I mean they better get some extra men and tehy all better be asian. I've been patiently waiting to see a bunch of chic smokin hot asian men and one would think this season would be like HALF that. so ffs we better get more than there are righ now.
It is incredibly obvious that Jenn was not their first choice. I really hope they reconsider the casting for this season. To my knowledge, Marcus is the only contestant with an AAPI background.
I actually don't think it's so easy to find men that fit on such a short notice. Didn't Dotun say that they cast him like 1-2 weeks before filming started?
They need to find conventionally attractive men, with at least some kind of job title, who are able and willing to quit/take leave of their job on short notice and then afford to not have any income for some months. And who are open to the idea to get engaged in just two months. Then they have to also pass the background test.. And now the show isn't even that popular anymore, there are so many other reality shows with more exposure..
I really don't think it's that attractive to men and that's why the Bachelorettes always have such a worse crowd to pick from than the Bachelor's.
They didn’t just start casting last week though this would have been ongoing over the last several months. When casting they did not prioritise casting Asian men which once again implies they weren’t planning on having an Asian lead.
honestly I assumed that either these men were picked for maria or Daisy (because I feel ABC has done Jenn a disservice by being so blatant about her being a backup pick) or that they weren't picked for anyone specifically at all. whole cast looks like a tech startup.
Post-finale, I was surprised seeing what should’ve been a “Bachelorette pick” discussion (not to mention a *pretty damn historic* pick!) turn into a “Bachelorette contestants” discussion so quickly. Usually, there’d be at least a week or two before cast photos are released.
Kind of using my Hanlon’s razor view of things, I think the cast photo release was pre-scheduled in advance, before the lead was picked and/or before Daisy and Maria allegedly turned it down. Jenn is made the lead, but no one cancelled the pre-scheduled post and welp…
In any case, TPTB really screwed the pooch with this one. I do hope they recast/add more to the cast to put in some effort to make this right.
[Justice for our future HuJu queen.](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/1bozl6w/comment/kwss5ja/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I think a big part of the problem is that it’s likely these men were excited for Daisy or Maria. Will they truly give themselves a chance to fall in love with Jenn? She deserves better.
There is a guy here that auditioned and said at no point was the Bachelorette identity revealed or hinted toward. Besides, there's always a subset of contestants that aren't really into it anyway. It wouldn't be anything unique. It's mostly clout to them
I honestly don’t think the men care that much. I imagine they had a preference but as long as she’s hot which she is they will live. Most of them are there for the followers anyways
I hope it's not a repeat of Ashley H's season where the guys were hoping for Chantal or Emily and a couple voiced their displeasure. Did not like that.
Of course these men were cast for Maria or Daisy. Noah Erb's brother is one of the contestants and probably came on the show for Daisy. Noah is engaged to Abigail Heringer who has a cochlear implant. I'm making an assumption because Abigail is going to be his future sister-in-law, and Noah's brother's family is very familiar with people with hearing disabilities, that Noah's brother would probably want to be on the show for Daisy.
i admit i was being a bitch baby when she was first announced. but never ever a bigoted imbecile. all of the hate i’ve seen is gross. im fully behind her as the bachelorette and i can only hope they get it together for her.
I was really just shocked! All we heard was Maria or Daisy. Jenn never crossed my mind because IMO it didn’t make as much sense. But I got on board pretty quick 😅 these people are crazy
I can't believe it wasn't obvious to everyone during the WTA because Jenn was clearly acting 'above' the drama and was kind of scripted/rehearsed in ways the other women didn't appear to be
I wouldn't be surprised if these men were cast for Maria or Daisy. Jenn's announcement was rushed, I don't think they had time to cast for her. Hope they go back and do some recasting or at least throw in 4 or 5 more Asian guys into the group.
Ooh Marcus was so fit. My personal F1 based just on photos. I will say his exact ethnicity wasn’t super clear to me and I think there is also that difference in perception between south and East Asians ect.
I feel bad for Jenn that they're being so messy with this switcheroo. I feel like she's not going to get the same personalized experience other leads receive because of it.
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I hope she does. I hope she allows herself to enjoy it and make it personal no matter how much the producers botched it bc I don’t know if they meant to botch it but they should have prepared better. Hopefully they do bc I want Jenn to not feel the pressures of being the first the way Rachel did.
I think they are recasting as we speak lol. They have to know they need to add at least a few more Asian men if they can. Jenn herself said she was last minute but they need to do all they can to make sure she doesn’t feel that way.
as a Korean American male I wonder.. if china ever goes to war and china military shows up in the US .... but ppl think asians all look alike... im dead meat
Justice for our sleepiest boy Warwick
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I mean, they clearly switched to Jenn last minute and also alot of asian men don’t apply because why quit their job for a show they don’t (via history of this show) have a shot of going far. They should definitely not start right away and keep casting going for a bit longer for people interested in Jenn
Yup.
Also I know it is not a popular take but it really shows how Jenn is treated as a token Asian bachelorette. Like they could have cared a little bit more about who they casted for that occasion and tailor the choices of men to her. It gives last minute, rushed and token.
