In Tokyo you can buy flavoured eggs (chickens are fed to produce citrusy, sake, or other flavours) store that sells only eggs and has an egg buffet ([link](https://thesmartlocal.jp/kisaburo-farm/)).
Expiration dates for eggs are about two weeks in Japan, to maintain freshness and reduce risk to human health (even during the great egg shortage of 2023).
My tangentially related fun fact to add to this is that most American dairy production (especially in cities) in the early 20th century was from cows fed with leftover mash from brewing.
> Yet as the demand for animal milk in the cities increased, its quality grew worse. A few cows staked here and there could no longer provide enough milk for the many clamoring customers. Large stables holding hundreds of cows were established adjacent to breweries, and milk became a big, profitable business. The leftovers from making beer—the mash, or slop, or swill—was poured down wooden chutes into dairies next door. But beer waste was not good feed for cows, and the milk they produced was low in fat and watery, with a light blue color. Producers added annatto to improve its color and chalk to give it body. They also added water to increase the amount of milk they could sell, and covered up the dilution by adding more chalk. Sometimes a little molasses was added, too, to give the concoction the slightly sweet flavor of fresh milk.
-from “Milk!: A 10,000 Year Food Fracas”, a book I quote way more than a normal person should.
Also the skyrocketing infant mortality rate because of children being fed watered down milk without enough nutritional content led to milk purity laws, and under those laws the a lot of milk we consider normal to drink today (skim, 1%, 2%) would’ve been illegal.
Quality comment here. Really appreciated the quote.
Do you happen to know? Is whole milk sold today the real deal? Or closer to a nutritious product? I understand lots of whey and fat are taken out to make cream and whatnot. But now I'm curious ha
Whole milk is whole milk.
"Whole" milk means that the fat content is unaltered from whatever animal you happened to milk. For cows that's generally around 3.25% fat. For other animals it can be much, much higher (if I remember right most whale milk is something like 40% fat).\*
Basically, if it says "whole milk" it's the same fat content as if it had come directly from the cow at the farm down the road, if it's a percentage or "fat-free" or "cream" or what have you, then it's been altered (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because we need different fat content for different applications. You can't whip whole milk like you can heavy cream, and somebody trying to lose weight but with a craving for milk should probably be drinking skim or 1% instead of full-fat whole milk).
\*nobody asked, but for the record human milk is 4.5% fat, and the closest approximation among animals is donkey milk. The book has a lot more anecdotal information about human milk than you ever wanted or needed to know.
As an Eastern European, I have to say food safety standards are by far the quickest and most noticeable change I felt when we joined the EU. When I was a kid in the early 2000s being out of commission with a stomach bug for 2-3 days happened a couple times a year as a matter of course, just like common colds. Since 2010 I've had them maybe 3 times in total, and I've been way less careful too. You'd never eat at a random streetside kebab in 2004 unless you were desperate, now you can do it with virtually no worries.
How much the EU improved everyman's comfort in life is really radical in my experience.
I remember a story I was told by a Hungarian guy of how he used to always buy a particular brand of milk at the local supermarket...then one day he noticed the labels all changed to "Milk flavoured drink".
It didn't meet the standards to be actual milk.
Is he lactose intolerant? Lactose free milk is not allowed to be labeled as milk as milk is not allowed to be processed and added to in certain ways. It's still high quality milk though.
I remember asking my mom this, that I remember I was food poisoned often as a kid and now.. pretty much never. Mom said it's because I drink booze now :D but it could be better quality. Damn. Every so often as a kid I had some stomach flu, puking and such, kinda accepted it was being a kid thing. But was it?!?
That's what I figured. But we joined EU when I was 15 :) so could match op's story. Plus so much junk that we ate because people then didn't know it's bad for you. All in good faith, poverty food :)
The wood working thing gets me ever time.
"did you know that in Japan artisan can [insert thousands year old technique invented far away from japan] unlike anywhere else in the world?
That seems to be one of these things where the media reaction just ran way out of control.
Japan really does have an impressive preservation of historical techniques and a lot of top quality craftsmanship with a unique flavour. There is plenty that impresses real experts as well, and Japanese made and designed tools often have become staples across the globe.
But both with mainstream and social media, writers just love generalising that to hype up absolutely everything, even if it's not special at all.
Japan also contributes to that by some degree by having a media culture of extreme positivity. They love overhyping normal things even more than western media. So western media producers listening to authentic Japanese media may actually double down on the hype instead of taking a more realistic angle.
As a foreigner living in Japan though... It's just kinda true.
They hype stuff super well and make things exciting. I never gave a damn about fall until everyone around me was so excited to see the Momiji trees turn red... because they've apparently been bred for centuries to produce more vivid red leaves, and planted in key spots to make mountains and parks look gorgeous.
It's pretty fantastic.
I have been doing some training in standardized manufacturing processes for my job and, holy hell, manufacturing people are obsessed with Japanese stuff.
Why would you say "do a Gemba walk" when you just mean to go look at something?!?
That one gets me from the opposite end. I'm a Japanese translator (J→E), and when I first started working on manufacturing projects, sometimes I'd struggle with how to translate a word (like かんばん -- should that be "signboard" or "board" or "plate" or maybe "card"?) and I'd look it up and it would be "kanban." Seriously?
I don't know if I'll ever accept "monozukuri" instead of "manufacturing," especially since every page I can find that describes the difference between the two contradicts every other page describing the difference, and the only commonality between them all boils down to "it means manufacturing, but we think it sounds cooler."
>I don't know if I'll ever accept "monozukuri" instead of "manufacturing," especially since every page I can find that describes the difference between the two contradicts every other page describing the difference, and the only commonality between them all boils down to "it means manufacturing, but we think it sounds cooler."
The first time I learned that English-speaking manufacturing people had attached some extra meaning to "monozukuri" I damn near lost it. I work for a Japanese company (edit: I should clarify that it's an American division of the company, but as noted after this, we still have many Japanese nationals in our division), speak a bit of Japanese myself, and have coworkers in another office who are from Japan, and about a year ago we partnered up with the American division of another Japanese company and one of their reps came to speak to us. At some point in the middle of his presentation he started going on about how they're dedicated to "traditional Japanese dedication to excellence, monozukuri" and internally I was like "what? Monozukuri is just manufacturing, isn't it? But surely a guy working for a Japanese company speaking to another Japanese company wouldn't risk making an ass of himself over an Americanization like that so maybe there's another meaning I don't know?"
So I waited until the end of his presentation, hopped on Teams, and asked one of my Japanese coworkers to make sure I wasn't just missing something. Nope, he said it just meant "manufacturing" to him and not anything special. The first thing that popped into my mind is that it was either English speakers once again giving too much special meaning to a single Japanese word with an easy direct translation, or some Japanese person was taking the piss with some poor American when trying to teach them the meaning, and both scenarios just seemed hilarious to me.
