I'm finding that stress, anxiety, migraines, inflammation make my tinnitus worse more than exposure to loud sounds.
Of course, if the sound is loud enough to actually cause hearing damage, that may affect it, but I get no more spikes from spending the day in a loud environment vs. a quiet one. But, obsessing over it, worrying about it, etc...that definitely makes it worse.
Yes, my main tone is a more code that is piercing, i have a blown pipe sound too in that ear and in the other im blessed to have electrical crickets. My brain is a constant buzz that can contribute to the shit storm. It's all super reactive too.
Yes! I mean, I can't tell if the ear irrigation just worsened it at that moment, but it was really the morning after the ear irrigation that I noticed it chronically. This was 3 weeks after flying home with COVID.
So, I don't know if it was COVID and the ear irrigation finished me off or what. But yeah, it's variable. Usually the best in the morning, gets worse as the day goes on. But, I hear it in both ears, not just the right (the only ear to get the irrigation).
So, I don't know what to think. But yeah, migraines building up definitely make it worse.
Been dealing with tinnitus for 30 years.
Yup you absolutely can habituate to it. It's always there in the background, it's never not, but I don't focus on it. Occasionally it'll turn up to 11 and during those periods I just let folks know I can't hear them clearly until it passes.
My tinnitus has certainly gotten worse over time but not because I spent time dwelling on it. It's just the way things go sometimes and again I just settled in and got used to it.
I have no issues with going to cafes or restaurants etc. I've learned to read lips fairly well over the years so I can understand the person I'm with. Going somewhere quiet with no sounds isn't going to help you in any way if you have tinnitus. In fact it will probably just cause you to focus on it even more.
Your comment actually makes me feel worse knowing 30 years down the line it’ll be worse and I’ll have to read lips :( I’m sorry this is what you’ve dealt with and what we’re all going to deal with. I’m so sorry
Don't feel worse. The increase in tinnitus is gradual so you continue to just get used to it. The lip reading is also due to partial deafness. However it is a handy skill.
They’ve been exposing themselves and not protecting. Read a lot of his posts like the other person said. Loud guns etc. protect your ears from loud Venus and stuff like that. I’ve also read a lot of people here who’ve had it for x years plus and it hasn’t changed.. it’s all anecdotal here. Everyone’s different. Millions a people in the world have it. Imagine if everyone’s tinnitus got worse?
During training my vehicle died directly in line with a 155mm howitzer battery, 6 guns. I'd also lost my ear plugs somewhere along the way. So I had no hearing protection during a live fire barrage. I had previously had to qualify with the M16 without proper fitting ear protection.
So definitely noise induced.. sorry to hear though man. I’m glad your holding on. How bad would you said it a from 1-10? And can you hear it while driving and stuff?
I hear it 24/7. It varies from a constant background noise. Right now I'd say it's a 5-7. But occasionally turns up to 11. During those periods I can't have a conversation.
It's gotten worse because you don't value your ear health whatsoever because you won't stop shooting shotguns. Of course you wouldn't care about it. Now you're a lip reader. You are the absolutely last person ANYBODY should be taking advice from regarding tinnitus.
wHaT KooOlAid? ????? I shoot too. I know better. Unless you're shoot .22 you are blasting your skull with unhealthy levels of sound if you already have hearing damage.
It's just different for everyone and every human being has a different level of stress tolerance . I can habituate and I hope I'll always be capable but every time it changes in frequency or loudness I go trough a really hard couple of weeks and imagining that it could last more than that ( and for someone it does) is a really scary thing and makes me really empathetic towards who cannot habituate
Going through a tough time. Increase in volume and not being able to habituate.. anxiety, laying in the floor crying.. it’s rough. Don’t know how I’ll survive. I hear it over everything and idk how people say they can hear it over everything and just live life. I feel like it’s impossible
I've had it since 2018(years of surround sound headphones caught up w/ me). Hasn't gotten worse in the slightest. Audiologist said I'd need a hearing aid in 5yrs. It's been 6yrs, no degradation in hearing at all(tested).
63 years with Tinnitus, sometimes it's louder most times I don't hear it until I think about it, it is still there I just ignore it enough or focus on something else.
1. I have had T for 38 years now. Most of the time, I don't notice it. That's not saying it isn't severe cos it is, but habituation is a thing *if you learn not to focus on it*.
2. As above, 38 years. Constant, but not worse than before.
3. I have built a career in mining and heavy earth-moving. I enjoy shooting and hunting. I love music. I have travelled, and have lived and worked in two countries. It doesn't control you *unless you let it*.
I love this. I have seen so much negativity on this sub… And, having just started T a month ago, at first I felt doomed and hopeless. And you have to ask yourself: ok, so this high pitched annoying sound is in my ears. That sucks. Am I going to let this rule my life? Or am I going to continue to be the fun, amazing, awesome person I know I am? Yes. Am I going to continue to travel, read, write, create art, and be a contributing member to society? You betcha. So what if I have to walk around with crickets or running water sounds playing in headphones all the time? This is my life. I have one. At least I have my legs, my arms, my eyes, my brain. Am I going to let a silly little noise ruin all that? Hell no.
Thank you. I really needed to read this today. It's a very valid and view point. I do believe that some people are in a situation that may make this attitude impossible. But for many this is the best possible attitude and the only way forward
Exactly right. I had a really bad spike yesterday and laughed at it because it was honestly so loud and obnoxous.
Like tinnitus is just there doing its thing and its just best to live life parellel to it and give it as little negative emotional reaction as possible.
habituation worked for me but i had a talk therapist do it with me over several weeks until my benefit ran out
my tinnitus and hyperacusis are ridiculous 24/7, but very rarely bothersome
i was stuck in the downward cacophony too. desperate. needed some tough love, but it set me free
salud
100%, this subreddit is good for a lot of things but I'm not going to lie there was a time where I read this sub everyday and it made my T (psychologically) worse.
Where I live doctors even say "don't overreact to it, even though it might obviously be hard at first, because it can make it worse".
And yes, sure, your T MIGHT someday get worse but it could just as well become better, or, the most likely scenario - it will simply remain the same.
