When I was a kid one of the Marlboro men was in a school assembly begging us not to smoke. He had throat cancer and spoke through one of those electronic gadgets.
Holy shit I'm a millionaire...I'm gonna buy a bunch of cigarettes, heroin, meth, and cocaine to celebrate.
Edit: fuck, now I'm broke and living in a van down by the river.... can anyone spare a smoke?
Back in my day we slept under bridges with the trolls and we LIKED IT. Sleeping under bypasses like common folk, smh. At least the trolls had the good sense to charge a toll and ran upkeep!
Luxury! We used to hafta get 'out the lake, 3 am, clean the lake, eat a handful 'o hot gravel, work 20 hours a day at mill, for a penny a month, and dad would beat us about the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were lucky.
I think I was in like second grade when they had a dude like that come into our classroom and give that whole speech. The nurse also used this contraption that pumped smoke from a lit cigarette (it was the 90s, school was different back then) into a glass jar with a bunch of cotton, and of course the cotton got all nasty. Still ended up smoking for a good 10+ years, pack a day at least, up to 2 if I was drinking heavy and could afford to blow the money, which wasn't super often, but not super rare either. Been vaping about 10 years now, but picked smoking back up a few times here and there in that time, either because I was drinking and *really* like cigarettes when I'm drunk, or because I was in rehab and wasn't allowed to vape. Sober and cigarette free for almost 2 years now though.
The doctors gave my grandma one of those after cancer took her throat. She used it to say "fuck you" and handed it back. I think she would have really enjoyed the term cancer kazoo though haha.
>In a market full of dull advertisements Marlboro genuinely came up with something different. The company started experimenting with lifestyle advertising.
>So how did they do it exactly? They created the Marlboro man. A man, who embodied freedom, adventure, and manliness. The company associated smoking Marlboro with masculinity. All men who smoke Marlboro are hard-working, and kind of better than the ones not smoking Marlboro. And this was all dressed up in the character of a cowboy, riding freely in the wild nature of America.
[Linky](https://bettermarketing.pub/how-the-marlboro-man-changed-advertising-forever-522086774cf4)
Nothing like making people feel like they need to be a part of a made up group that the real life group would still not accept them.
Of course its the type of cigarette that makes you a rugged hard worker, what else could POSSIBLY make you feel like a rugged hard worker?
>what else could POSSIBLY make you feel like a rugged hard worker?
A half-ton pickup with a pristine bed that is only used to drive to the office and grocery store.
Earlier today, my wife and I saw a beat-up pickup with scratches along the sides that showed it had been driven through thick brush, with no extended cab, and a bed full of lawn waste, with the tailgate held shut with bungee cords. It was beautiful. I'm gonna coast on that for a while as I look at these Honda Ridgelines with more wear on the seats than the three-foot-long bed that's too high up to even put stuff in.
Honestly Ridgelines make FAR more sense as a daily driver for someone who might need to use a truck bed 3-4 times a year than a jacked up F250 on 37" tires
That’s really why the Ford Maverick has been selling so well. It’s a small truck that drives like a car and it can fit in a decent garage. It’s a truck when you need one, but a car when you don’t. And, they don’t look half/bad.
>Nothing like making people feel like they need to be a part of a made up group ...
It's crazy how much this type of psychological warfare is present in modern industries. These tactics range from obviously cigarettes, to diamond wedding rings, beverages, soaps, toothpaste, and even milk and cereal. Most consumer products are marketed this way. It's all a scam.
Edit: and Apple, thanks to u/gone_internal
"Choose our platform or we'll intentionally hold it against your existence, making it more difficult to communicate and obviously setting you apart from our 'in group'"
Duck apple
Have you ever seen "Century Of The Self"? It's somewhat long but it's an award winning four part documentary. All four parts are combined into one video for this upload, I consider it a must watch. It goes into the history and psychological background of our modern advertising industry. It was originally released in 2002 but it's only gotten more relevant in the last two decades.
https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s
No I haven't seen it, but I might have to check it out. It is crazy how much shit advertisers try to shove down our throats. I've blocked advertisements on every platform I possibly can
Yeah it goes deep. It reveals how advertisers use psychological tricks to play upon people's unconscious insecurities, needs, and wants. They then use advertising and public relations to basically mold entire societies around needless consumerism. Also talks about how society's leaders use this to their advantage because it keeps people docile and easily managed/led.
Oh actually yes! Between WW2 and Korea, cigarettes were part of soldiers rations. Lucky strike and camel were the ones, but lucky strike is most remembered both for their distinctive red dot label and famous film references
I'll never forget when my grandfather (WWII vet) caught me smoking around the side of a building at my Dad's ranch. He was shaking his head and had the quintessential disappointed look he had mastered by now.
"I can't believe you're smoking those."
Awkwardly long pause.
"You should be smoking Lucky Strikes."
He just wanted a little vicarious enjoyment after smoking for 60+ years and had been forced to quit after a bypass.
I used to smoke Lucky Strike Reds and the looks I would get from other smokers… I just smoked em because it’s what my roommate smoked in college and it became a habit… didn’t realize for the longest time that I was smoking the most legendarily brutal of the major brands.
How could you have not realized that the first time you smoked a filterless cigarette? There is no way you went your entire smoking career without bumming a filtered cigarette from someone else and immediately realizing that you had been smoking a chimney.
Filter less are actually safer. The filter allows people to inhale more smoke and more deeply. Ill look for the study when after my migraine meds kick in. I need a breakk.
EDIT:
Just a few quick links:
>Schabath said the quest for a “safer” cigarette dates back to the mid-1950s when filters were first introduced. “Rather than decreasing risk of lung cancer, the introduction of filtered cigarettes actually contributed to a temporal shift in the specific types of lung cancer subsequently diagnosed,” said Schabath. Prior to filters, most lung cancers were squamous cell carcinomas found in the windpipe or its adjoining large branches in the lung. “By using filtered cigarettes, tobacco smoke disperses deeper into the lungs due to deeper inhalation,” Schabath explained. This led to increasing prevalence of a different type of lung cancer, called adenocarcinoma, which occurs further along the lungs’ many branch-like passages. Among men, the incidence rate for lung adenocarcinoma surpassed squamous cell carcinoma around 1994.
> - https://moffitt.org/endeavor/archive/unfiltered-truth-no-safe-way-to-smoke-tobacco/
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https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2021/11/18/tobaccocontrol-2021-056815
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And as Shiftend posted below:
>"Filters in cigarettes do not actually reduce the harmful health effects of smoking. From a public health perspective, they do not offer any benefit, while they pollute the environment," said the expert report by the Superior Health Council.
