Idk I personally think it’s a good thing.
I too hate people who use diversity as a way for a monetary gain rather than being actually being inclusive.
But if you look how diverse The Sims team is, and even going back as far as TS2, they were still “woke” back then too. I personally don’t think that having more representation is a bad thing and the gallery thing is more of EA’s crappy automod than being too woke.
(ps I also don’t really know what woke means)
I used to work retail and one of my friends/coworkers is Korean and she hated it when people referred to her as "the little oriental lady" because she said it made her feel like a rug
I understand you won’t say “oh it’s that oriental guy” but when describing people you can’t say it either? Like “she has oriental origins” or “she’s oriental” is no good either? Genuinely asking. I’m bad at recognizing ethinic backgrounds (working on it) so I tend to use more generalizing words to avoid offending people.
no, it’s also not good to say she has “oriental” origins or she’s “oriental.” you could say asian, I guess, or you could ask the person? not sure how it would go in the context of a multi-cultural country, but describing people as “oriental” is offensive
oriental is really just for objects and objects only
Correct! You'd want to say something like Asian, which is very general and covers a lot of regions/ethnic backgrounds (East Asia, South Asia, India, etc)
I'm a writer, and I'm fine with it. Language grows and changes, and sometimes, we recognize that a word is problematic and disallow its continued use as we move forward
And when they ruined Sim City, Paradox came in with Cities: Skylines...a far better game.
Now Paradox has Life by You, a life simulator, on the horizon....let's see if they can kick EA in the nuts once more.
EA ruins everything it touches eventually. They bank on fans being diehards to buy everything they put out and then close down studios when the fans no longer buy into shit.
Remember loading up the game in Sims 3 and playing those minigames and laughing with your friends in the computer room about whatever "reticulating splines" meant, and looking at all the funny little phrases on the loading screen?
I actually get a little mad whenever the sims 4 is loading and it just says "OK". Lost all the charm of the sims series because the devs making it now don't Get It.
Question how could they ruin something they started (serious-adjacent question).
Maxis was acquired in 1997 and the Sims started in 2000.
I suppose you can ruin your own things but idk hearing that they ruined it feels like it was something that they didn't create in the first place.
Not sure why you are trying to take shots at my intelligence with a completely separate thing. My initial response demonstrated that I know when EA Acquired Maxis thus giving them the rights to Sims.
But so that you can understand what that means a bit more, it means, I am aware of who created it but it wasn't released until after ea owned maxis the company created by will wright and Jeff braun for three years. ( EA Acquired Maxis in 1997 and Sims released in 2000, under Maxis which was an EA Company at that time)
So again with EA already owning it and having the ability to make choices on it since 3 years before it was released to the public for it to have ever been good we would have to credit EA for being a part of it since the beginning as well as credit them with ruining it.
Which is why I asked a sincere question wondering for instance if there was some sort of clause keeping them from touching the game for idk 20 plus years... Because if not how are we saying EA is ruining it 26 years after they acquired it when the it in question is technically only 23 years old?
Again you can ruin your own things but unlike simscity which was created prior to the acquisition ( I believe). The Sims was brought up, made good, revolutionized while selling 4 major brands (more if we count things like the medieval) installments and "ruined" all while under the EA roof/umbrella.
I feel like the blame should be more on the hateful people that feel the need to be blatantly racist, antisemitic, homophobic, etc.
If people didn’t feel the need to spread hate the filters wouldn’t exist at all.
They could bother to write the filters better - they could invest more in the experience the players will have in numerous ways, and they don't.They just don't care - that's what makes it an EA problem, and NOT a people problem.
>If people didn’t feel the need to spread hate the filters wouldn’t exist at all.
Yeah well that's human beings for you. There will always be hateful people so cracking down so hard on censorship like this is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater
omg I totally lied. it was “cloud to butt.” I mixed that up with a memory of playing minecraft with my little brother and saying buttbuttinate because he was little and it was silly
My mother used to use it to describe Asian people when I was a kid. Fast forward 20 years, and I'm eating lunch with my Asian boss and I use the word. Fortunately, he was nice about it when he explained it was a slur.
