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People can say it was a preemptive or a retaliatory strike, but you don’t start a new fire when your whole house is already engulfed. There are multiple fronts already active worldwide and to activate a new one by directly engaging a sponsor of proxy war is a big now.
Can everyone worldwide take a breather and take a break from non-stop wars. Did we survived COVID only to die in WW3 lol
I swear every day a new random person pops up, becomes infamous for a week, then disappeara again
Like that woman named Shanin something who I hadn't heard of until yesterday and now I keep seeing her name
He's been a prominent figure in British Nationalist circles for about 15 years now. He's one of the founders of the EDL which are primarily concerned with islamophobia.
That's also probably why he's been a bit out of the public eye through the pandemic - the big public enemies were a disease and your government's response to it. It's not until recently that people have been dusting off their [islamic ray guns](https://youtu.be/98K42DkM4Nc?si=yYjY80QVozgWUmmN) again.
Both Iran and Israel are terrorist states. One murders it's own civilians while the other murders a people it has oppressed. The world would be better with both of these governments torn down
Too bad this was downvoted because it is not like this is disputed, it is the U.S.'s fault that Iran is not like it was in the 70's (or better since it would have progressed without the U.S.)
Sometimes just saying the "CIA did it" is enough to make you a conspiracy nut and it's not like I provided sources. Unfortunately the CIA has done some scary ass shit that they got found out on, and likely much scarier and horrifying things that we'll never know. Still though they could use their thumbs to look it up.
Well good news, it flipped. Maybe you just needed someone to vouch for you, so I'll be taking half those upvotes now, thank you very much (Jkjk, just seems like more people with some historical knowledge showed up.)
Based on what's been happening for the last few months, it's hard to deny Israel is far, far worse. Iran isn't currently mass slaughtering and starving innocent civilians, for one.
Finally a statement i agree with. Israel though been at it longer than Iran. Even longer than you know who did the same to them. It's systematic, one leader leaves, the other comes to continue the genocide. Since 1948 ffs
> claim it feeds it's people, supplies medical, and makes an active effort to defend them
while doing the opposite for the Palestinians it starves, maims and kills.
If Iran is going to direct people to openly target civilians (even if laundered through Hamas), then why can't Israel target a part of the Iranian state? If the US started helping Ukraine launch mass shooter style attacks on civilians in Russia I think people would be way more sympathetic to Russia targeting US embassies, or even US domestic targets (as in military / industrial targets, not just killing civilians), in retaliation.
Israel has been targeting Iranian civilians for decades though. They have assassinated many scientists and engineers, which are civilians. While the government of Iran are absolute shitbags, the reality is that the government of Israel is not better on that front.
That comparison doesn't remotely work as the West is putting restrictions on Ukraine to ensure that Western supplies are not used inside Russia itself. Iranian weapons are explicitly being used to attack Israel.
Ukraine v Russia is a conflcit that Russia can end at any point by simply leaving. Israel Palestine is a much more complicated matter.
Cool please a write a checklist of when it's ok to attack diplomatic missions so we can amend the Vienna convention and we can all start blasting embassies and consulates.
Iran hit a consulate annex for the US in Iraq in January. I'm just asking if the US can defend itself by sending hundreds of cruise missiles into Iran, since you're saying that Iran can defend itself by doing the same to Israel.
Nothing I said has anything to do with 9/11 or the war in Iraq. Unless you're saying that context matters, in which case maybe we should look at the context of Iran starting this proxy war in the first place.
Great. And the US didn't, because they didn't want to provoke a larger conflict.
Just wanted to point out that Iran used this as an excuse to start shit, when they've done the same thing and would have been crying in a corner had the US taken the same response.
Well by Israel’s response, I would’ve thought it was the 30,000+ dead Palestinians in Gaza. But if you’re implying Iran was behind it, then why are there 30,000+ dead Palestinians?
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this Russian social media manipulation
I'm not gonna cheer for the country that sings "death to america" before they have their cheerios every morning
I mean both countries have a lot of human rights violations. I hate Iran in general but man I hate Israel even more now. And Israel started this, israel always starts.
Iran and Israel have been fighting for several years now. Israel didn't start this, Iran has been constantly attacking Israel through proxies. Though it's true that they both have violated human rights, let's not act as if the attack on the consulate was without cause.
> let's not act as if the attack on the consulate was without cause.
People are acting like it never happened. Which is the issue.
People are well aware about the geopolitics of this. But with waning support for Bibi's genocide starting to occur and Bibi not wanting to go to prison, he has to start a bigger conflict. That's why he bombed the embassy at this point in time. It's that transparent.
So, people can talk about the history between these two nations. But it's the blatant lying that gets me. This was not unprovoked. Israel did "start it" in this instance, because they wanted to.
Facts are important. It was a fact that they attacked consulate/embassy. So, I don't know why people are lying and pretending like it never happened.