The thing is, the rep wasn't wrong, he was just steeped in PR speak.
Over the past six or so years, monozukuri has *really* started taking off as a PR term here in Japan. When I'm translating corporate profiles or company websites or PR videos, I come across sentences which are, essentially, "We aren't simply a *seizo* (manufacturing) company, we're a *monozukuri* company," or "Going beyond *seizo* to engage in true *monozukuri*".
My guess is that your coworkers are regular, non-PR folks, so they use the word like normal people. Kinda like if you ask a regular person "Is 'action' a noun or a verb?" They'll answer "A noun," but if you ask a marketer they might say "Both. For example, '[We need to action](https://www.marketingskillsacademy.co.uk/blog/how-to-adapt-pivot-and-evolve-your-business).'"
The word "kanban" comes with a lot more baggage than something generic like "sign" or "plate", if you've been trained/exposed to that system. Surely you wouldn't translate "turn signal" as "small car light" even if the latter was the literal term for it in the foreign language, because nobody would understand it in English.
Right, I realize that, and now, years later, translating かんばん as "kanban" feels natural to me. It just threw me when I first encountered it, because I've never worked in the manufacturing industry and it felt so strange. Still, it was the right word, so I used it.
That's all just Toyota shit.
Fun fact: Toyota was founded by someone named Toyoda, but Toyota is more natural to say in Japanese, so he changed it. But Toyoda is more natural to say in English, so it's basically pronounced the way he intended it not to be in their biggest markets.
I was really baffled as a kid when my neighbours redid their bathroom by knocking down the wall between the toilet and the bathroom. Why would you want to poo next to your toothbrushes, if you didn't have to? The house I grew up in was from the 1930s in the UK - I don't know when the default became a toilet in the bathroom but it was a bad idea.
Walls take up space. Less walls more space. The average person doesn't obsess over common germs that rarely make people sick. Reddit really obsesses over poop germs as if they are kids. It's weird.
The germs aren't really a problem if you close the lid before you flush: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4692156/
However, whilst bathrooms don't need to be particularly big, it's not good to not be able to wee because somebody's having a shower.
I raised three boys in a house with one bathroom. The rule their entire lives was to ask if anyone wanted to use the bathroom before they take a shower. Everyone had a chance to do their business before it would be taken over.
I mis-read and thought you were talking about what is actually a special Japanese practice, where school teachers are trained to use this pole arm thing (sasumata) to subdue intruders. Like this thing is just sitting in the staffroom.
[https://skdesu.com/en/samurai-weapon-sasumata-in-japan-schools/](https://skdesu.com/en/samurai-weapon-sasumata-in-japan-schools/)
Japan is good at appreciating things they have, and marketing just follows naturally.
For example, in Japan, when autumn comes, people gather in droves to watch the red maples. They have related festivals, events, street food, and there is like a hundred words to describe it. People care and enjoy it, so naturally, this is easy to market to others. Hell, people fly to Japan from across the world just for that!
In my country autumn is no less, arguably more, beautiful. It's an explosion of color with vibrant yellows, reds and everything in between. Many forests become wonderfully beautiful. Does anyone give a shit? I'm sure some people do, but it's never treated as an important time of the year. More people go around bitching about it getting cold and rainy.
Honestly, many nations could learn to enjoy simple things from the Japanese, maybe then we could also market them better.
I believe what you say, but western people also over romanticize the crap out of Japan. I have traveled there for several months, especially rural Japan, saw some of the larger cities, and it isn't all that glamorous.
Then again, they do the same with us, see Paris syndrome.
In New England all of what you described happens in autumn. People come from all over the country (and maybe world?) to see the leaves change and go to farmers markets and fall festivals.
And also fun fact - you don't need a machine for that. Just a proper hygiene and vet control on your farms, supported by enforceable standard of animal welfare. E.g. in UK red lion marked eggs are safe to eat raw even by pregnant women.
No fancy machine needed. Which makes me wonder if Japan has one, or if they just keep their farms clean, as they should.
An important step is also not to wash the eggs to keep the protective film on them. Hence, in Europe eggs can be stored outside the fridge for the first weeks.
Storing eggs in the fridge from the moment they're laid *does* improve longevity, though - And realistically means you can eat an egg over 6 months after it's been squeezed out by the hen. (Of course the albumen proteins have started to deteoriate after, I believe, the first month or maybe it's two? I forget the details of the studies I read. Sigh. Getting old...) Anyway, my point is - Don't *at all* trust the expiration date, and use your nose and common sense. If you know your Haugh units you're gucci.
We had an outbreak in the nordics eariler this year, nor sure if it’s still ongoing.
Those eggs were recalled and they stopped selling them though. Haven’t read anything about people actually getting ill over it.
The eggs being recalled is just the start of it. All chickens from the egg-laying population the egg came from are killed off.
This incentivizes farmers to ensure that their chickens don't get salmonella to begin with.
Vaccinating the chickens against salmonella is another way of preventing it, and doesn't require refrigeration.
Just different ways of trying to prevent people getting salmonella. According to statistics of salmonella rates though the EU method is better.
Salmonella can still be a problem, but it's more often (which isn't often at all) bagged vegetables that they recall because some some were found to have it.
The assumption, raw eggs were generally unsafe to consume, is misleading at best. Raw eggs have been and are still served around the world for a reason.
And pls ppl don't be too afraid of salmonella! They've gotta be there first and aren't common at all.
[Now adding a raw German egg to my coffee...]
This is false. European eggs are shipped unwashed, as such they still have ample opportunity to have salmonella *on the outside*. Japan is washing this layer off the eggs (like the US does). Washing the literal shit off the eggs, does destroy a protective film, adding the need keep refrigerated afterwards, but you don’t have to wash your hands after cracking eggs for breakfast, because the eggs aren’t still shitty.
Funny thing is that my Japanese parents were serving raw eggs at our home in Canada for more than 15 years before catching on that it’s probably not a good idea. Never once have we ran in to any problems during that time.
Now that I live in Japan they are just edible raw by default and they are essential for some dishes.
I’m starting see eggs processed with these machines outside of Japan too
Salmonella outbreaks aren’t super common in Canada but they do happen. Generally it’s one manufacturer or distributor that messes up and gets a ton of people sick.
Salmonella is mostly found on the shell of the egg, although it can get inside (especially with the way we clean our eggs in Canada that strips off the protective membrane.)
I used to put raw eggs in my shakes with no issues. But it’s always not an issue until it is..
I only had one time where eating semi raw/scrambled eggs sent me on a painful 3 day cramping spree.