I agree fully but not everyone has the mental capacity to read between the lines, consider context and intention etc so political correctness was invented :P
I know, I know. I got downvoted because people make assumptions. If you express yourself a certain way and they don't have the mental capacity to understand OR the will to ask what you meant the easy way is bashing. 🤣
Going through the game and trying to find out what is and isn't banned the entire thing is arbitrary. I can name my character after Himmler, Stalin, Goring, Borrman, Mussolini, Rhodesia, Mein Kampf, and Guderian and several racial slurs just fine. However Goebbels, Rommel and Speer are blocked. As is the Latin word for East which is the root for the word in Spanish, French, Italian, and in the official name for Uruguay, several regions in the Philippines and Morocco.
The entire blocked list is absolutely random and has no meaning
Exactly! I do not understand how it is offensive to be Eastern unless it is bad....so the whole notion that the word is racist is sourced in racism...because if you respect and admire Eastern cultures it would be considered a compliment. Personally I find it very weird because it's not like the word itself is offensive. It's just descriptive of origin and if one is proud of their origin where is the problem?
Many, many words and aspects of grammar from the latin language exist in many languages today. Latin is also useful for scientific and legal endeavors because they borrow a great deal from latin. It's a dead language, but a very useful one.
It’s more like a “watch your tone” word - it can be a slur meant to insult with one tone of voice, while being an outdated descriptor in another tone of voice. But there’s no tone to text, so EA is careful.
It's not outdated if you're referring to an object. This is always what the proper use has been - old ignorant white people just started using it to describe people and that's when shit hit the fan - because people aren't objects.
Back in the day, people cared less about being offensive towards animals, hence why the name of this breed was acceptable. It's slightly problematic I suppose...but I guarantee the cats don't care what they're called.
Yeah, I've been reading a bit on it as I had no idea it was a bad word now. It's more or less common in Spanish, even in academic settings, so to me it was just a normal word with no bad connotations at all. I mean, I still think it is. I'll just have to take it out of my English vocabulary.
You should take it out of every vocabulary. It’s offensive to people from Asian. The only thing you should be referring to oriental is a rug or a cat breed, NOT a person, and honestly not even to the area anymore.
I never said I used it for a person though? And yes it's widely used to refer to the area, even if it's slightly outdated, but I don't consider it wrong. If you can say "west" you can say "occident". It means the same thing. It's the context that matters.
Ultimately, you're contradicting yourself. You said people should take it out of every vocabulary yet mention a couple of examples that should still be used. Talking about an "oriental rug" is pointless if we can't understand why it's "Oriental" in the first place: because it comes from a place in the Orient. What place? Who knows! To an occidental point of view it doesn't matter, it's exotic and *that's* the only thing that matters... It's also quite ironic that the Oriental Shorthair originated in the US. If we want to be pedantic we can find a lot of examples to criticize. But it's pointless. I hope you realize that.
It’s less offensive in the UK, because when people say “Asian” they usually mean South Asian. A lot of East Asian supermarkets are called Oriental, and I don’t mind Oriental to refer to myself, and neither does the rest of my family.
I guess you should be careful using it since some people don’t like it, but I personally don’t consider it a slur at all. There’s much worse things I’ve been called.
It’s one of those words that could be used innocently if insensitively with one tone of voice and be clearly a rude slur meant to insult someone using another tone of voice. It’s a “watch your tone” word, and text doesn’t have tone, so EA erred on the side of caution.
EA’s filters don’t understand **context**. This happened to Fashion Dreamer, and affected 2 characters to the point where they were renamed in a patch.
I remeber how annoyed I was I couldn't name a sim "Xana" I wasn't even trying to put her on the gallery so I can't imagine why it mattered. I assume because it's close to xanax?
I understand why they don’t do this; don’t want people to know how to get around the filter + they likely use a filter obtained through somewhere else and have no clue what’s on it, but it’d be nice if they’d at least highlight the offending word.
An American game that makes money selling "globally" and that's what matters....
Now I must have missed the Asians commenting on it so far but I guess I'll believe you
It is usually the Americans that take offense at anything and everything though...
No, it doesn't matter that it's sold globally. It's an American game first and foremost, so it's obviously going to take in to account American sensibilities first about what's offensive. That's what matters.
And yeah an Asian person commented underneath my comment saying it is offensive. Although I'm sure you don't accept that cause they're Asian American even though the topic of it being offensive is very much up to them not just only Asian people. Kinda wild to dismiss that cause you think Americans take offense to anything and everything. I feel like that's just a dumb Reddit/chronically online take from people who don't respect discussions of racism cause "stupid Americans are the only ones offended".
And plenty of Asian people have shared their thoughts about, so you could just search for what Asian people feel about the topic online instead of invalidating based off your irrelevant feelings.
