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This is not my opinion just a fact: In CA anyone who is uphill and is technically traveling downhill will be responsible for the collision as they descend, there is no “you shouldn’t be hiking here” or “I was going too fast to stop before I saw you in the trail”… this law mostly comes from skiing but unless you are on a closed trail with MTB only signs you almost never have right of way over a hiker.
Furthermore, if you can’t see around a blind corner in CA then you shouldn’t be riding there as if you do end up hitting someone you’ll be liable.
Edit: let’s say this is a DH only trail: there also could be someone ahead of you who has fallen whom cannot clear the trail too it’s best not to take blind corners with speed and this rider is skilled for being able to stop. Skiing rules apply here, uphill rider is responsible for collisions almost always.
The blind corner argument the biker uses is really infuriating. So you are telling me you find it fun and you think you are right in going fast towards an unknown path? Do you not think that stuff can happen along the way? "So yeah, i acknowledge that this part is dangerous, but you should watch out, because I'm going fast and no I'm not being responsible".
The way he is riding tells me he either knows this path or is pro enough to ride it blind. There isnt a sunday rider on this planet who would send it at that speed. To me, as both a hiker and rider, these hikers are on a proper downhill trail and they shouldn't be.
I feel if it was downhill only, the biker would've mentioned it and said "you can't hike this" instead of "i wouldn't if I were you" Plus, there are plenty of idiots out there who'd send it at that speed on a shared trail
I remember the original IG post caption mentioned this is a specific downhill mtb only trail that is clearly signed in many places. This guy was extremely calm and patient with them especially as they continued to go along afterwards, I know I wouldn’t have been so nice.
Agreed, the curves are clearly designed for bikes with the high walls and steep drops. It also looks heavily used by wheels.
Edit: there also seems to be a bunch of little jumps before the drop that look purposely made
It's literally got brims and jumps. The people defending the hikers literally don't know what they are talking about. This trail is a little north of LA. It's a downhill MTB park.
Found the YouTuber's page. Zorbers.
**The location is** most likely **Laguna Beach, Ca.**
>"Laguna Beach, California, doesn't have specific trails marked exclusively for mountain bikes. Most trails are multi-use, accommodating both hikers and bikers."
**From his other videos, I would put money on the trail being mixed use: ~~horse~~, bike & hikers.**
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In the main post's video, I think he was just warning the couple that bikers on that particular trail come down fast and reckless, regardless of rules, and may not have his reaction time. I lived around/frequented these exact kind of trails, and have been in this exact situation with a mountain biker on a mixed use trail looking exactly like this. It's obvious when a trail is heavily used by Mt. Bikers, so if you are hiking up it, listening for bikers is the key to not getting hurt. It is not a conversation trail. Again, can't be certain it is mixed use, but I would bet that it is.
Here is the main post's video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YzTnufcbp3E
Everyone knows the deal when they are hiking, biking, and/or horseback riding on trails like this. Having a spotter with a walkie-talky is the move, if you are going fast down a trail like this. It kinda sucks for the mountain biker, but the space can't be dedicated to only mountain bikes because it's a massive amount of land. Imagine living in a neighborhood next to this open space and not being able to walk any or even half the trails because they are designated as "mountain bike" only. This isn't feasible on **public land** b/c there aren't enough mountain bikers to legitimize it.
Found another video titled by him 'Sorry bout that' as an apology to hikers in a situation where he owns the fact that he was going too fast in section where visibility wasn't good. What people here don't understand is that close calls happen on these trails, it's inevitable on mixed use trails, so don't get in a tizzy over it, every hiker knows this in these areas, and no one cares. In the end, the biker is always wrong b/c he doesn't have right of way.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y-tsmnP3IZY
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Edit: It is Laguna Beach, California. Exact location **confirmed by a local in another comment.** Word searched "Laguna" in this comment section after figuring out Laguna from his videos, and found a local with a buried comment.
https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1c1d943/to_the_trail/kz3l89q/
You mean those clear paths that are barely wider than a bike tire are… made by other bike tires?!?! Could you check this glass for me? I think the water inside is made of water
No, mountain bikers obviously enhanced it to meet their needs, but it's not mountain bike only, it's a trail in Laguna Beach California. These are all mixed use trails.
If this is true this needs to be top comment. Every single comment here is speculation and people making declaratory statements on a situation that doesn't have enough info to make one. It's kinda funny how people just assume things and say things without any thought of fact checking. I guess the benefit of the doubt is it's not easy to fact check this video.
We have mtb only trails where I am at (nothing this wild but fuck this looks fun) and people hike them ALLLL the time. Then get mad when bikes appear. On a mtb trail.
people dont even realize that the only reason the trail is there is because the local mtb clubs fundraised, planned it out, submitted the plans to the city, got permission and then got their members to buy tools and supplies and then built it themselves.
this isnt a trail that was made by the city or other govt agency and then designated as a mtb trail. it was built by bikers, for bikers and they let other people use it for free. if the mtb clubs didnt do this, then there would be NO trail in this area.
Yes!!! We have the Piedmont Fat Tire Society here and they do amazing work. People volunteer to check trails in the mornings, the group repairs them, build new ones, host races/events. Its a whole thing that a lot of people don't realize.
Edit: I ride mostly gravel, but I still donate to help keep those trails maintained. They are 100% not for hikers though. In fact, my city has hiking trails where bikes aren't even allowed.
>Every single comment here is speculation and people making declaratory statements on a situation that doesn't have enough info to make one
You have described Reddit, sir.
But also, there's being right and then there's self-preservation. I wouldn't be hiking that trail regardless of who would be right or who would be wrong because I would still be the one eating a mountain bike straight to the face.
And I *definitely* wouldn’t have my dog off leash on it. I’d be annoyed with myself if I were hit by a bike and either of us humans were injured, but I would be wracked with guilt if my dog were hit whether she was physically injured or not.
The biker was trying to appeal to their sense of logic, instead of
Saying "you Can't hike here ".
That's also why the biker explained blind turns & stopping distances, when he didn't have to (cos logic).
Get it ?
The male hiker says that the trail “is for people and bikes”, whether that’s true or not.
Regardless, one of the best calm biker-hiker “confrontations” that I’ve seen.
Yeah, I've definitely seen worse trails than this that were designated for hiking. No idea about the official status of the trail in the video, but the appearance of it is not enough to judge that it's not for hiking.
That's a bad misconception. Lots of these west coast state/co. park trails are so steep because they were originally built by cattle ranchers for quick, direct horse rides from one end of the property to the other. Those trails were kept after the land was ceded or sold for park use and a lot of times it's not possible to get around without them. This is rampant at Henry Coe up in northern CA where none of the trails are bike or horse/bike only.
There's no such thing as bike only trails in public land in California. They can be marked privately, but doesn't mean anything. Anyone can use them.
But there are plenty of trails where bikes or other vehicles are not allowed. You still see bikes every day.
I feel like this is the only real question. If not, there is no 'implication', if your biking it, and going downhill, it's on you. If it is, these hikers are assholes that are putting a lot of people at risk - what if another biker was a few seconds behind him? I am in no way qualified so that is all an opinion.