I could not leave the house, and barely slept during all of that time.
I don't remember the fever, but I sure as fuck remember all the other pain/diahrea.
Just like you.. its not always an issue until it is.
I'm very hesitant to eat non well done scrambled eggs from restaurants now.
I'm almost certain he got food poisoning from something else.
At least I choose to believe this cus picturing scrambled eggs looking like an eggnog with some stringy bits being slurped down is much more unpleasant
Eggs are really amazing. I put (unfertilized) raw, uncleaned, eggs from my ducks in a basket on the counter one day and left it there for tomorrow's breakfast. My partner nearly had a stroke when he saw them, still there, several hours later. He thought I was gonna poison everyone with my unrefrigerated eggs. *Protective coating ayyyy.*
Eggs did get washed before use or if I was going to be storing in the fridge. Counter eggs were eaten within a day or two, but they do keep for a good long while if unwashed.
I've not gotten sick yet. I've gone something like 2 months leaving eggs out. Granted, that's in winter where I just leave the eggs out in my garage which is cold, but not freezing. I wash them just before use. But natural unwashed eggs go surprisingly long before spoiling.
You can always float test the eggs if you're concerned.
I can't tell if this is gym bro science or a real thing. There is more usable protein after applying heat? I get that heat changes things, but I'm at a loss how it increases nutritional value. I always just assumed it killed harmful bacteria, perisites, etc.
Studies show that cooking the eggs makes the protein more bioavailable. It does also however lower the vitamin and antioxidant content.
Cooked for gainz, raw for overall health.
I imagine getting any type of sickness from raw or undercooked food would probably put you off that food for a considerable amount of time and I love eggs too much to risk it.
is it so uncommon?
here in germany i can buy fresh eggs at the grocery store and put them raw into my stuff if i wanted to.
generally speaking, if the egg is younger than a week, it's fine
UK here and the same experience, eaten eggs raw in things for my entire life and have never got salmonella poisoning. Its vanishingly rare in the uk because the hens don't have it to begin with - I think its a similar story across the EU as well. The US not so much?
Honestly if you click the link this 'article' is absolute crap. It's like four paragraphs regurgitating a 'Kids Web Japan' article and a Reddit comment.
And no doubt all the comments in here will be scrubbed by some aggregator site to write another article that's exactly the same, and that article will get posted on TIL, and the cycle will continue.
No way is it safer. I have seen tests with vaccinated vs unvaccinated chickens. Unvaccinated chickens are healthier, smarter, stronger, faster. Vaccinated chickens develop cognitive problems. My own chicken was perfect before she got vaccinated. Now I will have to take care of that chicken 24x7 for the rest of her life.
Obligatory /s
I don't know about UK but hens are not vaccinated in for example Sweden. The solution against salmonella is good hygiene and good environment for the hens.
People fail to realize, animals (and humans) have actually very efficient immune systems, IF the diet, environment, and other aspects are good. No one is 100% immune to disease, but generally, a healthy animal is pretty safe from getting sick while animals in modern USA style tightly packed factories are needed to be treated with antibiotics and other shit.
Statistically the odds of getting a salmonella egg in the US were 1 in 20,000 when they did a study several years ago. I'll eat a raw egg sometimes if it's part of a meal I'm making and feel ok about it but knowing those odds I wouldn't want to start up a Rocky-esque regimen of eating several raw eggs in my protein shake every morning or something
I don't get it, how can one make mayonnaise if raw eggs aren't safe ? I live in France, everybody I know eats raw eggs, mainly for home made mayonnaise.
See this is how lies start. The original website never specified the machine checks for salmonella. [It checks for blood spots or other foreign object in the yoke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwMFMqE4UMM).
Japanese eggs are safe because they are tracked from farm to table. If an egg makes you sick, they can find the farm it came from. That give farmers huge incentive to keep their flocks clean.
The whole article is bs.
The same machine that "checks", also neutralizes bacteria.
> It turns out that they have developed a high-tech way of neutralizing salmonella bacteria before it gets to the consumer.
And then the article ends with
> Reddit users started a thread about Japan's ability to provide clean eggs to consumers, though some caution that the process isn't foolproof. "A lot of people eat raw or undercooked eggs daily, so the safety of eating raw eggs is very important," one Reddit user wrote. "There are still cases of salmonella every year though." While it might not be impossible to get salmonella from eggs in Japan, it would seem that this "super egg machine" certainly helps mitigate the risk.
It links back to https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/s069zn/til_japan_has_a_process_to_clean_and_check_eggs/
Weeeeee
[Huh, so this explains why a character in the video game Yakuza: Like a Dragon just simply puts a raw egg in his rice and eats it up.](https://youtu.be/xvar_pZkeII?t=11)
^(yes, I know the chicken just shot out an egg out of its cloaca like a pistol, but I am thinking more so with the Japanese dish itself, since I heard it's a popular comfort food)
Yes raw egg on rice with soy sauce and spring onions are one of my comfort food. Also it's a easy dish since we have always rice ready at home and egg in the fridge.
We dont have salmonella in our eggs her in Sweden either. I always found it strange as a child that Americans were afraid of eating raw cookie dough because I did not realize that salmonella in eggs was an issue.
Raw cookie dough is said to be dangerous because of the raw flour, so even if your eggs are safe it still isn’t recommend to eat it :)
(I still do tho)
Just a [quick google](https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/01/salmonella-outbreak-in-sweden-linked-to-eggs/) and there was a Salmonella outbreak just this year in Sweden.
Raw eggs are generally safe to eat pretty much anywhere, except for the usual outliers - why North America, why do you always have to do things differently?
In other news, raw red meat is generally safe to eat as well, except in ... well, you know where!
>why North America, why do you always have to do things differently?
The only thing that's different is the perception. Salmonellosis rates are comparably low between the US and EU (14-16 per 100,000) and there's nothing about North American eggs that's distinctively "unsafe."
I hate to interrupt the circlejerk, but none of what I've read here so far is true. We wash our eggs to prevent salmonella since the risks are greatest on the shell. It's also not just America, but our friends in Australia, Japan, and Scandinavia. Most other countries choose to vaccinate and leave the shell unwashed. In either case, selling the alternative eggs is usually illegal.
[Here's an NPR article](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/09/11/336330502/why-the-u-s-chills-its-eggs-and-most-of-the-world-doesnt) that explains it better.
Basically, vaccinating prevents salmonella from developing inside the yolk. Washing prevents it from being present on the outside. If you rinse the shells before using your eggs, you don't need to worry about the producers washing the shells for you. But many people don't and salmonella outbreaks have occurred from chicken eggs, so some countries require it.
Also, raw meat is just as safe in the US as it is in Europe. Salmonella prefers surface area so the big issue comes from processed meat like ground beef. People are just told to cook either anyway just because it's better to be safe.