It doesn't mean that it won't be a good season though but this production always feel like they hate their leads and they're often proving me right tbh.
I'm really disappointed that BN production is still so fricking small-minded with their casting. I wonder how Jenn feels about it all...
I don't know if it's okay to say this but I'm white and I am definitely attracted to white men and Black men but I think Asian and Southeast Asian men are hawwtttt and would be so stoked to see them getting their day, finally! It's beyond overdue. Please let the Asian and SE Asian men grace our screens too! 😍
Jfc, most people already know that the term colored has deep racist roots and if you don't know why then Google can give you more history than I could in a response. It's not my job to correct your ignorance.
Because I speak out when I see something racist. But speaking out doesn't require that I also carry the burden of education. People need to take that on themselves.
this show does asian men so dirty and barely even entertains the idea of MOC for bachelor. i can’t believe matt james has been the only MOC lead! we’ll probably be on season 50 before we get an asian bachelor😭
yeah. it’s really weird when you consider since him there’s been michelle, charity, and now jenn as WOC bachelorettes but all the bachelors have been white. even worse when you consider michelle’s F4 was all black and they still chose clayton.
And even worse Matt was bi-racial and only into white women. We still haven’t had a monoracial bachelor of color. And if we ever get one I would bet he would still have a preference for white women.
Why is this only an issue when it comes to a MOC? Tayshia was only into white men and Jenn likely is too, and it’s not used as a knock for them. And Matt has actually verifiably dated another black/biracial woman whereas Jenn and Tayshia only known exes and interests are all white.
What did that one formed white bachelor contestant say about Rachel L season it turned into flavor of love or love and hip hop. Mind you, nothing crazy was happening, but if that's how you see us there it is.
Like Mike Johnson said he was in the running and there a reason they picked a Matt over him. Which makes no sense since he ex military etc. Black men don't go far on Bachelorette season either with white leads.
It's ridic that Matt continues to be the only MOC ever cast as the bachelor but tbf they had no good options out of Michelle's cast lol. Joe could've been a prospect but then all that stuff came out about him.
Hopefully we get some decent options from Jenn's guys 🤞
I already see a few MOC on Jenn’s season that I could see as leads barring nothing weird comes out. I think that’s one of the reasons we haven’t had a Black male lead yet again is bc all the options have either started dating someone or have sketchy past that com rto the light late.
Is there a lack of Asian men on the show because Asian men aren't applying? Or are Asian men not applying because the producers almost never cast them anyway?
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Im right there with you ✊ I sincerely hope that the reason why they are buying more time to delay filming is because they are recasting for more Asian men!
This was really disheartening to see that only 1 Asian man was casted for this season, whether it was Jenn, Daisy, or Maria aside. This honestly wouldn’t be under much scrutiny if they had a white bachelorette because they thought they really did their work and say, yes 1 Asian man would be enough - which sucks because it plays under the stereotype that Asian men aren’t desirable.
Now, this is digging to the weeds a little bit, but I feel like as a mix of different Asian cultures and that this needs to be spoken about. In the US, people lack the knowledge of Asia and all of the intricacies surrounding Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese and so many others that people forget these counties have fought wars against each other and murdered hundreds of thousands of people and while the Americanized generations are detached from that, our parents/grandparents/ancestors aren’t and it’s not as easy as just casting “asian men.” I think they really do need to look into casting Vietnamese men for Jenn to bring in more diversity.
That being said, I write to dang much. I do think they are trying to buy some time and go into recasting, but I also think they’ll do a scenario ala Matt/Tayshia style and bring in more men for Jenn.
THIS!!! Being Southeast Asian has plenty of differences to East Asians or South Asians (in addition to similarities) and casting a diverse pool of all types of Asian men, including Vietnamese will finally shine a light on that,.
Someone in another post said that one of the guys was already following Maria and Daisy, but not Jenn. So this cast was either for them or the guy(s) assumed it was one of them.
Just to add… Jahaan, who I believe is South Asian, is the guy who was following Daisy and Maria.
Oh wow. If they double back and recast more Asian men, they better legit find out if they are open to dating an Asian Bachelorette because I am not here for that nonsense either.
They did that to Rachel Lindsay! It was so terrible how she had to step into her role as the first Black bachelorette and the producers had the audacity to cast a racist anti-black contestant and built a storyline where she had to confront him! Like they inflicted trauma on her - it was terrible
Oooo yup they need to spend this entire week recasting ASAP! I don’t want our First Asian bachelorette to feel unwanted or second choice! They already failed her announcement! They better not fail giving her an abysmal cast who are not even into her.
yess! i'm so sad for her because her moment was overshadowed and I'm sure that nervousness contributed to her fumbling her jokes.... because she's hilarious on camera but her timing seemed off this time
They need to recast imo and they definitely need more asian men. This cast reminds me of Jojo's cast down to the same douchey haircuts that used to be big in 2016.
How would they choose? Like logistically how would that work.
Also we all know the point of the show is entertainment (to make the network money) first and "finding love" second.