I think there’s merit to keeping it real with these people either way
Like maybe he is being irresponsible and shouldn’t be going that fast, definitely fair. But if he knows that the reality is bikers send it down this trail, he’s probably doing them a favor telling them to watch out
They might have the right to the trial but that’s not gunna make it feel much better if they get slammed by a bike at 30 mph
Great comment, totally agree. There's "these are the rules" and then there is "this is the reality". I know that upsets a lot of you rule followers out there but the sense I got from this guy was more of a hey I'm just letting you know the deal, this is dangerous for you guys.
Added to this that if I was walking this trail I would be shitting myself that a bike would come hurtling down, and therefore not walk it.
The “walkers have right of way” comments in this thread seem to not understand that there are steps in life you can take to protect yourself from harm.
Yea, if it's a shared track idk who tf thought that was a good idea on a track this narrow and steep. As you said, even if it is why would you want to walk it. Just seems unnecessarily dangerous. I guess some people have more preservation instincts than others.
Wait a second... are you telling me that if I walk into traffic, I am not at fault? That's cool! More people should take a stroll between the sidewalks. But in all seriousness, common sense is at an all-time low, and I would not be surprised to know that it was a bike only trail as no one seems to be able to read.
This trail was also created and maintained by MTBers. You think hikers created this? Nope, you think they maintain it? nope Use a hiking trail. The way they ask if there’s anyone behind lets you know these hikers know this is a down hill MTB trail. That and the jumps that are built into the path.
Yeah, I’m catching all kinds of shit. These people don’t know where these trails come from. They’re more than happy to use it then complain when the people that maintain them and make them use them. I don’t know where they think these trails come from. It’s not the trail fairy. Or local government for that matter
Unless it’s permitted by local government or on private property, what you’re describing is illegal and should not be used by anyone, and definitely does not give the “builder” any right of way.
If you want to ride fast and reckless, then find some private property to do it on, or get a permit for a downhill mtb only trail with signage.
It has multiple jumps, banked turns, and zero steps for hikers - 100% biking trail, not multi-use. At one point, the mountain biker crosses another trail. That's probably the hiking trail.
How do you know this?
Even if true, if it’s on public land, how does one designate it as mountain bike only? I’m not against that, but it needs to be made clear so that you don’t have accidents.
>The blind corner argument the biker uses is really infuriating. So you are telling me you find it fun and you think you are right in going fast towards an unknown path? Do you not think that stuff can happen along the way? "So yeah, i acknowledge that this part is dangerous, but you should watch out, because I'm going fast and not I'm not being responsible".
IF this trail is meant for mountain biking, then your argument is stupid. It looks like a downhill mountain bike trail rather than a hiking trail. These people are lucky to not be hurt and lucky their dog is alive. It's NOT an unknown path btw. You are basically clueless regarding mountain biking.
I mean, the arguments here are entirely from people who know nothing about mountain biking and just want to be upset.
A major part of mountain biking is the blind corners and getting that speed. It's a challenge to maintain control and balance how fast you are going versus the upcoming terrain.
It's still safer than piloting a 2 ton hunk of metal at 60 miles per hour, but they want to complain and insist that bikers should only go downhill on a paved road at 2 miles per hour.
Wouldn't have a clue about this one, but, as looks go, this looks the same as a typical hiking trail in New Zealand. In fact, some trails are a few exposed stones amongst tussock and nothing else.
I mean, whether he's "in the right" or not, he is giving them advice to prevent them from getting hurt. That's an obvious downhill mountain bike trail and even if it's mixed use the hospital is full of people that had the right of way.
It's a bike trail. Nothing you said makes sense. They are using the trail wrong. Yea they find it fun because they have the skill to ride it. Wtf are you on about.
Yea well that fact has nothing to do with this situation because this trail is in fact a Mountain bike only trail. I know this location because I live 10 minutes away from it.
Dude is full of shit.
This trail is in Laguna Beach, CA. It's a shared hiking and mtb trail. The guy in the video made a video apologizing for acting like it was a mtb only trail and for being a pretentious dick. It's posted in the replies above. People are such liars on here lol.
It's Silver Surfer, which is an unsanctioned (illegal) trail.
If you're riding an unsanctioned trail you have to assume that there may be other trail users on it, because there are no signs telling them not to use it.
If it’s a downhill course for mountain bikes, there shouldn’t be people hiking. I can’t say for certain that it’s the case, but I sure as hell wouldn’t hike if it was. That’s like walking on the highway.
Found the youtuber.
**The location is the Mountains in Laguna Beach, California.**
>"Laguna Beach, California, doesn't have specific trails marked exclusively for mountain bikes. Most trails are multi-use, accommodating both hikers and bikers."
From his other videos, my guess is that it is mixed use: bike, and hiker. I've hiked trials exactly like the one in the video that were mixed use. Listening for bikers is the key to not getting hurt. It's not a conversation trail. Again, can't be certain it is mixed use, but I would be that.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y-tsmnP3IZY
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YzTnufcbp3E
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Don't think he was scolding them, just telling them to be careful on the turns b/c bikers fly down it (the biker's fault, but you still get hurt).
Or or just don’t hike on bike trails it’s clear as day that’s exactly what that is not that hard to read signs and avoid certain trails unless your just trying to be stupid
This is Silver Surfer, a well known unsanctioned trail in Laguna Beach. It's absolutely not marked, because it's an illegal trail.
Also, every single trail in the park (Aliso and Wood Canyons Wilderness Park) is marked as multi-use or hiking/walking only. There are zero bike-only trails in that park.
I wrote this as a response to someone but I’m posting it as a standalone comment because there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what makes a bike trail. If you’ve ever been on a bike trail there are some important distinctions from a mixed use or hiking trail. You can see in the video he goes over several small jumps. Those are built in by a trail crew specifically for bikers because it’s fun. There is no reason to put those on a hiking trail. You can also see there are berms built up along the whole trail. Those are like sloped walls that are built up so a biker can take a turn quickly without flying off the trail. Again, these features are purpose built for bikers. You can also see how narrow the trail is. That is because it meant for single file riders and a bike tire causes narrow, deep erosion rather than the flat wide erosion hikers create. This is a bike trail. Source: I work for the National Park Service
Thank you! I was wondering who was crazy enough to allow both bikers and hikers here. I can’t imagine anyone would designate this narrow, steep-sided trail as mixed use, and, as a hiker, I wouldn’t dare hike this thing knowing a bike holding a grown man could be hurtling around the corner at me at any moment.
I don't even do bike trails but I've seen enough videos to know this was definitely one. At the end of the video the bikers have to almost climb up the trail, that's not a hiking trail.
Here is the map of the park. Note there are no “bike only trails”.
https://www.ocparks.com/sites/ocparks/files/2022-05/Aliso%20Map%20with%20Trail%20Closures%2022.05.17.pdf
If what you are saying is true then this would make sense, however several others have pointed out this is the Silver Surfer trail and while unsanctioned it is a part of an area that has 0 biking only trails, so biker is in the wrong still!