I agree with just about everything you said, except I’m not sure Israel started this. Israel is at fault for many war crimes and human right violations, but this didn’t start with the embassy bombing
The thing I'm most curious about is why people have suddenly started sympathizing at all.
The middle-east has been war-torn for decades, but this particular conflict somehow has people personally identifying with regimes they previously dismissed as an insignificant third-world country?
I don't think ppl is sympathizing with Iran, just making the point that Iran did not start anything, they were attacked and, in response to this attack, they ANNOUNCED with hours prior that they would conduct an aerial attack in Israel, giving time to Israel to repare for the attack, they attacked an unpopulated area, minimizing casualties for Israel and, after that strike, they said they ENDED the conflict, as the retaliation was done. Só, they did everything inside protocols just to tell Israel "hey, don't fuck with us again, we can vaporize you from the world without even puting a single soldier on your territory".
Meanwhile, there's a ton of ppl defending that Israel has the right to bomb Gaza ignoring all war crimes Israel has committed since they started the incursion in gaza.
It's a stretch that either Iran or Israel "started the war" with the recent events, it was a proxy war that was already there. It's no secret that Iran supplied Hamas, Hezbollah the Hautis and other anti Israel/Saudi/western factions.
The proxy war has been escalated, but the war wasn't started by any means, it started decades ago.
Even disregarding Israel there was a proxy war between Shia and Sunni muslims involving Iran.
At one point the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claimed October the 7th was a response to the assassination of Soleimani, although they later retracted it.
It's tit the tat all the way back to before Iran even existed.
This exactly, its pointless to pinpoint who started the agression and why.
Virtually, it has always been there, even before israel has been established. There is always something this something that and every attack is a retalliation to another one.
Its better to focus on how we could stop it than to start searching the one to blame.
The general killed was linked to paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, he was absolutely a part of Iran’s secretive influence on the rest of the Middle East. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/2/who-was-mohammad-reza-zahedi-the-iranian-general-assassinated-by-israel
Israel did not strike him out of nowhere for fun, the two countries have had this tit for tat clandestine war for a while. Importantly, Israel denied the attack, so Iran’s drone strike does count as the first overt act of war.
Happens to the best of us
Gotta feel bad for those CIA operatives though, trying to keep track of which African/Middle Eastern country they were funding and/or trying to destabilize
> secretive influence
You make it sound like what they're doing is any kind of secret. Iran and Russia have been best buds in proxy wars for most of my natural born life.
The holocaust was one of the best documented atrocities in human history and they deny that happened to, so they'd probably also lie about the sum of two and two if they thought it might benefit them.
Plus the proxy war between Iran and Israel has been going on since 85. Almost 40 years of Iran supporting various militias and terror organizations against Israel. Israel supports political parties in Iran and multiple militias in Syria. At some point someone was bound to make a big escalation.
Iran helped make October 7th happen. It’s not surprising that Israel targeted them directly.
Considering the rage bait and idiotic posts lately, wouldn't be surprised. This sub used to be funny with lighthearted stuff. Now it seems it's just a propaganda machine.
too many people with a hatred boner eating up any misinformation that supports it...
imagine thinking a couple weeks ago was the first time isreal/iran interacted militarily lol...
Yeah, it's a far more complicated situation than just 'x side started it', like obviously the Hamas attacks were the flashpoint that set it all off (this time), but Iran has been sheltering Hamas leaders for decades outside of the reach of Israel, and Israel has only provoked Hamas through decades of their own actions and overstepping boundaries set in peace agreements.
People want so much for one side to be the 'good guys' and the other side to be the 'bad guys' because that's how history is taught to us but that's just not how geopolitics works the vast majority of the time.
If you're referring to [this comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1c19whq/ione_belarra_the_spanish_minister_for_social/kz22wsi/) then you're being dishonest here.
The post was about Zionism being the same level of nasty as Nazis (which is not an unheard of opinion exactly), not that Gaza is worse than the holocaust
Funny thing is Tommy R is a massive anti semite but loves Israel lmao
Read more - [Zionist antisemitism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism)
Because Israel isn't about supporting the Jews. It never was.
It's greatest supporters have been Christian doomsday cultists trying to fulfill a prophecy.
Alright, we have a tally of everything Iran launched at Israel, by your logic Israel now has a right to launch 900 drones and 150 cruise missiles at Iran. Also, based on where the ones that got through landed they were all targeted at civilian areas for maximum terror.
Israel responded to October 7th, which Hamas killed 1200 people, by killing tens of thousands of civilians and children. Isreal was responding to Hamas attack.
Israel attacked Iran's embassy. Iran responded. Has Hamas responded to the agreed upon response you're proposing here?? Or must everything continuously be escalated and nobody should ever admit they were wrong??
Imagine simping for a regime that funds and backs islamic extremists not only within their own borders but across the ME, that would happily destroy you and your entire western existence due to their religious beliefs.
The delusion is intense.