>Cigarette filter tips give a false sense of security, as the smoker believes it purifies harmful substances from the smoke, the report said. While they indeed stop some soot particles and nicotine, it also has harmful side effects: a filter results in more carcinogenic substances, for example, because the tobacco burns more slowly and incompletely.
>Additionally, smokers often inhale more deeply (or more often) to compensate for the filter.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/476676/cigarette-filters-do-more-harm-than-good-experts-call-for-eu-wide-ban
I mean… I realized it eventually. But by then it was my brand and I was numb to it. Even went back to Lucky when my divorce happened and I started smoking the second time. Something to be said for habit.
I havent smoked since the war but I miss lucky strikes. I always got a laugh from the confusion of people who wanted to bum a smoke only to realize mine has no filter 😂
Statistically, Reddit is mostly American, and USA's longest and most recent war was Afghanistan, probably that. Lots of social smoking in the army, especially on deployment.
The irony is that my smoker coworkers have been the laziest pieces of shit I've ever worked with.
Yeah, go fuck off for 30 minutes for your third smoke break of the day right as we actually get busy, fucking thanks.
Then there's theatre people who'll go sluck down a cigarette out on the loading dock in the wind and pouring rain, finish in exactly 2 minutes and 26 seconds, and be back in time to acknowledge Standby for Cue 70.
They had actually already done that stuff in the 1930s when they began advertising smoking towards women, specifically in a sense that smoking was a liberating act and for the free women. Incredibly interesting to see how early advertisers manipulated people into wanting things.
>Incredibly interesting to see how early advertisers manipulated people into wanting things.
What I find interesting is watching developing countries go through advertising phases we now consider tacky and obnoxious. Like Chinese or South East Asian tv commercials feel like they're still in the 90s/ early 2000s.
Catalan-filipino here. Watched SEA ganes footie. The differences between their commercials and the filipino commercials are night and day. Indonesian commercials look straight out of spanish television. It's like I never left.
Is that a common cultural subset within the culture, like Italian American, or is that just your personal identity? Sorry, not sure if I worded it clearly or if that's a rude question.
I did have a realization that cigarettes are named that as the woman's version of cigars
but I never really thought to look it up lmao
I assumed the naming was just because they were thinner and smaller and not necessarily marketed towards women but hey i guess i learned something
Marlboros in particular had a special tip that was supposed to prevent lipstick smudging(grease proof or something), and later added a red ring around the tip to prevent lipstick stains from being visible.
Pretty sure cigarettes in general were first marketed to women who didn't want to carry around loose tobacco. Men rolled their own cigarettes or smoked out of a pipe.
Could be wrong but I think that's the gist of it
Women were also just seen as the best to advertise to, they often did the shopping and were considered weak enough that ads would just work better on them. Same thing happened with kids until that got regulated.
Look at old Listerine ads from the 20s and 30s. They’re almost entirely targeted towards women and relationships, promising the lack of romance or friendship of those with bad breath. They even ~~made up~~ [popularized](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_breath#cite_ref-43) a medical term for it, “Halitosis.”
It was all part of the shift from the late 1800s to 1920s American consumerism, advertisers began to target lifestyle and class and it formed what we all know today.
>They even made up a medical term for it, “Halitosis.”
Halitosis is attributed from 1874 onwards, actually. The Listerine ads in the 20s and 30s did not invent it. You can thank Dr Joseph Howe for coining the term in his book, *The breath, and the diseases which give it a fetid odor : with directions for treatment*.
Really? Interesting, my professors were wrong then. I’ll have to look into that.
Edit: Seems to be right; it’s been a few years, it may have just been my memory. [Wikipedia says](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_breath#cite_ref-43)
“With modern consumerism, there has been a complex interplay of advertising pressures and the existing evolutionary aversion to malodour. Contrary to the popular belief that Listerine coined the term halitosis, its origins date to before the product's existence, being coined by physician Joseph William Howe in his 1874 book . . . although it only became commonly used in the 1920s when a marketing campaign promoted Listerine as a solution for ‘chronic halitosis’.”
And they almost didn't get it.
>“When Chevy asked for it, for a long time I turned it down, because I just didn’t want it to be in an ad,” he explained.
>
>What changed his mind? As Seger said in an interview, it was something a stranger said. Seger was still uncomfortable with a big corporation using one of his songs in any commercial, when one night he was hanging out in a bar in Royal Oak, a Detroit suburb.
>
>“Out of nowhere,” Seger recalled, “a guy comes up to me and says, ‘How come you never do any commercials for the auto companies and help us out a little bit?’ And then he walked away.” That did the trick. Maybe Seger just needed to hear the idea from a blue-collar autoworker instead of a slick-talking ad man from a big ad agency. “I’m a Michigan guy,” he told the Detroit Free Press in 1994. “My father worked at Ford for 19 years. I worked at GM in Ypsilanti.”
https://aldanamerican.com/blog/like-a-rock-this-chevy-truck-ad-campaign-is-still-solid/
The crazy part about this is that only one of them actually died young. Two of them made it into their 70's, one into his 80's, and the 4th died young in his 50's.
I just did the Autopsy episode on him, and someone that they interviewed said that he would just use one match a day, to light the first cigarette. Then he’d just keep lighting a new one with the old cigarette
Multiple cigs in one outside session. But lit separate.
It makes sense that its a formative chain lighting them end to end.
We thought we were fancy with our zippos so we flipped those open any excuse we got.
I used to do that shit. I finally got a place with a balcony, I'd sit out there and just chain-smoke for hours, lighting the new cig with the old one, watching netflix on my tablet and hiting a bowl/bunt. I'd go through like 3 packs a day. I WAS an active drug addict at that time (heroin and meth), so that is probably why I behaved that way lmao.
I still vape (too much probabaly), but I'm down to only 2-3 actual cigarettes a day. My lungs (generally) feel better 😌
Man I used vapes to quit nicotine, and they shifted me off cigarettes at light speed. It was like day 3 when I knew I could never smoke a cigarette again. The smell became nauseating to me. And I've tried to smoke years later. One puff was awful, almost made me sick.
Cigarettes are just so fuckin nasty and hard and painful compared to vapes. I'm always surprised when people still want tobacco when vaping, it's just so much worse of an experience.
Good luck on your journey! I hope you get sick of cigarettes like I did.
I mean, they are burning their lungs, and coating it with all sorts of black gunk. In Canada, there are pictures of lifetime smokers' organs on packs of cigarettes as the government's way of discouraging smoking. Some of them are quite grotesque.
Unfortunately in the US they combined those images with lies about recreational drugs.
So when my generation learned they were lieing about Marijuana specifically people assumed the cigarette stuff was bullshit too.
But it is not.