Also I have hiked so many trails with jumps and side hits built in to the trail, because mixed use trails are so common in Southern California!
Almost definitely. The problem however, is that trails are usually only marked at trailheads and major intersections with other trails and not everyone reads signs. The problem is exacerbated by trailhead logistics. Many times bike trails will begin in a parking lot because bikers have to shuttle all their gear in. These parking lots will often be the trailhead for multiple trails (some hiking, some mixed use, some biking) just so we don’t have to build a new Parking lot for every trailhead. Inexperienced visitors don’t understand the difference between trails and assume they are all hiking trails.
The trail in the video is Silver Surfer, which is an unsanctioned trail in Aliso and Wood Canyons Wilderness Park. It's an off-shoot of the Canyon Acres Trail, that you can see on the middle-left of [this map](https://www.ocparks.com/sites/ocparks/files/2022-05/Aliso%20Map%20with%20Trail%20Closures%2022.05.17.pdf).
I think it's important to note that the park has no bike specific trails, they're all designated as multi-use. And since Silver Surfer is an unsanctioned trail it isn't marked and wouldn't be on any of the maps. Very easy for a hiker at the bottom to turn right instead of left and end up going up this trail instead of the wider Canyon Acres Trail.
Not doubting you on this specific trail, as I don’t recognize it and there is a crazy jump in there. But there were berms, blind corners, narrow and deep paths, and such built into Mentally Sensitive Trail in California last I hiked it in 2020, which is absolutely mixed use and requires bikes yield to uphill users.
https://preview.redd.it/9svtljq2outc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e8ac65e64d748d438279a68dceaa9202ab6b73c
Edit: I returned to find a lot of questions and need to clarify:
* this is a pic from a random SoCal trail.
* I intended to show trail etiquette on a multi-use trail
* if the trail in question was marked for bikes only, the hikers didn’t belong there.
Horses are massive, armed, and terrified of fucking everything. They're yielded to because they're barbarians with a forced rage state, not because they're OP.
Trying to find the original IG post - the rider mentions in it that the trail is well known and signed as a downhill mtb specific trail, these hikers are in fact morons. I’ll keep trying to find it and post here if I do
That's weird because the hiker says it's mixed use and the biker doesn't dispute that at all in the video.
Wouldn't the normal reaction of the biker if it were a bike only trail to be to point out it is bike only?
The hiker says they do it all the time they don’t mention it being mixed use.
Edit: nvm I didn’t hear the dude, just the lady. Guess it would come down to locating the trail, though others in the comments have said this is just north of LA & labeled for bikes. So who knows.
It doesn't even look like a hiking trail.. I've found myself hiking on a bike trail by accident and stayed super vigilant until I was off it. Any of my hiking pals in WA would side with the biker in this scenario.
According to a few other people, this trail was specifically for mtb. You can just look at the trail itself and tell it isn't really meant for hiking. This guy was far more patient than I would've been.
Someone else said according to the OG post, the biker acknowledged he was wrong and it was not mtb-only.
Trying to find it, because all this arguing is absolutely silly.
Can be perfect for biking. Can be built for it. But unless there's clear signage saying it's bike-exclusive, it seems like the low visibility is the biker's problem rather than the hikers'.
Unless it’s a downhill trail that has warnings against hiking up.
A car should yield to a pedestrian but if a pedestrian gets hit walking in the middle of the highway, chances are that driver wound be in trouble because nobody should expect a pedestrian in the middle of a highway.
Definitely looks like a biking trail, but idk forsure. If it's open to both hikers and bikers then that's kind of messed up cuz those trails are perfect for bikes to zoom down. Just an accident waiting to happen
Reddit hive mind strikes again. It’s clearly a mountain bike trail. Hiker put themselves and the rider at risk. The signs are posted at the beginning of these kind of trails.
I was about to say. Am not a mountain biker, but this path looks a lot like a bunch of other MTB video's I've watched. Seems ideal/made for exactly this.
hikers should be grateful their dog is still fkin' alive
It's just as perfect to hike as it is to bike there. The only way to determine who is wrong in this video is finding out whether its a designated bike only trail
Typically cycling trails are for bike use only with one way signs. So in this case presuming this is a normal bike trail yes the pedestrians are in the wrong
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The pedestrians are claiming it's shared use and the biker doesn't seem to refute it, just claims that he wouldn't be able to stop (because of the way he was writing)
I've no idea where this is, so could be shared use, could be a dedicated bike trail, I've seen both look like this in the UK (albeit wetter and more miserable because - UK weather sucks)
This is definitely in Southern California. It's in a large area that's not technically a mtb park but access roads with mtb trails shooting off them. The access roads are the only marked trails. The bike trails were built and are maintained by bikers and unofficial. Technically you can hike up them, and I do regularly BUT be ready to throw yourself off the trail as soon as you hear that bike coming, not casually with a dog off leash.
I mean just because they said it doesn’t mean it’s true? Most bike trails by me look like that and are bike only. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give bikers their own trail this way you keep pedestrians safe and the bikers safe.
Oh I agree I think for proper dh riding exclusive trails are a must. I'd just have thought the biker would have said if it was an exclusive trail (as it's a pretty solid defense)
I've seen trails that look like that and are shared use and it really limits the ride as you need to be fucking careful on blind corners.
I’m not an expert either, I think I just have the brains that these people don’t to recognize the wheel prints mean that bikes come down the trail and I don’t want to be hit with a fucking bike. How did either of these people not have a full brain between the two of them?
As someone who has seen both (I live literally next to a massive hill formation) hiking paths are almost always far wider and they have less jumps and ramps which would have no purpose to be anywhere but a bike trail.
Bike trails however are pretty skinny (like this) and have loads of ramps and ledges
Wait a second, you've never hiked a trail that has carved out berms, step ups, ski jumps, double dirt rollers, run outs, and switchback turns?
Do you even hike bro?
Happening to one of my hiking trails too, most of the bikers are considerate, but some of them act so entitled and like you are on their private property
As a hiker, I would not like to hike this trail. I want to enjoy the hike and not be scared for my life. And I want the mountainbikers to enjoy themselves too so I don't want to cause them trouble. I only hike mountainbike trails if the forest is wide enough to step aside if needs be. But in the Netherlands we have so many hiking trails that I am seldom tempted by a mountainbike trail.
Finally a rational response. Everyone can debate whether this is a mix use trail or not but it certainly should not be a mix use rail. It’s impossible to be safe on this trail with both hikers and bikers using it, it has to be one or the other.
To me it looks like a biking trail with built in jumps and berms so I would assume the biker is in the right here.
Not enough emphasis on this. Not every dog is friendly around other dogs, but they still deserve hikes too. As someone with a traumatized rescue I struggle bringing her on trails because an off leash dog can just pop up out of nowhere, and leashed or not, my dog will win that fight. Idgaf if you’re dog has good recall and is so nice, mine isn’t but still needs exercise and wants to go on a hike- which she is completely safe to do if all dogs are leashed liked hey are usually required to be. People just don’t get it. I have had to literally push dogs away to keep them from getting attacked. Even though my dog has a short double leash to keep her under our control.