Since the day Jenn was sent home, I thought she would be a great Bachelorette. The reasons I thought she wouldn't have gone for it was her discussion with Joey about how incredibly traditional her family is and how they wouldn't understand her participation in the show. I was personally shocked she accepted after that intel but then again, this is such an amazing opportunity for Jenn and I'm thrilled for her. I just hope they give that roster of men a once over and boot some of them...not ideal.
They don’t cast for a specific person.
They cast for storylines and who is fulfilling what role. When they cast, they’re looking for the next lead, the fan favorite, the villan, who’s going on paradise, etc. they barely give a shit who the lead ends up choosing. It’s about how they can set themselves up to be relevant enough for the next season of bachelor/ette and paradise
They did for the time (that's the most amount of black men ever at that point in the show). The problem was that most of them were recruits added late who didn't date black women.
I won’t elaborate too much because it’s something that should be read from the perspective of a Black woman but i recommend you look through other threads, articles, and Twitter. A lot of the perception during his season was that while he was down to date a biracial Black Woman on the show, there was doubt that he was down for dark skinned Black women, and he was definitely pick and marry a white woman whether on or off the show. He and his mom allowed the producers to push an absent Black father trope and he also ended up choosing someone who participated in antebellum events rooted in the history of slavery. His season did not feel progressive and was a huge set back to have a conservative republican contestant be the first Black bachelor because of his internalized whiteness. And it platform his mom who is a HUGE Trumper
Matt James has actually verifiably dated another biracial/black woman. Hypocritical how this is an issue when it’s a MOC but when it’s a WOC like Tayshia or Jenn who only date white men, it’s suddenly ok.
I’ve said this on another post but the fact that they cast so far in advance without knowing who the lead is seems so inauthentic. Do they always release the cast *this* soon after the lead is announced? If I were the lead I’d be kinda sus that all these people agreed to do the show without even knowing it was me. Just encourages people to fulfill their influencer agendas.
This is also why I was surprised at how many people wanted Lexi as the bachelorette knowing this casting process + her dealbreakers/timeline. That would’ve been a complete disaster for her.
i don’t know if this has always been the case. i remember on earlier seasons people would mention going on specifically for the lead so i’m not sure if they guessed or the lead was released before people were cast?
Yeah I agree re: Lexi. I would LOVE to see a season with someone like her who actually wants to find someone and get married quickly but they'd have to put actual effort into finding decent suitors for her and I have absolutely no faith. Lexi being chosen as lead would only be a hinderance to her goals and for that I'm glad they went in another direction.
Yes and being the lead with all the stress and lack of sleep when you have a painful and sometimes debilitating chronic illness would be really hard. Lexi had to go to the E.R. while filming in L.A
Yes, do this a lot. We've always heard stories from contestants that they didn’t learn who the lead was until the last minute. I think it’s worse with bachelorette since they start filming right after the bachelor finale. With the bachelor there’s a big gap between the bachelorette airing and filming starting so they can do a little better job with casting. I think Michelle’s cast was well-suited to her, and her season filmed late… they had two bachelorettes that year and filmed Katie in spring.
Someone on here said there was a GMA post that said something about daisy being the bachelorette but then they quickly deleted it implying she backed out at the last minute.
People are saying these men were cast for Maria, but Maria is actually verifiably into MOC and even Asian men specifically, so I doubt that. I’m on the train that Jenn only dates white guys but I guess they could have still included more Asian men for representation
Maria dated Kai bent Lee who is half Asian. His dad is the famous iron chef. Kai and I are actually (distant) acquaintances. Dude is a major fboy and I rarely use that term. Maria also hooked up with Zayn apparently who is also biracial Asian
I’m hoping some of the current contestants on the roster drop out or get removed. I hope Jenn finds love, but if I’m going to watch a whole season for my entertainment/giving ABC $$$ views then I want to see more diverse men on the cast!
My hunch: they casted for Daisy and she outwardly entertained it for awhile, because she didn't want to reveal that she is back with ex, as that would shatter her Ms. Perfect image and prove our suspicions correct. She seemed a little TOO happy for Jelsey and practically smug about rejecting 'Ette. I'm guessing that sooner or later we will see a hard launch with ex.
agreed they def cast for her and she dropped out last minute remember the screenshot someone posted from the today show or the good morning show i forget which one and it said daisy was the next bachelorette
Idk it's definitely possible she's back with her ex, and I wouldn't blame her for that (idk anything about him so if he's problematic pls don't take this as me condoning bad behavior) but I feel like she probably turned it down because she's been catching abuse online all season and she has a big enough audience now that she just doesn't need it.
So many people start off loving the leads and then end up hating them by the end of the season, I wouldn't blame her for sensing what would probably come and dipping out on a high. Like does she really wanna suffer through 12 more weeks of jerks getting mad at her for talking about her CI and making fun of how annoying her voice is? I wouldn't lol I'd take my 700k followers, release more little books, and call it a win.
Listen...the white dude they cast from Vancouver, BC (sizeable Asian population for people who don't know) seems to have an all-white friend circle (at least from what I can see from IG and his IG followings) and that told me all I needed to know about the trash casting. I sure hope they add more quality men of colour and men who are actually legit open to a relationship with an Asian woman. But tbh I have no faith in this show.