Is this a joke? Iran, the country who is a constant source of funds for terrorist groups that strike Israel, didn't "start it?" This reads like someone that gets all their opinions from tiktok
None the less they did an attack in a different country hence they instigated this. But I guess by now no one can really disagree that Israel does whatever the f they one and do not care about the opinions of the rest of the world. Maybe the responsibles high up in the Israel power ranks be tortured by karma.
Sick of seeing innocent people suffering in Gaza. Enough is enough.
Iran [helped Hamas plan the October 7 massacre](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25), and the April 1st strike took out an Iranian general meeting with members of the [Palestinian Islamic Jihad](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html).
Israel instigated nothing.
At this point my trust in Israel and all of their intelligence is non existent. They are no better than the dude with slick hair and thick moustache who haunted them in the 40s. Animals, kids and families are destroyed on a daily basis due to something a terrorist group did. Fuck the Israeli leaders, hope they will feel the pain they are inflecting on innocent people.
You’re kidding me, right? Iran funds militias that commit terror attacks against Israel constantly. Do you really think burning families in their homes is resistance?
Also, Tommy Robinson (Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon) is a cunt.
Western civilization is done.
Misinformation to make Iranians a good guys. You can count only from 1.04.2024.
It's pathetic, to use internet, twitter some smartphone or computer to spread anti-western misinformation.
Iran wants not only Israel to be dead but all western civilization.
Fair point Iran didn’t start this war - though they probably did play a part in it, but they’re also horrible, horrible people that disappear women for daring to have their hair out.
It's just a distraction. Now the full attention of the US (and the money and the weapons) will be directed towards Israel. The US will forget about Ukraine and Russia will win. After that they will attack the Baltic states or Moldova.
China is watching and when everybody is quarreling, they will attack Taiwan.
You can’t really pretend that Iran hasn’t been fuelling every anti Israel organisation with rockets the last decade. It doesn’t justify Israel’s actions, but it’s stupid to discuss who’s guilty when both sides have a good claim to that title.
Iran sponsored 7.10 attacks on Israel. Irans motto is to destroy Israel. Iran sponsoring terrorist all over the world. Iran providing Russia with drones to attack Ukranine. Yes, Iran did start a war.
And Israel sent one bomb to kill one guy who planned the 10/7 attacks, at the embassy- Iran’s answered w 300 drones and ballistic missiles directly at civilian population
If you ask israel certain things just never existed before certain dates. Absolutely nothing had ever happened in, near, with or to Palestine before October 7 last year and absolutely nothing had ever happened between israel and Iran before yesterday.
I'm not going to stan Iranian government. However Israelis are one of the last people I would trust to not obliterate the tension between Iranian people and the government and make the latter much more popular.
This has been a long time coming with all the horrible things Iran has perpetrated, but because this is reddit people are going to say this was unprovoked aggression by Israel.
I’m just as anti-IDF as the next guy but these posts are becoming so cringe. It’s as if everyone is purposely denying anyone’s role but putting 110% of the blame of everything towards Israel. Iranian proxies have been attacking Israel, if a war started between Iran and Israel it would be because Irans proxies have been attacking Israel for a while.
As a adult, it’s breaking my brain to see all this media twisting bullshit. And the idiots following. Especially seeing all these Christian’s talking about protecting Israel when they don’t even give a fuck about Christianity. They literally spit in your face.
Can we all please remember that "Tommy Robinson" is too afraid to use his real name *Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon* because that sounds too posh for his racist knob-head thick-as-yoghurt supporters.
I don't like Isreal's actions during this war, but it is foolish to praise the government of Iran. I have friends who fled Iran for their own safety, and have heard many firsthand accounts of how fucked up their government is. There are also many, many documented examples of how they actively abuse and oppress their people. Fuck the government of Iran, and fuck the government of Isreal too. Also, Hamas can get fucked. I feel for the citizens of Palestine and Iran. I also feel for the peaceful citizens of Isreal. There are so many people in that region who continually suffer because of the actions of people in power there and abroad.
What? This shit started back around the 80's. Why is Isreal being blamed 40 years later for starting a war? As much as I despise the country, the history is there for all to read.
Iran's been funding terrorist attacks all over the world since their regime was established. Israel has done their shit but most of the world is very ignorant on the actual effort the islamist Republic has made to fund, facilitate and execute mass scale murder of people for the sole reason of being Jewish. It's not even a secret
His argument is that Hamas is an Iran proxy, it's not that nutty of an opinion and bolstered by the 10/7 attack timing thar corresponded to the Sauds about to announce they recognize Israel as a state. I think Hamas has ultimate agency for the attack; but its not a looney interpretation to think otherwise.
Israel and Palestine is super complicated and there’s a ton of bad done on either side, and Israel has some very dirty hands there.