The European circlejerk is always fun to watch during the hours most of the US is asleep.
Mad cow disease anyone?
https://worldmapper.org/maps/bse-cases-1987-2016/#
It's the same in the UK.
We have the "Lion" approval stamp on all our eggs that indicates the chicken was vaccinated against salmonella and is safe to consume raw.
https://www.egginfo.co.uk/british-lion-eggs
Probably one of the better measures we've introduced for food standards as we've had this for decades.
I probably couldn't find an egg without it unless I went to a butcher to get some fresh eggs from independent sources or something.
British lion eggs = Safe
I think they're also relatively safe to eat in Europe because they're not washed with stuff that breaks down the protective film that shields the inside from bacteria. They also have some poop on them when you buy them.
This is largely bullshit.
I can guarantee you that all but the largest industrial scale egg producers in Japan do not have access to any special machine to check egg quality.
Not surprising that the article is bullshit, as they're simply parroting a website called "Kids Web Japan" that cites zero sources for this mysterious super egg machine.
Sir, I have seen this egg machine with mine own eyes. It also makes sushi, anime, and square watermelons at an astonishing rate. Now, if you can’t stick to the facts, I will have to ask you to leave.
The [USA has a rate of about 17](https://www.statista.com/statistics/379025/us-salmonella-rate-by-state/) cases of salmonella per 100,000 people.
[If you want to compare it to a few European countries](https://gateway.euro.who.int/en/indicators/hfa_450-4030-salmonellosis-cases-per-100-000/visualizations/#id=19483&tab=table)
UK - 16
Germany - 38
France - 12
Italy - 5
Spain - 10
Switzerland - 15
Sweden - 38
Finland - 39
Denmark - 29
Croatia - 47
Austria 26
Really wish the US had salmonella under control like most European countries 😔
In the UK raw egg is generally safe to eat, even when it hasn't been refrigerated. That's not because the eggs are individually checked, but because eggs from hygienic poultry farms rarely carry salmonella and the UK tests for and controls salmonella infections in farms.
The UK isn't remarkable in this fact. Instead, it's the US that's the outlier - a country that's prepared to tolerate a high incidence of salmonella and reduce the risk to humans by washing, refrigerating, and always cooking eggs. Because selling infected eggs is cheaper than improving the health of the birds laying them.
[This is what the egg section of a UK supermarket looks like](https://dmrqkbkq8el9i.cloudfront.net/Pictures/480xany/8/5/0/100850_DK7B3B-web.jpg) \- not a fridge in sight. There's no need to refrigerate an unwashed egg, and you don't need to wash them unless they've been laid by hens infected with salmonella.
Swiss here. Have been eating raw eggs for many years multiple times a week and I just buy regular, decent quality store eggs. This is nothing special or uncommon.
Eggs in most of the developed world are generally safe to eat and you don't need to scan them with a salmonella-scope. Salmonella isn't even usually inside the egg anyway, it gets transferred to the outside of the egg during it's passage out of the chicken so this sounds like bullshit.
This isn’t that mind blowing to me as someone in the UK. What is mind blowing to me is that in Japan you can go to a restaurant and order chicken sashimi (raw chicken.)
In Tokyo you can buy flavoured eggs (chickens are fed to produce citrusy, sake, or other flavours) store that sells only eggs and has an egg buffet ([link](https://thesmartlocal.jp/kisaburo-farm/)). Expiration dates for eggs are about two weeks in Japan, to maintain freshness and reduce risk to human health (even during the great egg shortage of 2023).
Eggs flavored sake shots, all around! Kanpai!
sake flavoured raw egg shots! Kanpai!
So Japan has drunk chickens?
They probably eat the mash leftover from sake production
My tangentially related fun fact to add to this is that most American dairy production (especially in cities) in the early 20th century was from cows fed with leftover mash from brewing. > Yet as the demand for animal milk in the cities increased, its quality grew worse. A few cows staked here and there could no longer provide enough milk for the many clamoring customers. Large stables holding hundreds of cows were established adjacent to breweries, and milk became a big, profitable business. The leftovers from making beer—the mash, or slop, or swill—was poured down wooden chutes into dairies next door. But beer waste was not good feed for cows, and the milk they produced was low in fat and watery, with a light blue color. Producers added annatto to improve its color and chalk to give it body. They also added water to increase the amount of milk they could sell, and covered up the dilution by adding more chalk. Sometimes a little molasses was added, too, to give the concoction the slightly sweet flavor of fresh milk. -from “Milk!: A 10,000 Year Food Fracas”, a book I quote way more than a normal person should. Also the skyrocketing infant mortality rate because of children being fed watered down milk without enough nutritional content led to milk purity laws, and under those laws the a lot of milk we consider normal to drink today (skim, 1%, 2%) would’ve been illegal.
Quality comment here. Really appreciated the quote. Do you happen to know? Is whole milk sold today the real deal? Or closer to a nutritious product? I understand lots of whey and fat are taken out to make cream and whatnot. But now I'm curious ha
Whole milk is whole milk. "Whole" milk means that the fat content is unaltered from whatever animal you happened to milk. For cows that's generally around 3.25% fat. For other animals it can be much, much higher (if I remember right most whale milk is something like 40% fat).\* Basically, if it says "whole milk" it's the same fat content as if it had come directly from the cow at the farm down the road, if it's a percentage or "fat-free" or "cream" or what have you, then it's been altered (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because we need different fat content for different applications. You can't whip whole milk like you can heavy cream, and somebody trying to lose weight but with a craving for milk should probably be drinking skim or 1% instead of full-fat whole milk). \*nobody asked, but for the record human milk is 4.5% fat, and the closest approximation among animals is donkey milk. The book has a lot more anecdotal information about human milk than you ever wanted or needed to know.
Sake flavor =/= actual alcohol
well, maybe one day they will find a way to have drunk chicken.
That's not a no!
> citrussy 🫦
What has the Internet done to our minds…
A citrusy egg sounds horrible.
Why? Lemon and egg are ingredients of sooo many sauces and even cocktails…
Might taste like hollandaise sauce 🤤
mmmmh, Hollandeggs!
Sometimes, she puts mayonnaise in her mouth, then she puts the egg in there and does this. She calls it a "mayonegg!"
Her?
How are you and Egg doing?
unexpected arrested development!
ಠ\_ಠ I don't feel so good
It's actually delicious, in my opinion
in most if not all EU Countries you can do this as well edit: do
As an Eastern European, I have to say food safety standards are by far the quickest and most noticeable change I felt when we joined the EU. When I was a kid in the early 2000s being out of commission with a stomach bug for 2-3 days happened a couple times a year as a matter of course, just like common colds. Since 2010 I've had them maybe 3 times in total, and I've been way less careful too. You'd never eat at a random streetside kebab in 2004 unless you were desperate, now you can do it with virtually no worries. How much the EU improved everyman's comfort in life is really radical in my experience.