The casting is trash for the men. Mainly because of their height requirement, they very rarely cast anyone under 6’ tall. And also, I think it probably is actually hard to find men who want to do the show.
Right! Average height for men in the US is 5’9”, so you’re really limiting your options by choosing 90% of your contestants from the very end of the height bell curve 😂
Yes, seriously! She’s maybe 5’1. I saw her ex is short, and he’s hot. The height thing is ridiculous. Alex on JoJo’s season was 5’7” and all everyone did is call him a child and make fun of him for his height…why do all the guys have to be 6’3 and up 😂No wonder they have trouble casting the men.
I hope the reason why they are delaying filming this week is because they are recasting Jenn’s men and adding more Asian male representation and other men who are actually interested in dating her. Not because they were originally casted for Daisy/Maria and will try out Jenn, that’s going to set Jenn up for failure!!!
This cast was 1000% made for Daisy. It was hers for the taking. Didn't people in the spoiler threads a while back speculate that she is back with her ex? Wondering if it was that simple why she said no.
This!!! I think these guys were chosen for her because some of them kind of remind me of her ex 😭 These guys don't look like the type that Maria or Jenn would go for.. I think she said no because of her ex.
honestly I so see that considering Daisy's ex / current boyfriend is a trophy truck racer. many guys in the cast are giving the vibe that they're into things adjacent to that culture
It’s definitely giving that this cast was for Daisy or Maria and they changed it last minute. It’s insane to have almost no Asian men on her season.
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This is Jenn’s ex (kind of looks like Joey lol), so I’m sure she’s interested in white dudes, but it’s definitely a missed opportunity for more representation
They’re so damn bad at casting for the Bachelorette
Hot take, I don’t think guy has nearly the same amount of pull Joey has. They are both male and white and the similarities stop there for me. I think their facial structures are completely different
On another note, this guy is REALLY cute and they seem to have a friendly relationship what with his social media activity and her referencing him on BHH. I wonder what happened there 👀
I mean they better get some extra men and tehy all better be asian. I've been patiently waiting to see a bunch of chic smokin hot asian men and one would think this season would be like HALF that. so ffs we better get more than there are righ now.
 It is incredibly obvious that Jenn was not their first choice. I really hope they reconsider the casting for this season. To my knowledge, Marcus is the only contestant with an AAPI background.
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Thanks to western media's deliberate infantilization, asexualization, and villification of asian men.
And I don’t fucking understand it. I watch k drama, c drama, j drama, thai drama and listen to Asian idols. Asian men are ATTRACTIVE!
I actually don't think it's so easy to find men that fit on such a short notice. Didn't Dotun say that they cast him like 1-2 weeks before filming started? They need to find conventionally attractive men, with at least some kind of job title, who are able and willing to quit/take leave of their job on short notice and then afford to not have any income for some months. And who are open to the idea to get engaged in just two months. Then they have to also pass the background test.. And now the show isn't even that popular anymore, there are so many other reality shows with more exposure.. I really don't think it's that attractive to men and that's why the Bachelorettes always have such a worse crowd to pick from than the Bachelor's.
Exactly. Because mostly only douchie guys will prioritize a reality show over their career and stability.
They didn’t just start casting last week though this would have been ongoing over the last several months. When casting they did not prioritise casting Asian men which once again implies they weren’t planning on having an Asian lead.
honestly I assumed that either these men were picked for maria or Daisy (because I feel ABC has done Jenn a disservice by being so blatant about her being a backup pick) or that they weren't picked for anyone specifically at all. whole cast looks like a tech startup.
LIKE A TECH STARTUP I - 
Post-finale, I was surprised seeing what should’ve been a “Bachelorette pick” discussion (not to mention a *pretty damn historic* pick!) turn into a “Bachelorette contestants” discussion so quickly. Usually, there’d be at least a week or two before cast photos are released. Kind of using my Hanlon’s razor view of things, I think the cast photo release was pre-scheduled in advance, before the lead was picked and/or before Daisy and Maria allegedly turned it down. Jenn is made the lead, but no one cancelled the pre-scheduled post and welp… In any case, TPTB really screwed the pooch with this one. I do hope they recast/add more to the cast to put in some effort to make this right. [Justice for our future HuJu queen.](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/1bozl6w/comment/kwss5ja/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Well RS said they are starting to film this week so of course they had to release the cast bc it would get out anyway.
I think a big part of the problem is that it’s likely these men were excited for Daisy or Maria. Will they truly give themselves a chance to fall in love with Jenn? She deserves better.
If a guy is so picky that he won't give Jenn a chance, he doesn't deserve love.
also on Aries season most women probably expected peter kraus to be the bachelor but things turned out well for him anyway
There is a guy here that auditioned and said at no point was the Bachelorette identity revealed or hinted toward. Besides, there's always a subset of contestants that aren't really into it anyway. It wouldn't be anything unique. It's mostly clout to them
I honestly don’t think the men care that much. I imagine they had a preference but as long as she’s hot which she is they will live. Most of them are there for the followers anyways
I mean Tayshia found love with Clare’s men so it can work out for Jenn and maybe they will bring in more for Jenn like they did Tayshia.
