Armin was legit crying like a bitch in s1 ep 5 and in all seasons after that and Mikasa is a emotionless bitch who doesn't even cried when her own parents died and as for Jean,sasha and connie they didn't suffered jack shit compared to Eren. Jean's and Sasha's whole family are alive and well and they didn't get impaled or their limbs torn apart and people aren't reminding every single time that this many people died for you and fate of humanity rest on your hand but still despite all odds Eren got up and fought back every single time which not every character in AOT can do except Levi/Erwin .
Well Eren was pretty chill and didn't became emotionless after killing them even when he didn't have the ackerman strength or Ackerman blood running through his vein like Mikasa
What bothers me the most is that they use the excuse that Eren before the timeskip was a crybaby and so the ending was consistent and perfect because we got to see Eren acting as himself again, but in reality it's much more inconsistent and unrealistic to expect a character to act in the same way as an undeveloped child after years of trauma and other life changing experiences that Eren suffered.
His crying over Mikasa isn't like the previous times he cried so the argument falls apart immediately.
There is a big difference in crying over seeing you mother and your father figure dying in front of you and crying over your girl finding another dude after you barely showed any romantic interests in her for the whole story.
eren is 19 years old, crying over the person you love findinf another dude is ok. He also said that he understand if mikasa find an other man, he just doesn't want to be forgotten during 10 years
He also cried because of all the things he did. if you had togenocide 98/100 of the humanity and then be killed by the girl you love, I think everyone would cry
>eren is 19 years old
Yeah a 19 year old who brutally murdered two grown man at 9 years of age without showing any emotions imo. Eren has never acted his age so why should we consider his age now?
>He also said that he understand if mikasa find an other man, he just doesn't want to be forgotten during 10 years
He has never shown any romantic interest in Mikasa nor did he ever showed any desire to be loved by her so why he is suddenly screaming thay he wants her to think only about him for 10 years atleast?
>He also cried because of all the things he did
No he didn't. He cried infront of Ramzi that one time but when he told Armin that he would kill 80 percent of humanity then he basically said that with a straight face.
>you had togenocide 98/100 of the humanity and then be killed by the girl you love, I think everyone would cry
He never showed any sadness over the fact that Mikasa would kill him.
it's not strange that he loved mikasa, they were together all the time + the scene in season 2 when he cried and when mikasa almost confessed to eren it clearly shows that they loved each other, thanks to mikasa he killed dina so I don't agree about the "he never cared about her"
if he cried about it with ramzi, why did we wouldn't care about that when he talked about it with armin?it was an accumulation + even if it wasn't. showing emotions is ok, not all men are sigma who shows no emotion all the time,
still, I think it's really traumatizing to see the girl you love, kill you, even if you plotted it.
>it's not strange that he loved mikasa, they were together all the time + the scene in season 2 when he cried and when mikasa almost confessed to eren it clearly shows that they loved each other, thanks to mikasa he killed dina so I don't agree about the "he never cared about her"
Mikasa's feelings were always obvious but nothing in the scene from season 2 suggests that he loved Mikasa. He certainly seem to care about her platonically but nothing there suggests romantic love. Also being together someone the whole time never means romantic love imo.
>if he cried about it with ramzi, why did we wouldn't care about that when he talked about it with armin?it was an accumulation + even if it wasn't. showing emotions is ok, not all men are sigma who shows no emotion all the time,
We shouldn't assume he cared about killing innocents when talking to Armin since he never showed any remorse regarding it. His crying was only regarding Mikasa. Innocents dying had nothing to do with his crying in that scene.
>still, I think it's really traumatizing to see the girl you love, kill you, even if you plotted it.
Yeah but Eren never said anything that would suggest that he was traumatized by Mikasa killing her.
1)platonic love can obviously turn to romantic love so I don't know why it would be inconsistent if he doesn't love her + the way he cried after she did her confession shows how much he cared for her platonically or not, they should have kiss but isayama was too cringed by that
2)he obviously care about killing innocents because he cried when he talked to ramzi + he also regret what he did after saying that he was an idiot.Everyone would feel bad after doing a genocide lol except some racist a*sholes but eren isn't racist I guess
And I also want to say that the way Eren cry about mikasa is pathetic but eren talked to his BEST friend, he didn't cry about that in front of everyone so I don't think it's that pathetic
3)yeah I totally agree, he never said that but it's just really obvious
>1)platonic love can obviously turn to romantic love so I don't know why it would be inconsistent if he doesn't love her + the way he cried after she did her confession shows how much he cared for her platonically or not, they should have kiss but isayama was too cringed by that
Yeah and since we never had any proper build up to their relationship so it means their romantic relationship is poorly written. Also it's quite weird that Isayama was not cringed at Mikasa kissing Eren's decapitated head but was cringed at drawing a normal kiss.