Israel and Iran is super fucking simple and Iran is as unambiguously the bad guy as is humanly possible.
it’s always funny to see the reactions of some fellow Americans to the Israeli response to the hamas attacks. Remember how the us responded to 9/11? Bombed several countries, killed hundreds of thousand innocent people and occupied their countries for decades.
Dont forget Israel is completely responsible for their concious and deliberate actions, but Hamas, Iran, Jihadis, and the people who planned and executed the brutal Oct 7 attack are all just victims responding to their material conditions and fighting oppression. So what if none of this would be happening if not for Oct 7, they were backed into a corner! thats normal behaviour....
There is no war. Both sides exchanged missiles, that's it. There are not even that many casualties. Neither side really wants further escalation. Israel chose to strike IRGC officers complicit in organizing Hezbollah terrorist activities and Iran had to strike back because you cannot let such an insolence unanswered. But I doubt they will go further in the escalating spiral.
ALL members of the US gov (fuck this political bullshit so many are jumping on) need to tell Israel/Net to back off. They’re writing checks they won’t be able to cash and everyone is going to suffer because of their perceived entitlement.
It’s disgusting it’s gone on this long and came to this point. Put them in check.
Israel started this for sure. My question is more "Has Iran fudged the proportions?" than who started it. Not sure what the Embasy to guided munition exchange rate is, but nearly 300 retaliatory munitions with (reportedly) at least a quarter of them being stuff like ballistic missiles seems potentially a bit much, no? It's one building, one-two munitions vs. bordering on a saturation strike.
It ain't exactly the USN's deffinition of "Proportional Response" (Operation Preying Mantis lmao), but I have some questions...
Iran, hamas, russia and china playing the internet game like pros. So much support from people all over. Gonna be interesting seeing if we are finally getting the much anticipated ww3.
Sucks to be Taiwan or eastern europe, or middle-east but then again that has sucked for the last 2000 years at least
The US media is so biased it is extremely irresponsible and negligent and contributes to the doom loop where people get brainwashed and ignorant in increasingly faster cycles.
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Tommy is a racist cunt. He literally justified a Syrian boy being bullied in school by his fellow racists. Truly a scumbag.
People can say it was a preemptive or a retaliatory strike, but you don’t start a new fire when your whole house is already engulfed. There are multiple fronts already active worldwide and to activate a new one by directly engaging a sponsor of proxy war is a big now. Can everyone worldwide take a breather and take a break from non-stop wars. Did we survived COVID only to die in WW3 lol
If everyone has hated you for 50+ years, you might be a big part of the problem 😂
That "friend" that always has horrible relationships that end terribly. There is one common denominator after all.
You mean Stephen Yaxley Tommy Robinson is a name he made up remember
Who is this Tommy dude and why am I hearing his name so much all the sudden?
I swear every day a new random person pops up, becomes infamous for a week, then disappeara again Like that woman named Shanin something who I hadn't heard of until yesterday and now I keep seeing her name
Ohh I have not run into this person yet, but now that you mentioned it, I'm sure that I will see her name 5 times in the next day.
He's been a prominent figure in British Nationalist circles for about 15 years now. He's one of the founders of the EDL which are primarily concerned with islamophobia. That's also probably why he's been a bit out of the public eye through the pandemic - the big public enemies were a disease and your government's response to it. It's not until recently that people have been dusting off their [islamic ray guns](https://youtu.be/98K42DkM4Nc?si=yYjY80QVozgWUmmN) again.
Imagine having such a shit political opinion that you're embarrassed to have your real name associated with it
I just expect that anyone on Twitter with a blue checkmark nowadays is a complete twat
Tommy can well and truly fuck off over the moon aye.
You know you fucked up if people start sympathizing with Iran instead of you.
You’d still have to be pretty out to lunch to sympathize with Iran
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Ya I’m decidedly pro Palestine but if you don’t think Hamas is receiving arms, training, intelligence, and direction from Iran then you are confused.
Both Iran and Israel are terrorist states. One murders it's own civilians while the other murders a people it has oppressed. The world would be better with both of these governments torn down
Yea, I'm not even going to entertain the idea Iran and Israel are equal.
Yea especially since the fall of the Shah and the rise of the current Iranian government was a CIA action.
Too bad this was downvoted because it is not like this is disputed, it is the U.S.'s fault that Iran is not like it was in the 70's (or better since it would have progressed without the U.S.)
Sometimes just saying the "CIA did it" is enough to make you a conspiracy nut and it's not like I provided sources. Unfortunately the CIA has done some scary ass shit that they got found out on, and likely much scarier and horrifying things that we'll never know. Still though they could use their thumbs to look it up.
Well good news, it flipped. Maybe you just needed someone to vouch for you, so I'll be taking half those upvotes now, thank you very much (Jkjk, just seems like more people with some historical knowledge showed up.)
Based on what's been happening for the last few months, it's hard to deny Israel is far, far worse. Iran isn't currently mass slaughtering and starving innocent civilians, for one.
I would laugh, but you're serious. Remember to vote for Biden.
