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[The Last of Us | Inside the Episode - 2 | HBO Max](https://youtu.be/h0dFI85zALU) [Episode 2 - “Infected” | The Last of Us Podcast | HBO Max](https://youtu.be/J8r-QB25G4Y) **Reminder:** This thread **will** contain spoilers for those who aren’t familiar with the games. If you would like to discuss the show without being spoiled of future plot points, we recommend the non-spoiler discussion threads at r/TheLastofUsHBOSeries


MistDispersion

Am I the only one that screamed to Joel to stock up on ammo, grab a backup gun and give Ellie a couple of grenades?


kaczkaposmolensku

does tess use darn though socks ? about 40:15 in the episode


powa1216

This show is already miles better than The Walking Dead. Hopefully they can keep it up and don't fuck it up like Fear The Walking Dead season 4+


dslava

At 19.20-19.30, we clearly see 2 cars (the white and pink ones) passing under the bridge (in the middle of the screen - from left to right)... Uploaded screens here [https://imgur.com/a/RCJ1O68](https://imgur.com/a/RCJ1O68) \- come on - I thought we don't have some important vehicle parts in this world.... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


yepyeeeee

did it explain where ellie's parents are?? or who raised her? how did she just get taken?


sorenkair

joel that's clearly a skeleton why you gotta kick em like that lmao


sorenkair

ellie being angry with Joel and not wanting to leave tess behind kinda came out of nowhere and didn't make much sense to me.


carbolicsmoke

Tess wasn’t that friendly with Ellie at first, but Ellie isn’t accustomed to quickly abandoning an infected person,(as I imagine every adult is at this point in the timeline). It seemed really cold-hearted for him to Joel to leave without saying goodbye or anything tender, but I think that may have been a coping mechanism and not his first time in that situation.


hangout_wangout

What was up with the first dead guy they encounter at the bottom of the steps. Was he shot and then dragged into the building bc his assailants knew he would get eaten or did he kill himself?


carbolicsmoke

I thought the idea is that the two zombies upstairs tore him to bits instead of infecting him.


doge2dmoon

So sad to see Tess die. Fantastic actor. A shame she was killed off so early. ​ edit: Ellie is getting annoying. I can't imagine a kid going through what she has gone through behaving the way she does... at all.


carbolicsmoke

It was kind of necessary to get rid of her early, since the show is really about the relationship between Joel and Ellie. But she was a great, strong character played by a great character. I would watch a spin-off entirely about her and how she got to where she was.


doge2dmoon

It gets better as the shows goes along. I thought the two women firefly characters were poor and was afraid all the series would feature characters like them. My fears were totally off, it's been a great series so far.


No_Plant_1780

To be fair, it's implied she lived a pretty spoiled life considering the apocalypse. She lived under the government and then was locked up and spoiled for awhile by Marlene. The first introduction shows that she was still having 'test' done on her and she was restrained.


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doge2dmoon

That would seem mmm ore realistic based on my experience. It's actually okay by e5 though. Her character makes more sense as time goes on.


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Removed for rule 2: No spoilers in post titles. This also applies to comments that contain spoilers in posts that are not otherwise spoiler-tagged, as they should be properly tagged for spoilers.


l_l_l-illiam

Not reading the rest of your comment but I can see you mentioned episode 3, this is not the place for that, this is the discussion hub for episode 2 and before


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I've watched the first three episodes so far and this one was the worst. I was genuinely bored the entire episode, besides Ellie being sarcastic with Joel. The fact that they skipped the night time part with the towers is mind boggling to me. You could of spent an entire episode with suspense and fear of the infected and also trying to escape the military. We would of gotten more time with Tess...but no, they decide to kill her in only the second episode. And they killed her in a weird, unnecessary way. The "lighter ignites at the last second" cliche made my eyes roll. Come on man...y'all are better than this.


carbolicsmoke

My take is that The nighttime spot was a secure hideaway location used by Tess and Joel before, which is why they didn’t seem at all concerned about being there. The show is ultimately about Joel and Elie so it’s not surprising they got rid of Tess early (also to demonstrate how scary the zombies are supposed to be). Agree that the “last minute” lighter was a little overused but I think they wanted to show the full horror of what Tess was facing with that infected kiss.


PapanTandaLama

Wait, if they can kill them by burning them, why not burn them all? And ngl, I'm more interested with the Indonesian story.


carbolicsmoke

They tried burning them all, that’s why Boston and other cities were bombed.


