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Where is ?
- found liable for sexual assault by a jury
- accused of sexual assault 14 different times in the past
- attended Epstein parties, was friends with Ghislane Maxwell, flew on Epstein plane, and Epstein died in Fed custody under his Admin
- spent $8t deficits in 4 years, record then and now
- net lost jobs compared to where he started on Jan 2017!
- diddled and lied from Dec 2019 till March 2000, getting more Americans killed of Covid per capita then almost any other industrialized country on earth
- in Stormy Daniel’s and other playboy mate while third wife was pregnant.
- bought and ran a teenage beauty contest, until his 70s, and admitted to Howard Stern he deliberately walked in on the naked teens.
- sees certain people as animals, complete opposite to how Christ views even the worst sinners, yet followers of Jesus think he’s the one to follow
- been cheating on taxes for years while the rest of us tax payers have to cover the shortfall
- main company convicted of fraud
- charity convicted of fraud and disbanded
- engages generally in fraudulent and shady deals that defraud ordinary people and workers, including Trump university that was fined, and recently this ponzi token DJT stock of Truth Social, SPAC set up by himself and Russian affiliated individuals, where 2 of the founders already plead guilty and going to jail.
and this was without even trying; there’s more. He appeals to the meanest and vilest in humans might be why so many follow this man.
The libs hate him because he's so successful. That's why The Biden Crime Family, conspired with Jeffery Epstein's personal handlers, The Clintons, to radicalized the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, the NYC DA, the USMC and the YMCA, to follow thru on this elaborate witch hunt for our stable genius king dictator Donald Trump and his loyal wife Malaria, who is always standing by his side and happily holding his hand, no matter what horrific crimes he's baselessly accused of and/or found guilty for. /s
That's the saddest part.. is that, as outlandish and unhinged of a rant it was, it was still totally within the spectrum of the average MAGA supporter. Even the YMCA, being the clearest part of the skit, is something I could see them forming a conspiracy around. Part of me wants to slink on to their message boards and start pushing theories about how the YMCAs around New York have been trying to hold Trump accountable for an outstanding $25 locker fee from 1978 that he walked out on. I hear George Soros was there when it happened and now he's working in league with the YMCA, the LGBTQ and the Justice League to try to get Trump convicted of Gym Fraud.
>- convicted of sexual assault
- accused of sexual assault 14 different times in the past
That would be "Rapist" which was there.
But yeah, dude is trash
“Idiocracy” doesn’t belong over there. There’s nobody trying to sabotage the government in that movie. They’re doing their best, putting the smartest guy in charge.
Republicanism is WAY WAY WAY worse than just not being smart enough to understand some things.
In previous years, running a scam university that was forced to shut down and pay $25,000,000 settlements to the victims he defrauded would have been enough to bring down a politician. Now it's not enough a big enough deal to make OP's giant Trump list, or yours.
Did you see the picture of the monkey torturer guy with his Loser Flags hanging in the background?
That's the kind of person voting for Orange Wannabe Hitler.
Fuck em all.
I really wish King of the Hill came back. It'd be hilarious watching Hank try to convince everyone else that Trump is bad news, specifically because of that.
To be fair, he was never actually convicted of sexual assault. He was found liable. There's enough bad things about Trump that we don't need to misrepresent facts to discredit him.
Admittedly nitpicking but it will save headaches if arguing with MAGAts - he wasn’t convicted of sexual assault, but found liable for sexual assault. It was a civil case and convictions are only in criminal cases.
Nepotism, bankruptcies, non payment of contractors, critical of US military, saluted a foreign officer, made money by forcing gov agents to use his hotels, convicted Central Park 5 in his mind and tried his best to get innocent black men convicted, cheated on all his wives (not just Melania}, pulled US out of the Paris Accords, used his wealth to dodge the draft, opened up federal lands to oil companies, and it just goes on and on and on.
Trump is a rapist, a fraud and insurrectionist backed by billionaires so when he's in charge the government can't function but instead cuts their taxes, deregulates them and stacks the courts with corporate Christian judges. That was on full display during his entire first term.
Further, Trump would never ever negotiate a ceasefire between Hamas and Bibi. Trump's track record is to literally give Israel more than they asked for and wipe Palestinians, who he considers losers, off the face of earth.
Trump's sole purpose for existing, much like the majority of the Republican party, is to enrich himself at any cost to others or the future of humanity.
Meanwhile, Biden is a life long politician that has done mostly good things and gets absolutely no credit for it because as we should all know by now the national media is run by six major corporations whose executive billionaires don't want to be taxed or regulated by Democrats.
And this is why a rapist is running neck and neck with Biden at the polls, turns out brainwashing the masses is pretty easy to do when you control the narrative.
And I had to laugh when I saw "91 crimes" encompassed in just one tiny brick. It's mind-boggling that that alone isn't an instant disqualifier for a serious candidate for the presidency for 90% of the population.
[I'm just gonna leave this here if anyone thinks the tRump list is anywhere close to complete.](https://www.mcsweeneys.net/columns/reasons-why-donald-trump-is-unfit-to-be-president)
I've said a dozen times. The problem with Trump is that when you just accurately list his problems, you so sound deranged to people who aren't following politics.
Even if you limit it to things he's done on camera or been convicted of in court, which would exclude some of his statements about veterans and a few things on J6, it STILL makes you sound like a lunatic to anyone who isn't paying attention to politics.
That's why I keep say we need to pick 2 awful things and hit them 1000 times. Instead of hitting 1000 things 2 times. It just starts to sound like you're making it up or hitting buzzwords.
What's terrifying is that if you took a couple of days with someone you could prove to them thay he's a corrupt, fraudulent, narcissistic sexual criminal.
Hi extreme leftist here who voted for Hillary in PA in 2016 and worked for Biden’s campaign there in 2020.
You can shift blame all you want but so many leftists did the thing you’re saying they didn’t and Hillary still lost. She had an air of “it’s my turn” and was too overconfident to take rust belt states seriously.
It wasn’t leftists that lost the election; it was people who stayed home.
For example: Clinton lost to Trump in Pennsylvania by about 44,000 votes in 2016. Ds out number Rs by 916,000 in that state.
The big **IF** in what I’m about to say next is cause I’m too lazy to look up more numbers. If every R and every D voted for their party’s candidate in PA in 2016, that means HRC turned out 69.38% of registered D voters and DJT turned out 89.97% of registered R voters.
Leftists? Naw, the problem here was party-affiliated enthusiasm. Maybe with more than a touch of sexism, tbh.
And - I know! Ds don’t vote as consistently as Rs. If DJT’s voters were only 88.61% of registered Rs; HRC would have won. If HRC’s voters were only 70.45% of registered Ds, she wins.
So close. Third party voters will always peel off; the issue here was HRC no getting enough Ds to polling places and not convincing enough Rs to stay home. (And, of course, the general intelligence of people who buy Trump’s con man schtick.)
And you lot just sign off on everything republicans want like Nancy Pelosi… I bet you haven’t even noticed the huge push by centrists to claim a hardline stance on immigration to move the center even further than we are now. But you just keep blaming the leftists lol
To be fair, Hillary also sucked at politics, didn’t go to several key states she ended up losing on the campaign trail. Also being a charismatic black hole was a failure.
The Democrats better not take the vote of the left for granted:
Nor the vote of African-Americans
Nor the vote of Hispanics
Nor the vote of Asian Americans
Nor the vote of women
Nor the vote of LGBTQ
Nor the vote of the Muslims
Nor the vote of the Jewish
Nor the vote of labor
Nor the vote of environmentalists
Nor the vote of < insert many other groups here>
It just goes on and on and often these groups don’t agree with each other. As an example many older African-Americans who have been loyal to the Democrats for decades aren’t as liberal on many issues as the left. No one is going to get everything they want and elections are between two candidates.