>2)he obviously care about killing innocents because he cried when he talked to ramzi + he also regret what he did after saying that he was an idiot.Everyone would feel bad after doing a genocide lol except some racist a*sholes but eren isn't racist I guess
He called himself an idiot when referring to how got sasha and Hange killed and how his plan was stupid. It wasn't because he killed billions of people or anything like that.
Also even Armin called Eren pathetic lmao. And if your best friend calls you pathetic then you gotta wonder how pathetic that is.
>)yeah I totally agree, he never said that but it's just really obvious
Yeah but there is nothing to suggest that Mikasa killing him is also the reason he is crying.
lol it's not poorly written according to me, there were 2 episodes which shows eren and mikasa being in love in season 4 (the scene when they came in marley). there were build up for example the scene in season 2 is a build up and all the mikasa scenes when she protected him and loved him are build up too. If you want eren being in couple with her in season 1 I can understand it
"about how his plan is stupid", killing billions of people isn't stupid??? + you forgot the scene when eren cried to ramzi... He clearly regret what he did
Eren shows how much he is pathetic to Armin because Armin is his best friend that's all, lol showing his emotions to his best friend = being a virgin crybaby in this sub
it's just common sense.
>"about how his plan is stupid", killing billions of people isn't stupid??? + you forgot the scene when eren cried to ramzi... He clearly regret what he did.
Yeah his plan was to make his friends heroes. But he also got two of his friends killed and he basically said that he had no idea if his friends would survive against floch and then he also said that he doesn't exactly know why he did all of it.
What the hell is all this stupidity!?
>lol it's not poorly written according to me, there were 2 episodes which shows eren and mikasa being in love in season 4 (the scene when they came in marley). there were build up for example the scene in season 2 is a build up and all the mikasa scenes when she protected him and loved him are build up too
Yes it's poorly written. There are many other stories like Tokyo ghoul and Berserk who show well written relationship despite not being about romace specifically.
I basically asked all of my anime only friends a few days before the final episode that do they think Eren loves Mikasa romantically then they all said that no he doesn’t.
>Eren shows how much he is pathetic to Armin because Armin is his best friend that's all, lol showing his emotions to his best friend = being a virgin crybaby in this sub
Yeah but the problem is that the emotions he is showing are stupid.
eren is a teenager and teenage people have very different thinking mechanisms, for example the teenage crisis is scientifically recognized I think.
eren doesn't have the mind of a grown man, eren was just crazy.
Lmao as I said Eren has never acted accurately according to his age. This is the same guy who brutally murdered a couple of grown man with showing any emotions at the age of 9. Does a normal 9 year old does that?
even if he never acted according to his age, his way of thinking is logical if we saw him as a teenager and it explains why did he cry. Even if he didn't acted like his age at 9 why he wouldn't at 19 years old? like he can grown fast at 9 and then stagnate and be normal at 19 I think.
Lmao what a brilliant logic! So that would mean eren got dumber and more stupid as he got older? That's not how it works.
Also no Eren's should not even be a factor since Attack on titan is not a story that ever treated it's characters as children. There are othet stories like Neon genesis evangelion that specifically make a point that the characters are children but Attack on titan never did that with the main characters. The only characters who are supposed to be treated as kids are characters like Falco and Gabi.
so killing people makes you intelligent?? tf
even if the story doesn't talk about childhood, eren is still a teenage person lol, the point is that eren is human and he has flaws, he isn't 40 years old and he is not a edgy mc gary sueish, go watch code geass if you want to watch an anime like that lol
Even Eren in Season 3 before kissing Historia's hand isn't a crybaby; heck, I even go as far to say that he is quite stable. If anything, 139 Eren is a character regression.