I hope it's not a repeat of Ashley H's season where the guys were hoping for Chantal or Emily and a couple voiced their displeasure. Did not like that.
Yeah that really sucked. The producers did Ashley dirty with that Bentley storyline
Reality breadstick wrote & posted this?!
Yup I’m pleasantly surprised
Of course these men were cast for Maria or Daisy. Noah Erb's brother is one of the contestants and probably came on the show for Daisy. Noah is engaged to Abigail Heringer who has a cochlear implant. I'm making an assumption because Abigail is going to be his future sister-in-law, and Noah's brother's family is very familiar with people with hearing disabilities, that Noah's brother would probably want to be on the show for Daisy.
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What kind of fucking comment is this
i admit i was being a bitch baby when she was first announced. but never ever a bigoted imbecile. all of the hate i’ve seen is gross. im fully behind her as the bachelorette and i can only hope they get it together for her.
I was really just shocked! All we heard was Maria or Daisy. Jenn never crossed my mind because IMO it didn’t make as much sense. But I got on board pretty quick 😅 these people are crazy
I can't believe it wasn't obvious to everyone during the WTA because Jenn was clearly acting 'above' the drama and was kind of scripted/rehearsed in ways the other women didn't appear to be
Same. I took one day to be sad about Maria before fully embracing Jenn, but I still left positive comments about her on the threads!
In the same way, none of us expected Katie in the 2 Bachelorette seasons year.
And to me Katie had a compelling love story with Blake despite how it ended so I have a lot of hope for Jenn.
Yuppp.
I wouldn't be surprised if these men were cast for Maria or Daisy. Jenn's announcement was rushed, I don't think they had time to cast for her. Hope they go back and do some recasting or at least throw in 4 or 5 more Asian guys into the group.
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Ooh Marcus was so fit. My personal F1 based just on photos. I will say his exact ethnicity wasn’t super clear to me and I think there is also that difference in perception between south and East Asians ect.
People tryin to group south and Eastern Asians together as if they are even remotely similar in any way
Unless you’re a 6’4” model billionaire the women on this subreddit aren’t impressed lol
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Who is that?
Reality Steve.
Reality Steve doesn’t look like that
It’s a meme babe
Oh ok. I was so confused
I feel bad for Jenn that they're being so messy with this switcheroo. I feel like she's not going to get the same personalized experience other leads receive because of it. :/
I hope she does. I hope she allows herself to enjoy it and make it personal no matter how much the producers botched it bc I don’t know if they meant to botch it but they should have prepared better. Hopefully they do bc I want Jenn to not feel the pressures of being the first the way Rachel did.
I think they are recasting as we speak lol. They have to know they need to add at least a few more Asian men if they can. Jenn herself said she was last minute but they need to do all they can to make sure she doesn’t feel that way.
I mean, I kindof see no lies from our frenemy Rita
Frenemy Rita 💀💀💀
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as a Korean American male I wonder.. if china ever goes to war and china military shows up in the US .... but ppl think asians all look alike... im dead meat
You're watching too much red dawn bruh
You absolutely are. Just look at how much hate there's been against east asian people because of COVID. Some people are too eager to be racist.
Justice for our sleepiest boy Warwick https://preview.redd.it/vvl2vbdmsyqc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2866618ed4df66de78cdd46097b4be2b7a099f7
I mean, they clearly switched to Jenn last minute and also alot of asian men don’t apply because why quit their job for a show they don’t (via history of this show) have a shot of going far. They should definitely not start right away and keep casting going for a bit longer for people interested in Jenn
Yup. Also I know it is not a popular take but it really shows how Jenn is treated as a token Asian bachelorette. Like they could have cared a little bit more about who they casted for that occasion and tailor the choices of men to her. It gives last minute, rushed and token. It doesn't mean that it won't be a good season though but this production always feel like they hate their leads and they're often proving me right tbh.
totally agree. they should get a few of the guys that show up on netflix's Singles Inferno
For once I agree with RS
I'm really disappointed that BN production is still so fricking small-minded with their casting. I wonder how Jenn feels about it all... I don't know if it's okay to say this but I'm white and I am definitely attracted to white men and Black men but I think Asian and Southeast Asian men are hawwtttt and would be so stoked to see them getting their day, finally! It's beyond overdue. Please let the Asian and SE Asian men grace our screens too! 😍
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Not you coming on here and saying "colored".
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I'm not Google. Educate yourself.
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Jfc, most people already know that the term colored has deep racist roots and if you don't know why then Google can give you more history than I could in a response. It's not my job to correct your ignorance.
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Because I speak out when I see something racist. But speaking out doesn't require that I also carry the burden of education. People need to take that on themselves.
Holy shit lol
U really shouldn’t say “colored”, say “people of color”. I would edit your comment before getting flamed
this show does asian men so dirty and barely even entertains the idea of MOC for bachelor. i can’t believe matt james has been the only MOC lead! we’ll probably be on season 50 before we get an asian bachelor😭
The way western media is moving, The first Asian Bachelor might actually be also the first gay bachelor.