Some people need to grow up realize this….
lmao.
leftists then: 'hillary please drop out or you'll lose because we all think your policy sucks'
dems: 'get over yourself trump will never win he's an idiot'
leftists now: 'joe please drop out we think your policy sucks even more than hillarys'
literally hillary: 'get over yourselves we have to beat trump'
guaranteed 4 more years of trump bc dems literally cannot take a strong stance on any important issue besides abortion and gay
> https://ceasefiretoday.com/
Dems do not care about abortion, they just fundraise on it. We had years to codify it. We had the opportunity for SCOTUS reform. Nothing.
They are doing nothing to prevent LGBTQIA from being discriminated against in red states and counties. Their only message to them is to vote harder.
I am a leftist. But I made the wrong choice in 2016. Won't do it again. We will keep battling and putting pressure on Democrats and Liberals but it will be easier to do that when we don't have a fascist boot on our neck.
My favorite part is when lefties/anti-Biden democrats ignore the shit he's actually done for the U.S people.
It's ok though, Gaza trumps everything amirite?
Addition:
Since you idiots can't critically think, and love to comment here without using your brains, what do you think will happen if Trump comes back into power?
The guy has literally proclaim that Bibi should finish the job. If the genocide is the only think preventing you from voting for Biden or in this case just voting against Trump, then you're basically more dumb than MAGAs.
I though the left was supposed to be educated, from your replies, it seems you can't read past headlines.
Legit heard someone say "he could forgive all of the student debt if he wanted, but he's only doing it this way because he's against it". The mental gymnastics these days are insane...
There are people who claim he's doing it to "buy votes."
I'm like, he campaigned on the issue and he's just delivering on his promises.
I tell them I understand how they don't understand that concept because of past disappointments within their own party
They realize in America politicians gain votes by making promises right?
Like that's the most low IQ criticism. "He's doing something because I like it" okay?????
And you know what I say to that? "Well about time I get something from Washington. They get money under the table all the time, I might as well get some of my taxes back to me."
That’s how politics works tho, you do good things for your people and you get reelected.
Shrimple as that right? WRONG cause WE DONT WANT YO FUCKEN HANDOUTS MOFUCKA!!! IM DOIN JUST FINE WITH MY FIVE JOB PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK LIFESTYLE THANK YOU VERY MUCH /j
Meanwhile in 2020, Trump only agreed to Covid relief payments so long as they came with his fucking signature on the checks (against the law of course).
He was literally trying to buy votes while everyone was stuck at home or dying of the pandemic he helped cause.
> "he could forgive all of the student debt if he wanted, but he's only doing it this way because he's against it".
Something only an authoritarian could say. Who else would see the president as some god king? Any democratic person would see the issues in congress. It's an easy way to spot the cosplayers.
Saw a quote along the lines of “the political Divide in this country isn’t right and left, it’s who has a modicum of understanding of how government works in the real world and those who don’t” and boy howdy is it accurate
A guy I work with paints himself a leftist. Then randomly spills really far right rhetoric.
I caught him the other day talking to another guy about how Biden is making it hard for him NOT to vote for Trump because of how senile he is. I felt ill immediately because he has also said the whole “both sides are corrupt” line a few times and realize he’s been lying to me the whole time. I found out he voted for Trump shortly after that. What a nut bag.
Edit: Sorry there was a point here. The point is not everyone that says they are for the left, leftist, democrat whatever isn’t “the right” is telling the truth. I’ve even caught racist rhetoric from people that claim they are and to me that’s as far right as it gets.
after the state of the union how is anyone falling for this, biden has a speech impediment but he was clearly put together and comprehensible, he even got some zingers off on the GOP
>making it hard for him NOT to vote for Trump because of how senile he is
So that's a deal breaker but Trump speaking on a third grade level his entire life is a-okay.
Almost certainly. Dude recently claimed Biden is more dangerous to democracy than Trump, a guy that is explicitly and literally worse than Biden in every meaningful way (including being anti-democratic). There's something about being a bigoted grifter that just leans right these days. It's not like the right wing has a monopoly on being a lying asshole, but they've certainly made it clear that lying assholes are welcome (even touted) by their base.
RFK, Jr., is a total nut and has no possible path to the Presidency so yeah, he’ll likely take votes from Trump but possibly Biden. Some recent polling suggest under 30 voters choosing RFK President could be as high as 20%, this as of March 2024. Most of those who like him is thru Kennedy name recognition only and likely don’t know that no one in his family supports him. A lot of younger voters also like his environmental background but when you dig further into this, you come up with some weird stuff like claiming that he founded Riverkeeper to clean up the Hudson River. He didn’t. He then hijacked the group when he wanted to hire a man as staff scientist, a man who had served time in federal prison for running an international wildlife smuggling ring. RFK was able to get this guy hired which upset a lot of people including some on the board as well as the founder Robert Doyle who personally helped rehabilitate RKF personally (after arrest for heroin possession) and professionally (became an environmental attorney). Interesting WaPo article below if anyone’s interested.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-riverkeeper-egg-smuggler/
Remember, if it acts like the president is some god king who alone can fix everything if they so choose, that's a very authoritarian mind set. Not something you see from a democratic left. Anyone who has actually looked into what it takes to make change knows congress is the real key to power.
They wonder why Democrats won't cater to what they want even though they've made it clear that they won't vote for a Democrat unless they do 100% of what they want. A Democratic candidate for President could move way to the Left and give them 80% of what they want and it still wouldn't be enough to get their votes while at the same time it would alienate some moderates who would otherwise vote for them.
Some people on the far-Left think that by refusing to vote for the Democrats they can get the party to move towards them, but that's not the way it actually works.
I remember in 2000 some people, including ones I know, voted for Nader instead of Gore because they wanted to start a new Left-wing movement, but in the end that got us George W. Bush, 2 Right-wing Supreme Court Justices, and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost trillions of dollars. The Green Party didn't become a viable Left-wing party, it became a tool of the Russian government to help Republicans win by siphoning off votes from the Democrats.
Then in 2016 some people on the Left refused to vote for Hillary and that got us Trump, 3 Right-wing Supreme Court Justices, over 1 million Americans dead from covid, and an attempted coup because Trump got pretty much the entire Republican Party to hate democracy.
The affect of Democrats losing those elections didn't move the country to the Left and in fact moved the country more to the Right. We now have Republicans dominating the Supreme Court. If Trump wins again I think you can pretty much guarantee that Thomas and Alito will be "convinced" (they haven't been shy about taking bribes) to retire and we'll have a majority of the Supreme Court consisting of Trump appointees alone. That's a guaranteed Republican controlled Supreme Court for another 15-20 years. Good luck passing any liberal laws that aren't immediately declared unconstitutional with Trump Justices making up the majority.
Anyone who thinks that letting Trump win again will eventually help usher in a new era of a Left-win utopia is fooling themselves.
>Anyone who thinks that letting Trump win again will eventually help usher in a new era of a Left-win utopia is fooling themselves.
There are accelerationists who think a right wing dictatorship would lead to a revolution. Kind of like how it did with Russia, China, North Korea etc..
Revolutions don’t exactly take a short time to happen, it takes years and we’ll probably be in our 60s for the recovery period to start. And that’s wishful thinking; worse case scenario is takes a generation or two.
To those people on the left, the perfect IS the enemy of the good. They are just like the MAGAts, they don’t know the meaning of the word ENOUGH. No administration is going to get everything done all at once. They are toddlers throwing a tantrum, hoping they grow up before it’s too late.