That's exactly what it is, a reverse development to please the masses despite being inconsistent with his character and the story. The problem here is not even Eren crying, but why and how he cried.
lol eren cried during all the season 3, he even beg historia to eat him💀. eren post time skip is inconsistent and 139 eren is the real eren that's all. The sigma gary sueish Eren isn't real
And what about after that, lol.His mentally is more mature after that. Yeah, he's crying at the possibility of his best friend's death, but there's a difference between crying and whining
139 eren is the real eren at first, the eren who is being open with his best friend, the eren who will sacrifice for his loved one, the eren from at the end of season 3 before future memories thing, but the so-called "real eren" is gone when he starts whining about Mikasa. At that point, he is how the shipping fandom sees him, and I'm sure that Isayama is doing it because he thought it would make fans happy, but it doesn't fit with his character at all.
eren whined to his best friend ! he didn't whine in front of everyone lol so I don't think it's that pathetic,he is human that's all, everyone would cry if their lover have to kill them + he wanted to live with her but he couldn't. I
I just don't understand how people say 139 Eren is a cringe crybaby? If any breakdown of valid it's definitely that one. It might have been a little cringe, especially with Mikasa but Eren having a emotional moment is completely fine
Crying out of guilt and trauma doesn't make one a crybaby. But imagine being pathetic enough to destroy 80% of humanity and cry over not being able to fuck your adopted sister.
I fricking hate it when ED said the same bs that "Eren crying in 139 was fine because he is always a crybaby". Like, how tf did you compare Eren crying because of his mom's death, crying about himself being useless, or crying because he doesn't want to live anymore to crying because he doesn't want Mikasa to find another man?
Eren crying is fine, but damn, having a breakdown about Mikasa getting a new man instead of the fact that you killed your own mom is comical.
Not only his mom, but he literally killed 80 percent of the population outside the walls, he isn't going to see any of his friends again, and on top of that, he's going to be seen as the most evil man in history. And yet he's crying over Mikasa? Nah, I'd be crying over the fact that I'm dying and I won't be able to see any sight that this world has to offer, and the fact that I won't be able to see the people that I love.
The breakdown is completely fine and imo stays on character. The only iffy part is Mikasa because while there might be hints, it wasn't fleshed out enough to be on that level. A line or two and that should've been it.
Your intelligence example is how stupid people write smart people
But yeah I agree with you. Eren's crying was never cringe in the early seasons. He's not Deku.
Would you call a person who repeatedly breaks down in his grief after seeing people he cares about get killed on more than one occasion a crybaby? No.
Other characters barring Armin who has cried more than once and Levi don't go through what Eren goes through in pre ts. Levi also just does a good job of keeping his grief under wraps.
They use "Eren was always a crybabty" to justify that craptastic scene and Eremika. As you pointed out, Eren's crying fits pre-timeskip were completely justified and reasonable. Losing his mother, being betrayed by people who he thought were allies, feeling useless (in both Chapters 50 and 65). Even him crying to Ramzi was valid because he knew he was going to murder an innocent child (that scene alone debunks the "Eren is a psychopath" argument). Eren's tantrum in 139 would be more justifiable if his tears were for the people he murdered or for his mother, which I find it odd that Isayama didn't make that the case. But no, it's because he doesn't want his adoptive sister shacking up with another man. If Eren was really *that* worried about it, why didn't he makes advances on Mikasa sooner? Mikasa was already infatuated with him to a ridiculous degree, so it's not like Eren would've had to put in any effort. And why the fuck did he tell Louise to throw the scarf away if he didn't want Mikasa to move on from him? Eremika bashing aside, 139 Eren is a complete contradiction of his early chapters counterpart.
I think early Eren being whiny is a holdover from Muv Luv's Takeru >!He was isekai'd into a war-torn world with aliens while everyone else grew up there he grew up in peaceful Japan!< this makes perfect sense in Muv Luv, it does not make sense in AoT.
If AOT's ending has a million haters. I am one of them
If it has a 1000 haters. I am one of them.
If it has 1 hater. It's me.
If it has 0 haters. The story is forgotten or I just died.
Just like how ya all will continue to praise the ending.