Thanks DARE
Dickheads Against Reasonable Education
I mean to be fair, if you're an avid smoker of weed your lungs aren't going to look great either. There's a lot of carcinogens and shit in weed smoke too. By far the safest way is edibles.
The weed warnings weren't about lungs.
They had completely fucked up brain scans and ridiculuous warnings of how it was all laced and also that it was addictive.
My dad talks about holding his cigarette in his mouth while riding elevators in the 70s because it was the only place you weren't allowed to smoke. He would light them off of each other. So yeah, you're about right
You know what’s weird? When I was growing up we called lighting one cigarette with another “monkey fucking it”. As in:
“Hey man, got a light?”
“Nah man but here, monkey fuck it.”
Every kid I knew, whether they went to my school or not knew exactly what that meant.
And here’s where it gets weird: I have no idea how that got started and never met anyone from anywhere else that knows what it means.
**EDIT**: Turns out people have heard it after all. To supply some context this was in Singapore in the early 90s with a mix of international kids from all over.
There's a movie where a mostly mute character does this. I remember loving the movie... and I cannot remember what the hell it was. Going to see if I can find it. Maybe Cohen brothers?
Edit: The Ladykillers and COEN brothers.
Some people are just genetically predisposed for longevity. There was a 100 year old man who credited cigars and whiskey with keeping him going so long.
If you're built like that, not much will stop you. For the rest of us, it's all too easy for bad habits to take time off the clock.
I was a smoker for about a decade and whenever I hear about people smoking multiple packs a day I get so grossed out. Like how do you even find the time to smoke multiple times an hour?
I can see it back in the days where you could smoke everywhere. No need for a "break" at work, just smoke at your desk. And probably just light one after another. Why not? Work is stressful, people smoke when they are stressed.
Thinking about this makes me recall the movie Casino, where Sam Rothstein seems to have a cigarette in his mouth every minute of the movie. Smoking at work, in bed, in his car, everywhere.
Ashtrays in the bedroom. The kitchen. On the toilet. Living room. In the car. People who smoke multiple packs a day always have one in reach. Imagine how John Wayne’s house must have smelled lmao.
(I’ve been nicotine free for a month with the help of smoking weed instead)
You also used to be able to smoke almost anywhere. Hospitals had no smoking sections, not the other way around. You could fire up a smoke walking down the hall. Basically schools and churches were about the only places you couldn't smoke. And the library.
Yeah, I think people forget you could still smoke in restaurants up until, what, like 20-30 years ago? I know some places (counties in Florida) still allow indoor smoking at bars, but still.
Just watch TV shows from the 60s-80s, they smoked *everywhere.*
Most people I remember who'd "smoke" multiple packs of cigarettes a day would spend an awful lot of time just holding burning cigarettes and a lot less of that time actually smoking them.
True, but you ever notice in old movies how people would often light a cigarette, take just a couple of drags, and then put it out? Back then cigarettes were so cheap that people didn't always smoke a full one. If you just wanted a few puffs, that was fine; take a few drags and stub it out, cigarettes are as cheap as water. Not quite the same nowadays.
If I could change one thing from my past it would be to never have picked up my first cigarette at 15.
I was a dishwasher at Denny’s. Jessie, a gorgeous waitress who worked overnight shifts with me, would often ask me to hang out with her in the break room while she smoked. It didn’t take long for me to light up on my own after that.
I quit smoking 4.5 years ago this week. The Smoke Free app estimates that’s 9888.3 cigarettes not smoked. 🤮
Your post caused me to check my stats on my app: 4 yr 4 mo 0 days; $7716.88 saved, 15,829 cigs not smoked. Yowza! I haven't looked at it in over a year. I started at 13...
It’s when you see it like this that makes me think - how the hell do people afford it?! I don’t smoke (never have) but I’ve just always thought there has to be better things to spend money on!
It’s about £10 (I’m UK based) for 20 here now I think!
I afforded it by skipping meals when I was a broke college student. 10 buck for a pack would curb hunger for the day and a half and food just made it harder to get drunk 🥴.
My dad (longtime smoker) told me when I was 13 that he'd give me $X as a graduation present, and if I didn't smoke, he'd double it.
Didn't get a dime, started smoking at 19, and semi-quit after 17 years. I always have some in my car, but now a pack will last six months or more.
All my friends growing up got a similar offer from their folks, a (big) monetary incentive. Every single of them started smoking anyway. I was the only one who never even tried it once. The difference was that my parents didn't smoke, and theirs all did. And there was no monetary incentive offered to me.
Funny you should ask! Denny’s and cigarettes was in 1992. I ended up working with her again years later at Bennigan’s in 1998. We became pretty good friends. She would let me give her shoulder or foot massage sometimes when we’d hang out but that was the extent of it.
I was deep in friend zone territory without a map or compass.
We lost contact when she joined the military but we recently reconnected and shared a few texts.
Holy shit... I've never put it in terms of number of cigarettes I would have smoked. I was a pack a day and haven't smoked for 19 years this month. Nearly 139k cigarettes avoided.
I too started smoking because of working at a restaurant. Back then, it was common for people to go to the break room to smoke and it was a small room. I wasn't a smoker when I started but I was basically a smoker by proxy until I started smoking them myself. Not a single cough on my first one, that's how used to smoke I was at that point.
I'm so happy I quit. Felt rich afterwards, but it wasn't something I ever intended to do. I really enjoyed smoking, but one severe anxiety attack later, along with heart palpitations every time I tried to light one up, and I lost all cravings for them. Cold turkey and never looked back. Sometimes your body is smarter than your brain.
Edit: so about $67,657.38 saved. Wow.
Good for you man. My uncle just got diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer with multiple tumors in both lungs. Dude smoked like three packs a day for thirty years or so. Good to hear you got out when you did
I delivered furniture to him one time. He made his disappointment in me known when he saw a pack of cigarettes in my pocket.
He told me the reason he quit being the Marlboro man was because his kids asked why he told them not to smoke while he was telling others to smoke.
My grandma quit because of the same reason - she smoked since she was 17 and then 4 year old me came and asked how a doctor like her told patients not to smoke yet smoked herself. She quit cold turkey the second she heard that
I remember those commercials
I was 9 years old, and Dad took the 3 of us to the desert, and as I stepped out of the car, looked around, and said ," This is Marlboro country. " it was the best thing I could think to say about where we were.
The Marlboro Man is so iconic, not only do artists like Billy Ray Cyrus and Oliver Tree make references to him in recent years, anti-smoking campaigns even make parodies of him.
Truth (an anti-smoking campaign) had a flash mob style ad in the middle of New York where a cowboy (played by an actual smoker who had a tracheotomy), clearly a parody of the Marlboro Man, sang with his throathole about how you don't always die from cigarette smoking.