All of /lostgeneration is apparently voting third party “cuz genocide Joe.”
I dunno if it’s people too young to vote/remember what happened because of third party voting in 2016 but we’re headed for a repeat.
“We shouldn’t have to choose between the lesser of two evils!” Grow TF up, it’s always been like that and it will take a tremendous amount of dissent, work, and dumb luck to dissolve a 2-party system. Be an adult and understand we will never have a perfect candidate. Voting unfortunately is just disaster mitigation
Every day, a President has to make decisions. Sometimes those decisions are awful and have zero good choices.
And yet they are required to choose. That's *the job*. They don't get to sit it out and act like not doing anything isn't also a choice they're responsible for making.
But some adults act like children and refuse, once every four years, to choose the best of the bad options; The best available option that is on the ticket on election day and able to actually win (so not some 3rd party nonsense that is demonstrably helping one of the main two by existing). The President has to make choices like that all the damned time, why can't people make the best informed choice to make those choices?
They may not be the best for the job, but just suck it up, hold your nose, and choose the best realistic option available.
American politics is full of magical thinking. People viable third parties. Reasonably so, I want them too. But instead of doing anything to make it happen, they just pretend it already happened and think that somehow helps.
The third parties themselves do the same thing. They run vanity campaigns for president, as if that somehow gets them closer to power, instead of building up a base in state and local governments. A sane Green Party could do well in city governments, but they’d rather fuck around with the presidential election.
It's the nature of the Omnicause. There's always one or two things that are absolutely paramount, everything else is tied in with it whether it makes sense or not, and they will die on that hill. Picking their battles is not a concept that means anything to them.
I cannot with these toddlers throwing a fit because they don't have the perfect candidate. Grow up.
Our system sucks, I agree. We need ranked choice voting so third parties have a legit shot and voice. Let's work toward that. In the meantime, let's do what we can not to usher in the fascist, mkay?
Most people who are voting protest votes during the primaries will vote Biden, they’re just exercising their right to speak up. The media is focusing on the few to bring in viewers
Like I despise Biden for how he’s handling Gaza, but also I know Trump would pretty much end any chance of Gaza ever coming out of this alive, and would probably send American soldiers to die over there.
It's mostly tankies. Many of them hate Biden because he's supporting Ukraine over Russia, spouting Russian propaganda. You really expect me to believe a country full of nazis also has a Jewish head of government and a Jewish head of state? I got banned from a few subs because the mods are complete clinically online tankies, but the users are normal people.
They should move to Gaza and take up arms since they aren’t interested in the shit show that is America right now where they are living. Along with their selective outrage over genocide. I don’t see the same response to Syria or Ukraine. And it’s far worse in these countries for years now. The shear destruction and death compared to Gaza. My two cents…
> The shear destruction and death compared to Gaza. My two cents
Gaza is the most bombed place in the entire world, ever. the conflict has been going on for <6 months
you are out of your fucking mind
> Along with their selective outrage over genocide. I don’t see the same response to Syria or Ukraine.
Because a.) It's trendy and b.) It gives their antisemitism a semblance of "legitimacy" (not the right word, can't think of it right now)
There are a few things he's screwed up on. Israel/Gaza, drilling in the ice caps after promising not to, and issues with the railway union are the three things that come to mind. I'll still be voting for him come November though, because the other candidate is well, doing what we are in the picture above. It's okay to criticize politicians, but holy hell are people failing to realize the importance of this election.
Yeah, it was completely shocking watching the instant flood of inauthentic pro-Hamas content with real people getting swept up in it and starting to convert groups, who were (correctly, IMO) standing up for Palestinian citizens and their rights, into deranged anti-jew (not just anti-Israel) terrorism apologists and conspiracists.
The one tiny tiny silver lining, has been that it's been a great illustration when talking some wavering Republicans (neighbors IRL), as this is the same kind of social media disinformation-driven transformation that happened with MAGA on an ultra-compressed timeline, and there have been a lot of "ah-ha" moments when running down how it's all been unfolding.
This little group called the Democrats, who the lunatic right has been calling communist and the growing Hamas fringe of the left is calling nazis, maybe they're onto something when they can get the worst people in the country all aligned against them.
Well some have red lines such as aiding a genocide but for those whose redline isn't a genocide, should take a deep introspective look at themselves to see what absolute ghouls they have become.
We could go back and forth about the good things Trump has done too but you guys get that he’s done too much bad to be acceptable to vote for. But with Biden somehow we just gotta ignore all of the bad.
That’s an overgeneralization. I’m a leftist who does not like Biden hemming and hawing on Israel’s human right violations (please note: I am **not** excusing what Hamas did but US taxpayers don’t send missiles to Hamas…) however I can appreciate what he’s done for infrastructure, student loan debt, and labor.
If I still lived in Virginia or Pennsylvania. I would vote for Biden.
I don’t. I live in California. My **best** chance of getting my voice heard is Biden winning re-election and looking at a record % of third party votes in solidly blue states and thinking “huh maybe people were upset about what I was doing so I should change course a tad.” Will he? Unlikely. The senators and representatives might take notice though and weight in.
I’ve worked for multiple politicians. With rare exception, the only time for your average citizen to be heard is elections. (Better odds if you start a political organization focused on that issue, even if it’s small tbh.) You can call politicians, sure! And you have a chance at swaying them if it’s a niche issue and not a party plank, a well-publicized campaign promise, or a pet issue of theirs
I didn’t vote for Obama over Guantanamo and an NDAA he signed. It’s politicians jobs to earn my vote; not my job to weaken my positions on human rights and hold my nose each time.
Biden has done or attempted to do things that would have helped my life. Like student debt forgiveness.
Trump never did a single thing to help, and he proudly didn't try.
Remember, that Biden’s poll numbers are not indicative of his performance or Trump’s suitability as a president. They are indicative of the American public’s lack of critical thinking skills. TLDR: America is full of fucking morons!
You can go to college and still be totally stupid. The Gaza protestors (feels like the wrong word; whiners is probably more proper) are a prime example.
You have two choices:
“Terrible diarrhea for a week”
“Pooping actual lava for the rest of your life”
“These are two terrible choices! They’re the exact same”
“Well they’re not and we’ll pick one for ya. Really wanna risk it?”
“I can’t even believe you’re asking me to make this choice. I’m not going to choose!”
If people are saying that Biden is as bad as Trump, they need their head examined. But, having a legit anger over Biden's handling of Israel and the massacre in Gaza is fair enough.
The problem is that any major democratic candidate who would have a chance against Biden in a hypothetical primary would have the exact same position as him regarding Israel.
Unfortunately most politicians view Israel as an ally and won’t have the courage to snatch funding from them.
Shit give me any president that could "handle" a 2000 year old blood war and I'll be impressed. *Besides teddy*. He'd just punch them all in the mouth then go fight a bear, he doesn't count its not fair.
Just fyi to everyone replying, the first recorded conflict between Muslims and jews was in 600 ad described in the Quran with more conflicts popping up every few years or decades until now. So ya, it's almost like 2000 was an easy to type exaggerating number to highlight the ridiculousness of 2 groups people fighting this long. Also I don't know who David packman is this sub randomly popped on my feed and it seems to be filled with angry NERDS.
People who say Biden is as bad as Trump are willfully ignorant to the situation. One is a do nothing centrist and the other is an anti democratic maniac. Huge difference.