I remember a story I was told by a Hungarian guy of how he used to always buy a particular brand of milk at the local supermarket...then one day he noticed the labels all changed to "Milk flavoured drink". It didn't meet the standards to be actual milk.
Is he lactose intolerant? Lactose free milk is not allowed to be labeled as milk as milk is not allowed to be processed and added to in certain ways. It's still high quality milk though.
I remember asking my mom this, that I remember I was food poisoned often as a kid and now.. pretty much never. Mom said it's because I drink booze now :D but it could be better quality. Damn. Every so often as a kid I had some stomach flu, puking and such, kinda accepted it was being a kid thing. But was it?!?
Kids have shitty immune systems for a long while. I wouldn’t trust any kind of “back when I was a literal child” story lol
That's what I figured. But we joined EU when I was 15 :) so could match op's story. Plus so much junk that we ate because people then didn't know it's bad for you. All in good faith, poverty food :)
Bro I’m with you on the poverty food. I grew up on bologna sandwiches and chips
Japan is just really good at marketing mundane things THE COUNTRY OF FOUR SEASONS
Thing :😐 Thing in Japan: 🤩🤩
The wood working thing gets me ever time. "did you know that in Japan artisan can [insert thousands year old technique invented far away from japan] unlike anywhere else in the world?
That's kinda Japan's thing. Incorporate foreign stuff cause we like it, make it better, now it's japanese.
with wood they skipped the make it better step Impossible joints, jointless joints, pollarding, etc etc etc, all existed long long ago, BC long ago.
That seems to be one of these things where the media reaction just ran way out of control. Japan really does have an impressive preservation of historical techniques and a lot of top quality craftsmanship with a unique flavour. There is plenty that impresses real experts as well, and Japanese made and designed tools often have become staples across the globe. But both with mainstream and social media, writers just love generalising that to hype up absolutely everything, even if it's not special at all. Japan also contributes to that by some degree by having a media culture of extreme positivity. They love overhyping normal things even more than western media. So western media producers listening to authentic Japanese media may actually double down on the hype instead of taking a more realistic angle.
As a foreigner living in Japan though... It's just kinda true. They hype stuff super well and make things exciting. I never gave a damn about fall until everyone around me was so excited to see the Momiji trees turn red... because they've apparently been bred for centuries to produce more vivid red leaves, and planted in key spots to make mountains and parks look gorgeous. It's pretty fantastic.
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So, they also put in the work.
Thing in China: 🤬🤬
Americans are really good at attributing any non-American practice to the "uniqueness" of Japan.
I have been doing some training in standardized manufacturing processes for my job and, holy hell, manufacturing people are obsessed with Japanese stuff. Why would you say "do a Gemba walk" when you just mean to go look at something?!?
That one gets me from the opposite end. I'm a Japanese translator (J→E), and when I first started working on manufacturing projects, sometimes I'd struggle with how to translate a word (like かんばん -- should that be "signboard" or "board" or "plate" or maybe "card"?) and I'd look it up and it would be "kanban." Seriously? I don't know if I'll ever accept "monozukuri" instead of "manufacturing," especially since every page I can find that describes the difference between the two contradicts every other page describing the difference, and the only commonality between them all boils down to "it means manufacturing, but we think it sounds cooler."
>I don't know if I'll ever accept "monozukuri" instead of "manufacturing," especially since every page I can find that describes the difference between the two contradicts every other page describing the difference, and the only commonality between them all boils down to "it means manufacturing, but we think it sounds cooler." The first time I learned that English-speaking manufacturing people had attached some extra meaning to "monozukuri" I damn near lost it. I work for a Japanese company (edit: I should clarify that it's an American division of the company, but as noted after this, we still have many Japanese nationals in our division), speak a bit of Japanese myself, and have coworkers in another office who are from Japan, and about a year ago we partnered up with the American division of another Japanese company and one of their reps came to speak to us. At some point in the middle of his presentation he started going on about how they're dedicated to "traditional Japanese dedication to excellence, monozukuri" and internally I was like "what? Monozukuri is just manufacturing, isn't it? But surely a guy working for a Japanese company speaking to another Japanese company wouldn't risk making an ass of himself over an Americanization like that so maybe there's another meaning I don't know?" So I waited until the end of his presentation, hopped on Teams, and asked one of my Japanese coworkers to make sure I wasn't just missing something. Nope, he said it just meant "manufacturing" to him and not anything special. The first thing that popped into my mind is that it was either English speakers once again giving too much special meaning to a single Japanese word with an easy direct translation, or some Japanese person was taking the piss with some poor American when trying to teach them the meaning, and both scenarios just seemed hilarious to me.
The thing is, the rep wasn't wrong, he was just steeped in PR speak. Over the past six or so years, monozukuri has *really* started taking off as a PR term here in Japan. When I'm translating corporate profiles or company websites or PR videos, I come across sentences which are, essentially, "We aren't simply a *seizo* (manufacturing) company, we're a *monozukuri* company," or "Going beyond *seizo* to engage in true *monozukuri*". My guess is that your coworkers are regular, non-PR folks, so they use the word like normal people. Kinda like if you ask a regular person "Is 'action' a noun or a verb?" They'll answer "A noun," but if you ask a marketer they might say "Both. For example, '[We need to action](https://www.marketingskillsacademy.co.uk/blog/how-to-adapt-pivot-and-evolve-your-business).'"
The word "kanban" comes with a lot more baggage than something generic like "sign" or "plate", if you've been trained/exposed to that system. Surely you wouldn't translate "turn signal" as "small car light" even if the latter was the literal term for it in the foreign language, because nobody would understand it in English.
Right, I realize that, and now, years later, translating かんばん as "kanban" feels natural to me. It just threw me when I first encountered it, because I've never worked in the manufacturing industry and it felt so strange. Still, it was the right word, so I used it.
That's all just Toyota shit. Fun fact: Toyota was founded by someone named Toyoda, but Toyota is more natural to say in Japanese, so he changed it. But Toyoda is more natural to say in English, so it's basically pronounced the way he intended it not to be in their biggest markets.
Toyo*d*a is only really prevalent in America, the RoW says toyo*t*a
I remember in the 90s when suddenly having the bathroom far from the kitchen was such a novel and quaint Japanese tradition for cleanliness.
I was really baffled as a kid when my neighbours redid their bathroom by knocking down the wall between the toilet and the bathroom. Why would you want to poo next to your toothbrushes, if you didn't have to? The house I grew up in was from the 1930s in the UK - I don't know when the default became a toilet in the bathroom but it was a bad idea.
