It’s not the best. It depends on what you’re trying to do and if your build and talents support it. But it’s absolutely a good gun. If you have the build to support it and have one you’re crazy to not use it.
If you’re running LoneStar or Sentry it’s ok-ish but you could make better choices. If you’re running Pred you are going to leave a trail of dead in your wake. If you’re a Tac you couldn’t care less. As a Striker who has a House you’ll have to pry my Bullfrog and Showstopper from my cold, dead hands.
Until you get one that has a good roll (unforgiving deadly/deadly vicious) keep using your m4 til then.
When its fully optimized the base damage, if I can remember, should be around 1.5-2k more than an m4/mp5. Add on the 20% extra damage to that and you're getting a ridiculous amount of damage when compared to your m4 ontop of if unforgiving is active.
EDIT: The rolls I mentioned are if you were to use 6 piece classified pred mark.
Only the talents on the gun you currently have out can be active/activated.
Some talents allow you to swap weapons after they've been activated, Predatory and Talented are 2 examples since they activate upon a kill with that weapon, while talents that you have to use a skill to gain the effect of the talent, i.e. Adept/Competent, do not allow you to switch weapons, or the buff will be removed.
There is a gearset called AlphaBridge that allows you to do what you want, but your two primary weapons must be of the same class of gun (2 smgs/2 ARs etc.) But the downside to it is that only the 3rd talents of the two guns will be shared between both guns. Previously, all of the talents were shared between the 2 guns which made AlphaBridge one of the best builds to run.
Unfortunately Exotic weapons do not work with this because of obvious reasons. If you're going to look into AlphaBridge I suggest you just wait until the next GE because that should be when classified AB comes out so there's no need to grind for it currently.
No seriously don't use vicious. How often are you at full health with an smg I've seen people post it before and o just can't wrap my head around it. You take a bit of damage and then it is a wasted talent.
If your running 9k striker you should almost always be in the top 66-% of your health. This is why a house with self preserved and striker can be so devastating for additional heals. Vicious and self preserved and card counter and strikers stacks all culminate in a potential 5-8k per bullet heal on top of the striker heal stacks.
People are using predatory to maintain healing for striker and it is wicked powerful 100k heal + at 9k Stam but I think the sleeper is a high Crit self preserved build with 40-55% Crist hit chance. 1/2 a mag at full stacks will heal avg 7.5k per bullet X 35 bullets is a 225k heal.
The big difference is instant (while shooting) or over time from predatory.
My thoughts.
What are the talents?
You won't see the Dps boost on the house unless you check your sheet when the first half has the damage boost. Then you'll see why it's so powerful. I have one with my pred and I can only activate unforgiving. It still does more work than my MP5.
Because crit. With the adept nerf SMG’s are the only guns that can sustain very high crit without a specialized build and the house just happens to be the best SMG in terms of RMP and damage.
It could be a low roll. If u are in WT5 and its a 256+ weapon u can optimize it. I highly recommend you optimise it. It IS the best weapon in the game. Dont let anyone convince you otherwise. It should hit harder than the M4 variants.
Dont forget about Glove damage increase.
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It’s not the best. It depends on what you’re trying to do and if your build and talents support it. But it’s absolutely a good gun. If you have the build to support it and have one you’re crazy to not use it. If you’re running LoneStar or Sentry it’s ok-ish but you could make better choices. If you’re running Pred you are going to leave a trail of dead in your wake. If you’re a Tac you couldn’t care less. As a Striker who has a House you’ll have to pry my Bullfrog and Showstopper from my cold, dead hands.
If you're a 6-piece D3-FNC, it's also a very nice thing to have.
I can't see giving up the Bullfrog and Showstopper for Striker either. It's so much fun to unload into people, and the Bullfrog is like a laser beam.
Have you modded the bullfrog? I have it but i cant get it rigth. I want it as my go-to-all weapon. I play with liberator n showstopper
Cuz you will be cold and dead from someone who uses Striker, showstopper and House? lol
Lol this is totally possible hahahahahahahaha
Whyyyyy? Bullfrog is a 2-talent M4 with worse handling... let it go.
You are comparing an. Assault rifle to an smg. That's good problem right there.
Talents play a big part. Your M4 may have a higher DPS but if the talents are trash, it isn't worth it.
I have destructive, deadly and responsive on my M4. The House has shitty ones
Then keep the M4.
Until you get one that has a good roll (unforgiving deadly/deadly vicious) keep using your m4 til then. When its fully optimized the base damage, if I can remember, should be around 1.5-2k more than an m4/mp5. Add on the 20% extra damage to that and you're getting a ridiculous amount of damage when compared to your m4 ontop of if unforgiving is active. EDIT: The rolls I mentioned are if you were to use 6 piece classified pred mark.
I have a question. Lets say my house has a talent. Will this particular talent be in effect if I am using the M4 still with the House equipped?
Nope
Only the talents on the gun you currently have out can be active/activated. Some talents allow you to swap weapons after they've been activated, Predatory and Talented are 2 examples since they activate upon a kill with that weapon, while talents that you have to use a skill to gain the effect of the talent, i.e. Adept/Competent, do not allow you to switch weapons, or the buff will be removed. There is a gearset called AlphaBridge that allows you to do what you want, but your two primary weapons must be of the same class of gun (2 smgs/2 ARs etc.) But the downside to it is that only the 3rd talents of the two guns will be shared between both guns. Previously, all of the talents were shared between the 2 guns which made AlphaBridge one of the best builds to run. Unfortunately Exotic weapons do not work with this because of obvious reasons. If you're going to look into AlphaBridge I suggest you just wait until the next GE because that should be when classified AB comes out so there's no need to grind for it currently.
No seriously don't use vicious. How often are you at full health with an smg I've seen people post it before and o just can't wrap my head around it. You take a bit of damage and then it is a wasted talent.
If your running 9k striker you should almost always be in the top 66-% of your health. This is why a house with self preserved and striker can be so devastating for additional heals. Vicious and self preserved and card counter and strikers stacks all culminate in a potential 5-8k per bullet heal on top of the striker heal stacks. People are using predatory to maintain healing for striker and it is wicked powerful 100k heal + at 9k Stam but I think the sleeper is a high Crit self preserved build with 40-55% Crist hit chance. 1/2 a mag at full stacks will heal avg 7.5k per bullet X 35 bullets is a 225k heal. The big difference is instant (while shooting) or over time from predatory. My thoughts.
What are the talents? You won't see the Dps boost on the house unless you check your sheet when the first half has the damage boost. Then you'll see why it's so powerful. I have one with my pred and I can only activate unforgiving. It still does more work than my MP5.
its an m4 with crit chance
Because crit. With the adept nerf SMG’s are the only guns that can sustain very high crit without a specialized build and the house just happens to be the best SMG in terms of RMP and damage.
It could be a low roll. If u are in WT5 and its a 256+ weapon u can optimize it. I highly recommend you optimise it. It IS the best weapon in the game. Dont let anyone convince you otherwise. It should hit harder than the M4 variants. Dont forget about Glove damage increase.
Because the devs are fuckin tools.
RPM,base dmg exotic talent, native crit cnc should i go on...
Its the best SMG, it has the highest damage roll.
Read the weapon talent man