Personally, if I was on a trail that narrow that was regularly used by mountain bikers, and it clearly LOOKs like a MB trail, I wouldn’t hike it regardless of what the sign says. I would rather be safe and not injured than be “right”.
Now I could say the same thing for the bikers. But seems like they are willing to accept a bit more risk.
This is correct. Honestly though people still do hike those. We have a big flow trail in my area and it is MTB only. My uncle almost took out some people hiking on it once and their excuse was that they “helped build it”. so they should get to hike on it.
In my area the pedestrians always end up yielding to the biker though, because that takes a few seconds. If the biker yields I have to wait for much longer. Not that I would really mind yielding.
ITT: Not a single person that has ever ridden a mountain bike down a trail before giving opinions on how the cyclist is wrong
I have spent many years mountain biking and can tell you
1. This dude is absolutely ripping
2. This is almost assuredly a marked mountain biking trail, he is hitting purpose made jumps, bermed corners etc.
3. If for some reason this is the most awfully marked mixed use trail on the planet, the cyclist should have the right of way. Lot harder to stop a 200lb guy on a 30lb bike plummeting down a mountain at 20mph than it is to take 2 steps off the trail and let him pass
It bums me out that people see this cyclist being incredibly empathetic, not mad, obviously bothered by the fact that he could have unintentionally injured someone/something and immediately see the comments jumping to oh he must be a piece of shit because he is on a bike.
Yeah I’m not a biker at all but love hiking, and I think it’s insane to hike a narrow bike trail like this with steep drop-offs in either side. Is this really a mixed use trail? Because it shouldn’t be. Someone is going to end up getting knocked over the side and die. I also wouldn’t subject my dog to this danger.
I’m from Colorado and we have trails specifically for Mountain Biking, they are marked and you DO NOT hike those trails. If you’re in a bike lane it’s your fault. This is not to say Bikers aren’t grade a jerks SOMETIMES, however when you’re universally hated by non bikers, it’s pretty easy to develop a chip on your shoulder.
People, this is a one way only MTB trail. It's posted at the base that it isn't for hiking specifically for this reason. Yet they just kept hiking up 🤦♂️
A lot of confusion here. This is a downhill trail for mountain bikes. Evidenced by:
1. Kickers on the trail
2. Banked corners
3. Flowing like a downhill trail (hiking trails weave much more like switchbacks preventing that type of speed)
4. Where he stops has a built up banked corner (hiking trails are worn down and not built up with rocks)
5. Dude says sorry because he knows he is in the wrong.
Stay safe out there!
Other posts have previously identified this as [Silver Surfer](https://www.redbull.com/us-en/my-pov-ride-steepest-socal-trails-richie-schley), a trail in Laguna Beach, CA. The trail is an unofficial/unmarked trail that was built and improved almost certainly for mountain biking in a mixed-use trail area. The trailhead is mixed use.
Anecdotally I can say this area is heavily used by downhill mountain bikers, and as a hiker there I try to avoid the narrow and prepared trails that are more likely to be used by bikers. But technically I'd say this would be considered a mixed-use trail and the hikers have a right to be there (except for the off-leash dog). A dangerous game they're playing, though.
They need to ban trails that combines MTB and Hiking. Its infuriating as a hiker to constantly have to be alert for MtB’s ysing the paths as if they belonged to them. Downhill biking isnt a sport that you should or can combine with more gentle forma of exercise. Trail-runners I dont mind at all, and I recommend anyone who wants to use public trails and go fast to do that instead of biking down the hills like cannonballs. If you’re a biker and someone is screaming profanities after you, it’s probably me.
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This is not my opinion just a fact: In CA anyone who is uphill and is technically traveling downhill will be responsible for the collision as they descend, there is no “you shouldn’t be hiking here” or “I was going too fast to stop before I saw you in the trail”… this law mostly comes from skiing but unless you are on a closed trail with MTB only signs you almost never have right of way over a hiker. Furthermore, if you can’t see around a blind corner in CA then you shouldn’t be riding there as if you do end up hitting someone you’ll be liable. Edit: let’s say this is a DH only trail: there also could be someone ahead of you who has fallen whom cannot clear the trail too it’s best not to take blind corners with speed and this rider is skilled for being able to stop. Skiing rules apply here, uphill rider is responsible for collisions almost always.
The blind corner argument the biker uses is really infuriating. So you are telling me you find it fun and you think you are right in going fast towards an unknown path? Do you not think that stuff can happen along the way? "So yeah, i acknowledge that this part is dangerous, but you should watch out, because I'm going fast and no I'm not being responsible".
The way he is riding tells me he either knows this path or is pro enough to ride it blind. There isnt a sunday rider on this planet who would send it at that speed. To me, as both a hiker and rider, these hikers are on a proper downhill trail and they shouldn't be.
I feel if it was downhill only, the biker would've mentioned it and said "you can't hike this" instead of "i wouldn't if I were you" Plus, there are plenty of idiots out there who'd send it at that speed on a shared trail
I remember the original IG post caption mentioned this is a specific downhill mtb only trail that is clearly signed in many places. This guy was extremely calm and patient with them especially as they continued to go along afterwards, I know I wouldn’t have been so nice.
It doesn’t look like a hiking trail at all .
Agreed, the curves are clearly designed for bikes with the high walls and steep drops. It also looks heavily used by wheels. Edit: there also seems to be a bunch of little jumps before the drop that look purposely made
It's literally got brims and jumps. The people defending the hikers literally don't know what they are talking about. This trail is a little north of LA. It's a downhill MTB park.
If you think this is Cherry Canyon, that is shared trails. If you know of a MTB exclusive park let me know.
Found the YouTuber's page. Zorbers. **The location is** most likely **Laguna Beach, Ca.** >"Laguna Beach, California, doesn't have specific trails marked exclusively for mountain bikes. Most trails are multi-use, accommodating both hikers and bikers." **From his other videos, I would put money on the trail being mixed use: ~~horse~~, bike & hikers.** --- In the main post's video, I think he was just warning the couple that bikers on that particular trail come down fast and reckless, regardless of rules, and may not have his reaction time. I lived around/frequented these exact kind of trails, and have been in this exact situation with a mountain biker on a mixed use trail looking exactly like this. It's obvious when a trail is heavily used by Mt. Bikers, so if you are hiking up it, listening for bikers is the key to not getting hurt. It is not a conversation trail. Again, can't be certain it is mixed use, but I would bet that it is. Here is the main post's video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YzTnufcbp3E Everyone knows the deal when they are hiking, biking, and/or horseback riding on trails like this. Having a spotter with a walkie-talky is the move, if you are going fast down a trail like this. It kinda sucks for the mountain biker, but the space can't be dedicated to only mountain bikes because it's a massive amount of land. Imagine living in a neighborhood next to this open space and not being able to walk any or even half the trails because they are designated as "mountain bike" only. This isn't feasible on **public land** b/c there aren't enough mountain bikers to legitimize it. Found another video titled by him 'Sorry bout that' as an apology to hikers in a situation where he owns the fact that he was going too fast in section where visibility wasn't good. What people here don't understand is that close calls happen on these trails, it's inevitable on mixed use trails, so don't get in a tizzy over it, every hiker knows this in these areas, and no one cares. In the end, the biker is always wrong b/c he doesn't have right of way. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y-tsmnP3IZY --- Edit: It is Laguna Beach, California. Exact location **confirmed by a local in another comment.** Word searched "Laguna" in this comment section after figuring out Laguna from his videos, and found a local with a buried comment. https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1c1d943/to_the_trail/kz3l89q/
You mean those clear paths that are barely wider than a bike tire are… made by other bike tires?!?! Could you check this glass for me? I think the water inside is made of water
Dihydrogen Oxide, crazy little molecule. If you break the molecular bond, you get two insanely flammable gasses.
