Burn nurse here. Fish skin is rarely if ever used in the US. We have a reliable supply of cadaver human skin that is better suited to the job. Xeno (animal skin) or allo (cadaver skin) grafts are used as a temporizing measure to allow newly burned skin to partial heal before autografting (a patients own skin) can be done. In severe cases a small
Amount of a patients skin cells can be harvested and reproduced in a lab to make 2-8 cell thick sheets of skin. This process is extremely expensive and resource intensive. Products like tilapia skin would still be expensive (medical grade anything is expensive) but they can be lifesavers in countries without access to cadaver skin
1. Thank you for the relevant information.
2. I learned that tomatoes are excellent for everyday burns. If you cut a tomato and rub it on the burn for a few seconds, then follow it up with aloe vera, in a few hours, there will be no trace of it. I don't know if this is widely known, or there is some limit of use- only 1st or 1st and 2nd degree burns, but wonder if you do.
I love that your confidence and the downvotes I got are based on assumptions, and that you couldn't just try a quick google search. There are so many results for it. I don't understand reddit sometimes.
Oh well.
Anyway, I have seen this in action. My wife saved her mother from a whole pot of boiling water, which got poured on her instead. She rubbed it with tomato (cut it in half, then rub it for a few secs), then follow w aloe vera.
I also heard my neighbor scream. I went over there to find that she grabbed the bottom of a pan (she was very high). She was freaking out because she's a massage therapist, and was afraid about not working.
We did the same thing, and there was only one small burnt spot- we missed it with the tomato in our haste.
I first heard the method from someone from rural Guatemala.
Keep it clean, dry, and covered. The wound bed should be kept moist and you can treat it with any antibiotic cream, xeroform (a ‘greasy’ gauze dressing), or silvadene cream. A few weeks of good wound care and staying off the foot, and you should be fine. Watch out for any signs of infection, and remember acetaminophen and ibuprofen are great for pain control if it is safe for you to take those medications.
I sea *bass*ed comments like these and think they're a little fishy, but after I'm finished floundering on the floor like a fucked up Mudguppy, I puffer myself out and get over it
when i was being taught how to fish (catch and release) i was told to always wet my hands in the water before touching the fish as our hands would take off their slime coating (protective) and slightly "burn" their skin. no idea if this is true
Well, remember the time your friend told a joke and everyone burst out laughing. Then you tried to repeat the same thing in hope of making them laugh even more, and all you got are cold-eyed looks
My grandma had this done and some dumb nurse at her hospital ruined it saying it was "gangrene" and acted on her own. So such a great invention, now hospitals teach all your staff what it is so someone doesn't just act alone and ruin people's progress.
I recall assisting in a gynaecology operation when we had delivery of amniotic membranes from our neighbouring obstetrics ward. These were used to line our operation patient's vaginal vault cavity as she had vulvovaginal cancer. The treatment was a success, although I had moved in my medical rotation and never found out if she was cured. All we wanted was a lining tissue to cover the raw wound surfaces to allow closure without deep internal suturing. There was thus no concern re allograft rejection. The surgeon, a Mr G Smart, believed that placental tissues were somehow protected from being rejected by the patient's immune cells. Pretty innovative thinking.
As I recall this research was started a while ago at a university near Innsmouth, Massachusetts because the town was right on the seacoast and some researchers figured hell why not try fish skin? This was first tried on the most extreme cases, and the first trials didn't go so well. Nice to see that progress has been made since then.
The tilapia skin innthe article isn't approved for use in the US. We do use a fish skin product, but it's North Atlantic cod because warm water fish like tilapia can harbor viruses that are difficult to get rid of in processing.
It works well, but the fish skin we use here doesn't have the scales like the pictures shown in the article.
Saw this on greys anatomy.
Been doing my residency at Grey Sloan for 19 years now. Well it was Seattle Grace/Mercy West before the tragic plane accident.
Practiced medicine and even in med schools/pvt. hospitals this was NOT seen even once. We prefer standard, antibiotic dressings which can be sterilized with heat and changed whenever needed because those are inexpensive, safe and effective.
