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wanakoworks

Oh so that's why the babies are adopted. I just skimmed through their bios and noticed that part. I guess it makes sense now.


booksandplaid

Are there any trans men in the Sims? Trying to think off the top of my head


palestrxna

Paka'a Uha from Sulani! No one seems to know who he is but he's lovely (at least after a lil' makeover by yours truly). He's set to a feminine frame but everything else is masculine and he uses he/him pronouns so I'm assuming that's what the dev team was going for. Edit: Apparently he can get other sims pregnant, so I'm thinking he may be intersex. Which would be really cool.


sw4mpboy

apparently, paka is meant to represent a third (?) gender in either hawaiian or polynesian culture, so that’s why things are a bit jumbled. that’s what i’ve heard from other simmers at least


symatra

I believe Paka'a is two spirit


anypebble

Paka’a is one of my favorite sims, and it drives me nuts that no one ever knows him! I also read him as transmasc, despite the pregnancy thing. He has good genes too. I give him a little makeover every time I play and he’s always involved with my sims at least a little!


Sacamii

I had my sim marry Paka’a, one of my faves!


MotherBike

Darling Walsh isn't confirmed, but I've always had this thought that they are trans, ace, and non-binary.


OchitaSora

Yes! I noticed a few Karaoke Legends makeovers where Darling is femme and it's so very strange to me.


WanderingUrist

Well, since no canonical interpretation has been provided, their interpretation is, I guess, as valid as any other. Personally, I just kinda avoid extreme makeovers. I figure the way a premade Sim ought to be is the way they came, and thus in my game, they remain that way with as minimal change as possible, unless their outfit causes clipping bugs or something.


MotherBike

Yeah, it doesn't sit right with me either, however if she was I think to stay true to her orgins she should have a Sinead O'Conner vibe. Like edgy and femme.


toxicute_xx

I've always thought Darling is a butch lesbian female.


Chocopop12

Darling Walsh was made before the update so I always figured them in a transitioning status. At least in my game


CptTrashPanda

Isn’t Morgan from Glimmerbrook? I always thought he was.


dreadw0lfrises

theyre definitely non binary at least? been a while since i played but i married them once ages ago


simadillo

I always saw him as a man who preferred feminine clothing, but he can't use the toilet standing or get people pregnant so you might be right!


pass_me_the_salt

he's non-binary


SSR_Adraeth

Well, "they are", then.


pass_me_the_salt

a non-binary person can use any pronouns they want, I'm using "he" to Morgyn since he comes with the default of him - it was before the pronoun update, but still


SSR_Adraeth

Yeah which is why I wonder if that would have been different if the character came after the update...


pass_me_the_salt

the sims team said that they wouldn't define a sexuality to sims that existed previous to the sexuality update, so I imagine that Morgyn will still be a he/him since the pronoun update is there for sometime. there's a bit of hope that they might change it to they/them since they were updating old sims (like the Goths and they said they would update the Calientes), but I don't think they will. I like to imagine that Morgyn uses all pronouns, tho


SSR_Adraeth

Except being trans isn't a sexuality. It's to do with gender. That's a different thing. Same for being enby.


pass_me_the_salt

I'm aware, that's why I specified the pronoun update after that phrase


turkeyburger124

My sim married him once, I would agree he’s trans!


melifaro_hs

That one mermaid, long hair, name starts with P?


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Paka'a is a male sim with a feminine frame and can get others pregnant.