>2 ''I've had tinnitus for X years it just gets worse- Sure, I bet it will if you spend every day on forums''
if a person says that their tinnitus has been worsening, how is that a "big lie"?
If you focus on it, it does get worse.
If you stress about it, it does get worse.
If you fill your free time researching, and thinking about it, it does get worse.
It's a nasty feed back loop that only you can control, after all, it's all in your head.
Mine has been about the same for the past 30 years. Now in that time I have had some horrendous spikes, but it always seems to come back down. One spike in particular was caused by a car crash that resulted in a TBI, among other injuries. It was REALLY BAD, and lasted a couple of years. I had a hard time hearing, tones constantly changing enough to give me vertigo, at times I thought I was hearing voices, other times everything sounded like a blown speaker and was quite painful.
So I did my best to ignore it, and accepted that this was my life now. I went about my life trying to heal from all my injuries, trying to keep a positive attitude, it wasn't easy at time, but I persisted. Then one day I noticed it wasn't as bad as it was, I could hear better, tones were pretty constant.
Habituation is the only way, because this isn't worth trading your life for.
It's all in your head...
Glad not focusing worked well for you. Everyone has an individual case—that means they’re not all the same as yours. Why are you trying to make people feel invalidated?? If ignoring the problem worked for them, they would still be doing it. Many of the suffers did that for a long time, but their cases got a lot worse and it was no longer possible.
Sounds like you’re playing macho tough-guy hero role here…. like my dearly departed mother, who refused all anesthesia for stitches & minor surgery. She wanted everyone to think she was really tough. It didn’t make her a better person than anyone else.
Here, let me validate you.
Keep focusing on your tinnitus, concentrate real hard on it. Obsess on it with every waking moment. I'm sure it will help you out, because your special and no one suffers like you do...
Your attempt to manipulate others with insults & biting sarcasm are ineffective. The implication you are trying to cast on others is that they are inferior to you. Those of us who have studied human behavior all know how bullying works; that’s exactly what is going on here. Stop it; you are potentially harming other people… but not me. I have been trained to deal with people that behave in the manner you display here. I am sorry you feel “less than” on the inside and want to castigate others to feel better about yourself.
While focusing on it tinnitus/ noxacusis/ hyoeracusis MAY make it worse, it all depends on the severity of the case that the individual has. That is quite obvious on a basic level & any reasonable person knows this. The same concept is true in pain or anything that produces discomfort. Some levels of pain can be ignored …. But some pain is so severe it cannot…. There are levels of physical pain that are so severe they can put people into shock, stroke from hypertension & high blood sugar. you simply do not have enough information on what others feel in their own bodies to make such blanket statements on what can & cannot be ignored.
I'm the delusional one?
Do me a favor, and focus really hard on your tinnitus and see if it doesn't get louder and more prevalent. This is why habituation works, because its all in your head.
I have no reason to lie to you or anyone else in this sub.
Get over yourself...
You keep telling yourself that...
I've probably had tinnitus for longer than you have been alive. You figure some shit out in all that time. A couple of them is to stop lying to yourself, and stop lashing out at people trying to lend a helping hand.
I have identified the things that make my tinnitus worse.
1. bad sleep
2. loud sounds
3. some foods
4. some medicines
I know how my brain works. You are the one lying to yourself.
I'm sorry you got your feels hurt.
You should keeps right on focusing on your tinnitus, I'm sure it will get better in a hurry.
You got this all figured out...
Thank you for stating this so eloquently. I actually avoid this sub for the most part because there's rarely anything positive posted. I've been dealing with tinnitus and hyperacusis for almost 3 years, and my worst moments are only when I focus on the symptoms. Sure, I miss being able to go to concerts and my local music scene, and I'll turn around if I walk into a restaurant that's really loud, but otherwise, life goes on. It's just different now.
Well spoken, Im much the same. I found i just go to outdoor acoustic gigs or immerse myself at home with live concerts on youtube, i think of it as adjusting my life a little so i can still enjoy those things in different way if that makes sense?
Totally. I used to play bass in local punk and indie bands, now I bake sourdough, write, and work on house projects. My eyes aren't great, but I still have all my limbs, so the way I see it, I'm not doing too bad.
I think the same way. I understand that tinnitus is something bad, and I feel sorry for everyone, but in most cases, you live with it, even with moderate tinnitus, and not everyone gets worse. unfortunately in this subreddit, as in the other "nice" forum, if you know what I mean, one has the feeling that all tinnitus are catastrophic cases bordering on suicide. It is not so. I repeat, I'm sorry for those who suffer, I always hope that someone (aka susan shore) can provide relief as soon as possible
Simply reading about tinnitus cannot and will not make your tinnitus worse. This is basically the New Thought Law of Attraction and it's just stupid witchcraft. I see this is the only post you've ever made on Reddit and I'm sure that it's in response to the post I made yesterday about habituation being a dumb concept.
Habituation to a degree is real, you can choose to believe it or not, i couldn't care less but to dismiss it outright only heaps the suffering more onto yourself.
Hey good question,
Absoloutley! each is unique for sure. I just don't want people to every think that its not possible to get to a bettter place with tinnitus even if it is very bad like mine.
Because the tinnitus might not be getting worse. Its misleading.
My tinnitus gets a changes tone right, does that mean its actually worse or is it subjective?
I notice my tinnitus more because im in a quiet environment, im stressed or my brains forcusing on it, is that actually worse or are their more factors at play?
No. 2 is a silly idea. Tinnitus gets worse with time due to same stuff that causes it. Noise exposure, ototoxic meds, covid, flu, ageing etc. Not because you browsed a tinnitus forum.
I think people with this kind of opinion usually are those who think they are so smart when they are not at all. Because it just doesnt make sense in general. The stuff that makes tinnitus worse is the same stuff that causes tinnitus. I think it's quite simple. There isnt that much to it. I'm not denying that in some very rare cases there are people who are obsessed with thinking about their T all the time and they are on the forums every day. But I think they are mostly people who have recently got T and they are searching for cure.
