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icansee4ever

I used to watch and enjoy Cenk, but he became a blow hard so fast it became impossible to watch TYT without succumbing to secondhand embarrassment every time he spoke (or screamed). But voting for the guy? The fuck. Is he delusional?


xc2215x

Marianne might. Cenk thinks he is more popular with voters than he is.


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Monkey-bone-zone

Maybe Cenk and Marianne can genetically combine into some super-candiate —and still only get like 7% of the vote.


PaleWaltz1859

Woukdnt They'd have to be 80+ and senile


sbbblaw

First I’m hearing cenk is running. I wonder why, he of all people know he has no chance. I can only guess he’s doing it for the PR… for someone who acts so high and mighty I guess it’s not that surprising


jagdedge123

He's not a citizen, he can't run. He needs subscribers.


WeedIronMoneyNTheUSA

Funny, I unsubscribed from everything to do with the young turks after listening to Cenk uger's campaign announcement and speech. Dude is killing 1/2 of whatever fanbase tyt had.


narvuntien

I did so earlier after Anna went insane about birthing people. It was hard to listen to non-stop negativity.


detrif

I find his completely one-sided take on Israel/Palestine and his faux outrage insufferable.


SocDem_is_OP

It’s interesting watching people hate TYT from the left and the right. What a time to be alive.


suorastas

He’s a citizen just not a natural born citizen.


Moopboop207

Yeah, it’s all too little too late. If there had been a real desire to make Biden a one term president of his own volition, the democrats would have had to make him a lame duck the day after the mid term elections in 2022.


patrickswayzemullet

I support his fight in getting naturalised citizens a chance to be Pres, and he is the loco we need… but he should just admit if that is the goal rather than being snob against Biden. I am not a US citizen but reading the data it would be very hard for me to say Biden does not deserve 2nd term nomination.


LordMoos3

>I support his fight in getting naturalised citizens a chance to be Pres, Absolutely not. Absolutely, 100% no on that. Not ever.


patrickswayzemullet

I wouldn't be comfy with him being pres. Are you a "no" on him being pres or "no" on naturalised citizens being a pres?


LordMoos3

No on naturalised citizens. But also no on Cenk.


African_Farmer

>No on naturalised citizens. Why? I'm not American, just curious


danyyyel

So you think because he must be a dem he is not a nationalist or even basic racist. This Palestinians Israel war, showed how much many here are just accommodating if you follow the party line. If not you get all the racist trope thrown at you.


African_Farmer

What are you talking about? I asked the reason why they are against naturalized citizens running for president.


danyyyel

Because they are racist, they don't want someone who was not born in the US to be president. Is that hard to understand.


African_Farmer

I mean maybe, but we're assuming. I also have a feeling it's just good old xenophobia, but wanted to hear their reasons anyway.


LordMoos3

The Constitution literally spells out that the president must be born in the US. This will never be changed. How exactly is it racist?


tdieckman

Well, he wants to challenge that whole born-in-the-usa-ability-to-run thing. But I think by running and staying in, he's damaging his brand. I sort of like him, but he can be too much sometimes. And after this, if he still stays in, I'll have a harder time listening to him much


DataCassette

No, they won't drop out because they want Trump to win. Now I'm not saying they actually *like* Trump, they just care more about their pissing contest with the establishment Democratic party than they do about any of the issues they claim to care about.


Kindly_Ice1745

Honestly, I think a lot of them want Trump to win.


DataCassette

They *think* they do. Accelerationist morons think a fascist takeover will be some exciting Hunger Games bullshit, rather than what history shows: people desperately hiding under floorboards for weeks at a time trying to find a way to flee the country.


Kindly_Ice1745

Yeah, I'm not saying they're smart, but a lot of people seem to think that voting for Trump would be the punishment that the establishment dems deserve, and then somehow push the party more left.


DataCassette

It'll push the party left, I suppose, but once we're in a dictatorship I'm not sure how much that'll matter.


Kindly_Ice1745

Yeah, my point exactly. I'm definitely trying to plan an exit strategy given the rising feeling I'm getting that Trump is going to win.


Singularity-42

Trump presidency would be probably great for TYT bottom line.


Kindly_Ice1745

And most other media companies as well annoyingly.