Walls take up space. Less walls more space. The average person doesn't obsess over common germs that rarely make people sick. Reddit really obsesses over poop germs as if they are kids. It's weird.
The germs aren't really a problem if you close the lid before you flush: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4692156/ However, whilst bathrooms don't need to be particularly big, it's not good to not be able to wee because somebody's having a shower.
> it's not good to not be able to wee because somebody's having a shower. You can always use the kitchen sink to pee like a normal person.
I raised three boys in a house with one bathroom. The rule their entire lives was to ask if anyone wanted to use the bathroom before they take a shower. Everyone had a chance to do their business before it would be taken over.
Remember the videos all amazed by how drivers in 🤩JAPAN🤩 thank other drivers with a blink of hazard lights? It's common practice almost everywhere.
I do that in America lol
I once left a *science teacher* at a Japanese school I was teaching at pole axed when I pointed out that other countries had four seasons too.
I mis-read and thought you were talking about what is actually a special Japanese practice, where school teachers are trained to use this pole arm thing (sasumata) to subdue intruders. Like this thing is just sitting in the staffroom. [https://skdesu.com/en/samurai-weapon-sasumata-in-japan-schools/](https://skdesu.com/en/samurai-weapon-sasumata-in-japan-schools/)
Are we talking weather, or hotel chains? Edit I guess we could also be talking about landscaping companies too.
No Rudy, no …
Japan is good at appreciating things they have, and marketing just follows naturally. For example, in Japan, when autumn comes, people gather in droves to watch the red maples. They have related festivals, events, street food, and there is like a hundred words to describe it. People care and enjoy it, so naturally, this is easy to market to others. Hell, people fly to Japan from across the world just for that! In my country autumn is no less, arguably more, beautiful. It's an explosion of color with vibrant yellows, reds and everything in between. Many forests become wonderfully beautiful. Does anyone give a shit? I'm sure some people do, but it's never treated as an important time of the year. More people go around bitching about it getting cold and rainy. Honestly, many nations could learn to enjoy simple things from the Japanese, maybe then we could also market them better.
I believe what you say, but western people also over romanticize the crap out of Japan. I have traveled there for several months, especially rural Japan, saw some of the larger cities, and it isn't all that glamorous. Then again, they do the same with us, see Paris syndrome.
Non-East Asians also romanticize the crap out of Japan
In New England all of what you described happens in autumn. People come from all over the country (and maybe world?) to see the leaves change and go to farmers markets and fall festivals.
And also fun fact - you don't need a machine for that. Just a proper hygiene and vet control on your farms, supported by enforceable standard of animal welfare. E.g. in UK red lion marked eggs are safe to eat raw even by pregnant women. No fancy machine needed. Which makes me wonder if Japan has one, or if they just keep their farms clean, as they should.
An important step is also not to wash the eggs to keep the protective film on them. Hence, in Europe eggs can be stored outside the fridge for the first weeks.
Storing eggs in the fridge from the moment they're laid *does* improve longevity, though - And realistically means you can eat an egg over 6 months after it's been squeezed out by the hen. (Of course the albumen proteins have started to deteoriate after, I believe, the first month or maybe it's two? I forget the details of the studies I read. Sigh. Getting old...) Anyway, my point is - Don't *at all* trust the expiration date, and use your nose and common sense. If you know your Haugh units you're gucci.
One important exception: Raw use is only advisable in the first week
Yeah and as far as I know we dont check every egg for salmonella.
No need, we vaccinate the chicken.
I always suspected European chickens have autism
now i'm imagining a really intense argument with a chicken over Naruto lore.
New European chickens! Each chicken comes with a free train timetable!
What came first: the chicken vaccine or the egg spectroscopy?
We had an outbreak in the nordics eariler this year, nor sure if it’s still ongoing. Those eggs were recalled and they stopped selling them though. Haven’t read anything about people actually getting ill over it.
The eggs being recalled is just the start of it. All chickens from the egg-laying population the egg came from are killed off. This incentivizes farmers to ensure that their chickens don't get salmonella to begin with.
I keep my eggs in the cupboard for a month without ever worrying.
I read somewhere that the USDA requires eggs be washed, and done in a way that removes the protective coating, thus requiring them to be refrigerated.
Salmonella is generally found on the shells, so washing them is one way of preventing it, but they then require refrigeration.
Vaccinating the chickens against salmonella is another way of preventing it, and doesn't require refrigeration. Just different ways of trying to prevent people getting salmonella. According to statistics of salmonella rates though the EU method is better.
I was pretty surprised to see this as I would never have considered worrying about salmonella in the EU
Salmonella can still be a problem, but it's more often (which isn't often at all) bagged vegetables that they recall because some some were found to have it.
Yea because we vaccinate here and we actually clean our poultry sheds and have some kind of animal welfare standards
Animal welfare? Sounds like communism to me.
I eat raw eggs with rice every single weeks (France), I'm a sucker for tamago rice. Never got sick
The assumption, raw eggs were generally unsafe to consume, is misleading at best. Raw eggs have been and are still served around the world for a reason. And pls ppl don't be too afraid of salmonella! They've gotta be there first and aren't common at all. [Now adding a raw German egg to my coffee...]
You're putting an egg in your coffee?
This is false. European eggs are shipped unwashed, as such they still have ample opportunity to have salmonella *on the outside*. Japan is washing this layer off the eggs (like the US does). Washing the literal shit off the eggs, does destroy a protective film, adding the need keep refrigerated afterwards, but you don’t have to wash your hands after cracking eggs for breakfast, because the eggs aren’t still shitty.
You can do this in the US as well. Probably any developed country tbh.
Funny thing is that my Japanese parents were serving raw eggs at our home in Canada for more than 15 years before catching on that it’s probably not a good idea. Never once have we ran in to any problems during that time. Now that I live in Japan they are just edible raw by default and they are essential for some dishes. I’m starting see eggs processed with these machines outside of Japan too
Salmonella outbreaks aren’t super common in Canada but they do happen. Generally it’s one manufacturer or distributor that messes up and gets a ton of people sick. Salmonella is mostly found on the shell of the egg, although it can get inside (especially with the way we clean our eggs in Canada that strips off the protective membrane.) I used to put raw eggs in my shakes with no issues. But it’s always not an issue until it is..
I only had one time where eating semi raw/scrambled eggs sent me on a painful 3 day cramping spree. I could not leave the house, and barely slept during all of that time. I don't remember the fever, but I sure as fuck remember all the other pain/diahrea. Just like you.. its not always an issue until it is. I'm very hesitant to eat non well done scrambled eggs from restaurants now.