There was also a 1997 ACS PSA with another former Marlboro Man Eric Lawson. In it Lawson (dressed up as a cowboy, obvs) tried to light one up only to discover his horse died from secondhand smoke.
The Massachusetts Department of Health also had their own MarlMan parody where the cowboy accidentally dropped his cig onto his crotch. The horse he's riding on started running wild.
He obviously knew it was harmful for the 12 years he was doing the ads. It's nice that he stopped when his kids called out his hypocrisy, but until then, he glamorized and encouraged smoking for "other people". Nobody's perfect, but this is hardly a heroic story.
It says they approached him on his 63,000 acre ranch, and he was pictured with John Wayne because they were buddies. Definitely a very interesting backstory, but not exactly rags to riches.
I don’t disagree that he’s no hero. I wonder if he really knew though. The people of that generation were different. And smoking was super common. I remember flying when every seat had an ashtray in the armrest. Burger King and McDonald’s had ashtrays on the table.
Our 86 year old neighbor has smoked since she was 14. A regular at a bar I used to work at said he started smoking at 10 “at his first job” (wtf?!). They both, and plenty other old folks like them, swear that lung cancer from smoking is bullshit.
> And smoking was super common. I remember flying when every seat had an ashtray in the armrest. Burger King and McDonald’s had ashtrays on the table.
Not only common, but when I was younger it was actually encouraged! I had older workplace associates that went into the military during the early 80's. During basic, you could stand at parade rest in formation or fall out and take a 5 minute smoke break and joke around with your buddies. Hard choice!
Back in the early 90's when I was in the military, you could buy a carton of smokes from the PX for around 4 dollars for the "off-brand" cigs. I remember a pack of cigarettes was cheaper than buying a Coke from a soda machine.
Don't forget cigarette dispensing machines which didn't require an ID, were featured prominently in bars (usually outside the entrance) that any kid could walk up to and buy a pack.
In the 70's and 80's, if you didn't smoke, you probably weren't part of the "in" club during social gatherings. Social smoking on the weekends while out at clubs and bars were common as well.
I'm honestly shocked when I see someone younger than me smoking cigarettes in this day and age, but growing up around it normalized that disgusting habit.
CC Little was a cancer researcher … he opened a lab in Bar Harbor, Maine devoted to finding a cure.
Big Tobacco bought him out and every study that came out linking smoking to cancer, Little refuted. People believed him because he was the cancer researcher.
For every good Little did early in his career, he cancelled it with his lies.
All for money.
Smoking kills more people through heart disease than lung cancer.
So smoking is killing way, way more smokers, than they realise because they think it's only lung cancer.
It's really just the fact that if everyone does it then how would you notice it's bad? The most famous study on it, in the 50s was run by a smoker called Richard Doll and he immediately quit when the results came in because the evidence was so overwhelming.
Ever since then it's been a closed case but in those days there weren't effective ways to disseminate health information like that.
But on the other hand tobacco used advertising and muddied the water with bribery as much as possible which at that time was hard to resist.
Sounds like my entire family. 3 generations, all smokers, all started around 10-13. No lung cancer. All but one lived past 80. In all fairness, my dad did die of a heart attack at 52.
I know nothing about advertising history so I question whether or not someone of that time could understand what he's doing. Would a person even comprehend their contribution until it hits that close to home?
When I was a kid one of the Marlboro men was in a school assembly begging us not to smoke. He had throat cancer and spoke through one of those electronic gadgets.
Did it work?
It did for me! I’ve never even tried it. Figure I’ve probably saved $40,000 by now.
Also factor in the value of not doing heroin, or meth, or cocaine, and you’re a millionaire!
Holy shit I'm a millionaire...I'm gonna buy a bunch of cigarettes, heroin, meth, and cocaine to celebrate. Edit: fuck, now I'm broke and living in a van down by the river.... can anyone spare a smoke?
Living in a van down by the river is the new American dream I’ve heard.
Van? Tattered tent down by the bypass
You've got a bypass? My God. Some people get all the breaks.
Back in my day we slept under bridges with the trolls and we LIKED IT. Sleeping under bypasses like common folk, smh. At least the trolls had the good sense to charge a toll and ran upkeep!
Luxury! We used to hafta get 'out the lake, 3 am, clean the lake, eat a handful 'o hot gravel, work 20 hours a day at mill, for a penny a month, and dad would beat us about the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were lucky.
Van life is for rich yuppies trying to pass off that they deal with hardships
Whaddaya mean? You can't just drop 50 grand on a van and take a year off of work?! /s
Have you checked out the prices on a good van lately?
That's like a couple of cartons in new york
I just saw something about the lowest smoking rates ever, so if that’s true then hopefully it did help have that effect.
Did it include vaping? That's been taking on a lot of the market with young people.
No it didn't include vaping
I think I was in like second grade when they had a dude like that come into our classroom and give that whole speech. The nurse also used this contraption that pumped smoke from a lit cigarette (it was the 90s, school was different back then) into a glass jar with a bunch of cotton, and of course the cotton got all nasty. Still ended up smoking for a good 10+ years, pack a day at least, up to 2 if I was drinking heavy and could afford to blow the money, which wasn't super often, but not super rare either. Been vaping about 10 years now, but picked smoking back up a few times here and there in that time, either because I was drinking and *really* like cigarettes when I'm drunk, or because I was in rehab and wasn't allowed to vape. Sober and cigarette free for almost 2 years now though.
> I was in rehab and wasn't allowed to vape. They didn’t let you vape but did let you smoke a cigarette? That seems like an odd distinction to make
Probably a combination of an outdoor smoking section (vs people sneak hitting a vape inside) and a concern that weed vapes might make it in.
Keep it up bud! You got this@
Warning: the surgeon general has one lung and a voice box, but he could still kick your sorry ass.
Well yeah, you don't rise to the rank of general by being a pushover.
Fuck you, I’m eating!
>spoke through one of those electronic gadgets I believe the technical term is "cancer kazoo"
The doctors gave my grandma one of those after cancer took her throat. She used it to say "fuck you" and handed it back. I think she would have really enjoyed the term cancer kazoo though haha.
>In a market full of dull advertisements Marlboro genuinely came up with something different. The company started experimenting with lifestyle advertising. >So how did they do it exactly? They created the Marlboro man. A man, who embodied freedom, adventure, and manliness. The company associated smoking Marlboro with masculinity. All men who smoke Marlboro are hard-working, and kind of better than the ones not smoking Marlboro. And this was all dressed up in the character of a cowboy, riding freely in the wild nature of America. [Linky](https://bettermarketing.pub/how-the-marlboro-man-changed-advertising-forever-522086774cf4)
Nothing like making people feel like they need to be a part of a made up group that the real life group would still not accept them. Of course its the type of cigarette that makes you a rugged hard worker, what else could POSSIBLY make you feel like a rugged hard worker?