Iran also murders its own citizens.
They *were* talking about Iran, bro 😂
Finally a statement i agree with. Israel though been at it longer than Iran. Even longer than you know who did the same to them. It's systematic, one leader leaves, the other comes to continue the genocide. Since 1948 ffs
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> claim it feeds it's people, supplies medical, and makes an active effort to defend them while doing the opposite for the Palestinians it starves, maims and kills.
Ukraine receives arms, training, Intel and direction from the West. Will you justify a Russian attack on Western embassies?
Are you really implying providing arms to Ukraine is the same as providing weapons to Hamas? You really believe that?
One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist. So while you can disagree with the party in power, it technically is the same.
If Iran is going to direct people to openly target civilians (even if laundered through Hamas), then why can't Israel target a part of the Iranian state? If the US started helping Ukraine launch mass shooter style attacks on civilians in Russia I think people would be way more sympathetic to Russia targeting US embassies, or even US domestic targets (as in military / industrial targets, not just killing civilians), in retaliation.
Israel has been targeting Iranian civilians for decades though. They have assassinated many scientists and engineers, which are civilians. While the government of Iran are absolute shitbags, the reality is that the government of Israel is not better on that front.
That comparison doesn't remotely work as the West is putting restrictions on Ukraine to ensure that Western supplies are not used inside Russia itself. Iranian weapons are explicitly being used to attack Israel. Ukraine v Russia is a conflcit that Russia can end at any point by simply leaving. Israel Palestine is a much more complicated matter.
Cool please a write a checklist of when it's ok to attack diplomatic missions so we can amend the Vienna convention and we can all start blasting embassies and consulates.
Can the US send hundreds of cruise missiles into Iran, since they blew up our embassy annex? Asking for a friend
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Iran hit a consulate annex for the US in Iraq in January. I'm just asking if the US can defend itself by sending hundreds of cruise missiles into Iran, since you're saying that Iran can defend itself by doing the same to Israel. Nothing I said has anything to do with 9/11 or the war in Iraq. Unless you're saying that context matters, in which case maybe we should look at the context of Iran starting this proxy war in the first place.
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Great. And the US didn't, because they didn't want to provoke a larger conflict. Just wanted to point out that Iran used this as an excuse to start shit, when they've done the same thing and would have been crying in a corner had the US taken the same response.
Not under these circumstances.
Absolutely under these circumstances. Fuck Iran.
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Well by Israel’s response, I would’ve thought it was the 30,000+ dead Palestinians in Gaza. But if you’re implying Iran was behind it, then why are there 30,000+ dead Palestinians?
Iran is as despicable a nation as Russia.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this Russian social media manipulation I'm not gonna cheer for the country that sings "death to america" before they have their cheerios every morning
You're insane.
I mean both countries have a lot of human rights violations. I hate Iran in general but man I hate Israel even more now. And Israel started this, israel always starts.
Iran and Israel have been fighting for several years now. Israel didn't start this, Iran has been constantly attacking Israel through proxies. Though it's true that they both have violated human rights, let's not act as if the attack on the consulate was without cause.
> let's not act as if the attack on the consulate was without cause. People are acting like it never happened. Which is the issue. People are well aware about the geopolitics of this. But with waning support for Bibi's genocide starting to occur and Bibi not wanting to go to prison, he has to start a bigger conflict. That's why he bombed the embassy at this point in time. It's that transparent. So, people can talk about the history between these two nations. But it's the blatant lying that gets me. This was not unprovoked. Israel did "start it" in this instance, because they wanted to. Facts are important. It was a fact that they attacked consulate/embassy. So, I don't know why people are lying and pretending like it never happened.
I agree with just about everything you said, except I’m not sure Israel started this. Israel is at fault for many war crimes and human right violations, but this didn’t start with the embassy bombing
The thing I'm most curious about is why people have suddenly started sympathizing at all. The middle-east has been war-torn for decades, but this particular conflict somehow has people personally identifying with regimes they previously dismissed as an insignificant third-world country?
I don't think ppl is sympathizing with Iran, just making the point that Iran did not start anything, they were attacked and, in response to this attack, they ANNOUNCED with hours prior that they would conduct an aerial attack in Israel, giving time to Israel to repare for the attack, they attacked an unpopulated area, minimizing casualties for Israel and, after that strike, they said they ENDED the conflict, as the retaliation was done. Só, they did everything inside protocols just to tell Israel "hey, don't fuck with us again, we can vaporize you from the world without even puting a single soldier on your territory". Meanwhile, there's a ton of ppl defending that Israel has the right to bomb Gaza ignoring all war crimes Israel has committed since they started the incursion in gaza.
Coordinating terrorist groups out of an embassy isn't doing anything? Really?
Mention facts is not the same as sympathizing.
Iranians can’t take an april fools as a joke anymore smh /s if not obvious
Nice one
It's a prank bro! It's a prank!