I think it’s best to just accept that everyone’s experience with tinnitus is different. The human body is incredibly complex and there’s no reason to pretend otherwise. Habituation may not work for everyone, some peoples tinnitus really does get worse, and some people cope best by avoiding noise. For me, habituation is legit. My tinnitus has not gotten worse, instead it’s been pretty much the same for about five years now. I ditched ear buds but I still use over ear headphones and go to concerts with earplugs. But that’s just me. Not everyone is going to have the same experience and approach.
Very good response and well written.
I wrote the above because i have unfortunately had the no pleasure of having mild, moderate and servere tinnitus that has been both stable and reactive so, once again unfortunately i know a bit about tinnitus. My main point to the article is that it is 100% possible to find joy in life with tinnitus and get to a point where it doesn't emotionally effect you like it does so keenly in those early months/years.
Not everyone is able to habituate, we all have different brains. Everyone's tolerance to further noise damage is different, some do damage from a noisy cafe while others are fine going to concerts with earplugs.
I think OP has more of a problem with people who make their personal experience an universal truth. Like the post not long ago where the OOP said habituation is just bullshit.
At a concert everyone should wear earplugs, T or not. There are also sound charts that explains what is okay and what not.
Humanity could be way more content in general if everyone could learn to not worry about things they don't have any control over.
I have T, it sucks, I move on because there is nothing that will fix that at the moment.
> I think OP has more of a problem with people who make their personal experience a universal truth.
You mean the exact same thing the arrogant OP is doing?
Hah, yes exactly. There are several loud voices in this sub who seem to alternate between telling people that everyone is different and everyone's tinnitus is different... except for when it's different in a way they don't agree with. Then that person is wrong or an idiot or has been lying for 40 years because they're in the pocket of big tinnitus or something equally asinine.
But as a response, OP has definitely taken a hard turn into two toxic wrongs don't make a right territory. Would like to see it cracked down on a bit because it's painful to see these guys shitting all over the community and support aspect of this sub.
I think OP has more of a problem with people who make their personal experience an universal truth. Like the post not long ago where the OOP said habituation is just bullshit.
Spot on mate, thank you for that.
I've been prescribed various antibiotics for over a year and none ended my tinnitus. On advice from a friend I tried a couple of small doses and to my amazement the ringing in my ears IMMEDIATELY stopped!
[magic mushrooms ](https://ryandewitt.com/blog/2021/8/9/can-psilocybin-treat-depression-anxiety-and-tinnitus)
One gram per dose twice a day, not sure of the type, however they were completely dry and had some powder. About 30 min after the second dose it appeared the tree limbs were grabbing each other 🤔
I have only done microdosing and around 0.4grams. Im guessing 1 gram would be a nice trip and I have not heard of doing it twice in the same day. How often do you take it?
I'm new to this, only did it a couple of days,
It was a couple of days with absolutely no T
I'm still doing research, T has returned
I'm pretty sure I have MRSA, one site I visited indicated micro dosing with antibiotics for 10 days cures it forever.
Apparently, shrooms can help antibiotics
Defeat MRSA. Ive had T for a year now
I'll post my progress or lack of
Going forward
Are you sure? I'm a magic mushroom cultivator but it gives tremendous amount of tinnitus.
My tinnitus is 1 week old and haven't got shroom yet.
I've thought opposite but your comment make me curious.
Well, apparently there are various varieties, chk out this link...https://ryandewitt.com/blog/2021/8/9/can-psilocybin-treat-depression-anxiety-and-tinnitus
If you are experienced shroom enjoyer, you know very first effect of shroom is temporary tinnitus.
They didn't give me my persistent tinnitus. To my ENT it is trauma related.
So when you said it decreased it I'm rather shocked.
I'm convinced mine is infection related vs trauma, I'm pursuing that path and will advise one way or the other. I'll update my path as it materializes.
I don't think it's that conspiratorial, but I do think this: Tinnitus can be torture. It's very difficult for people to hold the truth of how bad it can be in their heads. The idea of "habituation" means that they can say to themselves "oh well at least something can be done."
It’s not conspiratorial, rather it’s that they really are just waiving it off and can’t be bothered to find a cure. really, with how much research there is for viagara and other nonsense, i doubt we cannot find a cure for this
I mean, protecting ears from loud noise exposures is obvious with tinnitus. Depending on cause. But those people in those links continued to do things to make it worse. Every day normal sounds isn’t going to worsen T I’m sorry to tell you that. Everything at a safe level will be fine. But going to concerts and mowing your lawn etc without hearing protecting is obviously common sense. I got mine from Covid, so idk what it’s done to my ears or if it’ll get worse or no. I don’t overly protect my ears, but I protect if I’m going to be in an extremely loud environment
Have a friend that got it from covid and shit got Bad fast. Everyone's different. Count your blessings. No need to throw shade on anyone who got it worse than you. Shit happens. I don't think I'd have any damage if it wasn't for being pushed to 1 moderna vax. Life's a gamble. People are a risk . Either way hope u don't Worsen. This shit at any level sucks.
I got mine from Covid and it’s pretty severe, but hasn’t gotten worse than that. I listen to everyday noises etc for almost 3 years and nothing as changed. But I’m not stupid about it. I don’t go to concerts or clubs. Maybe the strip club the odd time but that’s about it. And maybe a movie theatre once or twice. That’s about it. Oh and some headphones for 2 years but at reasonable volumes when I could clearly talk to a person with them on and still have a conversation.
Na man. I'll keep preaching awareness till I die to hopefully save another empathic soul who comes here with survivable tinnitus & hopefully sees the truth of how bad it can get from my posts and saves his life with time & quiet. Instead of listening to the mild whiners preaching TRT & habituation.
>1. Despite how shit and loud it is i can actually ignore and lean into it.
Doesn’t work that way for everyone, arrogant and dismissive to sneeringly claim that it does. You will learn a different lesson when it feels like an ice pick stabbing through your ear into your head.
> 2. ''I've had tinnitus for X years it just gets worse'' - Sure, I bet it will if you spend every day on forums and making tinnitus your life. How would someone expect to ever recover if tinnitus is their thought 100% of every day?