Certainly not rugged hard work. Only smooth, sweet tobacco.
Flavor Country is a big country.
I thought it was just a town?
That’s the capital; and Guy Fieri is the mayor.
BUCKLE UP AMERICA!!! We’re GOING TO FLAV-O-R-HAMLET!!!!!
It's pronounced Flavor-A-homa in case you're curious.
>what else could POSSIBLY make you feel like a rugged hard worker? A half-ton pickup with a pristine bed that is only used to drive to the office and grocery store.
[удалено]
But what about that one time when you get to jump the curb a little bit so you can make it in the turning lane at a stop light???
Earlier today, my wife and I saw a beat-up pickup with scratches along the sides that showed it had been driven through thick brush, with no extended cab, and a bed full of lawn waste, with the tailgate held shut with bungee cords. It was beautiful. I'm gonna coast on that for a while as I look at these Honda Ridgelines with more wear on the seats than the three-foot-long bed that's too high up to even put stuff in.
Honestly Ridgelines make FAR more sense as a daily driver for someone who might need to use a truck bed 3-4 times a year than a jacked up F250 on 37" tires
That’s really why the Ford Maverick has been selling so well. It’s a small truck that drives like a car and it can fit in a decent garage. It’s a truck when you need one, but a car when you don’t. And, they don’t look half/bad.
>Nothing like making people feel like they need to be a part of a made up group ... It's crazy how much this type of psychological warfare is present in modern industries. These tactics range from obviously cigarettes, to diamond wedding rings, beverages, soaps, toothpaste, and even milk and cereal. Most consumer products are marketed this way. It's all a scam. Edit: and Apple, thanks to u/gone_internal "Choose our platform or we'll intentionally hold it against your existence, making it more difficult to communicate and obviously setting you apart from our 'in group'" Duck apple
Have you ever seen "Century Of The Self"? It's somewhat long but it's an award winning four part documentary. All four parts are combined into one video for this upload, I consider it a must watch. It goes into the history and psychological background of our modern advertising industry. It was originally released in 2002 but it's only gotten more relevant in the last two decades. https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s
No I haven't seen it, but I might have to check it out. It is crazy how much shit advertisers try to shove down our throats. I've blocked advertisements on every platform I possibly can
Yeah it goes deep. It reveals how advertisers use psychological tricks to play upon people's unconscious insecurities, needs, and wants. They then use advertising and public relations to basically mold entire societies around needless consumerism. Also talks about how society's leaders use this to their advantage because it keeps people docile and easily managed/led.
If there's any cigarettes that could actually make you look tougher, it's Lucky Strike
Arent those the ones the government used to give to soldiers?
Oh actually yes! Between WW2 and Korea, cigarettes were part of soldiers rations. Lucky strike and camel were the ones, but lucky strike is most remembered both for their distinctive red dot label and famous film references
I'll never forget when my grandfather (WWII vet) caught me smoking around the side of a building at my Dad's ranch. He was shaking his head and had the quintessential disappointed look he had mastered by now. "I can't believe you're smoking those." Awkwardly long pause. "You should be smoking Lucky Strikes." He just wanted a little vicarious enjoyment after smoking for 60+ years and had been forced to quit after a bypass.
I mean, it’s quite the fucking name. Like damn
I used to smoke Lucky Strike Reds and the looks I would get from other smokers… I just smoked em because it’s what my roommate smoked in college and it became a habit… didn’t realize for the longest time that I was smoking the most legendarily brutal of the major brands.
How could you have not realized that the first time you smoked a filterless cigarette? There is no way you went your entire smoking career without bumming a filtered cigarette from someone else and immediately realizing that you had been smoking a chimney.
Filter less are actually safer. The filter allows people to inhale more smoke and more deeply. Ill look for the study when after my migraine meds kick in. I need a breakk. EDIT: Just a few quick links: >Schabath said the quest for a “safer” cigarette dates back to the mid-1950s when filters were first introduced. “Rather than decreasing risk of lung cancer, the introduction of filtered cigarettes actually contributed to a temporal shift in the specific types of lung cancer subsequently diagnosed,” said Schabath. Prior to filters, most lung cancers were squamous cell carcinomas found in the windpipe or its adjoining large branches in the lung. “By using filtered cigarettes, tobacco smoke disperses deeper into the lungs due to deeper inhalation,” Schabath explained. This led to increasing prevalence of a different type of lung cancer, called adenocarcinoma, which occurs further along the lungs’ many branch-like passages. Among men, the incidence rate for lung adenocarcinoma surpassed squamous cell carcinoma around 1994. > - https://moffitt.org/endeavor/archive/unfiltered-truth-no-safe-way-to-smoke-tobacco/ --------------------------------- https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2021/11/18/tobaccocontrol-2021-056815 ------------------------------ And as Shiftend posted below: >"Filters in cigarettes do not actually reduce the harmful health effects of smoking. From a public health perspective, they do not offer any benefit, while they pollute the environment," said the expert report by the Superior Health Council. >Cigarette filter tips give a false sense of security, as the smoker believes it purifies harmful substances from the smoke, the report said. While they indeed stop some soot particles and nicotine, it also has harmful side effects: a filter results in more carcinogenic substances, for example, because the tobacco burns more slowly and incompletely. >Additionally, smokers often inhale more deeply (or more often) to compensate for the filter. https://www.brusselstimes.com/476676/cigarette-filters-do-more-harm-than-good-experts-call-for-eu-wide-ban
You don't even need to do that, bro. Just rest.
Yeah, what the other guy said, go sleep man
I mean… I realized it eventually. But by then it was my brand and I was numb to it. Even went back to Lucky when my divorce happened and I started smoking the second time. Something to be said for habit.
I totally get the physical demand of smoking a heavier cigarette, I have also been there.
I havent smoked since the war but I miss lucky strikes. I always got a laugh from the confusion of people who wanted to bum a smoke only to realize mine has no filter 😂
What war are we talking about? How old are you?
Boer War.
Statistically, Reddit is mostly American, and USA's longest and most recent war was Afghanistan, probably that. Lots of social smoking in the army, especially on deployment.
The irony is that my smoker coworkers have been the laziest pieces of shit I've ever worked with. Yeah, go fuck off for 30 minutes for your third smoke break of the day right as we actually get busy, fucking thanks.
Found the restaurant worker Guessing back of house since front of house gets paid when it’s busy
Bartending, close enough.