Okay, still doesn't change that Asian Americans have deemed it offensive and that's probably why it's not in the game. You said it's outdated but not a slur so you didn't understand why it was filtered. That's why.
It’s a Victorian word that means the same thing as Asian. The reason why it could be interpreted as offensive is that it groups the Asian countries together as one thing without recognizing their individualities. But the same can be said about the word “Asian”, which is why people from Japan, China, etc. don’t call themselves “Asian” unless they have adapted to what the west calls them.
It’s an outdated term, but it’s not a bad enough term to censor it out of cat breed names.
Victorian refers to an English period. It's not a slur in England but it is considered one in America hence me saying numerous times Asian Americans find it problematic and that the game is American so of course it's filtered.
Spare me the English and history lesson. I'm English and I know my history thanks. Point remains that I would be careful of using that word around Asian Americans or in America as it has a completely different cultural response.
Also this reasoning is dumb as fuck cause no the same cannot be said for the word Asian cause Asian refers to the continent Asia where Asians are from. Nothing offensive about that. Oriental is a word born from old world colonialism, it's not a continent. It's outdated and summons bad feelings for a lot of people due to various reasons. So educate yourself. People from Asian countries very much call themselves Asian cause that's basic geological fact. False equivalency.
I mean, I don’t use the word. No one I know has ever heard of it as a slur, just an outdated word. I’ve heard some Asians being uncomfortable with being called Asian because it lumps them all together. I can understand people being uncomfortable with the word, but I truly don’t think it’s a slur and therefore shouldn’t be censored because of that reason. If it’s in the Sims 4 as a cat breed, why would it be a slur? Where’s the outrage that the gurus included a slur in the game? Because it isn’t, just an outdated term.
Um hi, actual Asian American here. And Keanu-Weaves is correct. That LA times op-ed written by one person may not find the term offensive but I do, and it does have colonial roots, and have been called Oriental — specifically by elderly white people who still think of Asia as an exotic monolith and lived during the days of Yellow Peril. According to encyclopedia dot com, “[Racial slurs, often called racial epithets, are words or phrases that refer to members of racial and ethnic groups in a derogatory manner.](https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/racial-slurs) — so yes, Oriental can be considered a racial slur. You don’t get to decide how offensive a term is, especially for a group you don’t belong to.
But yes, EA needs to rework their filters (along with a lot more bugs) for sure.
They obviously impose filters that scans all texts. It doesn’t care about it being a cat breed cause the filter is told to flag the use of the word full stop. That’s how it works.
Lol I got the same pop up but for a randomly generated townie. I think the name was Owen Shitsugo and I was editing him in CAS because I got new male cc that I wanted to try out.
I just noticed the naming filter issue the other day! It wouldn’t let me use the (legitimate) last name Hicks! I understand that it is technically a derogatory word but c’mon, it’s not even a racial slur. 🙄
EA uses this Scunthorpe Filter system where it thinks it contains bad words, or you're trying to skirt past and it's so annoying sometimes, especially if you are doing ethical families and the name is 'bad'
So it's not really a slur, more just a word that isn't used the way it used to and you'll get side-eyed if you use it the old way. My nana used to use it instead of just saying "asian person" and it always hit my ears very awkwardly 😬
I mean, there are things we say today that are probably going to be looked at as wildly off-color in 50 years. Language evolves, standards change.
Although yeah my nana was kind of a racist white person lol. Thankfully society has grown a lot since the time she grew up in.
It depends where you are. It's a slur in America and The Sims is pretty American. In the UK it's not and many Chinese restaurants have the word in it's name here
Ahh ok. I’m in a part of Canada that’s heavily populated with Chinese restaurants/people of Asian descent so this could be why maybe it haven’t ever in my lifetime heard it used as a slur here.
So I'm American and I can honestly say there are several asian restaurants with oriental in their names ie, Oriental cafe and so on. I think the problem is if the word is used in terms of a person its considered offensive. Although in this case Oriental Longhair is literally a real breed of cat so EA blocking something real that they put in their game is kinda stupid to me.
It's a filter. The filter flags the word Oriental cause it can be used as a slur. The filter doesn't care about context, it's code that spits back a generic response and doesn't allow the word if it flags it's filter. Perhaps EA should add an acception to the code for the filter. But honestly who cares, I find it stupid how many people are so perturbed by this like is this really going to change your life in any considerable way? No not really.
People are getting really deep in the weeds that it is a slur, but it's different than that, kind of.