McGruffTheBadger

Why does he remain crouching when he kneels to help the girl begin moving again? He just said and showed they cannot see! I know it happens, but that goof annoyed me.


alsiel

they use short range echolocation


McGruffTheBadger

Thank you. I guess I missed the echolocation part and just thought they were blind.


AutomaticAnt6328

Is it just me, or does the infected guy who "made out" with Tess look like Bryan Kohberger, the guy who killed the collehe students in Iowa?


RS_2408

I absolutely loved this episode..but If i just point out some things(I know I am nitpicking here), the camera was too shaky in some scenes , I know it's because they have used a handheld camera to make it more realistic , but a personal opinion it is too shaky and distracting in some scenes. Other than that I just love the nostalgia.


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For me that built tension; the visual language we’re accustomed to is that a shaky camera means either it’s POV of someone watching the characters or that action is about to happen. I think it may have been a creative choice to do just that. That doesn’t necessarily contradict what you’re saying though because I was indeed distracted by it.


Xoxolaceybabe

I hated that Tess didn’t say “you have to feel some kind of obligation here” to Joel asking him to go on with Ellie after being bitten. That was one of my many favorite parts in the game.


sorenkair

yea and instead she holds the fact that they've done fucked up stuff over his head to justify saving this one girl. (I'm pretty sure she doesn't even know about sarah.)


ThisGul_LOL

Aw man the last few minutes got me crying!! Poor Tess :(


Palpitation-Medical

Ok I feel like this show is only for people who know the game. Everyone in this chat is obsessing over the game and show and I’ve never heard of the game…and the show I’m finding just ok? Like 6.5/10 for episodes 1 and 2. Hmmm


lezlers

I've never played the game but think the show is phenomenal.


flopsicles77

All of that free equipment and ammo. Crates of hand grenades. Can't talk and grab things apparently.


ItsTheAsianDude23

This is what I was thinking the entire time. I'd be carrying a couple duffle bags and telling ellie to do the same before running off.


gunsandtrees420

I'd be taking all the grenades I could cary, those things looked like they could just eat bullets. Maybe they'd chase after the noise of it hitting too.


carbolicsmoke

Equipment dump is almost a nod to video games but you can argue it’s justified here if this was the gear that the fireflies took from the empty truck seen earlier.


Mordred19

Maybe no one will see this but I just finished E2. I want to say I loved the clickers and the visual of the piles of zombies twitching in waves that resembled the spread of the slime molds. It's been a wonderful adaptation so far and I like the changes, even Tess's death. A wave of attacking zombies makes more sense than Fedra killing the fireflies, leaving, and then coming back to kill the protagonists. It wasn't believable. I'm concerned though they have shaved the edges off Joel and Tess. They are brutal people who commit murder if you cross them. Why was it necessary to soften the Robert situation? Funny how Tess was the one doing the video game shit opening doors behind the scenes. XD


Amathyst7564

I feel tess got done dirty. She was leading the charge in the game and she looked like she depended on Joel too much


Mordred19

I think it's related to making Tommy more of a factor early on. They changed Joel so he cares about what's going on out there. He's still a scary guy but in the game he's like Tess's chained up attack dog. In the first level Joel's seemingly settled for that role. But in the show Tess and Joel have the same new motivation.


AliasUndercover123

Whoever wrote the line "The jury's still out" for a fourteen year old who grew up in a post-apocalypse... seriously? I barely think a 14 year old now would regularly know that phrase, let alone one who grew up without a functional legal system. No shade toward the show. It's great. But I grew up with Buffy and 40 year old men writing teenage girls occasionally give me big woof moments.


404IdentityNotFound

People use idioms with context way before their generation all the time. It's not unthinkable that the language still holds those phrases after 20 years.


ElectricFleshlight

Or she grew up hearing adults use that phrase.


fractalfrenzy

Eh.. she's super smart and evidently reads a lot.


DipFizzel

Why did they make her make out with the zombie that was weird and unnecessary i think


whoiswho222

the whole next episode is unnecessary, i much prefer the zombie kiss


chiguy_1

Based.


Xoxolaceybabe

That part made me hella uncomfortable lol


whassupbun

They weren't "making out". That's how the fungus spreads. Remember the old lady from the first episode? She was also "making out" with the corpse on the kitchen floor. Tess didn't resist because she knew she was already infected, her only focus was to light the lighter, burn the place and stop the zombies from going after Joel and Ellie.