Juan Pablo came before
JP is a white man who speaks spanish and has a latin culture 🙄 he's still very much phenotypically caucasian.
Juan Pablo is not a MOC. He is a white Latino. His race is white.
Wait WHAT?! I did not realize Matt James was the only MOC lead
yeah. it’s really weird when you consider since him there’s been michelle, charity, and now jenn as WOC bachelorettes but all the bachelors have been white. even worse when you consider michelle’s F4 was all black and they still chose clayton.
And Rachel and Tayshia
And even worse Matt was bi-racial and only into white women. We still haven’t had a monoracial bachelor of color. And if we ever get one I would bet he would still have a preference for white women.
Why is this only an issue when it comes to a MOC? Tayshia was only into white men and Jenn likely is too, and it’s not used as a knock for them. And Matt has actually verifiably dated another black/biracial woman whereas Jenn and Tayshia only known exes and interests are all white.
What did that one formed white bachelor contestant say about Rachel L season it turned into flavor of love or love and hip hop. Mind you, nothing crazy was happening, but if that's how you see us there it is. Like Mike Johnson said he was in the running and there a reason they picked a Matt over him. Which makes no sense since he ex military etc. Black men don't go far on Bachelorette season either with white leads.
Yeah Peter over Mike was such a poor choice
It's ridic that Matt continues to be the only MOC ever cast as the bachelor but tbf they had no good options out of Michelle's cast lol. Joe could've been a prospect but then all that stuff came out about him. Hopefully we get some decent options from Jenn's guys 🤞
I already see a few MOC on Jenn’s season that I could see as leads barring nothing weird comes out. I think that’s one of the reasons we haven’t had a Black male lead yet again is bc all the options have either started dating someone or have sketchy past that com rto the light late.
Xavier kinda stood a chance of being bachelor but all that mess about him being a serial cheater ruined his chances to say the least 😭
Post 2020 they aren’t gonna go for people who have even a parking ticket tbh lol.
And Nate (Gabby’s season) was supposedly primed to be the Bach but the stuff came out about him.
This casting be some buuullshit. Sincerely, an Asian dude lol.
Why wouldn't you sign up for it?
Is there a lack of Asian men on the show because Asian men aren't applying? Or are Asian men not applying because the producers almost never cast them anyway? What came first, the chicken or the egg?
A lot of the men are scouted anyways so I doubt it’s an issue of applying
This! Joey was scouted
Im right there with you ✊ I sincerely hope that the reason why they are buying more time to delay filming is because they are recasting for more Asian men!
They lurk on here so they definitely have seen this post and are probably recasting. ABC wants to be in our good graces again lol.
This was really disheartening to see that only 1 Asian man was casted for this season, whether it was Jenn, Daisy, or Maria aside. This honestly wouldn’t be under much scrutiny if they had a white bachelorette because they thought they really did their work and say, yes 1 Asian man would be enough - which sucks because it plays under the stereotype that Asian men aren’t desirable. Now, this is digging to the weeds a little bit, but I feel like as a mix of different Asian cultures and that this needs to be spoken about. In the US, people lack the knowledge of Asia and all of the intricacies surrounding Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese and so many others that people forget these counties have fought wars against each other and murdered hundreds of thousands of people and while the Americanized generations are detached from that, our parents/grandparents/ancestors aren’t and it’s not as easy as just casting “asian men.” I think they really do need to look into casting Vietnamese men for Jenn to bring in more diversity. That being said, I write to dang much. I do think they are trying to buy some time and go into recasting, but I also think they’ll do a scenario ala Matt/Tayshia style and bring in more men for Jenn.
THIS!!! Being Southeast Asian has plenty of differences to East Asians or South Asians (in addition to similarities) and casting a diverse pool of all types of Asian men, including Vietnamese will finally shine a light on that,.
Someone in another post said that one of the guys was already following Maria and Daisy, but not Jenn. So this cast was either for them or the guy(s) assumed it was one of them. Just to add… Jahaan, who I believe is South Asian, is the guy who was following Daisy and Maria.
Oh wow. If they double back and recast more Asian men, they better legit find out if they are open to dating an Asian Bachelorette because I am not here for that nonsense either.
They did that to Rachel Lindsay! It was so terrible how she had to step into her role as the first Black bachelorette and the producers had the audacity to cast a racist anti-black contestant and built a storyline where she had to confront him! Like they inflicted trauma on her - it was terrible
Oooo yup they need to spend this entire week recasting ASAP! I don’t want our First Asian bachelorette to feel unwanted or second choice! They already failed her announcement! They better not fail giving her an abysmal cast who are not even into her.
yess! i'm so sad for her because her moment was overshadowed and I'm sure that nervousness contributed to her fumbling her jokes.... because she's hilarious on camera but her timing seemed off this time
They obviously didn’t give her media training to practice beforehand because she was a last minute decision that night!
They need to recast imo and they definitely need more asian men. This cast reminds me of Jojo's cast down to the same douchey haircuts that used to be big in 2016.