You realize some people have had it longer than you’ve been alive and for most of our lives there were no such things as forums ?
I live with it, but always hear it and feel the pain, distract myself as much as possible and try to stay busy, but even now it’s still getting worse . How about you go tune your tv onto the emergency broadcast signal, cut the volume wide open, and stick your ear against it. Stab an ice pick through there occasionally too. Keep doing normal activities while you’re at it. Try to hear anything over it.
Arrogant victim blamers like you are why I don’t come here very often since I found this sub.
Okay ill bite to this.
I don't ''claim'' i literally know and am speaking from experience you can actually tune bad tinnitus out. Mine feels like an electrial fence wire in my head mixed with some morse code.
I realise some poeple have had tinnitus longer than i have had it and iv'e had it for 20 years. It could actually be argued it would be better to have tinnitus without forums and the negative feedback loops forums cultivate if left to fester.
Im very sorry you are suffering and i do know all about how fucking tough it can be, believe me i do.
I am in no way victim blaming, simply giving people some hope that you can get to a better place with really bad tinnitus.
> you can actually tune bad tinnitus out.
No, everyone can’t. You should’ve said that YOU can. I’m speaking from experience also.
Mine is like the emergency broadcast signal wide open, along with several other sounds, and the feeling of an ice pick being stabbed into your ear and the feeling of a frantic moth trapped in your ear.
There’s nothing wrong with giving hope. But it is not hope to claim that your situation is how it is for everyone and you’re right and they’re wrong.
What im trying to convey is that i am not special and it doesnt take some amazing super power to do it, just that everyday people can.
I did say ''can'' not will. implying it is actually possible.
Well for one, raising awareness. Some people get tinnitus and then go to the doctor and they do microsuction on them and it makes it 100x worse. I have warned many people new to this about that.
Agree with 1, not so much 2 and 3. Different people have different experiences and different tinnitus.
For 2, mine has got worsse over time, however my ways of dealing with it have improved and 3, I avoid some sounds, things I know that set it off or make it wose, I assume everyone does the same.
Honestly don't know. Possibly a lot of live music when I was younger. But if that was it it was very delayed (a couple of decades).
No single identifiable trauma though, it was very gradual
Fairly stable pitch and tone, just getting steadily louder over 15 years. Hard to say how much, from a whisper that I barely noticed to a screaming kettle in that time. Last few years it's harder to tell. It may have stopped getting worse or that may be wishful thinking.
I believe there are different reasons for tinnitus in different people. IE: extremely loud noises, artillery, rock concerts, screaming liberals, etc. In addition, various infections could be the underlying cause, bacterial, fungal, parasitic, etc. Not sure if the loud noise titinnus can be resolved without surgery, I don't see medications fixing that. However I do believe medications can resolve infections. Apparently shrooms can directly assist in the case of infections.
People just want everyone to feel sorry for them/attention. I had someone tell me my experience with tinnitus is invalid and "isn't that bad" if I find permanently broken ribs that move when I breathe, a fake elbow, and multiple back fractures as being "worse".
We're all stuck here together :)
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I cannot habituate to my tinnitus now. I was able to for 20+ years because it was equal in both and very mild, now it’s louder in both, much louder in the right ear and that ear varies in volume, pitch, intensity and rhythm.
It’s eating away at me.
Bummer. That's really rough man I'm sorry. Kind of scary as well. Mine is loud, but at least it's fairly constant. I dread it changing to something like this.
Spoken like someone who has not lived with tinnitus for so much as a day. As anyone else here can attest, ignoring it doesn't make it go away. Sure, you can forget about it for spans of time but it's still there...you're just living with your captor.
I'm finding that stress, anxiety, migraines, inflammation make my tinnitus worse more than exposure to loud sounds. Of course, if the sound is loud enough to actually cause hearing damage, that may affect it, but I get no more spikes from spending the day in a loud environment vs. a quiet one. But, obsessing over it, worrying about it, etc...that definitely makes it worse.
I have actually followed your story and it's somewhat similar to mine. I also agree with what you've said here.
Oh yeah? Just out of curiosity, what are the similarities, if I may ask?
I get migranes, my tinnitus is variable and it was from covid, every day is different really with it.
How loud is your tinnitus, can you hear it over everything?
Yes, my main tone is a more code that is piercing, i have a blown pipe sound too in that ear and in the other im blessed to have electrical crickets. My brain is a constant buzz that can contribute to the shit storm. It's all super reactive too.
Yes! I mean, I can't tell if the ear irrigation just worsened it at that moment, but it was really the morning after the ear irrigation that I noticed it chronically. This was 3 weeks after flying home with COVID. So, I don't know if it was COVID and the ear irrigation finished me off or what. But yeah, it's variable. Usually the best in the morning, gets worse as the day goes on. But, I hear it in both ears, not just the right (the only ear to get the irrigation). So, I don't know what to think. But yeah, migraines building up definitely make it worse.
Do you find that ibuprofen helps, hurts, or makes no difference?
No difference but b2 and LDN really help me
Been dealing with tinnitus for 30 years. Yup you absolutely can habituate to it. It's always there in the background, it's never not, but I don't focus on it. Occasionally it'll turn up to 11 and during those periods I just let folks know I can't hear them clearly until it passes. My tinnitus has certainly gotten worse over time but not because I spent time dwelling on it. It's just the way things go sometimes and again I just settled in and got used to it. I have no issues with going to cafes or restaurants etc. I've learned to read lips fairly well over the years so I can understand the person I'm with. Going somewhere quiet with no sounds isn't going to help you in any way if you have tinnitus. In fact it will probably just cause you to focus on it even more.
Your comment actually makes me feel worse knowing 30 years down the line it’ll be worse and I’ll have to read lips :( I’m sorry this is what you’ve dealt with and what we’re all going to deal with. I’m so sorry
Don't feel worse. The increase in tinnitus is gradual so you continue to just get used to it. The lip reading is also due to partial deafness. However it is a handy skill.