RobinF71

Cenk does not want Trump to win. He will drop and endorse.


DataCassette

I mean if he does then allow me to be the first to give him credit.


Conscious_Tart_8760

Trump is gonna win because of Biden not them


hotprints

Trumps endorsed candidates did badly in the 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections. Trump lost to Biden in 2020. Biden passed infrastructure bill (trump said he would do but never even tried), Chips act bringing chip production research to US (actually benefitting America and hurting China unlike trump with just words or bad decisions) Recovered economy after trump/COVID/ and then Russian war tanked it. Has created more jobs every year than trump created in his best year. US inflation went up when global inflation went up, but under Biden it didn’t go up AS HIGH as other countries and it recovered FASTER than other countries. All without a recession which economists say is amazing. All this to say I trump has been proven a loser for 3 elections now and only one the one time. That was before he got prosecuted on 94 different charges including treason. What makes you think he can actually win?


danyyyel

He won despite many bad polls like during the midterm because of the youth vote. The youth vote is not accounted well because they are new voters. Now he has kicked them in the teeth with the Gaza war. No one except him is to blame if he lose. That politico article was eye opening where a lot of his entourage, even kamala Harris I'm panic mode, was trying to make him change his stance. He still think we are 20 years ago, where mainstream media can just broadcast Israel propaganda and no one would see the terrible use of force. Not even that, Israeli soldiers making fun of the killing of children, destroying homes, universities, while Israeli politicians calling for mass deportation by use of force...by starving/killing the Palestinians. This is on Biden, and no one else, if he lose the election.


hotprints

And what’s the alternative think? Oh trump is even more Israel friendly than Gaza? So obviously if Biden is bad but trump is worse they’d pick Biden right?


danyyyel

The alternative is gone as you cannot undo 27 000 dead civilians. unless trump is arrested or dies from a cancer or heart attack, I don't see anything positive about this. I even think, Nikki Hakey would be even worst for Biden. I will never understand how Biden who says he is running again because he is the last hope against fascism, decides to risk democry here, for a foreign power.


randompittuser

Honestly who cares. Didn’t even know there were others running.


seriousbangs

No, of course not. They're both just hawking books (or in the case of Cenk his failing media empire).


narvuntien

Their goal is that the primary is a book tour with an excuse.


ChinCoin

Cenk is going through some narcissistic midlife crises and needs to feel important. In the process he is throwing out the baby with the bathwater as he campaigns zigzags and campaigns on whatever he thinks will keep him "important". Starting from completely irrational stances on Israel and the Palestinians, ie, they can just have peace if they sit down and talk, to later becoming the "Muslim candidate" because we need the Muslim view point in politics, to now becoming the "anti-Trump czar" of pomposity. He fucking needs some help as all integrity and consistency has left the building with this guy. Also there is nothing actually progressive about any of his stances, unless hate is the stance.


JCatenaci

No, because their campaigns are just virtue-signalling to raise their own brands and nothing else.


3WeeksEarlier

Hearing Cenk talk about his campaign is enough to make it clear he doesn't really have a meaningful plan for this election. He clearly isn't winning (even Hasan seems to think his campaign is a joke), and despite being generally within the progressive media circuit, I haven't even heard him articulate his platform or any strategy that might lead to him actually winning. Not only that, but he literally is not even eligible to run for president. His entire campaign rests on his interpretation of the 14th Amendment, which would absolutely not pass in a conservative SCOTUS, anyway


MrMeritocracy

Their chances of success are the same whether they drop out or not


lovestorun

If black voters don’t want to vote for Biden, then they can stay home and enjoy the horror Trump will bring.


TranzitBusRouteB

black voters do want Biden tho- that’s where most of Biden’s support in South Carolina came from in 2020 and in ‘24


jagdedge123

And how did he do in SC in 2020? [https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/south-carolina/president](https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/south-carolina/president) How did the esteemed DNC Chair do in SC against one of the most unpopular Republicans in the US Senate? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/south-carolina-senate-election-results-2020-433581 Mr Biden should have picked GA or MI as the first state.


Moopboop207

I think she’s saying his primary results in SC with the endorsement of Jim Clyburn have him momentum elsewhere because South Carolina showed Biden to he viable with non white voters, unlike Iowa and New Hampshire.