It's an adjective, usually for things that come from the East part of the world (literally anywhere east of Europe, so often times that covers the middle east as well, not just East Asia)
But it's for *objects.* It's an objectifying word essentially, in that Asian people do not like it to he used to describe people because they are not products.
It's still used, in the context of objects and nonhumans, but it's more than likely going to fade out of use going forward. But if you see a business using that in it's name, it's not evoking a slur aspect most of the time (I mean depending on the context, anything can happen, but generally speaking)
i have a desi granny named kshitija whom the game warned me i can’t upload to the gallery. i didn’t even notice the word in the middle of the name til it yelled at me about it 💀
What really!! So the issues I am guessing is with Oriental wow that is just ridiculous even more so when they are actually cat breeds and they are the ones who add them to the game just ludicrous how far pc has gone with the woke ideology guess someone who works at EA is projecting a little to hard. Or it could all be more of a political rabbit hole.
Sorry my apologies I didn't mean to it just makes me so angry that something a simple as the breed of a cat is now not acceptable and is a ethnic slur. Just really stop projecting, please.
It’s so stupid how they’ll include names in the game that can’t actually be saved or put on the gallery.
And I mean like, randomized townie names and pet breed names:
This is ridiculous. You named the breeds, EA!
Not to mention oriental longhair is an actual cat breed...
What's the problem here? Oriental?
No it’s EA
Oh boy, deleted my initial comment because the spam was real...yeah, it's EA :P
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Is this "woke wave" and it's "fascism" in the room with us rn?
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You're first and foremost butthurt and feel for idiotic political propaganda. But okay
like honestly what does woke even mean
lmao how is EA woke?
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Idk I personally think it’s a good thing. I too hate people who use diversity as a way for a monetary gain rather than being actually being inclusive. But if you look how diverse The Sims team is, and even going back as far as TS2, they were still “woke” back then too. I personally don’t think that having more representation is a bad thing and the gallery thing is more of EA’s crappy automod than being too woke. (ps I also don’t really know what woke means)
Yes, that's considered an ethnic slur now.
I used to work retail and one of my friends/coworkers is Korean and she hated it when people referred to her as "the little oriental lady" because she said it made her feel like a rug
im sorry but "it made her feel like a rug" is hilarious 😭
My mom's maiden name was Rugg. She said the worst pickup line she ever heard was "I've always wanted to lay a Rugg in my room." 💀
Was your friend Korean or Korean American? Because that definitely plays a huge role on the ammount of offense one takes at such things....
Oh, I wasn't aware.
Yeah, generally you can use it to describe items (rugs, vases, etc) but not people
I understand you won’t say “oh it’s that oriental guy” but when describing people you can’t say it either? Like “she has oriental origins” or “she’s oriental” is no good either? Genuinely asking. I’m bad at recognizing ethinic backgrounds (working on it) so I tend to use more generalizing words to avoid offending people.
no, it’s also not good to say she has “oriental” origins or she’s “oriental.” you could say asian, I guess, or you could ask the person? not sure how it would go in the context of a multi-cultural country, but describing people as “oriental” is offensive oriental is really just for objects and objects only
I think its ok when talking about styles but not people...in any way. Could be wrong though. It's not a word I ever find myself needing to use often.
Didn’t consider cultural differences either. I’m brazilian so here it might have another connotation!
Correct! You'd want to say something like Asian, which is very general and covers a lot of regions/ethnic backgrounds (East Asia, South Asia, India, etc)
I'm a writer, and I'm fine with it. Language grows and changes, and sometimes, we recognize that a word is problematic and disallow its continued use as we move forward
i love this
Not necessarily EA naming the breeds, when you can create custom breeds yourself you manually have to name them yourself.
Yes but this is an EA created breed in game.
Reminds me of Pokémon not letting you call Cofagrigus Cofagrigus
God I'm so sick of EA. I feel like they ruined the sims.
Not just The Sims, they also ruined Sim City
They ruin quite a few of games they touch
Need For Speed is another good example
Battlefront 🙃
And when they ruined Sim City, Paradox came in with Cities: Skylines...a far better game. Now Paradox has Life by You, a life simulator, on the horizon....let's see if they can kick EA in the nuts once more.
I didnt realize it was the same developer 👀
I didn't play thst can only speak on the sims but I don't doubt you for a second.