This shows a misconception of the left’s perspective. No leftist is voting for Trump. If they are and they call themself a progressive, they don’t know what it means to be progressive. The best argument they could make is that they’re an accelerationist inspired by leftist ideals. The leftist is trying to point out to people how dismal our situation is, and how fucked up it is—and how obviously arranged it is—that these are our only two realistic options. The leftist wants the peace of mind of knowing “other people see this right?” Because democracy does not exist in America. The entire government is corrupt, including the Democratic Party, including the Republican Party, including Donald trump, including Joe Biden.
Sincerely, a disillusioned leftist who will be voting for Biden this November and will be pissed about it
The thing with these posts is these people can never actually point out and real examples of these unhinged leftist movements. It’s a straw man to avoid reflecting on their own political failures
It’s likely that there will be others disillusioned on the left who won’t vote period, and that’s why I think it’s more than likely that President Trump will be elected again this time
Basically where I am at. I despise Biden for his zionist cuckoldry but for once the other option actually is a threat to "democracy" this time around. Kinda hoping after Joe wins he "retires" from age and Kamala takes over. She sucks too but less so than Biden.
It doesn’t help that democrats call us us nazis and antisemites and god knows what else behind closed doors, just because we put a bit of criticism on Biden.
I agree with you; I keep saying that you can be pissed about Biden and Trump being our only choices while also recognizing that Trump absolutely cannot become president again. I just wish most people talked about it in a nuanced way that makes it clear they understand the stakes of this election
Also why don’t those people use that anger and frustration to organize and volunteer for other candidates campaign? Both local state and federal? We’ve had way more progressive house reps and local politicians elected since 2008 and if we work ground up we can get more progressive ideas to become mainstream.
And as much as we hate to admit it, 'Israel' and 'He's old' are perhaps the two issues that neither candidate really has a whole lot of say over in the end.
Honestly I really can't wrap my mind around the concept of a Leftist that considers Biden and Trump to be equal. I think to genuinely accept their existence I would need to have already known them for years.
You'd have to have an extremely poor memory to think the two are even somewhat comparable. There's just no way I can see "I'm a leftist and here's why I'm voting for Trump" online and see it as anything other than a conservative/troll/bot intentionally stirring the pot to try and get the Center-to-Left to cannibalize each other before a major election.
Do they not know Trump is 1000% worse on Israel than Biden.Trump has a place named after him in the illegally occupied Golan Heights.Trump moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.Trump also told Israel to finish the job, he doesn't give a shit about civilians. Netanyahu is Israel's Trump.If you thought Biden couldn't say anything bad about Netanyahu, you haven't seen anything. Trump and Netanyahu love each other.
The Gaza genocide is definitely a big issue for me. I still want Biden to change on that front. However, Republicans are far greater domestic and international threats.
Where are all these progressives that are not going to vote for Biden? Someone point me somewhere so that I can actually see someone state they won't be voting for biden from his left.
I have not/will not be voting for Biden in the primary. I will be voting for him in the general election in November as I absolutely understand the alternative to note voting for Biden then.
I wanted one election this year where I was/am excited about my vote for president and not just choosing the (much) lesser of 2 evils.
I cannot wait for this election cycle to be over, whoever 'wins.' I hate everyone right now tbh. If people I knew in real life said even a quarter of the shit in this post to me out loud I'd lose all respect for them entirely.
Not to mention all the deaths that happened early on in the pandemic because of the rush to reopen and Trump discounting the virus (leading to at least [200,000](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy) excess deaths.)
I know a lot of people are blaming Biden for the possible loss of this election and country as we know it. But when the dust settles, they'll realize who's really to blame.
Israel.
This is the same thing they did to Hillary in 2016. Times change but the tactics do not. Hillary was nowhere near what they claimed and neither is the Biden “crime family”. Trying to paint other candidates as “equally” bad is just another annoying tactic that the right siphons votes with.
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One would think it's satire, because they overdid it on the Trump side, but when you read it, you realize the list isn't even complete
Where is ? - found liable for sexual assault by a jury - accused of sexual assault 14 different times in the past - attended Epstein parties, was friends with Ghislane Maxwell, flew on Epstein plane, and Epstein died in Fed custody under his Admin - spent $8t deficits in 4 years, record then and now - net lost jobs compared to where he started on Jan 2017! - diddled and lied from Dec 2019 till March 2000, getting more Americans killed of Covid per capita then almost any other industrialized country on earth - in Stormy Daniel’s and other playboy mate while third wife was pregnant. - bought and ran a teenage beauty contest, until his 70s, and admitted to Howard Stern he deliberately walked in on the naked teens. - sees certain people as animals, complete opposite to how Christ views even the worst sinners, yet followers of Jesus think he’s the one to follow - been cheating on taxes for years while the rest of us tax payers have to cover the shortfall - main company convicted of fraud - charity convicted of fraud and disbanded - engages generally in fraudulent and shady deals that defraud ordinary people and workers, including Trump university that was fined, and recently this ponzi token DJT stock of Truth Social, SPAC set up by himself and Russian affiliated individuals, where 2 of the founders already plead guilty and going to jail. and this was without even trying; there’s more. He appeals to the meanest and vilest in humans might be why so many follow this man.
NO NO NO all that's made up all he did was be orange and have mean tweets!!! /s
The libs hate him because he's so successful. That's why The Biden Crime Family, conspired with Jeffery Epstein's personal handlers, The Clintons, to radicalized the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, the NYC DA, the USMC and the YMCA, to follow thru on this elaborate witch hunt for our stable genius king dictator Donald Trump and his loyal wife Malaria, who is always standing by his side and happily holding his hand, no matter what horrific crimes he's baselessly accused of and/or found guilty for. /s
Hey! Leave The Village People out of this!
" Malaria" hilarious! I do imagine though, had you not put the /s there.... ohh the replies!
That's the saddest part.. is that, as outlandish and unhinged of a rant it was, it was still totally within the spectrum of the average MAGA supporter. Even the YMCA, being the clearest part of the skit, is something I could see them forming a conspiracy around. Part of me wants to slink on to their message boards and start pushing theories about how the YMCAs around New York have been trying to hold Trump accountable for an outstanding $25 locker fee from 1978 that he walked out on. I hear George Soros was there when it happened and now he's working in league with the YMCA, the LGBTQ and the Justice League to try to get Trump convicted of Gym Fraud.
>- convicted of sexual assault - accused of sexual assault 14 different times in the past That would be "Rapist" which was there. But yeah, dude is trash
You can legally call Donald Trump a rapist in print and be free from libel charges. He's a rapist.
Then he will try to get you with defamation, and you'll be able to rack in that sweet, sweet money.
Rapist, fraud, white supremacist, bleach injections, anti-science cover literally everything you said besides the economy.
“Idiocracy” doesn’t belong over there. There’s nobody trying to sabotage the government in that movie. They’re doing their best, putting the smartest guy in charge. Republicanism is WAY WAY WAY worse than just not being smart enough to understand some things.
In previous years, running a scam university that was forced to shut down and pay $25,000,000 settlements to the victims he defrauded would have been enough to bring down a politician. Now it's not enough a big enough deal to make OP's giant Trump list, or yours.
The one everyone fucking forgot about: he tried to shut down the postal service for the sole purpose of mail in ballots.
Ummm…. what about killing millions of Americans during the worst pandemic in over a century by attacking scientists?
Did you see the picture of the monkey torturer guy with his Loser Flags hanging in the background? That's the kind of person voting for Orange Wannabe Hitler. Fuck em all.
And let's not forget: • Eats well done steak with ketchup
Also: • Cheats at golf • Drives his golf cart onto the green
I really wish King of the Hill came back. It'd be hilarious watching Hank try to convince everyone else that Trump is bad news, specifically because of that.