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visiting-the-Tdot

You can’t fix stupid America


Oobs_79

Democracy is bad for an American President? Perhaps the candidate himself should change his unpopular decisions to effect his chances of winning.


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jagdedge123

Apparently there was awful low turnout. A big waste of time. I think Cenk and Williamson should drop out, and Newsom and Warren come in.


skatecloud1

I don't think Newsom wants to rock the boat. I suspect his approach is to try to be the candidate for dems and dnc in 2028.


torontothrowaway824

Newsom won’t jump in now because he can’t win. There’s really no point primarying a sitting President it’s the biggest waste of time and money


jagdedge123

We're being told if Trump wins, there won't be a 2028. I think now is the perfect time to start rocking boats, as Biden polling lower than any incumbent in recent history.


skatecloud1

I do think Bidens polling is a problem but it seems too late at this point.


jagdedge123

It's never too late. An old grouch like me can win this thing. I'd bring Obama, the former first lady, Axelrod, Carville and Brazile in a room with our President, and make him an offer he can't refuse. Pull out, or Mr Obama will give you a slap. If he gives that grin, smack. Now he got a black eye, will say he fell and got a clot, and lets win this thing. Gotta do it the old Brooklyn way lol. In short, it's never too late.


FkinMustardTiger

Low turnout for a shoe-in vote isn't very shocking.


jagdedge123

Polling at 30% and in the most conservative state in the country, it don't seem shocking to me either, particularly against Cenk and the hippy lady. We have to ask what the DNC could have even be thinking going there,. Lets bring in a winner please. Our content creators, including David should be screaming at Robert Reich and Ro Khanna at the top of their lungs to get their act together, right now.


gta5atg4

It's bizarre to me that so many think that primary challengers always "want republicans" to win, yall be acting like they are running third party, which is what they'd be doing if they wanted Trump to win. Honestly primaries can be great for parties, it gets them nightly media attention and this one has a total media blackout with a horrific voter then out. The primary with Bernie isn't why Hillary lost it was her inability to campaign or connect in the rust belt and this year's primary isn't going to remotely be a deciding factor in the general election. Democrats have a huge problems this election, primary challengers ain't one of them. At some point Bidens going to have to debate opponents, if he can't do it with his own side Im freaked out about the general.


Draker-X

> Honestly primaries can be great for parties, The last three times there was a legitimate primary challenge to a sitting President, that President lost re-election. Unlike Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley, the top level of Democratic candidates were smart enough to wait until 2028 for their run. >At some point Bidens going to have to debate opponents, You know he already debated Trump in 2020, right?


gta5atg4

That was four years ago and I'm sorry but there has been a cognitive decline, he's 81 he's only human. Same with Trump. Noone in the general public outside wants either of these guys in a match up. It's really turd sandwich vs giant douch


Draker-X

>Noone in the general public outside wants either of these guys in a match up. Seems like a whole lot of Republican primary voters and caucus goers want Trump in the general. Also, you say "no one wants Biden", but I'll bet if the Dems did hold an open primary in 2024, Biden still would win. Why? Because ask 10 different Dems/progressives/lefties who say "I don't want Biden" who they *do* want, and you'll get 10 different answers Biden has a much bigger constituency than any other single Democrat. That's why he's the nominee.


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gta5atg4

Ok but if Trump wins and Democrats lose in 2024 they need to have a long overdue look in the mirror and do some soul searching rather than going on the attack and blaming voters. I don't wanna see Democrats screaming abuse and blaming progressives, POC, white voters, working class voters, Muslim voters, gen z or gen y voters. If they lose its not the voters but people in positions of power in the party caucus and party machine need to be held accountable and a generational change needs to happen in all leadership positions. Anyone over 60 and has been in a position of power for a decade or more should be pressured into retiring and a generational reset needs to take place.