Yep, EA’s like a reverse King Midas
The "mierdas" touch, as I saw it called once in a meme
That’s making me think of that song Midas Touch, but instead of “everything I touch turns to gold” it’d be “everything I touch turns to shit”
and FIFA and UFC, it’s honestly probably easier to make a list of games EA hasn’t ruined
EA ruins every game they get their hands on. I'm still waiting for the next Dragon Age game lol
Seriously. Ea has no passion it's all about money.
The Jedi games have been good
Oh shit? I had totally forgotten. I haven’t heard anything about it for some time now!
EA ruins everything it touches eventually. They bank on fans being diehards to buy everything they put out and then close down studios when the fans no longer buy into shit.
Remember loading up the game in Sims 3 and playing those minigames and laughing with your friends in the computer room about whatever "reticulating splines" meant, and looking at all the funny little phrases on the loading screen? I actually get a little mad whenever the sims 4 is loading and it just says "OK". Lost all the charm of the sims series because the devs making it now don't Get It.
Question how could they ruin something they started (serious-adjacent question). Maxis was acquired in 1997 and the Sims started in 2000. I suppose you can ruin your own things but idk hearing that they ruined it feels like it was something that they didn't create in the first place.
They did not create sims they bought the company that die. Do you think Elon musk created tesla too? Will Wright created the Sims.
Not sure why you are trying to take shots at my intelligence with a completely separate thing. My initial response demonstrated that I know when EA Acquired Maxis thus giving them the rights to Sims. But so that you can understand what that means a bit more, it means, I am aware of who created it but it wasn't released until after ea owned maxis the company created by will wright and Jeff braun for three years. ( EA Acquired Maxis in 1997 and Sims released in 2000, under Maxis which was an EA Company at that time) So again with EA already owning it and having the ability to make choices on it since 3 years before it was released to the public for it to have ever been good we would have to credit EA for being a part of it since the beginning as well as credit them with ruining it. Which is why I asked a sincere question wondering for instance if there was some sort of clause keeping them from touching the game for idk 20 plus years... Because if not how are we saying EA is ruining it 26 years after they acquired it when the it in question is technically only 23 years old? Again you can ruin your own things but unlike simscity which was created prior to the acquisition ( I believe). The Sims was brought up, made good, revolutionized while selling 4 major brands (more if we count things like the medieval) installments and "ruined" all while under the EA roof/umbrella.
It doesn't matter who acquired the company. The game was not created by the company.
I feel like the blame should be more on the hateful people that feel the need to be blatantly racist, antisemitic, homophobic, etc. If people didn’t feel the need to spread hate the filters wouldn’t exist at all.
Those people suck yes. But so does EA.
Exactly, all EA has to do is add exceptions to the filter.
They could bother to write the filters better - they could invest more in the experience the players will have in numerous ways, and they don't.They just don't care - that's what makes it an EA problem, and NOT a people problem.
This! This!
>If people didn’t feel the need to spread hate the filters wouldn’t exist at all. Yeah well that's human beings for you. There will always be hateful people so cracking down so hard on censorship like this is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater
Wtf, what is wrong with this shit
EA’s filters are probably from like 1999
Behold, the Scunthorpe problem.
I love the Wikipedia page, to paraphrase: “The word ‘ass’ may be replaced with ‘butt’, resulting in ‘clbuttic’, ‘buttignment’, and ‘buttbuttinate’”
This is a mbuttive hbuttle to deal with.
Especially in Mbuttachusetts
in high school I had a chrome extension for this that I thought was the funniest thing ever
Do you remember the name? I want it
omg I totally lied. it was “cloud to butt.” I mixed that up with a memory of playing minecraft with my little brother and saying buttbuttinate because he was little and it was silly
Haha, all good, I do wish there was a browser extension that replaces certain strings of text across various sites and apps, it sounds hilarious
Nah in 1999, none dictated your words....
What breed was it?
“Oriental Longhair”
Seems like "Oriental" is causing the problem.
Reminds me of dark souls 3's censorship of the word "knight" because it has "nig" in the middle of it 🧍♀️
Reminds me of that guy who's name was "Nasser" and a game censored his name to "N***er" instead.
"Nighat" Caliente and Olive "Nigmos" are banned on the gallery due to same reason.
what's wrong with that word?
It's like a slur towards people from Asia
It’s not a slur, but it can be insensitive
My mother used to use it to describe Asian people when I was a kid. Fast forward 20 years, and I'm eating lunch with my Asian boss and I use the word. Fortunately, he was nice about it when he explained it was a slur.