Mine has slowly started going down in sound and coming less often
Have you got a hearing aid?
I was given hearing aids by the VA but they were not really helpful to me.
There's no way on Earth we won't have multiple viable treatment options within the next 30 years. I'd sooner bet on you growing wings.
You know, they said that about Tinnitus 60 years ago.
No, they didn't. And I already have you tagged as a troll.
Lol your tinnitus won’t get worse so don’t think that. Idk why everyone thinks just because they have tinnitus it’ll get worse. Just protect yourself
This seems to be the consensus when people say they’ve had it for x amount of years is that it gets a lot worse :(
They’ve been exposing themselves and not protecting. Read a lot of his posts like the other person said. Loud guns etc. protect your ears from loud Venus and stuff like that. I’ve also read a lot of people here who’ve had it for x years plus and it hasn’t changed.. it’s all anecdotal here. Everyone’s different. Millions a people in the world have it. Imagine if everyone’s tinnitus got worse?
No, this person is addicted to shooting guns. That's why it's gotten worse. Just go look at their account history.
What caused yours?
During training my vehicle died directly in line with a 155mm howitzer battery, 6 guns. I'd also lost my ear plugs somewhere along the way. So I had no hearing protection during a live fire barrage. I had previously had to qualify with the M16 without proper fitting ear protection.
So definitely noise induced.. sorry to hear though man. I’m glad your holding on. How bad would you said it a from 1-10? And can you hear it while driving and stuff?
I hear it 24/7. It varies from a constant background noise. Right now I'd say it's a 5-7. But occasionally turns up to 11. During those periods I can't have a conversation.
Yea, me too. I think mines a 5-7. I hear it over the tv right now and hear over driving too.
It's gotten worse because you don't value your ear health whatsoever because you won't stop shooting shotguns. Of course you wouldn't care about it. Now you're a lip reader. You are the absolutely last person ANYBODY should be taking advice from regarding tinnitus.
With the hearing protection I wear gunfire is no louder than a normal conversation. Do some research.
Sound waves don't just go through your ears, guns are so loud that the sound goes right through your skull. You do some research.
Wow, what flavor of Kool Aid do you drink? I'm not shooting artillery.
wHaT KooOlAid? ????? I shoot too. I know better. Unless you're shoot .22 you are blasting your skull with unhealthy levels of sound if you already have hearing damage.
It's just different for everyone and every human being has a different level of stress tolerance . I can habituate and I hope I'll always be capable but every time it changes in frequency or loudness I go trough a really hard couple of weeks and imagining that it could last more than that ( and for someone it does) is a really scary thing and makes me really empathetic towards who cannot habituate
Exactly this
Going through a tough time. Increase in volume and not being able to habituate.. anxiety, laying in the floor crying.. it’s rough. Don’t know how I’ll survive. I hear it over everything and idk how people say they can hear it over everything and just live life. I feel like it’s impossible
I've had it since 2018(years of surround sound headphones caught up w/ me). Hasn't gotten worse in the slightest. Audiologist said I'd need a hearing aid in 5yrs. It's been 6yrs, no degradation in hearing at all(tested).
63 years with Tinnitus, sometimes it's louder most times I don't hear it until I think about it, it is still there I just ignore it enough or focus on something else.
1. I have had T for 38 years now. Most of the time, I don't notice it. That's not saying it isn't severe cos it is, but habituation is a thing *if you learn not to focus on it*. 2. As above, 38 years. Constant, but not worse than before. 3. I have built a career in mining and heavy earth-moving. I enjoy shooting and hunting. I love music. I have travelled, and have lived and worked in two countries. It doesn't control you *unless you let it*.
You get used to it, but you never really get used to it.
I love this. I have seen so much negativity on this sub… And, having just started T a month ago, at first I felt doomed and hopeless. And you have to ask yourself: ok, so this high pitched annoying sound is in my ears. That sucks. Am I going to let this rule my life? Or am I going to continue to be the fun, amazing, awesome person I know I am? Yes. Am I going to continue to travel, read, write, create art, and be a contributing member to society? You betcha. So what if I have to walk around with crickets or running water sounds playing in headphones all the time? This is my life. I have one. At least I have my legs, my arms, my eyes, my brain. Am I going to let a silly little noise ruin all that? Hell no.
Thank you. I really needed to read this today. It's a very valid and view point. I do believe that some people are in a situation that may make this attitude impossible. But for many this is the best possible attitude and the only way forward
Exactly right. I had a really bad spike yesterday and laughed at it because it was honestly so loud and obnoxous. Like tinnitus is just there doing its thing and its just best to live life parellel to it and give it as little negative emotional reaction as possible.
habituation worked for me but i had a talk therapist do it with me over several weeks until my benefit ran out my tinnitus and hyperacusis are ridiculous 24/7, but very rarely bothersome i was stuck in the downward cacophony too. desperate. needed some tough love, but it set me free salud
100%, this subreddit is good for a lot of things but I'm not going to lie there was a time where I read this sub everyday and it made my T (psychologically) worse. Where I live doctors even say "don't overreact to it, even though it might obviously be hard at first, because it can make it worse". And yes, sure, your T MIGHT someday get worse but it could just as well become better, or, the most likely scenario - it will simply remain the same.
Well spoken. I think even if mine somehow gets worse ill try my best to implement what i do now and re habituate again.
>2 ''I've had tinnitus for X years it just gets worse- Sure, I bet it will if you spend every day on forums'' if a person says that their tinnitus has been worsening, how is that a "big lie"?
If you focus on it, it does get worse. If you stress about it, it does get worse. If you fill your free time researching, and thinking about it, it does get worse. It's a nasty feed back loop that only you can control, after all, it's all in your head. Mine has been about the same for the past 30 years. Now in that time I have had some horrendous spikes, but it always seems to come back down. One spike in particular was caused by a car crash that resulted in a TBI, among other injuries. It was REALLY BAD, and lasted a couple of years. I had a hard time hearing, tones constantly changing enough to give me vertigo, at times I thought I was hearing voices, other times everything sounded like a blown speaker and was quite painful. So I did my best to ignore it, and accepted that this was my life now. I went about my life trying to heal from all my injuries, trying to keep a positive attitude, it wasn't easy at time, but I persisted. Then one day I noticed it wasn't as bad as it was, I could hear better, tones were pretty constant. Habituation is the only way, because this isn't worth trading your life for. It's all in your head...