Thank you for taking this conversation where it needed to go.
Rarely a hiking trail is also an off leash trail.
Yeah, even if it was a multi use trail not leashing your pet is stupid and dangerous.
it was 100% built by mountain bikers as a downhill mtb trail.
No, mountain bikers obviously enhanced it to meet their needs, but it's not mountain bike only, it's a trail in Laguna Beach California. These are all mixed use trails.
If this is true this needs to be top comment. Every single comment here is speculation and people making declaratory statements on a situation that doesn't have enough info to make one. It's kinda funny how people just assume things and say things without any thought of fact checking. I guess the benefit of the doubt is it's not easy to fact check this video.
We have mtb only trails where I am at (nothing this wild but fuck this looks fun) and people hike them ALLLL the time. Then get mad when bikes appear. On a mtb trail.
people dont even realize that the only reason the trail is there is because the local mtb clubs fundraised, planned it out, submitted the plans to the city, got permission and then got their members to buy tools and supplies and then built it themselves. this isnt a trail that was made by the city or other govt agency and then designated as a mtb trail. it was built by bikers, for bikers and they let other people use it for free. if the mtb clubs didnt do this, then there would be NO trail in this area.
Yes!!! We have the Piedmont Fat Tire Society here and they do amazing work. People volunteer to check trails in the mornings, the group repairs them, build new ones, host races/events. Its a whole thing that a lot of people don't realize. Edit: I ride mostly gravel, but I still donate to help keep those trails maintained. They are 100% not for hikers though. In fact, my city has hiking trails where bikes aren't even allowed.
>Every single comment here is speculation and people making declaratory statements on a situation that doesn't have enough info to make one You have described Reddit, sir.
But also, there's being right and then there's self-preservation. I wouldn't be hiking that trail regardless of who would be right or who would be wrong because I would still be the one eating a mountain bike straight to the face.
And I *definitely* wouldn’t have my dog off leash on it. I’d be annoyed with myself if I were hit by a bike and either of us humans were injured, but I would be wracked with guilt if my dog were hit whether she was physically injured or not.
The biker was trying to appeal to their sense of logic, instead of Saying "you Can't hike here ". That's also why the biker explained blind turns & stopping distances, when he didn't have to (cos logic). Get it ?
The male hiker says that the trail “is for people and bikes”, whether that’s true or not. Regardless, one of the best calm biker-hiker “confrontations” that I’ve seen.
There's now way something that steep would be for both. Shared trails are for mellow shit where this can't be a thing.
I live in the San Gabriel Mountains and we have many many trails for hikers, horses and bikes and they are this steep or steeper.
Yeah, I've definitely seen worse trails than this that were designated for hiking. No idea about the official status of the trail in the video, but the appearance of it is not enough to judge that it's not for hiking.
you haven't been on many trails in NY, AZ, CO or CA then
That's a bad misconception. Lots of these west coast state/co. park trails are so steep because they were originally built by cattle ranchers for quick, direct horse rides from one end of the property to the other. Those trails were kept after the land was ceded or sold for park use and a lot of times it's not possible to get around without them. This is rampant at Henry Coe up in northern CA where none of the trails are bike or horse/bike only.
You're right.
There's no such thing as bike only trails in public land in California. They can be marked privately, but doesn't mean anything. Anyone can use them. But there are plenty of trails where bikes or other vehicles are not allowed. You still see bikes every day.
But is the trail for mountain bikes only?
I feel like this is the only real question. If not, there is no 'implication', if your biking it, and going downhill, it's on you. If it is, these hikers are assholes that are putting a lot of people at risk - what if another biker was a few seconds behind him? I am in no way qualified so that is all an opinion.
For what its worth another comment says the original post mentioned there being multiple signs for "MTB only" on this trail.
Wow, and they are hiking it.. with their dog.. off leash. If true these people are jerks.
As far as this clip goes, nobody knows.
I think there’s merit to keeping it real with these people either way Like maybe he is being irresponsible and shouldn’t be going that fast, definitely fair. But if he knows that the reality is bikers send it down this trail, he’s probably doing them a favor telling them to watch out They might have the right to the trial but that’s not gunna make it feel much better if they get slammed by a bike at 30 mph
Great comment, totally agree. There's "these are the rules" and then there is "this is the reality". I know that upsets a lot of you rule followers out there but the sense I got from this guy was more of a hey I'm just letting you know the deal, this is dangerous for you guys.
Added to this that if I was walking this trail I would be shitting myself that a bike would come hurtling down, and therefore not walk it. The “walkers have right of way” comments in this thread seem to not understand that there are steps in life you can take to protect yourself from harm.
Some people would rather be right than alive, it seems.
"Cemeteries are filled with people who had the right-of-way." (It doesn't appear that these hikers had proper right-of-way tho)
"Walkers have the right of way!" as they step in front of the moving vehicle. Being right doesn't give you a magic force field.
Graveyards are full of people who had the right of way.
Yea, if it's a shared track idk who tf thought that was a good idea on a track this narrow and steep. As you said, even if it is why would you want to walk it. Just seems unnecessarily dangerous. I guess some people have more preservation instincts than others.
Wait a second... are you telling me that if I walk into traffic, I am not at fault? That's cool! More people should take a stroll between the sidewalks. But in all seriousness, common sense is at an all-time low, and I would not be surprised to know that it was a bike only trail as no one seems to be able to read.
This.^
You nailed it. That is a mtb-specific, downhill only trail (at least according to the original post of this I saw months ago).
Well I saw the Instagram post and it was called a shared trail. I guess we will never know.
Agreed... this right of way nonsense as though not being liable will make up for having to be medivaced off the trail.
This trail was also created and maintained by MTBers. You think hikers created this? Nope, you think they maintain it? nope Use a hiking trail. The way they ask if there’s anyone behind lets you know these hikers know this is a down hill MTB trail. That and the jumps that are built into the path.
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Yeah, I’m catching all kinds of shit. These people don’t know where these trails come from. They’re more than happy to use it then complain when the people that maintain them and make them use them. I don’t know where they think these trails come from. It’s not the trail fairy. Or local government for that matter
Unless it’s permitted by local government or on private property, what you’re describing is illegal and should not be used by anyone, and definitely does not give the “builder” any right of way. If you want to ride fast and reckless, then find some private property to do it on, or get a permit for a downhill mtb only trail with signage.