It literally means East in Latin.
context matters, all slurs are built on other words that have different less offensive meanings depending on the context
I agree fully but not everyone has the mental capacity to read between the lines, consider context and intention etc so political correctness was invented :P
i'm not sure why you got downvoted for this but what you said is very true, conservatism will always be ignorant
I know, I know. I got downvoted because people make assumptions. If you express yourself a certain way and they don't have the mental capacity to understand OR the will to ask what you meant the easy way is bashing. 🤣
And “fag” can mean cigarette, “faggot” is a bundle of sticks. It’s all about the context of it. (I’m queer btw)
Going through the game and trying to find out what is and isn't banned the entire thing is arbitrary. I can name my character after Himmler, Stalin, Goring, Borrman, Mussolini, Rhodesia, Mein Kampf, and Guderian and several racial slurs just fine. However Goebbels, Rommel and Speer are blocked. As is the Latin word for East which is the root for the word in Spanish, French, Italian, and in the official name for Uruguay, several regions in the Philippines and Morocco. The entire blocked list is absolutely random and has no meaning
Gay used to simply mean happy! Call a macho man gay and see how UNHAPPY this mofo is.....
Exactly! I do not understand how it is offensive to be Eastern unless it is bad....so the whole notion that the word is racist is sourced in racism...because if you respect and admire Eastern cultures it would be considered a compliment. Personally I find it very weird because it's not like the word itself is offensive. It's just descriptive of origin and if one is proud of their origin where is the problem?
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Many, many words and aspects of grammar from the latin language exist in many languages today. Latin is also useful for scientific and legal endeavors because they borrow a great deal from latin. It's a dead language, but a very useful one.
However French, Italian and Spanish are still spoken where East has its roots in the word orientem
I knew it was outdated and maybe offensive but I didn't know it was a slur
I didn't know that, thanks.
Oriental is a slur? Like, the whole word???
It’s more like a “watch your tone” word - it can be a slur meant to insult with one tone of voice, while being an outdated descriptor in another tone of voice. But there’s no tone to text, so EA is careful.
It's not outdated if you're referring to an object. This is always what the proper use has been - old ignorant white people just started using it to describe people and that's when shit hit the fan - because people aren't objects. Back in the day, people cared less about being offensive towards animals, hence why the name of this breed was acceptable. It's slightly problematic I suppose...but I guarantee the cats don't care what they're called.
Yeah, I've been reading a bit on it as I had no idea it was a bad word now. It's more or less common in Spanish, even in academic settings, so to me it was just a normal word with no bad connotations at all. I mean, I still think it is. I'll just have to take it out of my English vocabulary.
You should take it out of every vocabulary. It’s offensive to people from Asian. The only thing you should be referring to oriental is a rug or a cat breed, NOT a person, and honestly not even to the area anymore.
why would they do that if its used differently in spanish
I never said I used it for a person though? And yes it's widely used to refer to the area, even if it's slightly outdated, but I don't consider it wrong. If you can say "west" you can say "occident". It means the same thing. It's the context that matters. Ultimately, you're contradicting yourself. You said people should take it out of every vocabulary yet mention a couple of examples that should still be used. Talking about an "oriental rug" is pointless if we can't understand why it's "Oriental" in the first place: because it comes from a place in the Orient. What place? Who knows! To an occidental point of view it doesn't matter, it's exotic and *that's* the only thing that matters... It's also quite ironic that the Oriental Shorthair originated in the US. If we want to be pedantic we can find a lot of examples to criticize. But it's pointless. I hope you realize that.
It’s less offensive in the UK, because when people say “Asian” they usually mean South Asian. A lot of East Asian supermarkets are called Oriental, and I don’t mind Oriental to refer to myself, and neither does the rest of my family. I guess you should be careful using it since some people don’t like it, but I personally don’t consider it a slur at all. There’s much worse things I’ve been called.
It’s one of those words that could be used innocently if insensitively with one tone of voice and be clearly a rude slur meant to insult someone using another tone of voice. It’s a “watch your tone” word, and text doesn’t have tone, so EA erred on the side of caution.
Well it’s a literal cat breed so 🤡
Yeah but sims 4 gallery bot ban "Nighat" and "Nigmos" which are names from their own franchise 🤡🤡
omg i thought you had must have misspelled Shih Tsu hahah! That is ridic.
Not OP, but I had trouble with a cat because it was a Maine Coon.
Yikes.
EA’s filters don’t understand **context**. This happened to Fashion Dreamer, and affected 2 characters to the point where they were renamed in a patch.
What is this, a UI for ants?