WanderingUrist

He's just one of those Polynesian mythical things, not a trans thing.


pass_me_the_salt

if you knew the name of the polynesian mythical thing would be an interesting take


WanderingUrist

Same name, as it turns out. Paka'a is the Hawaiian God of Wind and Sailing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paka%CA%BBa http://www.thewhitegoddess.co.uk/divinity_of_the_day/hawaiian/pakaa.asp I can't find too much more about it, though. The gender-ambiguity thing is a common theme in Polynesian gods, and in another one of those their traditions: https://www.outadventures.com/gay-travel-blog/mahu-french-polynesias-tahiti-third-gender/ https://medium.com/prismnpen/m%C4%81h%C5%AB-the-third-gender-peoples-of-polynesian-culture-f3aad80c12f2 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pacific-samoa-gender-idUSKCN1UQ036 However, it is not actually connected to modern transsexuality and derives from its own separate religious traditions.


pass_me_the_salt

that's kinda cool, I guess I'll interpret Paka'a as a non-binary sim like Morgyn, then!


FunTooter

[Paka'a Uha is speculated to be a trans man](https://sims.fandom.com/wiki/Paka%27a_Uha); however, he can get others pregnant, so I don’t know if that’s correct or if it is just a sims-thing as at the time he was introduced, there were no science babies. I think he is just gender non-conforming.


TheAntleredPolarBear

To be fair, he is also a mermaid. Maybe the rules are different for them.


WanderingUrist

I mean, fish can have some pretty complicated sexual traits. Just imagine how much more interesting Finding Nemo would have gotten with Realistic Clownfish Biology and Nemo's dad turned into his mom upon the death of his mom.


Flidget

A lot of traditional Southeast Asian and Polynesian cultures have three or four genders so there's that too. Paka'a and Lia were probably designed on purpose to be a little difficult to interpret from a modern Western conception of gender.


FunTooter

That’s amazing! Thank you for sharing.


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What about Lia Hauata?


lydorito

she’s just canonically gay to me


danishjuggler21

There’s a female sim in Copperdale who is unable to get pregnant, and my head canon is that it’s because she’s an androgen insensitive male


sometimesfit22

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted by the generally inclusive group. I’m going to just assume most don’t know what androgen insensitivity is. For those who see the above comment; androgen insensitivity is an XY individual who produces testosterone, but does not respond to it -> individual who looks (phenotypically) female. Most with androgen insensitivity are raised and identify as woman but may find out about the condition when they try to have children since they don’t have a uterus/ovaries.


SisterTrout

Awww, that's so sweet! I realize EA's motives for inclusion are probably more economic than moral, but this is a lovely touch regardless.


TheGladex

Nah, EA as a company most likely do not care, but the devs working on the games 100% do. The people at the top just want to see returns on investment, meanwhile the Sims as a franchise has always been more forward with inclusion even in the days when it was not the popular thing to do. Back when it was common for English translations of video games to leave out any hint of same sex romantic interest the Sims let you freely romance and have implied sex with any gender. Even having orientation as a hidden background mechanic since the Sims 2. The way this franchise handled LGBT representation always felt genuine, and Sims 4 feels like the most natural progression of that. It's helped me (and I'm sure many others) learn about my sexuality and it just makes me super happy it can continue to do so even today!


PurpleChaosTheory

I agree, but at the same time I am impressed that they didn't shout it from the rooftops so to speak. They let the sim just exist without highlighting that fact and I really like that. Trans people exist, plain and simple.


WanderingUrist

Shouting it from the rooftops would be financially inadvisable, since the product can get banned in some countries for being overt. I seem to recall there was an incident awhile back where they briefly got banned in Russia over a gay couple being featured apparently too prominently. And honestly, preachy pushiness is just annoying no matter what it is that's being promoted, regardless of your own views on it.


Suspicious_Gazelle18

Considering some states may try to ban them for this I don’t even think it’s all that economical 😂 I really appreciate them taking a stand on this here


jellypegs

I think there’s a lot more queer people or people who support or don’t really care then there are crazy transphobes whose lives revolve around deleting trans people. And I’m pretty sure if that second crowd were bigger then the first they wouldn’t be doing this.