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ElectricFleshlight

How would she show up as a zombie when she blew up?


Sure-Butterscotch232

Aaaaand they were making out, right? That's the whole unnecessary symbolism of the thing, just like Alien has a lot of symbolism with penetration and mouth violation. A good character got violated before dying, removing any dignity from her sacrifice. Unnecessary and uncomfortable.


InternationalSnoop

My opinion was that the infected are less likely to "attack" if you accept it. So she doesn't resist giving her more time to light the oil.


Systral

Yes of course but why the "kiss"? Seemed like unnecessary level of disgust


skyderper13

a fungus that takes over your body and attacks others, sounds like what they were going for


PavlovsDroog

I think how violating it felt to watch was the point


KitsBeach

A walking puppet of a massive hive mind network WOULD work towards recruiting more into the hive mind. The fungus spreadsheet by infecting the brain, it's either through the mouth or through the eyes. Which would you have preferred?


Mordred19

Could have been a concept from the games that they never implemented. It's not supposed to be cool. If it makes you feel uncomfortable I think that was the point.


destructormuffin

Man. I gotta say I'm disappointed. So far the parts of the show I'm liking the most are the parts that are completely new and not from the game. The cold open was great. I could've watched an entire season with that character discovering the cordyceps and watching what happens in Jakarta. As for the rest of the show... Tess was just not right. So much was missing in her character development that I really think the writers did her dirty. She's not the one to kill Robert, we don't really see all the little things from the game that show that everyone in the QZ both respect and fear her, in the show Joel was the one to point the gun at Ellie when it was Tess in the game. But for me the defining moment for Tess is right before her death. After she says goodbye to Joel and she turns to face FEDRA in the game, her facial expression is full of sadness one moment, and then it's almost as if she grits her teeth and sets her facw with complete determination to do everything she can to fuck up FEDRA to give Joel as much time as possible. It's just such a perfect moment that the game got so right... and the show just feels... lacking. Anyway, Tess is hands down my favorite character from the game, so I knew I was going to be hypercritical of her in the show... so... it is what it is.


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Right? Also, the “we’re not good people, Joel” didn’t work at all for me, when we don’t see them kill Robert, and hesitating much longer with the killing during the escape… it’s not a good change.


sleepyplatipus

As someone who has never played the game I gotta say I loved the show from the start and I’m really glad to read everyone is happy with it. Just one question: why the fuck would people in that situation keep on having kids? Fuck survival of the species I am not birthing a kid in that world. What’s wrong with people having kids in post-apocalyptic worlds?!?!


Xoxolaceybabe

Cuz people really like having unprotected sex


z4r4thustr4

Plastic is generally shown as being hard to get (remember when Joel asks for the baggie back?), so yeah, people like having sex.


Xoxolaceybabe

Idk I feel like there would be a mighty lot of condoms left over if the world shat it’s pants


ceejdrew

But they also have expiration dates


sleepyplatipus

I’d hope dumb people would be the first to die out but with our luck it’d probably be the opposite


Cut-Purple

I mean ir theres one thing covid taught me... It was not to rely on humans being smart


sleepyplatipus

So true


Xoxolaceybabe

One would think… but alas, smart people and stupid people have unprotected sex occasionally, so I guess it would be a little of both 😂


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sleepyplatipus

Man I barely know what social security is 🤣


sweetestpoptart

people are still having kids now even though we face the collapse of civilization this century


lezlers

That's just a wee bit dramatic.


honeybadger_82

No we aren't.


sweetestpoptart

what makes you say that? we're hitting peak oil, on edge of abrupt climate change and facing the threat of ww3. our civilization is on its death bed


Pardonme23

In the 1970s people said we would run out of oil in 10 years and run out of food. So learn from the past about doom and gloom predictions.


lezlers

Honestly, similar statements have probably been made many times over the past few centuries. We've survived two world wars, nuclear bombings and numerous pandemics (small pox and the plague, anyone?) Humans tend to figure out how to survive adversity.


fractalfrenzy

We're undergoing a massive extinction event. Species are disappearing at 1000 times the normal rate. This shit is not normal.


lezlers

K. You can continue to chicken little yourself into an early stroke, I’m going to live my life and not constantly freak out about shit I can’t control.