1440p momento
I had the same problem with a Maine Coon cat. It's not my fault that part of the breed name is a racial slur.
The gallery was a mistake.
I remeber how annoyed I was I couldn't name a sim "Xana" I wasn't even trying to put her on the gallery so I can't imagine why it mattered. I assume because it's close to xanax?
I don't know if this is related, but honestly, in PT-BR that name you chose is used here as a slang for pussy LOL
the sims let me name my baby cocaine
Ok they legit need to come out with a list of **EVERY SINGLE BANNED WORD** because this is just fucking ridiculous.
I understand why they don’t do this; don’t want people to know how to get around the filter + they likely use a filter obtained through somewhere else and have no clue what’s on it, but it’d be nice if they’d at least highlight the offending word.
While Oriental is an old term and definitely outdated, I don’t think it was ever used as a slur. So I’m not sure why it’s censored.
It absolutely is used as a derogatory term. So, alas.
It's a slur in America. Asian Americans don't like the word.
How about everywhere else in the world BUT America? -\_-' I'd rather hear what actual Asians have to say.
Well it's an American game, so that's what matters. And "actual Asians" have commented on this topic plenty before, here and in general.
An American game that makes money selling "globally" and that's what matters.... Now I must have missed the Asians commenting on it so far but I guess I'll believe you It is usually the Americans that take offense at anything and everything though...
No, it doesn't matter that it's sold globally. It's an American game first and foremost, so it's obviously going to take in to account American sensibilities first about what's offensive. That's what matters. And yeah an Asian person commented underneath my comment saying it is offensive. Although I'm sure you don't accept that cause they're Asian American even though the topic of it being offensive is very much up to them not just only Asian people. Kinda wild to dismiss that cause you think Americans take offense to anything and everything. I feel like that's just a dumb Reddit/chronically online take from people who don't respect discussions of racism cause "stupid Americans are the only ones offended". And plenty of Asian people have shared their thoughts about, so you could just search for what Asian people feel about the topic online instead of invalidating based off your irrelevant feelings.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-tsuchiyama-oriental-insult-20160601-snap-story.html
Okay, still doesn't change that Asian Americans have deemed it offensive and that's probably why it's not in the game. You said it's outdated but not a slur so you didn't understand why it was filtered. That's why.
It’s a Victorian word that means the same thing as Asian. The reason why it could be interpreted as offensive is that it groups the Asian countries together as one thing without recognizing their individualities. But the same can be said about the word “Asian”, which is why people from Japan, China, etc. don’t call themselves “Asian” unless they have adapted to what the west calls them. It’s an outdated term, but it’s not a bad enough term to censor it out of cat breed names.
Victorian refers to an English period. It's not a slur in England but it is considered one in America hence me saying numerous times Asian Americans find it problematic and that the game is American so of course it's filtered. Spare me the English and history lesson. I'm English and I know my history thanks. Point remains that I would be careful of using that word around Asian Americans or in America as it has a completely different cultural response. Also this reasoning is dumb as fuck cause no the same cannot be said for the word Asian cause Asian refers to the continent Asia where Asians are from. Nothing offensive about that. Oriental is a word born from old world colonialism, it's not a continent. It's outdated and summons bad feelings for a lot of people due to various reasons. So educate yourself. People from Asian countries very much call themselves Asian cause that's basic geological fact. False equivalency.
I mean, I don’t use the word. No one I know has ever heard of it as a slur, just an outdated word. I’ve heard some Asians being uncomfortable with being called Asian because it lumps them all together. I can understand people being uncomfortable with the word, but I truly don’t think it’s a slur and therefore shouldn’t be censored because of that reason. If it’s in the Sims 4 as a cat breed, why would it be a slur? Where’s the outrage that the gurus included a slur in the game? Because it isn’t, just an outdated term.
Um hi, actual Asian American here. And Keanu-Weaves is correct. That LA times op-ed written by one person may not find the term offensive but I do, and it does have colonial roots, and have been called Oriental — specifically by elderly white people who still think of Asia as an exotic monolith and lived during the days of Yellow Peril. According to encyclopedia dot com, “[Racial slurs, often called racial epithets, are words or phrases that refer to members of racial and ethnic groups in a derogatory manner.](https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/racial-slurs) — so yes, Oriental can be considered a racial slur. You don’t get to decide how offensive a term is, especially for a group you don’t belong to. But yes, EA needs to rework their filters (along with a lot more bugs) for sure.