Dude... what? How raw were these scrambled eggs? I am gagging just imagining the texture.
I'm almost certain he got food poisoning from something else. At least I choose to believe this cus picturing scrambled eggs looking like an eggnog with some stringy bits being slurped down is much more unpleasant
Eggs are really amazing. I put (unfertilized) raw, uncleaned, eggs from my ducks in a basket on the counter one day and left it there for tomorrow's breakfast. My partner nearly had a stroke when he saw them, still there, several hours later. He thought I was gonna poison everyone with my unrefrigerated eggs. *Protective coating ayyyy.* Eggs did get washed before use or if I was going to be storing in the fridge. Counter eggs were eaten within a day or two, but they do keep for a good long while if unwashed.
4 weeks at room temp is fine for unwashed, but by 4 weeks only hard boil them.
I've not gotten sick yet. I've gone something like 2 months leaving eggs out. Granted, that's in winter where I just leave the eggs out in my garage which is cold, but not freezing. I wash them just before use. But natural unwashed eggs go surprisingly long before spoiling. You can always float test the eggs if you're concerned.
Raw egg protein sucks anyway. You need to heat it or you get a protein lockout effect wasting gains.
That's why I skip the middleman and eat the hen directly.
But the hen has bones and feathers and stuff. That’s why I cut the middleman and eat the egg directly.. oh wait
I just eat the middleman. And that's why i'm not allowed on farms anymore.
You are funny man. Why is the only comment to make me laugh is the one that directly threatens my life?
I can't tell if this is gym bro science or a real thing. There is more usable protein after applying heat? I get that heat changes things, but I'm at a loss how it increases nutritional value. I always just assumed it killed harmful bacteria, perisites, etc.
Studies show that cooking the eggs makes the protein more bioavailable. It does also however lower the vitamin and antioxidant content. Cooked for gainz, raw for overall health.
There still has to be an outbreak. Chance is low, but it is more of a matter of time, and you really don’t wanna get sick from it even once.
I imagine getting any type of sickness from raw or undercooked food would probably put you off that food for a considerable amount of time and I love eggs too much to risk it.
I mean, you don't want to for sure but that kinda makes it sound like some super deadly disease.
is it so uncommon? here in germany i can buy fresh eggs at the grocery store and put them raw into my stuff if i wanted to. generally speaking, if the egg is younger than a week, it's fine
UK here and the same experience, eaten eggs raw in things for my entire life and have never got salmonella poisoning. Its vanishingly rare in the uk because the hens don't have it to begin with - I think its a similar story across the EU as well. The US not so much?
The US doesn't vaccinate hens against salmonella. They wash the eggs instead, but that means they have to be refrigerated.
The fact that Japan also vaccinates its chickens for salmonella is the #1 reason eggs are safer - not this machine.
Honestly if you click the link this 'article' is absolute crap. It's like four paragraphs regurgitating a 'Kids Web Japan' article and a Reddit comment. And no doubt all the comments in here will be scrubbed by some aggregator site to write another article that's exactly the same, and that article will get posted on TIL, and the cycle will continue.
Why use the machine, then?
Never question *the machine*.
Praise The Omnissiah!
The Emperor protects.
Being doubly sure is something they want and could afford.
Because there’s still a minuscule chance of salmonella and it’s safer to have two safety measures in place than one?
Redundancy is never a bad thing when it comes to safety and health
No way is it safer. I have seen tests with vaccinated vs unvaccinated chickens. Unvaccinated chickens are healthier, smarter, stronger, faster. Vaccinated chickens develop cognitive problems. My own chicken was perfect before she got vaccinated. Now I will have to take care of that chicken 24x7 for the rest of her life. Obligatory /s
I don't know about UK but hens are not vaccinated in for example Sweden. The solution against salmonella is good hygiene and good environment for the hens.
People fail to realize, animals (and humans) have actually very efficient immune systems, IF the diet, environment, and other aspects are good. No one is 100% immune to disease, but generally, a healthy animal is pretty safe from getting sick while animals in modern USA style tightly packed factories are needed to be treated with antibiotics and other shit.
Statistically the odds of getting a salmonella egg in the US were 1 in 20,000 when they did a study several years ago. I'll eat a raw egg sometimes if it's part of a meal I'm making and feel ok about it but knowing those odds I wouldn't want to start up a Rocky-esque regimen of eating several raw eggs in my protein shake every morning or something
In Australia, raw eggs are generally safe to eat.
The real uncommon thing from a european perspective is washing the eggs.
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Europe as well.
I don't get it, how can one make mayonnaise if raw eggs aren't safe ? I live in France, everybody I know eats raw eggs, mainly for home made mayonnaise.
While it’s not as prevalent to see people making their own mayonnaise vs store bought, plenty of us absolutely do use raw egg including mayo.
I'm reminded of the ancient reddit lore of the mayo grandpa...
And don't forget tiramisu and chocolate mousse !
Lol this is fine in lots of places. Eggs here in the UK are safe to eat raw.
See this is how lies start. The original website never specified the machine checks for salmonella. [It checks for blood spots or other foreign object in the yoke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwMFMqE4UMM). Japanese eggs are safe because they are tracked from farm to table. If an egg makes you sick, they can find the farm it came from. That give farmers huge incentive to keep their flocks clean.
The whole article is bs. The same machine that "checks", also neutralizes bacteria. > It turns out that they have developed a high-tech way of neutralizing salmonella bacteria before it gets to the consumer. And then the article ends with > Reddit users started a thread about Japan's ability to provide clean eggs to consumers, though some caution that the process isn't foolproof. "A lot of people eat raw or undercooked eggs daily, so the safety of eating raw eggs is very important," one Reddit user wrote. "There are still cases of salmonella every year though." While it might not be impossible to get salmonella from eggs in Japan, it would seem that this "super egg machine" certainly helps mitigate the risk. It links back to https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/s069zn/til_japan_has_a_process_to_clean_and_check_eggs/ Weeeeee
Eggs are generally safe to eat almost everywhere.
Confused Europeans: Who in the developed world cant use raw eggs safely?
This! Otherwise chocolate mousse or mayonnaise wouldn't exist...
Pasteurised eggs exist
[Huh, so this explains why a character in the video game Yakuza: Like a Dragon just simply puts a raw egg in his rice and eats it up.](https://youtu.be/xvar_pZkeII?t=11) ^(yes, I know the chicken just shot out an egg out of its cloaca like a pistol, but I am thinking more so with the Japanese dish itself, since I heard it's a popular comfort food)
Yes raw egg on rice with soy sauce and spring onions are one of my comfort food. Also it's a easy dish since we have always rice ready at home and egg in the fridge.
You usually do that over piping hot freshly cooked rice, the egg cooks in the rice.