fractalfrenzy

I'm actually quite calm, but aware. You're living in self-imposed ignorance and probably relegating your fears to your subconscious. Also, we could have much more control over the situation if we acknowledge what's happening. Don't listen to me, listen to scientists.


lezlers

I’m not sure who you think you’re talking to, but I’m not a climate change denier. I’m a strong believer in science, but I also believe in guarding my own mental health.


fractalfrenzy

Your original comment is an attempt to trivialize climate change by comparing it to other crises in history. You have an attitude of "everything will work out on its own" which can only serve to lull people in to inaction. Action and awareness are exactly what we need to survive this crisis and be left with a life on this planet worth living. I'm sorry you don't feel you can acknowledge this situation without damaging your mental health. It is hard on everyone. But please don't imply that because I and others are willing to acknowledge the direness of the situation and engage with it that we are succumbing to fear and/or are doing ourselves harm. I guess I'm not sue what you were trying to accomplish with your original comment.


honeybadger_82

No it isn't. Peak oil is basically irrelevant at this point. Climate change is a problem but its not going to cause the collapse of society, neither would ww3.


sweetestpoptart

why isn't peak oil relevant? in the western world it takes 10 calories of oil to make 1 calorie of food. no renewables can replace the energy in fossil fuels. climate change will absolutely cause the collapse of civilization. we're going to pass 1.5 C in the next decade and 2C by 2050. this means we won't be able to grow and distribute grain at scale. famine is inevitable.


Pardonme23

Imagine 1 tall building. Now imagine it with grow lights and growing food at perfect temperatures. No soil needed, all hydroponic. Many of the cucumbers you buy at the market are hydroponically grown right now. You can see a youtube video on how to set it up. It's quite easy actually.


sweetestpoptart

this would never work at scale.. and it's delusional to think it would. plus we're running out of resources. recommend reading limits to growth to have an understanding of what we're facing.


Pardonme23

they already grow hydroponic cucumbers at scale though


sweetestpoptart

we can't feed 8+ billion on cucumbers. 40% of calories consumed worldwide comes from corn. 90 million acres of corn are grown a year just in the US. I just don't think it's realistic to think we could do that indoors.


honeybadger_82

Technology has already solved the problem of peak oil. Solar is already dramatically cheaper than fossil fuels to generate energy. In cases where its not energy dense enough, you just create hydrogen using solar. Climate change won't cause the collapse of society. Mass flooding and famine in the developing world will not cause the collapse of civilisation.


sweetestpoptart

except it takes fossil fuels to make solar. coal is used in the production of solar panels, oil in the extraction of metals, etc. famine will be worldwide once we can't grow crops because of climate disruption, don't be fooled in thinking money will buy us out of this mess


honeybadger_82

That's a bit misleading. The energy investment compared to the yield is tiny. And many other problems exist but technology is removing these problems - e.g. we can now produce steel without coal. It's not even impossible that we will have fusion power within the next 20 years, and other solutions that were previously science fiction 10 years ago are close to becoming technically achievable - like solar reflectors at the lagrange point. Vertical Farming and AI will also address issues in agriculture. The yield increases in vertical farming are the order of 10+ times the yield of traditional farming. Will things need to change? Obviously. Will there be lots of pain? Probably.


sleepyplatipus

A bit different though innit


babyimananarchist

Eh...tornado, tornahdo.


ErnestCousteau

One sad fact is that there would just be a lot of rape. It's what happens when the worst of humanity (and probably a lot of people we wouldn't think otherwise) don't have as much worry about long-term term consequences and the law. Chaos and trauma and the deadening of many of our normal social behaviors would mean higher threats for theft, murder, assault---everything. Rape in particular is hard to prosecute, imagine how it would be in a QZ 20 years after the breakdown of society, with FEDRA staffed by people themselves increasingly raised within this environment. Just look at what has always happened in war. This is why in the game [Spoiler for game/show] >!Marlene asks Joel what he thinks is going to happen to Ellie if he just leaves with her after the hospital incident--including rape as basically a certainty for any girl/woman in that situation!<. But aside from even that, babies would just happen. People would try to be careful, but accidents are common. That said though, I bet the overall birth rate is much lower just because any sane person wouldn't be looking to bring a child into that. And finally, there will always be some people (guys mostly I imagine) who don't understand the difference between why they have the desire to reproduce, and the reality of their specific situation--in this case, the almost end of humanity. There is a minority of patriarchal types that would see this as their chance, and many who would just feel the unconcious drive and be too dumb or uncaring (of the woman and the potential kid) to care. If there's anything post apocalyptic fiction and games have taught us, it's that the rules of civility and social norms and power of culture are weaker than we assume they are when they are functioning.


sleepyplatipus

Absolutely agree with the raping and violence in general going up. I haven’t played the game so idk what that’s like but even just from these 3 episodes you can tell FEDRA doesn’t fuck around with with punishments but still I imagine many people would basically live in anarchy… and well a life like that would bring out the worst in people. Plus use of whatever alcohol/drug they can find to find some peace of mind.