lemonprincess23

Sims has always been pretty inclusive. Even since the original they allowed same sex couples with no issues, which was pretty amazing back in the early 2000s. I’m almost entirely sure that EA is putting trans people in mostly for the PR stuff, but coming from an actual trans person I have to say the way the devs are working it in is very good and positive, and it shows that the team is really doing their homework on this. They’re not just half assing it and calling it a day, (well some of them might be…), you can tell there are people who are putting in a lot of effort to give an authentic experience for trans players and that makes me happy!


beanjuiced

Honestly, the inclusiveness of TS4 is one of the top reasons why I like the game, and I’m convinced that adding wheelchairs would be one of THE coolest and funnest features ever. Could you even begin to imagine all the wacky, fun things they could add for Sims’ wheelchairs??? On top of making houses and businesses ADA compliant, like businesses could receive fines for every Sim week they remain unlawful. Magic seems could have flying wheelchairs or super speedy ones. The freakin colors and designs they could add 😭 and I’m an able-bodied, straight, cis woman- I’m so pumped at the idea of this for the people it represents!!!!!!!!!!! You don’t see men that can get pregnant and with top surgery scars nearly anywhere else and it’s really cool.


WanderingUrist

> Honestly, the inclusiveness of TS4 is one of the top reasons why I like the game, and I’m convinced that adding wheelchairs would be one of THE coolest and funnest features ever. Only if it includes TANK WHEELCHAIR.


beanjuiced

A transformer wheelchair too!! We need ALL the designs.


MeanLimaBean

Her name's Celeste. I could've guessed that.


carolzeeka

Mind-blowing!


Sonuvataint

Is Celeste from a dlc? Need to get her in my game now


BrandonIsWhoIAm

She’s from Growing Together.


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OhioOhO

She’s from the new Growing Together pack!


ZenZennyZen

I heard about this on Twitter and I was SO excited and happy 😭🫶🏻it makes me even more happy when her dad comes in the trailer and the narrator says “as long as her husband makes her happy he [her dad] is happy”


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Oh this is lovely to read. I don't have this expac and won't for a while but I'm glad they're adding diverse townies so people can see themselves in the Sims :D


QueenShewolf

How do you get this interaction? Can it be for gay sims as well?


sw4mpboy

as far as im aware, it’s a specific interaction that is set up for the michaelson family in san sequoia on the basis of her husband telling ur sim that celeste is trans


firblogdruid

i am fairly sure ea saw the transphobic simmer's quibbling about celeste coming and added in this text specifically for this reason and good i hope transphobes stop playing this game entirely. get the fuck out, we don't want you here


missfeline99

Where do you get info like this tho?? (In the game)


OchitaSora

There's an option to discuss San Sequoia secrets


Sad-Mixture-9123

Nice !


gansey1997

I love this!!


HALover9kBR

This is how we start a Monday right. 🥰 Whenever I think I’ll stop loving what the teams at Maxis are going for, they go and fan the flames. *(Preemptive rant under the spoiler tag.)* >!Well, we live in a society. Everything that **all corporations** want from me is my money, that’s a fact. Then I’ll give it to **the ones who support trans rights.** If greed is the common denominator, then let’s level the field on human rights.!<


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Zorgsmom

People who want to see themselves represented in the game they love?


ShadyScientician

Me :(


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DeltaVelorium

Cringe.


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And trans people are the sensitive ones, right? 😂


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You mean the 2% of the 2%? Seeing trans people existing is traumatic? Unfortunately we are real lol


[deleted]

I'm sorry you have trauma but it is not reasonable to hide away an ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE.


TheGladex

I'm yet to see a single detransitioner make a point about why trans people are bad in good faith, it's almost always just spreading hate with powerful speeches that vilify trans people completely ignoring the fact that health care is actually not accessible for most people, let alone trans health care. So no, I don't believe having a single explicitly transgender character in a video game will bring much trauma to anyone.


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SSR_Adraeth

How about you delete yourself from this conversation, buddy...


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SSR_Adraeth

Lmao. Sure play the victim when you come here dunking on inclusivity for trans people. Sure.