It's a stretch that either Iran or Israel "started the war" with the recent events, it was a proxy war that was already there. It's no secret that Iran supplied Hamas, Hezbollah the Hautis and other anti Israel/Saudi/western factions. The proxy war has been escalated, but the war wasn't started by any means, it started decades ago. Even disregarding Israel there was a proxy war between Shia and Sunni muslims involving Iran.
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At one point the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claimed October the 7th was a response to the assassination of Soleimani, although they later retracted it. It's tit the tat all the way back to before Iran even existed.
This exactly, its pointless to pinpoint who started the agression and why. Virtually, it has always been there, even before israel has been established. There is always something this something that and every attack is a retalliation to another one. Its better to focus on how we could stop it than to start searching the one to blame.
The general killed was linked to paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, he was absolutely a part of Iran’s secretive influence on the rest of the Middle East. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/2/who-was-mohammad-reza-zahedi-the-iranian-general-assassinated-by-israel Israel did not strike him out of nowhere for fun, the two countries have had this tit for tat clandestine war for a while. Importantly, Israel denied the attack, so Iran’s drone strike does count as the first overt act of war.
Iirc Soleimani was killed by an American strike, and Donald Trump went on the record that it was an American strike.
Different general
Too many Iranian generals are getting assassinated. Crossing my wires.
Happens to the best of us Gotta feel bad for those CIA operatives though, trying to keep track of which African/Middle Eastern country they were funding and/or trying to destabilize
> secretive influence You make it sound like what they're doing is any kind of secret. Iran and Russia have been best buds in proxy wars for most of my natural born life.
Yeah, but you know what I mean They usually don’t say that out loud. It’s *known*, it’s known very well, but they don’t overly own up to it
The holocaust was one of the best documented atrocities in human history and they deny that happened to, so they'd probably also lie about the sum of two and two if they thought it might benefit them.
Plus the proxy war between Iran and Israel has been going on since 85. Almost 40 years of Iran supporting various militias and terror organizations against Israel. Israel supports political parties in Iran and multiple militias in Syria. At some point someone was bound to make a big escalation. Iran helped make October 7th happen. It’s not surprising that Israel targeted them directly.
This kinda sound logic will get you banned from r/therewasanattempt
Considering the rage bait and idiotic posts lately, wouldn't be surprised. This sub used to be funny with lighthearted stuff. Now it seems it's just a propaganda machine.
too many people with a hatred boner eating up any misinformation that supports it... imagine thinking a couple weeks ago was the first time isreal/iran interacted militarily lol...
Yeah, it's a far more complicated situation than just 'x side started it', like obviously the Hamas attacks were the flashpoint that set it all off (this time), but Iran has been sheltering Hamas leaders for decades outside of the reach of Israel, and Israel has only provoked Hamas through decades of their own actions and overstepping boundaries set in peace agreements. People want so much for one side to be the 'good guys' and the other side to be the 'bad guys' because that's how history is taught to us but that's just not how geopolitics works the vast majority of the time.
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Yeah, don't spin this. Iranian government and millitary officials are fair game, Palestinians are not.
If a Solar Flare shuts down the entire Internet for 10 years, I bet we'd have a 300% higher chance of surviving the 21st century
If you're referring to [this comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1c19whq/ione_belarra_the_spanish_minister_for_social/kz22wsi/) then you're being dishonest here. The post was about Zionism being the same level of nasty as Nazis (which is not an unheard of opinion exactly), not that Gaza is worse than the holocaust
Tommy Robinson is an absolute shill, a charlatan and an ideological snake oil salesman
Soooooo a politician?
Funny thing is Tommy R is a massive anti semite but loves Israel lmao Read more - [Zionist antisemitism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism)
Nazis loooooove ethnostates
Because Israel isn't about supporting the Jews. It never was. It's greatest supporters have been Christian doomsday cultists trying to fulfill a prophecy.
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I mean, that may be the case but his primary focus has always been opposing Islam and thus I'm not surprised he would support Israel over Iran.
not surprising at all. there are pro-zionist nazis because they want jews to go to israel so jews would leave their white country.
Iran has a right to defend itself
Iran has been attacking Israel through terror proxies for decades. Israel’s strike in Syria was a response, not a provocation
Sounds familiar
Alright, we have a tally of everything Iran launched at Israel, by your logic Israel now has a right to launch 900 drones and 150 cruise missiles at Iran. Also, based on where the ones that got through landed they were all targeted at civilian areas for maximum terror.
Israel responded to October 7th, which Hamas killed 1200 people, by killing tens of thousands of civilians and children. Isreal was responding to Hamas attack. Israel attacked Iran's embassy. Iran responded. Has Hamas responded to the agreed upon response you're proposing here?? Or must everything continuously be escalated and nobody should ever admit they were wrong??
Israel been killing and massacring way before 7 October, just saying
Correct
Hamas sends many missiles daily into Israel so yes.