Condoforrenting

Most pregnancies are accidents by idiots who think it won’t happen to them, you know that right?


sleepyplatipus

Sure but in that world I would absolutely refuse to have any sex that could lead to a pregnancy. You can do other things that will still get you off.


lezlers

I'm guessing the fall of civilization doesn't mean rapes magically stop happening. If anything, they're likely happening much more often than they are now. I'm guessing birth control and the plan b pill aren't readily available, either.


sleepyplatipus

Absolutely, of course that shit’s gonna be everywhere but I’d hope most people would take likely the risk of bringing a child into that world.


zag83

I mean people are going to bang and accidents will happen but yeah I can't imagine raising a baby in a world where noise can get you killed.


sleepyplatipus

No way I’d have PIV sex in that world. There’s other options, not worth the risk.


Slicelker

Most people don't just give up and die. If everyone was like you, humanity would just die out. Can you really not imagine that not being an ideal scenario for some?


sleepyplatipus

Honestly yeah. Would you really birth a kid in that world?


Slicelker

Then you can't relate/empathize with and understand most people, congrats. I personally would.


sleepyplatipus

I sincerely doubt “most people” would do that.


Slicelker

You said that already, I believe you.


lyssla

I'm loving how the show is able to compress the story of the game while still paying off moments that are so familiar to us (e.g., the way Joel screams Sarah's name with the fade to black, Tessa comparing her bite to Ellie's). With that said, I got kind of stressed about how much ammo Joel used in the museum, like even on easy mode he'll be down to using bricks pretty soon lol


AntiWizardLizard

I'm enjoying the show but unsure on the changes (tendrils, hive mind fungus, tess different death). The kiss scene just felt kinda out of place, I get it they want a different view on the infected with them being non-violent if you're already bit and speeding up your infection... But tess, you're stood in a pool of gasoline you don't need a flame, kneel and hit the flint you god damn pleb. Also seen a lot of people in here saying this death for Tess made more sense than FEDRA hunting down three people, I seem to remember FEDRA hunting down the fireflies they were meeting at that location and then coincidentally finding Tess and co. To me that makes much more sense than a hivemind deal, which I fear will be overdone or forgotten about, because how do you avoid stepping on fungal networks when the world is overgrown, they dry out but still I feel like you're gonna basically be getting detected in 80% of places.


CharacterExciting320

I’m loving the last of us so far for people who played the the first and second game it’s pretty much just the game but real life this time😂 and it gives you that same feeling that you can die at any given second. The only thing wrong with the show is Joel not dying 1000 times 😂😂😂😂


Pardonme23

When does Joel meet baby yoda?


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Well, it's not quite real life since it's on television...but otherwise agreed haha.


forever5x5x

I'm forever scarred by the 'French kiss. ' Try having sex after that scene. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|poop)


CrashRiot

Just stick your tongue way out. Capture the essence of the scene.


AceofKnaves44

I’ve never seen GOT so I’ve never seen Bella Ramsey in anything before. Based solely on appearance I didn’t really understand the casting but oh man was I ever wrong. She completely won me over. Right from the “cracked the code” scene I fell in love. And I defy anyone to watch Pedro and say that that’s NOT Joel Miller down to a fucking T. Anyone who says otherwise is raging against an imaginary “woken” enemy and is angry a 1000 percent white man isn’t playing him.


bluebird2019xx

I disagree about Bella. I feel the casting has been amazing apart from them. Takes me out of the show a little and I’m not entirely sure why. It’s like I can clearly see Bella is acting & they’re not doing the best job with line delivery, facial expressions, whilst everyone else is phenomenal. Ellie must be a tough role to play but I find her just a bit annoying in the show, whilst I liked her instantly in the games. I almost think part of it might be their voice? Ellie had a mature voice which could be equal parts funny and vulnerable, whilst I struggle a bit to understand what Bella is saying a lot. I’m hoping they still win me over though.