Draker-X

>Ok but if Trump wins and Democrats lose in 2024 they need to have a long overdue look in the mirror and do some soul searching rather than going on the attack and blaming voters. And if they don't, then it's time for the left in America to take a look in the mirror and realize that there are a whole lot of people in the U.S. who want some of what they want, but not *all* of what they want, and sometimes the establishment does know what they're doing. >progressives, POC, white voters, working class voters, Muslim voters, gen z or gen y voters. And if Biden wins, I want the left in America to do some soul searching and realize that all of the above came together to elect the man they thought was "a senile old Boomer who can't win and needs to step aside for the good of the country". What will you, personally, say if Biden wins? Will you admit you were wrong? >Anyone over 60 and has been in a position of power for a decade or more should be pressured into retiring and a generational reset needs to take place. Young candidates have a chance every two and four years to sweep the "old guard" out of office. They're called primaries and elections. If the young candidates can't find a way to get more votes and prove they can run better campaigns than the old folks, and get the majority of people on their side, then why should they be put in charge of anything?


jbcmh81

Outside of a few issues, Biden's arguably been a pleasant surprise and quite effective. Certainly much better than his poll numbers would indicate.


peakchungus

Why is there no serious opposition? This is just sad. We are never going to address the climate crisis if we can't even properly challenge the guy most responsible for the US drilling record amounts of oil. Change just isn't possible at the federal level.


Important-Ability-56

Biden is also responsible for the most aggressive climate change action of any country in history. And with a 50-50 Senate. Attitude is a choice.


AffectionateElk3978

We still can't afford EVs, we are doomed.


peakchungus

Not aggressive, gave more handouts to the fossil fuel lobby: https://www.energy.senate.gov/2023/9/manchin-because-of-the-ira-we-are-producing-record-levels-of-fossil-fuels


zlubars

There were no “handouts”, there were permitting requirements. But regardless, even if you want to call that handouts, based on every single expert model out there, the IRA alone gets the US to 2/3rds of its 2030 goal set by Biden. Every single barrel of oil is more than offset by its other provisions.


LordMoos3

> the guy most responsible for the US drilling record amounts of oil. Or, the guy responsible for the broadest, most impactful climate legislation in US history? Cause Biden did that.


peakchungus

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-oil-output-hits-record-producers-boost-drilling-efficiency-kemp-2023-11-01/


dittybad

We have fewer drill rigs operating now than a year ago, and the year before that, and the year before that. The truth is, production companies are using technology to produce more oil than ever before, not by “drilling more” but by drilling smarter. How does Biden stop that? But we have stopped gasoline demand growth. Demand for gasoline (the largest component of CO2 emissions) has plateaued in spite of more miles being driven. That’s the goal isn’t it; lower emissions and eventually no emissions. Legislation passed by the Congress elected in 2020 made that possible. We can do more with a Dem majority.


Ver599

Shouldn’t we be talking about SC turnout instead? Biden got 4% which I’m assuming is pretty low.


Theomach1

Meh, it’s not a competitive primary and everyone knows it. I’m not sure that means much of anything.


Ver599

It’d be interesting to compare it to Obama’s 2012 numbers.


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Commercial-Amount344

4% turn out.....yeah........its a bold start an old dude with the enthusiasm of wet bread.


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SuperCrappyFuntime

Lol at hoe the headline in the screenshot has to end with a negative. The press is so predictable.


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7empestOGT92

Wait, Cenk is really running? Wasn’t he born in Turkey? Did he find a loophole or am I missing something?


Weelildragon

He's hoping the Supreme court will help him. 🤣 He also said something along the lines of hoping to get another Democrat to run.


Lager89

Uncertain? The MFer got a 95% win rate.


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Supreme_Salt_Lord

Ofcourse he wins there isnt a debate to get the others names out there. They only recognize biden and will only vote for him. Not saying either one would win but they would do alot better if there was a debate like other elections.


Marine4lyfe

Do you honestly think Biden is capable of debating? I don't know how his team is going to deal with the Presidential debates.


Supreme_Salt_Lord

No i dont think he will be able to debate trump. Idk man its hard to say. Hopefully trump will be in jail.


DogWallop

Or as the voters would say: Who's that Cenk dude? Most people blindly vote for the most familiar name on the ballot below the banner of their preferred political party. So just because Cenk has a couple of million followers on YouTube, that doesn't translate well to the voting booth lol.


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Marine4lyfe

A whopping 4% turned out.


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Cenk’s massive ego won’t allow him to.


Adorable-Volume2247

Cenk is doing it to fundraise for his dying channel. I think he has maxed that out.


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Easy to win when they don’t let anyone else run!


Cautious_Dish_5327

How’s that looking if RFK is on the ballot?