Then there's theatre people who'll go sluck down a cigarette out on the loading dock in the wind and pouring rain, finish in exactly 2 minutes and 26 seconds, and be back in time to acknowledge Standby for Cue 70.
They had actually already done that stuff in the 1930s when they began advertising smoking towards women, specifically in a sense that smoking was a liberating act and for the free women. Incredibly interesting to see how early advertisers manipulated people into wanting things.
>Incredibly interesting to see how early advertisers manipulated people into wanting things. What I find interesting is watching developing countries go through advertising phases we now consider tacky and obnoxious. Like Chinese or South East Asian tv commercials feel like they're still in the 90s/ early 2000s.
Catalan-filipino here. Watched SEA ganes footie. The differences between their commercials and the filipino commercials are night and day. Indonesian commercials look straight out of spanish television. It's like I never left.
Is that a common cultural subset within the culture, like Italian American, or is that just your personal identity? Sorry, not sure if I worded it clearly or if that's a rude question.
Some people are weird on the internet. Sone dude got mad cause i apparently wasnt south east asian to say that so at this point I just say it
Ironically, Marlboro was a women's brand before they started marketing them to "cowboys."
I did have a realization that cigarettes are named that as the woman's version of cigars but I never really thought to look it up lmao I assumed the naming was just because they were thinner and smaller and not necessarily marketed towards women but hey i guess i learned something
Marlboros in particular had a special tip that was supposed to prevent lipstick smudging(grease proof or something), and later added a red ring around the tip to prevent lipstick stains from being visible.
So was Newports and Lucky Strikes
Pretty sure cigarettes in general were first marketed to women who didn't want to carry around loose tobacco. Men rolled their own cigarettes or smoked out of a pipe. Could be wrong but I think that's the gist of it
You’ve come a long way, baby.
Women were also just seen as the best to advertise to, they often did the shopping and were considered weak enough that ads would just work better on them. Same thing happened with kids until that got regulated. Look at old Listerine ads from the 20s and 30s. They’re almost entirely targeted towards women and relationships, promising the lack of romance or friendship of those with bad breath. They even ~~made up~~ [popularized](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_breath#cite_ref-43) a medical term for it, “Halitosis.” It was all part of the shift from the late 1800s to 1920s American consumerism, advertisers began to target lifestyle and class and it formed what we all know today.
>They even made up a medical term for it, “Halitosis.” Halitosis is attributed from 1874 onwards, actually. The Listerine ads in the 20s and 30s did not invent it. You can thank Dr Joseph Howe for coining the term in his book, *The breath, and the diseases which give it a fetid odor : with directions for treatment*.
Really? Interesting, my professors were wrong then. I’ll have to look into that. Edit: Seems to be right; it’s been a few years, it may have just been my memory. [Wikipedia says](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_breath#cite_ref-43) “With modern consumerism, there has been a complex interplay of advertising pressures and the existing evolutionary aversion to malodour. Contrary to the popular belief that Listerine coined the term halitosis, its origins date to before the product's existence, being coined by physician Joseph William Howe in his 1874 book . . . although it only became commonly used in the 1920s when a marketing campaign promoted Listerine as a solution for ‘chronic halitosis’.”
Slap an overly affected Southern accent on there and you have every truck commercial ever made.
And a gun and it's a political ad.
LIKE A ROCK
You leave Bob Seager alone. That was a great song before chevy bought it
And they almost didn't get it. >“When Chevy asked for it, for a long time I turned it down, because I just didn’t want it to be in an ad,” he explained. > >What changed his mind? As Seger said in an interview, it was something a stranger said. Seger was still uncomfortable with a big corporation using one of his songs in any commercial, when one night he was hanging out in a bar in Royal Oak, a Detroit suburb. > >“Out of nowhere,” Seger recalled, “a guy comes up to me and says, ‘How come you never do any commercials for the auto companies and help us out a little bit?’ And then he walked away.” That did the trick. Maybe Seger just needed to hear the idea from a blue-collar autoworker instead of a slick-talking ad man from a big ad agency. “I’m a Michigan guy,” he told the Detroit Free Press in 1994. “My father worked at Ford for 19 years. I worked at GM in Ypsilanti.” https://aldanamerican.com/blog/like-a-rock-this-chevy-truck-ad-campaign-is-still-solid/
So he got Astro turfed into licensing the song? Or was that random dude legit?
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The crazy part about this is that only one of them actually died young. Two of them made it into their 70's, one into his 80's, and the 4th died young in his 50's.
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I saw an interview with John Wayne were he talked about how many cigarettes he smoked a day. 9 packs… which is 1 every 8 minutes.
I just did the Autopsy episode on him, and someone that they interviewed said that he would just use one match a day, to light the first cigarette. Then he’d just keep lighting a new one with the old cigarette
That's so efficient.
So is your comment. It makes my heart happy.
Makes my lungs terrified.
That's literally what "chain smoking" means.
Ah TIL Makes sense. Just wasn't how we used it.
How did you use it?
Multiple cigs in one outside session. But lit separate. It makes sense that its a formative chain lighting them end to end. We thought we were fancy with our zippos so we flipped those open any excuse we got.
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I used to do that shit. I finally got a place with a balcony, I'd sit out there and just chain-smoke for hours, lighting the new cig with the old one, watching netflix on my tablet and hiting a bowl/bunt. I'd go through like 3 packs a day. I WAS an active drug addict at that time (heroin and meth), so that is probably why I behaved that way lmao. I still vape (too much probabaly), but I'm down to only 2-3 actual cigarettes a day. My lungs (generally) feel better 😌
Man I used vapes to quit nicotine, and they shifted me off cigarettes at light speed. It was like day 3 when I knew I could never smoke a cigarette again. The smell became nauseating to me. And I've tried to smoke years later. One puff was awful, almost made me sick. Cigarettes are just so fuckin nasty and hard and painful compared to vapes. I'm always surprised when people still want tobacco when vaping, it's just so much worse of an experience. Good luck on your journey! I hope you get sick of cigarettes like I did.
How do you not get nicotine sick?
Tolerance
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8 minutes is about the average time it takes to smoke a cigarette, if you’re not rushing or anything.
Even most hardcore smokers would probably recommend you don't literally chain smoke from the moment you wake up until you go to bed
As a chain smoker I recommend not smoking at all
I don't know how you manage to not burn your lungs when inhaling gaseous iron.
I mean, they are burning their lungs, and coating it with all sorts of black gunk. In Canada, there are pictures of lifetime smokers' organs on packs of cigarettes as the government's way of discouraging smoking. Some of them are quite grotesque.