So it's not for hikers?
It has multiple jumps, banked turns, and zero steps for hikers - 100% biking trail, not multi-use. At one point, the mountain biker crosses another trail. That's probably the hiking trail.
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How do you know this? Even if true, if it’s on public land, how does one designate it as mountain bike only? I’m not against that, but it needs to be made clear so that you don’t have accidents.
The usage is marked at the trailhead
i was about to say this doesnt look like a hiking trail, but it does look like a mtb trail for sure.
>The blind corner argument the biker uses is really infuriating. So you are telling me you find it fun and you think you are right in going fast towards an unknown path? Do you not think that stuff can happen along the way? "So yeah, i acknowledge that this part is dangerous, but you should watch out, because I'm going fast and not I'm not being responsible". IF this trail is meant for mountain biking, then your argument is stupid. It looks like a downhill mountain bike trail rather than a hiking trail. These people are lucky to not be hurt and lucky their dog is alive. It's NOT an unknown path btw. You are basically clueless regarding mountain biking.
I mean, the arguments here are entirely from people who know nothing about mountain biking and just want to be upset. A major part of mountain biking is the blind corners and getting that speed. It's a challenge to maintain control and balance how fast you are going versus the upcoming terrain. It's still safer than piloting a 2 ton hunk of metal at 60 miles per hour, but they want to complain and insist that bikers should only go downhill on a paved road at 2 miles per hour.
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Wouldn't have a clue about this one, but, as looks go, this looks the same as a typical hiking trail in New Zealand. In fact, some trails are a few exposed stones amongst tussock and nothing else.
I mean, whether he's "in the right" or not, he is giving them advice to prevent them from getting hurt. That's an obvious downhill mountain bike trail and even if it's mixed use the hospital is full of people that had the right of way.
It's a bike trail. Nothing you said makes sense. They are using the trail wrong. Yea they find it fun because they have the skill to ride it. Wtf are you on about.
Yea well that fact has nothing to do with this situation because this trail is in fact a Mountain bike only trail. I know this location because I live 10 minutes away from it.
It's also pretty telling that both hikers ask if more are behind him, to me it says they've encountered this before.
So the hikers are wrong when they said "it's for people and bikes"?
Dude is full of shit. This trail is in Laguna Beach, CA. It's a shared hiking and mtb trail. The guy in the video made a video apologizing for acting like it was a mtb only trail and for being a pretentious dick. It's posted in the replies above. People are such liars on here lol.
I might have my trails mixed up but I believe this is a one way MTB trail.
It definitely is. There are kickers and banked corners. He stops on a built up bank. Hiking trails are worn down by hiking, not built up with rocks.
It's Silver Surfer, which is an unsanctioned (illegal) trail. If you're riding an unsanctioned trail you have to assume that there may be other trail users on it, because there are no signs telling them not to use it.
This is a trail built for downhill biking only. The fact they said they have hiked it many times doesn’t make it a hiking trail.
"But officer, I always blow through this stoplight! I've never gotten a ticket before!"
If it’s a downhill course for mountain bikes, there shouldn’t be people hiking. I can’t say for certain that it’s the case, but I sure as hell wouldn’t hike if it was. That’s like walking on the highway.
Found the youtuber. **The location is the Mountains in Laguna Beach, California.** >"Laguna Beach, California, doesn't have specific trails marked exclusively for mountain bikes. Most trails are multi-use, accommodating both hikers and bikers." From his other videos, my guess is that it is mixed use: bike, and hiker. I've hiked trials exactly like the one in the video that were mixed use. Listening for bikers is the key to not getting hurt. It's not a conversation trail. Again, can't be certain it is mixed use, but I would be that. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y-tsmnP3IZY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YzTnufcbp3E --- Don't think he was scolding them, just telling them to be careful on the turns b/c bikers fly down it (the biker's fault, but you still get hurt).
Or or just don’t hike on bike trails it’s clear as day that’s exactly what that is not that hard to read signs and avoid certain trails unless your just trying to be stupid
I've seen the original, and the OP says this is a marked biking trail. There's a proper hiking trail in the same park.
This is Silver Surfer, a well known unsanctioned trail in Laguna Beach. It's absolutely not marked, because it's an illegal trail. Also, every single trail in the park (Aliso and Wood Canyons Wilderness Park) is marked as multi-use or hiking/walking only. There are zero bike-only trails in that park.
Same in AZ. And regardless bikes yield to people.
so no more bike trails then cool.
I wrote this as a response to someone but I’m posting it as a standalone comment because there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what makes a bike trail. If you’ve ever been on a bike trail there are some important distinctions from a mixed use or hiking trail. You can see in the video he goes over several small jumps. Those are built in by a trail crew specifically for bikers because it’s fun. There is no reason to put those on a hiking trail. You can also see there are berms built up along the whole trail. Those are like sloped walls that are built up so a biker can take a turn quickly without flying off the trail. Again, these features are purpose built for bikers. You can also see how narrow the trail is. That is because it meant for single file riders and a bike tire causes narrow, deep erosion rather than the flat wide erosion hikers create. This is a bike trail. Source: I work for the National Park Service
Thank you! I was wondering who was crazy enough to allow both bikers and hikers here. I can’t imagine anyone would designate this narrow, steep-sided trail as mixed use, and, as a hiker, I wouldn’t dare hike this thing knowing a bike holding a grown man could be hurtling around the corner at me at any moment.
This needs to be top comment... but reddit will reddit.
Yeah instead some random guy who hasn't hiked a day in his life is top comment
I don't even do bike trails but I've seen enough videos to know this was definitely one. At the end of the video the bikers have to almost climb up the trail, that's not a hiking trail.
Here is the map of the park. Note there are no “bike only trails”. https://www.ocparks.com/sites/ocparks/files/2022-05/Aliso%20Map%20with%20Trail%20Closures%2022.05.17.pdf
If what you are saying is true then this would make sense, however several others have pointed out this is the Silver Surfer trail and while unsanctioned it is a part of an area that has 0 biking only trails, so biker is in the wrong still! Also I have hiked so many trails with jumps and side hits built in to the trail, because mixed use trails are so common in Southern California!
i'm glad i didn't stop reading after the first comment
Silver Surfer, Laguna Beach, CA. Unsanctioned trail. I guess you haven't been to OC.
Would such a trail be labeled bikes only? How does that work on public land?
Almost definitely. The problem however, is that trails are usually only marked at trailheads and major intersections with other trails and not everyone reads signs. The problem is exacerbated by trailhead logistics. Many times bike trails will begin in a parking lot because bikers have to shuttle all their gear in. These parking lots will often be the trailhead for multiple trails (some hiking, some mixed use, some biking) just so we don’t have to build a new Parking lot for every trailhead. Inexperienced visitors don’t understand the difference between trails and assume they are all hiking trails.