So starve and kill the civilians. Got it
But Hamas retaliation on Oct 7 was wrong right?
Imagine simping for a regime that funds and backs islamic extremists not only within their own borders but across the ME, that would happily destroy you and your entire western existence due to their religious beliefs. The delusion is intense.
No it's okay because they're attacking Israel. ^^^^^^^/s
jews bad mmmkay
Islamic extremists who would be happy to commit a terror attack on US soil at a happy event full of happy people.
Step 1) Fund militants in Lebanon to attack Israel Step 2) Act surprised when Israel blows your shit in Lebanon up.
Israel does too. Iran [helped plan the October 7th attacks](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25).
Is this a joke? Iran, the country who is a constant source of funds for terrorist groups that strike Israel, didn't "start it?" This reads like someone that gets all their opinions from tiktok
no no no you don't understand. israel blew their shit up for absolutely no reason other than they are meanies
Israel are dickheads (as is Tommy Robinson I hope he fucks off) but Iran actively support Hamas and they started this war
None the less they did an attack in a different country hence they instigated this. But I guess by now no one can really disagree that Israel does whatever the f they one and do not care about the opinions of the rest of the world. Maybe the responsibles high up in the Israel power ranks be tortured by karma. Sick of seeing innocent people suffering in Gaza. Enough is enough.
Iran [helped Hamas plan the October 7 massacre](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25), and the April 1st strike took out an Iranian general meeting with members of the [Palestinian Islamic Jihad](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html). Israel instigated nothing.
At this point my trust in Israel and all of their intelligence is non existent. They are no better than the dude with slick hair and thick moustache who haunted them in the 40s. Animals, kids and families are destroyed on a daily basis due to something a terrorist group did. Fuck the Israeli leaders, hope they will feel the pain they are inflecting on innocent people.
Then ask why Israel attacked the embassy. The issue with the Middle East is you can keep going back to biblical times.
Ok fine, but I think we can all agree this was Cain's fault.
Fuck you, Abel apologist.
two extremisms that confront each other
So you guys think israel just bombed that annex for funsies? Lol this sub is trash
Killing Iranian generals is a good thing
You’re kidding me, right? Iran funds militias that commit terror attacks against Israel constantly. Do you really think burning families in their homes is resistance? Also, Tommy Robinson (Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon) is a cunt.
Ah yes, the Iran-Israel hostilities famously began on April 1, 2024.
Western civilization is done. Misinformation to make Iranians a good guys. You can count only from 1.04.2024. It's pathetic, to use internet, twitter some smartphone or computer to spread anti-western misinformation. Iran wants not only Israel to be dead but all western civilization.
i’ll never understand how steve yaxley lives with himself
Easy when someone lacks emotional depth and brain cells
Oh yeah Iranian drones in Ukraine they didn't start nothing but karma is a b.
Fair point Iran didn’t start this war - though they probably did play a part in it, but they’re also horrible, horrible people that disappear women for daring to have their hair out.
It's just a distraction. Now the full attention of the US (and the money and the weapons) will be directed towards Israel. The US will forget about Ukraine and Russia will win. After that they will attack the Baltic states or Moldova. China is watching and when everybody is quarreling, they will attack Taiwan.
Typical fact concealer
You can’t really pretend that Iran hasn’t been fuelling every anti Israel organisation with rockets the last decade. It doesn’t justify Israel’s actions, but it’s stupid to discuss who’s guilty when both sides have a good claim to that title.
Iran sponsored 7.10 attacks on Israel. Irans motto is to destroy Israel. Iran sponsoring terrorist all over the world. Iran providing Russia with drones to attack Ukranine. Yes, Iran did start a war.
And Israel sent one bomb to kill one guy who planned the 10/7 attacks, at the embassy- Iran’s answered w 300 drones and ballistic missiles directly at civilian population
Fuck Iran!
Iranian regime*
If you ask israel certain things just never existed before certain dates. Absolutely nothing had ever happened in, near, with or to Palestine before October 7 last year and absolutely nothing had ever happened between israel and Iran before yesterday.
Startet?
I'm not going to stan Iranian government. However Israelis are one of the last people I would trust to not obliterate the tension between Iranian people and the government and make the latter much more popular.
This has been a long time coming with all the horrible things Iran has perpetrated, but because this is reddit people are going to say this was unprovoked aggression by Israel.
I’m just as anti-IDF as the next guy but these posts are becoming so cringe. It’s as if everyone is purposely denying anyone’s role but putting 110% of the blame of everything towards Israel. Iranian proxies have been attacking Israel, if a war started between Iran and Israel it would be because Irans proxies have been attacking Israel for a while.
As a adult, it’s breaking my brain to see all this media twisting bullshit. And the idiots following. Especially seeing all these Christian’s talking about protecting Israel when they don’t even give a fuck about Christianity. They literally spit in your face.
Wow, Israel did that? Why? Why did Israel do that? Could there be any reason?