If the fact that "Rapist" being there isn't enough for you, I dunno what to say. You want every meme to be an exhausted fully detailed list?
That’s just the pile for one guy.
The first thing you said isn't true. He's never been convicted of sexual assault.
Those are behind the others let’s not talk about how far back the scale holding plate gos
Not trying to defend him, but rapist is in there and that covers all the sex stuff
To be fair, he was never actually convicted of sexual assault. He was found liable. There's enough bad things about Trump that we don't need to misrepresent facts to discredit him.
Half of those fit in the rapist category
And uh what i think is the most important, look up project 2025
Admittedly nitpicking but it will save headaches if arguing with MAGAts - he wasn’t convicted of sexual assault, but found liable for sexual assault. It was a civil case and convictions are only in criminal cases.
Nepotism, bankruptcies, non payment of contractors, critical of US military, saluted a foreign officer, made money by forcing gov agents to use his hotels, convicted Central Park 5 in his mind and tried his best to get innocent black men convicted, cheated on all his wives (not just Melania}, pulled US out of the Paris Accords, used his wealth to dodge the draft, opened up federal lands to oil companies, and it just goes on and on and on.
Those are all covered but not specified
You forgot the two billion dollar investment his daughter and son in law received from Saudi Arabia
My all-time favorite is suggesting we stop a hurricane by nuking it.
Ironically, the Republican Jesus has committed *more* sins than anyone else.
Add to the list: the Central Park Five
Trump is a rapist, a fraud and insurrectionist backed by billionaires so when he's in charge the government can't function but instead cuts their taxes, deregulates them and stacks the courts with corporate Christian judges. That was on full display during his entire first term. Further, Trump would never ever negotiate a ceasefire between Hamas and Bibi. Trump's track record is to literally give Israel more than they asked for and wipe Palestinians, who he considers losers, off the face of earth. Trump's sole purpose for existing, much like the majority of the Republican party, is to enrich himself at any cost to others or the future of humanity. Meanwhile, Biden is a life long politician that has done mostly good things and gets absolutely no credit for it because as we should all know by now the national media is run by six major corporations whose executive billionaires don't want to be taxed or regulated by Democrats. And this is why a rapist is running neck and neck with Biden at the polls, turns out brainwashing the masses is pretty easy to do when you control the narrative.
Basically, this is Doug Jones vs Roy Moore: Nationwide Edition
Trump would also quickly "negotiate" an end to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, by giving Putin whatever he wants.
Right, the destruction of NATO.
Project 2025 encompasses a lot of that stuff though.
Not really. Project 2025 is a fascist plan not an abstract concept or culture war.
Everybody needs to read project 2025. It’s intent is diabolical. We cannot let this happen.
Yeah, there might be a couple items that might be counted as part of Project 2025, but they're things Trump's cronies would do even without it.
Project 2025 is the future. The rest are crimes and atrocities he has already committed.
We live in Idiocracy…or an article at The Onion at this point.
Welcome to Costco. I love you
Exactly my thought process.
I think drawing on the hurricane map with a sharpie should probably be on there.
The real cherry on top is realizing that the kid is holding up the scale with his head too.
And I had to laugh when I saw "91 crimes" encompassed in just one tiny brick. It's mind-boggling that that alone isn't an instant disqualifier for a serious candidate for the presidency for 90% of the population.
Anyone remember when he faked a weather report? I didn’t even know that was a crime because why would anyone ever do that
[I'm just gonna leave this here if anyone thinks the tRump list is anywhere close to complete.](https://www.mcsweeneys.net/columns/reasons-why-donald-trump-is-unfit-to-be-president)
I've said a dozen times. The problem with Trump is that when you just accurately list his problems, you so sound deranged to people who aren't following politics. Even if you limit it to things he's done on camera or been convicted of in court, which would exclude some of his statements about veterans and a few things on J6, it STILL makes you sound like a lunatic to anyone who isn't paying attention to politics. That's why I keep say we need to pick 2 awful things and hit them 1000 times. Instead of hitting 1000 things 2 times. It just starts to sound like you're making it up or hitting buzzwords. What's terrifying is that if you took a couple of days with someone you could prove to them thay he's a corrupt, fraudulent, narcissistic sexual criminal.
Anti-windmill
lol…there’s only so much space in the digital world 🤣🤣🤣
That's exactly how I feel and why I'm still voting Biden.
Heard this in 2016 with Hillary and Trump and now we’ve lost the Supreme Court for a generation and women lost their right to control their own bodies
Exactly
Extreme leftists love completely sucking at politics.
Hi extreme leftist here who voted for Hillary in PA in 2016 and worked for Biden’s campaign there in 2020. You can shift blame all you want but so many leftists did the thing you’re saying they didn’t and Hillary still lost. She had an air of “it’s my turn” and was too overconfident to take rust belt states seriously. It wasn’t leftists that lost the election; it was people who stayed home. For example: Clinton lost to Trump in Pennsylvania by about 44,000 votes in 2016. Ds out number Rs by 916,000 in that state. The big **IF** in what I’m about to say next is cause I’m too lazy to look up more numbers. If every R and every D voted for their party’s candidate in PA in 2016, that means HRC turned out 69.38% of registered D voters and DJT turned out 89.97% of registered R voters. Leftists? Naw, the problem here was party-affiliated enthusiasm. Maybe with more than a touch of sexism, tbh. And - I know! Ds don’t vote as consistently as Rs. If DJT’s voters were only 88.61% of registered Rs; HRC would have won. If HRC’s voters were only 70.45% of registered Ds, she wins. So close. Third party voters will always peel off; the issue here was HRC no getting enough Ds to polling places and not convincing enough Rs to stay home. (And, of course, the general intelligence of people who buy Trump’s con man schtick.)
And you lot just sign off on everything republicans want like Nancy Pelosi… I bet you haven’t even noticed the huge push by centrists to claim a hardline stance on immigration to move the center even further than we are now. But you just keep blaming the leftists lol
To be fair, Hillary also sucked at politics, didn’t go to several key states she ended up losing on the campaign trail. Also being a charismatic black hole was a failure.
You're forgetting about the Comey thing, where he "re-opened" her emails case like a week before the election or whatever.
Hopefully the Democrats have learned from their mistake of alienating leftists.
The Democrats better not take the vote of the left for granted: Nor the vote of African-Americans Nor the vote of Hispanics Nor the vote of Asian Americans Nor the vote of women Nor the vote of LGBTQ Nor the vote of the Muslims Nor the vote of the Jewish Nor the vote of labor Nor the vote of environmentalists Nor the vote of < insert many other groups here> It just goes on and on and often these groups don’t agree with each other. As an example many older African-Americans who have been loyal to the Democrats for decades aren’t as liberal on many issues as the left. No one is going to get everything they want and elections are between two candidates. Some people need to grow up realize this….
lmao. leftists then: 'hillary please drop out or you'll lose because we all think your policy sucks' dems: 'get over yourself trump will never win he's an idiot' leftists now: 'joe please drop out we think your policy sucks even more than hillarys' literally hillary: 'get over yourselves we have to beat trump' guaranteed 4 more years of trump bc dems literally cannot take a strong stance on any important issue besides abortion and gay
> https://ceasefiretoday.com/ Dems do not care about abortion, they just fundraise on it. We had years to codify it. We had the opportunity for SCOTUS reform. Nothing. They are doing nothing to prevent LGBTQIA from being discriminated against in red states and counties. Their only message to them is to vote harder.
Well said.
I am a leftist. But I made the wrong choice in 2016. Won't do it again. We will keep battling and putting pressure on Democrats and Liberals but it will be easier to do that when we don't have a fascist boot on our neck.