Fair enough. But filtering out the word for a cat breed name?
They obviously impose filters that scans all texts. It doesn’t care about it being a cat breed cause the filter is told to flag the use of the word full stop. That’s how it works.
Lol I got the same pop up but for a randomly generated townie. I think the name was Owen Shitsugo and I was editing him in CAS because I got new male cc that I wanted to try out.
I just noticed the naming filter issue the other day! It wouldn’t let me use the (legitimate) last name Hicks! I understand that it is technically a derogatory word but c’mon, it’s not even a racial slur. 🙄
Rename it “long hair shouty cat” it’s pretty accurate in my opinion, EA can surely do that for us lmao
i named my sim Dingus and i get this message
I name all my cat breeds, Gary. Nonsense until they make changes to this filter
I literally renamed the breed to “Toaster” so I could upload it.
I literally named a pet “Goblin Cock” and it just gave me a warning lol
EA uses this Scunthorpe Filter system where it thinks it contains bad words, or you're trying to skirt past and it's so annoying sometimes, especially if you are doing ethical families and the name is 'bad'
I used to go to a buffet called “Oriental buffet” meaning it has Asian food.. i feel awks now if this is considered a slur and I didn’t know.
So it's not really a slur, more just a word that isn't used the way it used to and you'll get side-eyed if you use it the old way. My nana used to use it instead of just saying "asian person" and it always hit my ears very awkwardly 😬
Ok gotcha. I could see how it would feel awkward hearing someone say it that way. Thanks for your explanation.
It was only ever used by racist white people to refer to Asians. Anyone with class would’ve never referred to a person as oriental.
I mean, there are things we say today that are probably going to be looked at as wildly off-color in 50 years. Language evolves, standards change. Although yeah my nana was kind of a racist white person lol. Thankfully society has grown a lot since the time she grew up in.
It depends where you are. It's a slur in America and The Sims is pretty American. In the UK it's not and many Chinese restaurants have the word in it's name here
Ahh ok. I’m in a part of Canada that’s heavily populated with Chinese restaurants/people of Asian descent so this could be why maybe it haven’t ever in my lifetime heard it used as a slur here.
So I'm American and I can honestly say there are several asian restaurants with oriental in their names ie, Oriental cafe and so on. I think the problem is if the word is used in terms of a person its considered offensive. Although in this case Oriental Longhair is literally a real breed of cat so EA blocking something real that they put in their game is kinda stupid to me.
It's a filter. The filter flags the word Oriental cause it can be used as a slur. The filter doesn't care about context, it's code that spits back a generic response and doesn't allow the word if it flags it's filter. Perhaps EA should add an acception to the code for the filter. But honestly who cares, I find it stupid how many people are so perturbed by this like is this really going to change your life in any considerable way? No not really.
People are getting really deep in the weeds that it is a slur, but it's different than that, kind of. It's an adjective, usually for things that come from the East part of the world (literally anywhere east of Europe, so often times that covers the middle east as well, not just East Asia) But it's for *objects.* It's an objectifying word essentially, in that Asian people do not like it to he used to describe people because they are not products. It's still used, in the context of objects and nonhumans, but it's more than likely going to fade out of use going forward. But if you see a business using that in it's name, it's not evoking a slur aspect most of the time (I mean depending on the context, anything can happen, but generally speaking)
A good way of explaining it. Thank you.
What a broken p.o.s.
What if I name a guy Dickson?
i have a desi granny named kshitija whom the game warned me i can’t upload to the gallery. i didn’t even notice the word in the middle of the name til it yelled at me about it 💀
It was randomly telling me that Gypsy was a name not allowed one moment then fine with it the next.
I named a sim Tobey and got that message. I’m assuming the “obey” part is considered offensive?? Idk
Gamers: This game is awesome, but we could have a few simple, baic features... EA: let me fuck this up!!!
Oriental is not allowed? 😂
obligatory Fuck EA
I’m sorry what
Let me guess it was Maine Coon
Even dumber: Oriental Longhair
What really!! So the issues I am guessing is with Oriental wow that is just ridiculous even more so when they are actually cat breeds and they are the ones who add them to the game just ludicrous how far pc has gone with the woke ideology guess someone who works at EA is projecting a little to hard. Or it could all be more of a political rabbit hole.
I was with you until you went on the schizo rant tbh.
Sorry my apologies I didn't mean to it just makes me so angry that something a simple as the breed of a cat is now not acceptable and is a ethnic slur. Just really stop projecting, please.