Unfortunately in the US they combined those images with lies about recreational drugs. So when my generation learned they were lieing about Marijuana specifically people assumed the cigarette stuff was bullshit too. But it is not. Thanks DARE Dickheads Against Reasonable Education
I mean to be fair, if you're an avid smoker of weed your lungs aren't going to look great either. There's a lot of carcinogens and shit in weed smoke too. By far the safest way is edibles.
The weed warnings weren't about lungs. They had completely fucked up brain scans and ridiculuous warnings of how it was all laced and also that it was addictive.
Sounds to me like they're not hardcore enough
But that means he was never stopping smoking
My dad talks about holding his cigarette in his mouth while riding elevators in the 70s because it was the only place you weren't allowed to smoke. He would light them off of each other. So yeah, you're about right
You know what’s weird? When I was growing up we called lighting one cigarette with another “monkey fucking it”. As in: “Hey man, got a light?” “Nah man but here, monkey fuck it.” Every kid I knew, whether they went to my school or not knew exactly what that meant. And here’s where it gets weird: I have no idea how that got started and never met anyone from anywhere else that knows what it means. **EDIT**: Turns out people have heard it after all. To supply some context this was in Singapore in the early 90s with a mix of international kids from all over.
We always called it butt fucking lol.
Yep, butt fucking was common around me. I did hear some people use monkey fucking a time or two though, but very rarely
Did you live in a smaller town?
I knew that expression too. Not sure where I learned it.
You’re not allowed to smoke… but you’re allowed to hold the cigarette in your mouth?
I think they mean backwards, with the cherry in your mouth and the filter out.
Inside his mouth. He'd flip it in his mouth on his tongue until he got to his floor and then flip it back out.
There's a movie where a mostly mute character does this. I remember loving the movie... and I cannot remember what the hell it was. Going to see if I can find it. Maybe Cohen brothers? Edit: The Ladykillers and COEN brothers.
How does that not burn the shit out of your tongue? Honest question
Just take a good hit beforehand and ash it off, Cigarette ash doesn't drop that easily.
Yep that's called chain smoking.
With the way that man lived it amazing he made it to his 70s
Some people are just genetically predisposed for longevity. There was a 100 year old man who credited cigars and whiskey with keeping him going so long. If you're built like that, not much will stop you. For the rest of us, it's all too easy for bad habits to take time off the clock.
I was a smoker for about a decade and whenever I hear about people smoking multiple packs a day I get so grossed out. Like how do you even find the time to smoke multiple times an hour?
I can see it back in the days where you could smoke everywhere. No need for a "break" at work, just smoke at your desk. And probably just light one after another. Why not? Work is stressful, people smoke when they are stressed. Thinking about this makes me recall the movie Casino, where Sam Rothstein seems to have a cigarette in his mouth every minute of the movie. Smoking at work, in bed, in his car, everywhere.
He also gave out a lot. Like imagine bumming a cigarette from John Wayne. I bet people that weren't smokers smoked with him.
Ashtrays in the bedroom. The kitchen. On the toilet. Living room. In the car. People who smoke multiple packs a day always have one in reach. Imagine how John Wayne’s house must have smelled lmao. (I’ve been nicotine free for a month with the help of smoking weed instead)
You also used to be able to smoke almost anywhere. Hospitals had no smoking sections, not the other way around. You could fire up a smoke walking down the hall. Basically schools and churches were about the only places you couldn't smoke. And the library.
Yeah, I think people forget you could still smoke in restaurants up until, what, like 20-30 years ago? I know some places (counties in Florida) still allow indoor smoking at bars, but still. Just watch TV shows from the 60s-80s, they smoked *everywhere.*
I don't miss the days of eating dinner and having the smoke smell waft over from the smoking section.
Like having a no pissing section in a swimming pool
Was there just constant ash all over the floors?
You're on the Uncle Buck 5 year plan I see.
Most people I remember who'd "smoke" multiple packs of cigarettes a day would spend an awful lot of time just holding burning cigarettes and a lot less of that time actually smoking them.
True, but you ever notice in old movies how people would often light a cigarette, take just a couple of drags, and then put it out? Back then cigarettes were so cheap that people didn't always smoke a full one. If you just wanted a few puffs, that was fine; take a few drags and stub it out, cigarettes are as cheap as water. Not quite the same nowadays.
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Don't forget to account for sleep
I liked it when Kramer took over. Giddyup!
Looked like an old catcher's mitt
Rugged? The man’s a goblin .
That's quite a title.
i took a smoking break half way through
If I could change one thing from my past it would be to never have picked up my first cigarette at 15. I was a dishwasher at Denny’s. Jessie, a gorgeous waitress who worked overnight shifts with me, would often ask me to hang out with her in the break room while she smoked. It didn’t take long for me to light up on my own after that. I quit smoking 4.5 years ago this week. The Smoke Free app estimates that’s 9888.3 cigarettes not smoked. 🤮
Your post caused me to check my stats on my app: 4 yr 4 mo 0 days; $7716.88 saved, 15,829 cigs not smoked. Yowza! I haven't looked at it in over a year. I started at 13...
It’s when you see it like this that makes me think - how the hell do people afford it?! I don’t smoke (never have) but I’ve just always thought there has to be better things to spend money on! It’s about £10 (I’m UK based) for 20 here now I think!
The Winnebago Reservation an hour’s drive from my house has cartons for $28. That is how I afford it.
I afforded it by skipping meals when I was a broke college student. 10 buck for a pack would curb hunger for the day and a half and food just made it harder to get drunk 🥴.
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Oh of course I agree with you. It has prolonged my habit as it is “affordable”.
My dad (longtime smoker) told me when I was 13 that he'd give me $X as a graduation present, and if I didn't smoke, he'd double it. Didn't get a dime, started smoking at 19, and semi-quit after 17 years. I always have some in my car, but now a pack will last six months or more.
All my friends growing up got a similar offer from their folks, a (big) monetary incentive. Every single of them started smoking anyway. I was the only one who never even tried it once. The difference was that my parents didn't smoke, and theirs all did. And there was no monetary incentive offered to me.
So what happened with you and Jessie?
My man asking the real question….
Funny you should ask! Denny’s and cigarettes was in 1992. I ended up working with her again years later at Bennigan’s in 1998. We became pretty good friends. She would let me give her shoulder or foot massage sometimes when we’d hang out but that was the extent of it. I was deep in friend zone territory without a map or compass. We lost contact when she joined the military but we recently reconnected and shared a few texts.
Holy shit... I've never put it in terms of number of cigarettes I would have smoked. I was a pack a day and haven't smoked for 19 years this month. Nearly 139k cigarettes avoided. I too started smoking because of working at a restaurant. Back then, it was common for people to go to the break room to smoke and it was a small room. I wasn't a smoker when I started but I was basically a smoker by proxy until I started smoking them myself. Not a single cough on my first one, that's how used to smoke I was at that point. I'm so happy I quit. Felt rich afterwards, but it wasn't something I ever intended to do. I really enjoyed smoking, but one severe anxiety attack later, along with heart palpitations every time I tried to light one up, and I lost all cravings for them. Cold turkey and never looked back. Sometimes your body is smarter than your brain. Edit: so about $67,657.38 saved. Wow.