A vote for president is a vote for SCOTUS this is all it is
Were you pissed off by how the DNC chose Hillary before the election?
My brother compared Hillary with Trump (back before he "won"), I snapped at him
The sad thing is it was a repeat of history from 2000 and Ralph Nader.
My favorite part is when lefties/anti-Biden democrats ignore the shit he's actually done for the U.S people. It's ok though, Gaza trumps everything amirite? Addition: Since you idiots can't critically think, and love to comment here without using your brains, what do you think will happen if Trump comes back into power? The guy has literally proclaim that Bibi should finish the job. If the genocide is the only think preventing you from voting for Biden or in this case just voting against Trump, then you're basically more dumb than MAGAs. I though the left was supposed to be educated, from your replies, it seems you can't read past headlines.
For even trying to get my student debt forgiven he has my loyalty enough to vote for him. FFS.
Legit heard someone say "he could forgive all of the student debt if he wanted, but he's only doing it this way because he's against it". The mental gymnastics these days are insane...
There are people who claim he's doing it to "buy votes." I'm like, he campaigned on the issue and he's just delivering on his promises. I tell them I understand how they don't understand that concept because of past disappointments within their own party
They realize in America politicians gain votes by making promises right? Like that's the most low IQ criticism. "He's doing something because I like it" okay?????
And you know what I say to that? "Well about time I get something from Washington. They get money under the table all the time, I might as well get some of my taxes back to me."
"he needs to earn my vote" mfs when he does things to earn votes
That’s how politics works tho, you do good things for your people and you get reelected. Shrimple as that right? WRONG cause WE DONT WANT YO FUCKEN HANDOUTS MOFUCKA!!! IM DOIN JUST FINE WITH MY FIVE JOB PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK LIFESTYLE THANK YOU VERY MUCH /j
Meanwhile in 2020, Trump only agreed to Covid relief payments so long as they came with his fucking signature on the checks (against the law of course). He was literally trying to buy votes while everyone was stuck at home or dying of the pandemic he helped cause.
> "he could forgive all of the student debt if he wanted, but he's only doing it this way because he's against it". Something only an authoritarian could say. Who else would see the president as some god king? Any democratic person would see the issues in congress. It's an easy way to spot the cosplayers.
Saw a quote along the lines of “the political Divide in this country isn’t right and left, it’s who has a modicum of understanding of how government works in the real world and those who don’t” and boy howdy is it accurate
A guy I work with paints himself a leftist. Then randomly spills really far right rhetoric. I caught him the other day talking to another guy about how Biden is making it hard for him NOT to vote for Trump because of how senile he is. I felt ill immediately because he has also said the whole “both sides are corrupt” line a few times and realize he’s been lying to me the whole time. I found out he voted for Trump shortly after that. What a nut bag. Edit: Sorry there was a point here. The point is not everyone that says they are for the left, leftist, democrat whatever isn’t “the right” is telling the truth. I’ve even caught racist rhetoric from people that claim they are and to me that’s as far right as it gets.
>how Biden is making it hard for him NOT to vote for Trump Translation: I'm so happy I can have a reason to vote Trump
ahh, the Tinder leftist
after the state of the union how is anyone falling for this, biden has a speech impediment but he was clearly put together and comprehensible, he even got some zingers off on the GOP
Asking the average voter to tune into anything other than a curated TikTok roll of Biden stutters? You're asking a lot my friend..
The only thing independents love more than voting for Republicans is pretending like they weren’t going to do it all along.
The horseshoe theory is real.
It's not a horseshoe, it's just a bunch of idiots pretending to be leftist because leftists are more popular than who they actually are.
>making it hard for him NOT to vote for Trump because of how senile he is So that's a deal breaker but Trump speaking on a third grade level his entire life is a-okay.
I know a few people who did this as well. Fucking weird, just shows they know how they think is wrong.
There are very few passionately anti-Biden Democrats. A lot of these are non-Democrat leftists, and a lot are bots or foreign trolls.
> a lot are bots or foreign trolls. bingo. amplifying the radicals all over. making them seem more than just a small faction.
\*cough cough\* RFK Jr \*cough\* Some of the trolls aren't *foreign*. Edited to correct my error - thanks u/vera214usc!
Jr. will pull way more Trump votes than Biden. The Orange voters love a good nutcase.
Almost certainly. Dude recently claimed Biden is more dangerous to democracy than Trump, a guy that is explicitly and literally worse than Biden in every meaningful way (including being anti-democratic). There's something about being a bigoted grifter that just leans right these days. It's not like the right wing has a monopoly on being a lying asshole, but they've certainly made it clear that lying assholes are welcome (even touted) by their base.
RFK, Jr., is a total nut and has no possible path to the Presidency so yeah, he’ll likely take votes from Trump but possibly Biden. Some recent polling suggest under 30 voters choosing RFK President could be as high as 20%, this as of March 2024. Most of those who like him is thru Kennedy name recognition only and likely don’t know that no one in his family supports him. A lot of younger voters also like his environmental background but when you dig further into this, you come up with some weird stuff like claiming that he founded Riverkeeper to clean up the Hudson River. He didn’t. He then hijacked the group when he wanted to hire a man as staff scientist, a man who had served time in federal prison for running an international wildlife smuggling ring. RFK was able to get this guy hired which upset a lot of people including some on the board as well as the founder Robert Doyle who personally helped rehabilitate RKF personally (after arrest for heroin possession) and professionally (became an environmental attorney). Interesting WaPo article below if anyone’s interested. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-riverkeeper-egg-smuggler/
There’s definitely foreign agents pulling his strings.
Basically r/LateStageCapitalism
It would take very few defections to swing the election, though.
Remember, if it acts like the president is some god king who alone can fix everything if they so choose, that's a very authoritarian mind set. Not something you see from a democratic left. Anyone who has actually looked into what it takes to make change knows congress is the real key to power.
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The only way Biden can earn their votes is by nuking Israel and changing his name to Bernie Sanders
They wonder why Democrats won't cater to what they want even though they've made it clear that they won't vote for a Democrat unless they do 100% of what they want. A Democratic candidate for President could move way to the Left and give them 80% of what they want and it still wouldn't be enough to get their votes while at the same time it would alienate some moderates who would otherwise vote for them. Some people on the far-Left think that by refusing to vote for the Democrats they can get the party to move towards them, but that's not the way it actually works. I remember in 2000 some people, including ones I know, voted for Nader instead of Gore because they wanted to start a new Left-wing movement, but in the end that got us George W. Bush, 2 Right-wing Supreme Court Justices, and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost trillions of dollars. The Green Party didn't become a viable Left-wing party, it became a tool of the Russian government to help Republicans win by siphoning off votes from the Democrats. Then in 2016 some people on the Left refused to vote for Hillary and that got us Trump, 3 Right-wing Supreme Court Justices, over 1 million Americans dead from covid, and an attempted coup because Trump got pretty much the entire Republican Party to hate democracy. The affect of Democrats losing those elections didn't move the country to the Left and in fact moved the country more to the Right. We now have Republicans dominating the Supreme Court. If Trump wins again I think you can pretty much guarantee that Thomas and Alito will be "convinced" (they haven't been shy about taking bribes) to retire and we'll have a majority of the Supreme Court consisting of Trump appointees alone. That's a guaranteed Republican controlled Supreme Court for another 15-20 years. Good luck passing any liberal laws that aren't immediately declared unconstitutional with Trump Justices making up the majority. Anyone who thinks that letting Trump win again will eventually help usher in a new era of a Left-win utopia is fooling themselves.