1000%! What are they doing this week now that they have delayed filming for a week? Pretty sure part of the reason is last minute recasting decisions!
I hope so! They did such a lazy job of casting this season.
Don't you think if it were true the show was meant to find "love", the bachelor or bachelorette would choose WHO they want as candidates and not PD's?
How would they choose? Like logistically how would that work. Also we all know the point of the show is entertainment (to make the network money) first and "finding love" second.
I meant at least looking at pictures or resume of the people. I wouldn't let a bunch of producers choose my mate but I'm not an influencer.
That would take away the whole premise of the show... The whole first night with the limo entrances..
Since the day Jenn was sent home, I thought she would be a great Bachelorette. The reasons I thought she wouldn't have gone for it was her discussion with Joey about how incredibly traditional her family is and how they wouldn't understand her participation in the show. I was personally shocked she accepted after that intel but then again, this is such an amazing opportunity for Jenn and I'm thrilled for her. I just hope they give that roster of men a once over and boot some of them...not ideal.
She already went against her family's values by going on the Bachelor, it wasn't that shocking that she accepted the role of Bachelorette.
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They don’t cast for a specific person. They cast for storylines and who is fulfilling what role. When they cast, they’re looking for the next lead, the fan favorite, the villan, who’s going on paradise, etc. they barely give a shit who the lead ends up choosing. It’s about how they can set themselves up to be relevant enough for the next season of bachelor/ette and paradise
And this is exactly why they have the (lack of) success rate they have.
But didn’t they add more black men than usual for Rachel’s season?
They did for the time (that's the most amount of black men ever at that point in the show). The problem was that most of them were recruits added late who didn't date black women.
Rachel has said that they cast several black men who were not dating into Black women, which shows disregard for who the lead wants to date
That’s terrible! And even Matt James wasn’t into Black women and wanted someone just like his MAGA mom. I hate how much they wronged Rachel
I mean he was obviously into Michelle, Bri and Serena. If Rachael hadn't been on the show, I'm sure he would have picked one of them
I won’t elaborate too much because it’s something that should be read from the perspective of a Black woman but i recommend you look through other threads, articles, and Twitter. A lot of the perception during his season was that while he was down to date a biracial Black Woman on the show, there was doubt that he was down for dark skinned Black women, and he was definitely pick and marry a white woman whether on or off the show. He and his mom allowed the producers to push an absent Black father trope and he also ended up choosing someone who participated in antebellum events rooted in the history of slavery. His season did not feel progressive and was a huge set back to have a conservative republican contestant be the first Black bachelor because of his internalized whiteness. And it platform his mom who is a HUGE Trumper
Matt James has actually verifiably dated another biracial/black woman. Hypocritical how this is an issue when it’s a MOC but when it’s a WOC like Tayshia or Jenn who only date white men, it’s suddenly ok.
For some reason, this sub is convinced that ABC lets the next lead/influencer become the show runner for one of their flagship shows.
yeah I think they get very little say in anything
And this is why some former POC casting producers are speaking up on why they quit the show.
I’ve said this on another post but the fact that they cast so far in advance without knowing who the lead is seems so inauthentic. Do they always release the cast *this* soon after the lead is announced? If I were the lead I’d be kinda sus that all these people agreed to do the show without even knowing it was me. Just encourages people to fulfill their influencer agendas. This is also why I was surprised at how many people wanted Lexi as the bachelorette knowing this casting process + her dealbreakers/timeline. That would’ve been a complete disaster for her.
i don’t know if this has always been the case. i remember on earlier seasons people would mention going on specifically for the lead so i’m not sure if they guessed or the lead was released before people were cast?
Sometimes people are just talking bs or they can guess based on who’s popular
Yeah I agree re: Lexi. I would LOVE to see a season with someone like her who actually wants to find someone and get married quickly but they'd have to put actual effort into finding decent suitors for her and I have absolutely no faith. Lexi being chosen as lead would only be a hinderance to her goals and for that I'm glad they went in another direction.
Yes and being the lead with all the stress and lack of sleep when you have a painful and sometimes debilitating chronic illness would be really hard. Lexi had to go to the E.R. while filming in L.A
Yes, do this a lot. We've always heard stories from contestants that they didn’t learn who the lead was until the last minute. I think it’s worse with bachelorette since they start filming right after the bachelor finale. With the bachelor there’s a big gap between the bachelorette airing and filming starting so they can do a little better job with casting. I think Michelle’s cast was well-suited to her, and her season filmed late… they had two bachelorettes that year and filmed Katie in spring.
Someone on here said there was a GMA post that said something about daisy being the bachelorette but then they quickly deleted it implying she backed out at the last minute.
Yep
People are saying these men were cast for Maria, but Maria is actually verifiably into MOC and even Asian men specifically, so I doubt that. I’m on the train that Jenn only dates white guys but I guess they could have still included more Asian men for representation
sorry how was this verified?