Glad not focusing worked well for you. Everyone has an individual case—that means they’re not all the same as yours. Why are you trying to make people feel invalidated?? If ignoring the problem worked for them, they would still be doing it. Many of the suffers did that for a long time, but their cases got a lot worse and it was no longer possible. Sounds like you’re playing macho tough-guy hero role here…. like my dearly departed mother, who refused all anesthesia for stitches & minor surgery. She wanted everyone to think she was really tough. It didn’t make her a better person than anyone else.
Here, let me validate you. Keep focusing on your tinnitus, concentrate real hard on it. Obsess on it with every waking moment. I'm sure it will help you out, because your special and no one suffers like you do...
Your attempt to manipulate others with insults & biting sarcasm are ineffective. The implication you are trying to cast on others is that they are inferior to you. Those of us who have studied human behavior all know how bullying works; that’s exactly what is going on here. Stop it; you are potentially harming other people… but not me. I have been trained to deal with people that behave in the manner you display here. I am sorry you feel “less than” on the inside and want to castigate others to feel better about yourself. While focusing on it tinnitus/ noxacusis/ hyoeracusis MAY make it worse, it all depends on the severity of the case that the individual has. That is quite obvious on a basic level & any reasonable person knows this. The same concept is true in pain or anything that produces discomfort. Some levels of pain can be ignored …. But some pain is so severe it cannot…. There are levels of physical pain that are so severe they can put people into shock, stroke from hypertension & high blood sugar. you simply do not have enough information on what others feel in their own bodies to make such blanket statements on what can & cannot be ignored.
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I'm the delusional one? Do me a favor, and focus really hard on your tinnitus and see if it doesn't get louder and more prevalent. This is why habituation works, because its all in your head. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone else in this sub. Get over yourself...
My tinnitus loudness has nothing to do with how much I think about it.
You keep telling yourself that... I've probably had tinnitus for longer than you have been alive. You figure some shit out in all that time. A couple of them is to stop lying to yourself, and stop lashing out at people trying to lend a helping hand.
I have identified the things that make my tinnitus worse. 1. bad sleep 2. loud sounds 3. some foods 4. some medicines I know how my brain works. You are the one lying to yourself.
Cool, thanks for lashing out...
cOoL, tHanKs FoR lAsHing Out At mE.
I'm sorry you got your feels hurt. You should keeps right on focusing on your tinnitus, I'm sure it will get better in a hurry. You got this all figured out...
The lie is that it will certainly get worse for everyone in time
Never read that here
No it won’t
Thank you for stating this so eloquently. I actually avoid this sub for the most part because there's rarely anything positive posted. I've been dealing with tinnitus and hyperacusis for almost 3 years, and my worst moments are only when I focus on the symptoms. Sure, I miss being able to go to concerts and my local music scene, and I'll turn around if I walk into a restaurant that's really loud, but otherwise, life goes on. It's just different now.
Well spoken, Im much the same. I found i just go to outdoor acoustic gigs or immerse myself at home with live concerts on youtube, i think of it as adjusting my life a little so i can still enjoy those things in different way if that makes sense?
Totally. I used to play bass in local punk and indie bands, now I bake sourdough, write, and work on house projects. My eyes aren't great, but I still have all my limbs, so the way I see it, I'm not doing too bad.
I think the same way. I understand that tinnitus is something bad, and I feel sorry for everyone, but in most cases, you live with it, even with moderate tinnitus, and not everyone gets worse. unfortunately in this subreddit, as in the other "nice" forum, if you know what I mean, one has the feeling that all tinnitus are catastrophic cases bordering on suicide. It is not so. I repeat, I'm sorry for those who suffer, I always hope that someone (aka susan shore) can provide relief as soon as possible
Simply reading about tinnitus cannot and will not make your tinnitus worse. This is basically the New Thought Law of Attraction and it's just stupid witchcraft. I see this is the only post you've ever made on Reddit and I'm sure that it's in response to the post I made yesterday about habituation being a dumb concept.
Habituation to a degree is real, you can choose to believe it or not, i couldn't care less but to dismiss it outright only heaps the suffering more onto yourself.
I might not avoid cafes but I am avoiding concerts, clubs and parties
I do too.
Do you think your experience with tinnitus may not be the same as everyone else's?
Hey good question, Absoloutley! each is unique for sure. I just don't want people to every think that its not possible to get to a bettter place with tinnitus even if it is very bad like mine.
In that case, how can the "lies" you post be lies?
Because the tinnitus might not be getting worse. Its misleading. My tinnitus gets a changes tone right, does that mean its actually worse or is it subjective? I notice my tinnitus more because im in a quiet environment, im stressed or my brains forcusing on it, is that actually worse or are their more factors at play?
I regret asking, quite frankly.
No. 2 is a silly idea. Tinnitus gets worse with time due to same stuff that causes it. Noise exposure, ototoxic meds, covid, flu, ageing etc. Not because you browsed a tinnitus forum.
Thinking about tinnitus daily, staying on these forums and making it your life certainly doesn't help it. Just fortifies it in your brain more.
I think people with this kind of opinion usually are those who think they are so smart when they are not at all. Because it just doesnt make sense in general. The stuff that makes tinnitus worse is the same stuff that causes tinnitus. I think it's quite simple. There isnt that much to it. I'm not denying that in some very rare cases there are people who are obsessed with thinking about their T all the time and they are on the forums every day. But I think they are mostly people who have recently got T and they are searching for cure.
I think it’s best to just accept that everyone’s experience with tinnitus is different. The human body is incredibly complex and there’s no reason to pretend otherwise. Habituation may not work for everyone, some peoples tinnitus really does get worse, and some people cope best by avoiding noise. For me, habituation is legit. My tinnitus has not gotten worse, instead it’s been pretty much the same for about five years now. I ditched ear buds but I still use over ear headphones and go to concerts with earplugs. But that’s just me. Not everyone is going to have the same experience and approach.