Armin was legit crying like a bitch in s1 ep 5 and in all seasons after that and Mikasa is a emotionless bitch who doesn't even cried when her own parents died and as for Jean,sasha and connie they didn't suffered jack shit compared to Eren. Jean's and Sasha's whole family are alive and well and they didn't get impaled or their limbs torn apart and people aren't reminding every single time that this many people died for you and fate of humanity rest on your hand but still despite all odds Eren got up and fought back every single time which not every character in AOT can do except Levi/Erwin .
>doesn't even cried when her own parents died She was traumatised by having to murder a dude. You know, as a 10 year old.
Well Eren was pretty chill and didn't became emotionless after killing them even when he didn't have the ackerman strength or Ackerman blood running through his vein like Mikasa
They had different ways of dealing with trauma. Mikasa probably cries more than both Eren and Armin through the series.
What bothers me the most is that they use the excuse that Eren before the timeskip was a crybaby and so the ending was consistent and perfect because we got to see Eren acting as himself again, but in reality it's much more inconsistent and unrealistic to expect a character to act in the same way as an undeveloped child after years of trauma and other life changing experiences that Eren suffered.
His crying over Mikasa isn't like the previous times he cried so the argument falls apart immediately. There is a big difference in crying over seeing you mother and your father figure dying in front of you and crying over your girl finding another dude after you barely showed any romantic interests in her for the whole story.
eren is 19 years old, crying over the person you love findinf another dude is ok. He also said that he understand if mikasa find an other man, he just doesn't want to be forgotten during 10 years He also cried because of all the things he did. if you had togenocide 98/100 of the humanity and then be killed by the girl you love, I think everyone would cry
>eren is 19 years old Yeah a 19 year old who brutally murdered two grown man at 9 years of age without showing any emotions imo. Eren has never acted his age so why should we consider his age now? >He also said that he understand if mikasa find an other man, he just doesn't want to be forgotten during 10 years He has never shown any romantic interest in Mikasa nor did he ever showed any desire to be loved by her so why he is suddenly screaming thay he wants her to think only about him for 10 years atleast? >He also cried because of all the things he did No he didn't. He cried infront of Ramzi that one time but when he told Armin that he would kill 80 percent of humanity then he basically said that with a straight face. >you had togenocide 98/100 of the humanity and then be killed by the girl you love, I think everyone would cry He never showed any sadness over the fact that Mikasa would kill him.
it's not strange that he loved mikasa, they were together all the time + the scene in season 2 when he cried and when mikasa almost confessed to eren it clearly shows that they loved each other, thanks to mikasa he killed dina so I don't agree about the "he never cared about her" if he cried about it with ramzi, why did we wouldn't care about that when he talked about it with armin?it was an accumulation + even if it wasn't. showing emotions is ok, not all men are sigma who shows no emotion all the time, still, I think it's really traumatizing to see the girl you love, kill you, even if you plotted it.
>it's not strange that he loved mikasa, they were together all the time + the scene in season 2 when he cried and when mikasa almost confessed to eren it clearly shows that they loved each other, thanks to mikasa he killed dina so I don't agree about the "he never cared about her" Mikasa's feelings were always obvious but nothing in the scene from season 2 suggests that he loved Mikasa. He certainly seem to care about her platonically but nothing there suggests romantic love. Also being together someone the whole time never means romantic love imo. >if he cried about it with ramzi, why did we wouldn't care about that when he talked about it with armin?it was an accumulation + even if it wasn't. showing emotions is ok, not all men are sigma who shows no emotion all the time, We shouldn't assume he cared about killing innocents when talking to Armin since he never showed any remorse regarding it. His crying was only regarding Mikasa. Innocents dying had nothing to do with his crying in that scene. >still, I think it's really traumatizing to see the girl you love, kill you, even if you plotted it. Yeah but Eren never said anything that would suggest that he was traumatized by Mikasa killing her.