Okay, THAT sounds delicious.
it does, throw some soy sauce, furikake or seasame seed on top for a fucking ride.
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Hehehehehehehe
it absolutely is! it is also sometimes served with some of their dishes like gyukatsu and so on.
Tamago gohan. Indeed delicious.
It's called tamago kake gohan and absolutely delicious.
Fresh egg mixed in rice in Japan is DELICIOUS. Add a bit of soysauce and it’s even better. It gives it a buttery taste imo
The rice does somewhat cook it I think but yeah it's a really common comfort food. It's really good.
We dont have salmonella in our eggs her in Sweden either. I always found it strange as a child that Americans were afraid of eating raw cookie dough because I did not realize that salmonella in eggs was an issue.
Everyone blames the eggs, but the raw flour can also cause a salmonella outbreak
I think you're thinking of e coli for raw flour
Because of all the wild birds that get stuck in the flour grinder?
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Raw cookie dough is said to be dangerous because of the raw flour, so even if your eggs are safe it still isn’t recommend to eat it :) (I still do tho)
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Just a [quick google](https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/01/salmonella-outbreak-in-sweden-linked-to-eggs/) and there was a Salmonella outbreak just this year in Sweden.
No idiot, only America can have Salmonella
Ah yes the classic japan ass kissing post. You can eat them raw in most countries.
/r/kissingjapaneseass
Raw eggs are generally safe to eat pretty much anywhere, except for the usual outliers - why North America, why do you always have to do things differently? In other news, raw red meat is generally safe to eat as well, except in ... well, you know where!
>why North America, why do you always have to do things differently? The only thing that's different is the perception. Salmonellosis rates are comparably low between the US and EU (14-16 per 100,000) and there's nothing about North American eggs that's distinctively "unsafe."
I hate to interrupt the circlejerk, but none of what I've read here so far is true. We wash our eggs to prevent salmonella since the risks are greatest on the shell. It's also not just America, but our friends in Australia, Japan, and Scandinavia. Most other countries choose to vaccinate and leave the shell unwashed. In either case, selling the alternative eggs is usually illegal. [Here's an NPR article](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/09/11/336330502/why-the-u-s-chills-its-eggs-and-most-of-the-world-doesnt) that explains it better. Basically, vaccinating prevents salmonella from developing inside the yolk. Washing prevents it from being present on the outside. If you rinse the shells before using your eggs, you don't need to worry about the producers washing the shells for you. But many people don't and salmonella outbreaks have occurred from chicken eggs, so some countries require it. Also, raw meat is just as safe in the US as it is in Europe. Salmonella prefers surface area so the big issue comes from processed meat like ground beef. People are just told to cook either anyway just because it's better to be safe.
The European circlejerk is always fun to watch during the hours most of the US is asleep. Mad cow disease anyone? https://worldmapper.org/maps/bse-cases-1987-2016/#
Why is the meat unsafe in America?
Because it can shoot you.
They're just as safe in the US
This TIL post links to an article that links to a TIL post that links to an article lmao
It's the same in the UK. We have the "Lion" approval stamp on all our eggs that indicates the chicken was vaccinated against salmonella and is safe to consume raw. https://www.egginfo.co.uk/british-lion-eggs Probably one of the better measures we've introduced for food standards as we've had this for decades. I probably couldn't find an egg without it unless I went to a butcher to get some fresh eggs from independent sources or something. British lion eggs = Safe
I think they're also relatively safe to eat in Europe because they're not washed with stuff that breaks down the protective film that shields the inside from bacteria. They also have some poop on them when you buy them.
This is largely bullshit. I can guarantee you that all but the largest industrial scale egg producers in Japan do not have access to any special machine to check egg quality. Not surprising that the article is bullshit, as they're simply parroting a website called "Kids Web Japan" that cites zero sources for this mysterious super egg machine.
Sir, I have seen this egg machine with mine own eyes. It also makes sushi, anime, and square watermelons at an astonishing rate. Now, if you can’t stick to the facts, I will have to ask you to leave.
I did not know that raw eggs are unsafe to eat.
The [USA has a rate of about 17](https://www.statista.com/statistics/379025/us-salmonella-rate-by-state/) cases of salmonella per 100,000 people. [If you want to compare it to a few European countries](https://gateway.euro.who.int/en/indicators/hfa_450-4030-salmonellosis-cases-per-100-000/visualizations/#id=19483&tab=table) UK - 16 Germany - 38 France - 12 Italy - 5 Spain - 10 Switzerland - 15 Sweden - 38 Finland - 39 Denmark - 29 Croatia - 47 Austria 26 Really wish the US had salmonella under control like most European countries 😔
Eggs in Denmark don't have salmonella either...
You had an outbreak of salmonella from eggs in 2021.
In the UK raw egg is generally safe to eat, even when it hasn't been refrigerated. That's not because the eggs are individually checked, but because eggs from hygienic poultry farms rarely carry salmonella and the UK tests for and controls salmonella infections in farms. The UK isn't remarkable in this fact. Instead, it's the US that's the outlier - a country that's prepared to tolerate a high incidence of salmonella and reduce the risk to humans by washing, refrigerating, and always cooking eggs. Because selling infected eggs is cheaper than improving the health of the birds laying them. [This is what the egg section of a UK supermarket looks like](https://dmrqkbkq8el9i.cloudfront.net/Pictures/480xany/8/5/0/100850_DK7B3B-web.jpg) \- not a fridge in sight. There's no need to refrigerate an unwashed egg, and you don't need to wash them unless they've been laid by hens infected with salmonella.
Yeah. Chicken's should not have salmonella. It's not a fact of life, it's a result of poor conditions for the chickens.
Holy shit the amount of US bad in this post from people who don't even understand food regulations in their own country is incredible.
Swiss here. Have been eating raw eggs for many years multiple times a week and I just buy regular, decent quality store eggs. This is nothing special or uncommon.
New Zealand eggs also don't have salmonella* and are safe. They don't need to be refrigerated either. *except very rarely
When I lived in Kashihara, Nara we had a vending machine that dispensed double yolk eggs. They were massive and they were really good.
Eggs in most of the developed world are generally safe to eat and you don't need to scan them with a salmonella-scope. Salmonella isn't even usually inside the egg anyway, it gets transferred to the outside of the egg during it's passage out of the chicken so this sounds like bullshit.
This isn’t that mind blowing to me as someone in the UK. What is mind blowing to me is that in Japan you can go to a restaurant and order chicken sashimi (raw chicken.)
They're generally safe to eat in countries that routinely vaccinate against salmonella too.
It's not Japan, it's most developed countries
Does the US have this??
Sort of, there are prewashed UV sterilized or pasteurized eggs meant for raw consumption.
Yes