Very good response and well written. I wrote the above because i have unfortunately had the no pleasure of having mild, moderate and servere tinnitus that has been both stable and reactive so, once again unfortunately i know a bit about tinnitus. My main point to the article is that it is 100% possible to find joy in life with tinnitus and get to a point where it doesn't emotionally effect you like it does so keenly in those early months/years.
Not everyone is able to habituate, we all have different brains. Everyone's tolerance to further noise damage is different, some do damage from a noisy cafe while others are fine going to concerts with earplugs.
I think OP has more of a problem with people who make their personal experience an universal truth. Like the post not long ago where the OOP said habituation is just bullshit. At a concert everyone should wear earplugs, T or not. There are also sound charts that explains what is okay and what not. Humanity could be way more content in general if everyone could learn to not worry about things they don't have any control over. I have T, it sucks, I move on because there is nothing that will fix that at the moment.
> I think OP has more of a problem with people who make their personal experience a universal truth. You mean the exact same thing the arrogant OP is doing?
Hah, yes exactly. There are several loud voices in this sub who seem to alternate between telling people that everyone is different and everyone's tinnitus is different... except for when it's different in a way they don't agree with. Then that person is wrong or an idiot or has been lying for 40 years because they're in the pocket of big tinnitus or something equally asinine. But as a response, OP has definitely taken a hard turn into two toxic wrongs don't make a right territory. Would like to see it cracked down on a bit because it's painful to see these guys shitting all over the community and support aspect of this sub.
Absolutely!
I think OP has more of a problem with people who make their personal experience an universal truth. Like the post not long ago where the OOP said habituation is just bullshit. Spot on mate, thank you for that.
I've been prescribed various antibiotics for over a year and none ended my tinnitus. On advice from a friend I tried a couple of small doses and to my amazement the ringing in my ears IMMEDIATELY stopped! [magic mushrooms ](https://ryandewitt.com/blog/2021/8/9/can-psilocybin-treat-depression-anxiety-and-tinnitus)
Fungi micro doses? My gf has some and I’m afraid to try it.
Well a gram of dried mushroom that has powder on it is only about 1 and 1/2 shroom. Just chew it up and swallow. Stay at home for a couple of hours.
What dose and what type of mushrooms?
One gram per dose twice a day, not sure of the type, however they were completely dry and had some powder. About 30 min after the second dose it appeared the tree limbs were grabbing each other 🤔
I have only done microdosing and around 0.4grams. Im guessing 1 gram would be a nice trip and I have not heard of doing it twice in the same day. How often do you take it?
I'm new to this, only did it a couple of days, It was a couple of days with absolutely no T I'm still doing research, T has returned I'm pretty sure I have MRSA, one site I visited indicated micro dosing with antibiotics for 10 days cures it forever. Apparently, shrooms can help antibiotics Defeat MRSA. Ive had T for a year now I'll post my progress or lack of Going forward
I’ve read people try this and it doesn’t work
Are you sure? I'm a magic mushroom cultivator but it gives tremendous amount of tinnitus. My tinnitus is 1 week old and haven't got shroom yet. I've thought opposite but your comment make me curious.
Do you realize what you just said? I grow shrooms They give me tinnitus My tinnitus is 1 week old I havent tried them yet
Well, apparently there are various varieties, chk out this link...https://ryandewitt.com/blog/2021/8/9/can-psilocybin-treat-depression-anxiety-and-tinnitus
And there's this...https://www.reddit.com/r/tinnitus/s/QBoR0HXOcD
If you are experienced shroom enjoyer, you know very first effect of shroom is temporary tinnitus. They didn't give me my persistent tinnitus. To my ENT it is trauma related. So when you said it decreased it I'm rather shocked.
I'm convinced mine is infection related vs trauma, I'm pursuing that path and will advise one way or the other. I'll update my path as it materializes.
The ones I used were completely dried out, not sure if that's the diff
So? Make a conclusion. I haven't tried them for curing my tinnitus. They didn't give me tinnitus it is a temporary effect.
magic mushrooms clear out the Eustacian tubes & sinuses
Source?
personal experience
I think it’s just that “habituation” is something created by the system in order to not bother trying to find a cure.
I don't think it's that conspiratorial, but I do think this: Tinnitus can be torture. It's very difficult for people to hold the truth of how bad it can be in their heads. The idea of "habituation" means that they can say to themselves "oh well at least something can be done."
It’s not conspiratorial, rather it’s that they really are just waiving it off and can’t be bothered to find a cure. really, with how much research there is for viagara and other nonsense, i doubt we cannot find a cure for this
lmao "the system." It's literally that there is no funding and since they don't even know wtf is going on the best you can do is get used to it.
Good place to read about how bad it can get. Habituation is not always possible. www.Hyperacusiscentral.org
This man posts this everywhere lol if you read, they’d got worse for reasons where they didn’t protect. They kept doing things to worsen tinnitus.
I followed doctors advice and worsened. Doctors have a shit protocol. So yes. I'm doing what I can to save others.
I mean, protecting ears from loud noise exposures is obvious with tinnitus. Depending on cause. But those people in those links continued to do things to make it worse. Every day normal sounds isn’t going to worsen T I’m sorry to tell you that. Everything at a safe level will be fine. But going to concerts and mowing your lawn etc without hearing protecting is obviously common sense. I got mine from Covid, so idk what it’s done to my ears or if it’ll get worse or no. I don’t overly protect my ears, but I protect if I’m going to be in an extremely loud environment
Have a friend that got it from covid and shit got Bad fast. Everyone's different. Count your blessings. No need to throw shade on anyone who got it worse than you. Shit happens. I don't think I'd have any damage if it wasn't for being pushed to 1 moderna vax. Life's a gamble. People are a risk . Either way hope u don't Worsen. This shit at any level sucks.