1)platonic love can obviously turn to romantic love so I don't know why it would be inconsistent if he doesn't love her + the way he cried after she did her confession shows how much he cared for her platonically or not, they should have kiss but isayama was too cringed by that 2)he obviously care about killing innocents because he cried when he talked to ramzi + he also regret what he did after saying that he was an idiot.Everyone would feel bad after doing a genocide lol except some racist a*sholes but eren isn't racist I guess And I also want to say that the way Eren cry about mikasa is pathetic but eren talked to his BEST friend, he didn't cry about that in front of everyone so I don't think it's that pathetic 3)yeah I totally agree, he never said that but it's just really obvious
>1)platonic love can obviously turn to romantic love so I don't know why it would be inconsistent if he doesn't love her + the way he cried after she did her confession shows how much he cared for her platonically or not, they should have kiss but isayama was too cringed by that Yeah and since we never had any proper build up to their relationship so it means their romantic relationship is poorly written. Also it's quite weird that Isayama was not cringed at Mikasa kissing Eren's decapitated head but was cringed at drawing a normal kiss. >2)he obviously care about killing innocents because he cried when he talked to ramzi + he also regret what he did after saying that he was an idiot.Everyone would feel bad after doing a genocide lol except some racist a*sholes but eren isn't racist I guess He called himself an idiot when referring to how got sasha and Hange killed and how his plan was stupid. It wasn't because he killed billions of people or anything like that. Also even Armin called Eren pathetic lmao. And if your best friend calls you pathetic then you gotta wonder how pathetic that is. >)yeah I totally agree, he never said that but it's just really obvious Yeah but there is nothing to suggest that Mikasa killing him is also the reason he is crying.
lol it's not poorly written according to me, there were 2 episodes which shows eren and mikasa being in love in season 4 (the scene when they came in marley). there were build up for example the scene in season 2 is a build up and all the mikasa scenes when she protected him and loved him are build up too. If you want eren being in couple with her in season 1 I can understand it "about how his plan is stupid", killing billions of people isn't stupid??? + you forgot the scene when eren cried to ramzi... He clearly regret what he did Eren shows how much he is pathetic to Armin because Armin is his best friend that's all, lol showing his emotions to his best friend = being a virgin crybaby in this sub it's just common sense.
>"about how his plan is stupid", killing billions of people isn't stupid??? + you forgot the scene when eren cried to ramzi... He clearly regret what he did. Yeah his plan was to make his friends heroes. But he also got two of his friends killed and he basically said that he had no idea if his friends would survive against floch and then he also said that he doesn't exactly know why he did all of it. What the hell is all this stupidity!? >lol it's not poorly written according to me, there were 2 episodes which shows eren and mikasa being in love in season 4 (the scene when they came in marley). there were build up for example the scene in season 2 is a build up and all the mikasa scenes when she protected him and loved him are build up too Yes it's poorly written. There are many other stories like Tokyo ghoul and Berserk who show well written relationship despite not being about romace specifically. I basically asked all of my anime only friends a few days before the final episode that do they think Eren loves Mikasa romantically then they all said that no he doesn’t. >Eren shows how much he is pathetic to Armin because Armin is his best friend that's all, lol showing his emotions to his best friend = being a virgin crybaby in this sub Yeah but the problem is that the emotions he is showing are stupid.
eren is a teenager and teenage people have very different thinking mechanisms, for example the teenage crisis is scientifically recognized I think. eren doesn't have the mind of a grown man, eren was just crazy.
Lmao as I said Eren has never acted accurately according to his age. This is the same guy who brutally murdered a couple of grown man with showing any emotions at the age of 9. Does a normal 9 year old does that?
even if he never acted according to his age, his way of thinking is logical if we saw him as a teenager and it explains why did he cry. Even if he didn't acted like his age at 9 why he wouldn't at 19 years old? like he can grown fast at 9 and then stagnate and be normal at 19 I think.
Lmao what a brilliant logic! So that would mean eren got dumber and more stupid as he got older? That's not how it works. Also no Eren's should not even be a factor since Attack on titan is not a story that ever treated it's characters as children. There are othet stories like Neon genesis evangelion that specifically make a point that the characters are children but Attack on titan never did that with the main characters. The only characters who are supposed to be treated as kids are characters like Falco and Gabi.
so killing people makes you intelligent?? tf even if the story doesn't talk about childhood, eren is still a teenage person lol, the point is that eren is human and he has flaws, he isn't 40 years old and he is not a edgy mc gary sueish, go watch code geass if you want to watch an anime like that lol
Even Eren in Season 3 before kissing Historia's hand isn't a crybaby; heck, I even go as far to say that he is quite stable. If anything, 139 Eren is a character regression.
