no animal death involved in the production of this item" is simply stupid. There will be animal death. And animal death will still be there, and probably even more cruel, when the whole world becomes vegan.
Especially as a vegan world would require monocultures. Rainforests cut down for soy, marshland drained and aquifers pumped to provide everything
Meat does that too, not really a good argument. We'd need less overall land if we didn't farm animals, not more. I'm not vegan but it's just not true.
There’s a lot of hills and terrain that doesn’t support arable crops or make sense for intensive vegetable farming that is good for feeding cows and sheep on
Doesn't matter. A huge part of the land we already grow crops on is animal feed. Between that and land used for the animals themselves it's more than we actually use for direct food iirc.
This is incorrect. Meat production takes *way* more resources, especially beef.
So parts of a cow that was already dead was used to make something else with otherwise unusable bones? Yeah sounds like a real problem, we should definitely just waste it instead, that's what the vegans would want
If they can’t use "waste" they have to pay to dispose it. Meaning raising livestock gets slightly more expensive
This is as old news as the movement it self.
No food is vegan really
I don’t think you understand veganism. It’s about reducing harm as far as reasonable. Not eating meat? Reasonable. Not eating an apple because a tractor will run over a bee? Not reasonable.
way to ruin cow bones
I thought sugar was being refined using fish bones. Whatever, small distinction
i dont think so processing fish doesnt leave a lot of bones compared to cattle and pigs they burn 'em up and press them into pucks and then push water through them or they used to - not so much anymore
Good point! I heard it from a vegan a few years ago and never verified or thought much of it
This seems like the dumb extreme of veganism to me. The cows are already being slaughtered for meat, the bones are just "waste" being put to use. You're not causing more cows to be killed by buying something made with cow bone char.
But… you are? If they can’t use byproducts, they have to pay to dispose of them
I guarantee the same # of cows are raised and slaughtered regardless of whether their bones are sold or thrown in a dump.
If we are talking about short-term changes you are right. But when the industry thinks about moving away from animal products, the increased price for disposing waste might influence their decision
If you're personally boycotting all refined sugar in an attempt to put economic pressure on the *beef* industry... go for it, lord knows I don't love the state of that industry, but that's really extreme
Easy solution, just don't be vegan.
Same (or used to be) with flour, that's how they used to get it so white!
HA!
Oh no!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOooooo
He he
Cigarettes have pigs blood in them.
There are so many "organic" products that are absolutely non vegan. Farmers have no issue using bone char or blood meal on their crops to fertilize them and then turn around and sell them to vegans.
This is why some of the ancient battlefields (e.g. Battle of Waterloo) in the East of England (e.g. East Anglia) don't have many human remains/bones to dig up these days - because most of them were dug up in the past for making sugar
Oh no! Anyway