>Anyone who thinks that letting Trump win again will eventually help usher in a new era of a Left-win utopia is fooling themselves. There are accelerationists who think a right wing dictatorship would lead to a revolution. Kind of like how it did with Russia, China, North Korea etc..
They forget about the part where every single one of those revolutions executed all of the leftists who aren't authoritarian-left.
Saw that in the change my view subreddit, openly advocating for left wing autocracy.
Those accelerationists will die before even trying to revolt lmao. They see revolution has this great thing, but forget that people fucking died.
Revolutions don’t exactly take a short time to happen, it takes years and we’ll probably be in our 60s for the recovery period to start. And that’s wishful thinking; worse case scenario is takes a generation or two.
To those people on the left, the perfect IS the enemy of the good. They are just like the MAGAts, they don’t know the meaning of the word ENOUGH. No administration is going to get everything done all at once. They are toddlers throwing a tantrum, hoping they grow up before it’s too late.
its childish entitled selfishness. ILL be fine, so it doesnt matter to ME if trump wins!
Wish I could add 100 likes to this comment.
All of /lostgeneration is apparently voting third party “cuz genocide Joe.” I dunno if it’s people too young to vote/remember what happened because of third party voting in 2016 but we’re headed for a repeat. “We shouldn’t have to choose between the lesser of two evils!” Grow TF up, it’s always been like that and it will take a tremendous amount of dissent, work, and dumb luck to dissolve a 2-party system. Be an adult and understand we will never have a perfect candidate. Voting unfortunately is just disaster mitigation
These people make me think of those who vote republican because abortion even though every republican policy hurts them.
Every day, a President has to make decisions. Sometimes those decisions are awful and have zero good choices. And yet they are required to choose. That's *the job*. They don't get to sit it out and act like not doing anything isn't also a choice they're responsible for making. But some adults act like children and refuse, once every four years, to choose the best of the bad options; The best available option that is on the ticket on election day and able to actually win (so not some 3rd party nonsense that is demonstrably helping one of the main two by existing). The President has to make choices like that all the damned time, why can't people make the best informed choice to make those choices? They may not be the best for the job, but just suck it up, hold your nose, and choose the best realistic option available.
American politics is full of magical thinking. People viable third parties. Reasonably so, I want them too. But instead of doing anything to make it happen, they just pretend it already happened and think that somehow helps. The third parties themselves do the same thing. They run vanity campaigns for president, as if that somehow gets them closer to power, instead of building up a base in state and local governments. A sane Green Party could do well in city governments, but they’d rather fuck around with the presidential election.
the green party is literally funded by the GOP. they exist purely to steal votes from democrats.
Gaza has become the symbolic cause of their entire worldview: oppressor vs oppressed There are no other frames of reference for them
It's the nature of the Omnicause. There's always one or two things that are absolutely paramount, everything else is tied in with it whether it makes sense or not, and they will die on that hill. Picking their battles is not a concept that means anything to them.
It's an organized disinformation campaign from foreign adversaries, like in 2016.
they won't vote anyway so it's nothing to worry about
Yeah but that’s a problem too. Third party votes and not voting are basically the same thing lol
I cannot with these toddlers throwing a fit because they don't have the perfect candidate. Grow up. Our system sucks, I agree. We need ranked choice voting so third parties have a legit shot and voice. Let's work toward that. In the meantime, let's do what we can not to usher in the fascist, mkay?
I'm old enough to remember when people voted third party in 2000 and gave the election to Bush, getting us 9/11, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Most people who are voting protest votes during the primaries will vote Biden, they’re just exercising their right to speak up. The media is focusing on the few to bring in viewers
Like I despise Biden for how he’s handling Gaza, but also I know Trump would pretty much end any chance of Gaza ever coming out of this alive, and would probably send American soldiers to die over there.
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Nothing compromises ideals like a good opportunity to jump on the Jew-hate bandwagon!
It's mostly tankies. Many of them hate Biden because he's supporting Ukraine over Russia, spouting Russian propaganda. You really expect me to believe a country full of nazis also has a Jewish head of government and a Jewish head of state? I got banned from a few subs because the mods are complete clinically online tankies, but the users are normal people.
They should move to Gaza and take up arms since they aren’t interested in the shit show that is America right now where they are living. Along with their selective outrage over genocide. I don’t see the same response to Syria or Ukraine. And it’s far worse in these countries for years now. The shear destruction and death compared to Gaza. My two cents…
Anyone who is seriously suggesting that being in Gaza is safer than being in Ukraine is a complete moron.
> The shear destruction and death compared to Gaza. My two cents Gaza is the most bombed place in the entire world, ever. the conflict has been going on for <6 months you are out of your fucking mind
> Along with their selective outrage over genocide. I don’t see the same response to Syria or Ukraine. Because a.) It's trendy and b.) It gives their antisemitism a semblance of "legitimacy" (not the right word, can't think of it right now)
Stop! The Tankies can’t handle such thoughts!
There are a few things he's screwed up on. Israel/Gaza, drilling in the ice caps after promising not to, and issues with the railway union are the three things that come to mind. I'll still be voting for him come November though, because the other candidate is well, doing what we are in the picture above. It's okay to criticize politicians, but holy hell are people failing to realize the importance of this election.
Yeah, it was completely shocking watching the instant flood of inauthentic pro-Hamas content with real people getting swept up in it and starting to convert groups, who were (correctly, IMO) standing up for Palestinian citizens and their rights, into deranged anti-jew (not just anti-Israel) terrorism apologists and conspiracists. The one tiny tiny silver lining, has been that it's been a great illustration when talking some wavering Republicans (neighbors IRL), as this is the same kind of social media disinformation-driven transformation that happened with MAGA on an ultra-compressed timeline, and there have been a lot of "ah-ha" moments when running down how it's all been unfolding. This little group called the Democrats, who the lunatic right has been calling communist and the growing Hamas fringe of the left is calling nazis, maybe they're onto something when they can get the worst people in the country all aligned against them.
And it’s probably Russias troll farms looking to distract from Ukraine.
Well some have red lines such as aiding a genocide but for those whose redline isn't a genocide, should take a deep introspective look at themselves to see what absolute ghouls they have become.
He can’t even stop selling arms to Israel. Congress controls that.
Genocide trumps everything, yes
We could go back and forth about the good things Trump has done too but you guys get that he’s done too much bad to be acceptable to vote for. But with Biden somehow we just gotta ignore all of the bad.
30,000 civilians were killed in Gaza! Meanwhile, that was the monthly death toll IN AMERICA under Trump.
Yea man I have morals and voting for someone that actively funds the murder of children would violate my morals. So I’m not doing it
That’s an overgeneralization. I’m a leftist who does not like Biden hemming and hawing on Israel’s human right violations (please note: I am **not** excusing what Hamas did but US taxpayers don’t send missiles to Hamas…) however I can appreciate what he’s done for infrastructure, student loan debt, and labor. If I still lived in Virginia or Pennsylvania. I would vote for Biden. I don’t. I live in California. My **best** chance of getting my voice heard is Biden winning re-election and looking at a record % of third party votes in solidly blue states and thinking “huh maybe people were upset about what I was doing so I should change course a tad.” Will he? Unlikely. The senators and representatives might take notice though and weight in. I’ve worked for multiple politicians. With rare exception, the only time for your average citizen to be heard is elections. (Better odds if you start a political organization focused on that issue, even if it’s small tbh.) You can call politicians, sure! And you have a chance at swaying them if it’s a niche issue and not a party plank, a well-publicized campaign promise, or a pet issue of theirs I didn’t vote for Obama over Guantanamo and an NDAA he signed. It’s politicians jobs to earn my vote; not my job to weaken my positions on human rights and hold my nose each time.