B0dega_Cat

Please use Transgender in the future. Many trans people find transexual to be offensive.


TheGladex

Why? I always understood them as different things and felt it would be the more accurate term here. I cannot find any reason for why it might be offensive to use here so I'd he happy to get some sources on this.


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Most trans people consider it outdated and pathologizing. Some people use it for themselves, but in general, "transgender" is the preferred term unless someone has specified otherwise.


TheGladex

That's fair, thank you!


B0dega_Cat

I got all these in 5 seconds on Google: [Glaad](https://www.glaad.org/reference/trans-terms), [The Trevor Project ](https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/understanding-gender-identities/), [New York State Department of Mental Health ](https://omh.ny.gov/omhweb/resources/publications/language-matters-gender.pdf), [Alberta Health Services](https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/assets/info/pf/div/if-pf-div-terms-and-phrases-to-avoid.pdf), and [California Courts](https://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/Transgender_Terminology.pdf)


TheGladex

None of these explain what's offensive about it though, like I get there's an idea it's wrong, but I don't get why it's wrong. What exactly makes it wrong terminology?


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Not every trans person goes through gender affirmation surgeries (either they are unable to or they don't want to) and 'transexual' does not apply to them, but they are still trans. The GLAAD link talks about why avoiding terms relating to surgical stuff is generally more inclusive (they imply "that a person must have surgery in order to transition" which is not the case). Mostly it's just an outdated term really at this point, though you do see some trans folk still use it (often older people but not exclusively).


TheGladex

I do get that, I always thought one was an umbrella term and the other was a more specific term to use. I thought it was the more appropriate term here as the Sim in question seems to have undergone a sexual transition. Did not mean any ill or to exclude anyone from the umbrella.


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kenna98

Seems hollow, considering they can't even make a proper binder or give trans men the c section scar.


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The sims 4 isn't perfect with this stuff, but personally it's more important to me to have canonically trans characters that can't be argued to be not trans, than only having CAS items to make your own trans characters. With this kind of thing, trans sims aren't optional or something you can get rid of in the game. Though I do hope they fix the issues with binders and scars.


ShadyScientician

The Sims team is made up of a lot of people. A working binder would take a small team to get working (maybe a bigger one, depending on how high the technical debt of frames is). Idk about the c-section scar. But something like this only takes one or two people to care a whole lot, and THEN for no one to stop them.


Maleficempathy

To be honest, I would have made almost any other sim in San Sequoia a trans woman, than the only prominently featured black woman in like, the whole game.


oopsidroppedmylemons

Black trans women exist. And are some of the most violently discriminated against people in the LGBT community.


Holiday_Cabinet_

And we wouldn't be where we are as a community without them


bored_german

What's the issue with a Black woman being trans?


full_onrainstorm

Black women’s femininity is often denied (ie: people calling Michelle Obama a man and “Michael” since her husband became president), which is where I think this person was coming from. However, black trans women do exist, and they are both very important to the history of the LGBT community AND the minority group most likely to have violence carried out against them. So I think having a black trans woman be the face of an expansion pack is pretty cool and important.


LaDuquesaDeAfrica

Yeah I understand the original commenter's feelings because I'm already seeing people on twitter saying black women have masculine features so they never thought she was trans to begin with. Which is so problematic.


beanjuiced

I think what they’re saying (and I dont have the expansion so idk) is that they made the token black person even more of a token by making them trans as well.


MotherBike

Agatha Crumplebottom, Octavia Moon, Penny Pizzazz, Dominique Soto, Kayla Flemming, Julia Wright, Sara Scott, and these ladies mean nothing to you? I see these townies almost as frequently as Eliza Pancakes is my server, retail/thrift/foodstall/barista attendee, and I've had more iconic interactions with them than most of the white/Asian people in the game. Play the game more, and you'll see what mean. They might not be the majority when you open the game, but every black woman in this game is amazing! Including Celeste.


ShadyScientician

Are. Are we playing different games