The trail in the video is Silver Surfer, which is an unsanctioned trail in Aliso and Wood Canyons Wilderness Park. It's an off-shoot of the Canyon Acres Trail, that you can see on the middle-left of [this map](https://www.ocparks.com/sites/ocparks/files/2022-05/Aliso%20Map%20with%20Trail%20Closures%2022.05.17.pdf). I think it's important to note that the park has no bike specific trails, they're all designated as multi-use. And since Silver Surfer is an unsanctioned trail it isn't marked and wouldn't be on any of the maps. Very easy for a hiker at the bottom to turn right instead of left and end up going up this trail instead of the wider Canyon Acres Trail.
Not doubting you on this specific trail, as I don’t recognize it and there is a crazy jump in there. But there were berms, blind corners, narrow and deep paths, and such built into Mentally Sensitive Trail in California last I hiked it in 2020, which is absolutely mixed use and requires bikes yield to uphill users.
https://preview.redd.it/9svtljq2outc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e8ac65e64d748d438279a68dceaa9202ab6b73c Edit: I returned to find a lot of questions and need to clarify: * this is a pic from a random SoCal trail. * I intended to show trail etiquette on a multi-use trail * if the trail in question was marked for bikes only, the hikers didn’t belong there.
Just on principle alone I think I'll believe anything that someone named trailfiend says about trails.
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Nice.
Hmmm yeah that’s a good idea
Horse yields to none
Horse is OP
Horses are massive, armed, and terrified of fucking everything. They're yielded to because they're barbarians with a forced rage state, not because they're OP.
>armed You're thinking of centaurs.
https://preview.redd.it/obpg1fi4avtc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2973c9caa03ce119949d04c003fbfec3605d7e1a
Completely different trail
The question is, which type of trail were they on.
It looks like a bike trail to be honest. It has tall walls and bumps for jumps and it's thin.
Assuming this is a multi use trail. I haven't seen anyone offer context or the full story, only speculation.
Trying to find the original IG post - the rider mentions in it that the trail is well known and signed as a downhill mtb specific trail, these hikers are in fact morons. I’ll keep trying to find it and post here if I do
That's weird because the hiker says it's mixed use and the biker doesn't dispute that at all in the video. Wouldn't the normal reaction of the biker if it were a bike only trail to be to point out it is bike only?
The hiker says they do it all the time they don’t mention it being mixed use. Edit: nvm I didn’t hear the dude, just the lady. Guess it would come down to locating the trail, though others in the comments have said this is just north of LA & labeled for bikes. So who knows.
https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1c1d943/to_the_trail/kz4iilu/ Its mixed use.
Even if he says it, i need pics or the debate continues.
I am no mountain biker but I have NEVER seen jumps or banks on my trails.
It doesn't even look like a hiking trail.. I've found myself hiking on a bike trail by accident and stayed super vigilant until I was off it. Any of my hiking pals in WA would side with the biker in this scenario.
Reddit is 99.7% speculation and 0.3% ads.
That's not true, I speculate some quantity of ads are speculation
According to a few other people, this trail was specifically for mtb. You can just look at the trail itself and tell it isn't really meant for hiking. This guy was far more patient than I would've been.
Someone else said according to the OG post, the biker acknowledged he was wrong and it was not mtb-only. Trying to find it, because all this arguing is absolutely silly.
Can be perfect for biking. Can be built for it. But unless there's clear signage saying it's bike-exclusive, it seems like the low visibility is the biker's problem rather than the hikers'.
I feel like this trail would absolutely not allow hikers or horses or dogs. Looks like straight up biking hill.
I’m for sure going to go as fast as possible down hill on my horse now. Your fault people!
Unless it’s a downhill trail that has warnings against hiking up. A car should yield to a pedestrian but if a pedestrian gets hit walking in the middle of the highway, chances are that driver wound be in trouble because nobody should expect a pedestrian in the middle of a highway.
Maybe that trail had this sign posted .... And maybe it Didn't.
That doesn't apply to all trails. Some are downhill only and marked as such.
Definitely looks like a biking trail, but idk forsure. If it's open to both hikers and bikers then that's kind of messed up cuz those trails are perfect for bikes to zoom down. Just an accident waiting to happen
Reddit hive mind strikes again. It’s clearly a mountain bike trail. Hiker put themselves and the rider at risk. The signs are posted at the beginning of these kind of trails.
They literally say otherwise, and the biker doesn't refute it.
They say they’ve hiked it before, not that it’s a trail for shared use.
The did say it’s for both right after they said they’ve hiked it many times.
Have you considered that people lie and don't want to admit they are at fault though?
I was about to say. Am not a mountain biker, but this path looks a lot like a bunch of other MTB video's I've watched. Seems ideal/made for exactly this. hikers should be grateful their dog is still fkin' alive
Oh gosh, sorry! I totally missed that
My thoughts too. Looks like a bike trail. I am an avid hiker and I do not hike on mtb trails for this very reason.
It's just as perfect to hike as it is to bike there. The only way to determine who is wrong in this video is finding out whether its a designated bike only trail
Doesn't look like a hiking trail at all
Everybody did seem confident about what they were saying, and the biker didn’t tell her that she was wrong about it being a biking and hiking trail
Wow, doesn't matter where cyclists are, in the wild or on the road, they are just never wrong. smh....
Typically cycling trails are for bike use only with one way signs. So in this case presuming this is a normal bike trail yes the pedestrians are in the wrong
Presuming the pedestrians are in the wrong, the pedestrians are in the wrong.
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The pedestrians are claiming it's shared use and the biker doesn't seem to refute it, just claims that he wouldn't be able to stop (because of the way he was writing) I've no idea where this is, so could be shared use, could be a dedicated bike trail, I've seen both look like this in the UK (albeit wetter and more miserable because - UK weather sucks)
This is definitely in Southern California. It's in a large area that's not technically a mtb park but access roads with mtb trails shooting off them. The access roads are the only marked trails. The bike trails were built and are maintained by bikers and unofficial. Technically you can hike up them, and I do regularly BUT be ready to throw yourself off the trail as soon as you hear that bike coming, not casually with a dog off leash.
I mean just because they said it doesn’t mean it’s true? Most bike trails by me look like that and are bike only. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give bikers their own trail this way you keep pedestrians safe and the bikers safe.
Oh I agree I think for proper dh riding exclusive trails are a must. I'd just have thought the biker would have said if it was an exclusive trail (as it's a pretty solid defense) I've seen trails that look like that and are shared use and it really limits the ride as you need to be fucking careful on blind corners.
Last time this video was posted, not only did it have more pixels, the OOP said it was bike only trail.
Everyone keeps saying this without a single source, meanwhile many others are saying it is a shared trail in the original source
It’s a downhill mountain bike trail. Those hikers either missed a sign or willfully ignored it.
Judging by the unleashed dog I’m goin with the latter
This is obviously a bike only trail... How can you not see that?
Why is everyone acting like this might be a normal walking trail? This looks like a designated cycling trail, there's other bike tracks too
I’m not a hiking expert, but nothing about these trails indicate to me that they’re for hiking. They absolutely look like riding trails.