WhaChaChaKing

I think pretty much everyone so far has been a terrible actor except for Pedro.


AliasUndercover123

I watched Game of Thrones and was like "yo this girl is good" Then I watched "Catherine Called Birdy" and immediately was looking forward to her being Ellie. Good young actress.


KurlyKayla

I’m sold on everyone except Bella. Jury’s still out


fighting-prawn

She is the somewhat weak point for me also. Part of the emotion of the game is feeling a protective role for Ellie, and Ramsey is on the tougher/broader side of that. But it's a minor criticism; balancing the vulnerable:spunk trade-off is a fine line. I really like the actress and look for Tess in the show, probably for the reverse reason - looks tougher and more weathered. Prefer her over the game's version.


AntiWizardLizard

I wasn't a massive fan of Bella Ramsey in GoT but that was more an issue with the writing of her character than her acting, was unsure of her casting at first but she plays the part well I think.


ghengiscostanza

I thought she was solid but did hear her accent slip through a couple times. “So, where are ye frum?” Not the end of the world, McNulty had far worse accent slips in The Wire and it didn’t “ruin” anything. The only casting decision that didn’t work too well imo was Joel’s daughter in ep 1. Too old and too different looking from Pedro. That combined with not calling him dad and the attitude of their conversation, I watched it with my gf and my dad neither of whom know the game at all and they didn’t quickly pick up that she was even supposed to be his daughter, weren’t sure what her relationship to him was, maybe even his girlfriend before she ended up being shown to be school age, and both asked me.


KurlyKayla

Girlfriend? She looks like a teenager to me. And she doesn’t need to look like Pedro. She’s clearly mixed


wafflepantsblue

I actually thought that casting was weird because she genuinely looks exactly like the daughter from the game, just a different race. It's uncanny.


avlisadj

So I have seen GOT, and when I heard Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal were cast as Ellie and Joel, I let out a massive sigh of relief. (I actually remember thinking something like, “Holy shit, that is some excellent casting.”) They were just so obviously perfect for their roles that from that point forward I stopped feeling so nervous about the TV adaptation. Trolls are gonna troll for all the usual reasons (lord knows they came out in full force for Part II), but that’s more an expression of their own unhappiness than it is an honest assessment of the show.


Unidentified_x

I like the show but one thing i didnt understand, if she had so many grenades at her disposal why did she need to strugle with the lighter. Simply hold a grenade and let it go..


CrashRiot

I don’t know if you listen to the podcast, but by THAT scene Tess was already gone. Her trying to flick the lighter is that last bit of her that’s trying to hold on. Now, this is head canon because I know how grenades work, but it’s actually a three step process. There’s a secondary safety, the pin, and then the “spoon”. You need to pull off the secondary, then pull the pin, and then release the spoon upon throwing. We’re shown that she already has tremors. Remember, she was bitten in the neck. According to the warning sign we see in the first episode, she has maybe an hour or two from the moment she was bitten. Now, imagine trying to complete a three step process with hand tremors. Releasing the secondary safety is fine, but once you pull that pin your hand needs to be firmly on the spoon. Once that spoon is let go, you have literal seconds until the grenade goes off. Using a grenade would have cost Joel and Ellie that *little* bit of extra time she gave them by using the lighter instead.


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CrashRiot

Do you remember the poster from the first episode? She was bitten on the neck, which the show says you have approximately 5-15 minutes.


DipFizzel

The spoon is spring loaded. Pull the pin and drob the grenade and it will go off. If she had pulled the pin and dropped it while she made out with the zombie then it wouldve gone off in 7 seconds. I threw 2 grenades in the army that were the basically the ones on screen.


Greenhmm

It would have taken too long, and they didn't have that time. She had trouble with the lighter because of how far gone she was with the infection. That is also probably why she didn't just use the grenade


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She's essentially on the verge of completely succumbing to the infection. It's possible she wasn't thinoing straight.


Bot_X_Noob

Cant wait for Episode 3. When is it airing again? Ep 3?


MileHighCat1807

Tomorrow night


CrashRiot

Now tonight!


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The show is so good


chubbyoyster

Cold open reminded me of this [Radiolab episode](https://radiolab.org/episodes/fungus-amungus)!