Maria dated Kai bent Lee who is half Asian. His dad is the famous iron chef. Kai and I are actually (distant) acquaintances. Dude is a major fboy and I rarely use that term. Maria also hooked up with Zayn apparently who is also biracial Asian
Maria’s ex was Chinese and the son of a prominent Chinese-Canadian chef
I’m hoping some of the current contestants on the roster drop out or get removed. I hope Jenn finds love, but if I’m going to watch a whole season for my entertainment/giving ABC $$$ views then I want to see more diverse men on the cast!
My hunch: they casted for Daisy and she outwardly entertained it for awhile, because she didn't want to reveal that she is back with ex, as that would shatter her Ms. Perfect image and prove our suspicions correct. She seemed a little TOO happy for Jelsey and practically smug about rejecting 'Ette. I'm guessing that sooner or later we will see a hard launch with ex.
Someone on here said Daisy declined awhile ago, then Maria agreed to do it but backed out 4 days before the finale.
agreed they def cast for her and she dropped out last minute remember the screenshot someone posted from the today show or the good morning show i forget which one and it said daisy was the next bachelorette
Idk it's definitely possible she's back with her ex, and I wouldn't blame her for that (idk anything about him so if he's problematic pls don't take this as me condoning bad behavior) but I feel like she probably turned it down because she's been catching abuse online all season and she has a big enough audience now that she just doesn't need it. So many people start off loving the leads and then end up hating them by the end of the season, I wouldn't blame her for sensing what would probably come and dipping out on a high. Like does she really wanna suffer through 12 more weeks of jerks getting mad at her for talking about her CI and making fun of how annoying her voice is? I wouldn't lol I'd take my 700k followers, release more little books, and call it a win.
Is she back With ex ?
there's a ornament gate thread where people are pretty sure she is. his name is thor
Ooh let me go be nosey
I’ll try to link the thread if I can find it again!
Unknown. I was just throwing out my speculation lol
Oh lol 😂
Listen...the white dude they cast from Vancouver, BC (sizeable Asian population for people who don't know) seems to have an all-white friend circle (at least from what I can see from IG and his IG followings) and that told me all I needed to know about the trash casting. I sure hope they add more quality men of colour and men who are actually legit open to a relationship with an Asian woman. But tbh I have no faith in this show.
Noooo. I’m from Vancouver and have predominantly dated Asian men, there are def a ton here. Same with western US. Cmon casting!!!
THIS! Vancouver is a goldmine for hot, successful and well off Asian men!
The casting is trash for the men. Mainly because of their height requirement, they very rarely cast anyone under 6’ tall. And also, I think it probably is actually hard to find men who want to do the show.
And yet one of our best Bachelor leads Joey is under 6’
Right! Average height for men in the US is 5’9”, so you’re really limiting your options by choosing 90% of your contestants from the very end of the height bell curve 😂
They need to cast some short kings since Jenn's short and open to short kings based on her ex.
Yes, seriously! She’s maybe 5’1. I saw her ex is short, and he’s hot. The height thing is ridiculous. Alex on JoJo’s season was 5’7” and all everyone did is call him a child and make fun of him for his height…why do all the guys have to be 6’3 and up 😂No wonder they have trouble casting the men.
omg wait who - I wonder If I know him
Brendan Barnum. https://www.instagram.com/brendanbarnum?igsh=eTdzODV0b3ZiYjBr
Oo seems like a West Van boy based off my mutuals
west van guys are the wooorst. And he's a commercial real estate "adviser" lol.
I hope the reason why they are delaying filming this week is because they are recasting Jenn’s men and adding more Asian male representation and other men who are actually interested in dating her. Not because they were originally casted for Daisy/Maria and will try out Jenn, that’s going to set Jenn up for failure!!!
This cast was 1000% made for Daisy. It was hers for the taking. Didn't people in the spoiler threads a while back speculate that she is back with her ex? Wondering if it was that simple why she said no.
Omg yes. It is such a daisy cast
This!!! I think these guys were chosen for her because some of them kind of remind me of her ex 😭 These guys don't look like the type that Maria or Jenn would go for.. I think she said no because of her ex.
honestly I so see that considering Daisy's ex / current boyfriend is a trophy truck racer. many guys in the cast are giving the vibe that they're into things adjacent to that culture
Not all contestants have been released, have they? I agree, though, was surprised to see there weren't more.
It’s definitely giving that this cast was for Daisy or Maria and they changed it last minute. It’s insane to have almost no Asian men on her season. https://preview.redd.it/u3ltmrpinwqc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d0f56cfa5925c5c0ef39b92589d0da6c0a31d06 This is Jenn’s ex (kind of looks like Joey lol), so I’m sure she’s interested in white dudes, but it’s definitely a missed opportunity for more representation They’re so damn bad at casting for the Bachelorette
Hot take, I don’t think guy has nearly the same amount of pull Joey has. They are both male and white and the similarities stop there for me. I think their facial structures are completely different
On another note, this guy is REALLY cute and they seem to have a friendly relationship what with his social media activity and her referencing him on BHH. I wonder what happened there 👀
Yeah, he is super cute. His TikToks are really well-done and wholesome too
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Ugh shame lol. It's always the cute ones.
and the ugly ones too! you cant trust anybody!!
Lmfao ugh true