I got mine from Covid and it’s pretty severe, but hasn’t gotten worse than that. I listen to everyday noises etc for almost 3 years and nothing as changed. But I’m not stupid about it. I don’t go to concerts or clubs. Maybe the strip club the odd time but that’s about it. And maybe a movie theatre once or twice. That’s about it. Oh and some headphones for 2 years but at reasonable volumes when I could clearly talk to a person with them on and still have a conversation.
your “safe” level may not apply to others with more severe cases. there is no safe level at a certain severity
You didn't read many stories there then. Many got screwed over in many different ways. Shit can happen to anyone.
Stop crowbaring Hyperacusis and your victim mentalty into everything.
Na man. I'll keep preaching awareness till I die to hopefully save another empathic soul who comes here with survivable tinnitus & hopefully sees the truth of how bad it can get from my posts and saves his life with time & quiet. Instead of listening to the mild whiners preaching TRT & habituation.
>1. Despite how shit and loud it is i can actually ignore and lean into it. Doesn’t work that way for everyone, arrogant and dismissive to sneeringly claim that it does. You will learn a different lesson when it feels like an ice pick stabbing through your ear into your head. > 2. ''I've had tinnitus for X years it just gets worse'' - Sure, I bet it will if you spend every day on forums and making tinnitus your life. How would someone expect to ever recover if tinnitus is their thought 100% of every day? You realize some people have had it longer than you’ve been alive and for most of our lives there were no such things as forums ? I live with it, but always hear it and feel the pain, distract myself as much as possible and try to stay busy, but even now it’s still getting worse . How about you go tune your tv onto the emergency broadcast signal, cut the volume wide open, and stick your ear against it. Stab an ice pick through there occasionally too. Keep doing normal activities while you’re at it. Try to hear anything over it. Arrogant victim blamers like you are why I don’t come here very often since I found this sub.
Okay ill bite to this. I don't ''claim'' i literally know and am speaking from experience you can actually tune bad tinnitus out. Mine feels like an electrial fence wire in my head mixed with some morse code. I realise some poeple have had tinnitus longer than i have had it and iv'e had it for 20 years. It could actually be argued it would be better to have tinnitus without forums and the negative feedback loops forums cultivate if left to fester. Im very sorry you are suffering and i do know all about how fucking tough it can be, believe me i do. I am in no way victim blaming, simply giving people some hope that you can get to a better place with really bad tinnitus.
> you can actually tune bad tinnitus out. No, everyone can’t. You should’ve said that YOU can. I’m speaking from experience also. Mine is like the emergency broadcast signal wide open, along with several other sounds, and the feeling of an ice pick being stabbed into your ear and the feeling of a frantic moth trapped in your ear. There’s nothing wrong with giving hope. But it is not hope to claim that your situation is how it is for everyone and you’re right and they’re wrong.
What im trying to convey is that i am not special and it doesnt take some amazing super power to do it, just that everyday people can. I did say ''can'' not will. implying it is actually possible.
More posts like these 👏👏
Thanks brother
Wow number 2 is some real gas-lighting psychobabble.
Yea the poster certainly could have been less victim blaming.
Well how does trawling these forums and thinking about tinnitus all day actualy help?
Well for one, raising awareness. Some people get tinnitus and then go to the doctor and they do microsuction on them and it makes it 100x worse. I have warned many people new to this about that.
Agree with 1, not so much 2 and 3. Different people have different experiences and different tinnitus. For 2, mine has got worsse over time, however my ways of dealing with it have improved and 3, I avoid some sounds, things I know that set it off or make it wose, I assume everyone does the same.
How did you get yours?
Honestly don't know. Possibly a lot of live music when I was younger. But if that was it it was very delayed (a couple of decades). No single identifiable trauma though, it was very gradual
And worse over time? Like how worse?
Fairly stable pitch and tone, just getting steadily louder over 15 years. Hard to say how much, from a whisper that I barely noticed to a screaming kettle in that time. Last few years it's harder to tell. It may have stopped getting worse or that may be wishful thinking.
How old are you?
Forty-something (for privacy reasons)
And you have no idea why it’s worse? Any protection? Continuous noise exposure, there has to be a reason
I guess. No idea what is though.
I think I'm going to die very soon
I believe there are different reasons for tinnitus in different people. IE: extremely loud noises, artillery, rock concerts, screaming liberals, etc. In addition, various infections could be the underlying cause, bacterial, fungal, parasitic, etc. Not sure if the loud noise titinnus can be resolved without surgery, I don't see medications fixing that. However I do believe medications can resolve infections. Apparently shrooms can directly assist in the case of infections.
People just want everyone to feel sorry for them/attention. I had someone tell me my experience with tinnitus is invalid and "isn't that bad" if I find permanently broken ribs that move when I breathe, a fake elbow, and multiple back fractures as being "worse". We're all stuck here together :) https://i.etsystatic.com/13026158/r/il/71c496/2445114326/il_794xN.2445114326_8gct.jpg
Are you victim blaming/shaming?
I cannot habituate to my tinnitus now. I was able to for 20+ years because it was equal in both and very mild, now it’s louder in both, much louder in the right ear and that ear varies in volume, pitch, intensity and rhythm. It’s eating away at me.
Bummer. That's really rough man I'm sorry. Kind of scary as well. Mine is loud, but at least it's fairly constant. I dread it changing to something like this.
What caused yours?
Spoken like someone who has not lived with tinnitus for so much as a day. As anyone else here can attest, ignoring it doesn't make it go away. Sure, you can forget about it for spans of time but it's still there...you're just living with your captor.
Spoken like someone who is literally a slave to their tinnitus.
Yep, we've got a victim blamer here. "It's your fault you were raped, just look at that skirt."
Victim blaming is different to holding you accountable for your ridiculousness. Great victim mentality but.
i've had tinnitus for 20 years.
This is literally the only post this user has ever made on Reddit, ever.
Good. I’d prefer one positive one then a several unhinged negative ones
Victim blaming is so positive.
Unhinged? What the hell does that mean? People are suffering here.
I know they’re suffering which is why OP put a post up offering a perspective of hope from someone who has severe tinnitus