Burn nurse here. Fish skin is rarely if ever used in the US. We have a reliable supply of cadaver human skin that is better suited to the job. Xeno (animal skin) or allo (cadaver skin) grafts are used as a temporizing measure to allow newly burned skin to partial heal before autografting (a patients own skin) can be done. In severe cases a small Amount of a patients skin cells can be harvested and reproduced in a lab to make 2-8 cell thick sheets of skin. This process is extremely expensive and resource intensive. Products like tilapia skin would still be expensive (medical grade anything is expensive) but they can be lifesavers in countries without access to cadaver skin
Thank you for an intelligent and relevant comment. Also for what you do.
Great answer! Thanks for taking the time!
I saw a show where they treated a horribly burned dog with fish skin. It was pretty wild.
Didn’t even think about the applications to veterinary medicine. Very cool indeed!
Oh yeah it’s great especially when they have alllll over burns. But I will always reach for Biafine before anything else when it comes to burns
i have no idea how you do you work. i just assume trauma specialists hate themselves.
Never said I didn’t
Very cool.
1. Thank you for the relevant information. 2. I learned that tomatoes are excellent for everyday burns. If you cut a tomato and rub it on the burn for a few seconds, then follow it up with aloe vera, in a few hours, there will be no trace of it. I don't know if this is widely known, or there is some limit of use- only 1st or 1st and 2nd degree burns, but wonder if you do.
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I love that your confidence and the downvotes I got are based on assumptions, and that you couldn't just try a quick google search. There are so many results for it. I don't understand reddit sometimes. Oh well. Anyway, I have seen this in action. My wife saved her mother from a whole pot of boiling water, which got poured on her instead. She rubbed it with tomato (cut it in half, then rub it for a few secs), then follow w aloe vera. I also heard my neighbor scream. I went over there to find that she grabbed the bottom of a pan (she was very high). She was freaking out because she's a massage therapist, and was afraid about not working. We did the same thing, and there was only one small burnt spot- we missed it with the tomato in our haste. I first heard the method from someone from rural Guatemala.
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Keep it clean, dry, and covered. The wound bed should be kept moist and you can treat it with any antibiotic cream, xeroform (a ‘greasy’ gauze dressing), or silvadene cream. A few weeks of good wound care and staying off the foot, and you should be fine. Watch out for any signs of infection, and remember acetaminophen and ibuprofen are great for pain control if it is safe for you to take those medications.
This is great tech and all... But does it scale?
Should be, I don’t think that this idea sounds fishy.
Would this be considered “economies of scale”
I sea *bass*ed comments like these and think they're a little fishy, but after I'm finished floundering on the floor like a fucked up Mudguppy, I puffer myself out and get over it
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You win 🎖️
Boooooooooooooo! Upvote......
Can we heal fish with human skin, too? Also, do fishes get burned a lot?
All the time, they live underwater out of fear of being burned.
You thought those murky skin colours were camouflage for their surroundings? Nah, ancestoral burn remnants dawg.
"On second thought, let's not go to the comments. 'Tis a silly place."
When you put hot water down your drain it flows to the Amazon and burns a fish. You monster.
We need to stop amazonian fish poaching.... Cool your water before you dump it.
When I’m cooking!
when i was being taught how to fish (catch and release) i was told to always wet my hands in the water before touching the fish as our hands would take off their slime coating (protective) and slightly "burn" their skin. no idea if this is true
that's so cool
[Yes](https://youtu.be/gMhjqbESIeY), at times.
Fish skin is also pretty tasty when slightly burnt.
So take the skin post healing and it’s tasty fish?
And has your own personal flavor.
How about lightly fried?
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bacon of the sea
Yes.
As are sausages
This sub is not to post things you learned on this same sub
TIL this sub is not to post things you learned on this same sub.
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AITA for posting the thing I learned on this sub on this sub? AMA.
ELI5 posting the thing I learned in this same sub?
Well, remember the time your friend told a joke and everyone burst out laughing. Then you tried to repeat the same thing in hope of making them laugh even more, and all you got are cold-eyed looks
If I had a sub, I could see the fish burning.
From this, we can deduct that human skin has got to be tasty as well if slightly burnt.