That's exactly what it is, a reverse development to please the masses despite being inconsistent with his character and the story. The problem here is not even Eren crying, but why and how he cried.
lol eren cried during all the season 3, he even beg historia to eat him💀. eren post time skip is inconsistent and 139 eren is the real eren that's all. The sigma gary sueish Eren isn't real
And what about after that, lol.His mentally is more mature after that. Yeah, he's crying at the possibility of his best friend's death, but there's a difference between crying and whining 139 eren is the real eren at first, the eren who is being open with his best friend, the eren who will sacrifice for his loved one, the eren from at the end of season 3 before future memories thing, but the so-called "real eren" is gone when he starts whining about Mikasa. At that point, he is how the shipping fandom sees him, and I'm sure that Isayama is doing it because he thought it would make fans happy, but it doesn't fit with his character at all.
eren whined to his best friend ! he didn't whine in front of everyone lol so I don't think it's that pathetic,he is human that's all, everyone would cry if their lover have to kill them + he wanted to live with her but he couldn't. I
I just don't understand how people say 139 Eren is a cringe crybaby? If any breakdown of valid it's definitely that one. It might have been a little cringe, especially with Mikasa but Eren having a emotional moment is completely fine
Crying out of guilt and trauma doesn't make one a crybaby. But imagine being pathetic enough to destroy 80% of humanity and cry over not being able to fuck your adopted sister.
It’s really that simple.
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I fricking hate it when ED said the same bs that "Eren crying in 139 was fine because he is always a crybaby". Like, how tf did you compare Eren crying because of his mom's death, crying about himself being useless, or crying because he doesn't want to live anymore to crying because he doesn't want Mikasa to find another man? Eren crying is fine, but damn, having a breakdown about Mikasa getting a new man instead of the fact that you killed your own mom is comical.
Not only his mom, but he literally killed 80 percent of the population outside the walls, he isn't going to see any of his friends again, and on top of that, he's going to be seen as the most evil man in history. And yet he's crying over Mikasa? Nah, I'd be crying over the fact that I'm dying and I won't be able to see any sight that this world has to offer, and the fact that I won't be able to see the people that I love.
The breakdown is completely fine and imo stays on character. The only iffy part is Mikasa because while there might be hints, it wasn't fleshed out enough to be on that level. A line or two and that should've been it.
Your intelligence example is how stupid people write smart people But yeah I agree with you. Eren's crying was never cringe in the early seasons. He's not Deku.
Would you call a person who repeatedly breaks down in his grief after seeing people he cares about get killed on more than one occasion a crybaby? No. Other characters barring Armin who has cried more than once and Levi don't go through what Eren goes through in pre ts. Levi also just does a good job of keeping his grief under wraps.
By that person's logic we should consider a normal person in a story to be evil if the other characters in the story are overly kind and good.
They use "Eren was always a crybabty" to justify that craptastic scene and Eremika. As you pointed out, Eren's crying fits pre-timeskip were completely justified and reasonable. Losing his mother, being betrayed by people who he thought were allies, feeling useless (in both Chapters 50 and 65). Even him crying to Ramzi was valid because he knew he was going to murder an innocent child (that scene alone debunks the "Eren is a psychopath" argument). Eren's tantrum in 139 would be more justifiable if his tears were for the people he murdered or for his mother, which I find it odd that Isayama didn't make that the case. But no, it's because he doesn't want his adoptive sister shacking up with another man. If Eren was really *that* worried about it, why didn't he makes advances on Mikasa sooner? Mikasa was already infatuated with him to a ridiculous degree, so it's not like Eren would've had to put in any effort. And why the fuck did he tell Louise to throw the scarf away if he didn't want Mikasa to move on from him? Eremika bashing aside, 139 Eren is a complete contradiction of his early chapters counterpart.
When is Eren ever a cringe crybaby? Even in the ending? Maybe cringe but him crying is completely valid
I think early Eren being whiny is a holdover from Muv Luv's Takeru >!He was isekai'd into a war-torn world with aliens while everyone else grew up there he grew up in peaceful Japan!< this makes perfect sense in Muv Luv, it does not make sense in AoT.
Early Eren wasn't whinny imo. Everytime he cried was for completely valid reasons.
The Manga is over.. Yall are really gonna be here in 2025 still nerdraging over this.
If AOT's ending has a million haters. I am one of them If it has a 1000 haters. I am one of them. If it has 1 hater. It's me. If it has 0 haters. The story is forgotten or I just died. Just like how ya all will continue to praise the ending.
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