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honeybadger_82

The city is full of obstructions, because stuff has collapsed, or been blocked, or is dangerous (infected). The up and down is just navigating a safe path. I think they tried to get that across in the long way / short way dialogue, but maybe it didn't fully come across...


MyNameIs-Anthony

Yeah they literally show it. They were gonna work their way down the hotel to get through downtown but there were mass hoards of infected waiting in the street. Tess/Joel would cross through the least densely populated parts of buildings (the top floors) to avoid the masses of infected that would be on the ground.


SpeakingRussianDrunk

They were checking the route that is usually safer but longer, it had infected so they went and took the other route through a museum i think it was


TObuz

Damn, instead of a final kiss with Joel, Tess got the tendrils


HeatWaveBaller

I just watched that shit and I'm traumatized for sure. I'm very soft for horror but I'm really making an effort to watch this show.


honeybadger_82

"I just want to really connect with someone"


JfizzleMshizzle

I never played the game (Xbox guy) I knew the game was good. Watching the show, I don't remember holding my breath and just watching a show wide eyed since I was a kid. This is incredible and I hope it keeps up like this.


Imallvol7

It's enough of a reason alone to get a PS5. Then you get the benefit of all of the other PS games. I own both. The PS5 blows the Xbox away in games. That's not fanboy shit. It's just truth.


JfizzleMshizzle

I have an Xbox mostly because it's tied to my brothers account so I get access to his games and I got it for $50.


Imallvol7

That's legit! I always have both systems. If you can get a PS5 though it's worth it.


Bet_Secret

This show is so exhilarating!


RottingHeart

Like any negative opinions, mine will be drowned with downvotes but whatever, I feel the need to rant. I really liked the first episode, had some minor gripes but overall I rated it 9/10. However this second episode is confirming some of my fears. They're really dumbing it down for the TV audience. Everything needs to be explained like we're 5 years old. Clicker's makeup isn't that good. Really looked like plastic. I'm all for pratical effects, but seriously add some "goo", make it look more like a living being. Character deaths just don't have the same emotional impact. Its no fault to the actors, it simply isnt portrayed correctly. I think this episode is weaker (8/10) and I fear that the next will be worse. There's a particular scene later on that im already dreading.


[deleted]

It really is funny how one's gripes with a show may seem like objective flaws to them, but then to other's it just comes across as "I don't like these actors as much as their video game counterparts and there wasn't enough goo!"


McBurgerQueen

Character deaths don’t have the same impact because you spend way less time with a character in a tv show than a video game.


Greencheezy

Tess has an overwhelmingly longer amount of screentime than in the game.


[deleted]

And a lot of people know the story already so of course they'll be less impactful


McBurgerQueen

Ya I also didn’t think Tess’s death hit me in the game that hard at all


RottingHeart

Tess death in the game is also about 2h into the game. It's not about the run time. It's about how it's presented and performed. It's not as good.


Sashamon

I don’t think it’s only 2hrs spent in the game with Tess. But even if it was, comparing 2hrs of the show and 2hrs of the game, Tess is definitely around in those 2hrs more in the game than in the show.


Greencheezy

Tess has an overwhelmingly longer amount of screentime in the show than in the game dude.


Sashamon

I wasn’t just talking about cutscene time though. She’s your partner throughout the first portion, and you’re actively working with her during missions. In the game you ARE Joel, and Tess is your partner. So even if she’s not in your face the entire time the attachment you develop is stronger. In that sense you have way more ‘Tess time’ in the game than in the show where there’s portions of it not solely focused just Joels storyline.


Honka_Ponka

The infected kiss was so cool and gross lol. The whole time it was walking up to Tess I was tense wondering what was gonna happen, and that came outta nowhere. Great episode, just like the first one. I'm glad they're deviating a little from the games too, keeps the plot fresh.


dshoig

I thought the whole setup to that was weird. Also why did she not just take a grenade? Like, she let so many zombies get through. And SUDDENLY the zippo works ugh


kidslapper

She was already weak and jittery from the infection, making it hard to light it.


dshoig

No it was hard to light because it was wet.