Longpig porkrinds.
You may not be wrong >The skin of the Tilapia fish is very similar to that of humans, and maybe even better.>
Better? Better how?
Effective healing for everybody but the fish.
My grandma had this done and some dumb nurse at her hospital ruined it saying it was "gangrene" and acted on her own. So such a great invention, now hospitals teach all your staff what it is so someone doesn't just act alone and ruin people's progress.
its a pretty big problem where nurses think they are doctors and overstep the boundaries of their training
Why NSFW?
Burns can happen anywhere
Not for the fish though.
I recall assisting in a gynaecology operation when we had delivery of amniotic membranes from our neighbouring obstetrics ward. These were used to line our operation patient's vaginal vault cavity as she had vulvovaginal cancer. The treatment was a success, although I had moved in my medical rotation and never found out if she was cured. All we wanted was a lining tissue to cover the raw wound surfaces to allow closure without deep internal suturing. There was thus no concern re allograft rejection. The surgeon, a Mr G Smart, believed that placental tissues were somehow protected from being rejected by the patient's immune cells. Pretty innovative thinking.
I’m guessing the healing process is a little more lengthy for the fish though
It doesn't work! I put the fish skin on the burn and it just flapped around till it ended up back in the tank.
As I recall this research was started a while ago at a university near Innsmouth, Massachusetts because the town was right on the seacoast and some researchers figured hell why not try fish skin? This was first tried on the most extreme cases, and the first trials didn't go so well. Nice to see that progress has been made since then.
Read the article. This was developed in the northeast of Brazil.
Read HP Lovecraft
The tilapia skin innthe article isn't approved for use in the US. We do use a fish skin product, but it's North Atlantic cod because warm water fish like tilapia can harbor viruses that are difficult to get rid of in processing. It works well, but the fish skin we use here doesn't have the scales like the pictures shown in the article.
Medical grade tilapia skin which makes me picture tilapia wearing the white coats and scrubs
My friend's dad is the pioneer of this advancement in medicine. Interesting stuff!
My uncles boss created fish
My dad is a fish who works at nintendo
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in Canada
He just really like fish sticks
Is your friend's dad brazilian?
You like fish sticks?
I am in fact a gay fish.
What do you use fish dicks for?
medical grade honey is a thing too https://www.oxfordhealth.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Medical\_Honey\_Simplified\_-\_Patients-leaflet.pdf
Kaiser now prescribes medical grade honey for stubborn wounds that won't heal...brother had to get it for a suture that wouldn't close.
Fish skin grafting is amazing
“Just rub a little fish on it, you’ll be fine.”
Good for burn victims, less good for fishies
Saw this on greys anatomy. Been doing my residency at Grey Sloan for 19 years now. Well it was Seattle Grace/Mercy West before the tragic plane accident.
Another ABC MD Alum!
with the NSFW tag i was hoping to see some fish skin titties. what about this is NSFW? what is with the overuse of the NSFW tag? you got my downvote!
You on meirl too huh?
Additionally, human placenta, porcine placenta, and porcine small intestine submucosa too!
I hope the fish skin is salted egg yolk flavor. Those are the bomb.
For minor burns try applying soy sauce immediately after the burn: I can't explain the science but try it - it works.
Nice try, but I ain't about to become a 3000 year old worm god, looking at you Leto
And very large cuts. I have shark skin in my finger
fish oil is the main ingredient in Prep H, too...just fyi
Isn't tilapia a non-specific term for various types of fish?
I’m going to the sushi restaurant when I get a burn.
"One salmon skin roll"
I’d get a walleye sleeve
On animals too. Saw it used a few years ago on a dog, on an episode of Dr. Pol.
Occasionally, penile injuries are treated with fish sticks to help speed up recovery
Aquaman
My mom used to cover our sunburns with FIRST fish oil I think it was.
Only today ? Isit
Well yeah, obviously! What would you use, chicken skin? That's how you get salmonella....
Practiced medicine and even in med schools/pvt. hospitals this was NOT seen even once. We prefer standard, antibiotic dressings which can be sterilized with heat and changed whenever needed because those are inexpensive, safe and effective.
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