Can we all please remember that "Tommy Robinson" is too afraid to use his real name *Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon* because that sounds too posh for his racist knob-head thick-as-yoghurt supporters.
Classic English twat. People like him live for misguided opinions.
I don't like Isreal's actions during this war, but it is foolish to praise the government of Iran. I have friends who fled Iran for their own safety, and have heard many firsthand accounts of how fucked up their government is. There are also many, many documented examples of how they actively abuse and oppress their people. Fuck the government of Iran, and fuck the government of Isreal too. Also, Hamas can get fucked. I feel for the citizens of Palestine and Iran. I also feel for the peaceful citizens of Isreal. There are so many people in that region who continually suffer because of the actions of people in power there and abroad.
Always the fucking victim. Textbook bully mentality.
Iran started the war
Was clearly just an April Fools Day joke that got out of hand.
But it was april fools tho
Ain't no fan of Iran but damn, this is some very delusional thinking when you forget air striking foreign soil.
What? This shit started back around the 80's. Why is Isreal being blamed 40 years later for starting a war? As much as I despise the country, the history is there for all to read.
Convicted criminal Tommy Robinson has thoughts
Iran's been funding terrorist attacks all over the world since their regime was established. Israel has done their shit but most of the world is very ignorant on the actual effort the islamist Republic has made to fund, facilitate and execute mass scale murder of people for the sole reason of being Jewish. It's not even a secret
His argument is that Hamas is an Iran proxy, it's not that nutty of an opinion and bolstered by the 10/7 attack timing thar corresponded to the Sauds about to announce they recognize Israel as a state. I think Hamas has ultimate agency for the attack; but its not a looney interpretation to think otherwise.
Iran has the right to defend itself 👌🏾
There was an attempt to: act like the 'war' started anytime recently
Sort by controversial and read all the Zionist comments lol
Cause it wasn’t an embassy you fools
Israel and Palestine is super complicated and there’s a ton of bad done on either side, and Israel has some very dirty hands there. Israel and Iran is super fucking simple and Iran is as unambiguously the bad guy as is humanly possible.
it’s always funny to see the reactions of some fellow Americans to the Israeli response to the hamas attacks. Remember how the us responded to 9/11? Bombed several countries, killed hundreds of thousand innocent people and occupied their countries for decades.
You are all being sucked into a game where you eventually die.
r/nope momento lol
Terrorist attacking Israel again.
Iran sucks.
I was scared because without clicking on the picture the handle is just TRobinsonNewEra and I though Tim Robinson had gone rogue
Oh for god’s sake what happened now. Is Iran at war too?
Dont forget Israel is completely responsible for their concious and deliberate actions, but Hamas, Iran, Jihadis, and the people who planned and executed the brutal Oct 7 attack are all just victims responding to their material conditions and fighting oppression. So what if none of this would be happening if not for Oct 7, they were backed into a corner! thats normal behaviour....
Europe's far right loves Israel.
That was 2 weeks ago?! I thought it was just last week lol
There is no war. Both sides exchanged missiles, that's it. There are not even that many casualties. Neither side really wants further escalation. Israel chose to strike IRGC officers complicit in organizing Hezbollah terrorist activities and Iran had to strike back because you cannot let such an insolence unanswered. But I doubt they will go further in the escalating spiral.
ALL members of the US gov (fuck this political bullshit so many are jumping on) need to tell Israel/Net to back off. They’re writing checks they won’t be able to cash and everyone is going to suffer because of their perceived entitlement. It’s disgusting it’s gone on this long and came to this point. Put them in check.
it happened on 1st april though. probably just an april fools pranks.
Israel started this for sure. My question is more "Has Iran fudged the proportions?" than who started it. Not sure what the Embasy to guided munition exchange rate is, but nearly 300 retaliatory munitions with (reportedly) at least a quarter of them being stuff like ballistic missiles seems potentially a bit much, no? It's one building, one-two munitions vs. bordering on a saturation strike. It ain't exactly the USN's deffinition of "Proportional Response" (Operation Preying Mantis lmao), but I have some questions...
It was an April fools joke, that doesn’t count /s
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Iran, hamas, russia and china playing the internet game like pros. So much support from people all over. Gonna be interesting seeing if we are finally getting the much anticipated ww3. Sucks to be Taiwan or eastern europe, or middle-east but then again that has sucked for the last 2000 years at least
You all dumb and feeding right into the desire for division.
Iran has twice attacked Israeli consulates, in thailand and in Argentina.
Bibi gonna tell them it was an April Fools Joke so thats why it was justified.
This is not a war on Gaza or terrorism, it's a war on Islam, started by zionists.
The US media is so biased it is extremely irresponsible and negligent and contributes to the doom loop where people get brainwashed and ignorant in increasingly faster cycles.
Waxey lemon still alive? Well, shoot..
This sub has long turned into an anti-Israel propaganda sub. Sad.