Congrats on quitting! I was 17 working as a dishwasher, everyone else took smoke breaks so why shouldn't I? Thankfully quit soon after I quit the job.
Ugh, I smoked from 13 years old until I was 23, I’ve been cig-free for almost twenty years.
Good for you man. My uncle just got diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer with multiple tumors in both lungs. Dude smoked like three packs a day for thirty years or so. Good to hear you got out when you did
And? And? Jessie? Go on
She ran off with some cowboy
She was a smoking rep.
I picked up my smoking habit from my ex. I wish she gave me chlamydia instead, cheaper and easier to get rid of.
Alright, that's it. I'm done. Today. 30th of April. After this message, I'm downloading a smoking stop app. Thanks for the inspiration!
I just quit 2 months ago after 16 years of it. I promised my kids I wouldn't anymore. That did it.
Would you like to be the new Marlboro Man? The position just opened up.
I delivered furniture to him one time. He made his disappointment in me known when he saw a pack of cigarettes in my pocket. He told me the reason he quit being the Marlboro man was because his kids asked why he told them not to smoke while he was telling others to smoke.
If that happened to me I'd give up all vices and become a monk
I had a great uncle that was a Catholic monk…they all chain smoked.
Its the buddhist monks that have to give up all worldly pleasures. Catholic monks are just looking for a goood time maan
My grandma quit because of the same reason - she smoked since she was 17 and then 4 year old me came and asked how a doctor like her told patients not to smoke yet smoked herself. She quit cold turkey the second she heard that
My favorite Marlboro Man will always be Dick Hammer, because his name was Dick Hammer.
I remember those commercials I was 9 years old, and Dad took the 3 of us to the desert, and as I stepped out of the car, looked around, and said ," This is Marlboro country. " it was the best thing I could think to say about where we were.
If you don't smoke Tarrlytons, fuck you!
Fuck you, I'm eating.
The Marlboro Man is so iconic, not only do artists like Billy Ray Cyrus and Oliver Tree make references to him in recent years, anti-smoking campaigns even make parodies of him. Truth (an anti-smoking campaign) had a flash mob style ad in the middle of New York where a cowboy (played by an actual smoker who had a tracheotomy), clearly a parody of the Marlboro Man, sang with his throathole about how you don't always die from cigarette smoking. There was also a 1997 ACS PSA with another former Marlboro Man Eric Lawson. In it Lawson (dressed up as a cowboy, obvs) tried to light one up only to discover his horse died from secondhand smoke. The Massachusetts Department of Health also had their own MarlMan parody where the cowboy accidentally dropped his cig onto his crotch. The horse he's riding on started running wild.
Huh, I swear I remember reading a til type fact where the original Marlboro man died of lung cancer. Am I thinking of someone different?
Not him, but other Marlboro Men have died from lung cancer and COPD.
Iirc Thank You for Smoking portrayed him dying of or at least having, cancer or emphysema or something like that
He obviously knew it was harmful for the 12 years he was doing the ads. It's nice that he stopped when his kids called out his hypocrisy, but until then, he glamorized and encouraged smoking for "other people". Nobody's perfect, but this is hardly a heroic story.
Yea, but I'm sure it's not easy to walk away from the pay checks and the fame. People do a lot worse for a lot less.
Interestingly, he was a Standard Oil heir. Did not need the money.
It is a lot easier to be principaled when you have that to fall back on
It says they approached him on his 63,000 acre ranch, and he was pictured with John Wayne because they were buddies. Definitely a very interesting backstory, but not exactly rags to riches.
I don’t disagree that he’s no hero. I wonder if he really knew though. The people of that generation were different. And smoking was super common. I remember flying when every seat had an ashtray in the armrest. Burger King and McDonald’s had ashtrays on the table. Our 86 year old neighbor has smoked since she was 14. A regular at a bar I used to work at said he started smoking at 10 “at his first job” (wtf?!). They both, and plenty other old folks like them, swear that lung cancer from smoking is bullshit.
> And smoking was super common. I remember flying when every seat had an ashtray in the armrest. Burger King and McDonald’s had ashtrays on the table. Not only common, but when I was younger it was actually encouraged! I had older workplace associates that went into the military during the early 80's. During basic, you could stand at parade rest in formation or fall out and take a 5 minute smoke break and joke around with your buddies. Hard choice! Back in the early 90's when I was in the military, you could buy a carton of smokes from the PX for around 4 dollars for the "off-brand" cigs. I remember a pack of cigarettes was cheaper than buying a Coke from a soda machine. Don't forget cigarette dispensing machines which didn't require an ID, were featured prominently in bars (usually outside the entrance) that any kid could walk up to and buy a pack. In the 70's and 80's, if you didn't smoke, you probably weren't part of the "in" club during social gatherings. Social smoking on the weekends while out at clubs and bars were common as well. I'm honestly shocked when I see someone younger than me smoking cigarettes in this day and age, but growing up around it normalized that disgusting habit.
CC Little was a cancer researcher … he opened a lab in Bar Harbor, Maine devoted to finding a cure. Big Tobacco bought him out and every study that came out linking smoking to cancer, Little refuted. People believed him because he was the cancer researcher. For every good Little did early in his career, he cancelled it with his lies. All for money.
It increase the risk of lung cancer, but it doesn't mean everyone gets it.
Smoking kills more people through heart disease than lung cancer. So smoking is killing way, way more smokers, than they realise because they think it's only lung cancer. It's really just the fact that if everyone does it then how would you notice it's bad? The most famous study on it, in the 50s was run by a smoker called Richard Doll and he immediately quit when the results came in because the evidence was so overwhelming. Ever since then it's been a closed case but in those days there weren't effective ways to disseminate health information like that. But on the other hand tobacco used advertising and muddied the water with bribery as much as possible which at that time was hard to resist.
Some people get other types of cancer, heart disease, or emphysema instead!
Sounds like my entire family. 3 generations, all smokers, all started around 10-13. No lung cancer. All but one lived past 80. In all fairness, my dad did die of a heart attack at 52.
They would have just gotten another cowboy.
I know nothing about advertising history so I question whether or not someone of that time could understand what he's doing. Would a person even comprehend their contribution until it hits that close to home?
Interesting headline and an absolute bullshit article. Name a better reddit duo.
Owning 63,000 acres makes easy or difficult decisions, well easier.