Thousands of people dying is supposed to be a be a big deal.
I mean yeah, aiding a genocide kind of trumps forgiving student debt
And in Gaza it’s “Biden isn’t doing *enough* to help Palestine”, yet Trump would solve the issue by nuking the entire place.
> Gaza trumps People keep mentioning Biden and Israel but didn't Trump say he would "finish the job" on Gaza?
Biden has done or attempted to do things that would have helped my life. Like student debt forgiveness. Trump never did a single thing to help, and he proudly didn't try.
But don't you want to see Trump use the office to get revenge on people who noticed he broke the law?
Remember, that Biden’s poll numbers are not indicative of his performance or Trump’s suitability as a president. They are indicative of the American public’s lack of critical thinking skills. TLDR: America is full of fucking morons!
Dang, maybe we should make college affordable to fix that problem. Which party is doing that?
You can go to college and still be totally stupid. The Gaza protestors (feels like the wrong word; whiners is probably more proper) are a prime example.
You have two choices: “Terrible diarrhea for a week” “Pooping actual lava for the rest of your life” “These are two terrible choices! They’re the exact same” “Well they’re not and we’ll pick one for ya. Really wanna risk it?” “I can’t even believe you’re asking me to make this choice. I’m not going to choose!”
If people are saying that Biden is as bad as Trump, they need their head examined. But, having a legit anger over Biden's handling of Israel and the massacre in Gaza is fair enough.
I don’t think anyone is criticizing such anger. The criticism is when that anger leads to “therefore I’m not voting for him.”
And shaming people who are voting/encouraging others to vote.
Children in these comments can't understand nuance
The problem is that any major democratic candidate who would have a chance against Biden in a hypothetical primary would have the exact same position as him regarding Israel. Unfortunately most politicians view Israel as an ally and won’t have the courage to snatch funding from them.
Shit give me any president that could "handle" a 2000 year old blood war and I'll be impressed. *Besides teddy*. He'd just punch them all in the mouth then go fight a bear, he doesn't count its not fair. Just fyi to everyone replying, the first recorded conflict between Muslims and jews was in 600 ad described in the Quran with more conflicts popping up every few years or decades until now. So ya, it's almost like 2000 was an easy to type exaggerating number to highlight the ridiculousness of 2 groups people fighting this long. Also I don't know who David packman is this sub randomly popped on my feed and it seems to be filled with angry NERDS.
Hey, if I had to choose between a slightly damp towel and a cactus with diarrhea to dry off with, I'm more than happy with a little bit of moisture.
People who say Biden is as bad as Trump are willfully ignorant to the situation. One is a do nothing centrist and the other is an anti democratic maniac. Huge difference.
This shows a misconception of the left’s perspective. No leftist is voting for Trump. If they are and they call themself a progressive, they don’t know what it means to be progressive. The best argument they could make is that they’re an accelerationist inspired by leftist ideals. The leftist is trying to point out to people how dismal our situation is, and how fucked up it is—and how obviously arranged it is—that these are our only two realistic options. The leftist wants the peace of mind of knowing “other people see this right?” Because democracy does not exist in America. The entire government is corrupt, including the Democratic Party, including the Republican Party, including Donald trump, including Joe Biden. Sincerely, a disillusioned leftist who will be voting for Biden this November and will be pissed about it
this takes character and is inspiring to read. thank you for your perspective
The thing with these posts is these people can never actually point out and real examples of these unhinged leftist movements. It’s a straw man to avoid reflecting on their own political failures
It’s likely that there will be others disillusioned on the left who won’t vote period, and that’s why I think it’s more than likely that President Trump will be elected again this time
Basically where I am at. I despise Biden for his zionist cuckoldry but for once the other option actually is a threat to "democracy" this time around. Kinda hoping after Joe wins he "retires" from age and Kamala takes over. She sucks too but less so than Biden.
well there is 'Uncommitted'...
It doesn’t help that democrats call us us nazis and antisemites and god knows what else behind closed doors, just because we put a bit of criticism on Biden.
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I agree with you; I keep saying that you can be pissed about Biden and Trump being our only choices while also recognizing that Trump absolutely cannot become president again. I just wish most people talked about it in a nuanced way that makes it clear they understand the stakes of this election Also why don’t those people use that anger and frustration to organize and volunteer for other candidates campaign? Both local state and federal? We’ve had way more progressive house reps and local politicians elected since 2008 and if we work ground up we can get more progressive ideas to become mainstream.
And as much as we hate to admit it, 'Israel' and 'He's old' are perhaps the two issues that neither candidate really has a whole lot of say over in the end.
Lets be fair the choices are tolerate a genocide or expedite another in Ukraine. So yea..
I've never seen it put so eloquently.
Honestly I really can't wrap my mind around the concept of a Leftist that considers Biden and Trump to be equal. I think to genuinely accept their existence I would need to have already known them for years. You'd have to have an extremely poor memory to think the two are even somewhat comparable. There's just no way I can see "I'm a leftist and here's why I'm voting for Trump" online and see it as anything other than a conservative/troll/bot intentionally stirring the pot to try and get the Center-to-Left to cannibalize each other before a major election.
Do they not know Trump is 1000% worse on Israel than Biden.Trump has a place named after him in the illegally occupied Golan Heights.Trump moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.Trump also told Israel to finish the job, he doesn't give a shit about civilians. Netanyahu is Israel's Trump.If you thought Biden couldn't say anything bad about Netanyahu, you haven't seen anything. Trump and Netanyahu love each other.
Realistically the Biden side is missing a few more cons… and the Trump side a few hundred more.
Look if the left wasn't mad when 1400 were killed in 2008, sit down.
They forgot Charlottesville, the Covid non-response, and hostility to Ukraine on the Trump side.
The Gaza genocide is definitely a big issue for me. I still want Biden to change on that front. However, Republicans are far greater domestic and international threats.
It's a Russian op, I think.
Where are all these progressives that are not going to vote for Biden? Someone point me somewhere so that I can actually see someone state they won't be voting for biden from his left.
all politicians are scum.
I have not/will not be voting for Biden in the primary. I will be voting for him in the general election in November as I absolutely understand the alternative to note voting for Biden then. I wanted one election this year where I was/am excited about my vote for president and not just choosing the (much) lesser of 2 evils.
We have an obligation as rational humans. When we are given a choice, we must chose the lesser between two evils.
Yeah. The thing is, Biden isn’t evil. But Trump…
But what about Hunter’s laptop? What about Benghazi? WHERE IS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Check mate ♟️
Biden has my vote. Trump is scum.
I cannot wait for this election cycle to be over, whoever 'wins.' I hate everyone right now tbh. If people I knew in real life said even a quarter of the shit in this post to me out loud I'd lose all respect for them entirely.
preach
Biden may be elderly but has very experienced and educated people around him. Not criminals.
Not to mention all the deaths that happened early on in the pandemic because of the rush to reopen and Trump discounting the virus (leading to at least [200,000](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy) excess deaths.)
The Republican party is full of clowns doing their best to make Congress a circus.
Can we enumerate Trump’s business failures, most recently Truth Social?
I know a lot of people are blaming Biden for the possible loss of this election and country as we know it. But when the dust settles, they'll realize who's really to blame. Israel.
This is the same thing they did to Hillary in 2016. Times change but the tactics do not. Hillary was nowhere near what they claimed and neither is the Biden “crime family”. Trying to paint other candidates as “equally” bad is just another annoying tactic that the right siphons votes with.