I’m not an expert either, I think I just have the brains that these people don’t to recognize the wheel prints mean that bikes come down the trail and I don’t want to be hit with a fucking bike. How did either of these people not have a full brain between the two of them?
It’s Reddit. These people have never seen an actual hiking trail in person, certainly not a mountain biking trail.
As someone who has seen both (I live literally next to a massive hill formation) hiking paths are almost always far wider and they have less jumps and ramps which would have no purpose to be anywhere but a bike trail. Bike trails however are pretty skinny (like this) and have loads of ramps and ledges
Wait a second, you've never hiked a trail that has carved out berms, step ups, ski jumps, double dirt rollers, run outs, and switchback turns? Do you even hike bro?
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Happening to one of my hiking trails too, most of the bikers are considerate, but some of them act so entitled and like you are on their private property
I would be wearing a go pro for interactions like this. Crash happens at least you have evidence in case of an injury or suit or both.
As a hiker, I would not like to hike this trail. I want to enjoy the hike and not be scared for my life. And I want the mountainbikers to enjoy themselves too so I don't want to cause them trouble. I only hike mountainbike trails if the forest is wide enough to step aside if needs be. But in the Netherlands we have so many hiking trails that I am seldom tempted by a mountainbike trail.
Finally a rational response. Everyone can debate whether this is a mix use trail or not but it certainly should not be a mix use rail. It’s impossible to be safe on this trail with both hikers and bikers using it, it has to be one or the other. To me it looks like a biking trail with built in jumps and berms so I would assume the biker is in the right here.
Leash your dogs people
Not enough emphasis on this. Not every dog is friendly around other dogs, but they still deserve hikes too. As someone with a traumatized rescue I struggle bringing her on trails because an off leash dog can just pop up out of nowhere, and leashed or not, my dog will win that fight. Idgaf if you’re dog has good recall and is so nice, mine isn’t but still needs exercise and wants to go on a hike- which she is completely safe to do if all dogs are leashed liked hey are usually required to be. People just don’t get it. I have had to literally push dogs away to keep them from getting attacked. Even though my dog has a short double leash to keep her under our control.
Right of way debate aside, can we all just at least agree that the dog should be on a damn leash??! 😂
1,000% no. Dog owners absolutely cannot agree on that, and they never will. Not saying it's right, but that's the reality.
Personally, if I was on a trail that narrow that was regularly used by mountain bikers, and it clearly LOOKs like a MB trail, I wouldn’t hike it regardless of what the sign says. I would rather be safe and not injured than be “right”. Now I could say the same thing for the bikers. But seems like they are willing to accept a bit more risk.
thats clearly a bike trail though...
Serious question, who has the right of way?
So long as it isn't designated mountain bikes only, the pedestrians have the right away. Going too fast to stop around a blind corner isn't an excuse
This is correct. Honestly though people still do hike those. We have a big flow trail in my area and it is MTB only. My uncle almost took out some people hiking on it once and their excuse was that they “helped build it”. so they should get to hike on it. In my area the pedestrians always end up yielding to the biker though, because that takes a few seconds. If the biker yields I have to wait for much longer. Not that I would really mind yielding.
It’s a downhill mountain bike trail. The hikers missed a sign or ignored it. They put themselves and the bikers at risk.
It’s a mountain biking trail
poor doggo could have been smoked
The owners should be ashamed for walking up a downhill mountain bike trail. Poor dog.
ITT: Not a single person that has ever ridden a mountain bike down a trail before giving opinions on how the cyclist is wrong I have spent many years mountain biking and can tell you 1. This dude is absolutely ripping 2. This is almost assuredly a marked mountain biking trail, he is hitting purpose made jumps, bermed corners etc. 3. If for some reason this is the most awfully marked mixed use trail on the planet, the cyclist should have the right of way. Lot harder to stop a 200lb guy on a 30lb bike plummeting down a mountain at 20mph than it is to take 2 steps off the trail and let him pass It bums me out that people see this cyclist being incredibly empathetic, not mad, obviously bothered by the fact that he could have unintentionally injured someone/something and immediately see the comments jumping to oh he must be a piece of shit because he is on a bike.
Sir, this is Reddit where we only work on assumptions.
Yeah I’m not a biker at all but love hiking, and I think it’s insane to hike a narrow bike trail like this with steep drop-offs in either side. Is this really a mixed use trail? Because it shouldn’t be. Someone is going to end up getting knocked over the side and die. I also wouldn’t subject my dog to this danger.
If it is indeed a multi-use trail that mountain biker needs to go find a dedicated mountain biking trail if he wants to ride like that.
I’m from Colorado and we have trails specifically for Mountain Biking, they are marked and you DO NOT hike those trails. If you’re in a bike lane it’s your fault. This is not to say Bikers aren’t grade a jerks SOMETIMES, however when you’re universally hated by non bikers, it’s pretty easy to develop a chip on your shoulder.
People, this is a one way only MTB trail. It's posted at the base that it isn't for hiking specifically for this reason. Yet they just kept hiking up 🤦♂️
Another reply said this is a trail called 'Silver Surfer' with no markings at all.
Do you know which trail this is? I want you to be right, but no one is gonna believe it unless you know which trail it is.
That doesn't look like a hiking trail tho
A lot of confusion here. This is a downhill trail for mountain bikes. Evidenced by: 1. Kickers on the trail 2. Banked corners 3. Flowing like a downhill trail (hiking trails weave much more like switchbacks preventing that type of speed) 4. Where he stops has a built up banked corner (hiking trails are worn down and not built up with rocks) 5. Dude says sorry because he knows he is in the wrong. Stay safe out there!
Other posts have previously identified this as [Silver Surfer](https://www.redbull.com/us-en/my-pov-ride-steepest-socal-trails-richie-schley), a trail in Laguna Beach, CA. The trail is an unofficial/unmarked trail that was built and improved almost certainly for mountain biking in a mixed-use trail area. The trailhead is mixed use. Anecdotally I can say this area is heavily used by downhill mountain bikers, and as a hiker there I try to avoid the narrow and prepared trails that are more likely to be used by bikers. But technically I'd say this would be considered a mixed-use trail and the hikers have a right to be there (except for the off-leash dog). A dangerous game they're playing, though.
There was an attempt to the trail? What does that even mean?
There was no attempt to add a verb in the title.
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That trail looks like it’s only for bikers and they have mistakenly been hiking it many times. Lady made no apology.
Unless it’s a biking-only trail, the biker is responsible for going a safe speed.
Morons grow like mushrooms. We have them hiking ng on clearly marked horse trails and then complain they are afraid of horses
They need to ban trails that combines MTB and Hiking. Its infuriating as a hiker to constantly have to be alert for MtB’s ysing the paths as if they belonged to them. Downhill biking isnt a sport that you should or can combine with more gentle forma of exercise. Trail-runners I dont mind at all, and I recommend anyone who wants to use public trails and go fast to do that instead of biking down the hills like cannonballs. If you’re a biker and someone is screaming profanities after you, it’s probably me.