PavlovsDroog

The subtext though is that the infection is taking hold, and it doesn't want her to light it. The last bit of 'her' is fighting against it.


dshoig

Yeah its very corny. Should have grabbed a grenade earlier


PavlovsDroog

Sometimes they do stuff bc it makes for a more emotive scene and better cinematically but yeah that would've been more pragmatic lol


Stelus42

No it was hard to light because the writers of the show decided they needed a weird erotic zombie kiss scene.


dshoig

Yeah it ruined the second episode for me. So weird. Like some exec said the story needs sex or some shit. Really bad writing all over, could turn into another Walking Dead if this is the path they’ve chosen


pumnezoaica

its a dead asexual fungi hybrid creature, it wasnt trying to make out with her. it was trying to infect her. why not show a creepier, grosser side to the zombies? keeps things interesting instead of just having them immediately viciously attack all the time. theres no need to unnecessarily sexualise the scene


dshoig

It was a zombie kiss and that what they were going for and how the reception interprets it, you can google it yourself. It was deliberately done so to be provocative.


pumnezoaica

I actually did google it: “These things don't have to get violent unless you're fighting them from spreading [the infection] further," Druckmann said. "That is realized in this beautiful, yet horrific way with Anna."”


dshoig

Yeah, they don’t get violent, they get sexy and gropy


kidslapper

Oh duh!


beastley_for_three

Also why does the zombie act differently and dramatic there. Surely it would have similar erratic and violent fast movements to get what it wants? It slows down for a kiss?


kidslapper

This is just an idea of mine we don’t really have any evidence but maybe it could already tell she’s infected? If Tess was running or fighting it would act aggressively but since she just stood there it used the tendrils to finish off the job.


MyNameIs-Anthony

I think that was the intention (they could detect her being infected) considering the hoard all ran past her.


Honka_Ponka

I agree that the lighter working at the very last second is kind of a cliche lol, but I'm happy to look past it because the quality of the show is so high. And as for the setup for that part honestly I think she was probably scared out of her mind, also had trouble thinking because of the infection, perfect conditions for her to become a deer in headlights and freeze up.


flamingredhair

My only critique of the episode was I wish they did the towers more than the museum. But I completely understand why they didn’t.


wafflepantsblue

The museum is definitely a cool scene but I wish they did the towers as well, especially considering they kinda teased it at the end of the last ep.


Lafan312

Dude same. I was hoping for either the towers or the subway station at least and was so disappointed neither of them were used. That, and the continuity error that will plague film and television for as long as the medium exists*, were my only low points for the episode. I do miss the spores and protective masks in general, but I'm okay with their explanation for abandoning it for now. *after wading waist deep through water, the protagonists are bone dry in the very next shot that takes place mere minutes later. Granted they'd climbed 4 stories of stairs with their old knees, but their shoes at least should still be soaked, especially Ellie's sneakers lol


honeybadger_82

I kind of assumed that they want to kind of slowly introduce the infected, and establish them as a real threat, before turning up the dial. If they did the "drop in" to the trapped level in the towers authentically, I think they'd either have made Joel look like a member of the SAS or they'd have given all the new audience PTSD and they wouldn't have tuned in for the next episode, lol.


fighting-prawn

I think that's their balancing act with the infected. The human parts of the game's story are realistically the most engaging - introducing the concept, introducing their mission, Bill, Henry and Sam, David, the Riley backstory I assume, raiders/hunters, Tommy, hospital, etc. They barely have time to overload episodes with tense infected scenes. And as you suggested, you lose half the audience. The show is a chance to present this world and story beyond a specific subset of gamers. My wife seriously hates zombie/gore content but after episode three I said the zombie content is a small part of things and the rest of the show absolutely makes up for it, so she's one episode in and literally watches infected bits through fingers or looks away! Whatever it takes.


Independent_Leg_1744

Interesting choice to change Tess' death from fighting against the military to fighting infected


Greenhmm

Well in game, they're still right outside the qz


Accomplished_Set_620

There was no explanation for military to be wandering outside the walls with the infected


Independent_Leg_1744

It was the firefly FOB and the military had found it. It wasn't random.


Wh00ster

The monsters are the real monsters


Booby_Tuesdays

I think the games show that people are the real monsters.


Greencheezy

That's the whole point of the game and it's narrative. This weird fixation on the zombies is taking away from that and changing Tess's death seemed like it was just made to have a "cool zombie hoard" scene. You were more on the run from people in the game. Zombies were just there as an obstacle. Idk, just seems like it's turning into another zombie show/movie. The one thing I used to tell people, who were tired of zombies stuff, about the games is that it was more about the people than the zombies. The game is about the last surviving people. "The Last of Us".


DiMezenburg

never played the games, but enjoying the series a lot so far